@kooziejr Are you seroius? Not bloody likely. Not to take away from his accomplishments, but I'm sure he's the first to admit that he wouldn't be playing in the tour anytime soon. There's alot more to just long bombing drives to make it to the tour.
@mineralmax Lol, hear hear. Two different worlds. Besides, from hearing Jamie talk about LD it seems he truly has a passion for the sport, so I don't think the notion that "he's just winning LDA championships until he's good enough to get on the tour" is very true...but if he told me he had no serious thoughts about trying to play on the tour I wouldn't believe him :-) Time shall tell
@TooMuchPwn Don't be jealous. He is the best player in the world at the moment. Look how far he hits it. He could hole in one every hole if he wanted.
Another key is once the hips are coiled on the backswing, don't move the head forward. Leave it right where it is at coiled postion. If the head moves forward on the downswing, the upper body moves, the whole kinetic chain is ruined and all stored power is wasted. I actually don't golf any more, due to injuries from other sports, but I used to have excellent swing (tennis, golf) and throwing (baseball) muscles. Watch a javelin thrower. The upper body catapults off the lead leg pushing back hard.
He's five foot ten inches, 165 lbs. I'm 6 foot 195 lbs. If you want some tips on long driving check out Kelly Murray or Mike Dunaway or Mike Austin (clothesline release). You see how his left arm stays straight (long swing arc). See his rear shoulder come down, it adds to the swing speed. See his lead leg push back. It creates faster spin speed for the hips. The clubhead centrifugal force should pull the hands through. Sweep. His biggest skill is keeping in a small fairway with max power.
He's golfing right-handed but is a lefty. That's why it's easier to cock both wrists. I do the same thing and have cracked over 400 yds. It's because the lead arm doesn't need to be trained to stay straight. It's just automatically dominant. I'm nowhere near as consistent as he is but I know the advantage of golfing opposite. He also gets major push back off of his lead leg. On my best drives I found the wrists actually stretched from the clubhead pulling them...and his clothesline release!
"the first double lever golf swing in history.......he sets both wrists retains them both...basically he has 2 right hands"???What hole has this idiot announcer been living in??The 2 lever golf swing has been around since the first cave man swung a club.Wrists have been set and retained since golf was first played.I'm even more amazed at the "2 right hands" remark, This idiot read Ben Hogans book and bastardized the meaning of "2right hands".Homer Kelley and Hogan are turning in their graves
@TheNYgolfer Lol as cool of a guy as I think Art Sellinger is, I have to totally agree with you on this. Jamie might have an exceptional degree of flexibility and ability to accelerate, but he certainly isn't "inventing" any new biomechanics in the golf swing...those have been around as long as man himself, waiting for people to understand how to use them properly and take advantage of them, as Jamie here does of course.
Lag is created by firing your body at the ball. Legs, waist, core, upper body, shoulders, arms, hands, then the club head is the last to fire. Creating the lag. and the power.
The lag occurs naturally by letting the clubhead fall to gravity at the top of the backswing and a forward press prior to this
Drawing in on the arch with passive wrists induces lag without trying
The release should happen when the hands are at 4 to 5 o'clock slowing down the hands slightly while lifting and firming the left side to create centripetal force and also firming the forearms and wrists precisely at impact creating a whipping affect
The golf swing is a dynamic, athletic motion, like a pendulum with a hinge (the wrists). The idea of "holding" lag stymies the amount of power you can create from using the body to leverage the arms and having free flowing wrists through impact. Any forced manipulation of the wrists on the downswing leads to a mechanical compensation by the rest of the body in an attempt to square the clubface; it's incredibly difficult to be consistent or powerful swinging that way.
Long drive champs are like batting cage super stars. I played with a lot of guys who were smoking in BP ...and batted 204 .. "raw athleticism"..please ??
You guys with your angles, fast hands and two lever nonsense are gay. I just started long driving in July along with Domenic Mazza. We spent the latter half of the summer hitting together with world class instruction. NOBODY talked about angles, fast hands or any of that other stupid nonsense. Domenic is now the #1 American and #2 in the World AHEAD of Jamie.
Long driving is for superathletes. Golf skills don't apply, just raw athleticism that you "Golf Digest" super-douches don't have. Sorry
@CaliforniaValveworks You are an absolute moron. Every decent instructer in golf (LD or standard) teaches LAG which is how you generate more power than just the raw swing speed can produce. LAG is about angles.
