@cminiear first of as your reply to me is concerned, show me this proof of your infinite god. Again you can't do your argument has no bearing. Secondly we have evidence if milty universes and though the laws of our universe apply to us here, we have no idea if laws of other universes. Once again WE HAVE NO IDEA! And for anyone to claim they do because of a "god" is pure ignorance and arrogance.
I did want to add this question to all the "believers". If god created all, who created god? And of you say he created himself, then wouldn't that be contrary in the same means as the big bang theory?
@cchristiansen1985 God always existed. I know its hard to grasp but God's ways are higher than ours. If he has the power to create the Universe Then he has the power to be infinate. We cant grasp it only because we are finate. Did you know that the word Universe is broken down this way?.....Uni-single, and Verse-spoken sentence. God was known to have spoken the world into existence
Who is to say atheists believe in the big bang theory? Where does this notion come from? There are many theories (including a higher power). Most atheists, if asked about the origin of life, would say I DON'T KNOW. What is out that theists can understand about that. Only your complete arrogance could lead you to BLINDLY believe in a magical being without any solid proof. Faith is not proof. Look up faith in the dictionary. "the belief in something without any proof."
Science has no creed. Scientific journals are not concerned with metaphysics. If you ask scientists about their private opinions, many will say that they believe in a supernatural reality. Gallup poll: 40% of scientists believe in evolution with "intelligent design" (google "scientist god poll"). Scientists with solid reputations take the idea of afterlife seriously based on NDE studies (see Pam Reynolds You Tube). Greek word "theos" is vague.
What are you praying for, a puppy? You don't ask for tangable things in prayer. You ask for spiritual guidence. Free will does exist. What you get confused is in God as a "knower" and God as a "causer." God doesn't cause anything, we choose what path we take, not us, though God knows. What I don't get, honestly, is how people can believe in the big bang without God. If the big bang was a result or the "starting point of all things" who or what set it in motion.
@PkerOfThePures2699 Likewise is you buy a cookie jar, cookies won't just appear without some outside force acting on it and placing the cookies there. If God created the world and universe via the big bang then that fine. I just don't see who or what caused this "magical" event known as the big bang without some superior being
I think finding God's hand in the workings of the Universe is like a fish realizing it's wet. Not easy, huh? And regarding our Christian 'morality under duress', does it not take a noble, humble character to accept our moral shortcomings, and submit to a higher moral law (assuming there is one, indulge me here)? If you do right all the time NATURALLY, well lucky you! Everyone of us is flawed and has had experiences and upbringings that can cause us to lack certain things. Merry xmas
even in the Bible God is described as a force that is in everything and is everywhere. how can an individual being fit these descriptions? it cant
i also believe in life after death. the thought of nothing happening after death is, i think even more absurd than a "heaven'. i am only 17 and i have thought alot about what death could actually mean. i have thought even longer about what it means to be alive. you dont find it disturbing that after you die it will be just like before you were born?
if you ever do a psychedelic i think u will change sides, but thats just my opinion. i see God as the good force of life that encourages everyone to personally make the right choice and one day they will be judged for the actions and choices they made in that life. and this Devil is the evil temptation of life that causes us to make wrong choices. i DO NOT see these characters as individuals but rather as forces.
i am not criticizing u at all in fact im pleased with the fact that you are opposed to something rather than beleiving it bcuz everyone else says its true. but i beleive their is some sort of "force" that exists in and of everything that we know as God. i think the reason most pple dont beleive in God is bcuz they cant understand "Him" we have NEVER encountered anything like "Him" so mentally we cant comprehend "Him" everything has a begining and ending except "God" and we cant grasp the concept
Except how do laws of lfie come about in the first place. What about those people that die for 15 minutes then randomly come back to life and start saying they left there body and saw some crazy stuff, like there was no sense of time and they were comunicating without a language. Since science cant acount for that yo dont believe in it? When the world was flat you would have defended that statement because science seem to prove that but then guess what the world fucking round
You seem very impressed with the fact that you can ACT morally-- eg. that you can refuse the opportunity to steal gasoline. But nobody is denying that atheists can ACT morally. The question is, do atheists have a philosophical basis for their morality?
You make yourself sound so tolerant in the beginning, but your true anti-theist bigotry comes out at the end. "If your purpose in life is to love God and get into heaven, you're no different from fungus waiting to die. You are an ant mindlessly serving your queen." I don't know, devoting your life to the maker of all seems pretty noble to me. By your view, we're just accidents in a hostile Universe ready to quash us out at any moment, with no memory of us surviving. How uplifting is that?
The argument against God that starts at 2:16 is truly WTF. God doesn't intervene in the world because scientific laws aren't constantly being violated!?! How many quantum-level physical phenomena are we truly monitoring? What's keeping those physical laws constant in the first place?
Do you believe in free will? Do you have objective proof of that? How do you square the concept of your own nondeterministic free will with your deterministic "physicalism"?
2. "...and which is taken in passing to and returning from the region diametrically opposite the pole over the earth’s surface with a mean velocity of about four hundred and seventy-one thousand two hundred and forty kilometers per second.” (ART OF TRANSMITTING ELECTRICAL ENERGY THROUGH THE NATURAL MEDIUMS, Nikola Tesla, USA Patent No. 787,412. Application May 16, 1900, patented April 18, 1905.)
1. “The most essential requirement is, however, that irrespective of frequency the wave or wave-train should continue for a certain interval of time, which I have estimated to be not less then one-twelfth or probably 0.08484 of a second..."
One of the VERY BEST videos that I've ever had the pleasure to watch, regarding why anyone would become an atheist and it also describes my life since I was a child to now, almost exactly. I am now 62 years-old, have been an atheist for around 6 years, and have 'known the truth and the truth has set me truly free.' I just wish so much that every Christian could watch this clip, but then, how many would be able to understand it? That is unfortunatley, the problem - folks being able to THINK.
Sounds rational. I don't believe like that. Personally I think the whole debate of whether or not God exist to be a waste of time. Nobody knows what happens to a persons soul or consciousness when they die. Nobody knows whether a soul or consciousness goes to heaven or is reborn in another human body or eternally sleeps. It is pointless to debate. I believe religion is for the individual. "What do you believe" is the question.You have just given us your answer.Personally I believe in God.
@belugafishgod I don't think the point is about what people believe, but whether they've got good reasons to believe that. Personally I could never find any good reason to believe in a god, and that's why omho debating the topic is not a waste of time (if the debaters are rational open minded persons).
I prefer NOT to use labels here cause humans are more complex than labels but, I suppose I'm more of a humanist. Personally, I believe that "god" isn't what makes religious people happy. It's the belief that someone is watching over them that gives them comfort. They just eradicate it to an extreme end and preach it like it's the absolute truth. Whats true for us now is that we don't know what the absolute truth is! All we have are theories. Some more plausible than others, but theories!
so this belief that everything is physical and that there is no supernatural no spirits no karma nothing that can not be testable by physical means... Is this belief testable by physical mean ?
This is my story from top to bottom, side to side and front to back. I see the world precisely the same, for EXACTLY what it is without any distraction. Thanks for letting me know it's not just me and Carl Sagan!! -Peace to you and humanity
One day, I woke up, how can we live our lives worried sick about pleasing or not pleasing God? I stopped thinking in terms of sin. Instead I have filled my life with projects, beauty, interesting books, interesting experiences and a lot less worries about what's going to happen when I die.
For the record, I am an atheist too and Karma is very much testable and scientific . Karma is simply the consequence of an action or a thought. That is all (as opposed to the western pop-culture usage of the word). If you hate/love somebody that is Karma. If you are attached-to/repulsed-by anything, that is also Karma, and it will have consequences. Those consequences will affect the body and mind and can definitely be tested.
@45iceopen i think karma can be called probability: if a person does something bad or good probability that another person or event will happen to the person thats doing a good thing or a bad thing the probability if things goes bad to a person is becoz theres a lot more probability that a negative thinking person domino-effects an event to happen to a good person or a group ah hope i made sense.
The concept of Karma has been around for thousands of years and it has nothing to do with probability. It is not for you to give a random new meaning to the word.
> if a person does something bad or good
Existentially there is no such thing as good/bad. It is your prejudice that labels things as good/bad. That very labeling is karma.
If you really want to know what Karma is, see: watch?v=w4om2mFrVRY
I was jotting some notes down about all the things you said, and found a number of implicit and explicit logical inconsistencies, and I could list them if you want. However, for my own investigation, can you please precisely explain how if God intervenes, there is not free will, and how if God spoke to profits it would cause "noble gases to react with other elements" or something of the like. FYI I didn't grow up a Christian. I became one while I was a senior finishing engineering school.
@JrStructengineer , It is pretty simple. If a human hears a voice, it is because molecules in the air are being vibrated by sound waves. The ear drum picks up on these vibrations. In the case of sound, something that obeys the laws of physics had to create the vibrations.
It is impossible to some unearthly imaginary person to do this.
Please save your brain from turning to complete mush, and leave religion now. Watch 'Fooled By Relgion (1/3) ' on my channel to learn Jesus's story
@JrStructengineer god doesn't exist so he doesn't intervene. he also didn't speak to profits or cause anything. now if you will excuse me i have to go feed my unicorns and get my leprachauns to give me some gold.
@JrStructengineer He was just citing examples of the kinds of things that might demonstrate the interference of a god. He did not say that the noble gases would react with other elements if God intervened, just that if the noble gases did suddenly start reacting with other elements we might infer a God from that. He is saying that we have never detected anything that could count as truly inexplicable, such as noble gases suddenly reacting with other elements would be.
I just celebrated my first year as an Atheist, and I must say, living delusion -free is the best thing that's ever happened to me. I don't need God anymore, I'm a good, kind, peaceful, loving person. and I now realize that I NEVER needed a God for me to be that. :D
but instead of me going to seek counseling with my pastor about it, I made the critical mistake of continuing to read the bible. I made it to the part where you read about Judus falling to the ground and dying, and then in a later part about him hanging himself... WHAT! the bible contradicted itself... So more and more I began to see this "loving" God for what he truly is... a made up fantasy by bronse age sick war mongerers. Then i found out last year that Jesus is no different than other Gods.
believe it or not, it was the bible, which was the last step to me becoming an Athist, I sat down one day and REALLY went through the bible, hoping to get closer to God, so I decided to read the bible from front to back, I made it to the end of Joshua and it's like suddenly EVERYTHING became cloudy, I couldn't understand how a loving God could order for so many people to die. suddenly I began to see that he was a tribal god, I tried to put it all into the back of my mind and move on.
