@FATRgames I see what you mean in a way. I don't know whether to trust him though, I feel like he's exaggerating wherever he can though which is a bit harmful. My auntie's a nurse in the NHS and I'm always asking her questions about it but I obviously won't know as much as the man in the video. Either way I stick with my view that the NHS works well but I'd be up for anything new that works better than a national service or certain kinds of private insurance.
i know exactly what this guy is getting at. I have noticed in uk nhs hospitals how more care is put into paper work and administration procedures than patient care and waiting rooms dont have comfortable soft seats for people in pain e.t.c. IT almost feels like a dirty public waiting room. more care and emphasis seems to be put into paper work about patients than actually helping people. notice how very little careis put into food the most important thing of all and its always shite
Yeah I'm American and I'm sad that there are hungry wolves after your citizens' health care now. That is the model for expansion though, the execs in American health care industries are looking across the ocean at the endless possibilities of expansion and further profits. Too bad for them you Brits are going to fight tooth and nail to keep them out right? Get to it!
@lickmyfart I don't know if you are following the healthcare debate in the UK it is a fact that over a number of years mission creep of privatising parts of the NHS as been going on . Strangely a lot of it taking place under the last Labour administration. However, it would seem due too an outcry from many sectors in the UK the preposed further expansion of privatising the NHS might well be halted. Certainly the basic principle of the NHS that it is "Free" at the point of need is not in doubt
@davijeph Yes. Learn from our mistakes. Privatization is bad news for the citizens in most of need. We are getting to the point where our jails are slowly becoming privatized too. Here we have various ethical, financial, and philosophical concerns that are being raised as a result of this rapid turnover to privatization, of responsibilities that should be handled by the state! Very dangerous for citizens regardless of the country.
@lickmyfart Thanks for your reply. The following can be found on todays BBC Homepage:- NHS concessions due after review. The academic talking on the video is the same Gentleman who can be seen on the Youtube Suggestions column British Doctor. "NHS is superb". Regards
@RickyHolcroft Well we are brothers in the sense that we know what is right and what is wrong. It is wrong to try to take away a system that provides many disadvantaged citizens the care, and has made the UK a healthier nation than the US as a whole. Americans are in support of such a system but we don't even collectively realize it yet. Guiding lights like the UK need to keep their universal healthcare systems to sink in their positive example.
@lickmyfart Yeh definitely with you there, really hope you all manage to get something similar in the US because it's brilliant. You definitely will one day as long as you all keep fighting for it and ignore all the lies you see in the papers about the NHS because it really is utter crap (I used a Washington Times article on the NHS to write an essay for my English coursework on newspaper bias and I had a lot to write about!). You should probably ignore that clown in the video too.. haha
No disrespect to Greece or the nice people of Greece but the UK is not like and will never be like Greece but the Tories and the ClegCamSham would like you to think that if we don't take a bitter pill we will end up likewise!
Don't buy it its a con to keep the supper rich rich.
Given that the Tories had 13 years to prepare for office, and the Liberal Democrats had their whole lifetime, you might expect them to have had a plan for growth ready in May 2010. All they had was a plan to kill growth and jobs and try to kill the NHS with insidious manoeuvres in a bid to feed the greed of big business Tycoons
While you talk about the NHS and the corporations that avoid taxes your still drownd by the debt your gorvement created...you must face it everyone,public doest work,i saw that britain had riots cut pensions raised pension years increase prices for education and there are more to come,you blame the americans for capitalism but they are a hell of socialist nation...i was too proud about my public health care untill IMF came and we saw what we couldnt...public doesnt work...a Greek warning for you
@DoelGr "everyone,public doest work," Thats why UHC's cost half that of the present US system. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”. "you blame the americans for capitalism" when did the US invent "capitalism"? If you cared to check you would find that the US debt is $14.13 trillion the UK's £1000.4 billion, in GDP terms far less than the US. We might be sinking but at least we are not owned by China. I see you are from Greece? and you are talking about debt? ???
@davijeph calm down pls...i know that my countrys debt is big thats why i said that,i dont blame the americans the oposite i admire the way you face problems...what i was trying to say is that public isnt working it costs much,it is ineficient and private do it better...i was trying to point out the debt that the gorvement creates,probably you missunderstood,i know that chinese take advantage of it that why i warned...and of course i dont blame capitalism,im capitalist and i think it works!!
@davijeph also my country is not sinking,we are already at the bottom and people here dont understad that socialist policies brought us here,if you let the market compete it self then you will achive good prIces and top quallity services!!the US is paying lots of money for other problems thats why it has big debt!!in my opinion if you care about your countrys future pls check out for Ron paul !!and tell me your opinion!!
@dogleg I know about Ron Paul's theories and they are wrong . We could spend hours trying to prove to each why our individual point of view is correct but it would be pointless. I to consider myself a capitalist but I'm also a liberal and a socialist all work if they are kept in balance the most important theory of all, Democracy. Allow one to become to dominant and societies collapse (my theory). Did you watch "the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”. " Regards.
