@ProtectDavid exactly the opposite, just in case you're interested -- I'm judging from extensive personal communications and words of those who went from xSU to the US: the US is *very* much resembling the late SU, *including* propaganda machine.
Though I'd rather blame Americans for letting Jews in back then, and for not really opposing their lies -- including the mass media anti-Russian hysteria.
@ProtectDavid more so is the US. they always love to strive to be the greatest. US here US there. mcdonalds here and all. always says that dont buy anything but US made. as if the ppl in the factory in the US are americans. more of them are foreigners. stop being a wussy. these russians are just being quiet and i think they can explode anytime if pushed buy the american piglet superiors. id like to see F22 or F15 in a dog fight with SU27 or any flanker.
@ProtectDavid But I betch'ya it's waterproof... f-22huh? And in the end, who cares? The most that will happen is that you'll see them at an airshow, along with the other competitors.
Too bad they're not in our air museums. It would have been impressive to see a Su-27 sitting on the deck of the USS Midway or USS Intrepid beside its American competitors.
@SERBIJA +ORTHODOX TSAREVINA TO ONEBLOODEED HOLLY @RUSSIJA SO ALL BEGANS WHIT HIM., THAT @RUSSIJAS INCREDIBLE,MAGNIFICENT,GENIUS - SU27. HE @RUSSIJANS GEORGES GENTLE MARVELLOUS,REMARKABLE @RUSSIJANS GREAT HOLLY MIND SU-27. ALL AFTER THAT WAS MORE THAN HISTORY, OF DEVELOPING SUPERBLLY 4++ 4+++,5, /6,-SU50/- GENERATION WAR BOMBER ATTACK PLANES,FLANKERS. EVEN 6.BEST IN WORLDS ARE BASED ON HIS SCIENCE-ENGINEERING FEATURES / SU30.SU27F-KH-T ,MIG29.OVT.,SU34.,SU35.,AND TSAR / EMPEROR OF THE SKY SU37
@SERBIJA +ORTHODOX TSAREVINA TO ONEBLOODEED HOLLY @RUSSIJA ......... SO ALL BEGANS WHIT HIM., THAT @RUSSIJAS INCREDIBLE,MAGNIFICENT,GENIUS - SU27. HE @RUSSIJANS GEORGES GENTLE MARVELLOUS,REMARKABLE @RUSSIJANS GREAT HOLLY MIND SU-27. ALL AFTER THAT WAS MORE THAN HISTORY, OF DEVELOPING SUPERBLLY ,4++ 4+++,5, /6,-SU50/- GENERATION WAR BOMBER ATTACK PLANES,FLANKERS. EVEN 6.BEST IN WORLDS ARE BASED ON HIS SCIENCE-ENGINEERING FEATURES / SU30.SU27F-KH-T ,MIG29.OVT.,SU34.,SU35.,AND TSAR OF THE SKY SU37
@SERBIJA +ORTHODOX TSAREVINA TO ONEBLOODEED HOLLY @RUSSIJA ......... SO ALL BEGANS WHIT HIM., THAT @RUSSIJAS INCREDIBLE,MAGNIFICENT,GENIUS - SU27. HE @RUSSIJANS GEORGES GENTLE MARVELLOUS,REMARKABLE @RUSSIJANS GREAT HOLLY MIND SU-27. ALL AFTER THAT WAS MORE THAN HISTORY ., OF DEVELOPING SUPERBLLY 4+,4++..,4+++,5, /6,-SU50/- GENERATION WAR BOMBER ATTACK PLANES,FLANKERS. EVEN 6.BEST IN WORLDS ARE BASED ON HIS SCIENCE-ENGINEERING FEATURES ./ SU30.,F22,MIG29.OVT.,SU34.,SU35.,AND TSAR OF THE SKY SU37
30 yrs. And still one of the deadliest fighter planes in the world. I wish I could go to a "open house" static display so I can see the SU-27,33,30,35,37.....What a RUSH !!!
@quickzilver333 But... they do not look the same? What did they copy? If you build something to compete with something els it's hard not not get a result that reminds of the adversary. Exept for the twin engine/twin vertical stabilizer layout I find it hard to see the design that was copied?
I love both the F-14 and the Su-27 family of aircraft. For once the american ones looks like tanks and the russians look like a sports car :P
Both the Flanker and the eagle in their most advanced froms are multirole fighters with extremly advanced avionics and capabilities. When the F15 Silent Eagle is ready it will be a 4++ gen fighter just as the Su35BM.
Both will have all Gen 5 capabilities exept for all aspect stealth. And stealth comes at a heavy prize in maintanance and unit cost and payload. And shaping for stealth is a aerodynamic compromise that they try to offset with vectored thrust and extremly capable engines.
Please people forget about that US vs USSR theme. Its over, done with and its getting old. And please dont judge planes from their looks. For manned aircraft aerodynamics the aerodynamics of the Eagle of Flanker or any modern aircraft is hard to improve. They are pretty much perfect for what they are built to do aerodynamicly. Engines and avionics and weapons have very much improved.
A first batch eagle or flanker would look weak against newer versions of the same designs.
я думал он вообще, когда закроет кабину - нахуй улитит, наплевав, на всякие там репортажи, но он вовремя заметил камеру сзади и решил продолжить репортаж.
You know, I've been looking a lot on the internet 4 that 1992 incident, in which supposedly, an Su-27 shot down an F-15 in an exercise aerial combat and I didn't found anything. This bullshit pathetic Russian propaganda always annoyed me. The fact that they simply LIE is very annoying.
@StiviGun1 if you can't find it on Internet it does not mean it did not happen. People are sad these days they check everything on internet and then act like they know everything...
@ArmAFan Such an event would've appeared on the net for sure. It would've been impossible 2 be kept away from public, in specially if it was filmed, like that guy claims. So I don't think it ever happened 4 2 reasons: 1, the Su-27 is not so much better than the F-15, in fact they r very close in performance & the US pilots r at least as good as the Russian ones, & 2, this incident never appeared on the internet. It would've been impossible not 2 appear on the net in all these years.
russian pilots are always impressive,even in the air shows their flying display are better than other pilots from diff countries.i am not russian but this is what i always see.
@TheAlphaMale316 well its not only russian pilots who ejects,every pilot ejects to to save their life,and its true u have to be good while ejecting,because u can kill ur self in 1 sec of ejection,another thing is that russian pilots are really good,the fact is no went one on one with them,u also said its not the pilot its the plane,well i heard this for the first time in my life,its always man behind the machine,if thats ur philosophy its wrong
You know, I would like to see a flight of f-15C's with well trained pilots and say, 1000 hours flying time go head to head with a flight of SU-27M's with pilots with the same amount of training and stick time. THEN you could say which one is better and why.
In 2009 the Pentagon bought two Su-27's from Ukraine and brought them over to the USA. The Air Force got to play with them for a while with their best pilots at the stick. The tests they did are top secret. Rumors floating around say, the Su was a better maneuverable fighter than they expected.
