i have a question :) that came to me when playing Star Trek Legacy. In Star Trek the motion picture voyager comes home all tuned up with an ai searching for it's creator and later merges with a human :) Is that the begining of the borg ?
As far as people complaining about the Drones' stupidity/weakness to primitive tech, you have to think that they are not probably not connected to the Collective as it existed in Archer's time. Basically they are a Collective unto themselves, without a Queen mind to focus their thoughts with absolute precision. That makes them limited in what they can accomplish in terms of adapting technology to their use and adapting to attacks.
Funny you say that because in Enterprise. Malcolm always found ways to bypass their shield hermonics with his phase pistol. Whereas in the late 2360s Picard still can't get through their shields....funny how that turrns out eh.
man this is painful to watch, berman &braga trashed trek over and over....the borg WERE considered great enemies, but garbage like this really makes them into annoying pushovers. I hope those guys never get their talentless hands on trek again!!! >:[
I always thought the premise of borgs being invulnerable/resistant to phaser fire silly. Not so much the phasers itself, but Assuming they were also invulnerable/resistant to other weapons like freeze rays, explosives, impact, and fire, it wouldn't make any sense. If they weren't resistant to that, then it would be pretty easy to use those weapons vs borg instead of silly phasers (which would use ridiculously more power and space than any other weapon possible)
@Sismiques If you used guns that have bullets? the bullets would of just bounced off their shields and then come at you still smiling. In First Contact, when picard used that gun on the holodeck, they were not using their shield hermonics.....its soo fuckin strange because borg always put them on if they see the enemy as a threat and Picard did that.
LOL! its called a Bat'leth. No they didn't have their shields on when worf attacked them. They didn't see them as a major threat, so they send 2 drones to stop them from letting them detatch the deflector dish. Watch it and understand why and how the borg attacks. Are you sure you watched TNG before?
@Sismiques For fucksake! look at best of both worlds. Did the borg attack the away team as soon as they beamed over? NO. The away team started to sabotage their nodes and thats when the Borg decided to see them as a thread. Fucksake man. Yes it was a bat'leth. Watch it again you dumb fuck.
Umm that explanation would make a closed curcuit... How the hell would the borg find earth the first time and crush the sphere on it when there wasn't anyone to send them coordinates? Weird...
Thats what really bugs me, this made no sense. It is known that Q introduced the Borg for the first time to the Federation through Captain Picard in STTNG. This is so stupid.
@CHIPHXMAN According to what I heard the Cube encountered by Enterprise-D in Q-Who was headed towards Federation space after receiving the transmission from the Borg in Archer's time. It was also kinda hinted at that certain elements of the Federation were aware of the Borg threat well before the encounter by Picard. I mean would the El-Aurians(Guinan's people) not tell them about the nasty cybernetic organisms that wiped their civilization out.
@Fbueller129 That also makes sense. I was a big supporter of Star Trek Enteprise, it's a shame it was cancelled. I really think they should make a movie based on he crew.
I double checked with wikipedia. The exact orgin of the Borg has never been revealed (if you leave out video games, please do). V'ger is the result of the old American space probe coming into contact with the Borg 400 yrs prior to TNG. The Voyager probe had nothing of value (it was obsolete compared to Borg tech even back then) so it was not assimilated but The Borg did want to help it reach its programming (kinship) so it was outfitted with better tech/etc.
@superghostwheel It's never said in the movies or TV that V'Ger is from the borg. I think that's a neat idea but I don't think it's official cannon. Besides, the borg don't give a rat's ass about other things besides their crusade for perfection.
I think you mean "Borg Sphere". And I think the Borg started in TNG when Wesley released teh "nanites" and they travelledd in time and start assimilating people ;)
i'll let you in on a little known secret. the borg were created in ST the Motion Picture, by the combination of the voyager probe and the captain of the Enterprise (kirk was admiral). That is why they have such a one-minded attraction to earth...
@dernstar666 That's wrong. The V'ger incident happened some 80 years before Picard encountered the Borg. By that point the Borg, by Geinan (spelling)'s testimony, had already existed for thousands of years.