@davijeph well,im a greek i know all about democrasy and i agree!i tryied to watch it but it was too boring...but i got the overall point between the federal and private spendings the rules of US healthcare!!look the think is that what hapend here in greece will hapen all over europe,im not saying socialism is bad in fact its the best(everyone care about the other)in theory it is good but in practice it fails...we have large public sector and it is a burden for all of us...thats what i focus in!
@DoelGr Basically we agree. Do I believing a large public sector is a good thing for a prosperous Nation? No. Do I believe that unrestricted, unfetted capitalism can be just has damaging to a society? Yes. The point is to try and find a balance between the two without destroying civilised behaviour and standards. Greece like the UK might well have a society that relied to much on the public sector but UHC,s cost less to run than the US system.
@DoelGr gorvement? created.?? No sorry it was a world recession with only the emerging powers of Russia,China,India and Brazil escaping..blaming the mess we are in on the last government is nonsense and the public know it,this mess was caused by corporate greed end of.
@greatwhitepoet the crisis started from america because the US gorvement promissed to buck up any loan for houses,the banks took advantage of it and the bubble burst effecting every bank in the world especially european banks,now this crisis coupled with your mine and all europes huge debt created a big problem that came from socialist policies,socialism is something good unfortunately the politicians and the people around them are corrupt and they made this huge debt!
@DoelGr Sorry but your wrong it did not come from socialist policies far from it, it was socialist policies that created the NHS in the UK in the first place and we all should be very proud of that and not sell it down the river for more capitalist greed. I dont know what the situation is in Greece and you may well be hard done by but to lay the blame on socialists is nonsense, we are nothing like Greece never will be the comparision is Tory spin crap you might as well compare the UK to Timbuktu
@DoelGr "High taxes"? well thats here now its called VAT except rich big business claim it all back!!
"Low competition"!! theres always competition "high wages" only for a chosen few the rest of us just want a minimum wage (thats being eroded by the Tories) "coruption" always there whoevers in power "cuts" Tories again king of cuts timbuktu far away but sweat shop of europe almost here, check out: "Andrew Marr show of hands" on hear and watch William Hague's face..says it all
@greatwhitepoet i checked out the video you recomended!but i dont understand some things...first of all who are tories??is the guys talking with the journalist one of tories?and why do you call them tories?in my opinion this politician is like every politician at the party that is not gorvement...speaks some truth but when the time comes its all in the past.ive seen this in greece for years..the truth is that UK has problems with interest rates thought and this is gona cost...is he a minister???
@greatwhitepoet im not blaming only your last gorvement in fact i now little about your gorvement...the fact is that the gorvements in europe created all that big debt...and this is not a scheme of the emerging powers...on the last why do you blame corporate greed when your gorvement borrwed all that money??for how long will you be able to borrow,even if this crisis didnt hapen??its naive to say that the politicians didnt have to do with any of that...
Philip Green billionaire, runs some of the biggest names in the UK.like Topshop, Topman, Dorothy Perkins, Burton, Miss Selfridge and British Home Stores.He is not a non-dom. He lives in the UK, works in the UK. pays tax on his salary in the UK. seems to be in order. Until you realise that he does not own any of the Arcadia group that he runs. Instead, it is in the name of his wife who has not done a single day’s work for the company. Mrs Green lives in Monaco, she pays not a penny of income tax
@greatwhitepoet It's not just the evil, top hatted businessman who is able to find such loopholes, of course. Did you know, for example, that the company behind the trendy but low-circulation left-wing newspaper The Guardian, which can often be found going after people like Philip Green, is based offshore for tax-dodging purposes?
Don't be too quick to pigeonhole these people - they are not always who the Leftist politicians and newspaper columnists would like you to believe they are.
@InTheRainstorm Politicians from all sides of the house over the years have raised concerns over large scale tax avoidance, however nothing is ever done about it thats because many MPs are influenced by big business (bought) and the media encourage ordinary people to turn on each other! gives em a scape goat...maybe opposing sides should meet in Trafalgar square and throw stones at each other like in Egypt.
Are we all in it together ?Tesco control 30% of the UK grocery market and have over 2,000 stores in the UK. In 2010 they made a profit of £3.4bn, yet they will still go to great lengths to avoid paying tax. Using complex legal structures Tesco has avoided stamp duty land tax to the tune of £90-£100m and £23m in stamp duty. And the CleggCamsham target people trying to get by with little employment ..what a joke
@greatwhitepoet The Tories and the Lib Dems are easy targets, here. But they've been in power for a few months. Who were the masters at the Treasury and Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs for the last thirteen years, during which Tesco thrived and achieved its position of dominance? Blair, Brown, and Balls - Labour men. Men who won elections whinging about school milk and the fate of the miners for decades, but who never bought a single carton or re-opened a single mine.
@InTheRainstorm ..thats right 2 months and people aready know that they are wrecking things, no one wanted the ClegCamSham Oridiary voters have been betrayed bigstyle, I predict the Lib Dems in particular will never recover from the backlash thats coming. Accident waiting to happen!
businessmen/women should pay the same level of tax no matter how big they are as eveyone else..tax avoidence is big time scrounging.
