I can't figure out the premise - how can the individual be a creation of imagination? If anything, stating that the individual is NOT a creation of imagination, that it's "part of a greater whole" or somesuch, seems to me to be utterly convulsed and abstract. Men will not stop thinking they are individuals until they start imagining a totality to which they are dependant
Hey Professor I just ordered two books off of your reading list and coincedentally one of them was Hans Jonas's philosophy of biology and of course vygotskys thought and language...thanks for that reading list man reallly.
@Soulfree2008 I am sorry, but you have been deeply mis educated about what money is and does. Money is often turned into a tool of control and power by the politicians, bankers, and elites. But you can't take that as meaning money serves no purpose. As I said before, the reason why the human species is living twice as long as they did in more primitive states, is because of continuous investment, and division of labor. Neither of these would be possible without some form of currency.
@Soulfree2008 I so appreciate your response!!! I agree, this way of living is completely unsustainable... in some countries people are living in sustainable rock and grass houses, stone houses etc that are perfectly beautiful and fine... still modern but sustainable! this should be EVERYWHERE... thanks again for the response, these things should be thoroughly discussed in depth!
This may be off topic, but Carl Jung said: "The larger a society, the greater the amalgamation of collective factors.- which is typical of every large organization - the more aggravated the moral and spiritual degeneration of the individual" So in an age of accelerating over-population, accelerating over-organization and evermore efficient means of mass communication, how can we preserve the integrity and reassert the value of the human individual?
@Soulfree2008 currency is the foundation of any complex economy. Division of labor would never be possible without a general medium of trade. This is the purpose of money. It is no coincidence that money first became prevalent around the same time the same time as the first cities. That doesn't mean money is good under all circumstances, but if it didn't exist, the world population would be drastically less, and most humans would be dieing well before their first gray hair.
in a philosophical sense the zeroth dimension is really all we've got to go on.
but the configuration space of concepts is beyond the pale of the fife: space, time and the virtual machine. is there (or can there be) a sort of vectorization of concerns in the mediasophy? what is troubling is the large constant of the kolmogorov complexity of the program needed to "unpoison" the common carrier...
I still feel we should stress the individual for economics and such. Other things still sound immoral to me. Unless you can prove to me that slavery doesn't exist. Then my head might really explode.
What implications for individualism are you drawing from all of this? So human identity is thickly constituted by socio-historic conditions. Fine, but that doesn't strike me as too surprising. The problem of "how" we're constituted, and the extent of individual choice in enacting that process, seems to me to be the more interesting question. The way you've framed the issue it sounds as if people are in the throes of deterministic structures, without possibility for self-determination.
This video really offended me. I found it disgusting how you idealized hunter/gatherer society, while marginalizing all of the human progress that was made possible through inventions like money, division of labor and agriculture.
@DeraJa No need to be offended. Just because a person has a sympathy for the postion of Rousseau doesn't mean they take it all the way. Money, division of labor, and agriculture are all exellent things. However every pro coincides with a con. Simply emphasizing the cons for the sake of discussion does not mean that the person truly beleives that they outway the pros. If they did they wouldn't be using YouTube.
@invanorm You make a good point and I agree. Progress is never a straight line. There are always shortcomings. But from my perspective, the advantages out weigh any shortcomings by such a large margin, I find it strange to be bringing it up as some sort of ideal or in a positive light. I may have been over reacting. BTW, there are green anarchists/ anarcho-primitivist youtubers. (people who oppose "civilization").
[cont.] So yes, I too would say that the individual does never transcend its body. It is WITH its body and acts THROUGH its body, BY its body. The effects of these actions then transcend the body.
Without those distincions one would end up in all sorts of paradoxes.
Where and when is the individual? Its WITH your body from birth to death. That the individual interacts with environment through its body, does not make it less an individual. A part does not seize to be a part just because it effects the whole or is effected by it in return. An engine stays an individual engine, no matter how many people hear it roar.
And you do not leave your room just because electronic signals are send BY you through the world. "I am on youtube" is just a figure of speach.
From my understanding, inter-dependency and inter-subjectivity describe dependency AND independency. Throughout the first portion of the video (didn't have time to watch the last eight minutes), I agree with your depictions of this on a material level; however, I can see how one can oversimplify your arguments about our co-conditioned existence in regards to the social/psychological level (thus making it a kind of fatalism). So, I can see where the hostility comes from in that respect.
