Cheap planes are a steal. Tool snobs don't want to admit that the edge you can get on a $40 plane is just as good as the $400 one. The surface it leaves on the wood is the same too. 10X the price buys you a better looking tool that needs less sharpening. That's all. I love my cheap Stanley jack
im sorry if i sounded like a dick. i have never used a groz plane and couldn't comment on its quality im sure its probably better than modern irwin records and plastic handled stanleys
Yep, that did come off a bit on the snotty side. I really didn't post any of my tool reviews with the intent of being great promotion to the companies. I simply post reviews of items that I have/had that have very little "real" information on the web. Yes, a lot of opinion on the Groz planes from a lot of folks who have never cut a shaving with one. I no longer own these planes, but did pass them off to a poor woodworker who had no complaint on their function either.
meh why buy.....i wont say sub-standard new planes when you can always always get the stanley/record ones second hand for a fraction of the price i picked up a record number 4 for £1 which is about a dollar 60c from a flea market i paid £4 for a stanley number 5 hell i get most of my planes and stuff s/h. the older the better. and the numpty selling it has no idea what its worth
@MrMeanderthal & @twobit1862 you guys sound like a couple of smart asses, that never achieved anything but are very quick to judge others. How do you do that? Do you have a scanner to search videos you can criticize? I have an entire collection of the Lie-Nielsen Bench and Shoulder planes, but I still use Groz, Record and Stanley most of the time. I use LN only on very precise projects, but usually they just look good in special display cabinet and my GROZ'es do the work.
Even a Lie Nielsen won't cut as well as I demand, straight from the box. At the least they need honing first. So pay the extra and get a decent plane... But I agree, as the guy said, 'You get what you pay for.'
right, and a dull axe chops fine to someone who's never chopped wood. to compare this with the "as is" factory grind to a Lie-Nielsen with an O-1 steel blade sharpened (properly) with an 8000 grit stone is like comparing a Saturn 5 to a bottle rocket..
@MrMeanderthal , some of what you say is true. Fresh out the box a LN plane, which costs 4X the price of these 2 planes just for the block, is useful right out of the box and even sharper if honed on a fine stone. But that is totally irrelevant to the target audience who isn't going to spend more than about $35 on a hand plane. People who use a higher dollar plane will continue to bash these budget imports. But IME these planes do their intended purpose with minimal tuning, good for beginner
When you buy the plane, you are told to dress the edge of the plane iron on a stone prior to use. Also, guys that use planes do NOT set them with the blade down to any surface. they're always laid on the side to protect the sharpness of the iron.
This review is intended to give some idea of what you get in the Groz kit. Take it or leave it. I still stand by the review, although I no longer have the planes. For the price they are hard to beat and functional tools with only a minimal investment into sharpening.
7th grade rules are to protect tools from young kids. It has been proven time and again that how you set the plane has little impact on it, provided that the surface is softer material than the blade and free of nails.
Thanks for this review! Its nice to see and hear from someone who actually uses these rather than the forum snobs who will blabber on forever about unless you buy the ultra deluxe super expensive name brand planes they own, you suck and your tools suck (yet they never seem to back it up with videos or proof of their superiority...hmmm) :)
Cheap planes are a steal. Tool snobs don't want to admit that the edge you can get on a $40 plane is just as good as the $400 one. The surface it leaves on the wood is the same too. 10X the price buys you a better looking tool that needs less sharpening. That's all. I love my cheap Stanley jack
ConquerCollin 4 months ago
im sorry if i sounded like a dick. i have never used a groz plane and couldn't comment on its quality im sure its probably better than modern irwin records and plastic handled stanleys
hardflip2lateflip 4 months ago
@hardflip2lateflip
Yep, that did come off a bit on the snotty side. I really didn't post any of my tool reviews with the intent of being great promotion to the companies. I simply post reviews of items that I have/had that have very little "real" information on the web. Yes, a lot of opinion on the Groz planes from a lot of folks who have never cut a shaving with one. I no longer own these planes, but did pass them off to a poor woodworker who had no complaint on their function either.
dsb1829 4 months ago
meh why buy.....i wont say sub-standard new planes when you can always always get the stanley/record ones second hand for a fraction of the price i picked up a record number 4 for £1 which is about a dollar 60c from a flea market i paid £4 for a stanley number 5 hell i get most of my planes and stuff s/h. the older the better. and the numpty selling it has no idea what its worth
hardflip2lateflip 4 months ago
@MrMeanderthal & @twobit1862 you guys sound like a couple of smart asses, that never achieved anything but are very quick to judge others. How do you do that? Do you have a scanner to search videos you can criticize? I have an entire collection of the Lie-Nielsen Bench and Shoulder planes, but I still use Groz, Record and Stanley most of the time. I use LN only on very precise projects, but usually they just look good in special display cabinet and my GROZ'es do the work.
And I can prove it!
VanClaaude 5 months ago
O_o my last name is groz LOL
cccrussian 10 months ago 2
The user plays a big factor in the finished results, obviously..
rokinrandy 1 year ago
Even a Lie Nielsen won't cut as well as I demand, straight from the box. At the least they need honing first. So pay the extra and get a decent plane... But I agree, as the guy said, 'You get what you pay for.'
woodlist 1 year ago
right, and a dull axe chops fine to someone who's never chopped wood. to compare this with the "as is" factory grind to a Lie-Nielsen with an O-1 steel blade sharpened (properly) with an 8000 grit stone is like comparing a Saturn 5 to a bottle rocket..
MrMeanderthal 1 year ago
@MrMeanderthal , some of what you say is true. Fresh out the box a LN plane, which costs 4X the price of these 2 planes just for the block, is useful right out of the box and even sharper if honed on a fine stone. But that is totally irrelevant to the target audience who isn't going to spend more than about $35 on a hand plane. People who use a higher dollar plane will continue to bash these budget imports. But IME these planes do their intended purpose with minimal tuning, good for beginner
dsb1829 1 year ago
When you buy the plane, you are told to dress the edge of the plane iron on a stone prior to use. Also, guys that use planes do NOT set them with the blade down to any surface. they're always laid on the side to protect the sharpness of the iron.
Hell, that's 7th grade woodshop rules....
twobit1862 2 years ago
This review is intended to give some idea of what you get in the Groz kit. Take it or leave it. I still stand by the review, although I no longer have the planes. For the price they are hard to beat and functional tools with only a minimal investment into sharpening.
7th grade rules are to protect tools from young kids. It has been proven time and again that how you set the plane has little impact on it, provided that the surface is softer material than the blade and free of nails.
dsb1829 2 years ago 3
Thanks for this review! Its nice to see and hear from someone who actually uses these rather than the forum snobs who will blabber on forever about unless you buy the ultra deluxe super expensive name brand planes they own, you suck and your tools suck (yet they never seem to back it up with videos or proof of their superiority...hmmm) :)
ibanezfoo 2 years ago 2
Hey thanks for this review.
Cekkent 3 years ago