Lol Nothing here is a surprise. We brought down our own buildings (even though Osama took credit for it) and the Halocaust never happened, etc etc blah blah blah...
@xXxMartin96xXx so you don't believe what Israel is doing is bad right ? I am from Egypt and you can say we are their nighboors ofcourse you know what happened recently when they stroke our boarders and killed 8 Egyptian soliders with cold blood and they didn't even put on effort to make it up to us or officialy apologize so simply we kicked their embassidor out of Egypt but here i'd like to share something with you kindly watch these
i am sorry, i wont look the videos because there are like.......um...... 74.2% of chances that is just anti-sionist/anti-jew propaganda
when i say i dont believe its wrong, i mean the ocupation on palestine to destroy HAMAS, however, lots of HAMAS members are in egypt, yes, i do believe what you said was very wrong, that show how a woman president NEVER WORKS!!!, NEVER!!!
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i have to be god if i can get the 50% of your body when i grew at my 25 D:
@xXxMartin96xXx Assumption is a wrong thing 2ndly the videos i sent aren't propaganda and if you didn't watch them there are so many will do, Hamas are freedom fighters if some body attacked your house you would do whatever it takes to protect your self I imagine a country attacking my country so when later i carry a gun and resist what would you call me ?it's okay man if we don't agree that doesn't make any of us bad either me and you
body ?what body ? hehe dude you are 31 older than me
needed to lie in that youtube account....i ma 15, but i think you got a bad idea of what HAMAS does.....
if somebody invade you and you resist, lots of times, it can get wrong, for you, and for everyone, however, that is called "guerrilla" or "resistance", "insurgency" or "rebeld faction".
@xXxMartin96xXx I see about the age okay here is the thing you love your country and people invaded it ! wouldn't you resist until you die ? it doesn't matter how long they took the country still they took what doesn't belongs to them trust me the propganda now days is owned by the Zionist loop so this is their job to make others look Evil and cover upon their occupation, what happened from Israel on the Egyptian boarders 2 weeks ago is unforgiven they killed 8 soliders with cold blood
that zionist propaganda is one of the most biggest internet conspiratons i ever seen, like 70% of the fucking world think that, i never saw it, everywhere i just see "ISRAEL KILL INOCENT PEOPLE" (even if that is not true) and when you see "ISRAEL DO SOMETHING GOOD" you see in the comments "ZIONIST PROPAGANDA, THIS IS FAKE" so, i dont believe in zionist propaganda, also, HAMAS is not a defense group, from the 70's offensive attacks has been reported on israel from them
You ignorant goat fucking twat. Muslims have committed more terrorist attacks around the world than any other group on the planet, so stop your crying. Here's an idea, round up every muslim fuck who occupies Western countries and we will pull out every Jew and Christian from your goat fucking countries.
أنا لا أكره اليهود الولايات المتحدة أو إسرائيل ، فأنا لا يروق الصهاينة وجورج دبليو بوش ، وهذا هو السبب في أنني لست الموالية للفلسطيني أو مؤيد لإسرائيل، أريد فقط السلام! أكره حماس والحكومة الإسرائيلية والأمريكية الحكومة! كل الحب سلام أخرى! :)
Meh. You can find xenophobic, hate-filled vids in the States too, with an opposite message. You can find what you want just about anywhere if you look hard enough, especially on YT.
FUCK USA AND FUCK ISRAEL. Im not muslim but u allways try to throw all the shit on the muslims ! Im happy about 9/11 cuz USA deserve that And I hope they get more shit exacly what they do with other countries
@MrAndyHaddad your a disgusting disgrace if you believe the USA deserved 9/11. It's not the people interfering in other countries, its their government, but it was the innocent people that suffered. If you think 9/11 was a good thing, then you've got something seriously wrong inside your head, because anyone that thinks hundreds and hundreds of people dying is good, needs help. Saying that you hope more stuff like that happens, just shows what an inhumane, freedom hating person you really are.
