God wont give you a matter of the Bilbe that will give you a headache.If you dont understand anything in the bible, rest in the Lord. If He wants you to know He will show you in his own time. Love Him & Love others and God will be with you, and you with Him whenever He comes!
The main thing you want to know is that Jesus loves you and wants you to come to him. He wants to be your God, Friend, and Savior, for he is the only one that can. Wont you love Him today? By doing this whatever happens to the world you will be ready. Peace be onto you my friends...
In every scripture about the "Rapture" it says "And The Dead Shall Be Raised First." The resurrection is at the END of the Tribulation and its BEFORE the Rapture. The Rapure is AFTER the Resurrection and the Recurrection is After The Second Coming of Christ. Before the End shall be a "falling away." Most of the people who do the "falling away," will be people who have bet their faith on a PreTrib Rapture. We will see Tribulation. Blessed are those the ENDURE until the End.
@MrRontree Yes. And to go along with it will likely be an attempt at a great deception by the PTB to cause confusion on those left behind. Reporting the disappearing due to space aliens is a possibility. Deceiving halogram presentations is a possibility.
The day of the lord comes like a thief in the night. God saved noah lot. Post trib doesn't add up or make sense, and is not correct. look at rev the church is not mention after chapter 4 until we comeback with Jesus rev 19 know your bible people. the evidence of a pretrib rapture is overwhelming. The antichrist can't be revealed until The holy spirit =The restrainer, the church born again believers be taken out.2 thessalonians 2:6,7. where is the blessed hope if you are a posty believer lol.
@MrPsalm141 The evidence for a pre-trib rapture is NOT overwhelming. Your interpretation of 2 Thes 2 is a commonly-held, but false belief. The falling away is not the rapture. In fact, it is the Greek word "apostasia" from where we get "apostacy." The warnings to stand fast and be comforted would make no sense if the Church is already gone.
Church after Rev 4 = 9:4 12:6 13:7,8 14:1-5,12 16:2 (who does NOT have the Mark?) 17:6 18:4, 20
Satan cannot move the hand of God...Satan is trying to re-enact the book of Revelation...Satan is a liar and the father of it...no man or fallen angel knows the time of our Lord's arrival.
"Because you have kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial, which is to come upon the whole world to test them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev.3:10).
We are to comfort one another with these truths (1 Thess.5:11).
These things (The Day of the Lord and Tribulation) cannot happen until the true church is removed from the earth (2 Thess.2:3; 2 Thess.2:1,3-12) ).
Israel is in crisis right Now...Gog, Magog war could be tomorrows headlines. Jesus is coming! GBU!
These things cannot happen until the true church is removed from the earth 2 Thess.2:3; 2
That is NOT what this scripture says. You have been told that "falling away" is another term for "rapture." It is not. It is the falling away from the gospel. The Great Apostacy.
Why would Jesus tell His disciples "Matt 24:21-31?" Surely Jesus' disciples would have been "raptured" before the Trib. This is a very dangerous doctrine.
@ReverendTFunk Then U Need to keep Reading! And Praying 4 Revelation....and since When did Jesus Return 4 HIS People become a Dangerous Doctrine? Hmmmm???....Do U or Do U not trust Jesus???? Can HE NOT keep U from the time of trial that is coming..Rev. 3:10??? Wake Up! God Bless.
@rureyeswideopen2 You need to not buy in to a doctrine that is hopelessly flawed. Why would Jesus tell His disciples about events during the Tribulation if they were not going to be there?
@ReverendTFunk I believe that the Rapture must precede the Tribulation, since it is a period of judgment for sin in which the Church has no part. It is for a Christ Rejecting world and for Israel to have their blindness removed. When Jesus gave the Olivet discourse in Mat. 24 the Church was not yet born. The elect He referred to was the Jewish people..Not (the Mystery) of the Church (Born again in Jesus) Paul says Jesus is coming to "deliver" us from God's wrath 1 Thessalonians 1:10 Maranatha!
