Gay rights doesn't belong on the political battlefield; the matter shouldn't be voted on in the same way people would vote a statue be put up in a park, or whatever.
I respect your right to exist as an autonomous being.
No wonder kids kill themselves because they're gay. I wonder if they too realize that it's not just bullying they will recieve as children but as adults too and that they seemingly can't win. It's truly sad. Subbed to you :)
Looks like you're stuck on bigamy. Bigamy is abused and is often found in societies where female abuse is rampant. This is one of the reasons why it's illegal because of this correlation. Some like to look at religion to condemn it, or religion to support it. Depends on the religion. My feelings on bigamy in general are: If it could be practiced without abuse where no manipulation or oppression would result between two consenting adults, then it's a victimless crime. I couldn't care less.
I'm not stuck on bigamy. YOU'VE been stuck avoiding the question.
"My feelings on bigamy in general are: If it could be practiced without abuse where no manipulation or oppression would result between two consenting adults, then it's a victimless crime."
Between TWO consenting adults?!?!?
My feeling is that you should purchase a dictionary.
I have to say, I find your "reasoning" on the issue of bigamy extremely puzzling.
Perhaps we should start on a different tack. Allow me to begin.
If you perverts succeed in your diabolical plans to create "homosexual marriage", what are your arguments against necrophilia going to be? Or do you support necrophilia also?
I think many conservatives are literally afraid to vote for gay rights because they feel that they would be betraying their party. I think most of the conservatives hide behind religious arguments, and most aren't THAT religious as to warrant using them as ammunition. If only they could vote purely their conscience, things could be different. Gay equality will happen, my friend. There will come a time when people will look back at this time and say, "What was all the hubbub about?"
Have homosexuals been denied the right to vote? Have homosexuals been denied the right to speak? Have homosexuals been denied the right to own a firearm? Have homosexuals been denied the right to choose their own religion?
I'm very curious, because I haven't heard of any rights that have been denied to homosexuals.
@dbehsman Same sex couples who are prohibited from marrying are excluded from legal benefits specifically tied to legally recognized marriage: for example, access to a spouse's medical, life and disability insurance; hospital visitation and medical decision-making privileges… workers' compensation survivor benefits; spousal benefits under annuity and retirement plans…the right to refuse to testify against one's spouse… Separate but equal isn't equal. That was figured out a while ago.
Any homosexual male can marry any female that he so chooses (providing of course that the woman agrees). Likewise, any homosexual female can marry any male that she chooses (providing of course that the man agrees). So how have homosexuals been denied the right to marry?
@dbehsman In America we are granted, as an unalienable right, the right to pursue our happiness. If we tell gay people that the only people they can marry are those they aren't attracted to or can't love romantically, then we are violating this right.
So in other words, you admit that I'm correct in that the homosexual lobby is lying and trying to achieve their goals through fraud.
If you succeed in your diabolical plans to create "homosexual marriage", what are your arguments against bigamy going to be? Or do you support bigamy also?
@alabader741 - Obama's race has nothing to do with it. I am supporting a Black Republican James Jones for Congress in PA 8th District. Look it up. He has several videos on You Tube.
JimmyFormerMarine...the reason many democrats regret voting for Obama is because he is not liberal enough not for the reasons you would think. Still few people don't regret it since its better then having McCain and Palin running the country
its pretty fucked that crazy ass famous people can adopt babies & get married, but 2 people man or woman can't? OUTRAGEOUS! Oh, I'm a straight female.
Just wondered. Most people I know that voted for Obama are now regretting it. Even gays are starting to regret it. Guess Oprah's endorsement wasn't enough.
@JimmyFormerMarine hussein is his middle name why are you saying hussein obama.. just sounds like your passively trying to imply he's a terrorist when you do that.
I'm sorry to say I'm becoming more apprehensive and cynical about "homo-friendly" straights. I had a heterosexual friend of four years turn on me recently. I would never have believed he would say the things he said to me if I hadn't heard it myself.
I think it depends on the friend. But there are some who are well meaning but have homophobia so culturally ingrained that it can surface. I've experienced it.
Thanks for the reply. I think the idea that sexual satisfaction derived from penetration of a woman (missionary position) is somehow 'manly, good and wholesome', and that deviations from this are degenerate or at best experimental (even when done with members of the opposite sex) is just assumed to be true. As though there is a Platonic form "out there" for the good kind of sex. I say this because I know a lot of atheist homophobes. Religion is just one way of validating faulty intuition.
I happen to be straight as well as being someone that cannot tolerate the injustice of ignorant bigotry in any form against anyone.
I just see people as equal human beings regardless of their demographics. I personally take offense to your soft bigotry against someone JUST because they are heterosexual.
While I do empathize with your pain at having a friend stab you in the back - Please don't generalize and project your anger at entire groups based on your bad experience.
I have been a long supporter of equal rights for everyone. And I continue to suffer from personal discrimination in my career because of my support for "gay rights".
Please open your mind a little more and stop judging people based on their sexual orientation.
Quit your nauseating p.c. moralizing. Well all make decisions probabilistically, and anyone who says they do not is a liar. If a straight knows I'm gay and says "I'm okay with gays," I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. If he doesn't (to my knowledge) know I'm gay, it's more credible.
I'll suggest to you the possibility that your ex friend didn't turn against you because you are gay, but because you're an unpleasant and unlikeable bigot.
I suggest you've gotten away far too long with throwing the word "bigot" around and having people immediately back down. I doubt if you could come up with an operational definition of the word; no doubt a bigot in your view would be anyone who doesn't agree with you on matters of race or sexual orientation.
Superb video. You know, it's sad that this even needs to be explained in 2009, but I'm glad you did. Few can do it better. You must be so tired of listening to all the bullshit that goes around on the web.
very very well said, from a straight guy, infact, i think your message applies to anything that people do that doesnt harm a third party. as they say life is a dancefloor and we can do what we want aslong as we dont step on anyones toes.