THIS is the single only reason one needs to hate enterprise! while the idea of some borg surviving the explosion + crash of the sphere is genuine and would've made a nice story, the execution was horrible. the borg not announcing themself, plus being beaten by an akiraprise-class starship? some would think that a drone from 2380 is sophisticated enough to boost the tech of a 2160 ship far beyond its original specs, but i guess these drones were just too stupid heh?
@Medhiv83 Yeah, they're drones, working with a hivemind of 7 people instead of billions. They'd be limited to whatever each drone personally knew, which probably ain't much.
this doesn't invalidate my statement in any kind, in VOY a few nanoprobes from 7 assimilated the doc's holo-emmiter and created an uber-borg, who was able to shield himself even from the explosion of the sphere he was on ... 5-7 drones from the late 24th century should've been able to modify the transporter so much to be able to beat the crap out of enterprise or any other 2150-ship, with the technology @ their disposal
a point alot of people forget is starfleet was already aware that the borg was out there before Q who because there were a group of refugees that had there home world destoryed by the borg right after star trek 6
@dixienurmus69 They had no idea that it was specifically the Borg that destroyed those colonies, though. All they knew was that the colonies had been completely obliterated by an unknown race that was presumably hostile, and with technology presumably beyond that of the Federation, given how complete the destruction was.
While I agree that some things can be taken too far, the whole "get laid" arguement is just a cliché that suggests a lack of serious argument. So why the negative comment?
@DrScroob maybe it just seems like a cliche because you've had it said to you so many times. You probably live with your parents, go to conventions and masterbate furiously to pictures of Klingon women.
@hindolian No different from discussing The Scarlet Letter, Silas Marner, A Tale of Two Cities, Catcher in the Rye, etc... Discussing items of interest with either sex is an excellent opening to getting "laid".
Star trek started using the Borg too much during Voyager. I found it especially dumb that the Borg had the ability with a "transwarp network" to send an armada of cubes practically to the doorstep of the Federation, and never did. How did these cyberzombies get so far with such stupidity? Oh right, Rick Berman..
Your forgetting that Earth and the Federation were never considered a huge threat to the borg, nor a target worth exploiting massive ammounts of resources.
@Charlie25188 In many of the novels, Sovereigns were used (to a limited extent) in the dominion war. They were superior to the Galaxy class but only so much. The dominion had numbers and the entire cardassian and breen fleets at their disposal.
@Star123445 Well, they had a larger influence in the Delta quadrant. The transwarp pop out point was still many light years from earth. At the time, the Borg were quite busy on multiple fronts including dealing with Species 8472 (before they went on a complete offensive). It's also possible the Borg may have been expanding in the other direction with the Alpha Quadrant being an afterthought of sorts. I think a handful of tactical cubes could have wiped out Star Fleet in a day.
@Tw4tz0r I think it's unfortunate but inevitable that the borg would be "sissified". The same happened to the dominion. You can't make it impossible to defeat a villan. Otherwise the show wouldn't go anywhere.
@Star123445 they probly never desided to go to the door step at the time because they never had a real reason to and besides the transworp network coould have been a new invetion so they didn`t really get a chance to use it on earth
@Star123445 Haha, I like what you said. I'm not a Berman fan either. Personally I blame him for Star Treks decline in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
@Star123445 Plus, the borg were a lot more ominous and psychologically frightening in TNG. Voyager just kinda made them....bland. Just watch any borg episode from TNG and Voyager; the TNG episodes STILL make my hair stand up.
@Star123445 That's what you get when the Killer Bs are in charge. If Ron Moore and Ira Stephen Behr were in charge of Enterprise, it would probably still be on the air, or had just been put out to pasture.
@Star123445 If you watched the show you would know they had a war on the go with 8472, the undine and could not spare that many ships due to their losses.
there was actually meant to be another borg episode in season 5 (before the show got cancelled) of an starfleet officer who alice kriege would play and she would get assmilited and would become the borg queen
The best line in the Episode is where shes digging borg components and then guy tells her "id be more woried about the Polar Bears" , cause it makes sense a polar bear would easily have killed those borg thats it
If Section 31 even existed then... still it is something that would be a threat, not exactly something to cover up because the risk would so outweigh doing so.
