Hmm... Right now there are 90-year-olds with hardbats at 1800+ USATT. I think these guys at their prime would play at least 2200, which beats the crap out of almost everyone who posts on youtube...
My guess is that the level is more like 2400 or so. But I'll grant that it is very difficult to make comparisons.
I've seen 2200 level players who manage by blocking with long pips and using a relatively weak forehand counter and block (weak compared to 2500 level players).I know of one 2200-ish player who pretty much only blocks using long pips. I figure that the world class hardbatters were better players than these.
Beautiful history of a great sport. The slim player with Bergmann around 3:18 or 3:42 is Bohumil Váňa, another great TT-player and multiple World Champion from the Czechoslovakia, famous for his strong forehand attack drives.
It's really great to be able to see highlights of the early beginnings of the sport (and kinda touching),but to be fair and honest the world champions of that time would now be considered "breakfast",i have been playing table tennis for two years and believe me ,i have a teammate with whom we play points they couldn't even imagine.For crying out loud,they are playing wearing jeans!!!
I'm pretty sure you underestimate the level of play you are seeing. In his late 60s and 70s - forty years beyond his prime - Marty Reisman maintained a USATT rating of about 2000 - still playing with hardbat and playing against sponge and whatever else was legal. Marty Reisman was world class in his prime, but never won a World Championship like many of the other players shown in the video. So he isn't even the best example.
Look at the trick-service the guy makes at 1:09. He´s actually throwing the ball down on his paddle.
BTW
Most of the hobby players of today would get their ass kicked by these guys. They are pretty good. And playing against someone who has skills with a hard bat isn´t easy, especially when you are not used to it. And who of the young players of today is used to play against hard bat? Not me for example. I got my ass kicked by a hard bat player lot worse than these people.
i would say most of the progress was already captured in this video. The increased aggression and tactics lacking from the beginning of this video were all out in full force by the end.
ok, my comment earlier was maybe a bit premature, but their rackets had nowhere near the amount of spin modern rackets have. Table tennis improved because of the technology that changed it while in baseball they still use wooden bats
gameplay and tactics EVOLVED because of changes in equipment. not necessarily improved. similarly to how if you allowed aluminum bats in MLB, games scores would look like 34-23 and outfielders (defense) would be obsolete.
Now I'm going to presuppose that you'll respond, given that you seem to have a pathological inability to let something go (or perhaps you're just bored, like me),<----- and I look forward to reading it, particularly if it was going to include a comment on my mistake ("senyence")<----- which is actually a typo, or perhaps a comment on original insults! :)
How can you castigate somebody for their use of English as their second language when it'syour first language and you've yet to master it's fundamentals (spelling). <----- and while we're at it the arrows denote parenthetical constructions. I suggest you pay attention as your use of the word is completely redundant (Lesson 2) <----
Further to this I'm unaware of any semantic links between the words "vagabond" and "madness" (Lesson 3).<-----
Finally, (such is the inadequacy of your expression that I ran out of space)<----- your grammar is pathetic, in particular the instance of the first complex sentence you use (the first senyence of your second paragraph).<----- (Lesson 4)<-----
At least it appears you know what "unsolicited" means. From which I can infer that you'll understand this: "to me it appears that you personify the word "unsolicited"." To quote R. Lee Ermey from Full Metal Jacket: "It looks to me that the best part of you fell out a crack in your momma's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the matress."
I often wonder whether my impression is correct that the percentage of absolutely stupid and antisocial idiots is extremely high amongs table tennis players.
Note: I love playing table tennis, but I am wondering whether my sport is contaminated by idiots when I look at comments posted about table tennis (and fellow table tennis players).
Thank you for sharing these precious historic recordings!
Anybody who knows a bit about table tennis will (should) acknowledge the extraordinary skill of these old time sportsmen. Back then, the idea of "sticky" rubbers on your blade (or even having anything that deserves the name "rubber" at all) only just emerged. ...let alone the fact that there was no trainer or idol from whom you could have copied the idea of how to do a topspin!
These are some of the most inane comments I've ever read. Hardbat-to-hardbat, the players in the video would destroy all of you juvenile delinquents! With all due respect, of course :)
You cannot compare the game of table tennis nowadays from when they played with hard bats. The angle of the bat was much more open due to no sponge, amazing how they play the shots they do. Try picking a hard bat up some day and play the kind of shts they were playing.
