One question, if God fined tuned the universe for life, didn't he fine tune it for death? Exploding stars, galaxies, asteriods, and a lack of oxygen in space?
You just want to make sure that not a lot of people know what "fine tuning" is, that way when you tell people about it you sound knowledgeable, and making you appear as if you had a lot of experience with handling the subject when you repeat back what the misnomers are.
Creationist logic: My hands were fine tuned for this keyboard. My penis was fine tuned for this condom. My ears were fine tunded for my earphones. My feet were fine tunded for my shoes. My brain was fine tuned for a closed mind.
Fine tuning - The concept that the strength of the fundamental forces and geometry of the current universe are critical to the habitability of the universe.
If the proton had less mass, that life AS WE KNOW IT, would not be here. The problem is that stable universes exist even if these values are not what we know.
Many will say the number of configurations is infinite, and of the possible infinite universes ours is the only stable one. Its a notion I don't ascribe too. Not that it matters.
this is what I think fine tuning is i have a mathmatichal model of something pysical. there is some sort of constant that I don't really know, then I messure results, and get an estimate about how much the constant is. then the finetuning would be to do more experiments to get a closer result to what that constant is.
finetuning: In physics models need "finely tuned" input values for some parameters in order to produce results which we see in nature. This means that if the value of parameter changes even minutely the results changes a lot.
I really like how you randomly threw in the ridiculous creationist arguments here and there. Of course however, you replaced "god" with, stone, or seagull or something. "What proof, and evidence, do you have, that proves this stone is true and accurate." rofl
what I understand as fine tuned is that something has been meticulously produced, created or arranged in such a way so as to produce and or manifest a second or later specifi and desired outcome. and the argument is used to infer that if such is the case of existance then it stands to reason that there may be intention behind this fine tunning.
Hmmm, there was this channel called Andromeda's Wake and it had some cool astronomy videos that i rly enjoyed watching. Now it's too much about creationist bashing and too little about astronomy... too bad. What happened to u dude? U got swept up by the tide of ignorance and u forgot to get out again... Don't u see this war on fundamentalists is consuming u? The more u feed a fire, the longer it's going to burn... Forget about them, just focus on what u love the most - astronomy !
When I first heard of the this fine tuning or "anthropic principal". I laughed at how narrow minded it was. How can anyone come to such a conclusion when so much is unknown? There might be some underlying principal as yet undiscovered to this apparent "fine tuning". This is also the reason why I laugh at those who say the fate of the universe is heat death. What real physicists and astrophysicists say is "right now" it would appear that is the case until more data can be collected.
Well there's a whole lot of errors here. First of, Creationists I've heard talk about "fine tuned" do so in regards to the Laws of Physics. The argument is that the Laws are "fine tuned" the way they are to alow for life ("read humans"). Without theese "fine tuned" Laws the way they are the Universe would not exist.
And many times this comes up when debating Evolution, which we all know has nothing to do with the Laws of Physics or how the Universe began - sigh.
I've never seen a definition but the term "fine-tuned" as it might relate to biology suggests that the qualities of a lifeform are well suited to the environment in which they evolved (because if they weren't something that was better suited would have out competed it of course).
I will admit to not knowing much about this fine tuning business. I am currently under the impression that it has something to do with the precision of the measurements of constants.
A good way to think of fine tuning is to imagine a puzzle with one piece missing. When you look at it as a whole you know the exact size, shape, and appearance of the missing piece. The puzzle would be our theory and the missing piece is the constant we have to add in order to complete our theory. But like I said, this piece may not just be lost. It may not even exist at all. Some theories will never stand alone without being fine tuned.
I think the universal fine tuning is of the universal constants which are arbitrary. Like the weak nuclear force, weight of an electron, strength of gravity etc.
To me, the term "fine-tuning" expresses the idea of making careful adjustments on some sort of sliding scale, even if the scale in question isn't perfectly analog. That is, between white and black, I can pick grey, and then decide that I want it a bit darker - no, wait, a bit lighter than that. There we go.
Of course, I don't believe in young Earth creationism anyway, since clearly the Elder Things came to Antarctica hundreds of millions of years ago and tweaked existing life. Ia! Ia! Fhtagn!
from a biological stand point, fine tuning can refer to the progressive improvement of anatomical, cellular, physiological, genetic or biochemical characteristics of an animal over successive generations, through evolutionary mechanisms, to allow that animal to be more suited for its environment.
experimentally, fine tuning refers to the progressive increase in accuracy and/or precision of measuring observable events. e.g. being able to measure km at cm resolution to mm to pm...
(Without looking it up) In science, I would imagine that 'fine tuning' is alteration of varriables in experimentation (and testing of a hypothesis?) to a fine/accurate degree as necessary for the purposes of the test.
No idea if that is correct.
Begs the questions really: when a creationist says 'fine tuning' are they using the phrase scientifically or in layman terms?
Fine Tunning is what scientists use to make measurements of a relationship when they don't have a better understanding of that relationship.
For instance if scientists did not understand acceleration or gravity, then they might use a very complicated system to describe how long it takes for an object to fall from different heights. Possibly several different exponential functions for different height ranges. This would be a 'Fine Tuned' system.
from what I gather "fine tuned" ties deeply into the theistic need for their imaginary friend to be in control of everything. nothing just happens, good things are a reward, bad things are a punishment or a challenge. also that we're perfect, optimized- for worshiping god.
Ran out of space. We assume it's there because everytime we do an experiment and apply this constant to our theory we observe it to work. This is abstract and hard to explain my line of thinking. I was there for the big bang and will be there at the end of the universe and shall answer any questions about it along the way. Maybe I should write a book and people will worship me!
Fine Tuning is a constant that is given to a scientific theory and without this constant the theory would be incomplete. For example a theory could explain everything on very large scales perfectly but when you get down to very small scales things fall apart. By adding this constant it would make things work on small scales too and also would not have an effect on the large scale. Also whether this constant truely exists or not is unknown...it simply completes the theory so we assume it's there.
Why do we think this universe is fine-tuned for us? We are clearly the anomaly. The analogy I use, is imagine a large, nicely constructed, modern home with all the possible amenities. Now, what if someone found a small trace of a bizarre mold, years later, behind a refrigerator. Would someone argue the home was designed with the mold in mind? No. So why do we do the same with the our universe?
Fine tuning is used to explain why certain parameters fall in such a narrow band ie the green zone for planets,and usually means that there is something more fundamental at play.
@AndromedasWake *Without looking it up* Fine tuning sounds like a name given to explain how certain things adapt to suit their surroundings eventually. Best way I can explain it in my own words is like how a virus will be re-programmed to get around anti-virus software and vice-versa. Kind of like an arms race against whatever is trying to kill you, be it environmental pressures, predators or suchlike. That's the best I can do in this little space of 500 words, sorry.
I think fine-tuning is the question of why the cosmological constant, Coulomb constant, etc. are in ranges friendly to chemistry. If they were off by a few percent, then protons and neutrons would never form nuclei or electrons would crash into nuclei and molecules would never form. Ideally we're looking for something that explains why all of the forces relate to each other in magnitude as they do, or that other "poorly-tuned" universes do exist, but with no life to ask "what gives?"
I got the impression from your last video (which I haven't watched since the day you put it up) that fine tuning is the minor adjustments made to a scientific model to make it better fit observed reality. I'm not sure whether that means including previously unaccounted for variables or tweaking something without knowing why you're tweaking it for the sole purpose of having a model as closely representative and predictive of reality as possible.
