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  • This was a good presentation. It inspired me to get on the ball and witness for Jesus.

  • My sister side "some people bribe the judge but you can't bribe God"

  • If you brake the law you go to jail right so if you break God law were do you go...... you go to hell

  • this is true a lot of people are thief's liars they all broke the ten commandments

  • wow, you are judging alot of people.... i don't think thats up to you....

  • Wasn't Michael Jackson Buddhist?

  • "If you look with lust you commit adultery in the heart."

    Adultery is sex with someone besides your spouse, outside your marriage. It's only possible for married people. I think the word you're looking for, Ray, is fornication.

  • @Ninvus2

    well i think back then when the ten commandments were written fornification was considered under adultery that time 

  • i love you ray!!!

  • Ray, why are you so obsessed with doctrine? at 3:50 you mention "the way that seems right but leads to death" - isn't about doctrine.

    Its about obsession with worldly things. Its centering your life around possessions, money, power, control of other people and vanity of all sorts. These are hollow pursuits that separate you from the Kingdom of Heaven which IS at hand. That is the broad way. Not doctrine or theology, but following shiny, attractive and empty things.

  • His message was true. I just wish he was a little bit more empathetic and tactful in the way he challenges people about sin... perhaps even admitting that he himself has sinned too?

    To me it just comes across too patronising, confrontational and unloving.

  • Jesus is God

  • lol..

    

  • I don't understand. If Jesus died for our sins, then how come every child that is born has already committed a sin?

  • @Theboxer500 Jesus died that we might be forgiven of our sins.When someone is born, they are not born forgiven and they are not born a child of God.They are born in sin, conceived in sin,and dead in sin.Only when God takes that person and saves them do they become a child of God.We stand condemned because of sins.By repenting and trusting in Jesus, we can be freely pardoned for our crimes against the Lord and be justified, or made right with him through His Son

  • @GodLovesUs100 Why does God create us sick and order us to be health on the threat of hell fire? What an immoral doctrine!

  • @kubush well God created our first parents morally perfect.But they fell into sin and it was then inherited.Don't blame God, blame Adam

  • @GodLovesUs100 "morally perfect" would mean that they would never choose to sin. That is by definition perfect. But they did choose to sin and god let it happen. And god made it so that sin can be inherited? How dumb is that? Yeah, blame god.

  • @kubush I never said they had an incapability to sin, i guess it was my bad for calling them that based on your terms...they were perfect in the sense that they had never sinned before.Yes he allowed it so that he would be glorified in bringing a Savior into the world.Sin was inherited in human nature,Adam and Eve would human and made more human.

  • @GodLovesUs100 Then why not just create them morally perfect in their character; then there would be no need for a savior. There would be no sin, no suffering, no hell. Seems like a giant charade for a god that is bored. Let me ask you this: there is no sin in heaven and yet there is free will, why then could not god created heaven on Earth in the first place?

  • @kubush by allowing men to fall into sin, God could then fully reveal himself in the Savior.This is all about him not us

  • @GodLovesUs100 No doubt your god is a self centered god. Egotistical and sadistic. Apparently he allowed people to suffer all sorts of pain and burn in hell for all eternity, all for his pleasure. So he could be revered and worshiped for a shotty attempted at fixing the mess he is ultimately responsible for. Sorry but that is not a God worth worshiping. Thank goodness your god does not exist.

  • @kubush well again, none of this is about us.It's our human pride that gives us an idea that we are lifted up, when really we are not.Again he allowed suffering so that he might be revealed through a Savior, his full attributes might be made known.As the highest and most worthy in the universe, he will glorify that which deserves glory-himself.Everything revolves around him, not you or me.This is something our pride causes us to hate, but Jesus said to humble yourself.

  • @kubush

    well god has given us the gift of free will but we abused that gift and we got lost and became vulnerable to temptation. hell already existed before earth even came into existence. and in heaven when we get there we get the wisdom not to fall into temptation yet still have free will

  • Very good way of preachin the Gospel, i only think that he should lead the people in a prayer of repentance.

    It seems to me that some of those people are ready to be harvest.

  • So is Ray Comfort the only person in heaven?