Gotta love the left leg swinging behind his right leg by the one player when he drives his backhand...lol....this is great stuff to watch tho...fascinating..thnx Lumm
Dick Miles doesn't appear in any of these clips. Other Americans are there, though (Schiff, McClure, and Reisman). Also shown are Barna, Szabados, Soos, Vana, Bergmann, Sido, Hagenauer, and Bellack. This is all taken off the "Legends of Table Tennis" video by Wild Goose Productions (produced by Bobby Gusikoff).
mann is das geil, wie das aussieht in langen hosen un wie stur die an der platte stehen. der tischtennis hat sich mit der zeit echt verbessert, wie man hier sehen kann.ok, ich will ja net sagen das die schlecht sin aba der heutige tt is bessa ;-D
1:35 amazing footwork
Guitar89vid 1 month ago
Look like chapin 's films!
dollarusa9801 8 months ago
Thank you for video
pingponginter 9 months ago
The most interesting thing to notice on this video is the way they saluted each other. Much warmer than the present days.
wmascare 10 months ago
they were our parents
josuecochi 11 months ago
Are they using hard-bat rackets??????
zaphster11 11 months ago
so the rubbers there are with grip or totally wihtout grip so no strong topspins can be done?
borninJune1922 1 year ago
Hmm... Right now there are 90-year-olds with hardbats at 1800+ USATT. I think these guys at their prime would play at least 2200, which beats the crap out of almost everyone who posts on youtube...
ZingyDNA 1 year ago
@ZingyDNA
My guess is that the level is more like 2400 or so. But I'll grant that it is very difficult to make comparisons.
I've seen 2200 level players who manage by blocking with long pips and using a relatively weak forehand counter and block (weak compared to 2500 level players).I know of one 2200-ish player who pretty much only blocks using long pips. I figure that the world class hardbatters were better players than these.
Studio522Productions 1 year ago
hus the fking 6 people who dilisked this vid? this vid is a fond reminder of how table tennis has grown to become such a popular sport today!
ywexe 1 year ago
@ywexe - i guess those 6 would rather see beiber play pingpong. haha
sanyablu 9 months ago
Beautiful history of a great sport. The slim player with Bergmann around 3:18 or 3:42 is Bohumil Váňa, another great TT-player and multiple World Champion from the Czechoslovakia, famous for his strong forehand attack drives.
ArepoEn 1 year ago
This seems a lot more friendly competition than the modern game.... I feel that way whenever I watch a sport video like this....'cept for baseball.
TheManinMoscow45 1 year ago
Really like forrest gump cool. ;)
Discw0rld 1 year ago
Amazing video!
Notice that, at the end of the game, the salutation between the players used to be warmer. Very different from the current players.
wmascare 1 year ago
It's really great to be able to see highlights of the early beginnings of the sport (and kinda touching),but to be fair and honest the world champions of that time would now be considered "breakfast",i have been playing table tennis for two years and believe me ,i have a teammate with whom we play points they couldn't even imagine.For crying out loud,they are playing wearing jeans!!!
nickthegreek142857 1 year ago
@nickthegreek142857
I'm pretty sure you underestimate the level of play you are seeing. In his late 60s and 70s - forty years beyond his prime - Marty Reisman maintained a USATT rating of about 2000 - still playing with hardbat and playing against sponge and whatever else was legal. Marty Reisman was world class in his prime, but never won a World Championship like many of the other players shown in the video. So he isn't even the best example.
Studio522Productions 1 year ago
@Studio522Productions ratings means shit.
poortaiwanese 6 months ago
wow. these clips are ancient man.
rcmontecalvo 1 year ago
Look at the way they used to salute each other. Warmer then the current days.
wmascare 1 year ago
can anyone tell me what means BTW ,IMAO ??please
milotist 1 year ago
by the way and laughing my ass off (LMAO)
giaci89thebest 1 year ago
thank you
milotist 1 year ago
@milotist by the way
placid21 1 year ago
ale grają panowie jak timo
filop12 2 years ago
This is great stuff.
Look at the trick-service the guy makes at 1:09. He´s actually throwing the ball down on his paddle.
BTW
Most of the hobby players of today would get their ass kicked by these guys. They are pretty good. And playing against someone who has skills with a hard bat isn´t easy, especially when you are not used to it. And who of the young players of today is used to play against hard bat? Not me for example. I got my ass kicked by a hard bat player lot worse than these people.
enkidu23 2 years ago
No chinese plyers in the finals LOL
sky1944 2 years ago
ohhhh !! funny !
Violinist0222 2 years ago
Mr F.Gump would've kicked bergamnns ass ;^)
melforever27 2 years ago
Good old hardbat days... I wasn't there, however...
taufoofar 2 years ago
Et moi qui pensait avoir des coups bizarres lol
TAPADAKA1318 2 years ago
haha the techniques are amazing!