My understanding of fine tuning is that if either of the forces in the universe were any different to what they actually are at present, the universe would either cease to exist, or would be very different to what it is now, i.e if the weak nuclear force were just a fraction of a percent different, atoms would have been unable to have formed, or if the force of gravity were slightly higher the universe would have imploded soon after the big bang.
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"Fine Tuned": Universal parameters set by an intelligent agent (god) for the purpose of allowing us to be here. The sentient and supernatural nature of this entity is required. The base assumption is that life could not exist with universal parameters of any other values.
When I hear creationist describe "Fine-tune" I think of a lottery that has imposable odds. How could everything be exactly right for us to thrive on this planet. The odds they gave were astronomical, but they missed what was to me obvious. If you sell an imposable number of lottery tickets with one winner, fact: there will be one winner. If one thing in nature was different, frozen H2O being heavier then liquid H2O, we wouldn't be here but something else would, something else would have won.
Fine tuning life, to me, means that natural selection has the ability to fine tune life in accordance with the habitat in which the selection took place. Darwin's Finches had been finely tuned by evolution for survival in their individual areas of the Galapagos. To theologists, however, it seems they think fine tuning means that God fine tuned life to survive on this planet, while they fail to recognize 99 percent of all species that have ever lived on earth are extinct.
Fine tuning. I get it. I think this argument is easy. What's to say that there aren't an infinite number of universes, each with varying constants. The only place it would ever be possible to for carbon-based life forms to have a conversation on fine tuning, would be in a universe that was 'fine tuned' to allow for carbon-base life.
To be honest, I've never heard the term "fine tuning" outside of creationist propaganda media. I assumed that it was a phrase of their creation.
Having read a bit more (and still not really understanding), I'm not convinced that Creationists have deliberately redefined the term. The concept of what they mean seems so distant from the scientific one, that I'd forgive them for claiming that they found an independent argument, and labelled that with a catchy name that happens to clash.
Fine tuning: The fact that a limited number of universal constants (I think less than 10) have values that, if they were even slightly different, would result in a universe where the existence of life is imposible.
What I really wonder is how (or if) scientists know whether these constants are independent of one another and also whether their variation is possible or is varying these constants more like saying "in the time before the universe", aka non-applicable.
i thought it had something to do with certain constants or laws of nature seeming to be the only way for there to be a specific outcome, without any special reason why they should be.
Fine-tuning: the only use I know of this term within science is as a description of the fact that apparently independent physical constants of the universe have values to within tight tolerances which if different would not allow the formation of long-lived solar systems: gravity, strong force etc.
I guess there could be other uses of the term to identify similarly "fortunate" arrangements allowing effects which make the universe or some other system more interesting or hospitable.
I don't think you will get your wish that "bad Universe" will cut down on the ridicules messages that you.get. In order for that to happen those people would have to actually WATCH.
Fine tuning is the introduction of underivable constants that are needed for the model or theory to work and fit the data. The constants only have validity in the context of the model or theory and so show the model of theory is incomplete; they don't neccessarily represent anything in reality itself. As more data and evidence is accumilated, the constants may need modifying, become derivable, or be superceeded by theory or model that doesn't need them
Fine Tuning - What i learned from your previous video is that fine tuning is a term that describes a system whose state is governed by a set of parameters which when changed slightly would result in the system to exist in a completely different state. Also the system itself has no internal means of controlling said parameters.
@VyckRo You only need to look at the one we're in. Considering the vast majority of the universe works against our favor, while this tiny little pocket happens to be one small area where life is permitted.. Not to mentioned the earth is inevitably doomed to wipe us out through climate change, the sun is inevitable doomed to wipe the earth out, Andromeda is inevitably doomed to wipe out the Milky Way and expansion is inevitably doomed to extinguish the universe: NO it's not 'fine tuned' for us.
what I understand as fine tuned is that something has been meticulously produced, created or arranged in such a way so as to produce and or manifest a second or later specifi and desired outcome. and the argument is used to infer that if such is the case of existance then it stands to reason that there may be intention behind this fine tunning.
@AndromedasWake I use this video as an example of British and Canadian humour to my students in Mexico CIty because they just don´t get my sarcasm or bad sense of humour...like the ´bad case of under-subscription´ or ´what are the odds?´ THEY NEVER GET ME!! HAHA
As I understand the term 'fine tuning' and how it applies to organisms, it is the process by which a species develops its unique combination of adaptations that allow the species to more effectively propagate in the environment in which it resides. The term seems most appropriate for describing the process of evolution when viewed on the small scale, though through continuous fine tuning to a changing environment over many generations, it can result in what we recognise as evolution.
fine tune mean to me synchronized machine or software to work with optimal efficiency
i gues religion is a psychological program of the mind like an anti virus ,but like all anti virus they cause lag decreasing optimal efficiency ,why not use a personal firewall instead lol
I thought fine tuning had to do with the difference between the predicted quantity of energy in the quantum foam, and the measured energy, which is many orders of magnitude.
Alternatively, I've heard it in reference to the anrthropomorphic argument, basically saying that the force ratios could be altered only slightly and we'd have either expansion too fast for galaxies to form, or else a collapse so sudden. Either way, no chance for heavy elements to come from star explosions to planets
Fine-tuning argument means the world we live in is just too impossible to come from "nothing",so there must be god.Also the fine-tuning argument states that everything must be "perfectly" set or life has no chance or zero to none chance to arise. Well i.m.o. this is a fallacy known as arguing from ignorance,but it might be just me...
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I think of fine-tuning as tweaking the various numbers involved when setting up a system. This is based on what you said in your last video, but it fits the notion of a fine-tuning argument for creation, which is the only way I've ever really thought about fine tuning.
My understanding of the concept is that life evolves to its environment. That includes the planetary environment and its chemical make-up. I made a video about how plants might be different colors around different types of stars. Life on other planets might also use liquid methane as a solvent instead of liquid water. Even down into the details of the elements and chemicals life has to work with and can create. In short, we're fine-tuned for the Earth, not the other way around.
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fine tune: to adjust a musical note, idea, or blue print so that the finished product is more accurate.usually small details such as a more perfect word, measurement, or tone
For me, fine tuning describes how evolution selects the life that best fits the current environmental situation. Life is fine tuned, through evolution, for the world. Of course Creationists see it completely reversed and think life has to be the way it currently is and it is impossibly amazing that the planet is perfect for life. As if life could somehow evolve for a completely different environment than it currently lives in.
i thought fine tuning was a term scientists used to describe small changes made to the parameters in a model so that it behaves more like nature and produces phenomena we've already observed.
Fine tuning is the tuning of a theory's particular values to make it make sense with what is observed. The values have no underlying reason to be that way that has been discovered yet, but they work.
I think fine tuning of the universe is referring to the universe once being very disorganized and unformed compared to whereas now we have galaxies and planets and stars and people say that the forming and collecting of these galaxies from a disorganized universe to what we have now is "fine tuned". Creationists say that the universe was "fine tuned" from chaos to what it is now, and they say that "fine tuning implies a tuner" which implies a god.