    I dont get it... He just breaks these people down, and ofcourse nobody is innocent on all of those things. But if you are a Christian, and you accept that Jesus died for your sins does that mean ur good? Why on some of these videos is he still bashing on Christian people who do believe that?

    And besides "Dont trust your goodness", is he trying to get the deathpenalty and slavery back? Cause that is promoted in the bible...

  • If you don't believe in Ray's imaginary friend in the sky, then you will go to his imaginary torture chamber.

  • @uneekalex Not Imaginary, John 3:16 For God so loved the world. that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life..If one does not believe in God, I wonder why they take his name in vain, or use as a cuss word...I hope God opens your eyes..

  • @loveIsraelnow "If one does not believe in God, I wonder why they take his name in vain, or use as a cuss word.." It's a cultural thing. You grow up hearing it, you use it yourself without even thinking about the meaning behind the words. Have you ever said "holy cow"? Many have....do they actually believe in holy cows? No. Hope that answers your question.

  • @uneekalex ...and is your good you will go to his imaginary paradise with unicorn and flying pigs :p

  • "The Bible makes it clear" Well, the Koran also "makes it clear" that if you worship anything other than God himself you will go to hell. The Torah also "makes it clear" that there is no hell and everyone gets to be with God at some point.

  • @hab99rry The Koran says that, when a man commits sin he goes to hell until he has been punished for his sins that he committed. Also you could stay in hell for a very long time all depending on how and what your sins were. How ever the non believers like atheists stay in hell forever. The Koran says, " once a man enters heaven, it is impossible for him to leave. This indicates that we go to hell first, then we go to heaven. We only go to heaven or hell after the judgement day.

  • @Theboxer500 Thats stupid. No offence but Christianity has lots of contradictions so i can't follow it. Islam is the true word of god.

  • @Theboxer500 There's this thing called Divine Predestination or Divine Election. And I pray that all Bible attackers are part of that Divine Election. I used to question the Bible too, but looks like the Holy Spirit had it's way with me.and I thank God for that. It's really something that happens in the heart..I, for one, can't explain it too,how it happened,I just knew that something is changing in my heart.That I there was something missing and I was lead to the truth from there.Thank God.

  • @chillsanne Typical: Vague, fuzzy feelings = God.

  • @Theboxer500 God really is rich in paradoxes.it really takes a humble heart to accept things that God says.For one,the Bible is really an offensive book to someone who has so much pride & doesn't want to be confronted with their faults.and people who really want to be the gods of their live,really will reject the Word of God as much as possible.as it really breaks my heart,I'm thankful of this thing that God imputed in my heart.I had lots of questions,but as I sought and studied,I learned. :)

  • @chillsanne The Bible teaches that we are the sole purpose for God creating the universe and that we are special above all else. That to you is being humble? Sounds like human arrogance to me. You didn't learn; you got indoctrinated into a cult.

  • @Theboxer500 Are you sure?

  • @loveIsraelnow 100% man

  • This dude isn't trying to be the judge of people - God is the judge of people. This dude realizes that. He's only relaying what God said thousands of years ago. Also, the God of the Bible does not condone killing anyone - it is in one of HIS laws: You Shall Not Kill. So, why would God make a law then break it? illogical thinking. Laws were not meant to be broken. Sounds like the due cares enough to speak truth and get peeps to open their eyes and see what's really coming down when we all die.

  • This guy is dumb.

  • FACEPALM!!!

  • god isn't real...its so simple 

  • @Tmathh u will got shudder, when presence of the God.

  • @MexicanBlood90 thats impossible cuz there is no god...

  • He said FORGOTTEN!!!

  • wats up with yoda at 2:01

  • we were their my dads in the video

  • Whether or not you believe in this, and whether or not the message makes sense to the viewer, I think it is REALLY cheap to use Michael Jackson, and his memory to bring your point across.

    But I guess this just shows that not only the media, but also religious organizations views Michael as public property, and feel free to use his name and his story for whatever purpose suits them.

  • @aysha2040 why not.? everyon dies. i loved michael too but now his life is over... on this earth

  • @noooblover This dude isn't the judge of people - God is the judge of people. This dude is simply relaying what God has already said thousands of years ago. Also, the God of the BIBLE does not condone killing anyone - it is in one of HIS commandment: YOU SHALL NOT KILL. So, how can you say God's laws condone killing? Hey, this dude sounds like he cares about people enough to give them the truth and get them to open their eyes and see what's really going to come down when we all die.