@philbeck6 The concept of lag for power is pure BS. There is no lag at impact. The ideal position is a straight left arm and flat wrists at impact. There is no delayed uncocking of the wrists, as it's physically impossible to square the clubface doing that. These guys are slowly releasing their wrists all the way through the downswing and then reaching the impact position with flat wrists for maximum clubhead speed. All lag does is deloft the clubface and slow swing speed at impact.
The club lags early in the swing not at impact! This allows you to swing the club head faster than your arms through the ball, and loads the shaft early so it unloads and whips through when your left arm and wrist are set at the ball.
Do you even play golf? If so do you not hinge your wrists? Dumb ass.
@andybaldock Thank you for stating the obvious. If you had read what I actually posted, you'd understand I'm talking about golf teachers advocating deliberately holding "lag" or wrist hinge angle on the downswing, and also advocating for the hands to be ahead of the ball at impact, which is not creating power, it's just delofting the clubface. Both of those ideas are setting up the average amateur golfer to fail. Learn to read.
@bb3383 I'm sorry but when I see such huge amounts of misinformation presented I feel the need to correct it, so some poor sap looking for actual useful ideas here won't happen upon it and believe any of it: This is a completely false statement. The Golf swing is essentially a bio-mechanical model of the "Double Pendulum", imagine an old world trebuchet. The releasing of the clubface @ impact accounts for 40% and upwards of total clubhead speed
Also of course there's no lag at impact, the clubhead has released. The clubface closes due to centrifugal force, again as Newton tells us that an object on a pendulum (clubhead) being accelerated on a circular axis (swing arc) wants to fly away from the arc in a straight line, or in this case when the swing rounds out at the bottom of the arc. Also it might surprise you to learn that a proper release isnt forced in the wrists, it happens naturally due to proper downswing acceleration.
@Con7ent Centrifugal force doesn't exist, but that's neither here nor there... Read carefully and I think you'll find what you're saying lines up exactly with what I'm saying. Hitting a golf ball should be done with leverage, and holding "lag" means forcing a delayed wrist release, which destroys momentum and lessens clubhead speed by the time the clubhead reaches impact. People who think lag is created through forced wrist manipulation and should be held will never hit for power and accuracy.
@Con7ent I would also add that lag is just a byproduct of the wrists following the dynamics of the pendulum with a hinge (or double pendulum, same thing) stemming from the leverage generated with the rest of the body, and lag in and of itself is not worth focusing on. What is worth focusing on is feeling as though your hands are releasing from the top so that your wrists aren't locked in a hinged position on the downswing and stay loose enough to naturally catch up with your arms at impact.
@G13Hennin Well don't you look like an idiot, try reading whole paragraphs sometime. The concept of holding lag with the wrists for power is BS. Moron.
He's referring to the way he cups both his right and left wrists. Daly's left arm cracks down and wraps around his head, but his left wrist remains flat. That's what the commentator meant.
Most Pro golfers have exceptional core rotation, but never achieve the speeds Jamie does; where this kid excels is in the huge length of his backswing and retaining a huge lag angle on the downswing, with that huge angle releasing at the very bottom very quickly to add as much as 40+ more MPH to his swing speed. He feels all his speed in his hands
@Con7ent While most pros have great core rotation, it's not nearly as good as Jamie's. The average X-Factor (shoulder rotation angle - hip rotation angle) is 41*; Jamie's is 51*. He turns 110* and hips only 51*, while Tour avg is 100* and 59*. That's how his recoil is so good swinging through. Like you said, his lag and arc length are essential; he gets both from having a supple left and right wrist, essentially a "2-lever swing" as some people say.
@MAlatinboy That's some interesting info there bro. The thing that I most want to know is exactly how it feels to him, but I'm afraid we don't have any such technology to reproduce that yet :-D. And, what he is actually doing vs. what he perceives he's doing, but then that would have to be the subject of a very complicated, long and tedious study that I wouldn't agree to if I were Jamie unless VERY well compensated.
@Con7ent Like the article it's from says, it's Gumbie-like rotation it seems. I wonder what he feels too, but he most likely feels like the man. Haha. And the best example of what someone is actually doing vs. what he perceives he's doing is Jason Zuback; he talks about basic fundamentals in his swing, then it looks completely different when he applies them to his swing. Zuback's swing deserves its own study :D But anyways that'd be a great study, find out the stress his body goes under.
@MAlatinboy are you retarded or so ? shoulder turn 110? dont be ridiculous. He turns his shoulders 166 º and his hips 49 º his X factor is somewhere 117 . Tiger's 85 . Check out your information before posting retarded comments.