@ofomatheblackbelt what is god? how was god created ? why did the formation of god take place? how did he form the universe? is god a person? is god enery? Why is god there? Why is the universe there? Are we alone? ect ect ect.
There are many reasons for someone's atheism, but one of them is definitely NOT about being angry at any god, or being sick of having moral rules like the ten commandments or something like it, a false assumption of some theists that I hate. Morality is a part of human nature. In fact, animals like dogs can be moral without gods or faith (moral meaning to the point of risking their own lives to save another), so why can't we?
Hercules was the son of Zeus, was part man, part god. Had superhuman abilities, died after the trials and tribulations of Hera. And rose to heaven to be a full god among Zeus and the other gods of Olympia. All this thousands of years before christianity. There are reoccurring themes in ancient mythology. Christianity is merely another form of mythology. Hades and the hell concept was lent from greek myth. So the god concept is not a unique one. However Atheism is not necessary to be moral.Peace
The irony is that the 'New Christians' are probably more 'physicalist' than most atheists. They believe in a literal God that can be revealed through rational thought, logic and scientific data. This is why they are ridiculed. They have dressed God up in a white lab coat using him to explain whatever science has not. Religion used to align and ground people's lives through its myths. Now it just seems to be a method of 'correcting' (actually twisting) people's ideas of truth and reality.
sure man but stop posting the same messages over and over, u are wasting CO2.
btw, i can make creation theories and i can find 1000's of facts to back it up but that isnt a tested SCIENTIFIC theory.the difference between the formal use of the word theory and the scientific use of the word should not be misunderstood
lol ure so simple minded, no wonder you're an atheist, im not replying to you if you reply to this comment btw, i have no interest in starting an argument, just had to say it, and may god bless you
.... moral person in general, and because I know it makes God happy. Pretty simple. I'd honestly question your own maturity if you still think that statement is true. We all have responsibility to behave a certain way regardless of whether you believe somebody is watching over you or not.
We do have complete free will, that is biblically clear. God guides us, He doesn't make our choices.
Science is just a revealing of a perfect universe God created. Unfortunately some theories pass for fact
"I could see nowhere God was required for the function of the universe"? How about the creation of a perfect Earth, let alone a perfect universe.
It's pretty disappointing that maybe you just couldn't recognise when God was answering your prayers. Prayers don't have to be answered by getting what we want, God is God - His will be done, not ours.
Ignorant statement that christians only do good because God is watching. I do good because it makes those around me happy, because I like to be a...
@JordanRossMackenzie The universe and the Earth are far from "perfect". Consider how much of the universe is hostile to our existence: all of it except our own planet. We're being bombarded by radiation and pathogens, we're in a constant struggle to find sufficient food and clean water, and nature throws tornadoes, hurricanes, floods and avalanches at us daily.
@JordanRossMackenzie Not only that, but when you consider the range of climates on Earth, we could be 37% closer to, or 15% further from, the sun and still survive. As for the "fine-tuning" of the universe, we could eliminate the weak force, one of the four fundamental forces, and things wouldn't be significantly different.
If god does whatever he wants regardless of our prayers, what's the point in praying? Why bother asking for help if it's not in god's plan? He's predetermined our fate.
@diagoras54 He hasn't predetermined our fate. 100% free will mate. You need to get your head around the idea that God knows all. Which means it is freewill in the sense that we make the choices. God already knows what choice that is going to be - that doesn't in any way take our part in the choice away. You ask for help because prayers are always answered. Either with a yes, no or not yet. God does have a plan but that doesn't take away the fact that we should pray.
@JordanRossMackenzie I've been told repeatedly by Christians that the only reason they do good is because god is watching them. I don't think they would turn into homicidal maniacs if their faith ever lapsed, but they use it as a reason to believe in god. Except for making god happy, it sounds like we have the same reasons for being moral; without the "divine policeman" argument, there's even less reason for being religious.
@diagoras54 dude you need to fix this page up. What's with the uploader comments? It makes everything messy. I didn't even notice those bottom three comments were there until later.
@JordanRossMackenzie I have no control over the page layout. Take it up with YouTube.
God has a plan, and he only grants those prayers which fit with his plan, but prayers are important and make a difference...You don't find that to be completely contradictory?
@JordanRossMackenzie Some theories pass for fact because they undergo rigorous testing and years of research. The same can't be said for religion. I will not take your dogma as fact just because you believe in it as hard as you can. Science has never found a phenomenon which could only be explained by invoking the supernatural; if ever we found something being manipulated by the hand of god, I would have no problem accepting the existence of a deity.
@diagoras54 .... and the only reason creation science theories or the Bible aren't considered as at least partial evidence toward there being a God, is because you are already set in your ways. You believe solely in the 'scientific facts' that are spoon fed to you by the people actually doing the research and theorising, never certain if they are accurate yourself yet willing to shoot down Christianity - + other religon- in flames. That to me is stupid and ignorant, not the other way around.
@JordanRossMackenzie "[T]he only reason creation science theories or the Bible aren't considered as at least partial evidence toward there being a God, is because you are already set in your ways." Did you even watch this video? Did you not hear the part where I said that I used to be a devout Christian? If I were only willing to accept my preconceptions, why am I no longer a Christian?
@diagoras54 yeah fair enough about the page layout I thought you must have changed it because it's your video.
Yeah I watched the video before I even considered responding. I found a lot of your arguments inconclusive, not really disproving God, and having a pretty immature opinion of Christianity and Christians as a whole. You say you used to be a devout Christian. What does that mean, you went to church a lot? Is tht meant to give you some form of credibility in denying Christianity not true
@JordanRossMackenzie I say I used to be a devout Christian because you said I'm only reconfirming my preconceptions. My original preconceptions were that god existed, so if I'm reconfirming my preconceptions I should still be a Christian. Do I really have to spell it out for you? As for my familiarity with the Bible, I've read it cover to cover, making notes about its inconsistencies and contradictions, which is likely more study than you've put into your religion.
@JordanRossMackenzie I don't accept the Bible as being correct because it's scientifically incorrect (the continents float on the oceans, the Earth was made before the sun, the Earth is supported on pillars), it's archaeologically incorrect (there was no Exodus or conquest of Canaan), and the oldest texts we've found are at least 300 years younger than the events they portray. The only portions of it we've been able to confirm are things everyone in the Middle East would have known.
@JordanRossMackenzie As for the NT, I could just as easily get four of my friends to write differing portrayals of how I performed miracles and proved I'm the son of god, but that doesn't make it true. We have zero evidence that anything depicted in the NT actually happened.
Creationism is, purely, the confirmation of Biblical preconceptions. The entire point is to prove that what Christians already believe is true by bastardizing science. You're a hypocrite.
@JordanRossMackenzie It's not that I'm not open-minded - quite the contrary - it's that there isn't a single piece of evidence that god actually exists. And even if you were to prove that there is some kind of deity, that doesn't mean that it created the universe, nor that it's benevolent and omniscient, nor that it sacrificed itself for our sins, or whatever your particular brand of dogmatic nonsense is.
@diagoras54 You're the same as all the rest. You fob off faith as dogma due to your own self of unworth and to pretend you have some form of greater knowledge than the average joe. Creation Science continually finds way to support theories that revolve around a young Earth, not to mention supporting Scriptural stories. And what about the Bible. Literature makes up plenty of our ancient history even if we don't know it as fact. Aparently the Bible isn't credible...
@JordanRossMackenzie "You're the same as all the rest. You fob off faith as dogma due to your own self of unworth and to pretend you have some form of greater knowledge than the average joe." I detect a great deal of projection here. However, where you unquestionably accept the word of creation "scientists", I not ony read the actualy peer-reviewed articles, but seek out the source data. I never believe what I'm told, I always verify it and see if it contradicts the basic principles of science.
@JordanRossMackenzie Creation "science" is based on the complete failure to understand things as basic as gravity and DNA; you demonstrated that you know nothing about the universe by claiming that it and the Earth are "perfect", which is just repeating something you were told. The entire reason I made this channel is to refute creationism, and I rarely have to go further than things like calculating rates of erosion.
@diagoras54 Personally all that means to me is that you didn't know your bible well enough to begin with and that you had weak faith. It doesn't prove to me that you had some form of epiphany.
"Creation "science" is based on the complete failure to understand things as basic as gravity and DNA" wow you have a great understanding of it. You are just as indoctrinated as atheists claim that Christians are. You ignore the thousands of arguments the opposition presents because it differs you views.
@JordanRossMackenzie Thousands of arguments? As of the official census in 1999, 600 scientists in America felt creationism was the best option for explaining the natural world. The remaining 1,107,500 disagreed and stand firmly by evolution. But even if this weren't the case, you don't get to vote on truth and citing popular opinion does not alter scientific knowledge. Any system which says "If you find this system wrong that just means you didn't believe hard enough" is bullshit.
@JordanRossMackenzie As Christopher Hitchens so aptly says "Faith is NOT a virtue" - faith is the active ability to hold onto ideas in the face of evidence. The stronger your faith is, the more you can resist. Those that can resist the greatest of evidence are the most faithful and most "virtuous." Bah! Please. We call those people "ignoramus"
@diagoras54 "These concepts are ridiculously simple, but you don't understand them because you don't bother going to the actual data." What concepts and what actual data? You didn't even answer the point I made. Why is the Bible not a credible literature resource when it has more evidence and more books to support it than a lot of other literature regarding the time that we take as fact or history?
@diagoras54 You didn't answer my question, you just avoided it. Why is Biblical literature not considered credible when it has more evidence and books supporting it than a lot of other literature from the time that we regard as fact or history? Why are not all scientific experiments considered regardless of whether they combat the scientific norm of the world's timeline or evolution. I'm not saying all of creation science is gospel, I'm saying you ignore opposition. Isn't that indoctrination?
@JordanRossMackenzie: The reality is NO such ancient literature is considered fully historically accurate. That is the nature of having such an old text with little ability to actually confirm. The diff is that looking at the Socratic method or the Roman Empire gives you tools and insight to use, regardless of whether the details are actually true. The bible is BUILT on in-errancy and tell you how you must act towards other people. (1/2)
@nybgrus pfft yeah righto mate. The Qu'ran that is the teaching from one man that was "remembered" by a few individuals for generations and then formed into a book is just as credible as the thousands of people who saw Christ and followed Him, the apostles who administered His teaching form day dot, and the gospels that were written as an account by the people who followed Him. Don't pretend you know anything significant about Church history.