The NHS isn't perfect, but fecking hell we will miss it when it's gone. I just don't understand why some people don't understand how blessed we are to have it. Right now, anyone reading this may sadly need the NHS......an MI, a car accident, a CVA... I hope you don't, but as it stands the last thing you will have to worry about is how you are going to pay for the care you receive that may save your life, or that of your loved one. Long live the NHS xx
The NHS isn't perfect, but fecking hell we will miss it when it's gone. I just don't understand why some people don't understand how blessed we are to have it. Right now, anyone reading this may sadly need the NHS......an MI, a car accident, a CVA... I hope you don't, but as it stands the last thing you will have to worry about is how you are going to pay for the care you receive that may save your life, or that of your loved one. Long live the NHS xx
@icklefig We're not THAT blessed. Most Western countries have universal healthcare, and most of them provide a better service than the NHS does. It's bullshit to pretend it's just a straight choice between the American system and the British one - there's also the French system, the Dutch system, the Singaporean system... And all of them seem to have lower costs and better health outcomes than the NHS. Is it not worth considering that, just maybe, our way is not the only way?
@InTheRainstorm Having looked at the provision of healthcare in the countries you mention I can see the benefits (not without their own problems though) That said I don't think the UK government are looking at these countries for inspiration, do you? I feel that in the UK the only choice we are being given is the NHS or privatisation. The NHS is being privatised through the back door as we speak and in that sense I can only compare it to the USA. I would rather the live with the NHS thanks. xx
@icklefig You're right, the debate IS conducted as though the choice is between the NHS and American healthcare. But as we both know, if we look around at what OTHER countries are doing, we see that this is a false dichotomy.
Still, at the end of your post you have given up. "I would rather live with the NHS thanks", you say, playing into the hands of the people who pretend that it's either the NHS or nothing. It DOESN'T have to be the NHS or nothing; don't let yourself be manipulated!
@InTheRainstorm ... Please believe me when I say I haven't given up, although having re read my comment I can understand why it read that way. I believe in the idealism of the NHS. I accept that you may think that I am unrealistic. I am proud that we have the NHS, that everyone is entitled to free healthcare despite what they earn. It is a beautiful concept that I am prepared to fight for. I think we should all fight for it. Long live the NHS :o) xx
and the administration of a health service for 65million people would be less in the private sector? where decisions over treatment would have to be consulted with insurance admin rather than the doctor making the choice based on medical need. or the scores of sales agents needed to sell policies to people. Not to mention the vast vast vast sums of money diverted away from medical expenses into profit for shareholders. Treatment based on need not ability to pay. I LOVE the NHS.
and the administration of a health service for 65million people would be less in the private sector? where decisions over treatment would have to be consulted with insurance admit rather than the doctor making the choice based on medical need. or the scores of sales agents needed to sell policies to people. Not to mention the vast vast vast sums of money diverted away from medical expenses into profit for shareholders. Treatment based on need not ability to pay. I LOVE the NHS.
What a bullshitter "He's saving you and me a few bob" excuse me, he is making more than a "few bob " out of the patient, arrogant bastard "He left the NHS 22 years ago" so given his age that would the day after he qualified ". " i'm not good at being told what to do by people" I'll bet the shit is bloody good at telling the lesser mortals under him what to do and treating them like shit the wanker.
This surgeon shouldn't talk about surgery! Any kind for that matter! .. A surgeon never washes pre-op with rings on fingers .. how the f**k could he clean underneet ? Does are not aseptic condition
But what do I know?! I'm from third world-ish Romania, no ?
@greatwhitepoet "Government" can only provide funds for the NHS when there is a pool of money to extract from from the private sector in taxation to pay for them. When the private sector is fucked (as it is now) then of course funds to pay for, say, cash rewards for fat people when they meet weight-loss targets (this exists) are going to dry up. Government has no money. Only what it takes from people working in the private sector.
@InTheRainstorm Sorry but people in the public sector also pay taxes, the pool of money as you call it comes from a variety of different sources and in the main its from taxes paid by ordinary folk who could never afford private care. The private sector is FUCKED alright and thats because of a global recession brought about by corporate greed.
@greatwhitepoet Sure, people in the public secotr also pay taxes. But who pays their wages in the first place? Government. Where does government get the money to pay their wages? By taxing private businesses and the "orginary folk" who work in them. When the government taxes people in the public sector - who it paid in the first place - it is basically just shuffling money in forward and then back again; it's a useless, wasteful exercise. Bemoan "corporate greed" all you want, that's reality.
@InTheRainstorm You talking bollocks people earn their money they dont just get it for nothing, everyones taxed not just businesses, in fact percentage wise businesses pay less. The Labour NI tax for eveyone before the election was fair ..Torries said they would drop it..what they dident say was they would drop it for businesses only! another con from the CleggCam Sham
And what do businesses do? That's right they employ people, they pay Employers NI and salaries and part of that salary is NI ....again. Honestly do you think money grows on trees?