@ReverendTFunk Over and over in Scripture we are told to watch for the appearing of the Lord. We are told "to be ready" (Matthew 24:44), "to be on the alert" (Matthew 24:42), "to be dressed in readiness" (Luke 12:35), and to "keep your lamps alight" (Luke 12:35). The clear force of these persistent warnings is that Jesus can appear at any moment.
Only the pre-Tribulation concept of the Rapture allows for the imminence of the Lord's appearing for His Church. I am LOOKING for Jesus! Maranatha!
@rureyeswideopen2 Matt 22:44 Yes, be on alert AFTER YOU WITNESS THE PREVIOUS EVENTS OUTLINED IN THIS CHAPTER.
There is no appearance of the LORD mentioned until verse 30 where it specifically says, "And then..." as if to say, after all these events. Those events include the abomination of desolation, the revealing of the Beast and the Great Tribulation.
@ReverendTFunk In Matt 24 the Lord portrays His gathering of the saints as an event that will take place "immediately after the tribulation of those days" Matthew 24:29 This certainly sounds like a post-Tribulation Rapture. Keep in mind that the book of Matt was written to the Jews and therefore the recording of Jesus' speech by Matt is different saints as Luke speaks of the saints looking up for deliverance "to escape all these things when the end time signs "begin to take place Luke 21:28 36
@rureyeswideopen2 Matt and Luke are recording the same speech. Both are written to BELIEVERS, Jewish or not. Everything you say is built on wishful thinking and the convenient omission of verses you don't like.
Jesus raises us up on the last day. We are all changed at the last trumpet.
Revelations 13 tells the story of the Beast and his mark. Rev 14:8 tells us of the destruction of Babylon and the punishment of the wicked. Verse 15 talks about the harvest of believers. Always thew same order
@ReverendTFunk The term "Rapture" comes from a Latin word, "rapio," that means "to catch up, to snatch away, or to take out." It is, in turn, a translation of the Greek word, "harpazo."
So, "Rapture" is a Biblical word that comes right out of the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. The word is found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The Church is not destined for God's wrath. If u belong to Jesus u will be gone with the rest of the Holy Spirit filled church. So enough of ur unrightly divided truths!
@ReverendTFunk The purpose of the Trib is to bring about Israel’s national redemption Daniel 9 Zech 12-14, etc and to judge a Christ-rejecting world. Now the Holy Spirit is indwelling God's people Eph. 1:13 and they can't B overcome 1John 4:4 The trib Saints can Rev. 13:7 as the Holy Spirit is now back to striving w/ man as in the OT. The trump of 1Cor is for Believers the Rev. 7th trump is for Non Believers and God's judgment. 144000 Jews 2 witnesses angels flying thru the air Preach Rev. 14:6
@rureyeswideopen2 The trumpet of 1 Cor is for the believers. It is the LAST ONE. It says SPECIFICALLY it is the last one. And, the 7th trumpet IS the LAST ONE. That is when Paul says we will all be changed. According to you, Paul is a non-believer because he says WE. I am reading EXACTLY what it says. You've been told that Jesus was going to do a fly-by, take folks to heaven and then come back later.
If there were a rapture before the trib, I bet Jesus would have mentioned it. HE NEVER DOES.
@ReverendTFunk There is no Biblical basis for connecting either the 7th Trumpet of Rev.11:15 or the trumpet call of Matt. 24:31 with the last trump of 1 Cor. 15:52. In the case of Rev. 11:15 the truth is it’s never called the last trump in the Bible, nor is it the last trumpet blown before the 2nd Coming Matt. 24:31. It’s simply the last in the series of seven trumpets in the 2nd set of Revelation judgments and is always called the 7th Trumpet, never the last trump. So 2 Timothy 2:15 4 U!