’crucial cognitive capacities are initially social and interactional and are only later understood in private or representational terms’
’our common knowledge and perception of ourselves as knowers of meaningful facts depend upon, and grows from, our innate capacity for intersubjectivity’
- these passages are form a book titled: The Shared Mind: Perspectives on Intersubjectivity (2008)
Well I for one enjoy my introvertedness, rather than have people try and force me to be part of geminschaft society where I have no privacy, and have people sticking their nose into my business.
However, I see waht you mean with the sence that everything is in fact matter and energy trafficing with eachother. When I see the image of you on the screen I not only see it, it literaly enters my body through my eyes in the form of light, where it is converted into neuronic signals, so in a sense a part of your thoughts has merged with mine. Hower I liek to think myself as the stuff of my brain, the corridors of my neurons, if you will
This guy is overstating the obvious.
dutytocareforothers 10 months ago
Professor Anton, are you familiar with Julian Jaynes' The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind?
sar1906 1 year ago
I can't figure out the premise - how can the individual be a creation of imagination? If anything, stating that the individual is NOT a creation of imagination, that it's "part of a greater whole" or somesuch, seems to me to be utterly convulsed and abstract. Men will not stop thinking they are individuals until they start imagining a totality to which they are dependant
87Julius 1 year ago
i listen to your videos just so i can learn to be a better communicator. thank you.
andrewzot 1 year ago
Hey Professor I just ordered two books off of your reading list and coincedentally one of them was Hans Jonas's philosophy of biology and of course vygotskys thought and language...thanks for that reading list man reallly.
f1ghtclub2k3 1 year ago
q.v. Roger Waters "Me or Him"
winkfreud 1 year ago
SMILES FROM THE SUN SHON!
TRANSACTSHON!
AND
GLORIFICASHON!
LOVE LIGHT AND
PEACE!PEACE!
PEACE!
thesunshon 1 year ago
@Soulfree2008 I am sorry, but you have been deeply mis educated about what money is and does. Money is often turned into a tool of control and power by the politicians, bankers, and elites. But you can't take that as meaning money serves no purpose. As I said before, the reason why the human species is living twice as long as they did in more primitive states, is because of continuous investment, and division of labor. Neither of these would be possible without some form of currency.
DeraJa 1 year ago
@DeraJa The development of money is as crucial of an event in human history as the advent of agriculture.
DeraJa 1 year ago
@Soulfree2008 I so appreciate your response!!! I agree, this way of living is completely unsustainable... in some countries people are living in sustainable rock and grass houses, stone houses etc that are perfectly beautiful and fine... still modern but sustainable! this should be EVERYWHERE... thanks again for the response, these things should be thoroughly discussed in depth!
TheWandgirl 1 year ago
Professor... Along the lines of technology... Please watch this video:
1 MILLION pounds of Food on 3 acres. 10,000 fish 500 yards compost
watch?v=jV9CCxdkOng
Then think about it logically... Do you see what I see? If everyone did this... We would be self sufficient individuals.
batfly 1 year ago
UP YOUR NOSE WITH A RUBBER HOSE!
xXChrisHATEXx5 1 year ago
This may be off topic, but Carl Jung said: "The larger a society, the greater the amalgamation of collective factors.- which is typical of every large organization - the more aggravated the moral and spiritual degeneration of the individual" So in an age of accelerating over-population, accelerating over-organization and evermore efficient means of mass communication, how can we preserve the integrity and reassert the value of the human individual?
HigherPlanes 1 year ago
@Soulfree2008 currency is the foundation of any complex economy. Division of labor would never be possible without a general medium of trade. This is the purpose of money. It is no coincidence that money first became prevalent around the same time the same time as the first cities. That doesn't mean money is good under all circumstances, but if it didn't exist, the world population would be drastically less, and most humans would be dieing well before their first gray hair.
DeraJa 1 year ago
atm, i'm combinator executing my transactions... die, you, filthy transcendant, die!
in a philosophical sense the zeroth dimension is really all we've got to go on.
but the configuration space of concepts is beyond the pale of the fife: space, time and the virtual machine. is there (or can there be) a sort of vectorization of concerns in the mediasophy? what is troubling is the large constant of the kolmogorov complexity of the program needed to "unpoison" the common carrier...
jogayot 1 year ago
wow the last 2 mins blew my mind
I still feel we should stress the individual for economics and such. Other things still sound immoral to me. Unless you can prove to me that slavery doesn't exist. Then my head might really explode.