@sandersuperfollador What? 166* would mean at 0:11 he's almost facing the "Mr. & Mrs. T" sign, which is almost completely behind him! My facts are from Golf Magazine, which is one of the top golf publications in the golf world if you've lived under a rock for awhile. Plus it's mathematically and physically sensical, your comment doesn't even make chiropractic sense. And having an X-factor of nearly 90* or more would mean your spine is severely and maybe fatally messed up. Think before typing.
@xAaronDAXx if you mean two nitwits that can't formulate an intelligent response instead opt for insults, then I totally agree. Jamie is a hockey player. Any hockey player recognizes the many elements of a slapshot in his swing. A slapshot is different and harder than a wrist shot because the wrists are kept stiff and only turn after contact. Exactly what anyone with a functioning brain can see Jamie doing in the video. Only an uneducated non-athlete could be so embarrassingly oblivious to it.
@CaliforniaValveworks WOW non-athlete, Im a non-athlete, you don't even know me man, maybe i don't know physics the way you do ok but i know what works for me, if you would like to see what i got ill post a video, its just about as close to jamie as your gonna get!
Really? The LAWS of physics don't apply to Long Driving. Priceless!
I can touch my pinky to my thumb around my wimpy wrists. Yet I can regularly drive 350-400+ just two months in to the sport. I shattered the titanium face of a 427cc King Cobra yesterday. That double-lever wrist BS is hooey. His back leg turns his core, which whips the shoulders around. Keeping it all tight creates max speed (think of a spinning ice skater). This same basic technique made me an allstar Semi-Pro kicker.
@CaliforniaValveworks I never said the laws of physics dont apply did i, or are u assuming that my statement is towards everything u said, it was aimed at "Wrists can give you 400+ power is laughable", HANDS ARE MAJOR! yeah your body turn is important but a body turn with no wrist's is harder to get 350+ drives unless you are Zuback or Shuba! ive shattered 4 Geek heads, 3 adams 9032's and one proD 4.5, if i have no muscle, how do I do this? FAST Hands, jamie has the fastest hands = Champ!
Would you deny that the maximum force you can create with your wrists is orders of magnitude smaller that that which you can create with your hips and shoulders combined? No. Would you deny that an object in motion stays in motion. No. So why flex your wrists? This works against the momentum produced by the core, for less returns. I'm not telling you what you should do, just stating what is verifiable fact. If you want to believe what some announcer said vs proven physics then your loss...
@xAaronDAXx if not I'll enjoy watching you on TV. I have gotten you totally off your game with off the cuff comments. In front of an ESPN camera you'll undoubtedly implode.
If random comments from cyberspace have you this worked up, how are you going to beat me or anyone under real pressure? I've gotten totally in your head without even trying. How are you going to face Jamie or Zubak like this? Honestly, get your head together man. I mean that in all seriousness. Good luck...
@CaliforniaValveworks dude... wrist are key, that's why at his tiny size is the longest. Leg strength? sure, maybe a little. but he has the best wrist in the game hence the best drive in the game. Mr. Physicist, to explain it to someone who doesn't quite understand the long drive swing, cracking a bull whip. Do you stand there and rotate you legs (where your power comes from according to you) while your arms go along for the ride to crack the whip. Really? or is it you wrist cracking the whip?
@longhitter2007 if you're so sure why do you care what I say?
But the fact is you're wrong. Nobody cracks a whip without first moving their arms and legs. Don't be ridiculous.
I know my physics are better and I don't care what anyone else does. But you so called experts seem desperate for validation. Either you're not so sure or mentally weak. Probably why I keep winning. So PLEASE keep believing what you believe and doing what you're doing. Whatever you say, I agree. How's that?
@CaliforniaValveworks i agree...sorta...cuz if u just stand still and use ur arms and wrists to crack a whip, its not gonna whip well even if ur strong. if u use ur whole body, its gonna whip more. so ur saying i should keep my arms in line with my shaft my whole swing?
Kinda. You can see that the clubhead and his hands rotate in unison, so clearly the hands are not providing any net energy to the club. Note the tight twist on the backswing which he uncoils from the bottom up. Pushing up with the back leg to rotate the hips followed by the shoulders. The hands are set in position and simply get pulled through by this motion. The resulting lag collects all the energy in the clubhead. The wrists don't break until after contact allowing full power transfer. Wham!
@CaliforniaValveworks Google Kelvin Miyahira and read his articles "Where Bubba Gets His Power From" and "Spine Engine Swing: Lateral Bend" from aroundhawaii. There are plenty of other good ones as well.