@JordanRossMackenzie Actually, the first gospel wasn't written until after 70 AD, and the last was written after 135. Considering life expectancies in Judea at the time were less than fifty, it's highly unlikely that any apostle lived for 35 years after Jesus died, let alone four, let alone one living a century more. And we actually have historical records of tens of thousands listening to Mohammed's preaching; we have none of Jesus even having existed, so we don't know how many listeners he had
@diagoras54 Rock on brother! Thanks for pulling out the numbers for me, since I would have had to grab my books for it. These faith-heads often fault me for not knowing precisely which verse or the exact dates, but I must admit - memorizing what I need to know to be a physician is much more important. Plus it is a double standard - when they can't tell me the details of biochemistry and molecular genetics that doesn't back down their claim to veracity.
@JordanRossMackenzie Don't tell me that - tell the Muslims who outnumber the Christians almost 2:1. I think both are bullshit, but you think everyone but you is bullshit. And in fact, I do know a lot more about bible history than you may think. I have read books from BOTH sides of the argument specifically to satisfy myself of that. I also know that ancient history is by it's very nature NOT accurate. Some things are more than others, but complete inerrency that the bible claims is just total BS
@JordanRossMackenzie Therefore, you must have EXTRAORDINARY proof of its veracity to be able to justify hating homosexuals, punishing for pre-marital sex, forbidding masturbation, etc. Basically anything that give you the RIGHT and ONUS to tell someone else what to do needs SERIOUS proof. That is lacking in the bible, the same as in texts by Plato, Pliny, or any of the OTHER books of "God" you choose to call wrong. Your book is NOT special and has just as much evidence for it as the Qu'ran. (2/2
@nybgrus You didn't understand the point I was trying to make mate. I'm not trying to convince you that creation science is right. I'm showing you that regardless of your scientific facts, you'd still have the same opinion of Christianity because you're indoctrinated by 'common' science. You don't want to recognise other sciences that could poke holes in your set found belief, you don't recognise Christ or the Bible because it is damaging to your belief. Sounds like a false religion to me.
@JordanRossMackenzie My opinion of Christianity is the same as that of all religion and all assertions of a personal god. And it is formed first in the forges of a over a decade of dedicated study and training in ALL fields of science and tested against continued attempts at reconciliation with numerous religious texts, including the bible. I was not always atheist and certainly only recently anti-theist. It has been YEARS of careful debate and deliberation in the making.
@nybgrus and obviously you don't, and never did, understand the Bible if you think of it as a book of rules. The Bible doesn't teach Christians to hate homosexuals, it teaches you to love your neighbour like you love yourself. It doesn't punish for pre-marital sex, the only punishment christians get is possibly in extreme cases being removed from a church because they are living completely in sin and could be affected the Christians around them. Forbidding masturbation? Heard of Legalism?
@JordanRossMackenzie So the 613 rules god gave humans aren't actually rules? What about the rules Jesus gave to his disciples? And if it isn't a book of instructions for us, just what exactly is it? What value does it have?
@diagoras54 “[Jesus], which is the great commandment in the law?” And he said to him, ’You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”
Rules suggests punishment when broken. Christ died for the judgement of sinners already. Read your bible mate, you're way off. Bye
@JordanRossMackenzie Yes, the punishment for breaking the commandments is hell. The root of "commandment" is "command", that is to order, ie to give rules. The Bible explicitly states what the punishments for breaking the commandments are. Obviously I've read more of your holy book than you have.
@diagoras54 Yeah man I doubt it but if you think you've read a lot of the Bible that's a good thing I suppose.
The only way to Hell is the rejection f Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. We're all sinners in need of a saviour. The two commandments that Jesus gave sum up all of God's will for us. If I break a commandment does that mean I'm going to Hell? No. The sin against the Holy Spirit is the only thing that'll send you to Hell, and that means rejecting Christ altogether.
@JordanRossMackenzie - Jesus, Dionysus, Buddah, Horus, etc.. were all born of virgins, performed miracles, had 12 disciples, born on the 25th of December and were considered the savior of humanity.
The difference? The other gods are OLDER than Jesus, so Christianity (being only 2,000 years old) got the upper hand.
Do your research, mate. You're following yet another scapegoat.
Here, let me read you a quote from my favorite book. Since, apparently, that's what you're doing to us here. Hehe
@JordanRossMackenzie That is YOUR interpretation of the bible. The very fact that there are 38,000 denominations of Christianity, each with a different interpretation of the SAME text and EACH citing theirs as the correct word of god immediately invalidates your claims. The moment you can cherry pick the messages and ideas you want from the bible to support your theism is the moment you must admit that it is baseless. YOU may not hate homosexuals, but the church and MANY christians do.
@nybgrus What church? your a dumb arse mate. You make these claims that are complete bullshit. I don't cherry pick Bible verses. And that is why I dont hate homo's. I have homo friends, and homo relatives. Probably had a lot more to do with gay people than you have. I dont care if your old church taught you to hate homosexuals, that isn't what the bible teaches. By that standard I'd be hating every person who sins, so everybody. What is with this twisted theology you come out with?
@JordanRossMackenzie So you are claiming that there are no churches and no people who cite the bible as reason for hating homosexuals (or that these are just a fringe minority)? If so, then clearly you are the dumbarse. If not, then once again we come back to the idea that YOUR specific church/interpretation of the bible is the "correct" one. An idea that a LARGE amount of god-fearing (always hated the term) Christians would fight you against and I am not necessary.
@nybgrus Mate I'm saying that if a church teaches people to hate homosexuals then they are blatantly inaccurate to the Bible. NOT MY BIBLE, NOT MY CHURCH, NOT MY BRAND OF CHRISTIANITY. That is common, idiot. You ask 10 random christians you meet on the street if their Bible teaches them to hate homosexuals and see what they say. Man no wonder you are an athiest.
@JordanRossMackenzie You keep hammering in my point while never seeing the nail. Impressive. YOUR bible, YOUR church, YOUR christianity. Yet, do you believe that since I don't believe in YOUR bible, YOUR church, and YOUR christianity then I am going to hell? What if I believe in a god, but not YOUR god? The point is that innumerable people make the EXACT same claims using the EXACT same evidence about THEIR church, THEIR bible, etc. So once again, your claims are weak and certainly not special.
@nybgrus "do you believe that since I don't believe in YOUR bible, YOUR church, and YOUR christianity then I am going to hell? "
No I don't, I never claimed to say that so I don't know why you'd come out with it. You read whatever Bible you want, I was just trying to suggest one that I believe is accurate to original manuscripts- I've read others as well. you go to whatever church you want, I was just trying to look out for your spiritual welfare. And chances are, if you were a christian,...
@JordanRossMackenzie Quite frankly I don't mind people having their spirituality or individual beliefs. My problem is when they try to "save" me. My bigger problem is when they try and "save" the world. My BIGGEST when they try and push their non-scientific religious and FAITH based claims as equivalent education. So if you quietly believe what you want, do not harm others, and do not poison the minds of children with stories of hell and ideas that creationism is science... (1/2)
@JordanRossMackenzie .... then my beef is not with you. But if your beliefs transcend the personal and invade the public sphere and put forth these notions of quackery and pseudo-science, then I do take specific issue. I refuse to stand idly by whilst "faith" and dogma undermine the hard work of science and poison the minds of children to believe that answers and conclusions can come before evidence and reason. I have no desire to "save" you personally, but to ensure you do not condemn others.
@nybgrus ... but all christians are still going to believe the same thing as far as christ goes. The aim of christians isnt to make all christians beleive the same thing. It is to give unbelieving people the opportunity to beleive in God. That is love. You may not see it that way. But think of it from a Christian point of view. Each person that believes in Christ goes to heaven ( put simply ). What do you think we do it out of a desire to prove everyone else wrong. It is love motivated mate.
@nybgrus And you know that is such a hypocritical point of view as well, we already don't allow Scripture taught in public schools anymore, but we force science (evlution) into them as a prerequisite class until year 9 or 10. How is that for a double standard? If I believe in all my heart that the Bible is the truth, why shouldn't I have the opportunity to teach others, not condemn, but offer the opportunity to accept it as truth, without badgering them OF COURSE?
@nybgrus "do you believe that since I don't believe in YOUR bible, YOUR church, and YOUR christianity then I am going to hell?"
No i dont. Did I ever say this. You read whatever bible, you go to whatever church, and chances are yeah, if you were a christian, we'd have slightly different interprretations of the bible. Have I claimed condemnation on any of these? No. Does the Bible? No. Faith in Christ is the only way to inherit salvation. ALL of christianity is synonymous on this.
@JordanRossMackenzie Yet there are denominations that would disagree with you. And you seem at least more enlightening than most religious people but still not fully there. "Slightly different" interpretation is putting it mildly. Go talk to the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland about that idea. Your form of religion seems more benign than most, but the root of the argument lies with the fact that you are, by all sets of reason, evidence, logic, etc EXACTLY equivalent to all those others. 1/2
@nybgrus It is slightly different because the core foundation of the gospel stays the same. Christ died on the cross for the sins of those who believe in Him. And just because people have killed eachother over the differences in the past doesnt make the differences any greater, and it doesnt mean that the bible is bad because man is willing to do stupid things over it. Plus, all the killing in northern ireland may have started as religious but didn't stay that way- Im sure you know this.
@JordanRossMackenzie Each sect or denomination claims its version is the best, the most ideal, and each has "proof" and "evidence" in exactly the same style and calibre as yours. I am not arguing that YOU are an evil person, but simply that YOUR interpretation grants you no special claim to deeper knowledge and explains nothing. ALL of it is a wash - ALL christianity, ALL islam, etc etc. Yet EACH - like you - claims special status and that MY brand is best. That is poor argument and weak stance
@nybgrus It's not a weak stance mate, because at the end of the day the Bible is the only Word of God I have. I study it, and if people are blatantly wrong - and I'm not talking about interpretation, im talking about people who intentionally ignore verses and when you bring them up they shy away from them - then you show them in the bible where you believe they are wrong. If I am wrong i will try to correct myself. OBVIOUSLY, we are always gonna have genuinely different interpretations....