  • @jesus4vt

    "Also, the God of the BIBLE does not condone killing anyone".

    Have you even read the bible champ?

  • Right and wrong based on society? So where did society get it's right and wrong definitions from? I'm sure Nazi society thought they were right. I'm sure Mayan society thought they were right in human sacrifice. I'm sure "southern" society thought they were right with slavery. Remove the Bible from the discussion and then ask where murder, stealing, etc come from. Why is it wrong in our "society" to have multiple wives? You think "society" came up with a moral basis of right and wrong? Ha. You'

  • if you say that that makes sense, then what law is over God? What makes the Bible absolutely true? It was compiled by people thousands of years ago as a revolt against Gnostics who also believed in Jesus.

  • Am I a good person? Yes. Am I a good Christian? No, because I am not a Christian.

  • atheist and proud

  • praise Jesus for dying for us!

  • The salvation boat has a ramp, and that is Jesus Christ. You will not get on this boat without the ramp. He loved, He Gave, We Believe, We Live... Don't be left on the pier.

  • I think the real torment will be the eternal separation from God and His family. Like the feeling of running to the edge of the pier to see the boat sailing away beyond the horizon. Gnashing your teeth, what could I have done to be on that boat?

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  • @SuperHeroMan411 Unless your heart is God then you haven't a clue. Are you God? You may have a good feeling where he is but you could never know.

    My feeling is that he is with mohammed in Hell but that's merely an opposing opinion.

    He was "set up" making it look like he was a dope addict....uh huh.. yeah okay. That must have been another deep hearted confirmation there also.

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  • @SuperHeroMan411 Haha, you judged also. You said you "know in your heart that he was with the Lord." That is an opposing JUDGMENT you fool. Soo, opinions send people to hell? LOL!

    Listen to what you are saying twirp! I also never said there were separate heavens.. again.. lol! There's either Heaven or Hell and nothing in between.

    And what overzealous religious comment did I make? lol! You love using many adverbs to describe and exaggerate because you lack real substance.

  • @SuperHeroMan411 Take your own words and apply them to your own actions as you have deceitfully erased then blocked me giving advice that you really could use yourself in a most serious way.

    Get-a-job little kid... and grow up some.

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  • i thought god was love and compaasion.

  • idk if he's singig with the angels

    ummmm hopefully he repented!

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  • Notice how they post vids but don't defend legitimate questions.

  • lol

  • With regards to the vid, I would also like to point out that a loving God would not torment someone for eternity.

    Death maybe. Eternal torment for an imperfect man. No.

    And there is no real Biblical basis for this other than the conjection that Ray and Kirk project to scare people.

  • @5thGeneratn He leaves that up to Satan. No torment for imperfection but the failure to correct under self justification or denial. Failure to repent and or recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior by His resurrection bringing salvation.

    People had better be scared... do you think the opposite of Heaven is a 2nd class heaven? No, it's Hell.... fire and brimstone and things you'd never imagine. You really would not like this place.

  • @ImDiscombobulated Satan suffers like the rest of us "sinners". He is no exception according to your unholy book. Do I think the opposite of heaven is 2nd class heaven? Nope, but who claims that the opposite of "eternal bliss" would be? Maybe you are just making crap up, because nobody said the opposite of a heaven would be another degree of heaven. A God who creates beings to either worship him for eternity or suffer his eternal wrath is a disgusting individual that deserves ZERO worship.

  • @Hollenthon2468 You misread and perceived what I said in error.

    I denounced a 2nd heaven.

    If you read what I replied to it'd even help confirm further that I do not believe that.

    What do you mean as to say that "my unholy book is no exception." What in the Hell are you talking about?

  • @ImDiscombobulated I didn't say you accepted a "2nd class heaven", only questioned you "who thinks the opposite of heaven would be a 2nd class heaven?" since it was you who made that remark. As for the unholy book comment, it was referring to the fact that the character of Satan would supposedly be tormented like the rest of us nonbelievers instead of being some tormentor of the nonbelievers. But if that comment does not apply to you, than I apologize.