Tories said they would stop the increase of NI so called jobs tax in fact what they really meant was they would stop the employers NI increase not the employees!!
The public were missled,now we have increased NI and VAT increase.
Large businesses also use tax avoidance scams!! so who are the scroungers?
The man who does a bit of window cleaning on the side?
Or the businesses who scam the country out of billions through tax avoidance?
@greatwhitepoet To be fair, when you avoid tax you aren't scrounging OTHER people's money, you're just not giving YOURS to the government for it to spend - you know, on things like invading Iraq and Sky TV subscriptions for prison cells.
@InTheRainstorm If the public vote em in (or not in this case!) they decide what to spend it on.
And tax avoidance is scrounging under a posh name because true tax payers have to take up the slack. are we all in this together ? no we are not some are more in it than others.
Private sector sucks... Here in America it's really horrible... Because they take advantage of people.. If a person has private insurance and they feel the person is always getting sick they will "BOOT" them off the coverage really quick.. it's in-human.
Private practice "doctors" are money grabbing sell outs who recited the Hippocratic oath with their fingers crossed behind their backs. I am from the U.K but it seems like you are from mars. We have our NHS and the doctors who work for the NHS have bad hours not as good pay (but still no to bad) they do all this because the care and don't go home at 5.
the nhs has turned out to be a 60 year mistake. it once was good - when you had matrons on wards but there are too many people who have come to england that have acute ailments from their poor countrys that now cost the nhs relentlessly.
thus, people like me - white, london born, straight male has to wait 2 weeks to merely see a doctor for 2 minutes.
Good deterrant, this is what the government does - puts obstruction in the way so people don't bother
Not only the NHS, For eery man the British army has in uniform there are 2 people in offices organising what he does!!! I think he would rather he had some more ammo or perhaps some more people with him! As a medical student I would rather have my debt reduced than have lots of people shouting at me what to do the state of organisation in the NHS is RIDICULOUS!!!!! You need managers to organise things but they shouldn't outnumber the people they organise! X
Admin make up 7.6% of the NHS workforce; managers make up 2.7%. Nurses are 30% of the workforce and doctors, 9.6%. So if there were more admin than patients that would also mean that there are more doctors than patients and WAY more nurses than patients. Each patient could have their own doctor and several nurses EACH. It's obviously not the case. The man in the video was at best, grossly exagerating; at worst, batantly lying. (Not saying I'm a fan of managers though!)
@Robf987 And if that was he case then surely it shows the flaws of the system and how wasteful it is with the tax payers money. under-employment, as it is known would never happen if the people actually paying for the system had and say in how their money was spent.
@FATRgames I see what you mean in a way. I don't know whether to trust him though, I feel like he's exaggerating wherever he can though which is a bit harmful. My auntie's a nurse in the NHS and I'm always asking her questions about it but I obviously won't know as much as the man in the video. Either way I stick with my view that the NHS works well but I'd be up for anything new that works better than a national service or certain kinds of private insurance.
RickyHolcroft 1 month ago
i know exactly what this guy is getting at. I have noticed in uk nhs hospitals how more care is put into paper work and administration procedures than patient care and waiting rooms dont have comfortable soft seats for people in pain e.t.c. IT almost feels like a dirty public waiting room. more care and emphasis seems to be put into paper work about patients than actually helping people. notice how very little careis put into food the most important thing of all and its always shite
210482fmj 6 months ago
Yeah I'm American and I'm sad that there are hungry wolves after your citizens' health care now. That is the model for expansion though, the execs in American health care industries are looking across the ocean at the endless possibilities of expansion and further profits. Too bad for them you Brits are going to fight tooth and nail to keep them out right? Get to it!
lickmyfart 8 months ago 2
@lickmyfart I don't know if you are following the healthcare debate in the UK it is a fact that over a number of years mission creep of privatising parts of the NHS as been going on . Strangely a lot of it taking place under the last Labour administration. However, it would seem due too an outcry from many sectors in the UK the preposed further expansion of privatising the NHS might well be halted. Certainly the basic principle of the NHS that it is "Free" at the point of need is not in doubt
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph Yes. Learn from our mistakes. Privatization is bad news for the citizens in most of need. We are getting to the point where our jails are slowly becoming privatized too. Here we have various ethical, financial, and philosophical concerns that are being raised as a result of this rapid turnover to privatization, of responsibilities that should be handled by the state! Very dangerous for citizens regardless of the country.
lickmyfart 8 months ago
@lickmyfart Thanks for your reply. The following can be found on todays BBC Homepage:- NHS concessions due after review. The academic talking on the video is the same Gentleman who can be seen on the Youtube Suggestions column British Doctor. "NHS is superb". Regards
davijeph 8 months ago
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RickyHolcroft 8 months ago
@lickmyfart I never thought I'd say this but you are my new best mate lickmyfart!