Some guess that they did put the Su-27 up against their own fighters and best pilots. What really happened in those tests, we'll never know.
Plane looks nice but if I were a pilot I wouldn't want to fly it. I just read where Igor Tkachenko died in an air show. It's too bad. He had reservations about the safety of the plane yet still flew in air shows. RIP
He died in a training mission for MAKS 2009,two Su-27 collided,and the 3 pilots (one was a UB) ejected.2 were found alive,while the commander was found dead,the plane has nothing to do with the incident.
You're right that the plane had nothing to do with the incident but I've read past comments from him that indicated he had concerns about the saftey of the plane.
Thank you Russia Today for bringing true information to the world. It's a very important contribution given the fact that theres so much US propaganda and your channel proves eyeopening for MANY people around the world.
@ES350ES350 Because the Su-27 is a peace of shit. Nobody wants to buy it because finding replacement parts is impossible, expensive to service and maintain. You can buy a fleet of F-16's and keep em up to date vs buying this shit and having to spend money constantly hits why Countrys bought more F-16's and F-15's than Su-27's.
@vfIskullangel the part about the replacement parts is very true and that reputation tends to be a big issue in sales for the russians. that being said, the su27 and mig29 have been tested by the Federation of American Scientists and they claim that they are equal or better than the F15C in some areas, for the most part close and mid range combat.
If the russians strike a deal with their exporters for licenced production of spare parts, that could improve their state on the international market
@MatoVuc What most people don't understand while buying these aircrafts is that its everyman for himself when it comes to parts replacement like buying a Delorean or a Ferrari without a certified dealership near by which is why these aircrafts get no play in combat. The resources are limted with Su-27 since they do not make them no more.The F-15C on the other hand is an outdated fighter, hints why the new "Slient Eagle" is going into service soon not to mention has large abundance of parts.
@vfIskullangel as for the part that nobody wants to buy it. well, it would seem there are more operators of the su27 and su30 (around 12-15, i think) than the f15 (6). On the other hand the MiG29 and F16 are a lot closer to each other: 29 vs. 25 operators respectively.
@MatoVuc Well the Su-27 and Su-30 are MUCH cheaper than the average F-15 fighter which is why many will buy them in large numbers only to discover that they do not manufacture parts for them anymore were as the F-15 in manufacturing parts. The f-15 has been improved upon over long periods of time vrs the Su-27 which seemed to revinvet itself every 8 years.
@vfIskullangel you make some good points there, but i wouldn't say that it reinvents itself, because the basic airframe has not changed dramatically (aside for the su-34, but that's a different story) and most of the changes result in imporved functionality, durability, performance, broader mission porfile applicability.
How exactly they managed to fuck up their "technical support" isn't really hard to figure out. Maintaining a scarcity of the parts means they can charge a pretty penny for them
@MatoVuc The su-34 is still the same aircraft from the cockpit back.
There has been many complains by its export customers due to the lack of customer support basically and the lack of replacement parts and even upgrades for the jet. Their country has to supply themselves with everything.
@ES350ES350 "LMMFAO!!!!!"Thats because we can back that shit up!Of course the SU 27 is IYO.....Your only comparing it to a fighter that is 40 years old douch ;-)
Well it does look so, when u compare the features. And it seems su-27 won the simulated fight also isnt it. But it depends on the pilot too of course.
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Spitfire can out turn Su 27 and Typhoon is the best. Russian villages 30 kms outside Moscow have no running water/cause Putin spend on building up military to invade Ukraine in 2009/to stop them joining NATO
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Even though the F-15 is 10 years older than the su-27 the su-27 would not stand a chance in any kind of dog fight. The only way the SU-27 could compete in the sky against an American fighter jet is if you go back to at least a 20 or 30 year old jet. Maybe the F-14 Tomcat or the Phantom. The Su-27 is a nice jet though.
The SU-27 was built specifically to counter the F-15. Dog fighting is what the SU-27 does best. The only threat against it was better BVR engagement capabilities of the F-15 but that came to an end with the modernization of the SU-27's avionics, and weapon systems.
Those were 4 SU-24/25s that were lost. These conduct low level ground attacks and are more vulnerable to anti air guns. The SU-27 was never shot down in Georgia.
That is not a fact. On August 9th, the Russian air force lost two SU-25s over South Ossetian air space. The conflict had begun barely 24 hours at that time, the Georgians still had the use of anti aircraft batteries in the area which were silenced by subsequent air strikes later that same day. About two days later, 2 more SU-25s were lost for a total of four. No SU-27s or bombers like you say were shot down. Russia's air force pretty much owned the skies.
Yea a lot of Su-27 where lost in Soviet Afgan war, Chechnya war and Georgia. But Russia doesn't have a big mouth like usa which deplay 120 F-15 in order to kill 2 or 4 Mig-25 and Mig-29. Wow that's sooo impressive in the eyes of a someone with a slight knowladge on combat and war. Put up 10 F-15C vs 10 Su-27SM and let's see if the Kill-Ratio of the F-15 remains the same.
@ANimouz Just to correct your inaccurate information - no Su-27s were lost in either Chechnya, Afghanistan or Georgia. In Georgia and Chechnya Su-25 were lost and maybe Su-24. Flankers were never deployed to Afghanistan or Chechnya for combat duties and there are reports of MiG-29s in Georgia. But I haven't heard about Flankers in Georgia.
Yeah, and your comment just shows how little knowledge you have about erial warfare. There's is a saying among combat aviators regardless of their country that in a true combat situation if you are not cheating you are not trying to win. And if cheating involves pitting 12 F-15Cs against 4 SU-27s or visa-versa, then so be it as long as you win. B-T-W, check out Red Flag 2008 - a bunch of "superior" SU-30MKI from the IAF got owned by an equal number of "inferior" F-15Cs.
lol, the su-27 has been modified to 4.5 generation standards, which Russia has about 430 su-27 upgraded versions...which will own the raptor..but will be inferior in stealth....damn it!!
Classic American dumpfuck who really believes the bullshit from CNN and BBC . BOO Terrorists will kill you. There aren't terrorists idiot.. only your multi-corporate companies that steal your rights , freedom , money and everything else with nice staged lies and propaganda. I don't want you to believe in what I say .. because it's quite pleasant to see Americans be ass raped everyday from their birth and , not only they do NOTHING to change it but , they SUPPORT IT! Well that's some fuck.
if the f-22 is really that good why doesnt the US accept the dogfight challenge against the Su-37 layed down by the Sukhoi Company at farnborrough 1996.
That doesn't matter, the person I replied to said there were ZERO American planes that could match the -27, generation not specified. As for forth generation planes, the F-15 is just as good (or better) if we compare complementary models (no F-15A vs Su-30MKI).
USaF admitted that the Su-30MKI with it's more advanced radar and avionics can achieve perfect ratio vs any kind of F-15 simply because of better jammers / radar . You think they make the F-35 and F-22 for fun and show ?