  • @5thGeneratn - Try reading Luke 16 and Ezekiel if you really want a good description of 'Sheol', the realm of the dead. This is were those that have reject God are being held until the final judgement .

    When people end up being in the lake of fire for eternity, they will there by their own choice.

  • There's no way to ever convince Ray and Kirk that their methods of 'preaching' smack of the arrogant style of which the Pharisees were condemned by Jesus.

    1. We are no longer under the Mosaic Law although its principles are valid. 2. They ignore Jesus' command to not judge. 3. They certainly do not display the love, empathy and compassion taught by Christ. JMHO

  • @5thGeneratn I dnt knw if ur a Christian but I am, and when I preach the good news I do it in love and compassion. x I love everyone no matter how difficult people are. That's why i've brought so many to the light. Jesus is love, and God is love. That's why He sent esus to Die for sinners so they could have a new life. My life is NEW and I have a new heart, new Spirit. x x NowI have the ability to do right because it's God's righteousness and power at work in me not anything that I did.

  • Ray, that's a terrible analogy.

    You are calling your god a crooked judge.

  • Good One... of course Michael didn't want to die...but it wasn't his choice...nor is it ours...so why not face the notion of death and just deal with it...?

  • i love this guy.. hes my hero

  • You know...this just pisses me off. You turn a remembrance for someone as great a performer as Michael into a way of preaching. I am thankful for Jesus dying for my sins, whatever few sins I may have. But the fact is, we die not because we sin, but because the cells in our bodies only go through division so many times. They can't divide forever, and that's why we grow old, and that's why we die. As for those dying early, that was due to other causes but NOT due to sinning or God. Get a life.

  • @Revan46 Jesus only died for the sins of those who genuinely repent of those sins, and truly accept the sacrifice he made. His vicarious death was a free gift, but one has to genuinely accept a gift before it can be of any use to them. I don't know whether you have done that, but anyone who truly has will become a new creation, they will realise that God is at the centre of everything, and that every minute they live is only lived at the forbearance of He whom they scorn and deny at every turn.

  • @Revan46 Its called biological senesence, and so far scientists have been completely unable to account for why apparently healthy cells should simply no longer be able to divide. The Bible gives a reason, in that, in the aftermath of the Fall, sin introduced death to this world.

  • @kirke27 The Bible is a book written by man with no foundation behind it except what men wanted to make of it. God had no influence and it's why they have idiotic messages about stoning a woman to death, or killing a child if they've been disobedient. And it's you moronic people who follow some scriptures but not others that make you hypocrites. And the fact you spend your time on here preaching instead of being outside & having a life, proves how small you really are.

  • @kirke27 I mean for heavens sake you have almost THREE pages of you arguing with this Hollenthon2468 person (who I must commend for getting you at every turn and winning) while I've been out enjoying life. It's absolutely ridiculous and I think you need to stop preaching, because clearly imposing your thoughts is no way to live and no one will listen to you except those who think like you or who feel like they need to debate your idiocy. Good day sir.

  • @Revan46 Jesus says "Go and witness."

    You need Jesus Christ, you've rebelled him. I ask you, are you in Jesus Christ?

    Have you ever thought of that?

  • @SalvationEternity777 Hehe you amuse me you know that. I'm more with Jesus Christ than you are...Last I checked, Jesus didn't want anyone to hate each other. And I know for you, you're just confused about what it means to be a human being. Your hatred does nothing but cause harm. Just trust in Jesus Christ and God, stop hating on those who are different than you, and just embrace love. I don't want to see you not in heaven because of your hate...

  • @Revan46 Not telling them that Christ is the only way is not love...

    Tolerant of false gospels is not love... It's not loving them because Jesus He's the only way to forgiveness, and all other ways fall short and lead to hell.

    "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (Jn 8:24)

  • @SalvationEternity777 I give up...you guys are just ignorant twats -_- it sickens me.

  • @Revan46 Your comments to me are not 'embracing love'.

    Setting all things aside, I ask you this question: Do you hate the things God hates and love what He loves?

    "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word..." (Jn 14:23a)

  • @SalvationEternity777 Of course I don't like what he doesn't like. Murder, polygamy, rape, theft, cheating. And of course I love what he loves, trust, love, homosexuality, heterosexuality, life.

