@bibouba je suis assez d'accord sur le principe de parler de la musique mais en quoi des commentaires francophiles sont ils déplorable??tu n'aimes pas ta culture?
Après toute défaite, chaque vaincu incrimine toujours ses voisins – depuis juin 40 on a des tonnes de livres et d'articles et de discours où les Français incriminent les Anglais et réciproquement, et entre Français, la gauche, la droite, les aviateurs, les juifs, etc. En réalité, même si l'Angleterre et la France avaient été mieux dirigées et en meilleur état, personne ne pouvait gagner contre l'Allemagne adossée à l'URSS.
C'est pas la France qui s'est mangé une branlée en 40 c'est la ripoublik avec le front crapulaire, depuis qu'on est une démoncratie on a pas arrêté de se manger des peignés par des monarchies ou des régimes totalitaires. Avant on était pas si mauvais, on était même au même niveau que l'Allemagne en tout point voire mieux (et c'est pas peu dire). Mais c'est comme la Russie, ça devait être la première puissance mondiale en 1920-1930, mais c'était sans compter sur les bolcheviks...
@Eutedetesto Faut arrêter de se toucher sur l'Allemagne, la France n'était pas au même niveau que l'Allemagne (de la Renaissance jusqu'au premier Empire), elle était loin, très loin devant que se soit militairement ou culturellement. Se manger des peignées ? Napoléon s'est battu seul (avec les braves Polonais) contre les Russes, les Espagnols, Les Britanniques, Les Prussiens, Les Autrichiens et les Portugais... et ils ont eu chaud au fesses les monarchistes.
@RattlesHead en effet. D'ailleurs au vu de l'histoire il aurait mieux fait de s'appuyer d'avantage sur la Pologne qui était notre seul véritable et sincère allié à l'époque, plutôt que la sacrifier à moitié pour calmer (temporairement) le fourbe Alexandre...
si ils ont fui a dunkerque avec des millers de francais aussi. C'est que nous étions encerclés par les allemands venus de belgique et les allemands venus des ardennes qui ont courus jusqu'à la manche formant une ligne (sedan,manche) donc aucune chance pour eux, pris en tenaille heureusement que les anglais avaient leur navires ils on même utilisés des petits navires de pecheurs. Une centaine de francais se sont d'ailleurs sacrifiés pour couvrir la retraite, churchill en a même fait 1 citation
Je vois que il y a du sacré niveau sur la 2nde Guerre.
Si la France à perdu c'est a cause...
- une mauvaise préparation, la France avait les meilleurs chars tout de même, le problème c'est qu'on était resté à la technique 1ere guerre. Le Char appuyait l'infanterie. Alors que les allemands possédaient des divisions entières de blindés.
-les allemands on quand même attaqué la belgique et les pays bas alors qu'ils étaient neutres...
-les anglais ne nous ont jamais abandonné n'importe quoi
ya surtout une politique faible qui na pas donné a son armée l'ame et l'envie de gagner .. surtout apres la 1 er guerre mondial , les gens savaient ce quils les attendaient si ils résistent..
@bipbip28 Tout a fait d'accord, je vais même être plus précis ;)
Les blindés allemands disposaient de la radio les français non ^^ (ils utilisaient des drapeaux il me semble pour communiquer), les allemands avaient 3 groupes de 1000 chars et la France 1000 groupes de 3 chars (c'est une représentation...)
L'Allemagne avait de l'expérience: guerre d'espagne (pour la Luftwaffe), et la Pologne. Et la France... comme tu le dis tactique de 14-18
@bipbip28 Si l'Angleterre serait restée elle aurait probablement été défaite aussi donc qui aurait combattu si vaillamment la Luftwaffe et la Kriegsmarine?
Je suis presque sûr que l'Allemagne aurait gagné sans cela...
@Supduplemup - Yes, the mousquetaires were eliminated under Louis XVI for budgetary reasons ánd for the simple fact that a light infantry armed with muskets became oldfashioned. This means that indeed in France the mousquetaires only existed under the Bourbon Kings.
si ont s'est pris une branlée en 40 c est a cause de nos generaux et de leur tactic d'enlisement ont aurait pu etre a berlin si ont (les generaux ) c etait bougé leur putain de cul au lieux de se cloitré a maginot putain! Rien a voir avec les anglais dunkerque etait nessaire ! t.d petit fils d ancien combatant de la france libre (campagne d italie et sud de la france)
Les attaques personnelles sur une personne dont vous ignorer tout sont aussi valables que ses textes inhérents à l'idiotie. "Je respecte les autres peuples et mêmes les Américains,(en particulier ceux qui sont enterrés en Normandie)". DUPLEIX: le débarquement américain c'est du pipi de caille par rapport aux assauts soviétiques. La redevabilité envers les USA me semble quelque peu... ambiguë. Tout ça parce que l'URSS n'est toujours pas perçue objectivement.
Lancial1963: Sur un précédent commentaire, tu comparais Napoleon à un fasciste! C'est bien la preuve que tu n'es pas un spécialiste! Une personne intelligente ne peut comparer un chef d'état de plus de 200ans avec une idéologie d' à peine 90 ans. Mais moi non plus, je n'aime pas particulièrement Napoléon, mais je prends l'histoire de France avec tout son passé. Ces moments glorieux (beaucoup) et ceux qui le sont moins (très peu)! Au lieu de faire le professeur, retourne à l'école!
Lancial 1963:Je respecte les autres peuples et mêmes les Américains,(en particulier ceux qui sont enterrés en Normandie). Nous sommes une des plus vieilles nation du monde. La France est la descendante directe de la civilisation Gallo-romaine.En 1500 ans, des millions de Français sont morts avec honneur pour leur terre . Il faut respecter cela! Les critiques des certains Anglo-saxons ne sont que le reflet d'une jalousie et d'une méconnaissance totale de l'histoire du monde!
I come from Switzerland, my mother only comes from USA. I speak German, English, Italian. French is the 3rd? Well, it's not the 1st! I've a PhD from University of Zurich. Try to study history by international books, not "patriotic" book of story: France is well known over the world to be too much "patriotic"... I see that when someone answers by facts, a French begins to get a lot of excuses, of pedant details (USA politics, indeed!): why do you apply details on USA/UK and not on your France?
I'm tired to read comments from all those french persons that believe to be the best of the world... indeed? Nevertheless, one thing is 100% sure: France is not the number one in the world, so rest in peace. If you'd like to believe that, for me it's OK: you're blind... Napoleon was like a fascist or nazi dictator: same story, more or less. If you think USA are finished, good luck with Chinese people! P.S. - Unfortunately, I do not speak French... and it would be better for someone ;-)
I've been reading the comments below. You guys argue about "who beat who" like it was a pair of football teams in a match. Demeaning, really.
Now, if someone here knows about French military history==who are these black musketeers? I assume they were a a pre-revolutionary unit, probably disbanded in the Napoleonic reorganization by Carnot--but it's a cool name and I would not mind knowing more.
Et puis si on s'est pris une branlée en 40 c'est aussi parce que les Anglais qui étaient censés être nos alliés nous ont abandonnés, les lâches. On ne peut pas se fier aux sujets de la perfide Albion.
Bien dit, vous avez totalement raison. L'Angleterre après notre défaite avait les moyens de chasser les Allemands de France, mais elle ne l'a pas fait....
De Gaulle s'en rendra compte bien tard, mais garantie notre totale souveraineté
@robert2niro Il était assez logique qu'ils "abandonnent" la France (en rembarquant au passage 120 000 Français) après la formidable démonstration d'incompétence de l'état-major français. C'est eux qui se sont logiquement sentis trahis.
@Rinrince Bataille de France : 90 000 tués et 123 000 blessés côté Français ; 3 500 tués et 13 600 blessés côté Royaume-Uni. Permets-moi de regarder le non-effort de guerre fourni par ces maudits Anglais avec une certaine amertume. On a même pas besoin de Mers-el-Kébir pour haïr ces buveurs bière.
@robert2niro Chiffres à comparer aux forces en présence : on n'attend pas d'un pays qu'il engage tous ses moyens pour défendre un allié qui était censé avoir la "meilleure armée du monde"... La France n'a eu besoin de personne pour s'effondrer en 1940.
L'anglophobie inspire rarement des raisonnements historiques judicieux. En 1945, le Royaume-Uni aura perdu près de 400 000 soldats.