This whole gay marriage issue shouldn't even be an issue. The country has bigger problems first of all, second of all, the gov shouldn't be involved in the marriage business AT ALL. ALL couples should be recognized as CIVIL UNIONS under the law! Marriage is a religious thing and gives NO RIGHTS under the law. If a religion wants to recognize a civil union (hetro or homo) as a marriage then they can or not. I support equality for all, and the gov shouldn't be in our bedrooms to begin with.
Its funny how I used to hate gays so much as a kid seriously I was sickened if a gay guy touched me and it was very very foolish..the funny thing about it is I found out I'm attracted to men and women later in life and I have learned to accept myself and others knowing no one chooses their sexual attraction. I am not for pedophilia no but some other sexual attractions or interests I do think are just fine when others think its sick and wrong. Anyway I'm sorry for my past actions...
Hah. I remember when I was a young teen. I am gay, and had serious issues with girls. They made me sick. I have appologized to some of them for my asshole behaviour as well. ;)
I don't think we should feel a need for appologizing for our childhoods really. We where children, end of story.
Pedophilia is different because children do not have the right to give consent. As such an adult cannot gain legal sexual relathionship, and cannot ask to be approved without changing the legal age of consent
Amen! Everyone of us deserves equal protection under the law. It's a basic human right.
And you are absolutely right. You can wait until the end of time & some people will still be homophobic bigots. And that is their right as long as they just leave us alone.
I could do without the swear words, though. I get it, you were trying to make a point. I struggle with keeping a clean mouth myself.
if we allow men to marry men, then soon we'll allow people to rape and kill toddlers in the streets and rip featuses out of womens abdomen with rusty pliers and snort cocaine off the fetuses genitalia!
You argue against Men marrying Men what about women marrying women? Do you object to that as well? How does allowing gay marriage mean that violent crimes will be now allowed?
All of the ignorant comments aside. What is so magical about the word "Marriage" that same sex couples are not allowed to use it. I am able to get past the ridiculous comments you mentioned in your video, but I cant seem to grasp this concept. If this all comes from the church, then shouldnt people who get married outside of the church have to call their marriage a civil union? Not that I really care what they call it, it should just be the same for everyone. We are all equal!
The fear of some ignorant people is that if you call it marriage somehow churches will be forced to perform same sex ceremonies. It is the same slippery-slopy-slimy logic that leads people to think that end of life counseling means death panels.
The irony is that lots of the same people marching about talking about liberty and individualism seem to have a blind spot when it comes to people who are different from them.
yeah it sux... our freedoms are spread out unintelligibly, we have the right to act on anything that we find offensive, aka; anything, but some people don't have the right to find someones accusations offensive... America seems to side with dicking the minority around, its a load of bullshit, you've got it right
I commented on his vid that I understand his point and in an ideal world acceptance and approval are certainly good, but they are not relevant to the issue of our rights. We need our inalienable rights legally recognized and then time will change hearts and minds. It will take generations. But I take his point well.
You are so right. Everyone should command the same rights as all those around them. I can't believe the ignorant commenters who believe that gay people will sexually abuse children. If anything, it seems much more prevalent among the heterosexual community as often this occurs between family members. I know there are evil sadists from both sides, but generally speaking, most people would not dream of doing this.
The point about family members is important. I remember a few months ago George Will said, regarding some program to educate kids to avoid abuse, all we used to have to do is teach them not to talk to strangers. Amazing ignorance on his part. Something like 80% of child abuse is by someone known to the family.
Facts have never gotten in the way of a good opinion, though, have they?
I'm a libertarian, so I don't mind if gays are together and raise children. Marriage has a specific definition though, so it may need to be called something else. But I do want to make one point, gays have the same rights as straights, but they just are not satisfied with their right to marry an adult of the opposite sex. All citizens have the same rights. But like I said, I'm a libertarian, I don't care what you do.
I don't agree with your wording. The right that I see heterosexuals have is the right to marry someone of their own choosing, which gay people do not have. It is a meaningless red herring to say that gays can marry someone of the opposite sex.
Marriage has the definition that the law gives it. The law must be applied equal. Equal is equal. It has long been decided that separate is not equal.
My goal isn't to convince you, I want to hear your point of view. I think that a gay couple should be allowed to stay together and have the legal rights that hetero couples have, it covers everyone's pursuit of happiness. I think you understood what my point on rights so I won't revisit that. However should it include incest? I struggle with the obvious libertarian answer there. Why shouldn't they get the same rights if they practice safe sex? I can't think of a reason why not.
Now I'd like to address what you said about "definition". Marriage has existed for at least as long as human history has existed, who are we to change the definition? Like I said before, give gay couples the same rights but call it something else. It's not inferior, but it's clearly different. I won't call it a defect either but it's just not the same. The love is the same but the union itself is different. I think your comment on "separate but equal" is misplaced, people aren't separated.
The definitions and legal parameters of marriage have changed often. Polygamy was legal in the US until 1862. Women used to be property, often sold to husbands in pre-arranged marriages. Women had no rights in the marriage, they were owned by their husbands. Blacks and whites were forbidden to marry in many states until Loving v. Virginia in 1967. We have been re-defining marriage since it has been in existence. If it is the same thing what is the logic of calling it something else?
This is true, and the fact that one can get "remarried" may be contradictory. But marriage has always involved the union of a opposite genders regardless of the culture. It's the common denominator. Even if the State stopped calling unions between men and women marriage but didn't change the legal aspects I wouldn't care. I don't need the State to call it a marriage as long a the details don't change, I'll just leave that to my family and the church that "marries" me to my future bride.
It is not the church that marries a couple, it is the state, By the power of (your state) I now pronounce you husband and wife ( legally married.) If the state did not marry you, you would have no legal rights. It is the legal rights that are conferred by a marriage ceremony and that is what gays want
So give the same rights and call it something else. Like I said, I don't care what they call my future hetero marriage as long as the rights are there. I want the people who are close to me to call it a marriage but I don't care about the wording of the state.