RickyHolcroft 8 months ago
@RickyHolcroft Well we are brothers in the sense that we know what is right and what is wrong. It is wrong to try to take away a system that provides many disadvantaged citizens the care, and has made the UK a healthier nation than the US as a whole. Americans are in support of such a system but we don't even collectively realize it yet. Guiding lights like the UK need to keep their universal healthcare systems to sink in their positive example.
lickmyfart 8 months ago
@lickmyfart Yeh definitely with you there, really hope you all manage to get something similar in the US because it's brilliant. You definitely will one day as long as you all keep fighting for it and ignore all the lies you see in the papers about the NHS because it really is utter crap (I used a Washington Times article on the NHS to write an essay for my English coursework on newspaper bias and I had a lot to write about!). You should probably ignore that clown in the video too.. haha
RickyHolcroft 8 months ago
@RickyHolcroft even though that clown in the video has experience from the inside of the NHS? sounds like he'd know what he's talking about...
FATRgames 1 month ago
He is talking while doing the surgery, shouldn't he be focus to "do a good job" . See the irony.
TheSpasticbanana 10 months ago 4
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The NHS is the single most important issue to me.
IF THE TORIES & LIB DEMS PUSH THROUGH THESE PLANS I WILL NEVER EVER VOTE FOR EITHER OF THEM EVER AGAIN.
No f*cking joke.
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IF THE TORIES & LIB DEMS PUSH THROUGH THESE PLANS I WILL NEVER EVER VOTE FOR EITHER OF THEM EVER AGAIN.
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janebusby 10 months ago
No disrespect to Greece or the nice people of Greece but the UK is not like and will never be like Greece but the Tories and the ClegCamSham would like you to think that if we don't take a bitter pill we will end up likewise!
Don't buy it its a con to keep the supper rich rich.
Dont sell the NHS to the Greedy pigs.
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
Check it out:
On YT:
Show of Hands on the Andrew Marr show
Says it all
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
Given that the Tories had 13 years to prepare for office, and the Liberal Democrats had their whole lifetime, you might expect them to have had a plan for growth ready in May 2010. All they had was a plan to kill growth and jobs and try to kill the NHS with insidious manoeuvres in a bid to feed the greed of big business Tycoons
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago 2
While you talk about the NHS and the corporations that avoid taxes your still drownd by the debt your gorvement created...you must face it everyone,public doest work,i saw that britain had riots cut pensions raised pension years increase prices for education and there are more to come,you blame the americans for capitalism but they are a hell of socialist nation...i was too proud about my public health care untill IMF came and we saw what we couldnt...public doesnt work...a Greek warning for you
DoelGr 1 year ago
@DoelGr "everyone,public doest work," Thats why UHC's cost half that of the present US system. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”. "you blame the americans for capitalism" when did the US invent "capitalism"? If you cared to check you would find that the US debt is $14.13 trillion the UK's £1000.4 billion, in GDP terms far less than the US. We might be sinking but at least we are not owned by China. I see you are from Greece? and you are talking about debt? ???
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph calm down pls...i know that my countrys debt is big thats why i said that,i dont blame the americans the oposite i admire the way you face problems...what i was trying to say is that public isnt working it costs much,it is ineficient and private do it better...i was trying to point out the debt that the gorvement creates,probably you missunderstood,i know that chinese take advantage of it that why i warned...and of course i dont blame capitalism,im capitalist and i think it works!!
DoelGr 1 year ago
@davijeph also my country is not sinking,we are already at the bottom and people here dont understad that socialist policies brought us here,if you let the market compete it self then you will achive good prIces and top quallity services!!the US is paying lots of money for other problems thats why it has big debt!!in my opinion if you care about your countrys future pls check out for Ron paul !!and tell me your opinion!!
DoelGr 1 year ago
@dogleg I know about Ron Paul's theories and they are wrong . We could spend hours trying to prove to each why our individual point of view is correct but it would be pointless. I to consider myself a capitalist but I'm also a liberal and a socialist all work if they are kept in balance the most important theory of all, Democracy. Allow one to become to dominant and societies collapse (my theory). Did you watch "the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”. " Regards.
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph well,im a greek i know all about democrasy and i agree!i tryied to watch it but it was too boring...but i got the overall point between the federal and private spendings the rules of US healthcare!!look the think is that what hapend here in greece will hapen all over europe,im not saying socialism is bad in fact its the best(everyone care about the other)in theory it is good but in practice it fails...we have large public sector and it is a burden for all of us...thats what i focus in!
DoelGr 1 year ago
@DoelGr Basically we agree. Do I believing a large public sector is a good thing for a prosperous Nation? No. Do I believe that unrestricted, unfetted capitalism can be just has damaging to a society? Yes. The point is to try and find a balance between the two without destroying civilised behaviour and standards. Greece like the UK might well have a society that relied to much on the public sector but UHC,s cost less to run than the US system.
davijeph 1 year ago
@DoelGr Don't worry, Greece will recover it is to beautiful and the people to nice for it not to. regards
davijeph 1 year ago
@DoelGr gorvement? created.?? No sorry it was a world recession with only the emerging powers of Russia,China,India and Brazil escaping..blaming the mess we are in on the last government is nonsense and the public know it,this mess was caused by corporate greed end of.