Su-27 is nice Jet but I wouldn't say it's the best. Beside, the training sorties, there is no record of any combat victories of this jet. So, 30 years of what...just flying around burning holes in the sky. On the other side F-15 has a mile long record of shooting Mig out of the sky. As for Su-27 beating the F-15 in the simulated fight. That is simply because the USAF wanted that way, so they could push for the F-22 program to the congress (The BANK). It's all politics boys.
All you said are pure US propaganda,nothing more.When any US plane does one maneuver that this or any Russian plane can,than I might believe you.For now there's no proof of anything you said.
Boxer, where are you getting this shit? True, he was wrong in saying the Sukhoi has no kills, it actually has four. However, the USAF did claim that the Su-27 was superior at one point in time so that they could get congress to fund for more Raptors, no fool would release that kind of information as propoganda. There is no maneuver a Flanker can do than an F-22 can not.
There is 1 maneuver.. the cost of 1 raptor is the cost of 12 flankers. Also the flanker repairs and maintance doesn't need a whole factory to be build in the airport. To fix a flanker you need a screwdriver and grease monke, to fix a Raptor you need 3 trucks full of advanced equipment and 15 man highly educated personel.
The Raptor is actually much easier to service than any other air superiority fighter in USAF history. It has advanced diagnostics which allow the crews to know exactly what is working and what is not with nothing more than a computer connected to the aircraft. Service times are significantly shorter compared to that of an F-15 or F-16. Also, it is important to note that, even though the cost of an F-22 is worth 12 Flankers, the F-22 type has achieved 100:1 kill ratios at Red Flag events.
The real number is 242:2, If I remember correctly, I just reduced it. The Eagle and Viper pilots were reporting that they could see the plane visually, but could not lock it in boresight mode. They also say that the F-22's heat pattern is effective enough that the AIM-9X, which uses an imaging seeker, couldn't get a solid lock unless it was a rear-aspect shot, much like the Vietnam-era sidewinders. This is not just another small step forward, this is like upgrading from F-86 to F-15 here.
You can see a jet visually five miles away or more, which is well outside machine gun range. Standard operation for a 20mm shot is well under one nautical mile range, and usually less. Also, the high speeds of modern fighters require the use of an LCOS (Lead Calculating Optical Sight) to use accurately. This is achieved by the radar locking, and pilots are trained to depend on this. No radar lock, no long-range gun shots. While the Eagles tried to go guns, the Raptors were firing AIM-9X.
You're right, they do. However, while there is an increase in range, it's not very significant - no more than half a mile.
Also, even though they use a larger and harder-hitting bullet, the Gsh-30-1 (which the Su-27 and MiG-29 use) has a 1500rpm fire rate compared with the 6600rpm rate of the 20mm M61A2. The MiG and Flanker are also limited to 150 rounds, compared to the 940 of the F-15.
So, that's my thirty-second run-down of the Vulcan vs Gsh-30-1.
They do. The Russian gun is far superior for air-to-ground attacks, because that role favors hard hits and the pin-point accuracy that the Gsh provides. In the air-to-air role, the Vulcan is better optimized for damaging thin-skinned aircraft, and its spread pattern ensures widespread damage of sensitive aircraft systems rather than some big hole. You could say that if the Gsh is an SKS Carbine, the Vulcan is a semi-auto 12-gauge shotgun.
Of course. And, with the APG-88 and AIM-120D the Raptor is basically at the top for BVR at the moment. Its radar has LPI capability, whereby it minimizes radar emissions to remain undetected.
The gun is not completely useless, however. Against 4th generation fighters (F-15s and F-16s) Raptors at Red Flag have run out of missiles (six shots, six targets, six kills) and had enough time and gas to go for guns. Using the element of surprise, they have proven extremely effective at it.
hahaha im sorry to say..but you must be american that think russian plane are rubbish.....but for missile the russian air to air missiles are more advance and capable than american...with cheaper price, russian weapons will surpass the american in arms export.....
Only an idiot would think that russian aerospace technology is rubbish. It's clearly not. However, at the moment, the Raptor holds the #1 spot in long- and short-range air-to-air combat supremacy. We have a missile roughly equal to Russia's in capability (R-77M and AIM-120D) and our radar is less powerful but more sophisticated.
Still, nothing has been able to touch Raptor kill ratios at Red Flag, regardless of who makes it. Even the Su-30MKI suffers from maintenance and datalink issues.
offcourse the su-30 is not a match for raptors, it's a different generation plane, just wait for the next 5th gen russian plane, i bet it will much better than the american raptors and far less cheaper too like the su-30 with f-15 back in the 80s and 90s........
Well, hold on though. What you have to realize about those two is that the F-15 entered service in 1974, and its cousin the F-14 was even earlier in 1972. The Su-27 never got into service in any real numbers until the late '80s, which meant the Russians had nearly a decade to advance their airplane. And it still wasn't particularly superior until the true Su-30 series even later than that, and even the MKI had serious trouble with Eagles at Red Flag. We'll have to wait and see with the T-50.
i hope the new 5th gen russian fighter will be available in the near future.......coz my country are pending on the purchase of su-30 for the 5th gen fighter......at low prices.....it will be the favourites for asian country
It would be nice if the US would go ahead and export the Raptor. Japan, if no one else, deserves to have some, just as they got the Eagle when it was fairly new. I don't know if I could support giving them to Israel, though, the other big potential Raptor sale. The area is a bit too unstable to be choosing sides period, let alone giving one side the most powerful anti-aircraft force ever developed (so far.)
yeah...with the israeli reputation on using american weaposn to civilian...i hope that will never hapened....and even the raptors are sale to export...my country don't have the budget to buy one..it's too expensive......
Last I heard, Congress itself had decided that the Raptor could not be exported to anyone for any price. Even if Japan was willing to pay one Billion for each jet, under the law it couldn't happen. I don't know if they've changed that since, but that's what I heard.
like the US will export its best..no the worlds best fighter to a country who attacked us almost 70 years ago. i know our countries have an agreement but knowing what japan did i still dont trust them
We've done it before. Remember, that when the F-15 was brand new it was the Raptor of its day, and Japan got to build them under contract for the JASDF, modified for their own weapons.
the only reason they want it is because it has stealth thats it thats why the US is modifying the F-15 to have Stealth capabilities or atleast a reduced RCS specificaly for countries looking to acquire the F-22. so not only will they be in a familiar cockpit but they wont be seen just like the raptor
Well, I think you and I both know that the Silent Eagle can't come close to the stealth capability of the Raptor. The F-22 has an RCS about the size of a marble, which puts the F-35 to shame.