@JordanRossMackenzie Of course. How could I be so silly as to assume anything other than the fact that you have read and studied and know most accurately the word of god. I apologize for bringing this to a close, but I must now go to give a talk on metastatic routes of breast cancer. Just remember - "genuinely different interpretation" inherently means you cannot impose your values as rule of law on others (not that I am saying you do this, just making a point). 1/2
@nybgrus yeah oright, I've got to go write an essay on how strategic management principals can be applied to the tour de france and other sports. I'm done.
@JordanRossMackenzie LOL... somehow that is unbelievable? Because why? I must be uneducated to make the claims I do? Or maybe because I can't have a will to help people if I am anti-theist as I am? Check your youtube messages - I sent you my bullet points that I wrote for the talk. I just didn't think the fact that I am a medical student was particularly pertinent to the discussion.
@nybgrus@diagoras54 And the paradox is that if you have rejected Christ, then you don't believe it's true anyway, so what condemnation is left? The commandments that you find through the whole Bible are what God wants from us. Christians keep them because they love God. And we don't always keep them anyway, because everybody is still a sinner regardless of Christian/non-Christian/whatever. But the punishment isn't Hell for sins. If that was the case what wuld be the point of Jesus Christ?
@JordanRossMackenzie Your very statement is EXACTLY why theological doctrine MUST be kept out of law, state, government, and any form of scientific teaching. It must be relegated to studies of philosophy and thought, not practice of science and governance. If you agree, then you are a better person than most of those I argue against. If not, then you are exactly who I am trying to fight. I hope you can appreciate that sentiment and be content with your own PERSONAL creed.
@nybgrus I'm done talking to you mate. You've got this real self righteous 'I know it all and know one else has a valid opinion' sense about you. Unless of course their opinion promotes your own. You can't recognise your own idiocy but are so quick to point out other people's. You just as much as a dumb arse as everyone else mate. You're just one more pleb trying to find the truth. I hope you go back to it mate.....
@JordanRossMackenzie The issue at heart here is not that of opinion, but that of science. Opinion is brought in by trying to add YOUR version of god to the mix. I am happy to hear other THOUGHTS on the matter - but when you claim them as fact, and my extensive studies, knowledge, and experience know those "facts" to be false, then most certainly I will be "self-righteous" as you claim. I.e. if you were to claim that the genetic code is 7 base pairs, then I would dogmatically refute you on it.
@nybgrus .... and I'm not talking about your church which by the looks of it -if that was it in your video- doesn't look all the great anyway, I'm talking about your Bible. Buy yourself a New King James study bible and ACTUALLY understand what the bible teachings in the New Testament. If you're still a athiest at least then you'll have a foundation where you can argue from without coming across as ignorant. God Bless.
@JordanRossMackenzie So the claim you are making as that your SPECIFIC and particular VERSION of the word of god is the correct one? I see no thunder in your argument. This is the same tripe over and over - "No, you don't get it... ALL those OTHER versions of my religion, and ALL the other religions are wrong. Read MY version that tells the story I like the best, and THEN you will see the word of god." A less persuasive argument for anything is hard to find.
@nybgrus mate the reason I told you to read the new king james is becuase I know that numerous bibles have intentionally changed the Word of God. Sometimes for simplification, other times to fit in with an already set doctrine. I believe the NKJ is the most accurate because study versions of it will show you the greek it was translated from and it is dedicated to translating an accurate message, not an easy message. Read whatever Bible you want.
@JordanRossMackenzie This statement repudiates your claim once again. The very notion that the word of god is inherently necessary to interpret makes your claims weak at best. The fact that you CHOOSE to apply this theorem to the KJV of the NT and eschew the other versions is indicative of the cherry picking. Lev. 20:13, which says (in the King James Version), "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." Are your gay pals abominations?
@nybgrus Once again mate you don't understand Scripture. Yes homosexuality is an abomination to God. So is all sin. The verse says they committed an abomination, God hates the sin not the sinners.
S who is cherry picking verses now? I could show you hundreds of verses about the love of God, but you have to search through the Old Testament when people were living in a time of law to try and find a verse that makes God look bad. Isn't this a common criticism of creation science? hypocrit mate
@JordanRossMackenzie Yet again, YOUR brand of the word of god states that. A large portion of people would disagree. I fully agree that the bible is full of good verses - I "cherry pick" the bad ones because if it is the word of god then you MUST take the good with the bad. I can choose to abide only by the good verses and eschew the bad because I do not believe in god, but if you claim to know the inerrant word of the bible, you are bound to the whole of it. Ergo why YOU can't cherry pick.
@nybgrus I haven't cherry picked? Aren't you reading what I am saying. The Bible desn't have bad verses, though it does have verses that are commonly misinterpreted, like the one you just stated before - which you slyly moved on from when I proved you wrong. It's not hard mate, you study the Bible and you find the truth, its not my brand of the Word of God. And what is with this "a large prtion of people would disagree"? Disagree with what, and what people. Cool facts you have to back that up.
The mere fact that you are using microsoft windows to edit your videos is proof enough to me that you do not have the brain capacity to even begin to comprehend God.
@Aresftfun I think it was Celestia, but I may be wrong...Thunderf00t demoed a bunch of astronomy programs on one of his stargazing videos, and I tried a couple of them out, but I don't remember which one in particular that video came from.
And thank you, it's nice to know I'm opening some minds.
I removed my own stupid comment because within a week of posting that I became agnostic, then an atheist very quickly. In fact, you probably helped me make the deconversion for the better. Thanks.
“He created you (all) from a single person: then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs: He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher: to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but He: then how are ye turned away (from your true Centre)?.”
You are denying the reality of God and trying to escape the responsibility of your actions. You shall justly fry when you die in everlasting torment.
This is the mentality you are expressing. You quit being an arrogant Christian know-it-all only to become an arrogant atheist know-it-all. The Christian who had undergone precisely the same personal learning experiences as you would think like you, act like you, and have the same attitude and opinions as you. Where is free will in the equation?
To quote a late great scientist of behavior: a person's behavior is determined by a genetic endowment traceable to the evolutionary history of the species and by the environmental circumstances to which as an individual he has been exposed. Where is free will in his equation? Why do people state the causal adage, "One rotten apple will spoil the barrel" but still believe believe in free will? The Bible teaches predestination, free will, and causality. Why do Xians mainly believe in free will?
Steven Pinker said behavior is the product of physical processes in the brain. Can physical processes be cognized by yapping on and on about "free will?" Why do atheists do such yapping? Richard Dawkins stated, "Most scientist today subscribe to a mechanistic view of the mind. We are the way we are because our brains are wired up as they are; our hormones are the way they are. We'd be different--our character would be different--if our neuroanatomy and physiological chemistry were different."
The neuroanatomy and physiological chemistry of a person's brain is determined by the person's genes, which are traceable to the evolutionary history of the species and by the environmental circumstances to which as an individual he has been exposed. Where is free will in the equation?
Bear in mind that Status Quo literally means existing circumstances. Therefore, those who strive to maintain the Status Quo will deny, ridicule, or downplay the effects of environmental circumstances on behavior.
Well said, In addition to the ineffectiveness of prayer and the apparently logical functioning of the universe, I think I was influenced by mythology, and the thought that I might have believed in Zeus if I lived in a different time. I think science fiction like Star Trek places emphasis on man solving man's problems, to the point of doing miraculous things, where God isn't necessary. Lastly, I can't believe in a Christian deity that would punish a loving Hindu for being raised differently.
it's so funny that a superstitious person who believes i invisible person and persons in the sky, calls a man who relies on science and evidence, stupid. from what planet are you exactly?
don't bother to answer. your stupidity just gives me headaches.
it's so funny that a superstitious person who believes i invisible person and persons in the sky, calls a man who relies on science and evidence, stupid. from what planet are you exactly?
don't bother to answer. your stupidity just gives me headaches.
The bible is just a book, and does not prove anything. People are taking the bible and saying that is proof of a god. It's just like me taking a children's book and saying that is proof of a santa claus.
However, I do believe that there could be a supernatural being that created the universe and doesn't interact with it. I surely don't believe that a being created billions upon billions of galaxies just for us when our civilization might not even get a chance to go to even one of those galaxies.
"Science without Religion is Lame,Religion without Science is Blind" - Albert Einstein. THE DEEN OF ISLAM IS HAQQ. (Isa) is the Servant of Allah and not His Son.
Can someone just show me where god is, yeah didn't think so... Physicalism ftw.
TheMelonShrub 1 week ago
@cminiear first of as your reply to me is concerned, show me this proof of your infinite god. Again you can't do your argument has no bearing. Secondly we have evidence if milty universes and though the laws of our universe apply to us here, we have no idea if laws of other universes. Once again WE HAVE NO IDEA! And for anyone to claim they do because of a "god" is pure ignorance and arrogance.
cchristiansen1985 1 week ago
if everything is created from matter, and the law of matter says that it cannot be created or destroyed where did the matter come from?
cminiear 1 week ago
I did want to add this question to all the "believers". If god created all, who created god? And of you say he created himself, then wouldn't that be contrary in the same means as the big bang theory?
cchristiansen1985 2 weeks ago
@cchristiansen1985 God always existed. I know its hard to grasp but God's ways are higher than ours. If he has the power to create the Universe Then he has the power to be infinate. We cant grasp it only because we are finate. Did you know that the word Universe is broken down this way?.....Uni-single, and Verse-spoken sentence. God was known to have spoken the world into existence
cminiear 1 week ago
Who is to say atheists believe in the big bang theory? Where does this notion come from? There are many theories (including a higher power). Most atheists, if asked about the origin of life, would say I DON'T KNOW. What is out that theists can understand about that. Only your complete arrogance could lead you to BLINDLY believe in a magical being without any solid proof. Faith is not proof. Look up faith in the dictionary. "the belief in something without any proof."
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Science has no creed. Scientific journals are not concerned with metaphysics. If you ask scientists about their private opinions, many will say that they believe in a supernatural reality. Gallup poll: 40% of scientists believe in evolution with "intelligent design" (google "scientist god poll"). Scientists with solid reputations take the idea of afterlife seriously based on NDE studies (see Pam Reynolds You Tube). Greek word "theos" is vague.
ZenPapageno 3 weeks ago
oh my how can i saw this mmmmmmmmmm... your rong there is a god his name is jesus christ
19713969 3 weeks ago
bravo, young man
bryanttillman 1 month ago
What are you praying for, a puppy? You don't ask for tangable things in prayer. You ask for spiritual guidence. Free will does exist. What you get confused is in God as a "knower" and God as a "causer." God doesn't cause anything, we choose what path we take, not us, though God knows. What I don't get, honestly, is how people can believe in the big bang without God. If the big bang was a result or the "starting point of all things" who or what set it in motion.