Now those "Temporal Investigations" people we have seen, maybe they could have done something.... That would make a heck of a series actually, like Time Trax or Time Cop.
Maybe the Borg refugees in this ep didn't have access to an interplexic beacon to contact the other Borg of the Enterprise era, so if they were destroyed, the collective wouldn't be aware.
well no in that episode it says that the borg cube they encountered was already on their way to the alpha quadrent so they made it fit in perfectly with the tng story
Thank you everyone. This is what i think what happend, That Borg they found in the atlantic was from the future and they crashed because Enterprise-E destroyed it in First Contact. When the borg Spear was destroyed? the debrisfell to earth and Picard didn't think to look to see if there was any survivors. Untill now!.
@Charlie25188 Technically there were no survivors. The drones found in the wreckage were dead, medically speaking. Their biological components had been frozen, so there wouldn't have been any way for Picard to scan for life signs.
@Charlie25188 yes thats the whole plot but where things go ary is with vger in the orginal movie which is supposed to be the origin of the borg, the problem with this is this episode... why would the borg here send a subspace message to the borg in the delta quadrant if there not already in existance till after the first movie
@narutogaara122 that makes sense, i still think this is a continuity error though if you go with the vger idea, because in Q who, guinen specifically says that the borg have been evolving for millenia or something of that nature
@mancatsquito: No they didn't-the Borg sent out a signal back to the rest of the Collective, but because the ship was destroyed, it took a while to reach the Collective, which is why the Borg came by the Alpha Quadrant only in the 2360's and not in the 2260's. Archer mentions this to T'Pol, that they will eventually come to the Alpha Quadrant and that the destruction of the converted transport was just a holding action.
Technically the borg knew about humans prior to Q Who.
Hansens are an example hence 7 of 9 but the rumours would have exisited before them investigating.
Its just starfleet was not aware of them being around as a threat till Q Who.
Remember El Aurians were refugees during Kirk Later Era their planet was destroyed/assimilated by the borg (they uproot technology) and the El Aurians where aware of earth.
Course first assilimation of Earth Attempted included Wolf 359.
The borg from first contact several years later are the ones that "Came from the future" and "Enterprise-E with Captain Picard stopped them"
Also this in theory led to the peaceful version of first contact with the Vulcans as opposed to the Hostile Mirror Universe version. (this is me theorising)
The borg in regeneration sent a transmission regarding where earth was that would take centuries to get to them. So from that point .. they were aware of humans but not earths location.
@mancatsquito The Borg in First Contact were never able to link with the Collective of the past, and without access to a vinculum or the advanced 24th century technology they were used to, it's likely the Borg survivors weren't able to make a link either, so the Collective of that time still would have had no knowledge of humans until Q Who.
@Dargonhuman That doesn't add up thought. Even with inferior technology, the borg have sufficiently advanced technology and adaptability within themselves to augment whatever they encounter. Hence why this episode as a whole is utterly idiotic, and clearly a desperate ploy by the writers to try and get the fan base they alienated back.
@lawrence5584 They'd need access to the advanced technology or at least a decent replicator to make the parts they needed to make a new vinculum, neither of which were available.
It'd be like a computer engineer today going back to the 1800's; they know how to build desktops and tablet computers, but lack the means to do so.
@mancatsquito this is a by product of the film first contact. also Q who is in the future and a totally different time line. this is the time line that was tainted by the events of first contact.
I suggest watching more episodes so you understand. Did you have this much trouble understanding the new St film with nero ?? same thing.
thx for telling them were Earth is phlox! ASS!
BrettJRipley 1 week ago
UPLOADER, DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A CUBE LOOKS LIKE??? :P
AeronPeryton 1 week ago
Those poor ba$tards. They had no idea what they were up against. There's nothing funny about The Borg.
sunnchilde 3 weeks ago
When I saw the title of this video, I thought it said Bong instead of Borg at first...O_o
ImAnotherFreak 2 months ago
@ImAnotherFreak Lol haha
Charlie25188 2 months ago
@Charlie25188 Music name, Need!!!
gosmiti 1 week ago
Resistance is futile.