  • @Revan46 What about lust, sin, lying, disobedience, idolatry (loving things more than God), pornography, masturbation? Unless one indeed hates all sin, his faith is dead.

    And dear friend, do not be deceived, homosexuality is not right in the eyes of God.

    "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals..."

    (1Cor 6:9a)

  • @SalvationEternity777 Um sorry friend, homosexuality is only not right in the eyes of bigoted Christians who follow a book. You aren't following God, you're just following a book written by man. I'm not surprised though that you're another person who thinks the Bible holds all answers. It holds none, that's the problem.

  • @Revan46 It holds no answers?

    Do you profess to be a Christian?

  • @SalvationEternity777 No I'm not a Christian because I don't believe in some stupid book.

  • @Revan46 I see, I thought you professed to be a Christian.

    Nevertheless, it is an important realization to ask yourself: Where will you go when you die?

    And the second important question: How do you know?

  • @SalvationEternity777 I never said I was a Christian.

    I will go to heaven.

    and in answer to your second question: Simple, we have to go somewhere and since there is an afterlife but no Hell, it's kinda obvious we're all going to heaven. The ones who have done wrong however, ie. committed murder, incest, thievery, etc, will obviously have to learn from their consequences some way...but like I said, no Hell, so they'll probably just be given jobs in heaven instead of just enjoying the afterlife.

  • @Revan46 Shouldn't those guys be punished or something?

  • @SalvationEternity777 Yes but other than heaven where are they suppose to go? Like I said, no hell, so not sure where they can go....

  • @Revan46 Heaven is no punishment though. To have everlasting life is eternal joy, not punishment.

    How can God be just if He doesn't truly satisfy the justice of punishment?

  • @SalvationEternity777 See that's the problem with you Christians. You always think people need to be punished for what they've done. But instead you constantly accuse people and place blame. It's just sad to always see this. It's why I just feel sadness for you and people like you.

  • @Revan46 If someone murdered someone you love, is it alright if they are unpunished?

    If it's not, why then should someone that sins against God be unpunished?

  • @SalvationEternity777 They are punished on Earth. Did you never think that Earth is the Hell that's spoken about? People who commit crimes on Earth are punished. But when they get to heaven, all sins are forgiven. Maybe if Christians taught that, they wouldn't be filled with such hatred and about taking the rights of people away.

  • @Revan46 Hitler didn't get punished, there was no trial, he was never found guilty under trial.

    His sins will be forgiven like that? For nothing? My friend, your God is not the true God, you have made your own God. Whatever you want, you have put the characteristics on this god of yours.

    Don't deceive yourself, your god which you've made in your mind cannot save you. Only the God of the Bible can, because He pardons by the blood of His precious Son Jesus Christ. Repent of your sins.

  • @SalvationEternity777 God of the Bible doesn't exist. And Hitler was punished by killing himself. Suicide in itself is a punishment. HE basically punished himself. But seriously, you need to get off your high horse thinking you're holier than thou and know who God is because you don't. No one does. Everyone creates their own God, so for now, who knows what the real God is like. So stop your preaching.

  • @Revan46 Indeed many people create own God. Those false gods don't save, they lead a poor sinner astray and damn him to hell.

    My friend, set aside your own god for just a moment. Do you know the Gospel of Jesus Christ? This is pleading with a lost sinner that he would come to Christ, this is vital.

    Repent of your sins, believe in Christ, that He died for sinners and rose again from the dead to defeat death. Read the gospel of John!

  • @SalvationEternity777 By not allowing "sinful" people to continue existing is punishment enough. Once punishment goes into the realms of tormenting, it doesn't become a just punishment anymore. More like cruel and inhumane punishment. How could it be "joyful" and "happy" in some heaven domain when there would be other people suffering in excruciating misery forever in another domain somewhere else?

  • @Hollenthon2468 It's the same sense of tormenting as being in prison in tormenting. Criminals often feel tormented in prison due to the entire nature and atmosphere of prison. This is common knowledge. This is cruel torture or something? No it's justice, if prison is tormenting, don't do the crime.

    If you don't punish sin, you're unjust. Annihilation is no punishment, it's a slap on the wrist. Sinning against an infinite God calls for infinite punishment.