PkerOfThePures2699 1 month ago
@PkerOfThePures2699 Likewise is you buy a cookie jar, cookies won't just appear without some outside force acting on it and placing the cookies there. If God created the world and universe via the big bang then that fine. I just don't see who or what caused this "magical" event known as the big bang without some superior being
PkerOfThePures2699 1 month ago
I think finding God's hand in the workings of the Universe is like a fish realizing it's wet. Not easy, huh? And regarding our Christian 'morality under duress', does it not take a noble, humble character to accept our moral shortcomings, and submit to a higher moral law (assuming there is one, indulge me here)? If you do right all the time NATURALLY, well lucky you! Everyone of us is flawed and has had experiences and upbringings that can cause us to lack certain things. Merry xmas
FUTUREPR00F1 2 months ago
even in the Bible God is described as a force that is in everything and is everywhere. how can an individual being fit these descriptions? it cant
i also believe in life after death. the thought of nothing happening after death is, i think even more absurd than a "heaven'. i am only 17 and i have thought alot about what death could actually mean. i have thought even longer about what it means to be alive. you dont find it disturbing that after you die it will be just like before you were born?
Buonarr 2 months ago
if you ever do a psychedelic i think u will change sides, but thats just my opinion. i see God as the good force of life that encourages everyone to personally make the right choice and one day they will be judged for the actions and choices they made in that life. and this Devil is the evil temptation of life that causes us to make wrong choices. i DO NOT see these characters as individuals but rather as forces.
Buonarr 2 months ago
i am not criticizing u at all in fact im pleased with the fact that you are opposed to something rather than beleiving it bcuz everyone else says its true. but i beleive their is some sort of "force" that exists in and of everything that we know as God. i think the reason most pple dont beleive in God is bcuz they cant understand "Him" we have NEVER encountered anything like "Him" so mentally we cant comprehend "Him" everything has a begining and ending except "God" and we cant grasp the concept
Buonarr 2 months ago
If one person has imaginary friends they're crazy, if many people have imaginary friends its religion.
MyYakBiteBak 2 months ago
Except how do laws of lfie come about in the first place. What about those people that die for 15 minutes then randomly come back to life and start saying they left there body and saw some crazy stuff, like there was no sense of time and they were comunicating without a language. Since science cant acount for that yo dont believe in it? When the world was flat you would have defended that statement because science seem to prove that but then guess what the world fucking round
TheTheKRIT 3 months ago
We atheists get our morals from an understanding of reality, not an assersion of authority. It's as simple as that.
dkthg 3 months ago
You seem very impressed with the fact that you can ACT morally-- eg. that you can refuse the opportunity to steal gasoline. But nobody is denying that atheists can ACT morally. The question is, do atheists have a philosophical basis for their morality?
stallion4life 4 months ago
You make yourself sound so tolerant in the beginning, but your true anti-theist bigotry comes out at the end. "If your purpose in life is to love God and get into heaven, you're no different from fungus waiting to die. You are an ant mindlessly serving your queen." I don't know, devoting your life to the maker of all seems pretty noble to me. By your view, we're just accidents in a hostile Universe ready to quash us out at any moment, with no memory of us surviving. How uplifting is that?
stallion4life 4 months ago
The argument against God that starts at 2:16 is truly WTF. God doesn't intervene in the world because scientific laws aren't constantly being violated!?! How many quantum-level physical phenomena are we truly monitoring? What's keeping those physical laws constant in the first place?
Do you believe in free will? Do you have objective proof of that? How do you square the concept of your own nondeterministic free will with your deterministic "physicalism"?
stallion4life 4 months ago
ur a genius man. i totally agree
MUTH3ROFjeZuZ 4 months ago
whats that picture you were point to? in the background? at 5:23
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2. "...and which is taken in passing to and returning from the region diametrically opposite the pole over the earth’s surface with a mean velocity of about four hundred and seventy-one thousand two hundred and forty kilometers per second.” (ART OF TRANSMITTING ELECTRICAL ENERGY THROUGH THE NATURAL MEDIUMS, Nikola Tesla, USA Patent No. 787,412. Application May 16, 1900, patented April 18, 1905.)
klopedokle 4 months ago
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1. “The most essential requirement is, however, that irrespective of frequency the wave or wave-train should continue for a certain interval of time, which I have estimated to be not less then one-twelfth or probably 0.08484 of a second..."
klopedokle 4 months ago
Very well reasoned. Also BURN! I don't know who that guy was, but ouch.
ReptileViking 5 months ago
One of the VERY BEST videos that I've ever had the pleasure to watch, regarding why anyone would become an atheist and it also describes my life since I was a child to now, almost exactly. I am now 62 years-old, have been an atheist for around 6 years, and have 'known the truth and the truth has set me truly free.' I just wish so much that every Christian could watch this clip, but then, how many would be able to understand it? That is unfortunatley, the problem - folks being able to THINK.
zideffil 5 months ago
Sounds rational. I don't believe like that. Personally I think the whole debate of whether or not God exist to be a waste of time. Nobody knows what happens to a persons soul or consciousness when they die. Nobody knows whether a soul or consciousness goes to heaven or is reborn in another human body or eternally sleeps. It is pointless to debate. I believe religion is for the individual. "What do you believe" is the question.You have just given us your answer.Personally I believe in God.
belugafishgod 5 months ago
@belugafishgod I don't think the point is about what people believe, but whether they've got good reasons to believe that. Personally I could never find any good reason to believe in a god, and that's why omho debating the topic is not a waste of time (if the debaters are rational open minded persons).
FreeSilio 5 months ago
I prefer NOT to use labels here cause humans are more complex than labels but, I suppose I'm more of a humanist. Personally, I believe that "god" isn't what makes religious people happy. It's the belief that someone is watching over them that gives them comfort. They just eradicate it to an extreme end and preach it like it's the absolute truth. Whats true for us now is that we don't know what the absolute truth is! All we have are theories. Some more plausible than others, but theories!
HardTranceMage19 5 months ago
Great video. Nice to live in the real world isn't it? In fact it is awesome!
RhondaH 6 months ago
your putting God in a very small box, God can do anything on earth, and still allow the earth to function as normal
j4manasseh 7 months ago
@j4manasseh Can you give any examples?
Spocktacular96 6 months ago
Dude that exactly what happened to me I as well was a raised cristian and then became an atheist
falloutmanist 7 months ago
so this belief that everything is physical and that there is no supernatural no spirits no karma nothing that can not be testable by physical means... Is this belief testable by physical mean ?
soldierofGod40 7 months ago
@soldierofGod40 The physical world is self-evident.
max2right 5 months ago
same here i used to be RM catholic i used to do those things until recently.
acidsnake8 8 months ago
This is my story from top to bottom, side to side and front to back. I see the world precisely the same, for EXACTLY what it is without any distraction. Thanks for letting me know it's not just me and Carl Sagan!! -Peace to you and humanity
88Flashback 8 months ago
that was actually a really good video
WAZZA1235 9 months ago
Good video. Thank you.
ndrthrdr1 9 months ago
Wow... Story of my life, or pretty damn close to it.
Techsketch 10 months ago
@Techsketch same here just diff countries.
acidsnake8 8 months ago
One day, I woke up, how can we live our lives worried sick about pleasing or not pleasing God? I stopped thinking in terms of sin. Instead I have filled my life with projects, beauty, interesting books, interesting experiences and a lot less worries about what's going to happen when I die.
martinbeco 10 months ago
Very nice.
Caineheist 10 months ago
I think people get to caught up in weather god is true or science. when that shouldnt be the argument
Chrisawesomeness 11 months ago
> I don't believe in Karma.
For the record, I am an atheist too and Karma is very much testable and scientific . Karma is simply the consequence of an action or a thought. That is all (as opposed to the western pop-culture usage of the word). If you hate/love somebody that is Karma. If you are attached-to/repulsed-by anything, that is also Karma, and it will have consequences. Those consequences will affect the body and mind and can definitely be tested.
45iceopen 11 months ago
@45iceopen i think karma can be called probability: if a person does something bad or good probability that another person or event will happen to the person thats doing a good thing or a bad thing the probability if things goes bad to a person is becoz theres a lot more probability that a negative thinking person domino-effects an event to happen to a good person or a group ah hope i made sense.
acidsnake8 8 months ago
@acidsnake8
> i think karma can be called probability
The concept of Karma has been around for thousands of years and it has nothing to do with probability. It is not for you to give a random new meaning to the word.
> if a person does something bad or good
Existentially there is no such thing as good/bad. It is your prejudice that labels things as good/bad. That very labeling is karma.
If you really want to know what Karma is, see: watch?v=w4om2mFrVRY
45iceopen 8 months ago
Existing outside of reality means non existence right?
ronte246 11 months ago
IF HE EXISTS OUTSIDE THE UNIVERSE THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF NOT EXISTING
GrillinMahToast 11 months ago
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solh11 11 months ago
I was jotting some notes down about all the things you said, and found a number of implicit and explicit logical inconsistencies, and I could list them if you want. However, for my own investigation, can you please precisely explain how if God intervenes, there is not free will, and how if God spoke to profits it would cause "noble gases to react with other elements" or something of the like. FYI I didn't grow up a Christian. I became one while I was a senior finishing engineering school.
JrStructengineer 1 year ago
@JrStructengineer , It is pretty simple. If a human hears a voice, it is because molecules in the air are being vibrated by sound waves. The ear drum picks up on these vibrations. In the case of sound, something that obeys the laws of physics had to create the vibrations.
It is impossible to some unearthly imaginary person to do this.