Are you French? Because only a French can say "idiot" and get a mistake so big like a very real ignorant man: I don't like Hitler and Nazi, but I'm always happy when I see old video were German soldiers marched through your "Arc of Triumph" in Paris after the conquest, putting the "Pulcinella" Petain in Vichy to obey Hitler's orders.. if you're so young to not remember that, ask for that to your father. Open your mouth only to thank UK and USA, or today you would sill say "Heil Hitler"...
Here's another French, whose pride is bigger than his ignorance... have you ever seen German soldiers in June 1940 marching throigh you "Arc of Triumph"? ANd then putting your "Pulcinella" Petain in Vichy to obey like a monkey to the Hitler's order? Instead of Open your mouth to say words like idiot and shit, open it only to thank United Kingdom and USA to defeat Hitler, otherwise, my dear French, you would still say "Heil Hitler"...
World history, not only European. What do you mean for military? Specify: war or battles? You can win a war loosing battles, or viceversa. Well, tell me about France: I know that sometimes they won a war loosing battles (Hundred Years' War, World War II), sometimes they won battles, but they lost the war (Devolution War, Spanish Succession War, Napoleonic Wars). Like other Countries. I know only one European Country never defeated: Switzerland.
Forgive me I meant no slur against the French people or the Nation. I love France and visit whenever I can. My elder sister had two very close French friends who came to England right after the war to stay with us, I was five years old. I last saw Therese, now in her 80s, in Paris in 2001 she is my second sister. As for Napoleon, I am angry at what he did to France and the people who suffered terribly because of his ego. England also suffered as did many other countries.
Riiight.... Well first of all you might do well to learn how to spell Gasoline you twit. And if you really think that's all we think about then I seriously suggest driving your head through the nearest wall and stop using up valuable air. Its wasted on buffoons like you.
Not fuck England, Fuck YOU! Britain was a great power at the time! And same for France! But after all, you're American, aren`t you? Coz only dumb idiots like you can say that swear England! Rule Britannia!
Yeah. France. The pride of Europe. Thats why the British and Americans stopped Germany in two wars for you. In three wars in a row Germany kicked your ass, two of them, The Franco Prussian war and WW2 you were completely occupied. If it werent for the Brits and USA then you would all be singing the Horst Wessel song and eating Sour Kraut. Not that there is anything wrong with the Germans... They show more balls than the Froggies.
During the first one world wars the troops Frenchwoman were of better quality than the troops English (in the good memory of the sum) then American little participated in fact in the fights! And for the second world war thank you has your geographique situation ^^
WOW really? The French women were better quality than the English soldiers huh? So thats why you were CRYING and SCREAMING for help from the English and Americans. You morons havent won a war in history and yet the French women are better fighters? How many wars did you lose to England you twit? And for participating very little in WW1 it was the US Marine Corps that stopped the German assault dead from taking Paris you complete ignorant twit. And what does my Geographic situation matter? Idiot.
What makes a difference beautiful between your : "WW1 it was the US Marine Corps that stopped the German assault dead from taking Paris " and the historic reality!
The fact of being to place on one islands you to save always (Hitler having no means to lead a landing on the ground)
What the fuck did you just say??? World War 1 you complete moron Hitler was nothing more than a Infantry gunt with little rank. Yes it was the US Marines that stopped the Kaisers army from taking Paris. And we dont live on an Island.... The USA is almost a continental country and we share a border with only two other countries. Unless you count Cuba. Do you have a fuckin clue what you are saying???
It cracks me up how you never make any sense. You morons got your ass beat. In every war. You remain the only country in the world to lose two wars to Italy. Even the dutch handed you your asses. And you can keep your big potency to yourself, thats just nasty. Oh yes those Germans sure had a fear of you morons after the 7 years war, then the Napoleonic wars, then the Franko Prussian war, then WW1 then WW2... Yup... Every one shakes in fear over the Surrender Monkies!
What is your problem with the French? They played a pivotal role in winning our Revolution against the Brits, and have a long, gallant and mostly successful military history. You claim they've never beaten the Brits but they did beat them in the 100 Years War, driving them out of France, plus in our Revolution. Britain has never successfully taken on the French by themselves, they always had to be part of a coalition because on land they were never strong enough.
As for the Germans, they beat the Prussians in the War of 4th Coalition--easily. The Prussians came out of the Napoleonic Wars humiliated even though they were on the winning side as they lost most of the battles they were in! It took four major nations combined to bring down France. The Prussians came back with a vengeance in 1870 but their performance in the Nap Wars was poor--by their own admission.
Italy? When did Italy beat France? In WW II the Italians tried to invade France along with their German allies and were easily repulsed, so that the French refused to deal with them during the surrender at Compeigne--and Germans recognizing the Italians had done nothing didn't bring them.
You tell that ignoramus what for. France has beat every one at least once during the wars of its history. Napoleon almost beat Wellington at Waterloo. If Blucher had not showed up, Wellington would have been killed during the pursuit after the british line routed.
Please, Napoleon5005, it's always well known that such a strategy was planned by Wellington and Blücher: the first one to attack first then, once the French troops were tired (defeated or winner, it doesn't matter), the second one to arrive with fresh troops... It's something written in any war manual: allies must attack the single enemy separately when have the numbers.
That is totally false! Blucher only got to Wellington because he got lucky. If the moron of Grouchy had marched to the sound of the guns as Desaix did at Marengo, Blucher's arrival would not have mattered whatsoever and the so-called strategy would have collapsed because Grouchy would have been on the Allied Right like Blucher. He would have pushed through and with the arrival of the new troops the Guards' Attack on the British center would have succeeded and Wellington killed.
LOL! Sorry, Napoleon5005, but it seems an answer like Japaneses said after the battle of Midway: because the fog, they lost it... Napoleon was one of the best commander-in-chief because is huge capability to move the troops in the right time, so if Grouchy arrived late, it's not matter of luck or not!! Or Napoleon got wrong in choice Grouchy, or there was a different "soul" in the French hearts...
Lancial, that was NOT Wellington and Bluchers strategy, first one to attack first then, once the French troops were tired (defeated or winner it doesnt matter), the second one to arrive with fresh troops. It would have been a stupid strategy, violating the principle that dividing your force is usually a recipe for disaster as u can b destroyed in detail. Their plan was to unite their forces and attack as one force. Nap screwed up those plans by getting between them at Quatre-bras & Ligny.
You're right for the initial strategy. But the value of a commander raises when he's able to change strategy in a real time. When the Duke of Wellington spies told him that French supports were in delay respect to the Germans, the British army started to wear the French troops... waiting for Germans that arrived before French... I suggest some books, like Cookson, Roberts and many others.
You made it sound as if that was the original strategy. Plan B was for Wellington to regroup on Mt St Jean, hold his position until reinforced by Blucher and with combined forces defeat the French. The plan wasn't as you made it sound for the Brits to attack the French, then the Prussians attack, trying to wear down the French individually. The coalition troops had to combine because neither army was strong enough alone to beat Napoleon.
Plan B, using your words, was evaluated since the first time by the Duke of Wellington as alternative strategy, so like the main one. Napoleon's best skill was the quick troop movement, so Allies cannot eliminate the possibility that Napoleon would be able to get in contact with one of the single army before the joining. But, as told, the Duke of Wellington knew very well the battlefield, evaluating that case: Frenchs slowed down and British army "obliged" to wear them, waiting for Germans.
Americans? Well, without us you would still be a group of peasant in a UK colony.
Now you're fat and uneducated. So not going to spend my time talkign with you.
British? We won that, we won this. You never (never!) won a single war against France without being part of a coalition of many counties. France usually get rid of your kind by sending a girl. Enough to deal with your kind.
Draksen, are you joking? Do you know Algerie? Poor arab people defeated the France, and French army escaped like "lapin" (may be in your language is clear...). Also, don't forget that in Vietnam USA arrived because France was not able to get war... Americans supported war for more than 10 years, were Drench escaped after few years of battles... all the world know that, and stop with false statements!!
You wrote: "are you offent"... someone translate what you have written to me: in English sounds like shit... well, you're demonstrating what's a French: more or less, like the tale of the wolf and the sheep... do you know?
lancial1963, you lost your Vietnam war, you lost it. Period. It was YOUR choice to go there, and you lost. Congratulation. And well, about Algérie, learn history before posting crap over the internet. Not going to waste my time talking with american rednecks and other idiotic brits. And especially not in english.