MJGGGDV 2 years ago 3
I like the good ole chop and spin afterwards and also i am considering wearing pants from now on.
EnnesX 2 years ago
Great video. Very interesting :). 5 stars
viejoteca89 2 years ago
this video shows how far the sport of table tennis has come over these years...
eFatz83 2 years ago
i would say most of the progress was already captured in this video. The increased aggression and tactics lacking from the beginning of this video were all out in full force by the end.
EnnesX 2 years ago
To the silly players claiming that the are better than these former world champs:
You sound like High School kids with Aluminum Baseball bats bragging about how you hit more home runs than Babe Ruth.
albchu 2 years ago
ok, my comment earlier was maybe a bit premature, but their rackets had nowhere near the amount of spin modern rackets have. Table tennis improved because of the technology that changed it while in baseball they still use wooden bats
mikeirvng 2 years ago
gameplay and tactics EVOLVED because of changes in equipment. not necessarily improved. similarly to how if you allowed aluminum bats in MLB, games scores would look like 34-23 and outfielders (defense) would be obsolete.
albchu 2 years ago 2
The real table tennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
alexpong0 2 years ago
I could kill the world champion! Now isn't that something.
mikeirvng 2 years ago
I would bet a lot of money that you would lose.
EnnesX 2 years ago
I don't know, sandpaper rackets don't recieve spin very well, I would put it as 40:60 for him.
mikeirvng 2 years ago
america is NOT a country
CLIFINHO10 2 years ago
no it is much more than a country...........
teamknugg 2 years ago
wie die topspin ziehen XD rofl!!!!
grothegrothe 2 years ago
I like this video xD
MrOnkelzOnkelzOnkelz 2 years ago
hahahaha fucking shit.. the play of style was so ugly on that time
benuboi 2 years ago
they were all choppers haha
xilpa 2 years ago
1:43 lol
rodzoid 2 years ago
it was sandpaper paddles then right?
fmukid 2 years ago
In this Time Victor Barna was the Godfather of Table Tennis. ;D
Flensburgerpissener 2 years ago
Omg it looks a bit like my local pennant looooolz!
LATDgamer 2 years ago
The Asians are # 1
americans have NO concept of how crucial hidden serves were!!!!!!
HATEbeersnobs 2 years ago
* note i meant until the asians revolutionized PING PONG
fucking hate the term "TABLE TENNIS"!
HATEbeersnobs 2 years ago
wtf...
jamescrysis 2 years ago 2
nice vid, shows how things have changed.
Baikas1987 2 years ago
im a big fan of this sport! i wanna know what kind of paddle they use & what kind of ball? Does it have the same measurements & texture?
mcgcarlos 2 years ago
jajaja now ...it's all about speed
speedyspin 2 years ago
omfg look at those trousers! LOOOOL!
NexxtGen 2 years ago
Go Bergmann Go !
EurodanceCommando 2 years ago
LOOOL
they play just like my father =D hehehe
brunozxch2o 2 years ago
wow
under those old equipments, it takes a great deal of precisio to play well,ㄎㄎ
Taiwan168888 3 years ago 7
dude get a life people just watch the damn video!
mullywully01 3 years ago
Now I'm going to presuppose that you'll respond, given that you seem to have a pathological inability to let something go (or perhaps you're just bored, like me),<----- and I look forward to reading it, particularly if it was going to include a comment on my mistake ("senyence")<----- which is actually a typo, or perhaps a comment on original insults! :)
Anyhooo... I'm off to tt training!
Wilis784 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
*ahem* "stupefy" (Lesson 1)<------
How can you castigate somebody for their use of English as their second language when it'syour first language and you've yet to master it's fundamentals (spelling). <----- and while we're at it the arrows denote parenthetical constructions. I suggest you pay attention as your use of the word is completely redundant (Lesson 2) <----
Further to this I'm unaware of any semantic links between the words "vagabond" and "madness" (Lesson 3).<-----
Wilis784 3 years ago
Finally, (such is the inadequacy of your expression that I ran out of space)<----- your grammar is pathetic, in particular the instance of the first complex sentence you use (the first senyence of your second paragraph).<----- (Lesson 4)<-----
Wilis784 3 years ago
At least it appears you know what "unsolicited" means. From which I can infer that you'll understand this: "to me it appears that you personify the word "unsolicited"." To quote R. Lee Ermey from Full Metal Jacket: "It looks to me that the best part of you fell out a crack in your momma's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the matress."
Wilis784 3 years ago
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Wilis784 3 years ago
Hi rickanderson,
thanks for disqualifying yourself in your comments. That allows me to ignore your postings from now on.
Cheers.
inclinedbird 3 years ago
... this is exactly what I mean.
