A nice promo. His poetry became plays, and his plays became the magic of his films. This film, though a bit slow and disjointed, is the start, the Rosetta Stone of Cocteau's wonderful films to come in the '40s and '50s.
El miedo es esa daga amarga que nos envuelve al perder el valor de la inocencia, y el surrealismo es la prueba de que esta se descubre con una simple idea arrancada de la imaginacion.
I have the Criterion Collection Orphic Trilogy and would have to say that this was a nice surreal, dreamlike movie. It doesn't make sense the first time you watch it, but after the second time, and reading Jean Cocteau's essay about it, you really appreciate how poetic/artistic it is. Is it the best movie I've seen in my entire life no, but for a 52 minute black and white poetic surrealistic dream I suggest everyone to check it out with an open mind, AKA smoke some fucking WEED before watching
Art produces ugly things which frequently become more beautiful with time. Fashion, on the other hand, produces beautiful things which always become ugly with time. -Jean Cocteau-
the painting factory in other words. (They should name, Warhole factory). Painters(many Bob Ross were sitting there producing modern interrior paintings). I said, "I wouldn't even bother to hang my own paintings. Why would I paint and force people hang ... Martha Stewart products?" The owner of the studio got offended. "painter is painter" he said.
" La peinture est un art, et l'art dans son ensemble n'est pas une création sans but qui s'écoule dans le vide. C'est une puissance dont le but doit être de développer et d'améliorer l'âme humaine."
It all depends upon your objective. Many artists hide themselves away and their works are only viewed by family and friends and perhaps discarded when they die. If they are happy with this then that is good . Doing what one likes to do (enjoying) and exposing it to "the world" is an alternative . The latter will get some hostile reactions because so many see his/her work and so that artist must be firm in his/her convictions .
bTW as I said I am playing waltz in Faust...very cheerful...
I do know Mag illustr s. who are discribing thier spirit...I am far beyond those ability. just admiring.
They don't need to be called commercial artist...kkkkk I told u, I did costmatic containers and gondora design for the machinshop...that's commercial art...
what an issult to put this doctor x shiser over the original. the music from the original is one of the best things about the movie. this is criminal. cocteau never would have stood for this. see the original.
The film isn't pretentious, it isn't for shocks or attention, it was merely somebody doing their best to make a film about what some "artists" encounter in their creative process, what the mind does to "create art", if you want to call it that. It astonished me in its loyalty to that. The movie is not art unless you think it's art, but at the core it is merely what the creative process can look like to the person it happens to.
the entire point of art is to push the boundaries of previous art movements and revise it to reflect contemporary societal issues. cocteau does an amazing job of creating a piece of avant-garde film which tackles the disillusion of society after the first world war. if you pay attention to the film, pick out the symbolism and do a little bit of research it will make more sense. there are many different facets to art, don't limit your understanding of what art is because it's difficult.
Isn't that what you are doing? Trying to be different and pretending you have a divine insight into artistic talent? I don't know what playground you just stepped off, but in the real world arguments require just a little bit more than "it's crap because it just is" or "anyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot".
It's ignorant of you to act as the official arbiter of what is great art and what isn't. Besides, how can you even judge film and filmmaking with examples of static art? We're talking film here and you bring up Piss Christ. I don't think you really have any understanding of filmmaking. There's an entire catalog of films whose purpose is experimenting with the possibilities of film.
My point is that that is what experimental film is. Some experimental filmmakers deal with non-narrative ideas, whilst others (a significant amount) deal with the exploration of colour and shape and light and motion. Similarly Cocteau is experimenting with the illusions that can be created in film and a certain experience he hopes to elicit in his viewers.
irp.: "I'm sure even you'll agree that if we call dada/etc art, it's art on an infinitely inferior level than Polycleitus and co."