@Draksen Ne généralisons pas, c'est pas parce qu'il y a une poignée d'imbéciles qui s'amusent à refaire l'histoire et à venir insulter les français qu'il faut écorcher vif tout les Anglais. Y'a des cons de partout (même en France ^^).
Mais j'ai dans l'ensemble des très mauvaise experiences de l'internet dans les domaines historiques couverts par les anglo-saxons, et je tire à vue! ;)
troisieme means 3rd, deuxieme means 2nd... you're informing us that you're NOT THE NUMEBR ONE. And you've not understood that I'm not an american or britain... very good. But it's normal... from Catholics and papists that fuck child!!!
Tu vois, c'est à ca que je faisais reference, les imbéciles heureux comme lancial1963 qui pullulent sur la toile un peu partout. La moindre phrase pour defendre la France ou la francophonie est l'on nous taxe de chauvins, mais par contre eux... eux ils ont droit de nous polluer la vue avec leur patriotisme malsain, leur histoire revisitée.
Apart from your great miseducation (I have never defined you or the other "gentleman" Dupleix60 by words like "imbeciles" or "sous merde": I don't speak French, but I have who can translate for me... do you know that about 100 years ago the French Marquis Albert De Dion still got into duel with persons who got insults?), just to inform you that a certain Albert Einstein got his PhD in the Zürich ETH... or you'd like to start a discussion saying that Sorbonne is the best school in the world?
lancial1963, tu dois avoir un PhD de connerie appliquée option imbécilté, c'est tout ce qui ressort de tes propos décousus.
Et si tu ne parles pas francais, c'est trop con pour toi, et tant mieux pour nous, car avoir à lire tes idioties en francais, pour ma part, me serait insupportable.
Another French "gentlemen"... what a kind of bloody people you are! Read the comment to Duple-something: same for you! Please, explain why, if French is the best in the world, how is possible you're not the first... poor baby that can only cry using very bad words... good, very good, "BRAVO!"
When did Italy beat France? May be you've forgotten the Turin's battle, 1706: Vittorio Amedeo II, Duke of Savoy (he became Sardinia king few years later, because that victory) and his cousin Eugenio von Savoy (commander in chief of the imperials) defeated Louis XIV army, allied of Spain king Philippe V. That war was in the context of the Spanish Succession War:
So, I could say that Napoleaon was not a French conquerer, but a Corse conquerer... Italy was CONQUERED by the King of Sardinia, infact King Victory Emanuel II did not change his number to "I", but held the "II" indeed to highlight that Italy was a Savoy conquest. Please, note that Napoleon III helped only to conquest Milan, because he got separate peace with Austria, he didnm't respect the agreement with Kingdom of Sardinia...
Please, don't play with words: Italy is a country born in 1946. Before that date the Savoy Kingdom was existing and in 1706 the Duke of Savoy defeated the French army... if you'd like to play with words, I'll say that Savoy people defeated French... if you prefer to have lost a war against a very little country...
Right for ancient Roman, but it's more than right for Napoleon: Napoleon Bonaparte was a member of a family coming from Tuscany: he had more Italian blood than any French!! Biology does not matter with that... Gents, that so strong (and, IMHO, absurde) "French pride" that I read in those comments is a bit out of any reason in the modern united Europe. Sorry, but only reading those comments, any pride of any person that's not French is the natural answer...
Of the big American has lira of good book of history you should, know that the French fleet won several times English, during the independance war for exemple ). Your culture limited always makes you metre forward our defeat of 1940. France power continals has in times of grey to privilege the defence of the territory national thus marine...
Oh yes. The French have won BATTLES but on the grand scale you idiots lost the WAR. Learn the difference. My culture limited makes me what for the ass kicking the Germans gave you in 1940? Hey dumbass. You were defeated in EVERY war you have EVER fought with Great Britain and Germany. You dont want to talk about WW2? Ok lets talk about the Franko Prussian War in the 1890's? How about that? How about you got your ASS kicked by MEXICO in the 1860's! How about the beating you got in the 7 years war
I leave you in Martian good of the war of the Vietnam! How thought that In contact with of more than 1000 and can survive without won by war. Alone a not much thought idiot it.
Christ you are an idiot. You got beat out of Vietnam quicker and worse than we did. Remember dip shit Vietnam was a FRENCH colony. Man you are historically ignorant aint you?
Scottishconfederate, Now please be objective when you mention history. Yes, in (almost) every war between the french and the british, the French lost. However, in world war II, for instance, the french army was feared. It was even seen as the strongest army in Europe by both the British and the germans. Their defea came as a big surprise! But you can criticise that if you want. After all, that suggests the French are very good at "pretending" to be good :p
The French Army of WW2 was feared? Are you serious? I could not POSSIBLY disagree with you more. Firstly the French army was still carrying old out classed weapons from WW1 and its uniforms and equipment were completely out dated. The British Army and Italian armies had made more advancements than the French. France was also recovering from a crippling depression so it had no money to fund and update a large and powerful army.
I totally agree with you on the fact that the French army was on a very low point, but that is not what I was talking about. Whether they were strong or not (and they were not), they were feared. And for the question of where I got this the answer is simple; in the English history books I had at school (Yes, I'm one of the rare french who got an english education :P).
Well I must ask on what basis were they feared? Poorly equipped, decently trained by but no means exemplary, and poorly paid (at the time) soldiers who are commanded by officers who still had their near defeat at the hands of the Kaisers were it not for a flood of eager but inexperienced US soldiers that managed to plug the gap so to speak. I do not presume to say that US involvement changed the course of the war but rather quickened the end of an already strained to the breaking point Germany.
Well, where I read it, they did not mention exactly what was "feared" but suggested it was a "Brave" army. I would guess that the fear then originated from the persuasive skills of French dignitaries, the creation of the Ligne Maginot, and the history of France being much stronger on its own ground (it's not like anyone feared the French would attack, just that they would be impossible to invade
Well for being impossible the Germans certainly had little trouble. Not to mention when have fortified positions ever really been truly successful in defending an entire country? Now as for Brave? Certainly, I will agree to that. But feared and brave are NOT the same by any stretch. No one quakes in their boots when they think of Finland but the Fins have gave many a country a head thumping in their history including Russia in the 1930's... Or was it the 20's? Regardless. You get the idea.
Actually I don't think they were that brave anyway, but the fact that the French army got kicked out of the game at a "polish"-like speed just shows that it was a weak army. But it actually did come as a surprise for most because people actually thought that the French were stronger.
Moral being low does not mean some weren't brave. France's military history is a tarnished and shameful one. But I would never dare to say that men who died for their country or willingly became exiles in England during France's occupation aren't brave. As for France being a feared and great power... They still remain the only country to lose a war to Mexico. Vietnam for them was a bigger embarrassment for them than us. And Italy had little trouble mopping them up twice.
mostly because there were wars or battles going along in our country every twenty years since Caesar... But we are still here, enjoying our wines and women and we just don't give a s... about your comments...
Oh, by the way, did you entered Moscow in arms ? Our ancestors did (with the the help of some enlisted germans to be honest)
@alleuze16 Mine did :P im Polish... We saved the world numerous times! From russians, from turks, from commies, england from germans and thousand times again ;p still - everyone in europe fucked us through centuries :)
Maybe it's my mistake. You said the French never won a war, and if you just thinking of those with the germans and with the English, fine, but they did win most of the wars they engaged in. And for England, you could consider the independence war as a war between the French and the British since they actually were the most prominent protagonists. And that war, England lost.
I take it that you mean the American War for independence? Yes you could say France won that war but it was not really a war France and England did much fighting. To my knowledge there was no fighting conducted on the European continent and only some minor engagements in the Caribbean. France hardly became involved until the end of a war that was already HIGHLY unpopular in England. Whats more is the French got screwed out of thew whole deal by the Americans. (At the end I mean.)
That is not true. The French became involved in 1778 and started arriving in 70 They were a crucial part of the war since the beginning sending money and supplies to us to finance our war.
I leave you in Martian good of the war of the Vietnam! How thought that In contact with of more than 1000 yeays and can survive without won by war. Alone a not much thought idiot it.
Scottish Confederate, the defeat against Mexico was not a French loss. Napoleon III pulled his troops out of Mexico on the request of us the United States. France was violating the Monroe Doctrine, which I disagree with how it was used. The forces of the Second Mexican Empire were defeated, not France. I think the point that tokra4040 is trying to make is that France is never defeated by one power alone. The only Exceptions are WWII and The Indo-China War. I just want to present the facts.