  • @SalvationEternity777 but in prisons there are no fires to burn you for all eternity or demons raping you over and over

  • @MrCyberdemonic Indeed there aren't.

    It is still tormenting in many measures, but no one's complaining.

    God's punishment for sin likewise is just, because sin is abominable.

  • @SalvationEternity777 1)The Bible clearly depicts hell/lake of fire as being places burning with brimstone and its inhabitants will have no rest and will be engulfed by its flames forever. How does this sound similar to being confined to a jail cell?

    2)Annihilation is a form of punishment (deprivation of existence). But it is neither cruel nor rewarding.

    3)Annihilation can last infinitely, thus equating to an "infinite punishment".

  • I heard positive messages and comments and VIDEOS about Michael are being removed. Kirk, I am very disappointed that you have turned into a judgmental and critical Christian, rather than one who is trying to teach but embraces at the same time. All you are doing is shunning those possibly seeking the right way to go. You were a role model of mine but no more....may God bless you and open your heart and mind in the future....

  • Long live Nazism!:)

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  • Michael Jackson died ,denying Jesus was the Christ and converted to Islam...On judgement day, Michael will stand before the judgement seat of the one who was pierced for his sins and give an account for his idolatry...The books will opened and the whole world will witness the sentence carried out by the Holy lamb of God...Messiah Yeshua...the Truth and the Life...the one Michael rejected. Amen

  • @TrueCore08 LOL where do you get your info from man? Who told you Michael rejected Jesus and became a Muslim? His own words speak for themselves. Peace!

  • just a question: why in the hell would you bring up this topic during Michael Jackson's death? not dissing religion in a way, but isn't that a little inappropriate?

  • Does he say "only forgotten son" at 6:58?

  • Praise the Lord for the work of Way of the Master! May those with negative comments dare to give the Lord a try for just one week, get things of their chest unto Him. I dare you all, but in order to do it, you must have great courage and come clean. Best of everything to you!

  • What a load of hogwash. This is simply another trick the be brainwashed by self righteous religious folk. I love how it goes from asking if people are shocked about the kings death, right into pure loony evangelism. The burden of proof lies with those who make the claim, and the ones making silly claims are the evangelistic Christians...

  • What's the "shocker" lol? I appreciate Mr. Comfort's intentions, but it would appear he's using the wrong dude for his object lesson. Mike was a Christian, loved God and people. Strange how one person can be so misjudged....

  • ha ha

  • Great editing during the Gospel! This is wonderful, but my heart just drops to the floor when they say," I think I will go to heaven" when they clearly don't understand who and what Jesus is and did.

  • good video. i think the illuminati killed mj.

  • you know, since hitler accepted jesus, and did what he did in the name of god, hitler is now in heaven.

  • @Strikesnake1994 Nope. hilter rejected his catholic upbringing which dietizes mary and the saints and teaches worthless idolatry.

  • @boledle so, he just lied in his speeches, and in his meetings, and the "God with us" on the swastica badges. All of the christian aspects of hitler's life and what he did, weren't real? Do you have any evidence?

    and anyway, as long as hitler didn't deny the holy spirit, he's in heaven, because he believed in jesus. the bible says all sins can be forgiven, but mark 3:29 says blasphemy against the holy breath is the exception

  • @Strikesnake1994 He was a murderer who threw children in fires and buried people alive. Ya, I'd say there's a very good chance he lied all the time. Remember that Marx was raised Jewish but ended up regarding religion as merely a way to control people. No, I personally don't have evidence, but the evidence is in what happened. Some 18 million murdered, many of them both Jews and Christians. Makes you wonder what "god" he was referring to on those swastica badges.

  • @boledle indeed, he was a twisted man, but the same is true for the good christians who throw acid at abortion doctors. And as i said, what hitler did, what anybody does, doesn't actually matter acording to the bible, as long as they don't reject the holy breath and the teachings of jesus. hitler didn't reject them, he broke them repeatedly, but that doesn't matter, as long as he still accepted them as god's word. So i go to hell, but hitler is in heaven.

  • @Strikesnake1994

    Logic doesn't work on Christians, dude. Brainwashing is forever.