Oi pfict, go fuck ya self. Zionist pig. Look at just about every single of aspect of not just American but Western culture in general that teach hatred of the Middle East, Arabs and Islam. If you can't see that hipocracy you're a fucking idiot or have something blindly (or not) invested in Israel and probably, to a lesser extent the US.
@gav526 Whatever mate, you continue to live your lie. I guess any supporter of Israel would have to remain totally ignorant or lie to themselves like you to justify the existance and actions of Israel. You can't argue with facts mate. Have a look at some of my favourites, educate your self.
@murf69 The Palestinians were offered to have their own independent state from Britain in 1939 through the Peel Commission, from the UN in 1947 through the Partition of Palestine. They said no since there would also be a Jewish State. Where is the logic in that? And Jordan and Egypt took control of the West Bank and Gaza (when the Palestinians controlled it after the War of Independence) and no one complained...the Palestinians were not treated well by them
@gav526 And you say that Arabs were kicked out of there home when actually they were told by the community leaders to leave because they were going to "drive Israel into the sea"...well at the same time over 1 million Jews from Arab countries were EXPELLED FROM THEIR HOMES...you my friend are ignoring the facts...please get some history books
what a bunch of lies and propaganda saying the usa blew up its own towers when there is undisputable proof it was islamic terrorist.what has israel done but try to survive in peace the tunnels are there and the weapons are smuggled in the tunnels i have seen the rockets and the damage caused by them.hamas and islam are terrorist and need wiped out it is not a religion of peace it is a cult of death and hate jesus will return and he will not pick islam as the religion he is a jew we know this
The majority of people all want the same thing, love their families, a roof over their heads and food on the table. The US government is EVIL, pure EVIL, it does not matter who the president is, they have always been puppets. Look how they treat their own citizens, bailing out the rich banker fat cats, allowing them to be paid bonuses whilst the average person loses their home to the greedy banks. The American evangelical bible thumping idiot is more dangerous than a muslim
Popular? I'm Lebanese, and I've never heard of it. We DON'T want war, for the simple reason that we desire to live. But hey, do politicians care about our wants? They know better, don't they?
1. i will tell u i am joking, but only if u b kind enough to tell me what do u think about this Arab intellectual saying so, asI DID NOTHING other than quoting him.
copy-paste this: Al Jazeera arab self-criticism MEMRI TV
2. Is there a good reason y can't i hear your answers to my arguments?
More westerners begin to understand Israel's case and that means there is no such thing Muslims labeling a westerner "racist". IT SIMPLY DOES NOT EXISTTTT! u only expose your ignorance, 7th-century-mindset.
U MUSLIMS R SIMPLY NOT FIT TO LIVE IN THIS 21st CENTURY WORLD.
we're not racists only b-coz u we express out loud how inferior and animals u r. We don't threaten to murder antiJewish Muslim cartoonist, yet u call me racist... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!
Can you imagine a guy like this topping the charts in the west? He's wearing those pants like a senior citizen, with the belt pulled up over his pot belly. And seriously, political subject matter in a music video clip? Don't these people ever give it a bone?
WTF lebanon has nothin to do wit this....dis guys accent is egyptian.....the person dat made dis video must really hate lebanon cause lebanon loves america
Jews are good people, those are just lies you learned. Radical Muslims are terrorist blowing them selfs up in big crowds so that they can go to heaven.
Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya'qoub stated on Al-Rahma TV in January 2009: "If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. ...
Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing."
Crazily enough, there is a news report already about another Radical Muslim faction tied to Al-Qaeda (named Jund Ansar Allah) is erupting conflict in Gaza right now with a gun fight and attempts of detonating bombs in the Ansar compound. Looks like Hamas might be losing Its grip already. Things are just getting crazier and crazier over there. I'll fill you in more If I get any more reports on this.
anyone here aware that a propaganda film based on religious superiority and racism called, "the life of the jews in palestine" became very popular in Israel around 2000? I think it's important to remember that very rarely, is an entire group of people represented by the dangerous actions of those in their community. Zionists do not represent jews as a whole, neoconservative christians don't represent americans as a whole, and extremist muslims dont represent muslims or arabs as a whole.