Besides, isn't the Silent Eagle one of the multi-role versions like the F-15E? If it's not a dedicated A2A platform in the spirit of the F-15C and F-22 then I don't think it's fair to propose it as an alternative - simply because they'll be buying a lot of compromises they just don't need.
the F-15E is just an F-15B or D with strike capabilities. it was made to have the same agility as the air superiority F-15 that way it can fight its way to the target and fight its way out. the only difference is that it carries bombs
That's not so. The F-15E comes with a complete, comprehensive air-to-ground avionics suite. It's electronics package is almost completely different from the A-D Eagles. It's also got some structural differences such as the landing gear and things. Why does all this matter? Well, it makes the plane heavier and more expensive than it needs to be in a pure air-to-air role. It still works well, but the buyer will be getting a bunch of A2G crap that they don't need. It's way beyond bombs.
F-15SE has better avionics unlike the E it will have Fifth generation tech. to reduce its RCS which is enoguh to be able to export. it about as stealthy as the JSFs being exported. from the front its RCS will be 0.011 ft². if the E wasnt good enoguh to be able to dogfight then we would have never made it plus it will be able to use AIM-9X also HMD(helmet mounted display) which will pretty much fills the gap when ur talking about weight and manouverability.
Again, my biggest concern was cost. Imagine you want a sports car. So you walk into the Porsche dealership. You tell them you want something that's fast, exciting, and with good handling. The salesman smiles, and walks you over to a Cayenne - a 500hp SUV. This vehicle actually does EVERYTHING you asked, but you'll be throwing money into 3rd row seats you don't need. You're paying for what you want, AND for a bunch of other things you don't. And if Porsche doesn't have one, I won't buy one.
a Raptor or JSF's radar can fry an enemy's radar thats one of the cool things AESA radars can do. the reason the SU-30s are having problems with maintenance is because well of its age same as the F-15s F-16s and older fighters like that. the F-22 is relatively new so we have a big supply of parts for them
you know that's a damn good comment i've been over here pulling my hair out listening to these russians on u tube that makes me sleep better because i've been worried the U.S.A.F. is loosing it
Russia is all propaganda lol, there so obsessed with being better then America they make lies about it.
ProtectDavid 5 months ago 3
@ProtectDavid exactly the opposite, just in case you're interested -- I'm judging from extensive personal communications and words of those who went from xSU to the US: the US is *very* much resembling the late SU, *including* propaganda machine.
Though I'd rather blame Americans for letting Jews in back then, and for not really opposing their lies -- including the mass media anti-Russian hysteria.
mshigorin 3 months ago
@ProtectDavid more so is the US. they always love to strive to be the greatest. US here US there. mcdonalds here and all. always says that dont buy anything but US made. as if the ppl in the factory in the US are americans. more of them are foreigners. stop being a wussy. these russians are just being quiet and i think they can explode anytime if pushed buy the american piglet superiors. id like to see F22 or F15 in a dog fight with SU27 or any flanker.
budubum 3 months ago
@ProtectDavid But I betch'ya it's waterproof... f-22huh? And in the end, who cares? The most that will happen is that you'll see them at an airshow, along with the other competitors.
7hart2 2 months ago
Too bad they're not in our air museums. It would have been impressive to see a Su-27 sitting on the deck of the USS Midway or USS Intrepid beside its American competitors.
JRCitrus 6 months ago
@SERBIJA +ORTHODOX TSAREVINA TO ONEBLOODEED HOLLY @RUSSIJA SO ALL BEGANS WHIT HIM., THAT @RUSSIJAS INCREDIBLE,MAGNIFICENT,GENIUS - SU27. HE @RUSSIJANS GEORGES GENTLE MARVELLOUS,REMARKABLE @RUSSIJANS GREAT HOLLY MIND SU-27. ALL AFTER THAT WAS MORE THAN HISTORY, OF DEVELOPING SUPERBLLY 4++ 4+++,5, /6,-SU50/- GENERATION WAR BOMBER ATTACK PLANES,FLANKERS. EVEN 6.BEST IN WORLDS ARE BASED ON HIS SCIENCE-ENGINEERING FEATURES / SU30.SU27F-KH-T ,MIG29.OVT.,SU34.,SU35.,AND TSAR / EMPEROR OF THE SKY SU37
Tihomir7777 7 months ago
@SERBIJA +ORTHODOX TSAREVINA TO ONEBLOODEED HOLLY @RUSSIJA ......... SO ALL BEGANS WHIT HIM., THAT @RUSSIJAS INCREDIBLE,MAGNIFICENT,GENIUS - SU27. HE @RUSSIJANS GEORGES GENTLE MARVELLOUS,REMARKABLE @RUSSIJANS GREAT HOLLY MIND SU-27. ALL AFTER THAT WAS MORE THAN HISTORY, OF DEVELOPING SUPERBLLY ,4++ 4+++,5, /6,-SU50/- GENERATION WAR BOMBER ATTACK PLANES,FLANKERS. EVEN 6.BEST IN WORLDS ARE BASED ON HIS SCIENCE-ENGINEERING FEATURES / SU30.SU27F-KH-T ,MIG29.OVT.,SU34.,SU35.,AND TSAR OF THE SKY SU37
Tihomir7777 7 months ago
@SERBIJA +ORTHODOX TSAREVINA TO ONEBLOODEED HOLLY @RUSSIJA ......... SO ALL BEGANS WHIT HIM., THAT @RUSSIJAS INCREDIBLE,MAGNIFICENT,GENIUS - SU27. HE @RUSSIJANS GEORGES GENTLE MARVELLOUS,REMARKABLE @RUSSIJANS GREAT HOLLY MIND SU-27. ALL AFTER THAT WAS MORE THAN HISTORY ., OF DEVELOPING SUPERBLLY 4+,4++..,4+++,5, /6,-SU50/- GENERATION WAR BOMBER ATTACK PLANES,FLANKERS. EVEN 6.BEST IN WORLDS ARE BASED ON HIS SCIENCE-ENGINEERING FEATURES ./ SU30.,F22,MIG29.OVT.,SU34.,SU35.,AND TSAR OF THE SKY SU37
Tihomir7777 7 months ago
30 yrs. And still one of the deadliest fighter planes in the world. I wish I could go to a "open house" static display so I can see the SU-27,33,30,35,37.....What a RUSH !!!
P3T3R582 7 months ago
Good Job Russian Spies for copying the F-14 and F-15 design. If it wasn't for the F-14 and F-15 the Mig-27,29 and 35 design wouldn't exist.
quickzilver333 7 months ago
@quickzilver333 But... they do not look the same? What did they copy? If you build something to compete with something els it's hard not not get a result that reminds of the adversary. Exept for the twin engine/twin vertical stabilizer layout I find it hard to see the design that was copied?
I love both the F-14 and the Su-27 family of aircraft. For once the american ones looks like tanks and the russians look like a sports car :P
skagerstrom 7 months ago
@quickzilver333 Your a retard, you know that?
BusinessKi11ER 7 months ago
HEHEH WOW TOOK OUT F15 KINDA OLD NOW
sertox12345 8 months ago
WOW BIG HAT LOL
sertox12345 8 months ago
BREATH TAKING WHERE WHAT DID THEY DO THAT WAS SO BREATH TAKING
sertox12345 8 months ago
Both the Flanker and the eagle in their most advanced froms are multirole fighters with extremly advanced avionics and capabilities. When the F15 Silent Eagle is ready it will be a 4++ gen fighter just as the Su35BM.