  • @Strikesnake1994 That's a blatant misrepresentation of everything the Bible says. Judas accepted that Jesus was Lord, in fact he knew that Jesus was Lord. He still chose to betray Him, and is paying for his sins.

  • @kirke27 the bible says that all sins are forgiven through jesus's sacrifice, the exception being denying the holy ghost, so it doesn't matter what you do you go to heaven if you believe in jesus as god.

    Also, it's interesting you should mention Judas, because his death is one of the biggest contradictions in the bible.

  • @Strikesnake1994 You should think before you attempt to use the Bible to win an argument against a Christian. The Gospel is not merely to accept that Jesus is God (a point I demonstrated with Judas - you did nothing to refute). John 14:15, if you love me, you will obey what I command; Matthew 7:15, every tree that does not bear fruit is cut up and thrown into the fire. To be saved, a sinner must repent of their sins (meaning to reject them) and turn towards Jesus, accepting Him as Lord.

  • @kirke27 Matthew 27:1-10, so judas is in heaven, and as long as hitler did a death-bed confession, so is hitler.

    or

    Acts 1:18-19 so judas didn't repent, not sure if he's in heaven.

  • @Strikesnake1994 Neither of those passages really deal with whether Judas repented of his sins before he died so we can't really say.

    In any case, to willingly take your own life is a massive sin and not something I believe would be characteristic of someone born again of the spirit of God.

  • @kirke27 you don't think being so sad about what you've done that you commit suicide shows repentance. and anyway, they're conflicting, which is stupid.

  • @Strikesnake1994 That is not to say that good works and a new attitude to sin contribute to salvation, or even that these come from man, merely that good works naturally and necessarily follow as a result of being declared righteous before God, and upon the indwelling and sanctifying of the Holy Spirit.

  • @kirke27

    So here's a question for ya.

    If a man who either didn't believe or didn't know Jesus was a good person and did many good things for mankind. Whether it be volunteering at a soup kitchen or finding the cure for cancer. Will he go to Hell just because he didn't believe in something that has no evidence?

  • @DarkZerkerX I'll come straight back to you with my own question. What is a good man? How do you know something is good?

    The Bible says there is none righteous, not even one (Rom 3:10), and that even our most righteous works are like filthy rags before a perfectly Holy God. Everything we do is tainted by our sinful nature (even seemingly altruistic acts). If a man were to find the cure for cancer today it would be most likely a major pharmaceutical company interested only in profit.

  • @DarkZerkerX Even acts like volunteering are often motivated by a desire for praise, or because the positive endorphins such acts release make them feel good. Good acts aside, people are responsible for acts and thoughts of unspeakable evil. If you were to take any person on the street today and ask them if they would be willing to sit in a room with their family and friends whilst a video was played which recorded every thought they had ever conceived I'm sure not many would say yes.

  • @DarkZerkerX I would dispute the contention that there is no evidence for Christianity, but even if there were not, people do not go to Hell for non-belief, they go to Hell for their sins. If, theoretically, a man were able to go through his entire life without sinning, then his righteousness might be sufficient to make it into Heaven, but even one sin is enough to seperate man from a Holy God who cannot abide sin in his presence.

  • @DarkZerkerX True altruism, total selfless love - only exists in the actions of Jesus on the cross, when He died to save men who hated him.

  • @kirke27

    Um...no. Jesus died = One Person. Think of it like a man who has a ridiculously huge fine has to pay or he gets the electric chair. Then some guy walks in and pays the fine with his own money. That's one case. He died once meaning one guy walks away free.

    Also, Jesus dead < Every man sinning

    Jesus dead is not equal to eternal torture. So you can't have your cake or eat it. Sorry, maybe Aperture Science could help you out.

  • @DarkZerkerX If Jesus had been nothing more than some man who died then you would be entirely correct. However, Jesus was both fully God and fully man, the hypostatic union of deity and humanity. Being man Jesus was able to take the punishment intended for us, and being God His life is of infinite worth. Jesus' death is not the fine, the fine was the wrath that God poured out upon His Son that was meant for us. And if Portal is your reference point for theological argument you are sadly lacking.