Please save your brain from turning to complete mush, and leave religion now. Watch 'Fooled By Relgion (1/3) ' on my channel to learn Jesus's story
JesusWasAnAsshole 1 year ago
@JrStructengineer god doesn't exist so he doesn't intervene. he also didn't speak to profits or cause anything. now if you will excuse me i have to go feed my unicorns and get my leprachauns to give me some gold.
richanater99 11 months ago
@JrStructengineer He was just citing examples of the kinds of things that might demonstrate the interference of a god. He did not say that the noble gases would react with other elements if God intervened, just that if the noble gases did suddenly start reacting with other elements we might infer a God from that. He is saying that we have never detected anything that could count as truly inexplicable, such as noble gases suddenly reacting with other elements would be.
labrat1807 10 months ago
I just celebrated my first year as an Atheist, and I must say, living delusion -free is the best thing that's ever happened to me. I don't need God anymore, I'm a good, kind, peaceful, loving person. and I now realize that I NEVER needed a God for me to be that. :D
javonne 1 year ago
@javonne Good for you =)
forgottenmemories63 1 year ago
but instead of me going to seek counseling with my pastor about it, I made the critical mistake of continuing to read the bible. I made it to the part where you read about Judus falling to the ground and dying, and then in a later part about him hanging himself... WHAT! the bible contradicted itself... So more and more I began to see this "loving" God for what he truly is... a made up fantasy by bronse age sick war mongerers. Then i found out last year that Jesus is no different than other Gods.
javonne 1 year ago
believe it or not, it was the bible, which was the last step to me becoming an Athist, I sat down one day and REALLY went through the bible, hoping to get closer to God, so I decided to read the bible from front to back, I made it to the end of Joshua and it's like suddenly EVERYTHING became cloudy, I couldn't understand how a loving God could order for so many people to die. suddenly I began to see that he was a tribal god, I tried to put it all into the back of my mind and move on.
javonne 1 year ago
we allready have an explination god
ofomatheblackbelt 1 year ago
@ofomatheblackbelt Ok now plz tell me what is the explation for god?
SuperTigerNo1 1 year ago
@SuperTigerNo1 what do you mean
ofomatheblackbelt 1 year ago
@ofomatheblackbelt what is god? how was god created ? why did the formation of god take place? how did he form the universe? is god a person? is god enery? Why is god there? Why is the universe there? Are we alone? ect ect ect.
SuperTigerNo1 1 year ago
There are many reasons for someone's atheism, but one of them is definitely NOT about being angry at any god, or being sick of having moral rules like the ten commandments or something like it, a false assumption of some theists that I hate. Morality is a part of human nature. In fact, animals like dogs can be moral without gods or faith (moral meaning to the point of risking their own lives to save another), so why can't we?
daangelo29 1 year ago
Hercules was the son of Zeus, was part man, part god. Had superhuman abilities, died after the trials and tribulations of Hera. And rose to heaven to be a full god among Zeus and the other gods of Olympia. All this thousands of years before christianity. There are reoccurring themes in ancient mythology. Christianity is merely another form of mythology. Hades and the hell concept was lent from greek myth. So the god concept is not a unique one. However Atheism is not necessary to be moral.Peace
marcopolo3001 1 year ago
Subbed.
rounder421 1 year ago
The irony is that the 'New Christians' are probably more 'physicalist' than most atheists. They believe in a literal God that can be revealed through rational thought, logic and scientific data. This is why they are ridiculed. They have dressed God up in a white lab coat using him to explain whatever science has not. Religion used to align and ground people's lives through its myths. Now it just seems to be a method of 'correcting' (actually twisting) people's ideas of truth and reality.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
Everything you stated was rational and to my preference.
You are awesome.
Thank you.
madblackatheist 1 year ago
sure man but stop posting the same messages over and over, u are wasting CO2.
btw, i can make creation theories and i can find 1000's of facts to back it up but that isnt a tested SCIENTIFIC theory.the difference between the formal use of the word theory and the scientific use of the word should not be misunderstood
gix500 1 year ago
lol ure so simple minded, no wonder you're an atheist, im not replying to you if you reply to this comment btw, i have no interest in starting an argument, just had to say it, and may god bless you
Searyu 1 year ago
.... moral person in general, and because I know it makes God happy. Pretty simple. I'd honestly question your own maturity if you still think that statement is true. We all have responsibility to behave a certain way regardless of whether you believe somebody is watching over you or not.
We do have complete free will, that is biblically clear. God guides us, He doesn't make our choices.
Science is just a revealing of a perfect universe God created. Unfortunately some theories pass for fact
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
"I could see nowhere God was required for the function of the universe"? How about the creation of a perfect Earth, let alone a perfect universe.
It's pretty disappointing that maybe you just couldn't recognise when God was answering your prayers. Prayers don't have to be answered by getting what we want, God is God - His will be done, not ours.
Ignorant statement that christians only do good because God is watching. I do good because it makes those around me happy, because I like to be a...
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie The universe and the Earth are far from "perfect". Consider how much of the universe is hostile to our existence: all of it except our own planet. We're being bombarded by radiation and pathogens, we're in a constant struggle to find sufficient food and clean water, and nature throws tornadoes, hurricanes, floods and avalanches at us daily.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Not only that, but when you consider the range of climates on Earth, we could be 37% closer to, or 15% further from, the sun and still survive. As for the "fine-tuning" of the universe, we could eliminate the weak force, one of the four fundamental forces, and things wouldn't be significantly different.
If god does whatever he wants regardless of our prayers, what's the point in praying? Why bother asking for help if it's not in god's plan? He's predetermined our fate.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 He hasn't predetermined our fate. 100% free will mate. You need to get your head around the idea that God knows all. Which means it is freewill in the sense that we make the choices. God already knows what choice that is going to be - that doesn't in any way take our part in the choice away. You ask for help because prayers are always answered. Either with a yes, no or not yet. God does have a plan but that doesn't take away the fact that we should pray.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie I've been told repeatedly by Christians that the only reason they do good is because god is watching them. I don't think they would turn into homicidal maniacs if their faith ever lapsed, but they use it as a reason to believe in god. Except for making god happy, it sounds like we have the same reasons for being moral; without the "divine policeman" argument, there's even less reason for being religious.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 dude you need to fix this page up. What's with the uploader comments? It makes everything messy. I didn't even notice those bottom three comments were there until later.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie I have no control over the page layout. Take it up with YouTube.
God has a plan, and he only grants those prayers which fit with his plan, but prayers are important and make a difference...You don't find that to be completely contradictory?
diagoras54 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Some theories pass for fact because they undergo rigorous testing and years of research. The same can't be said for religion. I will not take your dogma as fact just because you believe in it as hard as you can. Science has never found a phenomenon which could only be explained by invoking the supernatural; if ever we found something being manipulated by the hand of god, I would have no problem accepting the existence of a deity.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 .... and the only reason creation science theories or the Bible aren't considered as at least partial evidence toward there being a God, is because you are already set in your ways. You believe solely in the 'scientific facts' that are spoon fed to you by the people actually doing the research and theorising, never certain if they are accurate yourself yet willing to shoot down Christianity - + other religon- in flames. That to me is stupid and ignorant, not the other way around.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie "[T]he only reason creation science theories or the Bible aren't considered as at least partial evidence toward there being a God, is because you are already set in your ways." Did you even watch this video? Did you not hear the part where I said that I used to be a devout Christian? If I were only willing to accept my preconceptions, why am I no longer a Christian?
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 yeah fair enough about the page layout I thought you must have changed it because it's your video.
Yeah I watched the video before I even considered responding. I found a lot of your arguments inconclusive, not really disproving God, and having a pretty immature opinion of Christianity and Christians as a whole. You say you used to be a devout Christian. What does that mean, you went to church a lot? Is tht meant to give you some form of credibility in denying Christianity not true
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie I say I used to be a devout Christian because you said I'm only reconfirming my preconceptions. My original preconceptions were that god existed, so if I'm reconfirming my preconceptions I should still be a Christian. Do I really have to spell it out for you? As for my familiarity with the Bible, I've read it cover to cover, making notes about its inconsistencies and contradictions, which is likely more study than you've put into your religion.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie I don't accept the Bible as being correct because it's scientifically incorrect (the continents float on the oceans, the Earth was made before the sun, the Earth is supported on pillars), it's archaeologically incorrect (there was no Exodus or conquest of Canaan), and the oldest texts we've found are at least 300 years younger than the events they portray. The only portions of it we've been able to confirm are things everyone in the Middle East would have known.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie As for the NT, I could just as easily get four of my friends to write differing portrayals of how I performed miracles and proved I'm the son of god, but that doesn't make it true. We have zero evidence that anything depicted in the NT actually happened.
Creationism is, purely, the confirmation of Biblical preconceptions. The entire point is to prove that what Christians already believe is true by bastardizing science. You're a hypocrite.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie It's not that I'm not open-minded - quite the contrary - it's that there isn't a single piece of evidence that god actually exists. And even if you were to prove that there is some kind of deity, that doesn't mean that it created the universe, nor that it's benevolent and omniscient, nor that it sacrificed itself for our sins, or whatever your particular brand of dogmatic nonsense is.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 You're the same as all the rest. You fob off faith as dogma due to your own self of unworth and to pretend you have some form of greater knowledge than the average joe. Creation Science continually finds way to support theories that revolve around a young Earth, not to mention supporting Scriptural stories. And what about the Bible. Literature makes up plenty of our ancient history even if we don't know it as fact. Aparently the Bible isn't credible...
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie "You're the same as all the rest. You fob off faith as dogma due to your own self of unworth and to pretend you have some form of greater knowledge than the average joe." I detect a great deal of projection here. However, where you unquestionably accept the word of creation "scientists", I not ony read the actualy peer-reviewed articles, but seek out the source data. I never believe what I'm told, I always verify it and see if it contradicts the basic principles of science.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Creation "science" is based on the complete failure to understand things as basic as gravity and DNA; you demonstrated that you know nothing about the universe by claiming that it and the Earth are "perfect", which is just repeating something you were told. The entire reason I made this channel is to refute creationism, and I rarely have to go further than things like calculating rates of erosion.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 Personally all that means to me is that you didn't know your bible well enough to begin with and that you had weak faith. It doesn't prove to me that you had some form of epiphany.
"Creation "science" is based on the complete failure to understand things as basic as gravity and DNA" wow you have a great understanding of it. You are just as indoctrinated as atheists claim that Christians are. You ignore the thousands of arguments the opposition presents because it differs you views.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Thousands of arguments? As of the official census in 1999, 600 scientists in America felt creationism was the best option for explaining the natural world. The remaining 1,107,500 disagreed and stand firmly by evolution. But even if this weren't the case, you don't get to vote on truth and citing popular opinion does not alter scientific knowledge. Any system which says "If you find this system wrong that just means you didn't believe hard enough" is bullshit.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie As Christopher Hitchens so aptly says "Faith is NOT a virtue" - faith is the active ability to hold onto ideas in the face of evidence. The stronger your faith is, the more you can resist. Those that can resist the greatest of evidence are the most faithful and most "virtuous." Bah! Please. We call those people "ignoramus"
nybgrus 1 year ago
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@diagoras54 "These concepts are ridiculously simple, but you don't understand them because you don't bother going to the actual data." What concepts and what actual data? You didn't even answer the point I made. Why is the Bible not a credible literature resource when it has more evidence and more books to support it than a lot of other literature regarding the time that we take as fact or history?