Both will have all Gen 5 capabilities exept for all aspect stealth. And stealth comes at a heavy prize in maintanance and unit cost and payload. And shaping for stealth is a aerodynamic compromise that they try to offset with vectored thrust and extremly capable engines.
EdGrund 9 months ago
Please people forget about that US vs USSR theme. Its over, done with and its getting old. And please dont judge planes from their looks. For manned aircraft aerodynamics the aerodynamics of the Eagle of Flanker or any modern aircraft is hard to improve. They are pretty much perfect for what they are built to do aerodynamicly. Engines and avionics and weapons have very much improved.
A first batch eagle or flanker would look weak against newer versions of the same designs.
EdGrund 9 months ago
@Briankey1960 not in 1992
EdGrund 9 months ago
Su-27 beating an F-15? Yeah, sure in your dreams!
TheF15ace 9 months ago
я думал он вообще, когда закроет кабину - нахуй улитит, наплевав, на всякие там репортажи, но он вовремя заметил камеру сзади и решил продолжить репортаж.
DeathSetler 9 months ago
If I were that female anchor, I'd be embarrassed as hell having to say those lines on live TV.
Capt777harris 9 months ago
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Russian junk that will fall apart in the air. Everything that Russians produce is shit.
Il00OOll 9 months ago
I would love to see the film of the su-27 vs f4 video,sounds awesome!
kingmanted 10 months ago
It is an impressive fighter, but it must also be remembered that the F-15 is a senior citizen when compared to the Sukhoi
Juantonomobay 10 months ago
DUDE i want COL. Yury Kosmynin's hat
flooglafish 1 year ago
In reality, russian jet fighter is absolutely nothing compare to the US and western countries. They are like target practice.
coolferds06 1 year ago
nice hat
jajkic0732 1 year ago
Do Russians refer to the Su-27 as simply "Su-27", do they use the NATO reporting name "flanker" or do they have their own nickname for it
1990PatMorrison 1 year ago
@1990PatMorrison they just call it su-27 thats all ...
leonelp51 1 year ago
@1990PatMorrison they refer to it as Su-27. they don't even know about the "flanker" designation
nazirdjon 1 year ago
@nazirdjon Really, although I heard they use the fulcrum designation for the MiC-29 and the bear for the Tu-95
1990PatMorrison 1 year ago
If the internet your only source of information you should kill yourself.
ArmAFan 1 year ago
You know, I've been looking a lot on the internet 4 that 1992 incident, in which supposedly, an Su-27 shot down an F-15 in an exercise aerial combat and I didn't found anything. This bullshit pathetic Russian propaganda always annoyed me. The fact that they simply LIE is very annoying.
StiviGun1 1 year ago
@StiviGun1 if you can't find it on Internet it does not mean it did not happen. People are sad these days they check everything on internet and then act like they know everything...
ArmAFan 1 year ago
@ArmAFan Such an event would've appeared on the net for sure. It would've been impossible 2 be kept away from public, in specially if it was filmed, like that guy claims. So I don't think it ever happened 4 2 reasons: 1, the Su-27 is not so much better than the F-15, in fact they r very close in performance & the US pilots r at least as good as the Russian ones, & 2, this incident never appeared on the internet. It would've been impossible not 2 appear on the net in all these years.
StiviGun1 1 year ago
@StiviGun1 If the internet was my only source of information, I'd have to hang myself.
l3attlel2oyal 1 year ago
@l3attlel2oyal Then what are you waiting for?Fucking lose who wants look impressive... Pathetic.
StiviGun1 1 year ago
@l3attlel2oyal You don't need to prove your illiteracy with expletives... you did that well-enough already.
l3attlel2oyal 1 year ago
I flew the F15 you moron.. and flew circles around Su anything..... Know your place
businessguys 1 year ago
SU-27 will not be getting taken out of service for many years to come
warriorxp111 1 year ago
Russia always has the best technology, "20 more years" and it was built 20 years ago. thats 40 total, thats what i call advanced.
SnowBroProductions 1 year ago
US F-15 flies circles around this...
businessguys 1 year ago
@businessguys HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHhh
ANimouz 1 year ago
@businessguys
Your an idiot. Stop talking, make the world a better place and go kill yourself..
TheAlphaMale316 1 year ago
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su 27 more russian junk
just old and rusty from soviet scrap
eee545 2 years ago
russian pilots are always impressive,even in the air shows their flying display are better than other pilots from diff countries.i am not russian but this is what i always see.
mkg00179504 2 years ago 31
@mkg00179504
Yes, Russian pilots can eject beter than anyone. lol. But seriously, it's not the pilots that are good... it's the plane.
TheAlphaMale316 1 year ago
@TheAlphaMale316 well its not only russian pilots who ejects,every pilot ejects to to save their life,and its true u have to be good while ejecting,because u can kill ur self in 1 sec of ejection,another thing is that russian pilots are really good,the fact is no went one on one with them,u also said its not the pilot its the plane,well i heard this for the first time in my life,its always man behind the machine,if thats ur philosophy its wrong
mkg00179504 1 year ago
You know, I would like to see a flight of f-15C's with well trained pilots and say, 1000 hours flying time go head to head with a flight of SU-27M's with pilots with the same amount of training and stick time. THEN you could say which one is better and why.
damaged01 2 years ago
In 2009 the Pentagon bought two Su-27's from Ukraine and brought them over to the USA. The Air Force got to play with them for a while with their best pilots at the stick. The tests they did are top secret. Rumors floating around say, the Su was a better maneuverable fighter than they expected.
Some guess that they did put the Su-27 up against their own fighters and best pilots. What really happened in those tests, we'll never know.
RacerXGTO 2 years ago
Мне интересно Почему на канале Русских новостей коментируют одни Американцы?
Lukash9494 2 years ago
F15 is much better than that Su27, they are idiots. In air sims with SU27 German fighter pilots, the F15 always won. F15 is still undefeated
businessguys 2 years ago
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Frontkeks 2 years ago
@businessguys You are on drugs buddy.
Spetsnazovets 1 year ago
@businessguys You are on drugs buddy.
Spetsnazovets 1 year ago
@businessguys You are on drugs buddy.
Spetsnazovets 1 year ago
Russia has Ordered Su-35BM for there country.Anyone to judge and stereotype Russians are fools,and Not all us Americans are Idiots like that.
omnadrener 2 years ago
I love the journalists unorthodox camera shots!
alieu156 2 years ago
Plane looks nice but if I were a pilot I wouldn't want to fly it. I just read where Igor Tkachenko died in an air show. It's too bad. He had reservations about the safety of the plane yet still flew in air shows. RIP
asusucks 2 years ago
He died in a training mission for MAKS 2009,two Su-27 collided,and the 3 pilots (one was a UB) ejected.2 were found alive,while the commander was found dead,the plane has nothing to do with the incident.