Just kidding. I will definitely check this out. Guys like Jamie, Bubba, or 170lb NFL kickers who smash balls further than it seems possible are great illustrations of how accelerating the weight center in the core using the lateral and torsional springiness of the spine can produce forces that seem greater than the sum of their parts. Its something any athlete would be wise to study, understand and use. Good heads up!
As a physicist I the idea that your wrists can give you 400+ power is laughable. These are the claims that keep your average non-athlete golfer lost in the 100's for life. Golf,baseball and kicking power all come from using the core to accelerate the extremeties in the tightest diameter circle possible. Arms legs wrists etc are only along for the ride.
@Mikemo500 100% correct. The most important thing he's doing here is turning down towards the ball initially (watch his head and back at the beginning of the downswing). The hands "are uncocked" due to the fact that the club effectively weighs hundreds of pounds at the point of impact. Intentionally uncocking the wrists is a death move and saps all of your power before it has a chance to develop.
Hempster I would say you're a genius even though this is a simple idea of physics. The throwing of the club from the top must be coupled with a shift of weight towards your intended target simultaneously or else you would be thrown backwards. The same phenomenon happens to a cannon when it fires..it rolls backwards quite a distance. ...Or the kick of a gun.
If you truly delayed the uncocking of the wrists you would never catch up on time.
Its not how much you cock your wrists, it is how quickly you uncock them that counts. And he isn't lagging, he is releasing from the top - an electromyograph would prove everyone wrong who says this.
@Inmotion70 Just like Jack Nicklaus said "as long as your lower body is moving towards the target,you can never release your hands too soon." equal and opposite reaction.
I agree, it's all hands and wrists especially , his wrists are so ''cocked'' at the top of the back swing , when they uncock on the downswing he's generating shitloads of head speed....
@gtrick64 actually, sadlowski was a hockey player, all about a strong base. Without a strong base, hands and wrists are pointless. My best friend just got into the LDA, going to the desert duel. He practices with Joe Shuba!
Just hit one 295 yesterday 60 degrees and into the wind 1" tall grass in fairway not much roll
TheGolfmanic 3 months ago
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FullTimeHypocrite 3 months ago
WOW this guy is better than tiger woods and mcilroy. Keep an eye on him will be seeing him in the pros someday soon!
kooziejr 7 months ago
@kooziejr Are you seroius? Not bloody likely. Not to take away from his accomplishments, but I'm sure he's the first to admit that he wouldn't be playing in the tour anytime soon. There's alot more to just long bombing drives to make it to the tour.
mineralmax 6 months ago
@mineralmax Lol, hear hear. Two different worlds. Besides, from hearing Jamie talk about LD it seems he truly has a passion for the sport, so I don't think the notion that "he's just winning LDA championships until he's good enough to get on the tour" is very true...but if he told me he had no serious thoughts about trying to play on the tour I wouldn't believe him :-) Time shall tell
Con7ent 6 months ago
@kooziejr He's played PGA Tour events and he is not EVEN CLOSE to the talent level of Rory.
TooMuchPwn 6 months ago
@TooMuchPwn Don't be jealous. He is the best player in the world at the moment. Look how far he hits it. He could hole in one every hole if he wanted.
kooziejr 5 months ago
@kooziejr Can't tell if trolling or stupid cunt.
TooMuchPwn 5 months ago
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thijs3211 7 months ago
Another key is once the hips are coiled on the backswing, don't move the head forward. Leave it right where it is at coiled postion. If the head moves forward on the downswing, the upper body moves, the whole kinetic chain is ruined and all stored power is wasted. I actually don't golf any more, due to injuries from other sports, but I used to have excellent swing (tennis, golf) and throwing (baseball) muscles. Watch a javelin thrower. The upper body catapults off the lead leg pushing back hard.
robertslistening 8 months ago
He's five foot ten inches, 165 lbs. I'm 6 foot 195 lbs. If you want some tips on long driving check out Kelly Murray or Mike Dunaway or Mike Austin (clothesline release). You see how his left arm stays straight (long swing arc). See his rear shoulder come down, it adds to the swing speed. See his lead leg push back. It creates faster spin speed for the hips. The clubhead centrifugal force should pull the hands through. Sweep. His biggest skill is keeping in a small fairway with max power.
robertslistening 8 months ago
tried to immitate his swing, turned out: the range is too short :)
FullTimeHypocrite 9 months ago
He's golfing right-handed but is a lefty. That's why it's easier to cock both wrists. I do the same thing and have cracked over 400 yds. It's because the lead arm doesn't need to be trained to stay straight. It's just automatically dominant. I'm nowhere near as consistent as he is but I know the advantage of golfing opposite. He also gets major push back off of his lead leg. On my best drives I found the wrists actually stretched from the clubhead pulling them...and his clothesline release!