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie These concepts are ridiculously simple, but you don't understand them because you don't bother going to the actual data.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 You didn't answer my question, you just avoided it. Why is Biblical literature not considered credible when it has more evidence and books supporting it than a lot of other literature from the time that we regard as fact or history? Why are not all scientific experiments considered regardless of whether they combat the scientific norm of the world's timeline or evolution. I'm not saying all of creation science is gospel, I'm saying you ignore opposition. Isn't that indoctrination?
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie: The reality is NO such ancient literature is considered fully historically accurate. That is the nature of having such an old text with little ability to actually confirm. The diff is that looking at the Socratic method or the Roman Empire gives you tools and insight to use, regardless of whether the details are actually true. The bible is BUILT on in-errancy and tell you how you must act towards other people. (1/2)
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus pfft yeah righto mate. The Qu'ran that is the teaching from one man that was "remembered" by a few individuals for generations and then formed into a book is just as credible as the thousands of people who saw Christ and followed Him, the apostles who administered His teaching form day dot, and the gospels that were written as an account by the people who followed Him. Don't pretend you know anything significant about Church history.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Actually, the first gospel wasn't written until after 70 AD, and the last was written after 135. Considering life expectancies in Judea at the time were less than fifty, it's highly unlikely that any apostle lived for 35 years after Jesus died, let alone four, let alone one living a century more. And we actually have historical records of tens of thousands listening to Mohammed's preaching; we have none of Jesus even having existed, so we don't know how many listeners he had
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 Rock on brother! Thanks for pulling out the numbers for me, since I would have had to grab my books for it. These faith-heads often fault me for not knowing precisely which verse or the exact dates, but I must admit - memorizing what I need to know to be a physician is much more important. Plus it is a double standard - when they can't tell me the details of biochemistry and molecular genetics that doesn't back down their claim to veracity.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Don't tell me that - tell the Muslims who outnumber the Christians almost 2:1. I think both are bullshit, but you think everyone but you is bullshit. And in fact, I do know a lot more about bible history than you may think. I have read books from BOTH sides of the argument specifically to satisfy myself of that. I also know that ancient history is by it's very nature NOT accurate. Some things are more than others, but complete inerrency that the bible claims is just total BS
nybgrus 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Therefore, you must have EXTRAORDINARY proof of its veracity to be able to justify hating homosexuals, punishing for pre-marital sex, forbidding masturbation, etc. Basically anything that give you the RIGHT and ONUS to tell someone else what to do needs SERIOUS proof. That is lacking in the bible, the same as in texts by Plato, Pliny, or any of the OTHER books of "God" you choose to call wrong. Your book is NOT special and has just as much evidence for it as the Qu'ran. (2/2
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus You didn't understand the point I was trying to make mate. I'm not trying to convince you that creation science is right. I'm showing you that regardless of your scientific facts, you'd still have the same opinion of Christianity because you're indoctrinated by 'common' science. You don't want to recognise other sciences that could poke holes in your set found belief, you don't recognise Christ or the Bible because it is damaging to your belief. Sounds like a false religion to me.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie My opinion of Christianity is the same as that of all religion and all assertions of a personal god. And it is formed first in the forges of a over a decade of dedicated study and training in ALL fields of science and tested against continued attempts at reconciliation with numerous religious texts, including the bible. I was not always atheist and certainly only recently anti-theist. It has been YEARS of careful debate and deliberation in the making.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus and obviously you don't, and never did, understand the Bible if you think of it as a book of rules. The Bible doesn't teach Christians to hate homosexuals, it teaches you to love your neighbour like you love yourself. It doesn't punish for pre-marital sex, the only punishment christians get is possibly in extreme cases being removed from a church because they are living completely in sin and could be affected the Christians around them. Forbidding masturbation? Heard of Legalism?
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie So the 613 rules god gave humans aren't actually rules? What about the rules Jesus gave to his disciples? And if it isn't a book of instructions for us, just what exactly is it? What value does it have?
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 “[Jesus], which is the great commandment in the law?” And he said to him, ’You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”
Rules suggests punishment when broken. Christ died for the judgement of sinners already. Read your bible mate, you're way off. Bye
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Yes, the punishment for breaking the commandments is hell. The root of "commandment" is "command", that is to order, ie to give rules. The Bible explicitly states what the punishments for breaking the commandments are. Obviously I've read more of your holy book than you have.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 Yeah man I doubt it but if you think you've read a lot of the Bible that's a good thing I suppose.
The only way to Hell is the rejection f Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. We're all sinners in need of a saviour. The two commandments that Jesus gave sum up all of God's will for us. If I break a commandment does that mean I'm going to Hell? No. The sin against the Holy Spirit is the only thing that'll send you to Hell, and that means rejecting Christ altogether.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie - Jesus, Dionysus, Buddah, Horus, etc.. were all born of virgins, performed miracles, had 12 disciples, born on the 25th of December and were considered the savior of humanity.
The difference? The other gods are OLDER than Jesus, so Christianity (being only 2,000 years old) got the upper hand.
Do your research, mate. You're following yet another scapegoat.
Here, let me read you a quote from my favorite book. Since, apparently, that's what you're doing to us here. Hehe
YourDarkAccomplice 1 year ago
@diagoras54 And as far as 'MY CLAIMS' and 'MY OPINIONS', I'm drawing from the bible mate. I don't just come up with spiritual stuff on a whim.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie That is YOUR interpretation of the bible. The very fact that there are 38,000 denominations of Christianity, each with a different interpretation of the SAME text and EACH citing theirs as the correct word of god immediately invalidates your claims. The moment you can cherry pick the messages and ideas you want from the bible to support your theism is the moment you must admit that it is baseless. YOU may not hate homosexuals, but the church and MANY christians do.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus What church? your a dumb arse mate. You make these claims that are complete bullshit. I don't cherry pick Bible verses. And that is why I dont hate homo's. I have homo friends, and homo relatives. Probably had a lot more to do with gay people than you have. I dont care if your old church taught you to hate homosexuals, that isn't what the bible teaches. By that standard I'd be hating every person who sins, so everybody. What is with this twisted theology you come out with?
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie So you are claiming that there are no churches and no people who cite the bible as reason for hating homosexuals (or that these are just a fringe minority)? If so, then clearly you are the dumbarse. If not, then once again we come back to the idea that YOUR specific church/interpretation of the bible is the "correct" one. An idea that a LARGE amount of god-fearing (always hated the term) Christians would fight you against and I am not necessary.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus Mate I'm saying that if a church teaches people to hate homosexuals then they are blatantly inaccurate to the Bible. NOT MY BIBLE, NOT MY CHURCH, NOT MY BRAND OF CHRISTIANITY. That is common, idiot. You ask 10 random christians you meet on the street if their Bible teaches them to hate homosexuals and see what they say. Man no wonder you are an athiest.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie You keep hammering in my point while never seeing the nail. Impressive. YOUR bible, YOUR church, YOUR christianity. Yet, do you believe that since I don't believe in YOUR bible, YOUR church, and YOUR christianity then I am going to hell? What if I believe in a god, but not YOUR god? The point is that innumerable people make the EXACT same claims using the EXACT same evidence about THEIR church, THEIR bible, etc. So once again, your claims are weak and certainly not special.
nybgrus 1 year ago
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@nybgrus "do you believe that since I don't believe in YOUR bible, YOUR church, and YOUR christianity then I am going to hell? "
No I don't, I never claimed to say that so I don't know why you'd come out with it. You read whatever Bible you want, I was just trying to suggest one that I believe is accurate to original manuscripts- I've read others as well. you go to whatever church you want, I was just trying to look out for your spiritual welfare. And chances are, if you were a christian,...
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Quite frankly I don't mind people having their spirituality or individual beliefs. My problem is when they try to "save" me. My bigger problem is when they try and "save" the world. My BIGGEST when they try and push their non-scientific religious and FAITH based claims as equivalent education. So if you quietly believe what you want, do not harm others, and do not poison the minds of children with stories of hell and ideas that creationism is science... (1/2)
nybgrus 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie .... then my beef is not with you. But if your beliefs transcend the personal and invade the public sphere and put forth these notions of quackery and pseudo-science, then I do take specific issue. I refuse to stand idly by whilst "faith" and dogma undermine the hard work of science and poison the minds of children to believe that answers and conclusions can come before evidence and reason. I have no desire to "save" you personally, but to ensure you do not condemn others.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus ... but all christians are still going to believe the same thing as far as christ goes. The aim of christians isnt to make all christians beleive the same thing. It is to give unbelieving people the opportunity to beleive in God. That is love. You may not see it that way. But think of it from a Christian point of view. Each person that believes in Christ goes to heaven ( put simply ). What do you think we do it out of a desire to prove everyone else wrong. It is love motivated mate.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@nybgrus And you know that is such a hypocritical point of view as well, we already don't allow Scripture taught in public schools anymore, but we force science (evlution) into them as a prerequisite class until year 9 or 10. How is that for a double standard? If I believe in all my heart that the Bible is the truth, why shouldn't I have the opportunity to teach others, not condemn, but offer the opportunity to accept it as truth, without badgering them OF COURSE?
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@nybgrus "do you believe that since I don't believe in YOUR bible, YOUR church, and YOUR christianity then I am going to hell?"