I would think fine-tuned is like when a car is fine-tuned for formula 1 driving. It can only do F1 because of it´s particular adjustment to racing. It is adjusted to do corners quickly and accelerate as fast as possible. It is also "tuned" within the limits of the rules I suppose, that could be called "fine-tuning" as well.
It really isnt that easy to define it but I hope you get what I mean.
A fine tuned model can only explain the data within a small area of parameter space.
Ie A Falling object on the earth can be modeled by y=-a*x^2 and although a should be 9.8 m/s^2 this model performs quite well even with different values for the parameter (say 10 m/s^2 or even 1 if your measurement error is large enough). So I wouldn't consider it a finally tuned model.
To me fine tuning is when a sentient being "fiddles" (for lack of a better word) with something in an effort to adjust a specific(or general?) property of said thing.
I think the meaning creationists get lost in is OPTIMIZATION... That one implies that SOMEONE optimized it, hence all the intelligent designer crap.
That's different from the "balancing point of possibility" type of argument, like "it's like this because this is one of the few possibilities to allow x, y and z".
Fine-tuning? I've never really heard of it. I'd suppose it has to do with small natural changes to a species based on acute environmental/etc changes and such. But as I said, never heard of it. I'll watch your video and find out though! =D
So, my understanding of fine-tuning. In some quantum field theories, there are radiative corrections to the value of some physical constant that are orders of magnitude larger than the observed value of that constant. In these theories, the bare value (the value prior to radiative corrections) has to be fixed to be very close to the corrections, but off by just the experimental value. This (AFAIK) has to be redone with every order of perturbation theory. This match-up is called fine tuning.
Until your last video, I just thought Fine Tuning was a creationist term so they could pretend there was a cause for the Anthropic Principle. Now, after only seeing your video once, my basic understanding of Fine Tuning in science is assigning values to unknowns to make a model work with the values that are known. Like space savers in equations until the actual values can be obtained. For example, Einsteins Cosmological Constant would have been a misuse of fine tuning. So, how confused am I?
As far as I understand fine-tuning: (I might oversimplify)
You formulate an hypothesis (for example): E=mgh and E=1/2mv^2
The second equation is known. You can measure the speed and mass and then calculate its energy.
Now for the second equation let's say we don't know g. But we use the same mass as for the first equation, and we determine the height at which at the end the speed =v.
Now can deduce g by pluging in the numbers.
Next time we want to use 1 we can use the value g we calculated.
Fine Tuning - "Referring to the properties of various particles and forces, their interactions, and how this results in what we recognize as the known universe"
From what I understand, the idea of fine tuning is that the various laws that government the universal physical forces are "just right" for life. I don't believe that is accurate to be honest but that is the definition I hear the most.
An animal adapts to its niche so well it's built perfectly for the "jobs" it needs to do. Just like the puddle fits itself to the hole it's in.
Creationist definition:
God, having decided in advance what niche the animal will be in, designed it to match that perfectly. So perfectly this couldn't have evolved by chance.
Fine-Tuning; the idea that the universe can only exist within a narrow range of parameters. Which would make our existence pretty special... if there has been only one singularity (or other universal ignition) ever. If not, then our existence is just an accident waiting to happen.
Fine tuning refers to the fact that there are several "values", such as the power of the gravitational force, with the attribute that if they were different then chemestry or physics would be so radically different that the universe as we know it would be quite different indeed and not be able to support life as we know it.
However we do not know if the values are free to vary at all, and we do not know if there are many "combinations" of values wich give rise to complex chemestry.
I think fine tuning is a result of life accommodating the nature of the universe, not the universe accommodating life as we know it. Had the nature of the universe been different but still capable of supporting something like life, then life would of probably developed accordingly, perhaps not in the same manner or degree as it has now, but that's a given. Though I'm not sure if I was meant to understand it beyond life (eg, fact that earth can maintain our atmosphere/the math of the cosmos etc)
Off the top of my head I think Fine Tunning is how evolution makes a certain characteristic more Fine Tunned to your environment. That is to say, birds getting longer and longer beaks to get at food in hard to reach places, Polar bears with thicker fur, ect.
when i think of fine-tuning i think of drag racing. Drag racers fine-tune every little detail in their car so that they can get to the finish line just one-tenth of a second faster. Fine-tuning is taking every detail, and making it perfect.
You can also refer to the training of Bruce Lee as fine-tuning.
This man perfected his exercises to get the best workout possible. He also chose his meals very specifically to the nutrients that he needed. That's the closest your body will get to fine-tuned.
Fine tuning refers to the work of a particular physicist which calculated that if the universal constants were even slightly different, the universe would be greatly different. He imagined the universal constants as dials which could be turned. Under that construct, one would have to finely "tune" all the settings to what science has observed, or matter wouldn't form. I've always understood it as metaphor, a reaching one at that, because our physics is based on the constants as they are.
To my understanding the term fine tuning refers to the idea that a number of universal constants couldn't be changed by as little as 10^-(shitloads) and still result in a universe that doesn't collapse imediately under gravity or float apart without forming matter.
My understanding of fine-tuning: It is a process by which an equilibrium is reached by means of many small adjustments. Fine-tuned would thus be in an equilibrium with the current environment.
The phrase "fine-tuning" sounds to me like it would describe an intelligent entity modifying something with intent for some sort of purpose, like tuning a guitar. That, however is probably not the scientific definition of the term.
@LordToast It's kind of like the word theory. It gives a certain impression that isn't accurate to what scientists mean when they use it. The Big Bang is another slightly similar example. What is described in the theory was neither big, nor was there a bang. The term "Big Bang" was a insulting phrase coined by an opponent to the theory. It stuck.
I believe it was someting like: fine tuning the process of changing the characteristics of experimental enviroments to make it representative for what the experiment is researching. i also remember something that the need of doing this only comes from our lack of knowledge of the universe and not because some deity "fine-tuned" it.
Whilst I normally believe getting the semantics right is key, they know what they mean when they say “the Universe is fine tuned for life”, we know what they mean, why worry about the semantics in this case?
I’d concentrate on the problems with the argument. I.e. a) they can’t produce evidence that it is true, b) even if it is true there are several plausible naturalistic explanations, c) it is possible to imagine better “tuned” universes.
I'm not scientifically educated, but as I understand fine tuning it's;
In order for first the big bang to be done right, and then the evolution of life on earth to create humans to happen, there either must be a god, or seen (teleologically) from the time of BB; the chances of us to be would be slim.
First, a hearty thank you for the note on keeping the sub feeds clean.
Second, to address fine tuning, I actually remember hearing this from a video and from what I remember, I believe that it has to do with tuning a scientific model so that the data fits properly / works as expected.
Now, I am off to google and see if I am right lmao.
I hear a lot of creationists say that the 'Earth is fine-tuned for life', to which my response is always that, "No, life is fine-tuned for the earth". And what I mean by that is, that the earth came to be, and then life came to be, and as life developed, it changed and adapted to fit the earth, and better be able to survive on it. If the earth undergoes another sudden change, life would change again, to better fit the environment.
Although, fine-tuned isn't really a good word any more since we
(continued) can clearly survive without certain aspects of our lives. Gravity for example seem key in every day life, however, astronauts seem to adapt and survive perfectly well, without exploding or something silly.
So we're less fine-tuned and more . . . Generally adapted?
I think in your example adaptation and fine-tuning refer to the same thing.
Individuals are able to adapt and survive for a certain amount of time in zero-gravity, but it does put severe stress on the body, and no-one would last for very long. Just as you couldn't live long under 5g's.