robertslistening 9 months ago
@robertslistening i fully agree with you im a lefty but swing right, iv only been playing golf for a month and can already drive 280
jaredanson123 8 months ago
@robertslistening bullshit and bullshit! 400 yards??? bullshit?
ereys 8 months ago
"the first double lever golf swing in history.......he sets both wrists retains them both...basically he has 2 right hands"???What hole has this idiot announcer been living in??The 2 lever golf swing has been around since the first cave man swung a club.Wrists have been set and retained since golf was first played.I'm even more amazed at the "2 right hands" remark, This idiot read Ben Hogans book and bastardized the meaning of "2right hands".Homer Kelley and Hogan are turning in their graves
TheNYgolfer 10 months ago
@TheNYgolfer Lol as cool of a guy as I think Art Sellinger is, I have to totally agree with you on this. Jamie might have an exceptional degree of flexibility and ability to accelerate, but he certainly isn't "inventing" any new biomechanics in the golf swing...those have been around as long as man himself, waiting for people to understand how to use them properly and take advantage of them, as Jamie here does of course.
Con7ent 10 months ago
I hit golf balls far.....
xAaronDAXx 10 months ago
You know what I think G13Hennin is playing croquet and he thinks he's playing golf
Lag helps generate club head speed, I guess he knows nothing about physics
E=mc squared
F=dp/dt
TheGolfmanic 10 months ago
its so funny to hear what people are amazed at LOL...
goldenglove25 11 months ago
@goldenglove25 i dont get it....
remmy100 10 months ago
jamie must have rubber wrists look how much hinge he has at the top of his back swing
lipper4 11 months ago
Lag is created by firing your body at the ball. Legs, waist, core, upper body, shoulders, arms, hands, then the club head is the last to fire. Creating the lag. and the power.
G13Hennin 11 months ago
The lag occurs naturally by letting the clubhead fall to gravity at the top of the backswing and a forward press prior to this
Drawing in on the arch with passive wrists induces lag without trying
The release should happen when the hands are at 4 to 5 o'clock slowing down the hands slightly while lifting and firming the left side to create centripetal force and also firming the forearms and wrists precisely at impact creating a whipping affect
And do all this without thinking
TheGolfmanic 1 year ago
The golf swing is a dynamic, athletic motion, like a pendulum with a hinge (the wrists). The idea of "holding" lag stymies the amount of power you can create from using the body to leverage the arms and having free flowing wrists through impact. Any forced manipulation of the wrists on the downswing leads to a mechanical compensation by the rest of the body in an attempt to square the clubface; it's incredibly difficult to be consistent or powerful swinging that way.
bb3383 1 year ago
Go see "Ben Hogan's golf swing circa 1930's" here on YouTube. That was a LONG time ago. Sadlowski does it, but he was not first.
richardmireland 1 year ago
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richardmireland 1 year ago
Long drive champs are like batting cage super stars. I played with a lot of guys who were smoking in BP ...and batted 204 .. "raw athleticism"..please ??
mep10 1 year ago
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dschultz6072 1 year ago
Yeah golf principles don't apply, and neither do physics for that matter. Fail troll
Con7ent 1 year ago
You guys with your angles, fast hands and two lever nonsense are gay. I just started long driving in July along with Domenic Mazza. We spent the latter half of the summer hitting together with world class instruction. NOBODY talked about angles, fast hands or any of that other stupid nonsense. Domenic is now the #1 American and #2 in the World AHEAD of Jamie.
Long driving is for superathletes. Golf skills don't apply, just raw athleticism that you "Golf Digest" super-douches don't have. Sorry
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks You are an absolute moron. Every decent instructer in golf (LD or standard) teaches LAG which is how you generate more power than just the raw swing speed can produce. LAG is about angles.
philbeck6 1 year ago
@philbeck6 The concept of lag for power is pure BS. There is no lag at impact. The ideal position is a straight left arm and flat wrists at impact. There is no delayed uncocking of the wrists, as it's physically impossible to square the clubface doing that. These guys are slowly releasing their wrists all the way through the downswing and then reaching the impact position with flat wrists for maximum clubhead speed. All lag does is deloft the clubface and slow swing speed at impact.
bb3383 1 year ago
@bb3383
The club lags early in the swing not at impact! This allows you to swing the club head faster than your arms through the ball, and loads the shaft early so it unloads and whips through when your left arm and wrist are set at the ball.