The defeat against Mexico was not a French loss.... Firstly in that sentence you contradict yourself. Secondly the French Army could not subjugate the Mexican people. Bottom line you lost a war to Mexico. I did present the facts. I never present anything else but. I never wanted to insult the French but some of these idiots are historically ignorant and arrogant beyond any reasonable doubt.
The French Army did subjugate Mexico. I should know. I am of Mexican heritage and know a thing or too. Anyways the Second Mexican Empire did have a chance until America came out of the Civil War. Then Juarez begged and pleaded for America to declare war on France. America was not going to declare war on France for obvious reasons. We did send weapons though and that re-animated the resistance. France did not lose the war. The war ended in about 1863 and the Empire was established.
Oh yeah I forgot the Napoleonic Wars were more than one war and Napoleon's France won every single one of them except the War of the 8th Coalition(Waterloo). All of those counted and all of those were important. France won big wars. The 100 years war for example. The Wars of Charlemagne. Our American Revolution for Christ's Sake. We owe our entire exsistance to France. I would like you to have a little respect for France at least. Yes France has lost many battles but it has also won many wars.
If you are going to say bad things about someone or some country it would be as well to have some competence in the language.
You just make yourself look very foolish.
Britain DID indeed rule the oceans of the world in a way that no other nation ever has or ever will.
Nelson did not just win the battle of Trafalgar he destroyed the French and Spanish fleets. This resulted in a huge decline in the power and influence of France which she has never regained and never will.
You are an idiot. You dont even know what the devil you are saying and it makes no sense. Enjoy losing all your future wars as you have your past wars oh France the surrender nation.
For islands in views of the name thought spoken in English... Then to leave us absolutely not lost every war enlisted men against the German and the Englishmen! France these often beating alone counters an alliance of several nation!
Yup. Thats right. The Brits never sank your sad ass navies in every war you two had. Nope old Nelson sure failed in sinking old Bonies fleet didnt he? Only war you dorks won was the French Revolution and you beat yourselves!
je trouve tout les commentaires politiques, francophiles etc ... déplorables. on est là pour écouter de la musique et réagir sur LA musique.
Trés bonne marche. Est ce que quelqu un sait qui la composé ?
bibouba 3 weeks ago
@bibouba je suis assez d'accord sur le principe de parler de la musique mais en quoi des commentaires francophiles sont ils déplorable??tu n'aimes pas ta culture?
macccgui 2 weeks ago
@bibouba et je pense c est Lully qui en est le compositeur
macccgui 2 weeks ago
Après toute défaite, chaque vaincu incrimine toujours ses voisins – depuis juin 40 on a des tonnes de livres et d'articles et de discours où les Français incriminent les Anglais et réciproquement, et entre Français, la gauche, la droite, les aviateurs, les juifs, etc. En réalité, même si l'Angleterre et la France avaient été mieux dirigées et en meilleur état, personne ne pouvait gagner contre l'Allemagne adossée à l'URSS.
Hippophilee 2 months ago
Wonderful piece of music. Bravo!
TheAlumni2000 3 months ago
This is one of the best marches ever composed!C'est magnifique!Merci La France!
Sowka1967 6 months ago
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Que les anglois et américains aillent se faire foutre
Gloire à la France!
DGSE 7 months ago
Que les anglois et maericains aillent se faire foutre
Gloire à la France!
DGSE 7 months ago
Je crois a la France, une sainte, catholique et apostolique.
vonMohl 7 months ago
@vonMohl on dirait vous parlez d'une femme!
Harmonieuniverselle 7 months ago
@Harmonieuniverselle il manque la virgule après une.
vonMohl 7 months ago
@vonMohl non, je ne crois pas.
Harmonieuniverselle 7 months ago
@Harmonieuniverselle c'est un extrait du credo - symbole de Nicée-Constantinople. Si vous n'etes pas chretien cela ne vous dira rien.
vonMohl 6 months ago
@vonMohl Si, je connais, mais il s'agit de l'église, vous, vous parlez de la France.
Harmonieuniverselle 6 months ago
@Harmonieuniverselle Pardi, bien sur que je parle de la France, comme de la fille ainee de l'Eglise Catrholique.
vonMohl 6 months ago
@vonMohl Mais c'est une vieille histoire ça !
Harmonieuniverselle 6 months ago
@Harmonieuniverselle Pour moi, la seule qui m' interesse.
vonMohl 6 months ago
@vonMohl à votre aise.
Harmonieuniverselle 6 months ago
C'est pas la France qui s'est mangé une branlée en 40 c'est la ripoublik avec le front crapulaire, depuis qu'on est une démoncratie on a pas arrêté de se manger des peignés par des monarchies ou des régimes totalitaires. Avant on était pas si mauvais, on était même au même niveau que l'Allemagne en tout point voire mieux (et c'est pas peu dire). Mais c'est comme la Russie, ça devait être la première puissance mondiale en 1920-1930, mais c'était sans compter sur les bolcheviks...
Eutedetesto 8 months ago
@Eutedetesto Et la collaboration n'est-ce pas?
Boutdumonde1 6 months ago
@Eutedetesto Faut arrêter de se toucher sur l'Allemagne, la France n'était pas au même niveau que l'Allemagne (de la Renaissance jusqu'au premier Empire), elle était loin, très loin devant que se soit militairement ou culturellement. Se manger des peignées ? Napoléon s'est battu seul (avec les braves Polonais) contre les Russes, les Espagnols, Les Britanniques, Les Prussiens, Les Autrichiens et les Portugais... et ils ont eu chaud au fesses les monarchistes.
RattlesHead 5 months ago 2
@RattlesHead en effet. D'ailleurs au vu de l'histoire il aurait mieux fait de s'appuyer d'avantage sur la Pologne qui était notre seul véritable et sincère allié à l'époque, plutôt que la sacrifier à moitié pour calmer (temporairement) le fourbe Alexandre...
bidon3332000 3 months ago
A march back from the time when it still was a Royal Kingdom, enemy with England and had an interest in beeing a great power in Europe.
Very nice march, beautyfull uniforms nice performance.
Greetings from Denmark..!!!!
Vive la Roi.
Vonwar01 8 months ago
difficile a croire ces peintures lorsqu'on pense a la france lamentable d'aujourd'hui
;) lol je vous plein les francais, (j'en suis pas un)
klebehss 9 months ago
@klebehss I don't know from what country you are but you don't make it proud, I bet, idiot!
Califrenchy 8 months ago
Marvellous.
sasdasfasgas 11 months ago
ok avec toi contre l'anglais,toujours contre la france.
victor46865 1 year ago
SO much nonse in here..why can't you guys enjoy music and stop talking stupid stuff.
This is an awesome March.
Tabaroste 1 year ago 2
@Tabaroste Their are arguing because they don't want to work !! (I'm french ^^)
AmiralSAS 11 months ago
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Tabaroste 1 year ago
STUPENDA !!!
Grevale67 1 year ago
perso je vois pas ce que viennent faire les commentaires sur la seconde guerre mondiale sur un musique militaire royale du XVII et debut XVIII
gritchie 1 year ago 4
@gritchie
Ben je me posais la même question :)
KingBouloo 1 year ago
@ Robert: c'est juste que l'Allemagne était beaucoup trop forte !
youpiel 1 year ago
si ils ont fui a dunkerque avec des millers de francais aussi. C'est que nous étions encerclés par les allemands venus de belgique et les allemands venus des ardennes qui ont courus jusqu'à la manche formant une ligne (sedan,manche) donc aucune chance pour eux, pris en tenaille heureusement que les anglais avaient leur navires ils on même utilisés des petits navires de pecheurs. Une centaine de francais se sont d'ailleurs sacrifiés pour couvrir la retraite, churchill en a même fait 1 citation
bipbip28 1 year ago
Je vois que il y a du sacré niveau sur la 2nde Guerre.
Si la France à perdu c'est a cause...
- une mauvaise préparation, la France avait les meilleurs chars tout de même, le problème c'est qu'on était resté à la technique 1ere guerre. Le Char appuyait l'infanterie. Alors que les allemands possédaient des divisions entières de blindés.
-les allemands on quand même attaqué la belgique et les pays bas alors qu'ils étaient neutres...