@ReverendTFunk Everyone knows when the Church... the body of Christ was removed at the Rapture...ended the day of Grace and then after the 7th trumpet Judgment of God... an Angel will declare a New Dispensation... the fullness of time, the reign of Christ is coming..then of course we r back for God to finish His judgments on this earth with his bowl judgments...Maranatha! Jesus is coming! U do know that the age of grace is where we r at right? Hmmmm....Rev? U say? Hmmm...2 Tim. 2:15
@rureyeswideopen2 No, everyone doesn't know that....in fact, no one but you thinks the bowls of wrath happen after the 7th trumpet.
I have addressed your specific issues and you have regularly moved on to other topics. There's not much point in continuing this unless you answer my question.
So, I will ask you again, "What happens after the 7th trumpet?"
@ReverendTFunk Rev. 7th trumpet is for Non Believers and God's judgment signals the continuation of God's Wrath on this Christ rejecting world. The trump of God is Not the 7th trumpet of Rev. NOBODY is saved according to what they believe about the Rapture or the Tribulation. We are saved by grace through faith in the finished Work of the Cross, not by our understanding of Bible prophecy. Jesus said He Would Keep From God's Wrath which the Church is Not appointed. The whole trib is God's wrath.
@ReverendTFunk Now why would I want to listen to a Cult teacher? If you fell 4 the delusion that the Church replaced Israel u really need to quit watching and listening to man made Cult teachings...The Church/Body of Christ is not subject to judgment. U need to let the Holy Spirit teach u...not Tomorrows world. Jesus is coming! Maranatha!
@rureyeswideopen2 Furthermore, to say Jesus' return is imminent is to say the prophecies don't need to be fulfilled. Why else are they there, but to be fulfilled? That is another ridiculous doctrine you have bought into.
1 Thess 6:16 He comes with the sound of a trumpet. No mention of Jesus for trumpets 1-6 (Rev 8:6-9:21)
2 chapters later trumpet #7 has God judging the nations, rewarding the servants and destroying the destroyers of the earth. 11:15-19 You're not NEARLY deep enough.
@ReverendTFunk If the church was still here doing the tribulation don't U think Jesus would have told us to watch for the antichrist instead of him? From the day the peace treaty is signed u can count down the days...which takes away from the words of Jesus, Luke, Paul Peter, James need I go on? Imminence means Jesus could come at any minute! The True Church is filled with the Holy Spirit and we r the Bride of Christ! What Groom throws his Beloved into Judgment? Believe what U want. Maranatha!
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OrthodoxKnightErrant 8 months ago
God wont give you a matter of the Bilbe that will give you a headache.If you dont understand anything in the bible, rest in the Lord. If He wants you to know He will show you in his own time. Love Him & Love others and God will be with you, and you with Him whenever He comes!
StopBeingRude30 1 year ago
The main thing you want to know is that Jesus loves you and wants you to come to him. He wants to be your God, Friend, and Savior, for he is the only one that can. Wont you love Him today? By doing this whatever happens to the world you will be ready. Peace be onto you my friends...
StopBeingRude30 1 year ago
In every scripture about the "Rapture" it says "And The Dead Shall Be Raised First." The resurrection is at the END of the Tribulation and its BEFORE the Rapture. The Rapure is AFTER the Resurrection and the Recurrection is After The Second Coming of Christ. Before the End shall be a "falling away." Most of the people who do the "falling away," will be people who have bet their faith on a PreTrib Rapture. We will see Tribulation. Blessed are those the ENDURE until the End.
Hooverdarnit 1 year ago
it seems to me that God would want the rapture to be very public and obviouse to the ones left behind. one last chance sorta thing.
MrRontree 2 years ago
@MrRontree Yes. And to go along with it will likely be an attempt at a great deception by the PTB to cause confusion on those left behind. Reporting the disappearing due to space aliens is a possibility. Deceiving halogram presentations is a possibility.
hiyosilver100 1 year ago
The day of the lord comes like a thief in the night. God saved noah lot. Post trib doesn't add up or make sense, and is not correct. look at rev the church is not mention after chapter 4 until we comeback with Jesus rev 19 know your bible people. the evidence of a pretrib rapture is overwhelming. The antichrist can't be revealed until The holy spirit =The restrainer, the church born again believers be taken out.2 thessalonians 2:6,7. where is the blessed hope if you are a posty believer lol.