Do you even play golf? If so do you not hinge your wrists? Dumb ass.
andybaldock 1 year ago
@andybaldock Thank you for stating the obvious. If you had read what I actually posted, you'd understand I'm talking about golf teachers advocating deliberately holding "lag" or wrist hinge angle on the downswing, and also advocating for the hands to be ahead of the ball at impact, which is not creating power, it's just delofting the clubface. Both of those ideas are setting up the average amateur golfer to fail. Learn to read.
bb3383 1 year ago
@bb3383 I'm sorry but when I see such huge amounts of misinformation presented I feel the need to correct it, so some poor sap looking for actual useful ideas here won't happen upon it and believe any of it: This is a completely false statement. The Golf swing is essentially a bio-mechanical model of the "Double Pendulum", imagine an old world trebuchet. The releasing of the clubface @ impact accounts for 40% and upwards of total clubhead speed
Con7ent 1 year ago
@bb3383
Also of course there's no lag at impact, the clubhead has released. The clubface closes due to centrifugal force, again as Newton tells us that an object on a pendulum (clubhead) being accelerated on a circular axis (swing arc) wants to fly away from the arc in a straight line, or in this case when the swing rounds out at the bottom of the arc. Also it might surprise you to learn that a proper release isnt forced in the wrists, it happens naturally due to proper downswing acceleration.
Con7ent 1 year ago
@Con7ent Centrifugal force doesn't exist, but that's neither here nor there... Read carefully and I think you'll find what you're saying lines up exactly with what I'm saying. Hitting a golf ball should be done with leverage, and holding "lag" means forcing a delayed wrist release, which destroys momentum and lessens clubhead speed by the time the clubhead reaches impact. People who think lag is created through forced wrist manipulation and should be held will never hit for power and accuracy.
bb3383 1 year ago
@Con7ent I would also add that lag is just a byproduct of the wrists following the dynamics of the pendulum with a hinge (or double pendulum, same thing) stemming from the leverage generated with the rest of the body, and lag in and of itself is not worth focusing on. What is worth focusing on is feeling as though your hands are releasing from the top so that your wrists aren't locked in a hinged position on the downswing and stay loose enough to naturally catch up with your arms at impact.
bb3383 1 year ago
@bb3383 Ah, I think I see what you are trying to say with your last post, I agree basically. Was confused by your earlier replies
Con7ent 1 year ago
@bb3383
"The concept of lag for power is pure BS"
This is a false statement. 100% wrong. Moron
G13Hennin 11 months ago
@G13Hennin Well don't you look like an idiot, try reading whole paragraphs sometime. The concept of holding lag with the wrists for power is BS. Moron.
bb3383 11 months ago
@CaliforniaValveworks you sir are an idiot
OzBooger 1 year ago
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CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
First double lever golf swing? Did you somehow forget about John Daly?
strataone 1 year ago
@strataone C`mon man john daly barely creates lag , daly creates power because the weight shift of his fat body
sandersuperfollador 1 year ago
@sandersuperfollador rewatch a vid of dalys swing. Plennnnty of lag there.
tim191219 1 year ago
@strataone
He's referring to the way he cups both his right and left wrists. Daly's left arm cracks down and wraps around his head, but his left wrist remains flat. That's what the commentator meant.
CarolinasPGApro 1 year ago
All this bullshit about "stress" on the body!!!! its like any sport when you play hard - baseball, tennis etc bunch of fags!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheBigezee77 1 year ago
Nice.
MrChipgist 1 year ago
i bet you in the downswing he feels and does nothing with his hands and arms until impact. this kid is just hanging on for the ride.
dschultz6072 1 year ago
@ California:
Most Pro golfers have exceptional core rotation, but never achieve the speeds Jamie does; where this kid excels is in the huge length of his backswing and retaining a huge lag angle on the downswing, with that huge angle releasing at the very bottom very quickly to add as much as 40+ more MPH to his swing speed. He feels all his speed in his hands
Con7ent 1 year ago
@Con7ent While most pros have great core rotation, it's not nearly as good as Jamie's. The average X-Factor (shoulder rotation angle - hip rotation angle) is 41*; Jamie's is 51*. He turns 110* and hips only 51*, while Tour avg is 100* and 59*. That's how his recoil is so good swinging through. Like you said, his lag and arc length are essential; he gets both from having a supple left and right wrist, essentially a "2-lever swing" as some people say.
MAlatinboy 1 year ago
@MAlatinboy That's some interesting info there bro. The thing that I most want to know is exactly how it feels to him, but I'm afraid we don't have any such technology to reproduce that yet :-D. And, what he is actually doing vs. what he perceives he's doing, but then that would have to be the subject of a very complicated, long and tedious study that I wouldn't agree to if I were Jamie unless VERY well compensated.
