People with CP *DO* serve a good purpose on earth. They might not be able to move as easily, and in some cases they might not be able to think as quickly. However, there is a deep difference between mental quickness and intelligence as well as intelligence and wisdom. They also tend to be sweet spirited, and less likely to be judgmental of people. Because of that, they are often people that others enjoy being around. There is WAY more to life than our conception of 'perfection'.
@WINKLERthaMAN Wrong. Africa is not a climate. However, the heat in Africa and blistering sun is climate. Yes, they are dark due to climate. Yes, deafness is part of life but is not part of evolution. It's caused by synthetic things.
@QuicksilverdotFX Really? Deaf people existed thousands of years ago. You see mention of them by Greek philosophers like Aristotle and Socrates. Synthetic things were not made then. How do you explain that?
@QuicksilverdotFX I didn't say Aristotle or Socrates were deaf. You might want to read Cratylus, where there was discussion ABOUT the Deaf and whether they were able to reason or not.
@shelpotma1 I didn't say you did? The word deaf used by the philosophers weren't in literal means. Ever heard of the famous saying: "Are you deaf or something?!" They don't mean literally. I'm beginning to think you are just retarded.
@WINKLERthaMAN Why are people white? Simple. Climate. Why are people dark? Simple. Climate. Look at hot places of Earth, people are darker. Colder places have lighter people. High altitudes have bigger noses, etc. It's part of the evolution. As for hearing impairment, it is not a part of evolution. It's mutation. For example, I became deaf due to man-made mutated cells. Some are born deaf due to diseases such as german measles (also engineered by humans).
Exactly. I've always been struck by how steady the Deaf population has been, throughout history -- regardless of medical advances, and control of diseases which are believed to cause deafness. It's almost as if there's a minimum quorum of Deaf people *required* for the human species, in order to keep a working Sign Language available, in case a mass catastrophe makes Spoken Language unworkable. Because what matters is our communication -- not our modes.
@CapriUni Very good point. Yes -- there has always been a fairly constant percentage of Deaf people on Earth throughout history, and I like that "minimum quorum required" issue. Have you read "Mindfield" by John Egbert? He suggested just that scenario you suggested here.
@DrDonGCSUS No, but I've read about it... Personally, I'm Hearing, but have cerebral palsy, which is when people are born with different wiring in the brain that effects how they move. There many different causes. But again, throughout history, the ratio of people with CP are roughly the same -- about 1 in 500. I've often wondered if Humanity also needs a quorum of "different ways to move" to society evolving. As you point out, whether God or Evolution: we're here, so we must belong.
@CapriUni I find your perspective quite intriguing. Reminds me of a book, "No Pity" by Joseph Shapiro. If you haven't read it, you probably will find it worthwhile.
Out of curiosity (and to test a hypothesis of mine), if you were offered a pill tomorrow that would cure you of having CP, would you take it? If not, why? And are there many other CP folks who feel the same way as you?
@DrDonGCSUS oh, heck no! As for why -- well, I was born this way. And I wouldn't have become the person I am without it. I don't know if "many" people with CP feel the same way (based on all the people with CP on the planet), but I've certainly never met anyone with CP who wishes to be cured. BTW, medical "experts" say CP can "cause" retardation. But I've never met any of those folks; I've seen many very bright people *treated* as if they're retarded -- then, I've seen them roll their eyes.
@CapriUni That's because they aren't in the public. I can assure you the retardation exists in great numbers with CP. I've been working in 7 different facilities that they live in.
@QuicksilverdotFX The statistic that 1/3 to 1/2 all people with CP have "some level of retardation" might be absolutely true. But even that high stat means 1/2 to 2/3 of people with CP have (at least) normal intelligence. And I fear misdiagnosis, especially for kids who can't talk, and then it becomes a self-fullflilling prophecy.
@CapriUni Oh, no, I don't go by their ability to speak. Just their reaction to situations. I can observe their thinking process for many things. It is pretty sad they have to go through that stuff. Some don't even realize it, though.
People with CP are just like everyone else. They just give us a fresh air of diversity (ideas, personalities, thought process, etc.) on Earth.
DeafBirdsEyeNews 8 months ago
People with CP *DO* serve a good purpose on earth. They might not be able to move as easily, and in some cases they might not be able to think as quickly. However, there is a deep difference between mental quickness and intelligence as well as intelligence and wisdom. They also tend to be sweet spirited, and less likely to be judgmental of people. Because of that, they are often people that others enjoy being around. There is WAY more to life than our conception of 'perfection'.
jlyertv 8 months ago
@WINKLERthaMAN Wrong. Africa is not a climate. However, the heat in Africa and blistering sun is climate. Yes, they are dark due to climate. Yes, deafness is part of life but is not part of evolution. It's caused by synthetic things.