No i dont. Did I ever say this. You read whatever bible, you go to whatever church, and chances are yeah, if you were a christian, we'd have slightly different interprretations of the bible. Have I claimed condemnation on any of these? No. Does the Bible? No. Faith in Christ is the only way to inherit salvation. ALL of christianity is synonymous on this.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Yet there are denominations that would disagree with you. And you seem at least more enlightening than most religious people but still not fully there. "Slightly different" interpretation is putting it mildly. Go talk to the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland about that idea. Your form of religion seems more benign than most, but the root of the argument lies with the fact that you are, by all sets of reason, evidence, logic, etc EXACTLY equivalent to all those others. 1/2
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus It is slightly different because the core foundation of the gospel stays the same. Christ died on the cross for the sins of those who believe in Him. And just because people have killed eachother over the differences in the past doesnt make the differences any greater, and it doesnt mean that the bible is bad because man is willing to do stupid things over it. Plus, all the killing in northern ireland may have started as religious but didn't stay that way- Im sure you know this.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Each sect or denomination claims its version is the best, the most ideal, and each has "proof" and "evidence" in exactly the same style and calibre as yours. I am not arguing that YOU are an evil person, but simply that YOUR interpretation grants you no special claim to deeper knowledge and explains nothing. ALL of it is a wash - ALL christianity, ALL islam, etc etc. Yet EACH - like you - claims special status and that MY brand is best. That is poor argument and weak stance
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus It's not a weak stance mate, because at the end of the day the Bible is the only Word of God I have. I study it, and if people are blatantly wrong - and I'm not talking about interpretation, im talking about people who intentionally ignore verses and when you bring them up they shy away from them - then you show them in the bible where you believe they are wrong. If I am wrong i will try to correct myself. OBVIOUSLY, we are always gonna have genuinely different interpretations....
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Of course. How could I be so silly as to assume anything other than the fact that you have read and studied and know most accurately the word of god. I apologize for bringing this to a close, but I must now go to give a talk on metastatic routes of breast cancer. Just remember - "genuinely different interpretation" inherently means you cannot impose your values as rule of law on others (not that I am saying you do this, just making a point). 1/2
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus yeah oright, I've got to go write an essay on how strategic management principals can be applied to the tour de france and other sports. I'm done.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie LOL... somehow that is unbelievable? Because why? I must be uneducated to make the claims I do? Or maybe because I can't have a will to help people if I am anti-theist as I am? Check your youtube messages - I sent you my bullet points that I wrote for the talk. I just didn't think the fact that I am a medical student was particularly pertinent to the discussion.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus @diagoras54 And the paradox is that if you have rejected Christ, then you don't believe it's true anyway, so what condemnation is left? The commandments that you find through the whole Bible are what God wants from us. Christians keep them because they love God. And we don't always keep them anyway, because everybody is still a sinner regardless of Christian/non-Christian/whatever. But the punishment isn't Hell for sins. If that was the case what wuld be the point of Jesus Christ?
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Your very statement is EXACTLY why theological doctrine MUST be kept out of law, state, government, and any form of scientific teaching. It must be relegated to studies of philosophy and thought, not practice of science and governance. If you agree, then you are a better person than most of those I argue against. If not, then you are exactly who I am trying to fight. I hope you can appreciate that sentiment and be content with your own PERSONAL creed.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus I'm done talking to you mate. You've got this real self righteous 'I know it all and know one else has a valid opinion' sense about you. Unless of course their opinion promotes your own. You can't recognise your own idiocy but are so quick to point out other people's. You just as much as a dumb arse as everyone else mate. You're just one more pleb trying to find the truth. I hope you go back to it mate.....
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie The issue at heart here is not that of opinion, but that of science. Opinion is brought in by trying to add YOUR version of god to the mix. I am happy to hear other THOUGHTS on the matter - but when you claim them as fact, and my extensive studies, knowledge, and experience know those "facts" to be false, then most certainly I will be "self-righteous" as you claim. I.e. if you were to claim that the genetic code is 7 base pairs, then I would dogmatically refute you on it.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus .... and I'm not talking about your church which by the looks of it -if that was it in your video- doesn't look all the great anyway, I'm talking about your Bible. Buy yourself a New King James study bible and ACTUALLY understand what the bible teachings in the New Testament. If you're still a athiest at least then you'll have a foundation where you can argue from without coming across as ignorant. God Bless.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie So the claim you are making as that your SPECIFIC and particular VERSION of the word of god is the correct one? I see no thunder in your argument. This is the same tripe over and over - "No, you don't get it... ALL those OTHER versions of my religion, and ALL the other religions are wrong. Read MY version that tells the story I like the best, and THEN you will see the word of god." A less persuasive argument for anything is hard to find.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus mate the reason I told you to read the new king james is becuase I know that numerous bibles have intentionally changed the Word of God. Sometimes for simplification, other times to fit in with an already set doctrine. I believe the NKJ is the most accurate because study versions of it will show you the greek it was translated from and it is dedicated to translating an accurate message, not an easy message. Read whatever Bible you want.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie This statement repudiates your claim once again. The very notion that the word of god is inherently necessary to interpret makes your claims weak at best. The fact that you CHOOSE to apply this theorem to the KJV of the NT and eschew the other versions is indicative of the cherry picking. Lev. 20:13, which says (in the King James Version), "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." Are your gay pals abominations?
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus Once again mate you don't understand Scripture. Yes homosexuality is an abomination to God. So is all sin. The verse says they committed an abomination, God hates the sin not the sinners.
S who is cherry picking verses now? I could show you hundreds of verses about the love of God, but you have to search through the Old Testament when people were living in a time of law to try and find a verse that makes God look bad. Isn't this a common criticism of creation science? hypocrit mate
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
@JordanRossMackenzie Yet again, YOUR brand of the word of god states that. A large portion of people would disagree. I fully agree that the bible is full of good verses - I "cherry pick" the bad ones because if it is the word of god then you MUST take the good with the bad. I can choose to abide only by the good verses and eschew the bad because I do not believe in god, but if you claim to know the inerrant word of the bible, you are bound to the whole of it. Ergo why YOU can't cherry pick.
nybgrus 1 year ago
@nybgrus I haven't cherry picked? Aren't you reading what I am saying. The Bible desn't have bad verses, though it does have verses that are commonly misinterpreted, like the one you just stated before - which you slyly moved on from when I proved you wrong. It's not hard mate, you study the Bible and you find the truth, its not my brand of the Word of God. And what is with this "a large prtion of people would disagree"? Disagree with what, and what people. Cool facts you have to back that up.
JordanRossMackenzie 1 year ago
The mere fact that you are using microsoft windows to edit your videos is proof enough to me that you do not have the brain capacity to even begin to comprehend God.
MrTbonewazoo 1 year ago
@MrTbonewazoo Your ad hominem attack is proof enough to me that you're not mature enough to understand my arguments.
diagoras54 1 year ago
Oh, and I added this to my awesomeness playlist. :D
Aresftfun 1 year ago
When you were going through planets and the like, what were you using? I use celestia. It looks similar, but I dont think it's the same.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
@Aresftfun I think it was Celestia, but I may be wrong...Thunderf00t demoed a bunch of astronomy programs on one of his stargazing videos, and I tried a couple of them out, but I don't remember which one in particular that video came from.
And thank you, it's nice to know I'm opening some minds.
diagoras54 1 year ago
@diagoras54 You're welcome. :)
Aresftfun 1 year ago
I removed my own stupid comment because within a week of posting that I became agnostic, then an atheist very quickly. In fact, you probably helped me make the deconversion for the better. Thanks.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
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Did you critical?
Did you are not go to school?
Allah say In the Qur'an Sura Az Zumar:6
“He created you (all) from a single person: then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs: He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher: to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but He: then how are ye turned away (from your true Centre)?.”
mollenth 1 year ago
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0sana0 1 year ago
You are denying the reality of God and trying to escape the responsibility of your actions. You shall justly fry when you die in everlasting torment.
This is the mentality you are expressing. You quit being an arrogant Christian know-it-all only to become an arrogant atheist know-it-all. The Christian who had undergone precisely the same personal learning experiences as you would think like you, act like you, and have the same attitude and opinions as you. Where is free will in the equation?
unseenstrings 1 year ago
To quote a late great scientist of behavior: a person's behavior is determined by a genetic endowment traceable to the evolutionary history of the species and by the environmental circumstances to which as an individual he has been exposed. Where is free will in his equation? Why do people state the causal adage, "One rotten apple will spoil the barrel" but still believe believe in free will? The Bible teaches predestination, free will, and causality. Why do Xians mainly believe in free will?
unseenstrings 1 year ago
Steven Pinker said behavior is the product of physical processes in the brain. Can physical processes be cognized by yapping on and on about "free will?" Why do atheists do such yapping? Richard Dawkins stated, "Most scientist today subscribe to a mechanistic view of the mind. We are the way we are because our brains are wired up as they are; our hormones are the way they are. We'd be different--our character would be different--if our neuroanatomy and physiological chemistry were different."
unseenstrings 1 year ago
The neuroanatomy and physiological chemistry of a person's brain is determined by the person's genes, which are traceable to the evolutionary history of the species and by the environmental circumstances to which as an individual he has been exposed. Where is free will in the equation?
Bear in mind that Status Quo literally means existing circumstances. Therefore, those who strive to maintain the Status Quo will deny, ridicule, or downplay the effects of environmental circumstances on behavior.
unseenstrings 1 year ago
Well said, In addition to the ineffectiveness of prayer and the apparently logical functioning of the universe, I think I was influenced by mythology, and the thought that I might have believed in Zeus if I lived in a different time. I think science fiction like Star Trek places emphasis on man solving man's problems, to the point of doing miraculous things, where God isn't necessary. Lastly, I can't believe in a Christian deity that would punish a loving Hindu for being raised differently.
Highlyskeptical 1 year ago
it's so funny that a superstitious person who believes i invisible person and persons in the sky, calls a man who relies on science and evidence, stupid. from what planet are you exactly?
don't bother to answer. your stupidity just gives me headaches.
kaami1343 1 year ago
it's so funny that a superstitious person who believes i invisible person and persons in the sky, calls a man who relies on science and evidence, stupid. from what planet are you exactly?
don't bother to answer. your stupidity just gives me headaches.
kaami1343 1 year ago
god say ....who ever is not with me is against me ..now you work for the devil ....
garbonari 1 year ago
@garbonari
yes and John Lennon said 'I am the Walrus I am the Egg man'- but he existed, so I believe him.
MrNarrative 1 year ago
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Yes, and John Lennon said "I am the Walrus, I am the Egg man"
But John Lennon existed so I believe him.
MrNarrative 1 year ago
The bible is just a book, and does not prove anything. People are taking the bible and saying that is proof of a god. It's just like me taking a children's book and saying that is proof of a santa claus.
However, I do believe that there could be a supernatural being that created the universe and doesn't interact with it. I surely don't believe that a being created billions upon billions of galaxies just for us when our civilization might not even get a chance to go to even one of those galaxies.
ArataMusic1 1 year ago
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"Science without Religion is Lame,Religion without Science is Blind" - Albert Einstein. THE DEEN OF ISLAM IS HAQQ. (Isa) is the Servant of Allah and not His Son.