No, I don't agree. I agree that there are people who have nothing to say in their "art" and who do not understand the fundamentals of art and its purpose, but I don't agree that when a true artist displays his world view in his chosen form that it can be measured on a scale of excellence based on his chosen method.
sest: "I don't agree that when a true artist displays his world view in his chosen form that it can be measured on a scale of excellence based on his chosen method."
How wonderfully meaningless: so twisted bits of metal, urinals, etc. all amount to art, so long as they're an expression of the artist's "world view"?
irp.: "How wonderfully meaningless: so twisted bits of metal, urinals, etc. all amount to art, so long as they're an expression of the artist's "world view"?"
Yes. Take Piss Christ for example. That's sending a statement about the artist's world view. It's communicating his disdain for organised religion or Christianity in particular.
sestsa: "That's sending a statement about the artist's world view."
Hmm..but that still isn't the standard of art or aesthetics, is it?
And if it is, it goes back to the continuum again: a kindergartner's "art" (or 'world view' as you'd have it) is art on an infinitely inferior scale to any work by Phidias. And since the talent, aesthetic quality, etc. are about equal in the kindergartner's and (say) Pollock's, the latter's work is, unfortunately, meaningless.
"Kindergarten art" (as you'd have it) is exactly what you are talking about. You are describing art made in a vacuum. You are kidding yourself if you think any of the artists you have listed do not attempt to relay a worldview through their art. Even architecture does this. Take the Matrix for example. The whole film is about Pantheism and it can be seen in every aspect of the film. No intelligent or great artist just did something because it looked cool.
rick: "You are kidding yourself if you think any of the artists you have listed do not attempt to relay a worldview through their art."
I guess the example went over your head: if "relaying a world view" is the standard of art, then a kindergartner who expresses "his world view" is an artist like none other.
"did something because it looked cool"
You lost me, I'm sorry. The discussion was about the qualifications of aesthetics (art) and how Kandinski and Schoenberg weren't artists.
rick: "You are kidding yourself if you think any of the artists you have listed do not attempt to relay a worldview through their art."
I guess the example went over your head: if "relaying a world view" is the standard of art, then a kindergartner who expresses "his world view" is an artist like none other.
"did something because it looked cool"
You lost me, I'm sorry. The discussion was about the qualifications of aesthetics (art) and how Kandinski and Schoenberg weren't artists.
Art is, simply and solely, about aesthetic creation. Cubism, symbolism, etc. rarely have any type of pleasing, pleasant or exciting 'aesthetic quality'.
It's the distinction between Schoenberg and Mendelssohn, all over again. -- Structured noise is just noise, and the same applies to art in painting, film or sculpture.
rick: "Do you actually believe what you are saying?"
Ah yes, because no one can truly believe anything that you, yourself, do not.
Amazing.
"forced upon you in art school"
Nah. If you look through the posts, you'll see the discussion is about skill, talent, etc. in creating actual art. If we consider Cocteau or Pollock art, it's art on an infinitely inferior level than Polycleitus and da Vinci.
Not to mention, most art schools push mordernism down your throats.
rick: "Do you actually believe what you are saying?"
Ah yes, because no one can truly believe anything that you, yourself, do not.
Amazing.
"forced upon you in art school"
Nah. If you look through the posts, you'll see the discussion is about skill, talent, etc. in creating actual art. If we consider Cocteau or Pollock art, it's art on an infinitely inferior level than Polycleitus and da Vinci.
Not to mention, most art schools seem to push mordernism down your throat.
Ah, right, and the shock effect is what determines skill and abilities? In that case I guess Hitler's romp through genocide and Stalin's purges should be considered the greatest art of all time, eh?
No ma'am. This is not art. Weird for the sake of weird is *gasp* attention whoring.
have you watched the film in full, its a given that they are going to show the wierdest shots in the trailer and you can't judge a film from 1.05 minites of it
Take a look at this, just one screen, and compare it to a Barocci. You'll see the disparity between the two. Unless, of course, you're the type of buffoon who is impressed by colored blocks and paint spatters, while the subtler details of genius escape you.