But you can contemplate beings who evolved under those conditions who are thus adapted or fine-tuned for that environment. Adaptation, or fine-tuning, has some robustness to it.
You can change the initial parameters of a complex system, resulting in a different outcome. But the self-organizing principle behind those systems remains.
I think it's also a matter of semantics. Adaptation suggests a more flexible process than fine-tuning imho. Fine-tuning is fiddling with a 400-hp engine to try and squeeze out another few horse-powers, adaptation is completely rebuilding it so it can run on tapwater.
Before your video, I thought that Fine Tuning referred to the apparent exact values that the physical constants of the universe had to have, so that life as we know it could arise.
After your video, I learnt that ‘fine tuning’ refers to the process that scientists use to ensure that their models reflect the real universe.
I am not convinced that these values could be different; no one has ever shown that they could. Also, could life arise with different values?
A good example for fine tuning is developmental biology. Look at the early development of Drosophila melanogaster. It's well described by Nüsslein-Volhart, Lewis and Wieschaus. Fine tuning would be
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A !!! THERE IS AN 'A' ON THE STONE! IT'S THE ATHEIST SYMBOL!!! OMG REVELATION.
Alphacaliber 1 month ago
I cycle 2-3 hours every day, my body is fine-tuned, im sure thats not what you mean tho.
wesleyjames81 1 year ago
why cant you be a partner?
TheMePerspective 1 year ago
One question, if God fined tuned the universe for life, didn't he fine tune it for death? Exploding stars, galaxies, asteriods, and a lack of oxygen in space?
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
You just want to make sure that not a lot of people know what "fine tuning" is, that way when you tell people about it you sound knowledgeable, and making you appear as if you had a lot of experience with handling the subject when you repeat back what the misnomers are.
aylera 1 year ago
Creationist logic: My hands were fine tuned for this keyboard. My penis was fine tuned for this condom. My ears were fine tunded for my earphones. My feet were fine tunded for my shoes. My brain was fine tuned for a closed mind.
HybridD91 1 year ago 3
Noisy and wet... that's what he said.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
2:03 That stone has an "A" on it, just sayin...
AjaPuppy 1 year ago 2
If anyone is wondering what that "i backtraced it! end of conversation!" song is
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roidroid 1 year ago
Fine tuning - The concept that the strength of the fundamental forces and geometry of the current universe are critical to the habitability of the universe.
If the proton had less mass, that life AS WE KNOW IT, would not be here. The problem is that stable universes exist even if these values are not what we know.
Many will say the number of configurations is infinite, and of the possible infinite universes ours is the only stable one. Its a notion I don't ascribe too. Not that it matters.
kurtu5 1 year ago
nature kicks ass and it's beautiful.
GravDiga 1 year ago
Where is the promised follow up video? You promised next week and it's been 3 weeks. Don't keep us in suspense!
Ripley747 1 year ago 5
@Ripley747 It's on its way. I'm doing something rather special for it!
AndromedasWake 1 year ago
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AbeChang2 1 year ago
this is what I think fine tuning is i have a mathmatichal model of something pysical. there is some sort of constant that I don't really know, then I messure results, and get an estimate about how much the constant is. then the finetuning would be to do more experiments to get a closer result to what that constant is.
mrKreuzfeld 1 year ago
You forgot to give a shout out to FSAthe1st!
JRChadwick 1 year ago
finetuning: In physics models need "finely tuned" input values for some parameters in order to produce results which we see in nature. This means that if the value of parameter changes even minutely the results changes a lot.
tuokall 1 year ago
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Terje1337 1 year ago
If i were single, and you were dumb enough to give me your contact information, i would date you. And my body is just as fine-tuned as yours ;P
horsesandmountains 1 year ago
I really like how you randomly threw in the ridiculous creationist arguments here and there. Of course however, you replaced "god" with, stone, or seagull or something. "What proof, and evidence, do you have, that proves this stone is true and accurate." rofl
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what I understand as fine tuned is that something has been meticulously produced, created or arranged in such a way so as to produce and or manifest a second or later specifi and desired outcome. and the argument is used to infer that if such is the case of existance then it stands to reason that there may be intention behind this fine tunning.
jrev37 1 year ago
fine-tuning- sciences constant struggle to come closer to the truth of any idea
sambricky 1 year ago
Hmmm, there was this channel called Andromeda's Wake and it had some cool astronomy videos that i rly enjoyed watching. Now it's too much about creationist bashing and too little about astronomy... too bad. What happened to u dude? U got swept up by the tide of ignorance and u forgot to get out again... Don't u see this war on fundamentalists is consuming u? The more u feed a fire, the longer it's going to burn... Forget about them, just focus on what u love the most - astronomy !
Peace.
mancamiatipoola 1 year ago
When I first heard of the this fine tuning or "anthropic principal". I laughed at how narrow minded it was. How can anyone come to such a conclusion when so much is unknown? There might be some underlying principal as yet undiscovered to this apparent "fine tuning". This is also the reason why I laugh at those who say the fate of the universe is heat death. What real physicists and astrophysicists say is "right now" it would appear that is the case until more data can be collected.
madzyzome 1 year ago
Well there's a whole lot of errors here. First of, Creationists I've heard talk about "fine tuned" do so in regards to the Laws of Physics. The argument is that the Laws are "fine tuned" the way they are to alow for life ("read humans"). Without theese "fine tuned" Laws the way they are the Universe would not exist.
And many times this comes up when debating Evolution, which we all know has nothing to do with the Laws of Physics or how the Universe began - sigh.
PaxOfMind 1 year ago
I've never seen a definition but the term "fine-tuned" as it might relate to biology suggests that the qualities of a lifeform are well suited to the environment in which they evolved (because if they weren't something that was better suited would have out competed it of course).
warren52nz 1 year ago
I think the stone is false.
ekhaat 1 year ago
Chackmate, Dawkins! Made me laugh!
I will admit to not knowing much about this fine tuning business. I am currently under the impression that it has something to do with the precision of the measurements of constants.
dungeonmunky 1 year ago
Hee hee - your intro reminded me of Mark from Peep Show!
Friday9951 1 year ago
A good way to think of fine tuning is to imagine a puzzle with one piece missing. When you look at it as a whole you know the exact size, shape, and appearance of the missing piece. The puzzle would be our theory and the missing piece is the constant we have to add in order to complete our theory. But like I said, this piece may not just be lost. It may not even exist at all. Some theories will never stand alone without being fine tuned.
mimedogg 1 year ago
I think the universal fine tuning is of the universal constants which are arbitrary. Like the weak nuclear force, weight of an electron, strength of gravity etc.
matt7kiwi 1 year ago
What proof and evidence that this rock is accurate and correct? --LOL!
fc007 1 year ago
To me, the term "fine-tuning" expresses the idea of making careful adjustments on some sort of sliding scale, even if the scale in question isn't perfectly analog. That is, between white and black, I can pick grey, and then decide that I want it a bit darker - no, wait, a bit lighter than that. There we go.
Of course, I don't believe in young Earth creationism anyway, since clearly the Elder Things came to Antarctica hundreds of millions of years ago and tweaked existing life. Ia! Ia! Fhtagn!