Bastylax86 6 months ago
i have a question :) that came to me when playing Star Trek Legacy. In Star Trek the motion picture voyager comes home all tuned up with an ai searching for it's creator and later merges with a human :) Is that the begining of the borg ?
BurningIceGod 7 months ago
@BurningIceGod If so, does that make it Kirk's fault? lmao
Wimpoman 7 months ago
@BurningIceGod no cannon has been made for the start of the borg yet
kanharn 6 months ago
I rather enjoyed the new / old Borg - of course like so much else it trashed earlier Trek history...
Pity that as with all Trek the same baddies had to turn up - very little was really fresh
Still we have the NEW improved TREK now - new movie 2012?
Hope so..
mikeismad61 8 months ago
As far as people complaining about the Drones' stupidity/weakness to primitive tech, you have to think that they are not probably not connected to the Collective as it existed in Archer's time. Basically they are a Collective unto themselves, without a Queen mind to focus their thoughts with absolute precision. That makes them limited in what they can accomplish in terms of adapting technology to their use and adapting to attacks.
Fbueller129 9 months ago 4
@Fbueller129 That is also the reason why the Borg did not know about Humans when Q first threw the Enterprise into the path of a Borg Cube.
jadephyre 3 months ago
uno whats kinda weird.. that if those borg were from the future.. they still had to adapt to these phasers pretty strange...
niels332 9 months ago
y is it if they know that the borg can adapt to the phase weapons that then dont revert to projectile weapons to kill them
UnrealAussie1 1 year ago
@UnrealAussie1
Funny you say that because in Enterprise. Malcolm always found ways to bypass their shield hermonics with his phase pistol. Whereas in the late 2360s Picard still can't get through their shields....funny how that turrns out eh.
Charlie25188 1 year ago
@Charlie25188 projectile weapons kill them with easy y nt use them
UnrealAussie1 1 year ago
man this is painful to watch, berman &braga trashed trek over and over....the borg WERE considered great enemies, but garbage like this really makes them into annoying pushovers. I hope those guys never get their talentless hands on trek again!!! >:[
Valor773 1 year ago
@Valor773 Actually, I thought this episode was the one time since TNG that the Borg were actually scary.
tehblintzor 1 year ago
@tehblintzor You thought they were scary at the time? Lol have you looked at the borg on Ent? seriously lol...
Charlie25188 1 year ago
@tehblintzor Really? O.o
well to each his own, I couldnt help but cringe when i saw this episode.
It was like a cheesy scene from power rangers.
Valor773 1 year ago
I always thought the premise of borgs being invulnerable/resistant to phaser fire silly. Not so much the phasers itself, but Assuming they were also invulnerable/resistant to other weapons like freeze rays, explosives, impact, and fire, it wouldn't make any sense. If they weren't resistant to that, then it would be pretty easy to use those weapons vs borg instead of silly phasers (which would use ridiculously more power and space than any other weapon possible)
MsHojat 1 year ago
@MsHojat
Ya,wouldn't it be easier to replicate a bunch of AK-47s and Beretta 92s?
Sismiques 1 year ago
@Sismiques If you used guns that have bullets? the bullets would of just bounced off their shields and then come at you still smiling. In First Contact, when picard used that gun on the holodeck, they were not using their shield hermonics.....its soo fuckin strange because borg always put them on if they see the enemy as a threat and Picard did that.
Charlie25188 1 year ago
@Charlie25188
Where were thier "shields" when Worf was hacking them to pieces with that Klingon knife?!
Borg apparently can't protect themselves from kinetic engergy weapons.
Sismiques 1 year ago
@Sismiques
LOL! its called a Bat'leth. No they didn't have their shields on when worf attacked them. They didn't see them as a major threat, so they send 2 drones to stop them from letting them detatch the deflector dish. Watch it and understand why and how the borg attacks. Are you sure you watched TNG before?
Charlie25188 1 year ago
@Charlie25188
"Not a threat".
Bullshit,besides it was not a Bat'leth, it was a bladed Klingon weapon about a third of it's size in FIrst Contact!