No matter what word is used to describe gay marriage some will still not give them the same rights as a heterosexual marriage. Why not use marriage to describe these unions and eliminate the confusion as to what rights are given? How does using the word marriage hurt yours? Marriage should be the union of 2 people who love each other.
That's not the definition of it, look back as far as you want in history and you can see that. You're right about one thing, calling it something else leaves opening to restrict rights. Perhaps a clause stating that domestic partnerships must without exception be given the same rights as marriages.
What is so special about the word marriage? Who wrote the definition of the word? Im sure people were getting married long before the word was defined.
As far back as you can go, every culture has had a specific word that we translate as "marriage" that represents members of the opposite sex coming together. It's not a matter or superiority or even love, there is a clear difference. Give gays the rights that they are asking for, but if you call it marriage it would be like calling something a funeral when nobody died.
Me and my girl both agree that gay marriage needs to happen. Personally, I've never seen why so many make a big deal of it.
One of the pivotal arguments that can make gay marriage happen in the long run, is the argument that people who worship Satan can marry. If so many wanna keep gay marriage out for the "sin" aspect, then they must want to outlaw marriage between worshippers of Satan.
They make a big deal out of fear. In places where gay marriage has been recognized by the law, the world has gone on without a hitch. Change will come, but it's just so damn slow.
unfortunately, a decision as big as this, has to come from the masses, not from the preseident. People need to change their ideals and accept gay marriage as a whole. I support gays!
True, and with how the masses are standing against the president as of late, that DOES seem a plausible answer to the problem.
Still, if the masses are voting in bigots like Obama Bin Laden (who hates black people, white people, AND gay people), and former kkk member Robert Byrd, I can't imagine any real social progression, not until we start kicking the bigots out of office.
I don't understand why my comment was so negatively viewed? I wasn't been sarcastic, i actually do very much support gay rights and gay marriage, I don't understand why I'm being attacked?
Hell yeah! There is no justifiable reason to deny any group of American citizens the same basic rights and freedoms that the majority enjoys. This is one straight male for gay rights!
Thank you very much for articulating this point so well. We need to demand our rights. :) I've never heard a valid argument against two consenting adults getting married and don't think I ever will. namaste
By the way, I'm serious about "always" kind. Even when you say FU to your haters, it doesn't come across as mean. It just comes across as "exhausted" from the constant opposition. I just wanted to clarifiy my first comment, lest you think I was being sarcastic or something. Sometimes these comments are hard to hear the correct tone. I hope you read it the way I meant it. You're the best, Tim.
No problem. I appreciate your comment and I understand what you mean. I say Fuck You, but it is just attitude. I don't hate anyone, but I do get frustrated.
I've said this before but the fact that this is still an issue is backward to say the least. People are people. They are either good people or bad people. What their sexual orientation has nothing to do with anything. When this topic is discussed, I always feel like I went back in time about 60 years. It's like comparing socialized healthcare to cold war communism.
And on another note, I've had an e-mail friend in California for more than 10 years. I know that she's religious and right leaning, but fine. She recently told me, though, that she voted to Proposition 8. Un-fucking-believable. I'm married (I'm Canadian) and I found it absolutely galling that she would vote to take away someone's rights. She wrote and said something like "I was worried how same sex marriage would affect the children." As if it would!!! Such ignorance. End of friendship.
Good video! A couple of points. I know that you were joking, but don't knock the Shriners. I know they're weird with their fezes and little cars, but they do outstanding work with burn victims.
As for not caring if someone "approves" of you or not, I'm with you 100%. I couldn't agree more. It's so patronizing. Spare me their doling out their acceptence like it's some precious gift.
Great video, FB. I think yours is the right attitude on this question. There's a fundamental assumption on the part of the anti-marriage clowns that gays are seeking their approval. Moreover, the clowns take sadistic pride in not granting it. It's time they understand that their approval is of no consequence.
Also, your videos provide me, who's straight, another point of reference for perspective on gay issues, which is always valuable. And I'm sure that applies to other heteros here as well.
No, it isn't ignorant.... there is always has been a progression of thinking (progression doesn't not necessarily connotate 'correctness', just current trend). Every 'voice', right or wrong, wants their 'rights'... once one gets heard and given their 'rights', then the next loudest group takes the soap-box.
It isn't ignorant, just empirical and historical fact.
I mean, if a 14-year-old boy loves a 45 year old, they should have their rights too. It's all love, isn't it?
Why is paedophilia an illness? There is no reason whatsoever to say that.
(Active)Paedophilia is unacceptable in our society because it harms children. That doesn't mean that the attraction to children qualifies as an illness.
You may have a point. I am not concerned with people's feelings, but their actions. What people feel is their business, and since I am not a pedophile I cannot assess that. My comment was an opinion based on my personal revulsion.
I've maintained for decades that we were wasting our energy on begging for approval and the epitome of that is asking for our rights under "protective status" laws.
We don't need anyone's approval and our rights already exist under the US Constitution and need to be asserted by any means, preferably legally, to gain equality.
I don't care what people think either any more, they can like it or not, but don't screw with me.
I'm not a prominent tuber so you wouldn't remember this but we got into a heated comment exchange about that a long time ago. I understand more now why those initiatives were/are supported. I'm also hopefully seeing a progression more towards the attitude you've expressed well here.
Kudos, To affiliate NAMBLA within the norms of the GAY lifestyle, is about as ludicrous as including the Fred Phelps's of the world in mainstream Christianity. But they inevitably do. It seams to have become an insidious norm in life, that when you oppose something, instead of mounting a valuable fact filled insightful campaign, you find the most abhorrent element of a fringe faction, and parade it as a prima facie of sorts. This is true of everything nowadays, and a sad devolution too.