WatcherThePunk 1 year ago
from a biological stand point, fine tuning can refer to the progressive improvement of anatomical, cellular, physiological, genetic or biochemical characteristics of an animal over successive generations, through evolutionary mechanisms, to allow that animal to be more suited for its environment.
experimentally, fine tuning refers to the progressive increase in accuracy and/or precision of measuring observable events. e.g. being able to measure km at cm resolution to mm to pm...
ride6tnine 1 year ago
(Without looking it up) In science, I would imagine that 'fine tuning' is alteration of varriables in experimentation (and testing of a hypothesis?) to a fine/accurate degree as necessary for the purposes of the test.
No idea if that is correct.
Begs the questions really: when a creationist says 'fine tuning' are they using the phrase scientifically or in layman terms?
GreyFoxNinjaFan 1 year ago
It is an Atheist Stone. It has the "A" to prove it.
Pareidolia is pretty cool in a deceptively apparent way.
O2BSoLucky 1 year ago
Fine Tunning is what scientists use to make measurements of a relationship when they don't have a better understanding of that relationship.
For instance if scientists did not understand acceleration or gravity, then they might use a very complicated system to describe how long it takes for an object to fall from different heights. Possibly several different exponential functions for different height ranges. This would be a 'Fine Tuned' system.
Darkestaxe 1 year ago
from what I gather "fine tuned" ties deeply into the theistic need for their imaginary friend to be in control of everything. nothing just happens, good things are a reward, bad things are a punishment or a challenge. also that we're perfect, optimized- for worshiping god.
jwfcp 1 year ago
Ran out of space. We assume it's there because everytime we do an experiment and apply this constant to our theory we observe it to work. This is abstract and hard to explain my line of thinking. I was there for the big bang and will be there at the end of the universe and shall answer any questions about it along the way. Maybe I should write a book and people will worship me!
mimedogg 1 year ago
Fine Tuning is a constant that is given to a scientific theory and without this constant the theory would be incomplete. For example a theory could explain everything on very large scales perfectly but when you get down to very small scales things fall apart. By adding this constant it would make things work on small scales too and also would not have an effect on the large scale. Also whether this constant truely exists or not is unknown...it simply completes the theory so we assume it's there.
mimedogg 1 year ago 8
an effort to enforce a specific set of exact parameters in order to achieve a defined goal.
furtim1 1 year ago
Why do we think this universe is fine-tuned for us? We are clearly the anomaly. The analogy I use, is imagine a large, nicely constructed, modern home with all the possible amenities. Now, what if someone found a small trace of a bizarre mold, years later, behind a refrigerator. Would someone argue the home was designed with the mold in mind? No. So why do we do the same with the our universe?
EntropyUniverse 1 year ago
Fine tuning is used to explain why certain parameters fall in such a narrow band ie the green zone for planets,and usually means that there is something more fundamental at play.
mage1over137 1 year ago
@AndromedasWake *Without looking it up* Fine tuning sounds like a name given to explain how certain things adapt to suit their surroundings eventually. Best way I can explain it in my own words is like how a virus will be re-programmed to get around anti-virus software and vice-versa. Kind of like an arms race against whatever is trying to kill you, be it environmental pressures, predators or suchlike. That's the best I can do in this little space of 500 words, sorry.
FuckSlice 1 year ago
Ooh, don't forget Lisa Simpson's "Bear-repellant rock", remember that episode?
Xunkun 1 year ago
It's official, AndromedasWake has gone mad xD
CoolFire666 1 year ago
There's an atheists A on that stone! It's obviously a message from God! Fuck only knows what he means though... ; )
Thanatosmanus 1 year ago
I think fine-tuning is the question of why the cosmological constant, Coulomb constant, etc. are in ranges friendly to chemistry. If they were off by a few percent, then protons and neutrons would never form nuclei or electrons would crash into nuclei and molecules would never form. Ideally we're looking for something that explains why all of the forces relate to each other in magnitude as they do, or that other "poorly-tuned" universes do exist, but with no life to ask "what gives?"
RichardMNixon 1 year ago
I got the impression from your last video (which I haven't watched since the day you put it up) that fine tuning is the minor adjustments made to a scientific model to make it better fit observed reality. I'm not sure whether that means including previously unaccounted for variables or tweaking something without knowing why you're tweaking it for the sole purpose of having a model as closely representative and predictive of reality as possible.
EpsilonKnight7 1 year ago
My understanding of fine tuning is that if either of the forces in the universe were any different to what they actually are at present, the universe would either cease to exist, or would be very different to what it is now, i.e if the weak nuclear force were just a fraction of a percent different, atoms would have been unable to have formed, or if the force of gravity were slightly higher the universe would have imploded soon after the big bang.
Do I get a prize if I get it right?
Gcarse 1 year ago
You really pwned that duck!
noswonky 1 year ago
In my idea, completely scientific illiterate as it is, fine tuning is making small changes to something for maximum effectiveness.
Ducks are stupid. if they had bigger brains, they couldn't fly and crash into the ground.
dutchvigilante 1 year ago
Fine Tuning: The conditions and constants in the universe have subsequently produced life as we know it on Earth.
The creationist argument seems to me nothing more than a tautology which boils down to - "If things were different, then things would be different"
We do not know if things would/could be different because there is only 1 universe that we know of and there is life in it
HeshMetalhead 1 year ago
Phil Plait will be at Dragon*Con in Atlanta in September. Don't miss him (and don't miss the Skeptic Track) there. PM me if you'll be there.
"Fine Tuned": Universal parameters set by an intelligent agent (god) for the purpose of allowing us to be here. The sentient and supernatural nature of this entity is required. The base assumption is that life could not exist with universal parameters of any other values.
HarshColby 1 year ago
check mate Dawkins! lol
calebp9503 1 year ago
When I hear creationist describe "Fine-tune" I think of a lottery that has imposable odds. How could everything be exactly right for us to thrive on this planet. The odds they gave were astronomical, but they missed what was to me obvious. If you sell an imposable number of lottery tickets with one winner, fact: there will be one winner. If one thing in nature was different, frozen H2O being heavier then liquid H2O, we wouldn't be here but something else would, something else would have won.
Bayhuntr 1 year ago
Fine tuning life, to me, means that natural selection has the ability to fine tune life in accordance with the habitat in which the selection took place. Darwin's Finches had been finely tuned by evolution for survival in their individual areas of the Galapagos. To theologists, however, it seems they think fine tuning means that God fine tuned life to survive on this planet, while they fail to recognize 99 percent of all species that have ever lived on earth are extinct.
WhrsTheMoneyLabowski 1 year ago
Fine tuning. I get it. I think this argument is easy. What's to say that there aren't an infinite number of universes, each with varying constants. The only place it would ever be possible to for carbon-based life forms to have a conversation on fine tuning, would be in a universe that was 'fine tuned' to allow for carbon-base life.
EntropyUniverse 1 year ago
"Hey duck can you provide proof and evidence that nonstampcollecting is accurate and correct?"
"Ahh no answer eh? No answer you see that!"
Man how hilarious. Anyways I only vaguely recall how fine tuning is used in scientific terminology. Only one I recall is those used by creationist.
DearestyouXII 1 year ago
To be honest, I've never heard the term "fine tuning" outside of creationist propaganda media. I assumed that it was a phrase of their creation.