Watched every episode of TNG.
LeghalaHchu "be"chugh mln lo'laHbe' taj jej!
Sismiques 1 year ago
@Sismiques For fucksake! look at best of both worlds. Did the borg attack the away team as soon as they beamed over? NO. The away team started to sabotage their nodes and thats when the Borg decided to see them as a thread. Fucksake man. Yes it was a bat'leth. Watch it again you dumb fuck.
Charlie25188 1 year ago
@Charlie25188
A bat'leth is a crescent shaped weapon, that wasn't
As I said, "leghalaHchu "be"chugh mln lo'laHbe' taj jej"!
Furthermore,Borg can't adapt to the butt of a Phaser Rifle.
Sismiques 1 year ago 3
@Charlie25188 Also, they only respond to a threat when one of their drones has been fired on.
Charlie25188 1 year ago
I hates them Borgs man, tommy gun em all, tommy gun em good.
wilde1 1 year ago
Umm that explanation would make a closed curcuit... How the hell would the borg find earth the first time and crush the sphere on it when there wasn't anyone to send them coordinates? Weird...
LeagueOfDudes 1 year ago
Thats what really bugs me, this made no sense. It is known that Q introduced the Borg for the first time to the Federation through Captain Picard in STTNG. This is so stupid.
CHIPHXMAN 1 year ago
@CHIPHXMAN think time travel from 'first contact', it changes everything.
also, Q did introduce them, but regardless, they would've come.
barak219 1 year ago
@barak219 Now that I think about it you are right. A change in the timeline would have changed this.
CHIPHXMAN 1 year ago
@barak219 And maybe, in a perverse way & as a result of his growing fondness for Humans he was trying to warn them of the oncoming threat.
borgduck 1 year ago
@CHIPHXMAN According to what I heard the Cube encountered by Enterprise-D in Q-Who was headed towards Federation space after receiving the transmission from the Borg in Archer's time. It was also kinda hinted at that certain elements of the Federation were aware of the Borg threat well before the encounter by Picard. I mean would the El-Aurians(Guinan's people) not tell them about the nasty cybernetic organisms that wiped their civilization out.
Fbueller129 1 year ago
@Fbueller129 That also makes sense. I was a big supporter of Star Trek Enteprise, it's a shame it was cancelled. I really think they should make a movie based on he crew.
CHIPHXMAN 1 year ago
I double checked with wikipedia. The exact orgin of the Borg has never been revealed (if you leave out video games, please do). V'ger is the result of the old American space probe coming into contact with the Borg 400 yrs prior to TNG. The Voyager probe had nothing of value (it was obsolete compared to Borg tech even back then) so it was not assimilated but The Borg did want to help it reach its programming (kinship) so it was outfitted with better tech/etc.
superghostwheel 1 year ago 2
@superghostwheel It's never said in the movies or TV that V'Ger is from the borg. I think that's a neat idea but I don't think it's official cannon. Besides, the borg don't give a rat's ass about other things besides their crusade for perfection.
DaftStrings 1 year ago
The Borg are *so* win. They are easily teh best ST villains evar.
hEADcRASH13 1 year ago 2
I think you mean "Borg Sphere". And I think the Borg started in TNG when Wesley released teh "nanites" and they travelledd in time and start assimilating people ;)
sylvie606 1 year ago
I love the rising action.
thedreamdealer 1 year ago
i'll let you in on a little known secret. the borg were created in ST the Motion Picture, by the combination of the voyager probe and the captain of the Enterprise (kirk was admiral). That is why they have such a one-minded attraction to earth...
dernstar666 1 year ago
@dernstar666 That's wrong. The V'ger incident happened some 80 years before Picard encountered the Borg. By that point the Borg, by Geinan (spelling)'s testimony, had already existed for thousands of years.
Zidana123 1 year ago
THIS is the single only reason one needs to hate enterprise! while the idea of some borg surviving the explosion + crash of the sphere is genuine and would've made a nice story, the execution was horrible. the borg not announcing themself, plus being beaten by an akiraprise-class starship? some would think that a drone from 2380 is sophisticated enough to boost the tech of a 2160 ship far beyond its original specs, but i guess these drones were just too stupid heh?