Man i love movies like these.The soundtrack on this trailer is awesome.
rockking05 1 month ago
Jean le Grec........ viva Cocteau.....
vasiloukos 3 months ago
i think this influenced eraser head some what.
SmokerTrain420 4 months ago 3
A nice promo. His poetry became plays, and his plays became the magic of his films. This film, though a bit slow and disjointed, is the start, the Rosetta Stone of Cocteau's wonderful films to come in the '40s and '50s.
jlovebirch 1 year ago
Very good
rgsoundf 1 year ago
It's a pretty interesting movie. Unfortunately completely in French which I don't understand.
Farvayon 1 year ago
El miedo es esa daga amarga que nos envuelve al perder el valor de la inocencia, y el surrealismo es la prueba de que esta se descubre con una simple idea arrancada de la imaginacion.
spiketpunk 1 year ago 8
@spiketpunk me encanta lo que as dicho
reinier84 11 months ago
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was it a good movie??
fusionelements 1 year ago
Intéressant!
RICPOIRIER1 1 year ago
Beautiful.
e5city 1 year ago
I have the Criterion Collection Orphic Trilogy and would have to say that this was a nice surreal, dreamlike movie. It doesn't make sense the first time you watch it, but after the second time, and reading Jean Cocteau's essay about it, you really appreciate how poetic/artistic it is. Is it the best movie I've seen in my entire life no, but for a 52 minute black and white poetic surrealistic dream I suggest everyone to check it out with an open mind, AKA smoke some fucking WEED before watching
fernandoiscrazy 1 year ago
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macedoisraelunam 2 years ago
The new soundtrack fits very,very well!
TheSpandragon 2 years ago
Art produces ugly things which frequently become more beautiful with time. Fashion, on the other hand, produces beautiful things which always become ugly with time. -Jean Cocteau-
Le plus grand poète. I admire.
SHINYamAHA21 2 years ago
Jean Cocteau >>
"La mode meurt jeune. c'est ce qui fait sa légèreté si grave. "
"Courir plus vite que la beauté."
Westonelm 2 years ago
I was once invited to a painting studio,.
the painting factory in other words. (They should name, Warhole factory). Painters(many Bob Ross were sitting there producing modern interrior paintings). I said, "I wouldn't even bother to hang my own paintings. Why would I paint and force people hang ... Martha Stewart products?" The owner of the studio got offended. "painter is painter" he said.
"I am not a painter, I do art." I said.
SHINYamAHA21 2 years ago
Beauty has the limit,
Artist would look for the limit?
Neil: I told you, the day I decided selling my paintings....I died.
no offense.
SHINYamAHA21 2 years ago
Wassily Kandinsky>>.
" La peinture est un art, et l'art dans son ensemble n'est pas une création sans but qui s'écoule dans le vide. C'est une puissance dont le but doit être de développer et d'améliorer l'âme humaine."
Westonelm 2 years ago
OMG...U, talking about Kandinsky...come on...I don't get along with Kandinsky.
His paintings are special...yes...
His words, I don't buy.
SHINYamAHA21 2 years ago
SHINYamAHA21,
It all depends upon your objective. Many artists hide themselves away and their works are only viewed by family and friends and perhaps discarded when they die. If they are happy with this then that is good . Doing what one likes to do (enjoying) and exposing it to "the world" is an alternative . The latter will get some hostile reactions because so many see his/her work and so that artist must be firm in his/her convictions .
Westonelm 2 years ago
You are talking about social manner for being an Artist?
Earth talk.
Your consideration for me is highly accepted...as always.
I don't hide. hiding is for children and coward adults.
There's no before, now or later.
Time sequense is set for the convinience for the system.
Art has time limit, Doing Art has timeless.
convictions?
commercial...
cordinated, corporated...argh...I dislike c words...2008 I finished 10c words, remember?