Con7ent 1 year ago
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@Con7ent Like the article it's from says, it's Gumbie-like rotation it seems. I wonder what he feels too, but he most likely feels like the man. Haha. And the best example of what someone is actually doing vs. what he perceives he's doing is Jason Zuback; he talks about basic fundamentals in his swing, then it looks completely different when he applies them to his swing. Zuback's swing deserves its own study :D But anyways that'd be a great study, find out the stress his body goes under.
MAlatinboy 1 year ago
@MAlatinboy are you retarded or so ? shoulder turn 110? dont be ridiculous. He turns his shoulders 166 º and his hips 49 º his X factor is somewhere 117 . Tiger's 85 . Check out your information before posting retarded comments.
sandersuperfollador 1 year ago
@sandersuperfollador What? 166* would mean at 0:11 he's almost facing the "Mr. & Mrs. T" sign, which is almost completely behind him! My facts are from Golf Magazine, which is one of the top golf publications in the golf world if you've lived under a rock for awhile. Plus it's mathematically and physically sensical, your comment doesn't even make chiropractic sense. And having an X-factor of nearly 90* or more would mean your spine is severely and maybe fatally messed up. Think before typing.
MAlatinboy 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks Hi im Prof. Dr. Derek G. Braun and i just wanted to say that CaliforniaValveworks is a dumb ass.
derekgbraun 1 year ago
great minds think alike!
xAaronDAXx 1 year ago
@xAaronDAXx if you mean two nitwits that can't formulate an intelligent response instead opt for insults, then I totally agree. Jamie is a hockey player. Any hockey player recognizes the many elements of a slapshot in his swing. A slapshot is different and harder than a wrist shot because the wrists are kept stiff and only turn after contact. Exactly what anyone with a functioning brain can see Jamie doing in the video. Only an uneducated non-athlete could be so embarrassingly oblivious to it.
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks WOW non-athlete, Im a non-athlete, you don't even know me man, maybe i don't know physics the way you do ok but i know what works for me, if you would like to see what i got ill post a video, its just about as close to jamie as your gonna get!
xAaronDAXx 1 year ago
Really? The LAWS of physics don't apply to Long Driving. Priceless!
I can touch my pinky to my thumb around my wimpy wrists. Yet I can regularly drive 350-400+ just two months in to the sport. I shattered the titanium face of a 427cc King Cobra yesterday. That double-lever wrist BS is hooey. His back leg turns his core, which whips the shoulders around. Keeping it all tight creates max speed (think of a spinning ice skater). This same basic technique made me an allstar Semi-Pro kicker.
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks I never said the laws of physics dont apply did i, or are u assuming that my statement is towards everything u said, it was aimed at "Wrists can give you 400+ power is laughable", HANDS ARE MAJOR! yeah your body turn is important but a body turn with no wrist's is harder to get 350+ drives unless you are Zuback or Shuba! ive shattered 4 Geek heads, 3 adams 9032's and one proD 4.5, if i have no muscle, how do I do this? FAST Hands, jamie has the fastest hands = Champ!
xAaronDAXx 1 year ago
Would you deny that the maximum force you can create with your wrists is orders of magnitude smaller that that which you can create with your hips and shoulders combined? No. Would you deny that an object in motion stays in motion. No. So why flex your wrists? This works against the momentum produced by the core, for less returns. I'm not telling you what you should do, just stating what is verifiable fact. If you want to believe what some announcer said vs proven physics then your loss...
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks Ill see you at worlds then right?
xAaronDAXx 1 year ago
@xAaronDAXx if not I'll enjoy watching you on TV. I have gotten you totally off your game with off the cuff comments. In front of an ESPN camera you'll undoubtedly implode.
If random comments from cyberspace have you this worked up, how are you going to beat me or anyone under real pressure? I've gotten totally in your head without even trying. How are you going to face Jamie or Zubak like this? Honestly, get your head together man. I mean that in all seriousness. Good luck...
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks dude... wrist are key, that's why at his tiny size is the longest. Leg strength? sure, maybe a little. but he has the best wrist in the game hence the best drive in the game. Mr. Physicist, to explain it to someone who doesn't quite understand the long drive swing, cracking a bull whip. Do you stand there and rotate you legs (where your power comes from according to you) while your arms go along for the ride to crack the whip. Really? or is it you wrist cracking the whip?
longhitter2007 1 year ago
@longhitter2007 if you're so sure why do you care what I say?
But the fact is you're wrong. Nobody cracks a whip without first moving their arms and legs. Don't be ridiculous.