Medhiv83 1 year ago
@Medhiv83 Yeah, they're drones, working with a hivemind of 7 people instead of billions. They'd be limited to whatever each drone personally knew, which probably ain't much.
tehblintzor 1 year ago
@tehblintzor
this doesn't invalidate my statement in any kind, in VOY a few nanoprobes from 7 assimilated the doc's holo-emmiter and created an uber-borg, who was able to shield himself even from the explosion of the sphere he was on ... 5-7 drones from the late 24th century should've been able to modify the transporter so much to be able to beat the crap out of enterprise or any other 2150-ship, with the technology @ their disposal
Medhiv83 1 year ago
a point alot of people forget is starfleet was already aware that the borg was out there before Q who because there were a group of refugees that had there home world destoryed by the borg right after star trek 6
dixienurmus69 1 year ago
@dixienurmus69 They had no idea that it was specifically the Borg that destroyed those colonies, though. All they knew was that the colonies had been completely obliterated by an unknown race that was presumably hostile, and with technology presumably beyond that of the Federation, given how complete the destruction was.
Zidana123 1 year ago
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you people need to get laid. I have always liked star trek but you people talk as if this shit is real.
hindolian 1 year ago
While I agree that some things can be taken too far, the whole "get laid" arguement is just a cliché that suggests a lack of serious argument. So why the negative comment?
DrScroob 1 year ago 4
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@DrScroob maybe it just seems like a cliche because you've had it said to you so many times. You probably live with your parents, go to conventions and masterbate furiously to pictures of Klingon women.
hindolian 1 year ago
@hindolian No different from discussing The Scarlet Letter, Silas Marner, A Tale of Two Cities, Catcher in the Rye, etc... Discussing items of interest with either sex is an excellent opening to getting "laid".
superghostwheel 1 year ago 3
oh so that what they look like i didnt know
johntheblindartist 2 years ago
whats going on with that borg ship ?
beavusesbuthead 2 years ago
It's a supply vessal they high jacked but for some reason decided to decorate it like the cube.
gamerlegend 2 years ago
Star trek started using the Borg too much during Voyager. I found it especially dumb that the Borg had the ability with a "transwarp network" to send an armada of cubes practically to the doorstep of the Federation, and never did. How did these cyberzombies get so far with such stupidity? Oh right, Rick Berman..
Star123445 2 years ago 57
No donald bega
gamerlegend 2 years ago
@Star123445
Your forgetting that Earth and the Federation were never considered a huge threat to the borg, nor a target worth exploiting massive ammounts of resources.
Spectual1 2 years ago
a) how could they not be a threat? they are the biggest and baddest power in the alpha quadrant. b) then why did we have st: first contact
Star123445 2 years ago
There are far more powerful civilizations in the Milky Way, The Federation are a miniscule threat to the borg, Krenim, Voth, Dominion, and so on.
Spectual1 2 years ago
The Federation couldn't even defeat the Dominion in a straight fight. They are no threat whatsoever to the Borg.
frellthat 2 years ago
If the Sovereign was in that Dominion war? Federation would be kick their ass:D
Charlie25188 2 years ago
@Charlie25188 In many of the novels, Sovereigns were used (to a limited extent) in the dominion war. They were superior to the Galaxy class but only so much. The dominion had numbers and the entire cardassian and breen fleets at their disposal.
Saratje86 1 year ago
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@Spectual1 and....because it was a plot device
ManofSteel4889 2 years ago
@Star123445 because.....it was a plot device......
ManofSteel4889 2 years ago
@Star123445 Well, they had a larger influence in the Delta quadrant. The transwarp pop out point was still many light years from earth. At the time, the Borg were quite busy on multiple fronts including dealing with Species 8472 (before they went on a complete offensive). It's also possible the Borg may have been expanding in the other direction with the Alpha Quadrant being an afterthought of sorts. I think a handful of tactical cubes could have wiped out Star Fleet in a day.
superghostwheel 1 year ago 4
@superghostwheel Thank you Voyager for ruining the Borg, Q, Star Trek and the Federation.
