Nobelist Slams Education

[trippemallory]

Thank you for the awesome video upload!

[svartvist]

Who are the "best" minds, and how does one identify them? Sounds like more bureaucracy to me. The kind that does to teachers what "No child left behind" has done to students.

[iTellyoueveryting]

The biggest problem to his issue is most people by the time they are in highschool put themselves into consumer roles and have little to no motivation to use the kinds of things he proposes to teach kids... It's the parents who will tell their kids they can't be scientists or other things. I'm an adult actor and have heard it all, haha trust me, the only reason I'm able to make a living at doing what I do is NOT listening to society and some teachers who told me I can't be an actor.

[DSBrekus]

Let teachers beat students again, problem solved, you're welcome.

[marsCubed]

@DSBrekus LOL, it is precisely that which fails the most.

Modern education is comes from many years of research into the best way to teach people. a lot of it developed by the US Army BTW.

Let the teachers teach but support them.

We need more investment in training so harmful influences minimized.

Best examples I can think of are Norway and Sweden, most liberal, most highly educated and wealthy.

Investment works, not hitting kids harder.

your hitting system is good for making labourers.

grow up.

[DSBrekus]

jeez you know I was mostly joking, at least you seemed to at the beginning of your reply but also seemed to forget it by the end lol.

[ctvwr]

I think mars got it, but added the last bit because many Americans dislike thinking and prefer simple answers, like beating kids to teach them.

[DSBrekus]

I'm not really sure what the purpose of your comment was, it didn't really clarify anything mars said. Perhaps you just wanted to take a jab at me or Americans?

[ctvwr]

I apologize if I was unclear. I mean to say that even if one gets the joke one may feel it necessary to explain the reality anyway, for the benefit of those who DON'T get the joke. I am an American, and there was no jab directed at you.

[DSBrekus]

ah alright then, it was just a bit confusing, there were many ways I could interpret your comment lol :D

[VitruvianMan1452]

The purpose of public education is to replace academics with political ideologies that promotes victimhood.

If one is a perpetual victim, then one will become preoccupied with finding political messiahs to save one from the futility of one's self. Then a messiah will be presented for those who traded knowledge for the promise of "hope" and "change". Then they are ready to flock to his promise of salvation as moths to the fire.

Beware the false messiahs and learn to think for yourself.

[sitbackrelax]

You don't know what you are talking about.

[alanejackson]

Imagine the God of the Bible is WORDS. Not like Zeus.Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus and the Bed!

Before the word "sleep", they used the word "dead". Raising the dead, meant raising the sleeping

Relating to our history, not being aware of, not recognizing the connection/association between Jesus and the mass utilization of beds, would be like not being educated concerning Henry Ford and the mass utilization of cars

[mugwamp4]

um ah i'm confused what does that all mean

"take thy bed and walk " when he was quite happy being a cripple

[TheBlindWatchmaker]

No, now you're trying to twist things to make it seem like you knew what the concept was. The fact that I put public ivy in quotes was to purposely show that it is an invented concept that describes top public schools. It has nothing to do with trying to say that literally public ivies exist. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to accept I was trying to say "top public university" with other words. It has nothing to do with shame.

[SomeGalaxyInvader]

As I see it High School (or its equivalent) should definitely branch off into set areas for study and later, jobs. Parents would not be able to control their kid's choice after the child is 16, maybe younger.

At least having a General learning school (Elementary through middle) being required seems like the way to go.

[SomeGalaxyInvader]

To educate by choice might not go to well with a vast majority opting out. Especially from the babies making babies social phenomenon. The poor, un-educated on welfare would grow. I am not trying to sound elitist I am just concerned about a majority of people that would be dependent on the gov't and easily swayed by marketing tactics. I also see alot of the problems we are running into a result of the parents not being academically active with their children.

[TheBlindWatchmaker]

You don't sound elitist. You only sound misinformed. Google the term "public ivy" and see how wrong you are. Remember, I did put it in quotations.

[samieldarklord357]

being a high schooler i will tell you this: my school is like a prison. I hate going there because i learn nothing, and all the teachers care about is trying to help you get a C on a paper or a test. i went to a private elementary school and i actually learned things there well at the same time having fun.

[s117godd]

HEY GUYS IM TWO DAYS FROM GRADUATING. I like thinking and being productive, i plan on being a businessman and hardcore scientist in my future. I have a great solution - Abolish Federally controlled public schooling. Let states do it if they want. Lame families and unmotivated people won't go, poor but motivated people could test in for essentailly a state-subsidized merit scholarship. Don't force people to go if they dont want to. Thats why we are in the crappy position we are today.

[qwAirGear]

I'd have an entirely different reason for letting the states figure all of the schooling stuff out: we really don't know what works here. At least having 50 different approaches (well, more than that since there's Puerto Rico and such) would mean that eventually we'd hit one that works. I'm still not remotely close to sold on full privatization, what with colleges so often having tuition in the $25k-$40k range.

[Keithjustinburton]

If states control education, then we'll have nothing but twenty or thirty states who have abolished evolution in favor of the non-scientific, non-theory of intelligent design, states who have favored a 6000 year age of the universe instead of the scientifically provable 14 billion year age, and a complete ruining of most other fundamental aspects of science education. We need federal control because some things, such as approximate truth, require a mandate across the board.

[qwAirGear]

One thing at a time...

1) We definitely don't value science. We have students take what they're interested in today and...who's interested in science anymore? People are interested in other areas and like easy classes; our "student-centered" universities happily oblige.

2) Insecurity about science? Definitely. People are convinced that these subject areas are impenetrable long before they've ever seen them.

3) Morris's comment: ignorable since it's so rare. None of my 30+ profs have done that.

[s117godd]

hey R u saying it's okay for people not to care about science. There are a lot of kids at my school who actaully have a passion for the sciences. I certainly do. If were gonna have public schooling than we'd better have science. But there's the problem! Scientific theories make sense and have some evidence, but they're still just theories. And a school represents the public so dont the have to rep. every side of the story? Thats a core issue of why public school science can't work. Thoughts?

[Morris1962]

What kind of magical college do you attend where subject matter being kicked to the way side for political rants is rare? It is so common in my college that it is far from being any kind of a joke, and hardly worth mentioning because it is almost standard practice. We may be used to it but it should never be ignorable.

[dcahvaindg]

This is true. My science teacher talks about her life and other shit which is totally irrelevant to science. No wonder nearly the entire class is failing. >_>

[eddiejc1]

If something has become a "theory", that means there are a LOT of facts backing it up. You seem to have the erroneous idea that a "theory" is something that hasn't been proven. Here's a news flash. Evolution and global warmings are theories---they will never be facts. However, the same holds true for gravity.

[paxhong]

actually gravity is a law, not a theory. the thing about gravity is that we can explain how it works, but not what it is.

[TheBlindWatchmaker]

I went to one of the top "public ivy." I have to say that what he says is true, but I must say that the fault is on the faculty. College forces you to take too many classes and then feeds you a new topic every week for 10 weeks. All you do is cram for the test and then forget all the material. Why is it then surprising that people are scientifically illiterate?

[Morris1962]

How about all the indoctrination going on in US colleges today? My anthropology professor preferred to use class time to preach about which candidate to vote for in the primary race for Governor, (and the obligatory talks about the evil Bush administration) than to even discuss anthropology at all. Thank goodness for reading the text books, or I wouldn't know anything.