The greed will now manifest itself in the NHS.
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago 2
@greatwhitepoet the crisis started from america because the US gorvement promissed to buck up any loan for houses,the banks took advantage of it and the bubble burst effecting every bank in the world especially european banks,now this crisis coupled with your mine and all europes huge debt created a big problem that came from socialist policies,socialism is something good unfortunately the politicians and the people around them are corrupt and they made this huge debt!
DoelGr 1 year ago
@DoelGr Sorry but your wrong it did not come from socialist policies far from it, it was socialist policies that created the NHS in the UK in the first place and we all should be very proud of that and not sell it down the river for more capitalist greed. I dont know what the situation is in Greece and you may well be hard done by but to lay the blame on socialists is nonsense, we are nothing like Greece never will be the comparision is Tory spin crap you might as well compare the UK to Timbuktu
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet youll see...just rember some key words,hight taxes low competion,hight wages,unbalanced trade deficit,offsoring,coruption,budget cuts!!and timbuktu wont be far away...
DoelGr 1 year ago
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greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@DoelGr "High taxes"? well thats here now its called VAT except rich big business claim it all back!!
"Low competition"!! theres always competition "high wages" only for a chosen few the rest of us just want a minimum wage (thats being eroded by the Tories) "coruption" always there whoevers in power "cuts" Tories again king of cuts timbuktu far away but sweat shop of europe almost here, check out: "Andrew Marr show of hands" on hear and watch William Hague's face..says it all
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet i checked out the video you recomended!but i dont understand some things...first of all who are tories??is the guys talking with the journalist one of tories?and why do you call them tories?in my opinion this politician is like every politician at the party that is not gorvement...speaks some truth but when the time comes its all in the past.ive seen this in greece for years..the truth is that UK has problems with interest rates thought and this is gona cost...is he a minister???
DoelGr 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet im not blaming only your last gorvement in fact i now little about your gorvement...the fact is that the gorvements in europe created all that big debt...and this is not a scheme of the emerging powers...on the last why do you blame corporate greed when your gorvement borrwed all that money??for how long will you be able to borrow,even if this crisis didnt hapen??its naive to say that the politicians didnt have to do with any of that...
DoelGr 1 year ago
Tax avoidance and greed is Killing the NHS
Guess which multi-millionaire tax avoider hasn’t yet featured in the Sunday Times’s outraged coverage of the subject?
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
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greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
Philip Green billionaire, runs some of the biggest names in the UK.like Topshop, Topman, Dorothy Perkins, Burton, Miss Selfridge and British Home Stores.He is not a non-dom. He lives in the UK, works in the UK. pays tax on his salary in the UK. seems to be in order. Until you realise that he does not own any of the Arcadia group that he runs. Instead, it is in the name of his wife who has not done a single day’s work for the company. Mrs Green lives in Monaco, she pays not a penny of income tax
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet It's not just the evil, top hatted businessman who is able to find such loopholes, of course. Did you know, for example, that the company behind the trendy but low-circulation left-wing newspaper The Guardian, which can often be found going after people like Philip Green, is based offshore for tax-dodging purposes?
Don't be too quick to pigeonhole these people - they are not always who the Leftist politicians and newspaper columnists would like you to believe they are.
InTheRainstorm 1 year ago
@InTheRainstorm Politicians from all sides of the house over the years have raised concerns over large scale tax avoidance, however nothing is ever done about it thats because many MPs are influenced by big business (bought) and the media encourage ordinary people to turn on each other! gives em a scape goat...maybe opposing sides should meet in Trafalgar square and throw stones at each other like in Egypt.
Then those in power might listen.
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
Are we all in it together ?Tesco control 30% of the UK grocery market and have over 2,000 stores in the UK. In 2010 they made a profit of £3.4bn, yet they will still go to great lengths to avoid paying tax. Using complex legal structures Tesco has avoided stamp duty land tax to the tune of £90-£100m and £23m in stamp duty. And the CleggCamsham target people trying to get by with little employment ..what a joke
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet The Tories and the Lib Dems are easy targets, here. But they've been in power for a few months. Who were the masters at the Treasury and Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs for the last thirteen years, during which Tesco thrived and achieved its position of dominance? Blair, Brown, and Balls - Labour men. Men who won elections whinging about school milk and the fate of the miners for decades, but who never bought a single carton or re-opened a single mine.
Don't be duped again.
InTheRainstorm 1 year ago
@InTheRainstorm ..thats right 2 months and people aready know that they are wrecking things, no one wanted the ClegCamSham Oridiary voters have been betrayed bigstyle, I predict the Lib Dems in particular will never recover from the backlash thats coming. Accident waiting to happen!
businessmen/women should pay the same level of tax no matter how big they are as eveyone else..tax avoidence is big time scrounging.