Having read a bit more (and still not really understanding), I'm not convinced that Creationists have deliberately redefined the term. The concept of what they mean seems so distant from the scientific one, that I'd forgive them for claiming that they found an independent argument, and labelled that with a catchy name that happens to clash.
cartbeforehorse 1 year ago
Fine tuning: The fact that a limited number of universal constants (I think less than 10) have values that, if they were even slightly different, would result in a universe where the existence of life is imposible.
What I really wonder is how (or if) scientists know whether these constants are independent of one another and also whether their variation is possible or is varying these constants more like saying "in the time before the universe", aka non-applicable.
LynxChan 1 year ago
details in the sex bar
TheLoconate 1 year ago
fine tuning defined: The action of making small adjustments to variables in order to have your end product give the proper or expected output.
i personal see no application for the usage in natural science unless where talking about the act of modeling
deathZor42 1 year ago
i thought it had something to do with certain constants or laws of nature seeming to be the only way for there to be a specific outcome, without any special reason why they should be.
lepthymo 1 year ago
Fine-tuning: the only use I know of this term within science is as a description of the fact that apparently independent physical constants of the universe have values to within tight tolerances which if different would not allow the formation of long-lived solar systems: gravity, strong force etc.
I guess there could be other uses of the term to identify similarly "fortunate" arrangements allowing effects which make the universe or some other system more interesting or hospitable.
Joffan7 1 year ago
is fine tuning like, after major evolutionary steps, they are smaller things.
example like developing eyes and legs etc to developing things such as eyebrows to stop sweat going into eyes etc
pooboo1188 1 year ago
I don't think you will get your wish that "bad Universe" will cut down on the ridicules messages that you.get. In order for that to happen those people would have to actually WATCH.
cosmicbimbo 1 year ago
Fine tuning is the introduction of underivable constants that are needed for the model or theory to work and fit the data. The constants only have validity in the context of the model or theory and so show the model of theory is incomplete; they don't neccessarily represent anything in reality itself. As more data and evidence is accumilated, the constants may need modifying, become derivable, or be superceeded by theory or model that doesn't need them
intermender 1 year ago
Fine tuning is when you are within half-tones and you are then working to smooth out the beat tones between two strings.
Fine tuning is also advancing/retarding the ignition timing to proving optimal performance or fuel efficiency.
I'm both into cars in guitars. :P
allmakescombined 1 year ago
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AlanCFA 1 year ago
Fine Tuning - What i learned from your previous video is that fine tuning is a term that describes a system whose state is governed by a set of parameters which when changed slightly would result in the system to exist in a completely different state. Also the system itself has no internal means of controlling said parameters.
dro0 1 year ago
How do you know that the universe is not Fine-tun?
How many universes have you analyzed?
VyckRo 1 year ago
@VyckRo You only need to look at the one we're in. Considering the vast majority of the universe works against our favor, while this tiny little pocket happens to be one small area where life is permitted.. Not to mentioned the earth is inevitably doomed to wipe us out through climate change, the sun is inevitable doomed to wipe the earth out, Andromeda is inevitably doomed to wipe out the Milky Way and expansion is inevitably doomed to extinguish the universe: NO it's not 'fine tuned' for us.
allmakescombined 1 year ago
why cant you be a partner?!
vinewalker 1 year ago
Fine-tuning, as I understand it, is the idea that our universe has exactly the properties necessary for the evolution of life as we know it.
biznor3 1 year ago
Noisy and wet? Thought our hearing was developed later.
MtlRedAtheist 1 year ago
awesome intro
mrh3h 1 year ago
i predict andromedawake will have yet another reference to jessi slaughter in his next video, this is really getting old.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356 what is that?
AndromedasWake 1 year ago
@AndromedasWake
*AndromedasWake
I apologise for my failure at spelling.
Anon12356 1 year ago
what I understand as fine tuned is that something has been meticulously produced, created or arranged in such a way so as to produce and or manifest a second or later specifi and desired outcome. and the argument is used to infer that if such is the case of existance then it stands to reason that there may be intention behind this fine tunning.
jrev37 1 year ago
off course such is not the case. The universe for the most part is
hostile to what we call life. Totally Contrary.
jrev37 1 year ago
@AndromedasWake I use this video as an example of British and Canadian humour to my students in Mexico CIty because they just don´t get my sarcasm or bad sense of humour...like the ´bad case of under-subscription´ or ´what are the odds?´ THEY NEVER GET ME!! HAHA
Cheers,
Papa
papasitoman 1 year ago
Does any one know that piece of music with the kittens?
RahRy444 1 year ago
@RahRy444 Ave Maria...
Epistemofo 1 year ago
Fine tuning: When an object or device is altered to better suit a role.
revolvingdoo 1 year ago
As I understand the term 'fine tuning' and how it applies to organisms, it is the process by which a species develops its unique combination of adaptations that allow the species to more effectively propagate in the environment in which it resides. The term seems most appropriate for describing the process of evolution when viewed on the small scale, though through continuous fine tuning to a changing environment over many generations, it can result in what we recognise as evolution.
AmyS77 1 year ago
The beach reminded me of my first living experience in UK, in Brighton.
mirandansa 1 year ago
you guys have really grown up he says with an air of pretence that was not intended.
well done guys.
taffy3350 1 year ago
Good old England, with your beautiful ummm pebble beaches... I think I'll stay in Australia with out sand
Messoppolis 1 year ago
fine tune mean to me synchronized machine or software to work with optimal efficiency
i gues religion is a psychological program of the mind like an anti virus ,but like all anti virus they cause lag decreasing optimal efficiency ,why not use a personal firewall instead lol
okuma0kuma 1 year ago
because that stone evolved from crocodiles! XDD
rrrandommman 1 year ago
I thought fine tuning had to do with the difference between the predicted quantity of energy in the quantum foam, and the measured energy, which is many orders of magnitude.
Alternatively, I've heard it in reference to the anrthropomorphic argument, basically saying that the force ratios could be altered only slightly and we'd have either expansion too fast for galaxies to form, or else a collapse so sudden. Either way, no chance for heavy elements to come from star explosions to planets
neoaeonian 1 year ago
Fine-tuning argument means the world we live in is just too impossible to come from "nothing",so there must be god.Also the fine-tuning argument states that everything must be "perfectly" set or life has no chance or zero to none chance to arise. Well i.m.o. this is a fallacy known as arguing from ignorance,but it might be just me...
SkyGrain 1 year ago
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adhdnick 1 year ago
AW, do you troll ducks when the camera's off?
C0nc0rdance is awesome, I'm not sure how I found him but it could've been through you.
I think of fine-tuning as tweaking the various numbers involved when setting up a system. This is based on what you said in your last video, but it fits the notion of a fine-tuning argument for creation, which is the only way I've ever really thought about fine tuning.
airandfingers 1 year ago
My understanding of the concept is that life evolves to its environment. That includes the planetary environment and its chemical make-up. I made a video about how plants might be different colors around different types of stars. Life on other planets might also use liquid methane as a solvent instead of liquid water. Even down into the details of the elements and chemicals life has to work with and can create. In short, we're fine-tuned for the Earth, not the other way around.
shanedk 1 year ago
ugh... look at that disgusting atlantic ocean... *stupid phytoplankton*
BIGgourami 1 year ago
Non-stamp collecting, crocoduck, backtracking, reporting to the cyber police and so on... I get a little happy inside everytime these geeky references show up around the interwebs... your a brilliant, lovely, geeky guy. I'm looking foward to this sunday. You better deliver or consequences will NEVER be the same.
xxDickBonesxx 1 year ago
hmmm in the lower left on the stone it has expressed that it is an atheist...