SHINYamAHA21 2 years ago
SHINYamAHA21
Believe me . commercial artists do have thoughts and channel them quickly.
They have to focus quickly or they might not eat.
A deadline means discipline and sometimes a fight.
Very many of the old masters were commercial artists!
I wasn't being personal.
There are many "artists" who are very happy to isolate themselves and are sometimes considered as geniuses after they die. (Van Gogh etc etc etc).
Westonelm 2 years ago
N, after they die...ouuuhhhhoooo
Convince me.
bTW as I said I am playing waltz in Faust...very cheerful...
I do know Mag illustr s. who are discribing thier spirit...I am far beyond those ability. just admiring.
They don't need to be called commercial artist...kkkkk I told u, I did costmatic containers and gondora design for the machinshop...that's commercial art...
SHINYamAHA21 2 years ago
SHINYamAHA21,
A commercial artist has to be dynamic because that artist has a deadline to meet.
In such a situation that artist is pushed forward because there is no time for lethargy or indecision; He/she just does it.
There is too much talk about the artist with a big "A" (for arrogance).
Humility is important too.
Westonelm 2 years ago
N, I am one of those also who has a thoughts not an excuse....
still what artist do it has thoughts in it, right? u mean deadline?....hmmm
I mean timeless...in thoughts.
We are talking about different subject and u are being little bit personal? perhaps...
Thus I don't talk about artist with big A.
I am not even an Artist...people just call me for their convinience.
SHINYamAHA21 2 years ago
bloody poetic!
TheOrlando1892 2 years ago
It's a work of a Genius! Where can I buy this new Version with soundtrack by Doctor X ???
LuckyTobiMerlin 2 years ago
ahaha what the fuck was that?
Alienacionglobal 2 years ago
Cool vid 5*'s
AnnuitCoeptisInferis 3 years ago
WOW, amazing art.
Bluesage2009 3 years ago
what an issult to put this doctor x shiser over the original. the music from the original is one of the best things about the movie. this is criminal. cocteau never would have stood for this. see the original.
newproject555 4 years ago
oh lighten up...
seintzeit 4 years ago
its so cool and so creepy!!!
RonnieOfTheEarth 4 years ago
AWESOM!! I love his work.
RonnieOfTheEarth 4 years ago
Cocteau was a genius. One of the earliest poetic surrealist filmmakers. He kew how to experiment with movies yet provoke moods & emotions
wigginsdesign 4 years ago
The film isn't pretentious, it isn't for shocks or attention, it was merely somebody doing their best to make a film about what some "artists" encounter in their creative process, what the mind does to "create art", if you want to call it that. It astonished me in its loyalty to that. The movie is not art unless you think it's art, but at the core it is merely what the creative process can look like to the person it happens to.
LoveandMusic 4 years ago
this doctor x bollocks makes it seem pretentious. what a disgrace.
newproject555 4 years ago
This clip is great, hard to understand but that just makes it beautiful.
carloslealogica 5 years ago
yeah cocteau rules. I just watched this and loved it. Beauty and the beast is also dynamite - gotta check out the rest of the orphic trilogy - stat!
400millionbillion 5 years ago
the entire point of art is to push the boundaries of previous art movements and revise it to reflect contemporary societal issues. cocteau does an amazing job of creating a piece of avant-garde film which tackles the disillusion of society after the first world war. if you pay attention to the film, pick out the symbolism and do a little bit of research it will make more sense. there are many different facets to art, don't limit your understanding of what art is because it's difficult.
amarose 5 years ago
amarose: "don't limit your understanding of what art is because it's difficult."
And don't limit yours because you want to be different, or pretend you have a divine insight into artistic talent.
irpwny 4 years ago
Isn't that what you are doing? Trying to be different and pretending you have a divine insight into artistic talent? I don't know what playground you just stepped off, but in the real world arguments require just a little bit more than "it's crap because it just is" or "anyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot".
sestsa 4 years ago
sestsa: "real world arguments require just a little bit more than "it's crap because it just is"
Not quite: there's a keen, but subtle difference between sarcastic ad hominems and actual arguments.