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
again genius these executives suck this is why Cameron is dissolving the NHS they should be enforcing car parks
gsm73 1 year ago
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The NHS isn't perfect, but fecking hell we will miss it when it's gone. I just don't understand why some people don't understand how blessed we are to have it. Right now, anyone reading this may sadly need the NHS......an MI, a car accident, a CVA... I hope you don't, but as it stands the last thing you will have to worry about is how you are going to pay for the care you receive that may save your life, or that of your loved one. Long live the NHS xx
icklefig 1 year ago
The NHS isn't perfect, but fecking hell we will miss it when it's gone. I just don't understand why some people don't understand how blessed we are to have it. Right now, anyone reading this may sadly need the NHS......an MI, a car accident, a CVA... I hope you don't, but as it stands the last thing you will have to worry about is how you are going to pay for the care you receive that may save your life, or that of your loved one. Long live the NHS xx
icklefig 1 year ago 2
@icklefig We're not THAT blessed. Most Western countries have universal healthcare, and most of them provide a better service than the NHS does. It's bullshit to pretend it's just a straight choice between the American system and the British one - there's also the French system, the Dutch system, the Singaporean system... And all of them seem to have lower costs and better health outcomes than the NHS. Is it not worth considering that, just maybe, our way is not the only way?
InTheRainstorm 1 year ago
@InTheRainstorm Having looked at the provision of healthcare in the countries you mention I can see the benefits (not without their own problems though) That said I don't think the UK government are looking at these countries for inspiration, do you? I feel that in the UK the only choice we are being given is the NHS or privatisation. The NHS is being privatised through the back door as we speak and in that sense I can only compare it to the USA. I would rather the live with the NHS thanks. xx
icklefig 1 year ago
@icklefig You're right, the debate IS conducted as though the choice is between the NHS and American healthcare. But as we both know, if we look around at what OTHER countries are doing, we see that this is a false dichotomy.
Still, at the end of your post you have given up. "I would rather live with the NHS thanks", you say, playing into the hands of the people who pretend that it's either the NHS or nothing. It DOESN'T have to be the NHS or nothing; don't let yourself be manipulated!
InTheRainstorm 1 year ago
@InTheRainstorm ... Please believe me when I say I haven't given up, although having re read my comment I can understand why it read that way. I believe in the idealism of the NHS. I accept that you may think that I am unrealistic. I am proud that we have the NHS, that everyone is entitled to free healthcare despite what they earn. It is a beautiful concept that I am prepared to fight for. I think we should all fight for it. Long live the NHS :o) xx
P.s I'm not easily manipulated :o)
icklefig 1 year ago
and the administration of a health service for 65million people would be less in the private sector? where decisions over treatment would have to be consulted with insurance admin rather than the doctor making the choice based on medical need. or the scores of sales agents needed to sell policies to people. Not to mention the vast vast vast sums of money diverted away from medical expenses into profit for shareholders. Treatment based on need not ability to pay. I LOVE the NHS.
andyrogers1986 1 year ago
and the administration of a health service for 65million people would be less in the private sector? where decisions over treatment would have to be consulted with insurance admit rather than the doctor making the choice based on medical need. or the scores of sales agents needed to sell policies to people. Not to mention the vast vast vast sums of money diverted away from medical expenses into profit for shareholders. Treatment based on need not ability to pay. I LOVE the NHS.
andyrogers1986 1 year ago
What a bullshitter "He's saving you and me a few bob" excuse me, he is making more than a "few bob " out of the patient, arrogant bastard "He left the NHS 22 years ago" so given his age that would the day after he qualified ". " i'm not good at being told what to do by people" I'll bet the shit is bloody good at telling the lesser mortals under him what to do and treating them like shit the wanker.
davijeph 1 year ago
If he's such a great surgeon then why wasn't he keeping his eyes on the patient?
PastafariansWON 1 year ago
@PastafariansWON He was to busy keeping his eye on his wallet.
davijeph 1 year ago 17
@davijeph LOL! That deserves to voted up! :)
PastafariansWON 1 year ago
This surgeon shouldn't talk about surgery! Any kind for that matter! .. A surgeon never washes pre-op with rings on fingers .. how the f**k could he clean underneet ? Does are not aseptic condition
But what do I know?! I'm from third world-ish Romania, no ?
Daniumfcv 1 year ago
They ration.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
There were riots under Thatcher
Is it ever right to Riot ??
Well if they try take the NHS off the people or under fund it until it cant cope of I think yes.
Watch out Cameron's about and he's lying through his teeth.
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet "Government" can only provide funds for the NHS when there is a pool of money to extract from from the private sector in taxation to pay for them. When the private sector is fucked (as it is now) then of course funds to pay for, say, cash rewards for fat people when they meet weight-loss targets (this exists) are going to dry up. Government has no money. Only what it takes from people working in the private sector.
InTheRainstorm 1 year ago
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greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@InTheRainstorm Sorry but people in the public sector also pay taxes, the pool of money as you call it comes from a variety of different sources and in the main its from taxes paid by ordinary folk who could never afford private care. The private sector is FUCKED alright and thats because of a global recession brought about by corporate greed.