QuicksilverdotFX 8 months ago
@QuicksilverdotFX Really? Deaf people existed thousands of years ago. You see mention of them by Greek philosophers like Aristotle and Socrates. Synthetic things were not made then. How do you explain that?
shelpotma1 8 months ago
@shelpotma1 They weren't deaf. Sorry.
QuicksilverdotFX 8 months ago
@QuicksilverdotFX I didn't say Aristotle or Socrates were deaf. You might want to read Cratylus, where there was discussion ABOUT the Deaf and whether they were able to reason or not.
shelpotma1 8 months ago
@shelpotma1 I didn't say you did? The word deaf used by the philosophers weren't in literal means. Ever heard of the famous saying: "Are you deaf or something?!" They don't mean literally. I'm beginning to think you are just retarded.
QuicksilverdotFX 8 months ago
@QuicksilverdotFX Again, with the namecalling? wow. Ever hear of the famous saying: "DO YOUR HOMEWORK"? Well do it!
shelpotma1 8 months ago
@WINKLERthaMAN Why are people white? Simple. Climate. Why are people dark? Simple. Climate. Look at hot places of Earth, people are darker. Colder places have lighter people. High altitudes have bigger noses, etc. It's part of the evolution. As for hearing impairment, it is not a part of evolution. It's mutation. For example, I became deaf due to man-made mutated cells. Some are born deaf due to diseases such as german measles (also engineered by humans).
QuicksilverdotFX 8 months ago
Curious! What happened to Carl Schroeder? Haven't seen him doing any more vlogs..
leogirl63 9 months ago
@leogirl63 He had a heart attack (mild) a while back. Still resting up, I guess.
DrDonGCSUS 9 months ago
Exactly. I've always been struck by how steady the Deaf population has been, throughout history -- regardless of medical advances, and control of diseases which are believed to cause deafness. It's almost as if there's a minimum quorum of Deaf people *required* for the human species, in order to keep a working Sign Language available, in case a mass catastrophe makes Spoken Language unworkable. Because what matters is our communication -- not our modes.
CapriUni 9 months ago
@CapriUni Very good point. Yes -- there has always been a fairly constant percentage of Deaf people on Earth throughout history, and I like that "minimum quorum required" issue. Have you read "Mindfield" by John Egbert? He suggested just that scenario you suggested here.
DrDonGCSUS 9 months ago
@DrDonGCSUS No, but I've read about it... Personally, I'm Hearing, but have cerebral palsy, which is when people are born with different wiring in the brain that effects how they move. There many different causes. But again, throughout history, the ratio of people with CP are roughly the same -- about 1 in 500. I've often wondered if Humanity also needs a quorum of "different ways to move" to society evolving. As you point out, whether God or Evolution: we're here, so we must belong.
CapriUni 9 months ago
@CapriUni I find your perspective quite intriguing. Reminds me of a book, "No Pity" by Joseph Shapiro. If you haven't read it, you probably will find it worthwhile.
Out of curiosity (and to test a hypothesis of mine), if you were offered a pill tomorrow that would cure you of having CP, would you take it? If not, why? And are there many other CP folks who feel the same way as you?
DrDonGCSUS 9 months ago
@DrDonGCSUS oh, heck no! As for why -- well, I was born this way. And I wouldn't have become the person I am without it. I don't know if "many" people with CP feel the same way (based on all the people with CP on the planet), but I've certainly never met anyone with CP who wishes to be cured. BTW, medical "experts" say CP can "cause" retardation. But I've never met any of those folks; I've seen many very bright people *treated* as if they're retarded -- then, I've seen them roll their eyes.
CapriUni 9 months ago
@CapriUni That's because they aren't in the public. I can assure you the retardation exists in great numbers with CP. I've been working in 7 different facilities that they live in.
QuicksilverdotFX 8 months ago
@QuicksilverdotFX The statistic that 1/3 to 1/2 all people with CP have "some level of retardation" might be absolutely true. But even that high stat means 1/2 to 2/3 of people with CP have (at least) normal intelligence. And I fear misdiagnosis, especially for kids who can't talk, and then it becomes a self-fullflilling prophecy.
CapriUni 8 months ago
@CapriUni Oh, no, I don't go by their ability to speak. Just their reaction to situations. I can observe their thinking process for many things. It is pretty sad they have to go through that stuff. Some don't even realize it, though.
QuicksilverdotFX 8 months ago