MrPsalm141 2 years ago 3
@MrPsalm141 The evidence for a pre-trib rapture is NOT overwhelming. Your interpretation of 2 Thes 2 is a commonly-held, but false belief. The falling away is not the rapture. In fact, it is the Greek word "apostasia" from where we get "apostacy." The warnings to stand fast and be comforted would make no sense if the Church is already gone.
Church after Rev 4 = 9:4 12:6 13:7,8 14:1-5,12 16:2 (who does NOT have the Mark?) 17:6 18:4, 20
ReverendTFunk 11 months ago
too much heresy from these two.
OkwahoMinistries 2 years ago
Satan cannot move the hand of God...Satan is trying to re-enact the book of Revelation...Satan is a liar and the father of it...no man or fallen angel knows the time of our Lord's arrival.
FOBmuzungu 2 years ago
@FOBmuzungu Not the hour - agreed....BUT we are *commanded* to know the season and see and know the signs of preparation.
hiyosilver100 1 year ago
"Because you have kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial, which is to come upon the whole world to test them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev.3:10).
We are to comfort one another with these truths (1 Thess.5:11).
These things (The Day of the Lord and Tribulation) cannot happen until the true church is removed from the earth (2 Thess.2:3; 2 Thess.2:1,3-12) ).
Israel is in crisis right Now...Gog, Magog war could be tomorrows headlines. Jesus is coming! GBU!
rureyeswideopen2 2 years ago 6
@rureyeswideopen2 You say...
These things cannot happen until the true church is removed from the earth 2 Thess.2:3; 2
That is NOT what this scripture says. You have been told that "falling away" is another term for "rapture." It is not. It is the falling away from the gospel. The Great Apostacy.
Why would Jesus tell His disciples "Matt 24:21-31?" Surely Jesus' disciples would have been "raptured" before the Trib. This is a very dangerous doctrine.
ReverendTFunk 11 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Then U Need to keep Reading! And Praying 4 Revelation....and since When did Jesus Return 4 HIS People become a Dangerous Doctrine? Hmmmm???....Do U or Do U not trust Jesus???? Can HE NOT keep U from the time of trial that is coming..Rev. 3:10??? Wake Up! God Bless.
rureyeswideopen2 11 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 You need to not buy in to a doctrine that is hopelessly flawed. Why would Jesus tell His disciples about events during the Tribulation if they were not going to be there?
Matthew 24:21
Matthew 24:31 AFTER THE TRIBULATION HE GATHERS HIS ELECT...
The word in Rev 3:10 translated as "keep" means "to guard from." It does not mean "miss" or "escape."
The danger is that the tribulation will begin with the church still on the earth. And, it won't be easy.
ReverendTFunk 11 months ago
@ReverendTFunk I believe that the Rapture must precede the Tribulation, since it is a period of judgment for sin in which the Church has no part. It is for a Christ Rejecting world and for Israel to have their blindness removed. When Jesus gave the Olivet discourse in Mat. 24 the Church was not yet born. The elect He referred to was the Jewish people..Not (the Mystery) of the Church (Born again in Jesus) Paul says Jesus is coming to "deliver" us from God's wrath 1 Thessalonians 1:10 Maranatha!
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2
You can believe whatever you choose. But, #1 Trib wrath is not agaisnt the Church. Rev 9:4
#2 The judgement for sin is hell. Trib wrath is for following the beast. Rev 14:9-11
#3 The elect was NOT the Jews. The elect is the Church. You are confused about the Jews.
#4 Jesus speaks of the future. The Church not being born is moot.