I know my physics are better and I don't care what anyone else does. But you so called experts seem desperate for validation. Either you're not so sure or mentally weak. Probably why I keep winning. So PLEASE keep believing what you believe and doing what you're doing. Whatever you say, I agree. How's that?
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks i agree...sorta...cuz if u just stand still and use ur arms and wrists to crack a whip, its not gonna whip well even if ur strong. if u use ur whole body, its gonna whip more. so ur saying i should keep my arms in line with my shaft my whole swing?
bubbawatsonisbeast 1 year ago
Kinda. You can see that the clubhead and his hands rotate in unison, so clearly the hands are not providing any net energy to the club. Note the tight twist on the backswing which he uncoils from the bottom up. Pushing up with the back leg to rotate the hips followed by the shoulders. The hands are set in position and simply get pulled through by this motion. The resulting lag collects all the energy in the clubhead. The wrists don't break until after contact allowing full power transfer. Wham!
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks Google Kelvin Miyahira and read his articles "Where Bubba Gets His Power From" and "Spine Engine Swing: Lateral Bend" from aroundhawaii. There are plenty of other good ones as well.
1unstoppableman 1 year ago
@1unstoppableman I thought Bubba just had really strong hands.
Just kidding. I will definitely check this out. Guys like Jamie, Bubba, or 170lb NFL kickers who smash balls further than it seems possible are great illustrations of how accelerating the weight center in the core using the lateral and torsional springiness of the spine can produce forces that seem greater than the sum of their parts. Its something any athlete would be wise to study, understand and use. Good heads up!
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
더 늙기 전에 나도 한번...
Daewooandy 1 year ago
As a physicist I the idea that your wrists can give you 400+ power is laughable. These are the claims that keep your average non-athlete golfer lost in the 100's for life. Golf,baseball and kicking power all come from using the core to accelerate the extremeties in the tightest diameter circle possible. Arms legs wrists etc are only along for the ride.
CaliforniaValveworks 1 year ago
@CaliforniaValveworks not in long drive buddy...
xAaronDAXx 1 year ago
@Mikemo500 100% correct. The most important thing he's doing here is turning down towards the ball initially (watch his head and back at the beginning of the downswing). The hands "are uncocked" due to the fact that the club effectively weighs hundreds of pounds at the point of impact. Intentionally uncocking the wrists is a death move and saps all of your power before it has a chance to develop.
kewing3 1 year ago
I love the fact he puts so mush body force in the swing the he actually is off of his feet for a good half a second
AMMrawCR 1 year ago
Hempster I would say you're a genius even though this is a simple idea of physics. The throwing of the club from the top must be coupled with a shift of weight towards your intended target simultaneously or else you would be thrown backwards. The same phenomenon happens to a cannon when it fires..it rolls backwards quite a distance. ...Or the kick of a gun.
If you truly delayed the uncocking of the wrists you would never catch up on time.
Inmotion70 1 year ago
Looks like fun! Of course you cant play with that swing you would be OB on 75% of your tee shots. :)
staywoods 1 year ago
@staywoods then explain in one video how he hit it on the course about 2 or 3 times and all of them were in the fairway
mikepownzall 1 year ago
dumb fuck,what do you think John Daly"s swing is...
shagger67 1 year ago
@ Wool5024,
lets see your golf swing Wool5024.
svn75060 1 year ago
Its not how much you cock your wrists, it is how quickly you uncock them that counts. And he isn't lagging, he is releasing from the top - an electromyograph would prove everyone wrong who says this.
Inmotion70 2 years ago
@Inmotion70 Just like Jack Nicklaus said "as long as your lower body is moving towards the target,you can never release your hands too soon." equal and opposite reaction.
hempster 1 year ago
Anyone know what heads he's using ?
gtrick64 2 years ago
His swing looks just like mine
wool5024 2 years ago
so the cocking of wrists plus the whipping of the right hand gives the ball the blast?
volli56 2 years ago
@volli56 yes sur
brh5934 2 years ago
no its the arc and lag a person has
chakenfangersaregood 2 years ago
all power comes from the hands
auburn722 2 years ago
I agree, it's all hands and wrists especially , his wrists are so ''cocked'' at the top of the back swing , when they uncock on the downswing he's generating shitloads of head speed....
gtrick64 2 years ago
@gtrick64 actually, sadlowski was a hockey player, all about a strong base. Without a strong base, hands and wrists are pointless. My best friend just got into the LDA, going to the desert duel. He practices with Joe Shuba!
TheEzpeaz 1 year ago