-les anglais ne nous ont jamais abandonné n'importe quoi
bipbip28 1 year ago 3
@bipbip28 ya pas que ca ..
ya surtout une politique faible qui na pas donné a son armée l'ame et l'envie de gagner .. surtout apres la 1 er guerre mondial , les gens savaient ce quils les attendaient si ils résistent..
Djarzel 1 year ago
@bipbip28 Tout a fait d'accord, je vais même être plus précis ;)
Les blindés allemands disposaient de la radio les français non ^^ (ils utilisaient des drapeaux il me semble pour communiquer), les allemands avaient 3 groupes de 1000 chars et la France 1000 groupes de 3 chars (c'est une représentation...)
L'Allemagne avait de l'expérience: guerre d'espagne (pour la Luftwaffe), et la Pologne. Et la France... comme tu le dis tactique de 14-18
andy080290 1 year ago
@bipbip28 Si l'Angleterre serait restée elle aurait probablement été défaite aussi donc qui aurait combattu si vaillamment la Luftwaffe et la Kriegsmarine?
Je suis presque sûr que l'Allemagne aurait gagné sans cela...
andy080290 1 year ago
Is this march under the French Monarchy?
Supduplemup 1 year ago
@Supduplemup - Yes, the mousquetaires were eliminated under Louis XVI for budgetary reasons ánd for the simple fact that a light infantry armed with muskets became oldfashioned. This means that indeed in France the mousquetaires only existed under the Bourbon Kings.
Boerenfox 1 year ago
bad asses
LeMousqueteerBleu 1 year ago
1789, le pêché originel. Tous nos maux viennent de là. La défaite de 40 aussi car le nivellement par le bas a commencé en 1789.
royaliste2000 1 year ago
@royaliste2000 1789 debut de la délivrance du peuple français et de la domination française sur l'europe! AZAaaa!!!!
hommechauvesouris 1 year ago
@royaliste2000 tout a fait ok avec toi camarade . royalement
monarchie1 1 year ago
I live in America and I am PROUD of MY FRENCH HERITAGE
umbrum2 1 year ago 9
Misérables français qui accusent les autres d'être responsables de leurs propres maux! Vous êtes décadents!
Il y a deux cents ans, on se battait bien mieux que ça et sous la monarchie, les pays ennemis nous redoutaient.
fralouis 1 year ago
@fralouis Sauf l´Espagne qui se battait fièrement en France,en Italie et en Flandre.Souviens toi de Rocroi.
Vive l´Europe!
9suizo 1 year ago
si ont s'est pris une branlée en 40 c est a cause de nos generaux et de leur tactic d'enlisement ont aurait pu etre a berlin si ont (les generaux ) c etait bougé leur putain de cul au lieux de se cloitré a maginot putain! Rien a voir avec les anglais dunkerque etait nessaire ! t.d petit fils d ancien combatant de la france libre (campagne d italie et sud de la france)
gogole888 1 year ago 2
@gogole888 Grâce à ce con de Pétin qui n'a pas voulu suivre De Gaulle (qui voulait mécaniser l'armée), il se croyait encore à l'époque de Verdun
MrStef3103 1 year ago
Sehr schön , gefällt mir !!!
Rotkehlchen748 1 year ago
Great music!!
Lusitani74 1 year ago 3
Vous ne pouvez donc pas arréter de parler de trouble politico-militaire deux minutes et juste apprécier la musique..?
thelordnazgul76 1 year ago
Very nice
faustoj26a 1 year ago 3
Les attaques personnelles sur une personne dont vous ignorer tout sont aussi valables que ses textes inhérents à l'idiotie. "Je respecte les autres peuples et mêmes les Américains,(en particulier ceux qui sont enterrés en Normandie)". DUPLEIX: le débarquement américain c'est du pipi de caille par rapport aux assauts soviétiques. La redevabilité envers les USA me semble quelque peu... ambiguë. Tout ça parce que l'URSS n'est toujours pas perçue objectivement.
Ryusuken55 1 year ago 5
Lancial1963: Sur un précédent commentaire, tu comparais Napoleon à un fasciste! C'est bien la preuve que tu n'es pas un spécialiste! Une personne intelligente ne peut comparer un chef d'état de plus de 200ans avec une idéologie d' à peine 90 ans. Mais moi non plus, je n'aime pas particulièrement Napoléon, mais je prends l'histoire de France avec tout son passé. Ces moments glorieux (beaucoup) et ceux qui le sont moins (très peu)! Au lieu de faire le professeur, retourne à l'école!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
Lancial 1963:Je respecte les autres peuples et mêmes les Américains,(en particulier ceux qui sont enterrés en Normandie). Nous sommes une des plus vieilles nation du monde. La France est la descendante directe de la civilisation Gallo-romaine.En 1500 ans, des millions de Français sont morts avec honneur pour leur terre . Il faut respecter cela! Les critiques des certains Anglo-saxons ne sont que le reflet d'une jalousie et d'une méconnaissance totale de l'histoire du monde!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
I come from Switzerland, my mother only comes from USA. I speak German, English, Italian. French is the 3rd? Well, it's not the 1st! I've a PhD from University of Zurich. Try to study history by international books, not "patriotic" book of story: France is well known over the world to be too much "patriotic"... I see that when someone answers by facts, a French begins to get a lot of excuses, of pedant details (USA politics, indeed!): why do you apply details on USA/UK and not on your France?
lancial1963 1 year ago
Alger battle, you know!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
French (1500years ago), Chinese and Iranians (more than 2000 years), ..... are old and great nations,
you will deaths before us.
bye bye.... VIVA MEXICO!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
I'm tired to read comments from all those french persons that believe to be the best of the world... indeed? Nevertheless, one thing is 100% sure: France is not the number one in the world, so rest in peace. If you'd like to believe that, for me it's OK: you're blind... Napoleon was like a fascist or nazi dictator: same story, more or less. If you think USA are finished, good luck with Chinese people! P.S. - Unfortunately, I do not speak French... and it would be better for someone ;-)
lancial1963 1 year ago
French is so difficult for you!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
@dennykdoe : The black musketeers are a company of the king's musketeer.
RattlesHead 1 year ago
I've been reading the comments below. You guys argue about "who beat who" like it was a pair of football teams in a match. Demeaning, really.
Now, if someone here knows about French military history==who are these black musketeers? I assume they were a a pre-revolutionary unit, probably disbanded in the Napoleonic reorganization by Carnot--but it's a cool name and I would not mind knowing more.
dennykdoe 1 year ago
Et puis si on s'est pris une branlée en 40 c'est aussi parce que les Anglais qui étaient censés être nos alliés nous ont abandonnés, les lâches. On ne peut pas se fier aux sujets de la perfide Albion.
robert2niro 1 year ago 20
@robert2niro
Bien dit, vous avez totalement raison. L'Angleterre après notre défaite avait les moyens de chasser les Allemands de France, mais elle ne l'a pas fait....
De Gaulle s'en rendra compte bien tard, mais garantie notre totale souveraineté
FrancoisGevaudan 1 year ago
@robert2niro c'est pas non plus que à cause de ça...^^"
crusellweber 10 months ago
@robert2niro Il était assez logique qu'ils "abandonnent" la France (en rembarquant au passage 120 000 Français) après la formidable démonstration d'incompétence de l'état-major français. C'est eux qui se sont logiquement sentis trahis.
Rinrince 3 months ago
@Rinrince Bataille de France : 90 000 tués et 123 000 blessés côté Français ; 3 500 tués et 13 600 blessés côté Royaume-Uni. Permets-moi de regarder le non-effort de guerre fourni par ces maudits Anglais avec une certaine amertume. On a même pas besoin de Mers-el-Kébir pour haïr ces buveurs bière.
robert2niro 3 months ago
@robert2niro Chiffres à comparer aux forces en présence : on n'attend pas d'un pays qu'il engage tous ses moyens pour défendre un allié qui était censé avoir la "meilleure armée du monde"... La France n'a eu besoin de personne pour s'effondrer en 1940.
L'anglophobie inspire rarement des raisonnements historiques judicieux. En 1945, le Royaume-Uni aura perdu près de 400 000 soldats.
Rinrince 3 months ago
Sorry for my English, but my language is French et je t'emmerde (can you translate?)!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
you are idiots and not cultivated.
Austria, Spain, England, Germany, attacked France but theire never conquer it.
We are always here, your countries there, your languages are some shit.