#5 Believers at the fall of Babylon. That's near the end. Rev 18:4-10
#6 1 Thess 1:10 is referring to the final judgement, not the Trib.
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Over and over in Scripture we are told to watch for the appearing of the Lord. We are told "to be ready" (Matthew 24:44), "to be on the alert" (Matthew 24:42), "to be dressed in readiness" (Luke 12:35), and to "keep your lamps alight" (Luke 12:35). The clear force of these persistent warnings is that Jesus can appear at any moment.
Only the pre-Tribulation concept of the Rapture allows for the imminence of the Lord's appearing for His Church. I am LOOKING for Jesus! Maranatha!
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 Matt 22:44 Yes, be on alert AFTER YOU WITNESS THE PREVIOUS EVENTS OUTLINED IN THIS CHAPTER.
There is no appearance of the LORD mentioned until verse 30 where it specifically says, "And then..." as if to say, after all these events. Those events include the abomination of desolation, the revealing of the Beast and the Great Tribulation.
1 Cor 15:52. at the LAST trumpet. #7
John 6:35-40 Jesus will raise us up on the LAST DAY. v.44 LAST day. and again v 54 LAST day.
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk In Matt 24 the Lord portrays His gathering of the saints as an event that will take place "immediately after the tribulation of those days" Matthew 24:29 This certainly sounds like a post-Tribulation Rapture. Keep in mind that the book of Matt was written to the Jews and therefore the recording of Jesus' speech by Matt is different saints as Luke speaks of the saints looking up for deliverance "to escape all these things when the end time signs "begin to take place Luke 21:28 36
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 Matt and Luke are recording the same speech. Both are written to BELIEVERS, Jewish or not. Everything you say is built on wishful thinking and the convenient omission of verses you don't like.
Jesus raises us up on the last day. We are all changed at the last trumpet.
Revelations 13 tells the story of the Beast and his mark. Rev 14:8 tells us of the destruction of Babylon and the punishment of the wicked. Verse 15 talks about the harvest of believers. Always thew same order
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk The term "Rapture" comes from a Latin word, "rapio," that means "to catch up, to snatch away, or to take out." It is, in turn, a translation of the Greek word, "harpazo."
So, "Rapture" is a Biblical word that comes right out of the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. The word is found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The Church is not destined for God's wrath. If u belong to Jesus u will be gone with the rest of the Holy Spirit filled church. So enough of ur unrightly divided truths!
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 The definition of the word has nothing to do with WHEN it happens.
The Beast makes war with the saints during trib. Rev 13:7. If the Church is gone, who are these saints?
Oh, you think people will be saved during the Trib. How can they get saved if the Holy Spirit is gone?
1 Cor 15:52 Is that the Rapture? If you say yes, then it happens AT THE LAST TRUMPET
If you say no, what is it?
Why is plain language so difficult to understand?
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk The purpose of the Trib is to bring about Israel’s national redemption Daniel 9 Zech 12-14, etc and to judge a Christ-rejecting world. Now the Holy Spirit is indwelling God's people Eph. 1:13 and they can't B overcome 1John 4:4 The trib Saints can Rev. 13:7 as the Holy Spirit is now back to striving w/ man as in the OT. The trump of 1Cor is for Believers the Rev. 7th trump is for Non Believers and God's judgment. 144000 Jews 2 witnesses angels flying thru the air Preach Rev. 14:6
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 The trumpet of 1 Cor is for the believers. It is the LAST ONE. It says SPECIFICALLY it is the last one. And, the 7th trumpet IS the LAST ONE. That is when Paul says we will all be changed. According to you, Paul is a non-believer because he says WE. I am reading EXACTLY what it says. You've been told that Jesus was going to do a fly-by, take folks to heaven and then come back later.
If there were a rapture before the trib, I bet Jesus would have mentioned it. HE NEVER DOES.