"Isn't that.. etc."
Nah, it's pointing out the obvious: today what's "artsy" and "cool" is whatever is "outside the norm."
Art has ceased to be about talent and beauty, and instead about how offensive or purposeless something can be.
Remember Piss Christ, Kandinsky's Nude, color field, and so on?
irpwny 4 years ago
It's ignorant of you to act as the official arbiter of what is great art and what isn't. Besides, how can you even judge film and filmmaking with examples of static art? We're talking film here and you bring up Piss Christ. I don't think you really have any understanding of filmmaking. There's an entire catalog of films whose purpose is experimenting with the possibilities of film.
sestsa 4 years ago
ses: "talking film here and you bring up Piss Christ"
We're talking about the qualifications of art, not whether or not it appears in film, painting or as sculpture.
"whose purpose is experimenting with...film"
And your point is what exactly..? Kindergartners experiment with finger painting and eating paste. So?
continued..
irpwny 4 years ago
My point is that that is what experimental film is. Some experimental filmmakers deal with non-narrative ideas, whilst others (a significant amount) deal with the exploration of colour and shape and light and motion. Similarly Cocteau is experimenting with the illusions that can be created in film and a certain experience he hopes to elicit in his viewers.
sestsa 4 years ago
ses: ..continued
"It's ignorant of you to act as the official arbiter of what is great art"
Not quite: everything is scaled, and scale is what we should consider.
I'm sure even you'll agree that if we call dada/etc art, it's art on an infinitely inferior level than Polycleitus and co.
Much like "compositions" by Sepultura, compared to those of Mahler or Berlioz.
irpwny 4 years ago
irp.: "I'm sure even you'll agree that if we call dada/etc art, it's art on an infinitely inferior level than Polycleitus and co."
No, I don't agree. I agree that there are people who have nothing to say in their "art" and who do not understand the fundamentals of art and its purpose, but I don't agree that when a true artist displays his world view in his chosen form that it can be measured on a scale of excellence based on his chosen method.
sestsa 4 years ago
sest: "I don't agree that when a true artist displays his world view in his chosen form that it can be measured on a scale of excellence based on his chosen method."
How wonderfully meaningless: so twisted bits of metal, urinals, etc. all amount to art, so long as they're an expression of the artist's "world view"?
..continued
irpwny 4 years ago
irp.: "How wonderfully meaningless: so twisted bits of metal, urinals, etc. all amount to art, so long as they're an expression of the artist's "world view"?"
Yes. Take Piss Christ for example. That's sending a statement about the artist's world view. It's communicating his disdain for organised religion or Christianity in particular.
sestsa 4 years ago
sestsa: "That's sending a statement about the artist's world view."
Hmm..but that still isn't the standard of art or aesthetics, is it?
And if it is, it goes back to the continuum again: a kindergartner's "art" (or 'world view' as you'd have it) is art on an infinitely inferior scale to any work by Phidias. And since the talent, aesthetic quality, etc. are about equal in the kindergartner's and (say) Pollock's, the latter's work is, unfortunately, meaningless.
ta ta! :)
irpwny 4 years ago
Dude, you are truly lost.
"Kindergarten art" (as you'd have it) is exactly what you are talking about. You are describing art made in a vacuum. You are kidding yourself if you think any of the artists you have listed do not attempt to relay a worldview through their art. Even architecture does this. Take the Matrix for example. The whole film is about Pantheism and it can be seen in every aspect of the film. No intelligent or great artist just did something because it looked cool.
RickSala 4 years ago
rick: "You are kidding yourself if you think any of the artists you have listed do not attempt to relay a worldview through their art."
I guess the example went over your head: if "relaying a world view" is the standard of art, then a kindergartner who expresses "his world view" is an artist like none other.