Brilliant video! I do however care what people think, because their ignorance is what allows this moronic legislation to go on against the constitution.
I agree, or rather I agree that their likes or dislikes SHOULD NOT be relevant to others rights. The problem is that they are relevant because they are getting away with them being relevant. Prop 8, for example, should not have even got to the point where it could be voted on, any more than anything else that is unconstitutional should reach that point.
As I replied to another, that is an offhand opinion, not a clinical statement. The feelings someone has are not so important to me as the actions. I believe that most sex between adults and children is predatory and coercive, especially young children. Perhaps not so with some teenagers, but I think the protection of children, who aren incapable of informed consent, is paramount.
More Catholic priests have been charged with child sexual abuse than there are, or were, NAMBLA members. Maybe we should deny Catholics their rights too.
I thought nambla was just a joke on southpark ahahaha
ImJustSlime 1 month ago
So, what are you saying? that it is okay for a 40 year old man to have sex with a child of 10 - 14 years old? thats sick. and you should burn.
TheJPTKTalk 5 months ago
@TheJPTKTalk No I'm not saying that and if you got that from this video you didn't listen.
FantasticBabblings 5 months ago
@TheJPTKTalk You are a willfully ignorant person.
livinlovinlife1 3 months ago
Gay rights doesn't belong on the political battlefield; the matter shouldn't be voted on in the same way people would vote a statue be put up in a park, or whatever.
I respect your right to exist as an autonomous being.
Anima14 10 months ago
Shut up Fatty!.
emerickmage 1 year ago
@emerickmage Shut the fuck up dipshit
Powderwombat 6 months ago
No wonder kids kill themselves because they're gay. I wonder if they too realize that it's not just bullying they will recieve as children but as adults too and that they seemingly can't win. It's truly sad. Subbed to you :)
ikutsu2001 1 year ago
@ikutsu2001 Thanks for the sub. Keep fighting the good fight.
FantasticBabblings 1 year ago
That was not a rant, it was fact.
TheSH1N1GAM1 1 year ago 2
Looks like you're stuck on bigamy. Bigamy is abused and is often found in societies where female abuse is rampant. This is one of the reasons why it's illegal because of this correlation. Some like to look at religion to condemn it, or religion to support it. Depends on the religion. My feelings on bigamy in general are: If it could be practiced without abuse where no manipulation or oppression would result between two consenting adults, then it's a victimless crime. I couldn't care less.
palui 1 year ago
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@palui
I'm not stuck on bigamy. YOU'VE been stuck avoiding the question.
"My feelings on bigamy in general are: If it could be practiced without abuse where no manipulation or oppression would result between two consenting adults, then it's a victimless crime."
Between TWO consenting adults?!?!?
My feeling is that you should purchase a dictionary.
dbehsman 1 year ago
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@palui
I have to say, I find your "reasoning" on the issue of bigamy extremely puzzling.
Perhaps we should start on a different tack. Allow me to begin.
If you perverts succeed in your diabolical plans to create "homosexual marriage", what are your arguments against necrophilia going to be? Or do you support necrophilia also?
dbehsman 1 year ago
I think many conservatives are literally afraid to vote for gay rights because they feel that they would be betraying their party. I think most of the conservatives hide behind religious arguments, and most aren't THAT religious as to warrant using them as ammunition. If only they could vote purely their conscience, things could be different. Gay equality will happen, my friend. There will come a time when people will look back at this time and say, "What was all the hubbub about?"
palui 1 year ago
@palui
What rights have been denied to homosexuals?
Have homosexuals been denied the right to vote? Have homosexuals been denied the right to speak? Have homosexuals been denied the right to own a firearm? Have homosexuals been denied the right to choose their own religion?
I'm very curious, because I haven't heard of any rights that have been denied to homosexuals.
dbehsman 1 year ago
@dbehsman Same sex couples who are prohibited from marrying are excluded from legal benefits specifically tied to legally recognized marriage: for example, access to a spouse's medical, life and disability insurance; hospital visitation and medical decision-making privileges… workers' compensation survivor benefits; spousal benefits under annuity and retirement plans…the right to refuse to testify against one's spouse… Separate but equal isn't equal. That was figured out a while ago.
palui 1 year ago
@palui
Any homosexual male can marry any female that he so chooses (providing of course that the woman agrees). Likewise, any homosexual female can marry any male that she chooses (providing of course that the man agrees). So how have homosexuals been denied the right to marry?
dbehsman 1 year ago
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palui 1 year ago
@dbehsman In America we are granted, as an unalienable right, the right to pursue our happiness. If we tell gay people that the only people they can marry are those they aren't attracted to or can't love romantically, then we are violating this right.
palui 1 year ago
@palui
I suppose then that you would say the same thing about bigamists.
The fact of the matter is that you want to change the definition of marriage to mean something that it has never meant in recorded human history.
dbehsman 1 year ago
@dbehsman Change is inevitable. And in this case, the tide is already moving.
palui 1 year ago
@palui
So in other words, you admit that I'm correct in that the homosexual lobby is lying and trying to achieve their goals through fraud.
If you succeed in your diabolical plans to create "homosexual marriage", what are your arguments against bigamy going to be? Or do you support bigamy also?
dbehsman 1 year ago
well said sir, well said.
gandalph54 1 year ago
@alabader741 - Obama's race has nothing to do with it. I am supporting a Black Republican James Jones for Congress in PA 8th District. Look it up. He has several videos on You Tube.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
i am homophobic and i can't help it, but this is not a reason to hate each other.
and i am not superior,so you are right ,you do't need my approval.
alabader741 1 year ago
It may be the land of the brave, but sure as shit aint the land of the free!! It never will be until we all have equal rights!!
thenudo 1 year ago
One of the best videos on the gay topic i have seen.New fan and i'm subbing.
itspunkieboy 1 year ago
you tell it like it is! this is a great video:)
Janellielove 1 year ago
JimmyFormerMarine...the reason many democrats regret voting for Obama is because he is not liberal enough not for the reasons you would think. Still few people don't regret it since its better then having McCain and Palin running the country
MusicJew158 1 year ago
His middle name is HUSSEIN, the name given him to honor a mass murderer.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine judging people by their father's name ?why don't you say he is black too? you are fucking racist retard.
alabader741 1 year ago
its pretty fucked that crazy ass famous people can adopt babies & get married, but 2 people man or woman can't? OUTRAGEOUS! Oh, I'm a straight female.
treyanthonymiller 2 years ago
Just wondered. Most people I know that voted for Obama are now regretting it. Even gays are starting to regret it. Guess Oprah's endorsement wasn't enough.