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk There is no Biblical basis for connecting either the 7th Trumpet of Rev.11:15 or the trumpet call of Matt. 24:31 with the last trump of 1 Cor. 15:52. In the case of Rev. 11:15 the truth is it’s never called the last trump in the Bible, nor is it the last trumpet blown before the 2nd Coming Matt. 24:31. It’s simply the last in the series of seven trumpets in the 2nd set of Revelation judgments and is always called the 7th Trumpet, never the last trump. So 2 Timothy 2:15 4 U!
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 What happens after the 7th trumpet?
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Everyone knows when the Church... the body of Christ was removed at the Rapture...ended the day of Grace and then after the 7th trumpet Judgment of God... an Angel will declare a New Dispensation... the fullness of time, the reign of Christ is coming..then of course we r back for God to finish His judgments on this earth with his bowl judgments...Maranatha! Jesus is coming! U do know that the age of grace is where we r at right? Hmmmm....Rev? U say? Hmmm...2 Tim. 2:15
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 No, everyone doesn't know that....in fact, no one but you thinks the bowls of wrath happen after the 7th trumpet.
I have addressed your specific issues and you have regularly moved on to other topics. There's not much point in continuing this unless you answer my question.
So, I will ask you again, "What happens after the 7th trumpet?"
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Rev. 7th trumpet is for Non Believers and God's judgment signals the continuation of God's Wrath on this Christ rejecting world. The trump of God is Not the 7th trumpet of Rev. NOBODY is saved according to what they believe about the Rapture or the Tribulation. We are saved by grace through faith in the finished Work of the Cross, not by our understanding of Bible prophecy. Jesus said He Would Keep From God's Wrath which the Church is Not appointed. The whole trib is God's wrath.
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 Again, "What happens after the 7th trumpet?"
The trumpets each announce a bowl of wrath. Rev 8:6-10:19
These judgments do not hurt the church. Rev 9:4, Rev 16:2
The natural disasters of these events can be avoided by leaving the area. Rev 18:4
After the 6th trumpet we are told to watch for Jesus. Rev 16:15-18 "IT IS DONE." The LAST TRUMPET, the 7th.
We must prepare to endure. Your lie will cause the falling away. You need to visit tomorrowsworld (.) org
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Now why would I want to listen to a Cult teacher? If you fell 4 the delusion that the Church replaced Israel u really need to quit watching and listening to man made Cult teachings...The Church/Body of Christ is not subject to judgment. U need to let the Holy Spirit teach u...not Tomorrows world. Jesus is coming! Maranatha!
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
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@rureyeswideopen2 You still can't answer the question....
The 7th trumpet is the last. That is when we will all be changed.
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@rureyeswideopen2 Furthermore, to say Jesus' return is imminent is to say the prophecies don't need to be fulfilled. Why else are they there, but to be fulfilled? That is another ridiculous doctrine you have bought into.
1 Thess 6:16 He comes with the sound of a trumpet. No mention of Jesus for trumpets 1-6 (Rev 8:6-9:21)
2 chapters later trumpet #7 has God judging the nations, rewarding the servants and destroying the destroyers of the earth. 11:15-19 You're not NEARLY deep enough.
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk If the church was still here doing the tribulation don't U think Jesus would have told us to watch for the antichrist instead of him? From the day the peace treaty is signed u can count down the days...which takes away from the words of Jesus, Luke, Paul Peter, James need I go on? Imminence means Jesus could come at any minute! The True Church is filled with the Holy Spirit and we r the Bride of Christ! What Groom throws his Beloved into Judgment? Believe what U want. Maranatha!
rureyeswideopen2 10 months ago
@ReverendTFunk You said,
These things cannot happen until the true church is removed from the earth 2 Thess.2:3; 2
That is a ridiculous statement. Verse 1 of the VERY SAME CHAPTER is talking about the removal of the church.
"falling away" is not the Rapture. That word is "apostasia." Apostacy, forsaking the faith.
Those 3 verses are telling you that the Lord's Day will not come until a great forsaking of the faith and the revealing of the enemy.
ReverendTFunk 10 months ago