Do my brothers and sisters really honestly believe thay can get to heaven by preaching hate! Hate is the opposite of god or to be cut off Forever and ever! Just ask Jesus for help and you will be answered. God Bless you may come to Christ and stop being deluded
wow this is the kind of cartoons that they watch in these screwed up arab countries and territories? They don't even have family guy?! No wonder they're all pissed off, ignorant, anti- Israeli Jihadists.
you are an embarassment to any effort titled "the support of democracy". Racist generalizations like "screwed up arab countries and territories" have no place in the fight for democracy. And Israel doesn''t deserve to attach itself to the american standard of democracy. They come nowhere close. And the current "jihadist" attitude was largely inspired by Zionism and the actions of Israel.
nonetheless, u really don't need to teach me of my own past, but if i can't convinve u that u r an ignorant, maybe a much more reliable source can: go to google [unless u consider even it to a "zionist propogansa"] and search "Pleasure Excursion to the Holy Land" by Mark Twain saying he never saw any soul in this land!!!
now, Arabs came here only bcoz of economical resons, from ARABIA - THAT'S Y THEY'RE ARABS!!!
HAHAHA fuck you and mark twain you tool. I don't know from which scizophrenic visions you sourced your definition of truth, but it is twisted. You base your historical argument on the writings of fucking MARK TWAIN, and you're on youtube acting like this front against "the ignorants"? Dude, you so fucking laughable. I love youtube.
A-HA, how very typical for a brainless islamist like u r to express your madness but never coming up with concrete answers to ,my questions: WHERE IN THE QURAN R "PALESTINE" "ALQUDS" (NOT ALAQSA, BUT ALQUDS]
idiot, AlAqsa only means "remotest", "most distant" it doesn't yet mean specifically jerusalem. fucking muhi only DREAMT about jerusalem
as long as u dont specifically answer, then thnx so much for exposing your islamic personality and dont forget to scream "allah akbar" like the animal u r
nice work. That's all you insecure and denial ridden Israel supportes now how to do. "you're an anti-semite" or "the blood of the jews is on your hands" or "you support rape" or"you're an islamist" WHAT THE FUCK ARE TALKING ABOUT? I have never ONCE been called an islamist. What motivated you to say that?, And you never asked me a question. what was I supposed to answer? huh? And one day, if Israel starts fucking up oil markets, the US military might have Israel in it's sights. pretty realistic.
now i offer u the chance to answer SPECIFICALLY to my questions. Watch also for ZUHEIR MUHSSEIN a top PLO man admitting the "Palestine" is a myth, and don't forget to answer me where in the quran "Palestine" and "Alquds" not alaqsa, but "alquds"
please b a big boy: reply only if u have SPECIFIC answers to my SPECIFIC questions
then why don't you ask me some questions? and don't try and argue with abstract historical or religious bullshit. I don't own a copy of the quran, the bible, or the torah. you are arguing with a secular american. Now make your point for Israel. "the ignorant" is waiting.
Gladly I will, but u first answer my questions, then I answer yours. and u dont have to have a copy of the quran in an age of google.
Now here is the deal, as long as u don't tell me the very quranic chapter, then MAKE SURE "PALESTINE" "ALQUDS" BOTH NEVER SHOW FOR ONCE! and i still urge u -IF U HAVE THE GUTS TO - go to Wikipedia and c 4 yourself ZUHEIR MUHSSEIN, his position and admition that "Palestine" is a fiction
so should I list all the jews in history who have said that Israel is a sham? I'm not worried about the stamp of "legitimacy" for either country, I just want to know why Israel shouldn't be made a pariah state given it's actions. Can you argue on a pragmatic basis, or do you just type convoloted half-sense messages trying to attack credibiilty? Even if palestine never existed as you argue, you think Israel is justified in taking land?