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago 2
Are you French? Because only a French can say "idiot" and get a mistake so big like a very real ignorant man: I don't like Hitler and Nazi, but I'm always happy when I see old video were German soldiers marched through your "Arc of Triumph" in Paris after the conquest, putting the "Pulcinella" Petain in Vichy to obey Hitler's orders.. if you're so young to not remember that, ask for that to your father. Open your mouth only to thank UK and USA, or today you would sill say "Heil Hitler"...
lancial1963 1 year ago
va te faire enculer espece de sous de merde!
you anderstand?
USA is finish! Irak, Viet nam, Corée, Somalie? Afghanistan.... Against Germanie you're 10 vs 1.
English are of liar,sharpers and thieves.
Sorry for my English! Mais je parle Francais et je t'emmerde!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
Here's another French, whose pride is bigger than his ignorance... have you ever seen German soldiers in June 1940 marching throigh you "Arc of Triumph"? ANd then putting your "Pulcinella" Petain in Vichy to obey like a monkey to the Hitler's order? Instead of Open your mouth to say words like idiot and shit, open it only to thank United Kingdom and USA to defeat Hitler, otherwise, my dear French, you would still say "Heil Hitler"...
lancial1963 1 year ago
@lancial1963 Are you familar with European history ?
xxAdelineFcexx 1 year ago
World history, not only European. What do you mean for military? Specify: war or battles? You can win a war loosing battles, or viceversa. Well, tell me about France: I know that sometimes they won a war loosing battles (Hundred Years' War, World War II), sometimes they won battles, but they lost the war (Devolution War, Spanish Succession War, Napoleonic Wars). Like other Countries. I know only one European Country never defeated: Switzerland.
lancial1963 1 year ago
Forgive me I meant no slur against the French people or the Nation. I love France and visit whenever I can. My elder sister had two very close French friends who came to England right after the war to stay with us, I was five years old. I last saw Therese, now in her 80s, in Paris in 2001 she is my second sister. As for Napoleon, I am angry at what he did to France and the people who suffered terribly because of his ego. England also suffered as did many other countries.
brit1066 2 years ago
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tokra4040 2 years ago
americans are bad dogs that only think about gasolin and military themselves !
Babora12 2 years ago
Riiight.... Well first of all you might do well to learn how to spell Gasoline you twit. And if you really think that's all we think about then I seriously suggest driving your head through the nearest wall and stop using up valuable air. Its wasted on buffoons like you.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Come on why don't us French and English forget about the pass and make friends :), happy days eh:).
mastercheff1216 2 years ago
Pourquoi choisir juste les Mousquetaires noirs comme chanson? Leur histoire? Bien sincèrement
fadabip 2 years ago
Not fuck England, Fuck YOU! Britain was a great power at the time! And same for France! But after all, you're American, aren`t you? Coz only dumb idiots like you can say that swear England! Rule Britannia!
455dragos 2 years ago
France also was a major power for you!
And France is not which follows the America as a good dog!
Friendly.
tokra4040 2 years ago
Yeah. France. The pride of Europe. Thats why the British and Americans stopped Germany in two wars for you. In three wars in a row Germany kicked your ass, two of them, The Franco Prussian war and WW2 you were completely occupied. If it werent for the Brits and USA then you would all be singing the Horst Wessel song and eating Sour Kraut. Not that there is anything wrong with the Germans... They show more balls than the Froggies.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
During the first one world wars the troops Frenchwoman were of better quality than the troops English (in the good memory of the sum) then American little participated in fact in the fights! And for the second world war thank you has your geographique situation ^^
tokra4040 2 years ago
WOW really? The French women were better quality than the English soldiers huh? So thats why you were CRYING and SCREAMING for help from the English and Americans. You morons havent won a war in history and yet the French women are better fighters? How many wars did you lose to England you twit? And for participating very little in WW1 it was the US Marine Corps that stopped the German assault dead from taking Paris you complete ignorant twit. And what does my Geographic situation matter? Idiot.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
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tokra4040 2 years ago
What makes a difference beautiful between your : "WW1 it was the US Marine Corps that stopped the German assault dead from taking Paris " and the historic reality!
The fact of being to place on one islands you to save always (Hitler having no means to lead a landing on the ground)
tokra4040 2 years ago
What the fuck did you just say??? World War 1 you complete moron Hitler was nothing more than a Infantry gunt with little rank. Yes it was the US Marines that stopped the Kaisers army from taking Paris. And we dont live on an Island.... The USA is almost a continental country and we share a border with only two other countries. Unless you count Cuba. Do you have a fuckin clue what you are saying???
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
The French army is, by its history, often pioneer of numerous technical and tactical innovations.
tokra4040 2 years ago
I will agree with that. But so are many many other countries.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
We have the biggest potency of Europe was, our armies were feared, not not delimited in our defeat to be objective
tokra4040 2 years ago
It cracks me up how you never make any sense. You morons got your ass beat. In every war. You remain the only country in the world to lose two wars to Italy. Even the dutch handed you your asses. And you can keep your big potency to yourself, thats just nasty. Oh yes those Germans sure had a fear of you morons after the 7 years war, then the Napoleonic wars, then the Franko Prussian war, then WW1 then WW2... Yup... Every one shakes in fear over the Surrender Monkies!
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
What is your problem with the French? They played a pivotal role in winning our Revolution against the Brits, and have a long, gallant and mostly successful military history. You claim they've never beaten the Brits but they did beat them in the 100 Years War, driving them out of France, plus in our Revolution. Britain has never successfully taken on the French by themselves, they always had to be part of a coalition because on land they were never strong enough.
IuniusPalladius 2 years ago 5
As for the Germans, they beat the Prussians in the War of 4th Coalition--easily. The Prussians came out of the Napoleonic Wars humiliated even though they were on the winning side as they lost most of the battles they were in! It took four major nations combined to bring down France. The Prussians came back with a vengeance in 1870 but their performance in the Nap Wars was poor--by their own admission.
IuniusPalladius 2 years ago 3
Italy? When did Italy beat France? In WW II the Italians tried to invade France along with their German allies and were easily repulsed, so that the French refused to deal with them during the surrender at Compeigne--and Germans recognizing the Italians had done nothing didn't bring them.
IuniusPalladius 2 years ago 4
You tell that ignoramus what for. France has beat every one at least once during the wars of its history. Napoleon almost beat Wellington at Waterloo. If Blucher had not showed up, Wellington would have been killed during the pursuit after the british line routed.
Napoleon5005 2 years ago
Please, Napoleon5005, it's always well known that such a strategy was planned by Wellington and Blücher: the first one to attack first then, once the French troops were tired (defeated or winner, it doesn't matter), the second one to arrive with fresh troops... It's something written in any war manual: allies must attack the single enemy separately when have the numbers.
lancial1963 2 years ago
That is totally false! Blucher only got to Wellington because he got lucky. If the moron of Grouchy had marched to the sound of the guns as Desaix did at Marengo, Blucher's arrival would not have mattered whatsoever and the so-called strategy would have collapsed because Grouchy would have been on the Allied Right like Blucher. He would have pushed through and with the arrival of the new troops the Guards' Attack on the British center would have succeeded and Wellington killed.
Napoleon5005 2 years ago
LOL! Sorry, Napoleon5005, but it seems an answer like Japaneses said after the battle of Midway: because the fog, they lost it... Napoleon was one of the best commander-in-chief because is huge capability to move the troops in the right time, so if Grouchy arrived late, it's not matter of luck or not!! Or Napoleon got wrong in choice Grouchy, or there was a different "soul" in the French hearts...
lancial1963 2 years ago
Lancial, that was NOT Wellington and Bluchers strategy, first one to attack first then, once the French troops were tired (defeated or winner it doesnt matter), the second one to arrive with fresh troops. It would have been a stupid strategy, violating the principle that dividing your force is usually a recipe for disaster as u can b destroyed in detail. Their plan was to unite their forces and attack as one force. Nap screwed up those plans by getting between them at Quatre-bras & Ligny.
IuniusPalladius 2 years ago
You're right for the initial strategy. But the value of a commander raises when he's able to change strategy in a real time. When the Duke of Wellington spies told him that French supports were in delay respect to the Germans, the British army started to wear the French troops... waiting for Germans that arrived before French... I suggest some books, like Cookson, Roberts and many others.
lancial1963 2 years ago
You made it sound as if that was the original strategy. Plan B was for Wellington to regroup on Mt St Jean, hold his position until reinforced by Blucher and with combined forces defeat the French. The plan wasn't as you made it sound for the Brits to attack the French, then the Prussians attack, trying to wear down the French individually. The coalition troops had to combine because neither army was strong enough alone to beat Napoleon.