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet Sure, people in the public secotr also pay taxes. But who pays their wages in the first place? Government. Where does government get the money to pay their wages? By taxing private businesses and the "orginary folk" who work in them. When the government taxes people in the public sector - who it paid in the first place - it is basically just shuffling money in forward and then back again; it's a useless, wasteful exercise. Bemoan "corporate greed" all you want, that's reality.
InTheRainstorm 1 year ago
@InTheRainstorm You talking bollocks people earn their money they dont just get it for nothing, everyones taxed not just businesses, in fact percentage wise businesses pay less. The Labour NI tax for eveyone before the election was fair ..Torries said they would drop it..what they dident say was they would drop it for businesses only! another con from the CleggCam Sham
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet
And what do businesses do? That's right they employ people, they pay Employers NI and salaries and part of that salary is NI ....again. Honestly do you think money grows on trees?
SidandCoke 1 year ago
@SidandCoke
Tories said they would stop the increase of NI so called jobs tax in fact what they really meant was they would stop the employers NI increase not the employees!!
The public were missled,now we have increased NI and VAT increase.
Large businesses also use tax avoidance scams!! so who are the scroungers?
The man who does a bit of window cleaning on the side?
Or the businesses who scam the country out of billions through tax avoidance?
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
@greatwhitepoet To be fair, when you avoid tax you aren't scrounging OTHER people's money, you're just not giving YOURS to the government for it to spend - you know, on things like invading Iraq and Sky TV subscriptions for prison cells.
InTheRainstorm 1 year ago
@InTheRainstorm If the public vote em in (or not in this case!) they decide what to spend it on.
And tax avoidance is scrounging under a posh name because true tax payers have to take up the slack. are we all in this together ? no we are not some are more in it than others.
greatwhitepoet 1 year ago
Private sector sucks... Here in America it's really horrible... Because they take advantage of people.. If a person has private insurance and they feel the person is always getting sick they will "BOOT" them off the coverage really quick.. it's in-human.
CombatMedic2k9 1 year ago
@CombatMedic2k9 Or they will raise the fucking premium... pieces of shit!!! So, how do I become a British citizen?
MatchCard 1 year ago
@MatchCard You don't even have to become a British citizen. All you have to do is LIVE, legally,in Britain, and the NHS is there for you to use.
shmuli9 1 year ago
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Private practice "doctors" are money grabbing sell outs who recited the Hippocratic oath with their fingers crossed behind their backs. I am from the U.K but it seems like you are from mars. We have our NHS and the doctors who work for the NHS have bad hours not as good pay (but still no to bad) they do all this because the care and don't go home at 5.
DarthNimod29979245 1 year ago
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the nhs has turned out to be a 60 year mistake. it once was good - when you had matrons on wards but there are too many people who have come to england that have acute ailments from their poor countrys that now cost the nhs relentlessly.
thus, people like me - white, london born, straight male has to wait 2 weeks to merely see a doctor for 2 minutes.
Good deterrant, this is what the government does - puts obstruction in the way so people don't bother
some choice
sweetypie000 2 years ago
Not only the NHS, For eery man the British army has in uniform there are 2 people in offices organising what he does!!! I think he would rather he had some more ammo or perhaps some more people with him! As a medical student I would rather have my debt reduced than have lots of people shouting at me what to do the state of organisation in the NHS is RIDICULOUS!!!!! You need managers to organise things but they shouldn't outnumber the people they organise! X
MedicalDB 2 years ago
wasn't it the torries who put them there
vicious12394 2 years ago
Nurses are underpaid doctors are overpaid and the NHS is an Imigrant Magnet.
xRxixcxhxtxexrx 2 years ago
I thought the NHS had over 60 million patients.
guyburns 2 years ago
how can there be more admin then patients.....
shanario 2 years ago
Admin make up 7.6% of the NHS workforce; managers make up 2.7%. Nurses are 30% of the workforce and doctors, 9.6%. So if there were more admin than patients that would also mean that there are more doctors than patients and WAY more nurses than patients. Each patient could have their own doctor and several nurses EACH. It's obviously not the case. The man in the video was at best, grossly exagerating; at worst, batantly lying. (Not saying I'm a fan of managers though!)
Robf987 2 years ago 15
i did suspect that was the case.
shanario 2 years ago
@Robf987
7.6+2.7+30+9.6 # 100%
7.6+2.7+30+9.6 + 50.1% extra for administration = 100%
kotarak 2 years ago 2
@Robf987 "Admin make up 7.6% of the NHS workforce; managers make up 2.7%. Nurses are 30% of the workforce and doctors, 9.6%."
13.7% of bird deaths in 2007 were caused by flying into an airplane. See, you can make up whatever the hell you want on the internet.
IVoteNone 1 year ago
@Robf987 And if that was he case then surely it shows the flaws of the system and how wasteful it is with the tax payers money. under-employment, as it is known would never happen if the people actually paying for the system had and say in how their money was spent.
JREwingofDallasTexas 7 months ago
I have no problem with him entering private practice as soon as he has paid back the costs of his free training.
tonycaegarw 2 years ago 3
interesting, but i wonder if he doesnt like universal healthcare all together or how it is currently run in the uk
samtart 2 years ago