I;m affraid that 500 charecters r not enough but i'll do my best.
assumubg that the land isn't israel's is already outrages from the firstlace. Jews, have always been here in this land even in minor numbers, but were kicked out from by various empires. Now Jews r back to reclaim what is theirs from the firstplace. Arabs, though - coming from ARABIA, THAT'S Y THEY'RE A-R-A-B-S - set foot here only in 1920 bcoz they were after living options here. NEVER b4 there was a state called "Palestine"
If only there was a state called "Palestine" as u suggest israelis "stole", may u kindly answer: who was "palestine"'s first premiere? who were its neighbours? how did its literature and currency ever look like? Never there is any serious evidence for that.
BUT, go again to wikipedia [it's a reliable source] and search "dead sea caves" so u can c fragments of Torah scrolls perfectly preserved all these years with ancient Hebrew handwriting for evidence.
there was an entire community of arabs, jews, christians, etc, living in Jerusalem under the ottoman empire in the early 1900s, before the zionist movement gathered steam. I thnk that's a pretty well known fact. Denying that would be like denying the holocaust. When it comes to who has supreme ownership over the land, that is irrelevant. Reclamation of land is a disastorous idea, and Israel's refusal to stop reclamation and follow international law has put it on the path to the pariah club.
and palestine wasn't a "state" in the sense that Israel is now, but it was a multi-ethnic region referred to by the ottoman empire as "palestine", and Jerusalem had an arab mayor at the end of the 19th century, who was telling Theodor Herzl to refrain from bringing in large amounts of Jewish immigrants because he knew that Zionism would screw everything up, which it did. An argument based on palestine never existing is just....wrong.
let me ask you this. lets say I concede your point and I say that Israel is the rightful landlord or whatever, and that palestine never existed (bullshit), would you say Israel is in a good position? Would you say the world is on Israel's side? How long do you think Israel will survive if they keep doing what they are doing? Instead of worrying about who's right, Israel needs to start worrying about who might be FUCKED in the end.
u completely misrepresnting the facts and i'm not gonna forcr u out of your ignorance here. as for your question: israel has very few friends just as the media is leftist in most western world and just as most westen world is dumb as it lives in denail of the islamic threat. watch "obsession" for more idea.
Palestine is a name rreffering only a GEOGRAPHIC are, NOT NATIONAL! and Joradn (formerly known as Trans-Palestine) is the real home for palestinians, as 2/3 of jordanians r palestinians
you can't even dent my "ignorance" because you couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. REGIONAL or NATIONAL, you're talking about a REGION or a NATION where a diverse group of people had made their homes. And jews will say that they used to own the land, and that may be true, but thinking you can just "reclaim" something is foolish. And that foolishness is why Israel is isolated, NOT because the "leftist" western media.
and the American media practically sucks Israel's balls on a daily basis. During the recent Gaza war, you never heard ONE arguemnt for palestine. All you heard was, "well hamas is sending rockets and breaking cease-fires so we have to go in and fight "terrorism". They make no mention of the history, the make no reference of the IDF's war crimes, their commentary guests were invariably pro-israel. The media has played no part in Israel's isolation. Israel has the power and they're still losing.
and saying that the west is in denial of the "islamist threat" is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Let's just ignore the billions spent on "national security" to guard against the "jihadist threat", and the constant media barrage of al-qaeda recordings and Ahmedinejad's crazy rhetoric and muslim propaganda films and so on and so on and so on. Remember the color warning system of the bush admin? How is the west in denial of islamic extremism?.
so is that what can be expected of somebody calling themselves "Israel VS the ignorants"? you're done already? See, paper thin arguments get exhausted quickly, don't they? just know, in the next 20-30 years, Israel will abandon you. You'll see what Israel has done for the jews and you will feel betrayed. You'll know that they have betrayed your integrity, your indentity, your future, your safety, everything. You'll see it and I hope the memory of this conversation smacks you upside the reality.