The degree of stupity that you find in comments of table tennis players appears to be inexhaustible.
Amazing.
inclinedbird 3 years ago
I often wonder whether my impression is correct that the percentage of absolutely stupid and antisocial idiots is extremely high amongs table tennis players.
Note: I love playing table tennis, but I am wondering whether my sport is contaminated by idiots when I look at comments posted about table tennis (and fellow table tennis players).
inclinedbird 3 years ago
Thank you for sharing these precious historic recordings!
Anybody who knows a bit about table tennis will (should) acknowledge the extraordinary skill of these old time sportsmen. Back then, the idea of "sticky" rubbers on your blade (or even having anything that deserves the name "rubber" at all) only just emerged. ...let alone the fact that there was no trainer or idol from whom you could have copied the idea of how to do a topspin!
inclinedbird 3 years ago
definitivamente la evolución que ha logrado el tenis de mesa es inimaginable, menos mal porque antes se jugaba horrible... jajaja
tato4527 3 years ago
this is so funny to see them play in different style. kinda laid back
InTenWords 3 years ago
wtf are they dancing lol
gpnok91 3 years ago
Lol they suck but have u seen now .. they are much better..
Blidoe 3 years ago
nice video
where do you get this videos?
Walker0811 3 years ago
Gentleman's sport
OhMymy 3 years ago 2
funny to see
tynenkrol 3 years ago 2
cada epoca con su estilo
15837048 3 years ago
They are sh*t!!!! xD
tt1097 3 years ago
You're very ignorant
andstayout 3 years ago
These are some of the most inane comments I've ever read. Hardbat-to-hardbat, the players in the video would destroy all of you juvenile delinquents! With all due respect, of course :)
HardbatProductions 3 years ago
Senza Top Spin era una tagli e blocchi, mamma mia!
MadTriCkbLu 3 years ago
lol, they all have no technique at all! :D
spassgamer 3 years ago
You cannot compare the game of table tennis nowadays from when they played with hard bats. The angle of the bat was much more open due to no sponge, amazing how they play the shots they do. Try picking a hard bat up some day and play the kind of shts they were playing.
richie19rich77 3 years ago 5
in the last part they made sidesteps!!!!!!
xD
can someone make a vid which shows the evolution marked with years? from then until now in steps. that would be great i think.
but those people played quiete sure. i dont think that it is easy to win against those people - i could :D haha no problem for me :P
KatsumotoM 3 years ago
What equipment did they use??
lol i bet they could all beat wang liqin...jk
TableTenniskid88 3 years ago
i think they used long pimples rubbers
davinic94 3 years ago
Gotta love the left leg swinging behind his right leg by the one player when he drives his backhand...lol....this is great stuff to watch tho...fascinating..thnx Lumm
noel926 3 years ago
Whats awesome is that a lot of these guys, if still alive, are probbally still playing.
Supercreck 3 years ago
Wow, is that really Dick Miles in action? Glad to finally see him in action!
trux04 3 years ago
Dick Miles doesn't appear in any of these clips. Other Americans are there, though (Schiff, McClure, and Reisman). Also shown are Barna, Szabados, Soos, Vana, Bergmann, Sido, Hagenauer, and Bellack. This is all taken off the "Legends of Table Tennis" video by Wild Goose Productions (produced by Bobby Gusikoff).
HardbatProductions 3 years ago
look at those clothes!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *dead
NexxtGen 3 years ago
Wow. Nice video> Where did you find it???
kamm9 4 years ago
Sorry fire track, meant to hit reply, it is not the technique that matters, it is the heart.
Membersacc 4 years ago
ziet er niet uit lol
skyground79 4 years ago
ze hebben echt geen techniek xD
yepper078 4 years ago
nice trousers!but seriously quality stuff even if very unorthodox technique
firetack 4 years ago
yeah, where did u find these video XD
UsakoKirei 4 years ago
Table tennis has such a rich and unique history. Definitely one of the best sports in the world.
transhuman7 4 years ago 11
I find it hard to beleive theres still guys that play like this nowadays
MarkMcGuiggan 4 years ago 2
Mark, you should come out to some of the amateur clubs. You'll find plenty LOL
zsyed12345678 4 years ago 2
aman allahım rezalet:S:S:S
lebronburhan 4 years ago
mann is das geil, wie das aussieht in langen hosen un wie stur die an der platte stehen. der tischtennis hat sich mit der zeit echt verbessert, wie man hier sehen kann.ok, ich will ja net sagen das die schlecht sin aba der heutige tt is bessa ;-D
akrobandit 4 years ago
naum estao mais vivos =/
flaviotomeji 4 years ago