JimmyFormerMarine 2 years ago
Did you vote for Hussein Obama?
JimmyFormerMarine 2 years ago
@JimmyFormerMarine Does it matter? It's a personal choice.
justmine4me 2 years ago
@JimmyFormerMarine hussein is his middle name why are you saying hussein obama.. just sounds like your passively trying to imply he's a terrorist when you do that.
jshnaidz245 2 years ago
I'm sorry to say I'm becoming more apprehensive and cynical about "homo-friendly" straights. I had a heterosexual friend of four years turn on me recently. I would never have believed he would say the things he said to me if I hadn't heard it myself.
eswyatt 2 years ago
I think it depends on the friend. But there are some who are well meaning but have homophobia so culturally ingrained that it can surface. I've experienced it.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply. I think the idea that sexual satisfaction derived from penetration of a woman (missionary position) is somehow 'manly, good and wholesome', and that deviations from this are degenerate or at best experimental (even when done with members of the opposite sex) is just assumed to be true. As though there is a Platonic form "out there" for the good kind of sex. I say this because I know a lot of atheist homophobes. Religion is just one way of validating faulty intuition.
eswyatt 2 years ago
@ eswyatt
I happen to be straight as well as being someone that cannot tolerate the injustice of ignorant bigotry in any form against anyone.
I just see people as equal human beings regardless of their demographics. I personally take offense to your soft bigotry against someone JUST because they are heterosexual.
While I do empathize with your pain at having a friend stab you in the back - Please don't generalize and project your anger at entire groups based on your bad experience.
InternalCompass 2 years ago
@ eswyatt (part 2)
I have been a long supporter of equal rights for everyone. And I continue to suffer from personal discrimination in my career because of my support for "gay rights".
Please open your mind a little more and stop judging people based on their sexual orientation.
InternalCompass 2 years ago
Quit your nauseating p.c. moralizing. Well all make decisions probabilistically, and anyone who says they do not is a liar. If a straight knows I'm gay and says "I'm okay with gays," I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. If he doesn't (to my knowledge) know I'm gay, it's more credible.
eswyatt 2 years ago
@ eswyatt
Actually, I'm quite anti "p.c."
I'll suggest to you the possibility that your ex friend didn't turn against you because you are gay, but because you're an unpleasant and unlikeable bigot.
InternalCompass 2 years ago
I suggest you've gotten away far too long with throwing the word "bigot" around and having people immediately back down. I doubt if you could come up with an operational definition of the word; no doubt a bigot in your view would be anyone who doesn't agree with you on matters of race or sexual orientation.
eswyatt 2 years ago
Superb video. You know, it's sad that this even needs to be explained in 2009, but I'm glad you did. Few can do it better. You must be so tired of listening to all the bullshit that goes around on the web.
johnreagannumber1 2 years ago
very very well said, from a straight guy, infact, i think your message applies to anything that people do that doesnt harm a third party. as they say life is a dancefloor and we can do what we want aslong as we dont step on anyones toes.
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 years ago
This whole gay marriage issue shouldn't even be an issue. The country has bigger problems first of all, second of all, the gov shouldn't be involved in the marriage business AT ALL. ALL couples should be recognized as CIVIL UNIONS under the law! Marriage is a religious thing and gives NO RIGHTS under the law. If a religion wants to recognize a civil union (hetro or homo) as a marriage then they can or not. I support equality for all, and the gov shouldn't be in our bedrooms to begin with.
christo930 2 years ago 2
You can sue a child in a civil court. I have personally sued a minor in a small claims court and won.
christo930 2 years ago
Its funny how I used to hate gays so much as a kid seriously I was sickened if a gay guy touched me and it was very very foolish..the funny thing about it is I found out I'm attracted to men and women later in life and I have learned to accept myself and others knowing no one chooses their sexual attraction. I am not for pedophilia no but some other sexual attractions or interests I do think are just fine when others think its sick and wrong. Anyway I'm sorry for my past actions...
WarMasterX6 2 years ago
Hah. I remember when I was a young teen. I am gay, and had serious issues with girls. They made me sick. I have appologized to some of them for my asshole behaviour as well. ;)
I don't think we should feel a need for appologizing for our childhoods really. We where children, end of story.
Pedophilia is different because children do not have the right to give consent. As such an adult cannot gain legal sexual relathionship, and cannot ask to be approved without changing the legal age of consent
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
Amen! Everyone of us deserves equal protection under the law. It's a basic human right.
And you are absolutely right. You can wait until the end of time & some people will still be homophobic bigots. And that is their right as long as they just leave us alone.
I could do without the swear words, though. I get it, you were trying to make a point. I struggle with keeping a clean mouth myself.
pop0it0rocket 2 years ago
Agreed. Some will argue that being gay is not the same, but I say fuck 'em.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
What do people have against the National Association of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes
roddack 2 years ago 2
I coulda been a contender...
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Well said.
samsarajade 2 years ago
Thank you, dear.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
mikma was here
mikma 2 years ago
Hi Mikma.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
This subject just pisses me right off. I want to scream at these bigoted asshats. I REALLY want to throttle them! Arrggggh!
I concur, Phil: Fuck 'em. Twice.