I'm an Israeli and Israel so far is only country which provided security to Jews in Israel. LOLLLLL the anti-terror barries since it was set up in 2003, proved itself in 98.5% of would-be palestininan suicide bombings.
And u r a one hell of a prick who will NEVER E-V-E-R b cured
yeah keep laughing. Israel provides security to JEWS ONLY and treats palestinians like animals to be killed. You're walls might keep suicide bombers out, but it's mark of shame on that land and only speaks to Israeli ignorance. Just remember what I said. Israel will ABONDON you. Their politics and practices will inevitably KILL YOUR SECURITY. The world is already against you. You will fail. Jews will lose their "homeland" and their fall will be a testament to their evil. and yours.
and when it comes to identity, I'd rather be a poor uneducated palestinian cripple, than a rich and healthy Israeli. Your countries expansion was carried out with Nazi principles and the world knows it. 20-30 years tops, Israel will be a pariah. The world is waking up to your evil, and that old trusty "holocaust-sympathy" violen is getting worn. The strings have been frayed by your shameless cronies in the US, and your days in "security" are numbered.
neopoloitik, LOL, only the way u speak i can c that u r a fucking anti-semtie of the worst level. "israel will abandon me" yeahhhh... just as your beloved saddam declared that americans lost and just as your Hamas idol declare israel loses, where in fact ISRAEL WON AND H-U-M-I-L-I-A-T-E-D U FUCKING MUSLIMS LOL
"World wakes up against Israel"???? idiot! in case u hadn't noticed, the world wakes up against ISLAMOFACISTS like u.
nice. I've reached the end of your line. The anti-semite claim came out. That's what I was waiting for. At least you had the balls to wait for a bit before busting it out. And the world is against Israel.Your cronies in the states trap our politicians into vetoing the countles anti-israel UN resolutions meant to stop the crimes of your beloved IDF. You're such a racist, nazi, fucking terrorist. The day that America can wash it's hands of Israel will be the happiest day of my life.
and calling me a muslim is foundless, just another little "insecure israeli" tactic. It's the same thing you idiots always do. I assume next you'll be telliing me that you want to fuck my skull or something right? All I've seen from Israelis defending their country is ignorance, stupidity, denial, racism, fascism, absolute hysteria, and above all, claims of anti-semitism. Victimhood is the weakest form of life.
lol, actually when I come to think of It, Hamas already abandoned their own people already for their own struggle for power, they are the real oppressors, whether murdering Jewish families, to butchering defenseless Fatah, to slaughtering event their own people for questioning their motives. It should have already come clear to you that Isreal has not and never will abandon the Jews, especially when wicked terrorists like Hamas still exist.
actually, Israel WILL abondon the Israelis by failing to maintain a politically viable state, and by bringing unofficial doctrines of slow transfer into the ranks of the IDF. These things have made a joke out of Israel, and the only country who doesn't know it YET, is America. You can say what what you want about Hamas. Jews kill each other, fight each other, but more importantly, have created more of a terrorist profile for themselves than could be earned by any other terrorist organization.
the integrity of Israel's support within America is on such thin ice. The Israelis think that Americans have such a deep emotional connection with the jews. BS. The only reason America hasn't sent Israel to the basement of International relations, is because groups like AIPAC make it virtually impossible for anyone in Congress to challenge their influence. But I can polarize your average american against Israel in a matter of minutes, even if all they've seen so far is Hamas and their rockets.
so you keep laughing and convincing yourself of the supremecy of Israel and the Jews, and in 20 years or less, when Americans say "no more", I'll be laughing and you'll just be speechless.