OpelGTC 2 years ago
You're right that the plane had nothing to do with the incident but I've read past comments from him that indicated he had concerns about the saftey of the plane.
asusucks 2 years ago
Aircraft's crash, also american even f-22
alexejnemov 2 years ago
True, but in this case you have one of russias best pilots questioning the safety of the plane.
asusucks 2 years ago
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Vonky487 2 years ago
Thank you Russia Today for bringing true information to the world. It's a very important contribution given the fact that theres so much US propaganda and your channel proves eyeopening for MANY people around the world.
Vonky487 2 years ago 2
i have always loved the look of f-15
Evilfisher 2 years ago
Of course, SU27 is better and much cheaper than F15 and other western jets in its class..
... but Americans have bigger mouth
ES350ES350 2 years ago 25
@ES350ES350 can't argue with 104 kills to 0 losses
memmm2 1 year ago
@ES350ES350 Because the Su-27 is a peace of shit. Nobody wants to buy it because finding replacement parts is impossible, expensive to service and maintain. You can buy a fleet of F-16's and keep em up to date vs buying this shit and having to spend money constantly hits why Countrys bought more F-16's and F-15's than Su-27's.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
@vfIskullangel the part about the replacement parts is very true and that reputation tends to be a big issue in sales for the russians. that being said, the su27 and mig29 have been tested by the Federation of American Scientists and they claim that they are equal or better than the F15C in some areas, for the most part close and mid range combat.
If the russians strike a deal with their exporters for licenced production of spare parts, that could improve their state on the international market
MatoVuc 1 year ago
@MatoVuc What most people don't understand while buying these aircrafts is that its everyman for himself when it comes to parts replacement like buying a Delorean or a Ferrari without a certified dealership near by which is why these aircrafts get no play in combat. The resources are limted with Su-27 since they do not make them no more.The F-15C on the other hand is an outdated fighter, hints why the new "Slient Eagle" is going into service soon not to mention has large abundance of parts.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
@vfIskullangel as for the part that nobody wants to buy it. well, it would seem there are more operators of the su27 and su30 (around 12-15, i think) than the f15 (6). On the other hand the MiG29 and F16 are a lot closer to each other: 29 vs. 25 operators respectively.
MatoVuc 1 year ago
@MatoVuc Well the Su-27 and Su-30 are MUCH cheaper than the average F-15 fighter which is why many will buy them in large numbers only to discover that they do not manufacture parts for them anymore were as the F-15 in manufacturing parts. The f-15 has been improved upon over long periods of time vrs the Su-27 which seemed to revinvet itself every 8 years.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
@vfIskullangel you make some good points there, but i wouldn't say that it reinvents itself, because the basic airframe has not changed dramatically (aside for the su-34, but that's a different story) and most of the changes result in imporved functionality, durability, performance, broader mission porfile applicability.
How exactly they managed to fuck up their "technical support" isn't really hard to figure out. Maintaining a scarcity of the parts means they can charge a pretty penny for them
MatoVuc 1 year ago
@MatoVuc The su-34 is still the same aircraft from the cockpit back.
There has been many complains by its export customers due to the lack of customer support basically and the lack of replacement parts and even upgrades for the jet. Their country has to supply themselves with everything.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
@ES350ES350 "LMMFAO!!!!!"Thats because we can back that shit up!Of course the SU 27 is IYO.....Your only comparing it to a fighter that is 40 years old douch ;-)
Canesnumber1stunner 1 year ago
Excellent. Su-27 is way better than f-15.
dusq123 2 years ago 3
You have no idea what you're talking about, lay off the weed son.
SouthUKGuy 2 years ago
Well it does look so, when u compare the features. And it seems su-27 won the simulated fight also isnt it. But it depends on the pilot too of course.
dusq123 2 years ago
Well it must be better if they created it for the sole reason of it being better. That's why USAF created the F-22 in the first place.
ANimouz 2 years ago
to: ANimouz. Yes. I agree with you.
dusq123 2 years ago
and thats why russia is working on the pak fa.
AhdelEssam 2 years ago
take out the dildo boy.
AhdelEssam 2 years ago
elegancka maszyna, moje marzenie...
andrzeita 3 years ago
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Spitfire can out turn Su 27 and Typhoon is the best. Russian villages 30 kms outside Moscow have no running water/cause Putin spend on building up military to invade Ukraine in 2009/to stop them joining NATO
steve007x 3 years ago
LOL fuckin numb nuts relax )))
Z971 3 years ago
Su-37 is much better than Su-27 or F-15.
It is comparable with F-22
PetefromCzechr 3 years ago 4
americans always with shit in their heads instead of brains.
Lucio7272 3 years ago 2
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Even though the F-15 is 10 years older than the su-27 the su-27 would not stand a chance in any kind of dog fight. The only way the SU-27 could compete in the sky against an American fighter jet is if you go back to at least a 20 or 30 year old jet. Maybe the F-14 Tomcat or the Phantom. The Su-27 is a nice jet though.
billcavazos 3 years ago
The SU-27 was built specifically to counter the F-15. Dog fighting is what the SU-27 does best. The only threat against it was better BVR engagement capabilities of the F-15 but that came to an end with the modernization of the SU-27's avionics, and weapon systems.
edwong3 3 years ago 3
waaayy wrong...
Yes4HumanRace 3 years ago
the su-27 can do one thing that the F-15 cant do. It can be shot down :P
LoudS1l3nc3 3 years ago
Show us when a Russian piloted SU-27 has been ever shot down.
edwong3 3 years ago
Georgia!
1BuckeyeNation 3 years ago
Those were 4 SU-24/25s that were lost. These conduct low level ground attacks and are more vulnerable to anti air guns. The SU-27 was never shot down in Georgia.
edwong3 3 years ago 2
9 planes and 1 bomber were shot down.
1BuckeyeNation 3 years ago
"9 planes and 1 bomber were shot down."
That is not a fact. On August 9th, the Russian air force lost two SU-25s over South Ossetian air space. The conflict had begun barely 24 hours at that time, the Georgians still had the use of anti aircraft batteries in the area which were silenced by subsequent air strikes later that same day. About two days later, 2 more SU-25s were lost for a total of four. No SU-27s or bombers like you say were shot down. Russia's air force pretty much owned the skies.
edwong3 3 years ago 2
You know what? One of the downed Russian airplanes was a Tu-22 bomber, and of course, the SU-25. My bad.
edwong3 3 years ago 2
mostly u never knew abt it before the conflict :))
AhdelEssam 2 years ago
Yea a lot of Su-27 where lost in Soviet Afgan war, Chechnya war and Georgia. But Russia doesn't have a big mouth like usa which deplay 120 F-15 in order to kill 2 or 4 Mig-25 and Mig-29. Wow that's sooo impressive in the eyes of a someone with a slight knowladge on combat and war. Put up 10 F-15C vs 10 Su-27SM and let's see if the Kill-Ratio of the F-15 remains the same.