ShortbusMooner 2 years ago
They might enjoy that :)
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Most eloquently spoken...
fehquig 2 years ago
Thanks.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
if we allow men to marry men, then soon we'll allow people to rape and kill toddlers in the streets and rip featuses out of womens abdomen with rusty pliers and snort cocaine off the fetuses genitalia!
IoIocaust 2 years ago
You've been reading my email!
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Wow! I really hope your are being sarcastic, but I can't tell now days.
BlakRonin 2 years ago
You argue against Men marrying Men what about women marrying women? Do you object to that as well? How does allowing gay marriage mean that violent crimes will be now allowed?
TheKilgoretrout 2 years ago
Bravo! <3
KyotoHimura 2 years ago
Thanks you kindly.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
All of the ignorant comments aside. What is so magical about the word "Marriage" that same sex couples are not allowed to use it. I am able to get past the ridiculous comments you mentioned in your video, but I cant seem to grasp this concept. If this all comes from the church, then shouldnt people who get married outside of the church have to call their marriage a civil union? Not that I really care what they call it, it should just be the same for everyone. We are all equal!
BlakRonin 2 years ago
The fear of some ignorant people is that if you call it marriage somehow churches will be forced to perform same sex ceremonies. It is the same slippery-slopy-slimy logic that leads people to think that end of life counseling means death panels.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Well said Phil.
paul1967uk 2 years ago
Thanks Paul. Good to see you. I hope you are well.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
well said!!!! <3
thebigfatlamp 2 years ago
Thanks Lampy. You were with me when I got the hat :)
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
I agree whole heartedly and I wish and hope for the closest thing to true equality to come soon... its all so ignorant... let a man be an individual.
bendingunit113 2 years ago
The irony is that lots of the same people marching about talking about liberty and individualism seem to have a blind spot when it comes to people who are different from them.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
yeah it sux... our freedoms are spread out unintelligibly, we have the right to act on anything that we find offensive, aka; anything, but some people don't have the right to find someones accusations offensive... America seems to side with dicking the minority around, its a load of bullshit, you've got it right
bendingunit113 2 years ago
Well said sir, I support you. What did you think of PaulsEgo's reply if you saw it?
bcosten2007 2 years ago
I commented on his vid that I understand his point and in an ideal world acceptance and approval are certainly good, but they are not relevant to the issue of our rights. We need our inalienable rights legally recognized and then time will change hearts and minds. It will take generations. But I take his point well.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
You are so right. Everyone should command the same rights as all those around them. I can't believe the ignorant commenters who believe that gay people will sexually abuse children. If anything, it seems much more prevalent among the heterosexual community as often this occurs between family members. I know there are evil sadists from both sides, but generally speaking, most people would not dream of doing this.
I applaud you for being so forthright here.
TamHickey67 2 years ago
The point about family members is important. I remember a few months ago George Will said, regarding some program to educate kids to avoid abuse, all we used to have to do is teach them not to talk to strangers. Amazing ignorance on his part. Something like 80% of child abuse is by someone known to the family.
Facts have never gotten in the way of a good opinion, though, have they?
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
I'm a libertarian, so I don't mind if gays are together and raise children. Marriage has a specific definition though, so it may need to be called something else. But I do want to make one point, gays have the same rights as straights, but they just are not satisfied with their right to marry an adult of the opposite sex. All citizens have the same rights. But like I said, I'm a libertarian, I don't care what you do.
hurryingfred 2 years ago
I don't agree with your wording. The right that I see heterosexuals have is the right to marry someone of their own choosing, which gay people do not have. It is a meaningless red herring to say that gays can marry someone of the opposite sex.
Marriage has the definition that the law gives it. The law must be applied equal. Equal is equal. It has long been decided that separate is not equal.
Your point fails to convince me.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
My goal isn't to convince you, I want to hear your point of view. I think that a gay couple should be allowed to stay together and have the legal rights that hetero couples have, it covers everyone's pursuit of happiness. I think you understood what my point on rights so I won't revisit that. However should it include incest? I struggle with the obvious libertarian answer there. Why shouldn't they get the same rights if they practice safe sex? I can't think of a reason why not.
hurryingfred 2 years ago
Now I'd like to address what you said about "definition". Marriage has existed for at least as long as human history has existed, who are we to change the definition? Like I said before, give gay couples the same rights but call it something else. It's not inferior, but it's clearly different. I won't call it a defect either but it's just not the same. The love is the same but the union itself is different. I think your comment on "separate but equal" is misplaced, people aren't separated.
hurryingfred 2 years ago
The definitions and legal parameters of marriage have changed often. Polygamy was legal in the US until 1862. Women used to be property, often sold to husbands in pre-arranged marriages. Women had no rights in the marriage, they were owned by their husbands. Blacks and whites were forbidden to marry in many states until Loving v. Virginia in 1967. We have been re-defining marriage since it has been in existence. If it is the same thing what is the logic of calling it something else?
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
This is true, and the fact that one can get "remarried" may be contradictory. But marriage has always involved the union of a opposite genders regardless of the culture. It's the common denominator. Even if the State stopped calling unions between men and women marriage but didn't change the legal aspects I wouldn't care. I don't need the State to call it a marriage as long a the details don't change, I'll just leave that to my family and the church that "marries" me to my future bride.
hurryingfred 2 years ago
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TheKilgoretrout 2 years ago
It is not the church that marries a couple, it is the state, By the power of (your state) I now pronounce you husband and wife ( legally married.) If the state did not marry you, you would have no legal rights. It is the legal rights that are conferred by a marriage ceremony and that is what gays want
TheKilgoretrout 2 years ago
So give the same rights and call it something else. Like I said, I don't care what they call my future hetero marriage as long as the rights are there. I want the people who are close to me to call it a marriage but I don't care about the wording of the state.
hurryingfred 2 years ago
No matter what word is used to describe gay marriage some will still not give them the same rights as a heterosexual marriage. Why not use marriage to describe these unions and eliminate the confusion as to what rights are given? How does using the word marriage hurt yours? Marriage should be the union of 2 people who love each other.