Tw4tz0r 1 year ago 7
@Tw4tz0r I think it's unfortunate but inevitable that the borg would be "sissified". The same happened to the dominion. You can't make it impossible to defeat a villan. Otherwise the show wouldn't go anywhere.
DaftStrings 1 year ago
@Tw4tz0r Voyager... What's that? ;-)
tombo1984 2 months ago
@Tw4tz0r why? i loved voyager. the only thing i could have made better is a more conclusive ending but i loved all the characters and the action D=
nightreaper999 2 months ago
@Star123445 A lot of stories in the newer Star Trek episodes (especially Voyager) are just dumb.
Spitamenes 1 year ago
@Star123445 they probly never desided to go to the door step at the time because they never had a real reason to and besides the transworp network coould have been a new invetion so they didn`t really get a chance to use it on earth
worldofwarcraftman2 1 year ago
@Star123445 Yep one of the many plot holes. Its been explained off that the borg didn't see a need.
llamapi3 1 year ago
@Star123445 Haha, I like what you said. I'm not a Berman fan either. Personally I blame him for Star Treks decline in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
pepperVenge 11 months ago 3
@Star123445 Plus, the borg were a lot more ominous and psychologically frightening in TNG. Voyager just kinda made them....bland. Just watch any borg episode from TNG and Voyager; the TNG episodes STILL make my hair stand up.
Forlo12345 10 months ago 3
@Star123445 That's what you get when the Killer Bs are in charge. If Ron Moore and Ira Stephen Behr were in charge of Enterprise, it would probably still be on the air, or had just been put out to pasture.
heymrk 7 months ago
@Star123445 If you watched the show you would know they had a war on the go with 8472, the undine and could not spare that many ships due to their losses.
kanharn 6 months ago
BORG, gotta love em.
03nj 2 years ago
these are the borg, who were in the Sphere, that was destroyed in The First Contact.
eselpopo 2 years ago
this is proberly the Best Enterprise episoad out of all of them.
frostymoviesjp 3 years ago
going in fav vids :)
frostymoviesjp 3 years ago
there was actually meant to be another borg episode in season 5 (before the show got cancelled) of an starfleet officer who alice kriege would play and she would get assmilited and would become the borg queen
chaoz44 3 years ago 2
that would have been awesome :)
DFlynn666 2 years ago
The best line in the Episode is where shes digging borg components and then guy tells her "id be more woried about the Polar Bears" , cause it makes sense a polar bear would easily have killed those borg thats it
Casio24 3 years ago
I dont know, i like the line where the crew were discussing the effectiveness of their weapons on the borg.
One of them said "We might as well had been firing holographic bullets"
Which Picard had done in First Contact.
milkdudder 3 years ago 2
This episode premise was sooooooooooooooo stupid
How then would Picard have had to ask Guinan about the Borg? It would have been a time loop like in "Cause and Effect" on TNG.
DEP717 3 years ago
Maybe Section 31/Starfleet Intel covered the whole thing up?
NorthernBloodLust 3 years ago
If Section 31 even existed then... still it is something that would be a threat, not exactly something to cover up because the risk would so outweigh doing so.
Now those "Temporal Investigations" people we have seen, maybe they could have done something.... That would make a heck of a series actually, like Time Trax or Time Cop.
DEP717 3 years ago
Well, watch the second half of Season 4 (the "Augment Virus" and "Terra Prime" story arcs). Section 31 (or a predecessor) has heavy involvement there.
Plus, the Borg were never actually identified by name here. As far as anyone on Enterprise knew, they were just a bunch of cybernetic humanoids.
NorthernBloodLust 3 years ago
Maybe the Borg refugees in this ep didn't have access to an interplexic beacon to contact the other Borg of the Enterprise era, so if they were destroyed, the collective wouldn't be aware.