MirageScience 1 year ago 3
Now, every time someone mentions individuality, I'm going to think of the pen.
JimHisself 1 year ago
i'm wondering why humans are so isolated in a system that is so far away from nature. seriously why?
TheWandgirl 1 year ago
Totally random question, but have you made any videos on Ken Wilber?
poetswolf1985 1 year ago
What implications for individualism are you drawing from all of this? So human identity is thickly constituted by socio-historic conditions. Fine, but that doesn't strike me as too surprising. The problem of "how" we're constituted, and the extent of individual choice in enacting that process, seems to me to be the more interesting question. The way you've framed the issue it sounds as if people are in the throes of deterministic structures, without possibility for self-determination.
TRAGlCHERO 1 year ago
This video really offended me. I found it disgusting how you idealized hunter/gatherer society, while marginalizing all of the human progress that was made possible through inventions like money, division of labor and agriculture.
DeraJa 1 year ago
@DeraJa would you like a hug?
TheMindPhenomenon 1 year ago 2
@DeraJa No need to be offended. Just because a person has a sympathy for the postion of Rousseau doesn't mean they take it all the way. Money, division of labor, and agriculture are all exellent things. However every pro coincides with a con. Simply emphasizing the cons for the sake of discussion does not mean that the person truly beleives that they outway the pros. If they did they wouldn't be using YouTube.
invanorm 1 year ago
@invanorm You make a good point and I agree. Progress is never a straight line. There are always shortcomings. But from my perspective, the advantages out weigh any shortcomings by such a large margin, I find it strange to be bringing it up as some sort of ideal or in a positive light. I may have been over reacting. BTW, there are green anarchists/ anarcho-primitivist youtubers. (people who oppose "civilization").
DeraJa 1 year ago
Interesting video.
pgm98387 1 year ago
good video
yoseph89 1 year ago
check out this TED talk from sebastian seung about brain identity its pretty cool /watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
Retlaww 1 year ago
If we need evidence of the harm of closed systems look at human civilizations that close themselves off, and the genetic diseases that come from it.
jaymurtii 1 year ago
@jaymurtii are you referring to the indigenous?
yoseph89 1 year ago
@yoseph89 Quakers, early mormons
jaymurtii 1 year ago
[cont.] So yes, I too would say that the individual does never transcend its body. It is WITH its body and acts THROUGH its body, BY its body. The effects of these actions then transcend the body.
Without those distincions one would end up in all sorts of paradoxes.
13otany13ay 1 year ago
Where and when is the individual? Its WITH your body from birth to death. That the individual interacts with environment through its body, does not make it less an individual. A part does not seize to be a part just because it effects the whole or is effected by it in return. An engine stays an individual engine, no matter how many people hear it roar.
And you do not leave your room just because electronic signals are send BY you through the world. "I am on youtube" is just a figure of speach.
13otany13ay 1 year ago
GOD GENE! COREY!
SMILES FROM THE SUN!
PEACE!LOVE!LIGHT!
SHON!
thesunshon 1 year ago
From my understanding, inter-dependency and inter-subjectivity describe dependency AND independency. Throughout the first portion of the video (didn't have time to watch the last eight minutes), I agree with your depictions of this on a material level; however, I can see how one can oversimplify your arguments about our co-conditioned existence in regards to the social/psychological level (thus making it a kind of fatalism). So, I can see where the hostility comes from in that respect.
TheWhiteSquirel 1 year ago
’crucial cognitive capacities are initially social and interactional and are only later understood in private or representational terms’
’our common knowledge and perception of ourselves as knowers of meaningful facts depend upon, and grows from, our innate capacity for intersubjectivity’
- these passages are form a book titled: The Shared Mind: Perspectives on Intersubjectivity (2008)
almafarag 1 year ago
Well I for one enjoy my introvertedness, rather than have people try and force me to be part of geminschaft society where I have no privacy, and have people sticking their nose into my business.
Trancemutator 1 year ago
However, I see waht you mean with the sence that everything is in fact matter and energy trafficing with eachother. When I see the image of you on the screen I not only see it, it literaly enters my body through my eyes in the form of light, where it is converted into neuronic signals, so in a sense a part of your thoughts has merged with mine. Hower I liek to think myself as the stuff of my brain, the corridors of my neurons, if you will
Retlaww 1 year ago
I am my own thoughts
Retlaww 1 year ago 24
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@Retlaww no you are not, you are just the observer..
VanDammage14 1 year ago