TheKilgoretrout 2 years ago
That's not the definition of it, look back as far as you want in history and you can see that. You're right about one thing, calling it something else leaves opening to restrict rights. Perhaps a clause stating that domestic partnerships must without exception be given the same rights as marriages.
hurryingfred 2 years ago
What is so special about the word marriage? Who wrote the definition of the word? Im sure people were getting married long before the word was defined.
BlakRonin 2 years ago 2
As far back as you can go, every culture has had a specific word that we translate as "marriage" that represents members of the opposite sex coming together. It's not a matter or superiority or even love, there is a clear difference. Give gays the rights that they are asking for, but if you call it marriage it would be like calling something a funeral when nobody died.
hurryingfred 2 years ago
Me and my girl both agree that gay marriage needs to happen. Personally, I've never seen why so many make a big deal of it.
One of the pivotal arguments that can make gay marriage happen in the long run, is the argument that people who worship Satan can marry. If so many wanna keep gay marriage out for the "sin" aspect, then they must want to outlaw marriage between worshippers of Satan.
AnarchyBalsac 2 years ago 7
They make a big deal out of fear. In places where gay marriage has been recognized by the law, the world has gone on without a hitch. Change will come, but it's just so damn slow.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
I strongly agree with you Mr. babblings, unfortunately we have a very bigotted president who hates gay people and will never OK Gay Marriage.
EndRacismInAmerica 2 years ago 8
This has been flagged as spam show
unfortunately, a decision as big as this, has to come from the masses, not from the preseident. People need to change their ideals and accept gay marriage as a whole. I support gays!
SwordPlay2 2 years ago
True, and with how the masses are standing against the president as of late, that DOES seem a plausible answer to the problem.
Still, if the masses are voting in bigots like Obama Bin Laden (who hates black people, white people, AND gay people), and former kkk member Robert Byrd, I can't imagine any real social progression, not until we start kicking the bigots out of office.
caslaByhcranA 2 years ago 8
Don't try that again dipshit, or I'll flag bomb your vids too.
ballotstuffer6 2 years ago
I don't understand why my comment was so negatively viewed? I wasn't been sarcastic, i actually do very much support gay rights and gay marriage, I don't understand why I'm being attacked?
SwordPlay2 2 years ago
I heard about this video from Gimmieabreakman, I am glad I did. Well said sir, it is refreshing to hear the truth.
ballinjosh03 2 years ago
Thanks for coming by. Victor has always been very supportive of me.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Hell yeah! There is no justifiable reason to deny any group of American citizens the same basic rights and freedoms that the majority enjoys. This is one straight male for gay rights!
naejimba 2 years ago
Much appreciated!
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Great video man. Well done
Morrinn3 2 years ago
Thanks so much.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
It's rare to see gays/lesbians expressing their anger/discontentment so bluntly. Keep it up. You have a right and a need to express your emotions.
rebukeasitis 2 years ago
Sometimes you just have to cut to the chase and say what you mean.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Thank you very much for articulating this point so well. We need to demand our rights. :) I've never heard a valid argument against two consenting adults getting married and don't think I ever will. namaste
Cloudff7yaoi 2 years ago
I suggest we take the position that we already have these rights and we demand that others recognize them.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
By the way, I'm serious about "always" kind. Even when you say FU to your haters, it doesn't come across as mean. It just comes across as "exhausted" from the constant opposition. I just wanted to clarifiy my first comment, lest you think I was being sarcastic or something. Sometimes these comments are hard to hear the correct tone. I hope you read it the way I meant it. You're the best, Tim.
Parfectionist 2 years ago
No problem. I appreciate your comment and I understand what you mean. I say Fuck You, but it is just attitude. I don't hate anyone, but I do get frustrated.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Bravo! By far, you're still one of my favorite YouTubers, Tim. You're always thought provoking, thoughtful and kind. You should be required viewing.
Parfectionist 2 years ago
I've said this before but the fact that this is still an issue is backward to say the least. People are people. They are either good people or bad people. What their sexual orientation has nothing to do with anything. When this topic is discussed, I always feel like I went back in time about 60 years. It's like comparing socialized healthcare to cold war communism.
Sugartalker 2 years ago
I agree with you completely.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Good video..5stars...equal rights for all
ProtectYourFamily101 2 years ago
subscibed -- nice vid and I agree 110% rex
rextrek 2 years ago
Thanks, Rex.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Amen to that!
lthrdyke6 2 years ago
Right on!
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
great video. america is sooo proud that it 'liberated' racial minorities while remaining utterly bigoted in other areas.
oojamaflipper 2 years ago
It seems so clear to some of us, but so many others have a blind spot on this issue.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
I applaud you, sir. You have made an excellent point and video. No one could have said it better.
Khaosispower 2 years ago
Thank you very much.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
OMG...Well said Phil..well said!
Diggin' the hat :)
Bikermom69 2 years ago
It doesn't show up well in the vid, but the NY is sparkly!
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
And on another note, I've had an e-mail friend in California for more than 10 years. I know that she's religious and right leaning, but fine. She recently told me, though, that she voted to Proposition 8. Un-fucking-believable. I'm married (I'm Canadian) and I found it absolutely galling that she would vote to take away someone's rights. She wrote and said something like "I was worried how same sex marriage would affect the children." As if it would!!! Such ignorance. End of friendship.
RoulinBrooks 2 years ago
Perhaps she should worry more about how "opposite marriage" affects children.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Good video! A couple of points. I know that you were joking, but don't knock the Shriners. I know they're weird with their fezes and little cars, but they do outstanding work with burn victims.
As for not caring if someone "approves" of you or not, I'm with you 100%. I couldn't agree more. It's so patronizing. Spare me their doling out their acceptence like it's some precious gift.