ANimouz 2 years ago 4
@ANimouz Just to correct your inaccurate information - no Su-27s were lost in either Chechnya, Afghanistan or Georgia. In Georgia and Chechnya Su-25 were lost and maybe Su-24. Flankers were never deployed to Afghanistan or Chechnya for combat duties and there are reports of MiG-29s in Georgia. But I haven't heard about Flankers in Georgia.
Spetsnazovets 1 year ago
@ANimouz to correct my mistake I wanted to say Su-25/24. Su-27 were never lost in combat till this day.
ANimouz 1 year ago
@ANimouz
Yeah, and your comment just shows how little knowledge you have about erial warfare. There's is a saying among combat aviators regardless of their country that in a true combat situation if you are not cheating you are not trying to win. And if cheating involves pitting 12 F-15Cs against 4 SU-27s or visa-versa, then so be it as long as you win. B-T-W, check out Red Flag 2008 - a bunch of "superior" SU-30MKI from the IAF got owned by an equal number of "inferior" F-15Cs.
22250rmntn 1 year ago
I don't know which plane is actually better...the F15 of this one... however...is this the kind of news people get in Russia?
Holy freakin biased!
pacificguitarist 3 years ago
some nice designing by Sukhoi. This jet is truly awesome
vtkrey 3 years ago
lol, the su-27 has been modified to 4.5 generation standards, which Russia has about 430 su-27 upgraded versions...which will own the raptor..but will be inferior in stealth....damn it!!
sovietamerican2 3 years ago
because the F22 was still in development in 1996 dumb fuck towel head. allah snackbar
asianiinvasion 3 years ago
Calm down, the su-37 was in development around that time as well.
valeriyvyskribov 3 years ago
Classic American dumpfuck who really believes the bullshit from CNN and BBC . BOO Terrorists will kill you. There aren't terrorists idiot.. only your multi-corporate companies that steal your rights , freedom , money and everything else with nice staged lies and propaganda. I don't want you to believe in what I say .. because it's quite pleasant to see Americans be ass raped everyday from their birth and , not only they do NOTHING to change it but , they SUPPORT IT! Well that's some fuck.
ANimouz 2 years ago
if the f-22 is really that good why doesnt the US accept the dogfight challenge against the Su-37 layed down by the Sukhoi Company at farnborrough 1996.
gattlegun 4 years ago
hmm the "Real" F-22 started her maiden flight in 1997, before it, US only got YF-22
Sheilfalkyr 4 years ago 4
if the F-22 is all its cracked up to be, dont you think its prototype would have done a good enough job?
camwizardoz 2 years ago
happy birth day! :D
PArezina 4 years ago 2
SUREE!!
Migsu 4 years ago
Best plane ever!No US plane can match it!
BoxerTheSpaceDog 4 years ago 3
F-22 Raptor, easily.
JETZcorp 4 years ago
Raptor is a 5th generation jet
su-27 is 4th
login001login001 4 years ago
That doesn't matter, the person I replied to said there were ZERO American planes that could match the -27, generation not specified. As for forth generation planes, the F-15 is just as good (or better) if we compare complementary models (no F-15A vs Su-30MKI).
JETZcorp 4 years ago
USaF admitted that the Su-30MKI with it's more advanced radar and avionics can achieve perfect ratio vs any kind of F-15 simply because of better jammers / radar . You think they make the F-35 and F-22 for fun and show ?
ANimouz 2 years ago
Su-27 is nice Jet but I wouldn't say it's the best. Beside, the training sorties, there is no record of any combat victories of this jet. So, 30 years of what...just flying around burning holes in the sky. On the other side F-15 has a mile long record of shooting Mig out of the sky. As for Su-27 beating the F-15 in the simulated fight. That is simply because the USAF wanted that way, so they could push for the F-22 program to the congress (The BANK). It's all politics boys.
youngtiger1 4 years ago
All you said are pure US propaganda,nothing more.When any US plane does one maneuver that this or any Russian plane can,than I might believe you.For now there's no proof of anything you said.
BoxerTheSpaceDog 4 years ago 3
Boxer, where are you getting this shit? True, he was wrong in saying the Sukhoi has no kills, it actually has four. However, the USAF did claim that the Su-27 was superior at one point in time so that they could get congress to fund for more Raptors, no fool would release that kind of information as propoganda. There is no maneuver a Flanker can do than an F-22 can not.
JETZcorp 4 years ago
There is 1 maneuver.. the cost of 1 raptor is the cost of 12 flankers. Also the flanker repairs and maintance doesn't need a whole factory to be build in the airport. To fix a flanker you need a screwdriver and grease monke, to fix a Raptor you need 3 trucks full of advanced equipment and 15 man highly educated personel.
ANimouz 2 years ago
The Raptor is actually much easier to service than any other air superiority fighter in USAF history. It has advanced diagnostics which allow the crews to know exactly what is working and what is not with nothing more than a computer connected to the aircraft. Service times are significantly shorter compared to that of an F-15 or F-16. Also, it is important to note that, even though the cost of an F-22 is worth 12 Flankers, the F-22 type has achieved 100:1 kill ratios at Red Flag events.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
I dont believe the ratio 100:1, it would be the propaganda for the U.S government.
ANLQ84 2 years ago
The real number is 242:2, If I remember correctly, I just reduced it. The Eagle and Viper pilots were reporting that they could see the plane visually, but could not lock it in boresight mode. They also say that the F-22's heat pattern is effective enough that the AIM-9X, which uses an imaging seeker, couldn't get a solid lock unless it was a rear-aspect shot, much like the Vietnam-era sidewinders. This is not just another small step forward, this is like upgrading from F-86 to F-15 here.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
wouldn't you shoot it with machine gun if u saw it visually?
nazirdjon 2 years ago
You can see a jet visually five miles away or more, which is well outside machine gun range. Standard operation for a 20mm shot is well under one nautical mile range, and usually less. Also, the high speeds of modern fighters require the use of an LCOS (Lead Calculating Optical Sight) to use accurately. This is achieved by the radar locking, and pilots are trained to depend on this. No radar lock, no long-range gun shots. While the Eagles tried to go guns, the Raptors were firing AIM-9X.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
Russian fighters have 30mm canons , not 20mm.
Bibazavr 2 years ago
You're right, they do. However, while there is an increase in range, it's not very significant - no more than half a mile.
Also, even though they use a larger and harder-hitting bullet, the Gsh-30-1 (which the Su-27 and MiG-29 use) has a 1500rpm fire rate compared with the 6600rpm rate of the 20mm M61A2. The MiG and Flanker are also limited to 150 rounds, compared to the 940 of the F-15.
So, that's my thirty-second run-down of the Vulcan vs Gsh-30-1.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
I guess they both benefit from different situations.