MrMoorkey 3 years ago
So - they just retroactively destroyed the Borg finding out about humans in Q Who?
mancatsquito 3 years ago 24
well no in that episode it says that the borg cube they encountered was already on their way to the alpha quadrent so they made it fit in perfectly with the tng story
blackemperor1327 3 years ago 3
Thank you everyone. This is what i think what happend, That Borg they found in the atlantic was from the future and they crashed because Enterprise-E destroyed it in First Contact. When the borg Spear was destroyed? the debrisfell to earth and Picard didn't think to look to see if there was any survivors. Untill now!.
Charlie25188 3 years ago 4
This isn't the first time they use that plot point, either - the entire game plot in Star Trek: Legacy is based on it.
heavyarms01h 3 years ago
@Charlie25188 Technically there were no survivors. The drones found in the wreckage were dead, medically speaking. Their biological components had been frozen, so there wouldn't have been any way for Picard to scan for life signs.
Zidana123 1 year ago
@Charlie25188 yes thats the whole plot but where things go ary is with vger in the orginal movie which is supposed to be the origin of the borg, the problem with this is this episode... why would the borg here send a subspace message to the borg in the delta quadrant if there not already in existance till after the first movie
kris8144 1 year ago
@kris8144 i think the borg sent out the message knowing that it would take 200 years to get there where the borg would be in 200 years.
narutogaara122 1 year ago
@narutogaara122 that makes sense, i still think this is a continuity error though if you go with the vger idea, because in Q who, guinen specifically says that the borg have been evolving for millenia or something of that nature
kris8144 1 year ago
@Charlie25188 Fridge logic.
Phelan666 1 year ago
@Charlie25188 We already knew that.....
borgduck 1 year ago
@mancatsquito: No they didn't-the Borg sent out a signal back to the rest of the Collective, but because the ship was destroyed, it took a while to reach the Collective, which is why the Borg came by the Alpha Quadrant only in the 2360's and not in the 2260's. Archer mentions this to T'Pol, that they will eventually come to the Alpha Quadrant and that the destruction of the converted transport was just a holding action.
Neville6000 1 year ago
@mancatsquito
Technically the borg knew about humans prior to Q Who.
Hansens are an example hence 7 of 9 but the rumours would have exisited before them investigating.
Its just starfleet was not aware of them being around as a threat till Q Who.
Remember El Aurians were refugees during Kirk Later Era their planet was destroyed/assimilated by the borg (they uproot technology) and the El Aurians where aware of earth.
Course first assilimation of Earth Attempted included Wolf 359.
horusrage 9 months ago
@mancatsquito
The borg from first contact several years later are the ones that "Came from the future" and "Enterprise-E with Captain Picard stopped them"
Also this in theory led to the peaceful version of first contact with the Vulcans as opposed to the Hostile Mirror Universe version. (this is me theorising)
The borg in regeneration sent a transmission regarding where earth was that would take centuries to get to them. So from that point .. they were aware of humans but not earths location.
horusrage 9 months ago
@mancatsquito The Borg in First Contact were never able to link with the Collective of the past, and without access to a vinculum or the advanced 24th century technology they were used to, it's likely the Borg survivors weren't able to make a link either, so the Collective of that time still would have had no knowledge of humans until Q Who.
Dargonhuman 8 months ago 13
@Dargonhuman That doesn't add up thought. Even with inferior technology, the borg have sufficiently advanced technology and adaptability within themselves to augment whatever they encounter. Hence why this episode as a whole is utterly idiotic, and clearly a desperate ploy by the writers to try and get the fan base they alienated back.
lawrence5584 2 months ago
@lawrence5584 They'd need access to the advanced technology or at least a decent replicator to make the parts they needed to make a new vinculum, neither of which were available.
It'd be like a computer engineer today going back to the 1800's; they know how to build desktops and tablet computers, but lack the means to do so.
Dargonhuman 2 months ago
@mancatsquito this is a by product of the film first contact. also Q who is in the future and a totally different time line. this is the time line that was tainted by the events of first contact.
I suggest watching more episodes so you understand. Did you have this much trouble understanding the new St film with nero ?? same thing.
kanharn 6 months ago
Enterprise Rocks
Selly8319 3 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"Enterprise" is a bane on the entire franchise.
Doza130 3 years ago
good vid about the borg
Darkjunior224 3 years ago