RoulinBrooks 2 years ago
Yes, the Shriners comment was a joke. I recognize the good work they do for children.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
lol this was great. it could'nt of been said better
sixyearproductions 2 years ago
Great video, FB. I think yours is the right attitude on this question. There's a fundamental assumption on the part of the anti-marriage clowns that gays are seeking their approval. Moreover, the clowns take sadistic pride in not granting it. It's time they understand that their approval is of no consequence.
Also, your videos provide me, who's straight, another point of reference for perspective on gay issues, which is always valuable. And I'm sure that applies to other heteros here as well.
Wilberbeest 2 years ago
Yes, I think what people don't get is that the rights already exist. That fact just need to be acknowledged.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
I like the way you think sir.
kakashimufin 2 years ago
Thank you. I like the way you think about how I think :)
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
nothing says 'fuck you' better than ...well.... 'fuck you'
oh gawd...and all of a sudden I want to sing~!
Nobody does it better
Makes me feel sad for the rest
Nobody does it half as good as you
Baby, you're the best
and I mean that xox
LeSaMilano 2 years ago
Thanks Lesley. Here's another ditty:
Nobody fucks you like Sara Lee.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
What is the litmus test making homosexuality NOT a disease and pedophilia a disease?
scorpius319 2 years ago
I won't repeat every thing I said to earlier comments similar to yours, but my main concern is actions. What people feel is up to them.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
No, it isn't ignorant.... there is always has been a progression of thinking (progression doesn't not necessarily connotate 'correctness', just current trend). Every 'voice', right or wrong, wants their 'rights'... once one gets heard and given their 'rights', then the next loudest group takes the soap-box.
It isn't ignorant, just empirical and historical fact.
I mean, if a 14-year-old boy loves a 45 year old, they should have their rights too. It's all love, isn't it?
scorpius319 2 years ago
I second that, "fuck you". :-)
1938superman 2 years ago
Fuck you very very much.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
It's my right to approve of you. so I do. :)
RDJim 2 years ago
And I'm so glad you do :)
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
"...and it[paedophilia]is an illness"
I disagree.
Why is paedophilia an illness? There is no reason whatsoever to say that.
(Active)Paedophilia is unacceptable in our society because it harms children. That doesn't mean that the attraction to children qualifies as an illness.
hypothetisch 2 years ago 2
You may have a point. I am not concerned with people's feelings, but their actions. What people feel is their business, and since I am not a pedophile I cannot assess that. My comment was an opinion based on my personal revulsion.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
You're a smart guy and you made some great points. Subbed.
adamthebaddun 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment and the sub.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Well said my friend...
Cheers... J.
nbwulf 2 years ago
Thanks Jason. Freedom!
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Bravo Phil. As always, very well said!
Love You So Much Sweetie!!
PrincessDiana161 2 years ago
Thanks, Diana. I love you very much.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
You always make me smile!
(((Hugs)))
~Mimi
Lethesunshine 2 years ago
Keep smiling. Hugs back.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
And after watching Ian's latest video...I'm Giggling!
Lethesunshine 2 years ago
Hear Hear!
Great vid.
Skeezy727 2 years ago
Thanks.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
I've maintained for decades that we were wasting our energy on begging for approval and the epitome of that is asking for our rights under "protective status" laws.
We don't need anyone's approval and our rights already exist under the US Constitution and need to be asserted by any means, preferably legally, to gain equality.
I don't care what people think either any more, they can like it or not, but don't screw with me.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
I totally agree! I have felt this way for a while, I just haven't stated it so publicly until now.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Glad to hear that!
I'm not a prominent tuber so you wouldn't remember this but we got into a heated comment exchange about that a long time ago. I understand more now why those initiatives were/are supported. I'm also hopefully seeing a progression more towards the attitude you've expressed well here.
Thanks for replying to my comment.
jrsnyderjr 2 years ago
what you said
dexarouskies 2 years ago
Thanks, Garry.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
You're a good man.
DameEdithDivine 2 years ago
And you are a good woman. Thanks so much for your support.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Phil you are my hero! Love you!
Poeboi 2 years ago
Love you back. Thanks.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Kudos, To affiliate NAMBLA within the norms of the GAY lifestyle, is about as ludicrous as including the Fred Phelps's of the world in mainstream Christianity. But they inevitably do. It seams to have become an insidious norm in life, that when you oppose something, instead of mounting a valuable fact filled insightful campaign, you find the most abhorrent element of a fringe faction, and parade it as a prima facie of sorts. This is true of everything nowadays, and a sad devolution too.
MrVisions 2 years ago
Perhaps we should start tea bagging for gay rights! Oh, yes. Some have been doing that for a long time :)
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Brilliant video! I do however care what people think, because their ignorance is what allows this moronic legislation to go on against the constitution.
trick0171 2 years ago
I would prefer that more people have a positive and affirming opinion, but my point is that their like or dislike is not relevant to our rights.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
I agree, or rather I agree that their likes or dislikes SHOULD NOT be relevant to others rights. The problem is that they are relevant because they are getting away with them being relevant. Prop 8, for example, should not have even got to the point where it could be voted on, any more than anything else that is unconstitutional should reach that point.
trick0171 2 years ago
You tell 'em.
BoomerChick55 2 years ago
To the barricades, Boomer!
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
Good video, but pedophilia is not an illness.
wasserbrunner 2 years ago
As I replied to another, that is an offhand opinion, not a clinical statement. The feelings someone has are not so important to me as the actions. I believe that most sex between adults and children is predatory and coercive, especially young children. Perhaps not so with some teenagers, but I think the protection of children, who aren incapable of informed consent, is paramount.
FantasticBabblings 2 years ago
More Catholic priests have been charged with child sexual abuse than there are, or were, NAMBLA members. Maybe we should deny Catholics their rights too.
strangeparty 2 years ago
I wonder how many priests and former priests are actually members of NAMBLA?