"did something because it looked cool"
You lost me, I'm sorry. The discussion was about the qualifications of aesthetics (art) and how Kandinski and Schoenberg weren't artists.
irpwny 4 years ago
rick: "You are kidding yourself if you think any of the artists you have listed do not attempt to relay a worldview through their art."
I guess the example went over your head: if "relaying a world view" is the standard of art, then a kindergartner who expresses "his world view" is an artist like none other.
"did something because it looked cool"
You lost me, I'm sorry. The discussion was about the qualifications of aesthetics (art) and how Kandinski and Schoenberg weren't artists.
irpwny 4 years ago
sest: continued..
Art is, simply and solely, about aesthetic creation. Cubism, symbolism, etc. rarely have any type of pleasing, pleasant or exciting 'aesthetic quality'.
It's the distinction between Schoenberg and Mendelssohn, all over again. -- Structured noise is just noise, and the same applies to art in painting, film or sculpture.
irpwny 4 years ago
What you are saying is in itself a worldview. One that was most probably forced upon you in art school. Do you actually believe what you are saying?
RickSala 4 years ago
rick: "Do you actually believe what you are saying?"
Ah yes, because no one can truly believe anything that you, yourself, do not.
Amazing.
"forced upon you in art school"
Nah. If you look through the posts, you'll see the discussion is about skill, talent, etc. in creating actual art. If we consider Cocteau or Pollock art, it's art on an infinitely inferior level than Polycleitus and da Vinci.
Not to mention, most art schools push mordernism down your throats.
:)
irpwny 4 years ago
rick: "Do you actually believe what you are saying?"
Ah yes, because no one can truly believe anything that you, yourself, do not.
Amazing.
"forced upon you in art school"
Nah. If you look through the posts, you'll see the discussion is about skill, talent, etc. in creating actual art. If we consider Cocteau or Pollock art, it's art on an infinitely inferior level than Polycleitus and da Vinci.
Not to mention, most art schools seem to push mordernism down your throat.
:)
irpwny 4 years ago
it rules!!!
mistershithead 5 years ago
This is a beautiful and inventive film. My favorite scene has always been the snowball fight.
belacsregor 5 years ago
No. It's not art, it's crap.
It'll never compare to Raphael, da Vinci, Rembrandt, et. al.
irpwny 5 years ago
Who the hell are you to say that.
I like this a whooooooole lot better than anything they've done. Their work bores me. This film left me speechless
snark77 5 years ago
Ah, right, and the shock effect is what determines skill and abilities? In that case I guess Hitler's romp through genocide and Stalin's purges should be considered the greatest art of all time, eh?
No ma'am. This is not art. Weird for the sake of weird is *gasp* attention whoring.
irpwny 5 years ago
Actually about the Hitler Stalin thing I've always thought that.
snark77 5 years ago
have you watched the film in full, its a given that they are going to show the wierdest shots in the trailer and you can't judge a film from 1.05 minites of it
fromdespair2where 4 years ago
fromdespair: "have you watched the film in full"
Unfortunately yes :(
irpwny 4 years ago
Take a look at this, just one screen, and compare it to a Barocci. You'll see the disparity between the two. Unless, of course, you're the type of buffoon who is impressed by colored blocks and paint spatters, while the subtler details of genius escape you.
irpwny 5 years ago
why are you comparing a film to paintings ?
You may as well compare Raphael, da Vinci and Rembrandt to Beethoven, Ballanchine or Shostakovich- it makes no sense.
skullyj2002 3 years ago
skully: "why are you comparing a film to paintings ?
You may as well compare Raphael, da Vinci and Rembrandt to Beethoven"
You're forgetting a couple things: film and art are both represented by visual media. Music is sound.
irpwny 3 years ago
This was supposed to be French symbolist "art" of the 20's and 30's.
It fails miserably.
Putting a bunch of weird crap together only makes a big super piece of crap.
irpwny 5 years ago
thats the point of trance film
jacobbastian 5 years ago