IuniusPalladius 2 years ago
Plan B, using your words, was evaluated since the first time by the Duke of Wellington as alternative strategy, so like the main one. Napoleon's best skill was the quick troop movement, so Allies cannot eliminate the possibility that Napoleon would be able to get in contact with one of the single army before the joining. But, as told, the Duke of Wellington knew very well the battlefield, evaluating that case: Frenchs slowed down and British army "obliged" to wear them, waiting for Germans.
lancial1963 2 years ago
snif snif...
mais, je me trompe ou ca pue l'anglo-saxon haineux ici?! Mais non, c'est bien ca, l'anglo-saxon haineux et jaloux.
Draksen 1 year ago 30
A few words in your mongrel language, cause I dont expect you to have any culture, fat americans and ugly-face-brits.
France>anglo-saxon pooheads.
We know, and you know it too, but it drives you mad.
Draksen 1 year ago
Americans? Well, without us you would still be a group of peasant in a UK colony.
Now you're fat and uneducated. So not going to spend my time talkign with you.
British? We won that, we won this. You never (never!) won a single war against France without being part of a coalition of many counties. France usually get rid of your kind by sending a girl. Enough to deal with your kind.
Anglo-saxons= jealous people.
But keep talking, you're quite entertaining.
Vive la France!
Draksen 1 year ago
Draksen, are you joking? Do you know Algerie? Poor arab people defeated the France, and French army escaped like "lapin" (may be in your language is clear...). Also, don't forget that in Vietnam USA arrived because France was not able to get war... Americans supported war for more than 10 years, were Drench escaped after few years of battles... all the world know that, and stop with false statements!!
lancial1963 1 year ago
are you offent,
try to read a clevent history book !
The TV does not say everything!
Algerie war was won on the ground military but lost by US politic.
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
You wrote: "are you offent"... someone translate what you have written to me: in English sounds like shit... well, you're demonstrating what's a French: more or less, like the tale of the wolf and the sheep... do you know?
lancial1963 1 year ago
lancial1963, you lost your Vietnam war, you lost it. Period. It was YOUR choice to go there, and you lost. Congratulation. And well, about Algérie, learn history before posting crap over the internet. Not going to waste my time talking with american rednecks and other idiotic brits. And especially not in english.
Résumons: va te faire foutre. Compris?
Draksen 1 year ago
Messieurs, je vous propose de faire front et de ne plus répondre en anglais à ces sous-merdes d'anglais et autres étatsuniens incultes.
Le francais est la troisième langue de l'internet, la deuxième la plus enseignée dans le monde, faisons corps contres ces demi-illétrés anglo-saxons.
Draksen 1 year ago 5
@Draksen Ne généralisons pas, c'est pas parce qu'il y a une poignée d'imbéciles qui s'amusent à refaire l'histoire et à venir insulter les français qu'il faut écorcher vif tout les Anglais. Y'a des cons de partout (même en France ^^).
RattlesHead 1 year ago
@RattlesHead: sages paroles.
Mais j'ai dans l'ensemble des très mauvaise experiences de l'internet dans les domaines historiques couverts par les anglo-saxons, et je tire à vue! ;)
Draksen 1 year ago
troisieme means 3rd, deuxieme means 2nd... you're informing us that you're NOT THE NUMEBR ONE. And you've not understood that I'm not an american or britain... very good. But it's normal... from Catholics and papists that fuck child!!!
lancial1963 1 year ago
@RattlesHead
Tu vois, c'est à ca que je faisais reference, les imbéciles heureux comme lancial1963 qui pullulent sur la toile un peu partout. La moindre phrase pour defendre la France ou la francophonie est l'on nous taxe de chauvins, mais par contre eux... eux ils ont droit de nous polluer la vue avec leur patriotisme malsain, leur histoire revisitée.
Draksen 1 year ago
A part ca j'ai regardé ou l'on pouvait passer un PhD de connerie, mais c'est pas à Zurich xD
lancial1963, t'es certain de pas être diplomé de l'Université G.W. Bush?
Draksen 1 year ago
Apart from your great miseducation (I have never defined you or the other "gentleman" Dupleix60 by words like "imbeciles" or "sous merde": I don't speak French, but I have who can translate for me... do you know that about 100 years ago the French Marquis Albert De Dion still got into duel with persons who got insults?), just to inform you that a certain Albert Einstein got his PhD in the Zürich ETH... or you'd like to start a discussion saying that Sorbonne is the best school in the world?
lancial1963 1 year ago
lancial1963, tu dois avoir un PhD de connerie appliquée option imbécilté, c'est tout ce qui ressort de tes propos décousus.
Et si tu ne parles pas francais, c'est trop con pour toi, et tant mieux pour nous, car avoir à lire tes idioties en francais, pour ma part, me serait insupportable.
Draksen 1 year ago 4
Messieurs dames, ne vous abaissez pas à lui répondre en anglais, que du francais, il se lassera et partira: inutile de nourrir le troll ;)
Draksen 1 year ago 2
Lancial1963
tu ne peux pas nous lâcher, espèce dégénéré.
Ton discours sent plus fort que la fiente qui sort de l'anus d'un corbeau galeux.
Amuses toi à traduire, ca nous fera des vacances!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
Selon le: Academy Ranking of World Universitie
classement 2009 des universités dans le monde:
PARIS VI > 42 ième place.
PARIS XI > 49 ième place.
ZURICH > 53 ième place.
Je reconnais que c'est nul pour nous tous!
Mais Zurich, n'est pas la meilleur!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
t'es vraiment une sous merde! En tout cas sûrement un coincé du cul qui passe son temps à se palucher sur son chien!
DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
Another French "gentlemen"... what a kind of bloody people you are! Read the comment to Duple-something: same for you! Please, explain why, if French is the best in the world, how is possible you're not the first... poor baby that can only cry using very bad words... good, very good, "BRAVO!"
lancial1963 1 year ago
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DUPLEIX60 1 year ago
@lancial1963 In Algerie France gave the independance after a referendum, militrary France largely won the "war"
xxAdelineFcexx 1 year ago 2
When did Italy beat France? May be you've forgotten the Turin's battle, 1706: Vittorio Amedeo II, Duke of Savoy (he became Sardinia king few years later, because that victory) and his cousin Eugenio von Savoy (commander in chief of the imperials) defeated Louis XIV army, allied of Spain king Philippe V. That war was in the context of the Spanish Succession War:
lancial1963 2 years ago
That was not Italy just a part of it.
Napoleon5005 2 years ago
So, I could say that Napoleaon was not a French conquerer, but a Corse conquerer... Italy was CONQUERED by the King of Sardinia, infact King Victory Emanuel II did not change his number to "I", but held the "II" indeed to highlight that Italy was a Savoy conquest. Please, note that Napoleon III helped only to conquest Milan, because he got separate peace with Austria, he didnm't respect the agreement with Kingdom of Sardinia...
lancial1963 2 years ago
Italy? There was no Italy in 1706.
IuniusPalladius 2 years ago 3
Please, don't play with words: Italy is a country born in 1946. Before that date the Savoy Kingdom was existing and in 1706 the Duke of Savoy defeated the French army... if you'd like to play with words, I'll say that Savoy people defeated French... if you prefer to have lost a war against a very little country...
lancial1963 2 years ago
So the Roman Conquest of Gaul was not the Italians beating the shit out of the French. Gotcha. Feel free to let us know when you have joined reality.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Man that's a stretch of desperation if you have to reach back to the Romans--who have little biological relationship to modern Italians anyway.