Divine proof that there is no god! 8-o
All hail the stone!
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Now then.
I want to know how the trees grew just the right shape to be made into that pier.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
@DeathofSpeech
errr right... the other left
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
I think it means to become optimized to function within your environment, or the honing of your parts to specialize in certain tasks.
JeraPerthro 1 year ago
with no particular respect to any discipline...
fine tune: to adjust a musical note, idea, or blue print so that the finished product is more accurate.usually small details such as a more perfect word, measurement, or tone
practicalmagic9 1 year ago
Ah, the Dawkins rebuttal. Well put.
Superphilipp 1 year ago
For me, fine tuning describes how evolution selects the life that best fits the current environmental situation. Life is fine tuned, through evolution, for the world. Of course Creationists see it completely reversed and think life has to be the way it currently is and it is impossibly amazing that the planet is perfect for life. As if life could somehow evolve for a completely different environment than it currently lives in.
ebullock43 1 year ago
I'm not 100% about what you mean by 'fine tuning', but is it like natural selection?
Is fine tuning specific or is it just general about an organism's evolution?
Is it like an eye being fine tuned over generations, or is a species being fine tuned to fit its environment?
Deterodae 1 year ago
Fine tuning: Creationist definition - the four fundamental forces were set by a supreme being specifically to allow a life-bearing universe.
Scientific definition - No idea.
Gorteenminogue 1 year ago
@Gorteenminogue
and creationists idea has no proof so basically its a made up idea
ph3rr3r0 1 year ago
@ph3rr3r0 Correct: I should have said that myself.
Gorteenminogue 1 year ago
My bass is fine-tuned down to Drop D...
CB563 1 year ago 8
@CB563 I assume you use a strobe tuner in order to get the finest tuning possible.
IamLiterallyRetarded 1 year ago
when i not only tune the string, i also set the intonation right on my guitar
w00per 1 year ago
Fine Tuning see CrAP debunked #7 or what B1lackHayabusa said. Kitties that pray are cute.
MakinH2O 1 year ago
"omg there is a sea gull what are the odds?"
bobbysnobby 1 year ago
i thought fine tuning was a term scientists used to describe small changes made to the parameters in a model so that it behaves more like nature and produces phenomena we've already observed.
B1ackHayabusa 1 year ago
i think fine tuned is when a species is best adapted to their enviroment
evb4mvp 1 year ago
Fine tuning is the tweaking of properties to better suit a certain goal
MelleB90 1 year ago
Fine tuning is the tuning of a theory's particular values to make it make sense with what is observed. The values have no underlying reason to be that way that has been discovered yet, but they work.
mphmm 1 year ago
I think fine tuning of the universe is referring to the universe once being very disorganized and unformed compared to whereas now we have galaxies and planets and stars and people say that the forming and collecting of these galaxies from a disorganized universe to what we have now is "fine tuned". Creationists say that the universe was "fine tuned" from chaos to what it is now, and they say that "fine tuning implies a tuner" which implies a god.
MrMultiPat 1 year ago
I would think fine-tuned is like when a car is fine-tuned for formula 1 driving. It can only do F1 because of it´s particular adjustment to racing. It is adjusted to do corners quickly and accelerate as fast as possible. It is also "tuned" within the limits of the rules I suppose, that could be called "fine-tuning" as well.
It really isnt that easy to define it but I hope you get what I mean.
Korkzor 1 year ago
A fine tuned model can only explain the data within a small area of parameter space.
Ie A Falling object on the earth can be modeled by y=-a*x^2 and although a should be 9.8 m/s^2 this model performs quite well even with different values for the parameter (say 10 m/s^2 or even 1 if your measurement error is large enough). So I wouldn't consider it a finally tuned model.
PDZdomain 1 year ago
To me fine tuning is when a sentient being "fiddles" (for lack of a better word) with something in an effort to adjust a specific(or general?) property of said thing.
maverik713 1 year ago
every time I go swimming I thank god that I used to live in that shit haha... pun intended
Craigipedia 1 year ago
fine tuning is when all of somethings parts are used for a single purpose.
For example: all parts of a car are used for comfortable transportation from one place to another
RazorBlade747 1 year ago
when through natural process of survival of the fittest a species evolves to be fined tuned to its surroundings?
MrNinjaSpartan 1 year ago
Fine-Tuning as far as I know in laments terms.
Small changes to optimize performance or conditions?
Kefko 1 year ago
I think the meaning creationists get lost in is OPTIMIZATION... That one implies that SOMEONE optimized it, hence all the intelligent designer crap.
That's different from the "balancing point of possibility" type of argument, like "it's like this because this is one of the few possibilities to allow x, y and z".
sp00x 1 year ago
Watch out for British Petroleum!
They like to pollute the waters with sludge
and destroy ecosystems.
biozamadotcom 1 year ago
Fine-tuning? I've never really heard of it. I'd suppose it has to do with small natural changes to a species based on acute environmental/etc changes and such. But as I said, never heard of it. I'll watch your video and find out though! =D
HitodamaKyrie 1 year ago
Fine tuning is what you do for instance to a cars carburetor to squeeze that last bit of performance out of your shoddy old fashioned engine.
Dunedaincolty 1 year ago
I feel sorry for that duck, he will never understand why he is wrong.
themishkin 1 year ago
So, my understanding of fine-tuning. In some quantum field theories, there are radiative corrections to the value of some physical constant that are orders of magnitude larger than the observed value of that constant. In these theories, the bare value (the value prior to radiative corrections) has to be fixed to be very close to the corrections, but off by just the experimental value. This (AFAIK) has to be redone with every order of perturbation theory. This match-up is called fine tuning.
schrodingasdawg 1 year ago
Until your last video, I just thought Fine Tuning was a creationist term so they could pretend there was a cause for the Anthropic Principle. Now, after only seeing your video once, my basic understanding of Fine Tuning in science is assigning values to unknowns to make a model work with the values that are known. Like space savers in equations until the actual values can be obtained. For example, Einsteins Cosmological Constant would have been a misuse of fine tuning. So, how confused am I?
YashinNashi 1 year ago
As far as I understand fine-tuning: (I might oversimplify)
You formulate an hypothesis (for example): E=mgh and E=1/2mv^2
The second equation is known. You can measure the speed and mass and then calculate its energy.
Now for the second equation let's say we don't know g. But we use the same mass as for the first equation, and we determine the height at which at the end the speed =v.
Now can deduce g by pluging in the numbers.
Next time we want to use 1 we can use the value g we calculated.
Mehatos 1 year ago
Fine Tuning - "Referring to the properties of various particles and forces, their interactions, and how this results in what we recognize as the known universe"
- IMHO
SwissTopper 1 year ago
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Fine tuning is the result of evolution. You can't have one without the other.
oexnorth 1 year ago
slight (fine) changes that make an organism better suited (tuned) for successful reproduction in its environment
eyeinthesky75 1 year ago
From what I understand, the idea of fine tuning is that the various laws that government the universal physical forces are "just right" for life. I don't believe that is accurate to be honest but that is the definition I hear the most.
brianblackberry 1 year ago
Noisy and wet! haha
uck1007 1 year ago
Fine tuning:
Scientific definition:
An animal adapts to its niche so well it's built perfectly for the "jobs" it needs to do. Just like the puddle fits itself to the hole it's in.