Bibazavr 2 years ago
They do. The Russian gun is far superior for air-to-ground attacks, because that role favors hard hits and the pin-point accuracy that the Gsh provides. In the air-to-air role, the Vulcan is better optimized for damaging thin-skinned aircraft, and its spread pattern ensures widespread damage of sensitive aircraft systems rather than some big hole. You could say that if the Gsh is an SKS Carbine, the Vulcan is a semi-auto 12-gauge shotgun.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
Apparently you know a lot about planes ;)
Bibazavr 2 years ago
but both are useless in air fight...coz modern air fight won in BVR( Beyond Visual Range) using long range missile and superior radar
jengkollovers 2 years ago
Of course. And, with the APG-88 and AIM-120D the Raptor is basically at the top for BVR at the moment. Its radar has LPI capability, whereby it minimizes radar emissions to remain undetected.
The gun is not completely useless, however. Against 4th generation fighters (F-15s and F-16s) Raptors at Red Flag have run out of missiles (six shots, six targets, six kills) and had enough time and gas to go for guns. Using the element of surprise, they have proven extremely effective at it.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
hahaha im sorry to say..but you must be american that think russian plane are rubbish.....but for missile the russian air to air missiles are more advance and capable than american...with cheaper price, russian weapons will surpass the american in arms export.....
jengkollovers 2 years ago 10
Only an idiot would think that russian aerospace technology is rubbish. It's clearly not. However, at the moment, the Raptor holds the #1 spot in long- and short-range air-to-air combat supremacy. We have a missile roughly equal to Russia's in capability (R-77M and AIM-120D) and our radar is less powerful but more sophisticated.
Still, nothing has been able to touch Raptor kill ratios at Red Flag, regardless of who makes it. Even the Su-30MKI suffers from maintenance and datalink issues.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
offcourse the su-30 is not a match for raptors, it's a different generation plane, just wait for the next 5th gen russian plane, i bet it will much better than the american raptors and far less cheaper too like the su-30 with f-15 back in the 80s and 90s........
jengkollovers 2 years ago
Well, hold on though. What you have to realize about those two is that the F-15 entered service in 1974, and its cousin the F-14 was even earlier in 1972. The Su-27 never got into service in any real numbers until the late '80s, which meant the Russians had nearly a decade to advance their airplane. And it still wasn't particularly superior until the true Su-30 series even later than that, and even the MKI had serious trouble with Eagles at Red Flag. We'll have to wait and see with the T-50.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
i hope the new 5th gen russian fighter will be available in the near future.......coz my country are pending on the purchase of su-30 for the 5th gen fighter......at low prices.....it will be the favourites for asian country
jengkollovers 2 years ago
It would be nice if the US would go ahead and export the Raptor. Japan, if no one else, deserves to have some, just as they got the Eagle when it was fairly new. I don't know if I could support giving them to Israel, though, the other big potential Raptor sale. The area is a bit too unstable to be choosing sides period, let alone giving one side the most powerful anti-aircraft force ever developed (so far.)
JETZcorp 2 years ago
yeah...with the israeli reputation on using american weaposn to civilian...i hope that will never hapened....and even the raptors are sale to export...my country don't have the budget to buy one..it's too expensive......
jengkollovers 2 years ago
Last I heard, Congress itself had decided that the Raptor could not be exported to anyone for any price. Even if Japan was willing to pay one Billion for each jet, under the law it couldn't happen. I don't know if they've changed that since, but that's what I heard.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
like the US will export its best..no the worlds best fighter to a country who attacked us almost 70 years ago. i know our countries have an agreement but knowing what japan did i still dont trust them
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
We've done it before. Remember, that when the F-15 was brand new it was the Raptor of its day, and Japan got to build them under contract for the JASDF, modified for their own weapons.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
yeah their weapons. The F-22 is perfect whats there to mod to improve it nothing with the F-15 theres alot to improve
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
Not in 1975, there wasn't. Fast-forward to 2025, and I guarantee the Raptor is going to need some upgrades, just like the Eagle.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
the only reason they want it is because it has stealth thats it thats why the US is modifying the F-15 to have Stealth capabilities or atleast a reduced RCS specificaly for countries looking to acquire the F-22. so not only will they be in a familiar cockpit but they wont be seen just like the raptor
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
Well, I think you and I both know that the Silent Eagle can't come close to the stealth capability of the Raptor. The F-22 has an RCS about the size of a marble, which puts the F-35 to shame.
Besides, isn't the Silent Eagle one of the multi-role versions like the F-15E? If it's not a dedicated A2A platform in the spirit of the F-15C and F-22 then I don't think it's fair to propose it as an alternative - simply because they'll be buying a lot of compromises they just don't need.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
the F-15E is just an F-15B or D with strike capabilities. it was made to have the same agility as the air superiority F-15 that way it can fight its way to the target and fight its way out. the only difference is that it carries bombs
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
That's not so. The F-15E comes with a complete, comprehensive air-to-ground avionics suite. It's electronics package is almost completely different from the A-D Eagles. It's also got some structural differences such as the landing gear and things. Why does all this matter? Well, it makes the plane heavier and more expensive than it needs to be in a pure air-to-air role. It still works well, but the buyer will be getting a bunch of A2G crap that they don't need. It's way beyond bombs.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
F-15SE has better avionics unlike the E it will have Fifth generation tech. to reduce its RCS which is enoguh to be able to export. it about as stealthy as the JSFs being exported. from the front its RCS will be 0.011 ft². if the E wasnt good enoguh to be able to dogfight then we would have never made it plus it will be able to use AIM-9X also HMD(helmet mounted display) which will pretty much fills the gap when ur talking about weight and manouverability.
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
Again, my biggest concern was cost. Imagine you want a sports car. So you walk into the Porsche dealership. You tell them you want something that's fast, exciting, and with good handling. The salesman smiles, and walks you over to a Cayenne - a 500hp SUV. This vehicle actually does EVERYTHING you asked, but you'll be throwing money into 3rd row seats you don't need. You're paying for what you want, AND for a bunch of other things you don't. And if Porsche doesn't have one, I won't buy one.
JETZcorp 2 years ago
a Raptor or JSF's radar can fry an enemy's radar thats one of the cool things AESA radars can do. the reason the SU-30s are having problems with maintenance is because well of its age same as the F-15s F-16s and older fighters like that. the F-22 is relatively new so we have a big supply of parts for them
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
@jengkollovers Russia owns the air, it has the best fighter jet and bomber currently
SnowBroProductions 1 year ago
@jengkollovers
quickzilver333 7 months ago
name one time BVR was used to win a dogfight. never. people need to get it through thier thick skulls the dogfight is NOT dead.
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
you know that's a damn good comment i've been over here pulling my hair out listening to these russians on u tube that makes me sleep better because i've been worried the U.S.A.F. is loosing it
1z1q 4 years ago
the russians are stubborn and ignorant. im telling you its all that damn vodka they drink over there man.
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
пошел нахуй пидор сраный
Lukash9494 2 years ago
WHAT? i dont know what the hell you just said... please translate or ask someone to translate for you ok comrade
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
SUKHOIS ARE THE BEST
su27forserbia 4 years ago 2
AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2129261184 4 years ago 2