  • @QuisSeperabit60

    So God designs a species knowing that the species will disobey and punish that species he designed for not giving them the ability to choose right from wrong. Then he goes to punish every generation of those species because he's an uptight bastard who can't forgive two members of that species he designed for being ignorant. That's like punishing a child for not knowing how a computer works.

    Oh and, This was a triumph.

    I'm making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS

  • @DarkZerkerX God designs humanity knowing they will disobey but allowing them the autonomy to disobey rather than forcing them into blind obedience. With their inevitable rebellion, mankind, through the Fall, willingly seperates itself from God by willfully choosing sin. Sin not commissioned in ignorance but in full knowledge. God accepts that decision, but goes on to institute a plan for mankind's redemption even though that requires the ultimate sacrifice, the death of His Son.

  • @QuisSeperabit60

    Ultimate sacrifice my ass. God can easily bring him back. To be a sacrifice, you need to lose something.

    But this is a key point. You think that burning in hell forever is better than having an obedience mechanism. Personally, I'd choose obedience mechanism. The way you put it, Free will is a curse. God accepts a decision that he himself created. Yeah...not that hard.

  • @DarkZerkerX I assume that the underworld Hell was not always interpreted as a fiery environment. Why would there be a fiery environment anyway? The behavioral pattern of atoms and combustion would be different.

    If there is an underworld called Hell, I think it is more exciting.

  • @TheSlimeWorkShop

    Meh, even before all that, how would there still be any oxygen in there? I mean if it's continuously burning, it would end up burning up all the oxygen. Even at that, there's no real mechanism for making such a large area burn other than a huge bunch of trees....but how long will that last?

  • @DarkZerkerX Well.. it wasn't that Jesus died, but rather the fact that Jesus, being God (a being of absolute worth) bore the punishment of sin. In a sense God took the tremendous punishment that the willful sin of mankind required.

    You're presenting a false binary if you think the choice is between autonomy and Hell, its not. You can chose eternal life, you just don't want to.

  • @kirke27

    Jesus not being of sin? Well then, I guess God does play favorites. Jesus not sinning is bull crap. Since Jesus was born from a human, therefore carrying the genome of a human, Jesus is born with sin since apparently, you can gain sin from eating fruit. Which is what Adam and Eve did.

    Besides, the sins of man are not supernatural. They are human nature. Lying to get out of a test or stealing a cookie from the cookie jar is normal. Now how you deal with it is different.

  • @DarkZerkerX Not really.. that's the significance of the virgin birth. Because Jesus was begotten, rather than conceived, by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was not born of Adam's line and thus avoided the taint of sin. Being God, Jesus was incapable of sinning. In any case, nothing is an irreconcilable problem for God.

    You might think immorality is natural, but I wonder what your friends and family would think if every sin of which you mind had ever conceived were to be shown to them.

  • @kirke27

    Um no.....

    Reproduction works when the sperm meets the egg. The genome is then replicated through a process known as meiosis. Look it up. The reproductive system cannot create anything that are interspecies(or demi-gods) unless in rare cases of transgenic.

    Yes of course. Sinning in the mind is the same thing as doing it for real. So what if you hate a guy. Most people don't go to the guy's house with a 9mm and shoot them in the face. Talk about Nazism to the extreme.

  • @DarkZerkerX Lol.. I'm aware of the mechanisms of the reproductive system, thanks for your concern. That's simply an argument against miracles... if you accept the idea that an omnipotent transcendent deity is capable of creating the Universe ex nihilo (I'm not sure if you do - but there are several compelling logical reasons for so doing) its not much of an intellectual stretch to accept that He is able to circumvent the ordinary reproductive mechanisms He designed.

  • @kirke27

    Logical...LOL!! You just made my day. A super sky daddy pops everything into existence. Yeah...and you think evolution is a fairy tale. Miracles are simply bullshit as what seems to be a miracle are just probability and luck. I'm not going to do a full explanation because its over a 100 degrees over here so I'm going to my local Siberia to cool off.

  • @Strikesnake1994 Alright, well, when one accepts Jesus, the Holy Spirit is given as a gift. Every believer knows when this happens--one's life is changed. If it's your opinion that hitler had this conversion, then you're entitled to that. I do not believe he did, based on his actions, which look more like a madman trying to wage war against God. If he did have the conversion, you'd have to rejec