Creationist definition:
God, having decided in advance what niche the animal will be in, designed it to match that perfectly. So perfectly this couldn't have evolved by chance.
Mithcoriel 1 year ago
Fine-Tuning; the idea that the universe can only exist within a narrow range of parameters. Which would make our existence pretty special... if there has been only one singularity (or other universal ignition) ever. If not, then our existence is just an accident waiting to happen.
Saaur2 1 year ago
I like how you throw random misconceptions in your video. Fine tuning, when a (pretty girl) tunes an instrument in the shower.
azumaninjay 1 year ago
The seagull was fine-tuned to be there.
VanKlaunch 1 year ago
Fine tuning refers to the fact that there are several "values", such as the power of the gravitational force, with the attribute that if they were different then chemestry or physics would be so radically different that the universe as we know it would be quite different indeed and not be able to support life as we know it.
However we do not know if the values are free to vary at all, and we do not know if there are many "combinations" of values wich give rise to complex chemestry.
GustafSjoblom 1 year ago
I think fine tuning is a result of life accommodating the nature of the universe, not the universe accommodating life as we know it. Had the nature of the universe been different but still capable of supporting something like life, then life would of probably developed accordingly, perhaps not in the same manner or degree as it has now, but that's a given. Though I'm not sure if I was meant to understand it beyond life (eg, fact that earth can maintain our atmosphere/the math of the cosmos etc)
HealingBlight 1 year ago
Off the top of my head I think Fine Tunning is how evolution makes a certain characteristic more Fine Tunned to your environment. That is to say, birds getting longer and longer beaks to get at food in hard to reach places, Polar bears with thicker fur, ect.
Atalas9 1 year ago
Checkmate, Dawkins! muhaahahahaha
brandonayers 1 year ago
when i think of fine-tuning i think of drag racing. Drag racers fine-tune every little detail in their car so that they can get to the finish line just one-tenth of a second faster. Fine-tuning is taking every detail, and making it perfect.
You can also refer to the training of Bruce Lee as fine-tuning.
This man perfected his exercises to get the best workout possible. He also chose his meals very specifically to the nutrients that he needed. That's the closest your body will get to fine-tuned.
chadd990 1 year ago
Fine tuning refers to the work of a particular physicist which calculated that if the universal constants were even slightly different, the universe would be greatly different. He imagined the universal constants as dials which could be turned. Under that construct, one would have to finely "tune" all the settings to what science has observed, or matter wouldn't form. I've always understood it as metaphor, a reaching one at that, because our physics is based on the constants as they are.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
that's one nasty looking beach
teddirez 1 year ago
To my understanding the term fine tuning refers to the idea that a number of universal constants couldn't be changed by as little as 10^-(shitloads) and still result in a universe that doesn't collapse imediately under gravity or float apart without forming matter.
TheSameDonkey 1 year ago
My understanding of fine-tuning: It is a process by which an equilibrium is reached by means of many small adjustments. Fine-tuned would thus be in an equilibrium with the current environment.
1729taxis 1 year ago
The phrase "fine-tuning" sounds to me like it would describe an intelligent entity modifying something with intent for some sort of purpose, like tuning a guitar. That, however is probably not the scientific definition of the term.
LordToast 1 year ago
@LordToast It's kind of like the word theory. It gives a certain impression that isn't accurate to what scientists mean when they use it. The Big Bang is another slightly similar example. What is described in the theory was neither big, nor was there a bang. The term "Big Bang" was a insulting phrase coined by an opponent to the theory. It stuck.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 Yeah, I figured as much.
LordToast 1 year ago
I believe it was someting like: fine tuning the process of changing the characteristics of experimental enviroments to make it representative for what the experiment is researching. i also remember something that the need of doing this only comes from our lack of knowledge of the universe and not because some deity "fine-tuned" it.
or something like that :D
Tutterkop 1 year ago
Whilst I normally believe getting the semantics right is key, they know what they mean when they say “the Universe is fine tuned for life”, we know what they mean, why worry about the semantics in this case?
I’d concentrate on the problems with the argument. I.e. a) they can’t produce evidence that it is true, b) even if it is true there are several plausible naturalistic explanations, c) it is possible to imagine better “tuned” universes.
kandtell 1 year ago
I'm not scientifically educated, but as I understand fine tuning it's;
In order for first the big bang to be done right, and then the evolution of life on earth to create humans to happen, there either must be a god, or seen (teleologically) from the time of BB; the chances of us to be would be slim.
skinnyjohnsen 1 year ago
@skinnyjohnsen hi, I believe that's the creationist conclusion about fine-tuning. but you didn't anwser the question about "what' fine-tuning is.
Tutterkop 1 year ago
First, a hearty thank you for the note on keeping the sub feeds clean.
Second, to address fine tuning, I actually remember hearing this from a video and from what I remember, I believe that it has to do with tuning a scientific model so that the data fits properly / works as expected.
Now, I am off to google and see if I am right lmao.
humacyrnus 1 year ago
I hear a lot of creationists say that the 'Earth is fine-tuned for life', to which my response is always that, "No, life is fine-tuned for the earth". And what I mean by that is, that the earth came to be, and then life came to be, and as life developed, it changed and adapted to fit the earth, and better be able to survive on it. If the earth undergoes another sudden change, life would change again, to better fit the environment.
Although, fine-tuned isn't really a good word any more since we
Rinji 1 year ago
(continued) can clearly survive without certain aspects of our lives. Gravity for example seem key in every day life, however, astronauts seem to adapt and survive perfectly well, without exploding or something silly.
So we're less fine-tuned and more . . . Generally adapted?
Rinji 1 year ago
@Rinji
I think in your example adaptation and fine-tuning refer to the same thing.
Individuals are able to adapt and survive for a certain amount of time in zero-gravity, but it does put severe stress on the body, and no-one would last for very long. Just as you couldn't live long under 5g's.
But you can contemplate beings who evolved under those conditions who are thus adapted or fine-tuned for that environment. Adaptation, or fine-tuning, has some robustness to it.
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didjabringadidjalong 1 year ago
@didjabringadidjalong
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You can change the initial parameters of a complex system, resulting in a different outcome. But the self-organizing principle behind those systems remains.
I think it's also a matter of semantics. Adaptation suggests a more flexible process than fine-tuning imho. Fine-tuning is fiddling with a 400-hp engine to try and squeeze out another few horse-powers, adaptation is completely rebuilding it so it can run on tapwater.
didjabringadidjalong 1 year ago
Before your video, I thought that Fine Tuning referred to the apparent exact values that the physical constants of the universe had to have, so that life as we know it could arise.
After your video, I learnt that ‘fine tuning’ refers to the process that scientists use to ensure that their models reflect the real universe.
I am not convinced that these values could be different; no one has ever shown that they could. Also, could life arise with different values?
I await your new video.
bobguk 1 year ago
Fine-tuning is when something is edited in small ways so it can function properly, I think...
irockyou1337 1 year ago
Crocodiles evolved from ducks ??????
samdon815 1 year ago
A good example for fine tuning is developmental biology. Look at the early development of Drosophila melanogaster. It's well described by Nüsslein-Volhart, Lewis and Wieschaus. Fine tuning would be