IuniusPalladius 2 years ago 2
Right for ancient Roman, but it's more than right for Napoleon: Napoleon Bonaparte was a member of a family coming from Tuscany: he had more Italian blood than any French!! Biology does not matter with that... Gents, that so strong (and, IMHO, absurde) "French pride" that I read in those comments is a bit out of any reason in the modern united Europe. Sorry, but only reading those comments, any pride of any person that's not French is the natural answer...
lancial1963 2 years ago
Of the big American has lira of good book of history you should, know that the French fleet won several times English, during the independance war for exemple ). Your culture limited always makes you metre forward our defeat of 1940. France power continals has in times of grey to privilege the defence of the territory national thus marine...
tokra4040 2 years ago
Oh yes. The French have won BATTLES but on the grand scale you idiots lost the WAR. Learn the difference. My culture limited makes me what for the ass kicking the Germans gave you in 1940? Hey dumbass. You were defeated in EVERY war you have EVER fought with Great Britain and Germany. You dont want to talk about WW2? Ok lets talk about the Franko Prussian War in the 1890's? How about that? How about you got your ASS kicked by MEXICO in the 1860's! How about the beating you got in the 7 years war
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
I leave you in Martian good of the war of the Vietnam! How thought that In contact with of more than 1000 and can survive without won by war. Alone a not much thought idiot it.
tokra4040 2 years ago
Christ you are an idiot. You got beat out of Vietnam quicker and worse than we did. Remember dip shit Vietnam was a FRENCH colony. Man you are historically ignorant aint you?
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Scottishconfederate, Now please be objective when you mention history. Yes, in (almost) every war between the french and the british, the French lost. However, in world war II, for instance, the french army was feared. It was even seen as the strongest army in Europe by both the British and the germans. Their defea came as a big surprise! But you can criticise that if you want. After all, that suggests the French are very good at "pretending" to be good :p
07rabo1 2 years ago
The French Army of WW2 was feared? Are you serious? I could not POSSIBLY disagree with you more. Firstly the French army was still carrying old out classed weapons from WW1 and its uniforms and equipment were completely out dated. The British Army and Italian armies had made more advancements than the French. France was also recovering from a crippling depression so it had no money to fund and update a large and powerful army.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
I totally agree with you on the fact that the French army was on a very low point, but that is not what I was talking about. Whether they were strong or not (and they were not), they were feared. And for the question of where I got this the answer is simple; in the English history books I had at school (Yes, I'm one of the rare french who got an english education :P).
07rabo1 2 years ago
Well I must ask on what basis were they feared? Poorly equipped, decently trained by but no means exemplary, and poorly paid (at the time) soldiers who are commanded by officers who still had their near defeat at the hands of the Kaisers were it not for a flood of eager but inexperienced US soldiers that managed to plug the gap so to speak. I do not presume to say that US involvement changed the course of the war but rather quickened the end of an already strained to the breaking point Germany.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Well, where I read it, they did not mention exactly what was "feared" but suggested it was a "Brave" army. I would guess that the fear then originated from the persuasive skills of French dignitaries, the creation of the Ligne Maginot, and the history of France being much stronger on its own ground (it's not like anyone feared the French would attack, just that they would be impossible to invade
07rabo1 2 years ago
Well for being impossible the Germans certainly had little trouble. Not to mention when have fortified positions ever really been truly successful in defending an entire country? Now as for Brave? Certainly, I will agree to that. But feared and brave are NOT the same by any stretch. No one quakes in their boots when they think of Finland but the Fins have gave many a country a head thumping in their history including Russia in the 1930's... Or was it the 20's? Regardless. You get the idea.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Actually I don't think they were that brave anyway, but the fact that the French army got kicked out of the game at a "polish"-like speed just shows that it was a weak army. But it actually did come as a surprise for most because people actually thought that the French were stronger.
07rabo1 2 years ago
Moral being low does not mean some weren't brave. France's military history is a tarnished and shameful one. But I would never dare to say that men who died for their country or willingly became exiles in England during France's occupation aren't brave. As for France being a feared and great power... They still remain the only country to lose a war to Mexico. Vietnam for them was a bigger embarrassment for them than us. And Italy had little trouble mopping them up twice.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
We are not really interested in warfare in France
mostly because there were wars or battles going along in our country every twenty years since Caesar... But we are still here, enjoying our wines and women and we just don't give a s... about your comments...
Oh, by the way, did you entered Moscow in arms ? Our ancestors did (with the the help of some enlisted germans to be honest)
alleuze16 2 years ago
@alleuze16 Mine did :P im Polish... We saved the world numerous times! From russians, from turks, from commies, england from germans and thousand times again ;p still - everyone in europe fucked us through centuries :)
but we still like to save the world.
amebchen 2 years ago 2
i lol'd
ZERAtul89ita 2 years ago
@ZERAtul89ita What? ^^
Well you can't deny it :)
You're Italian, right? Remember Battle of Monte Cassino? xD
amebchen 2 years ago
Maybe it's my mistake. You said the French never won a war, and if you just thinking of those with the germans and with the English, fine, but they did win most of the wars they engaged in. And for England, you could consider the independence war as a war between the French and the British since they actually were the most prominent protagonists. And that war, England lost.
07rabo1 2 years ago 3
I take it that you mean the American War for independence? Yes you could say France won that war but it was not really a war France and England did much fighting. To my knowledge there was no fighting conducted on the European continent and only some minor engagements in the Caribbean. France hardly became involved until the end of a war that was already HIGHLY unpopular in England. Whats more is the French got screwed out of thew whole deal by the Americans. (At the end I mean.)
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
That is not true. The French became involved in 1778 and started arriving in 70 They were a crucial part of the war since the beginning sending money and supplies to us to finance our war.
Napoleon5005 2 years ago
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I leave you in Martian good of the war of the Vietnam! How thought that In contact with of more than 1000 yeays and can survive without won by war. Alone a not much thought idiot it.
tokra4040 2 years ago
Franco prussian war in 1870^^
tokra4040 2 years ago
So I got the exact date wrong. I certainly didnt get the out come of that war wrong. You got BEAT and occupied. Dumbass.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Scottish Confederate, the defeat against Mexico was not a French loss. Napoleon III pulled his troops out of Mexico on the request of us the United States. France was violating the Monroe Doctrine, which I disagree with how it was used. The forces of the Second Mexican Empire were defeated, not France. I think the point that tokra4040 is trying to make is that France is never defeated by one power alone. The only Exceptions are WWII and The Indo-China War. I just want to present the facts.
Napoleon5005 2 years ago
The defeat against Mexico was not a French loss.... Firstly in that sentence you contradict yourself. Secondly the French Army could not subjugate the Mexican people. Bottom line you lost a war to Mexico. I did present the facts. I never present anything else but. I never wanted to insult the French but some of these idiots are historically ignorant and arrogant beyond any reasonable doubt.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
The French Army did subjugate Mexico. I should know. I am of Mexican heritage and know a thing or too. Anyways the Second Mexican Empire did have a chance until America came out of the Civil War. Then Juarez begged and pleaded for America to declare war on France. America was not going to declare war on France for obvious reasons. We did send weapons though and that re-animated the resistance. France did not lose the war. The war ended in about 1863 and the Empire was established.
Napoleon5005 2 years ago
Oh yeah I forgot the Napoleonic Wars were more than one war and Napoleon's France won every single one of them except the War of the 8th Coalition(Waterloo). All of those counted and all of those were important. France won big wars. The 100 years war for example. The Wars of Charlemagne. Our American Revolution for Christ's Sake. We owe our entire exsistance to France. I would like you to have a little respect for France at least. Yes France has lost many battles but it has also won many wars.
Napoleon5005 2 years ago
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France also was a major power for you!
And France is not which follows the American same a good dog.
Friendly!
tokra4040 2 years ago
Great march and video of Brave and proud Army of La France.
wolverine67uk 2 years ago 12
RULE BRITTANIA!
markgoodall 2 years ago
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Fuck engand!
Britannia has never rule the waves
hommechauvesouris 2 years ago
If you are going to say bad things about someone or some country it would be as well to have some competence in the language.
You just make yourself look very foolish.
Britain DID indeed rule the oceans of the world in a way that no other nation ever has or ever will.
Nelson did not just win the battle of Trafalgar he destroyed the French and Spanish fleets. This resulted in a huge decline in the power and influence of France which she has never regained and never will.
brit1066 2 years ago
I am, just irritated to read autent of comment give France for coward's nation!
tokra4040 2 years ago
You are an idiot. You dont even know what the devil you are saying and it makes no sense. Enjoy losing all your future wars as you have your past wars oh France the surrender nation.
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
For islands in views of the name thought spoken in English... Then to leave us absolutely not lost every war enlisted men against the German and the Englishmen! France these often beating alone counters an alliance of several nation!
tokra4040 2 years ago
Yup. Thats right. The Brits never sank your sad ass navies in every war you two had. Nope old Nelson sure failed in sinking old Bonies fleet didnt he? Only war you dorks won was the French Revolution and you beat yourselves!
scottishconfederate 2 years ago
Vive La France!!!!
ottilia1974 2 years ago 7