lol, yeah, If It event happens. Those Americans in America support Isreal, not Obama because he's Pro-Palestinian, just watch, in just over 3 years Obamas 1st and most likely last term will be up, he'll be out of office being event more hated than George Bush. To think that of how many that accuse Isreal of "Racism" and "Oppression", are hypocrites themselves, damn, Palestinians there get rights to Medicare, Insurance, and have more rights than event in most Muslim countries altogether. lol
Obama sucks Israel's cock, while making peace speeches to Muslims. This is called "playing the game" He knows what kind of influence AIPAC has, but he doesn't blindly demonize muslims like Jews do. You think he'll have only one term, because you believe Americans support Israel. WRONG. Americans will say "I support Israel" because they know NOTHING. Like I said, I can take the people who pay for Israel's lonely little existence, and turn them against the terrorist state in a matter of minutes.
There are many Americans supporting Isreal that know alot about them, Hamas not just murder Jewish families in Isreal, they also Murder Fatah Muslims and Hamas Dissedents. Obamas policies between Israelis and Palestinians show he bends more towards the Palestinians than the Israelis. Also, Israelis gave medical aid (Including hospital services) to Muslims like Iraqi, Somali, Fatah, and event HAMAS Muslims (There is a video of a female suicide bomber who tried to bomb a hospital, she failed).
don't you find it strange that every argument you place for Israel is based on the actions of some other muslim country that's not even part of the conversation? Iran is fucked up, but we don't send them huge amounts of money and we condemn them and politically isolate them. Israel actually executes the kind of actions called for by Ahmedinejad (Israel actually kills residents of foreign countries without provocation, where Iran just talks about it), so we should treat Israel the same way/worse.
lol, and in 20 years from now, with Microsoft Isreal making the most advance computer technology and the Arabs being educated and earn some of the best degrees around, great water filters, incredible Medical breakthroughs..... If Isreal is still around along with those other Muslim countries being major tech trading partners, I would laugh my ass off to death and you might commit suicide! lol
and you want to boast about Israel's technological advantage/contributions, while Israel's per-capita GDP is less than SIngapore's. Yeah, Israel is impressive. Please. and when it comes to Israel's treatment of Arabs, no list of Israel-educated Arabs could ever justify what Israel has done to Palestine and the Palaestinians. You feed off of all this propaganda bullshit pushed by the Israeli government's PR department. And Muslim countries being screwed-up doesn't justify Israel being screwed up.
Microsoft Isreal is more than enough proof that Israeli technology in some aspects event surpases event American.
Iran screwed up relations between Israeli and Palestinian relations by using Fascist groups like Hamas in Gaza just to stir up madness and put a bad turn in Israeli politics, so yeah, you are paying for Iran and Hamas's corruption.
I don't know where you come up with this stuff, but It's pretty strange.
When it comes to actions against Israel, Hamas is doing exactly what every American would do if some foreign country came and started dominating us. We would bomb them, shoot rockets at them, kill them, probably worse. And hamas was not some proxy force sent by Iran. YOU are the one producing "strange information". But I'm out for tonight, have fun with your xbox you ignorant fascist.
Hamas dominates Its own populus along with against other Palestinians and supports Pedophilia and you call me an ignorant Fascist while I'm actually a Conservative Republican defending Isreal against real Fascists who treat their own people like they treat their enemies. Hamas uses the Nazi solute themselves, supporting the Fascist ideology of Nazism. I'm not a Fascist, the Fascists were right under your nose the whole time.
yeah can you tell me where I said that I support Hamas? This is an issue of communication. Criticism of Israel DOES NOT equate to supporting hamas or terrorist tactics. I don't support hamas. I think Hamas is only making life more difficult for the people in Gaza, BUT, you can't be suprised that the PALESTINIANS in Gaza voted them in, because these moderate leaders couldn't produce anything. If it were the American attitude in Gaza, you could expect for worse than Hamas.
Ok. But what you fail to realize is that under the "horrible" occupation, from 1967 - 1993, when the Palestinians in the area began to be governed by the PLO, the economy grew at a fairly rapid rate. It was one of the top economies in the world, growing faster than even Israel. People had jobs. Things were safe for the Palestinians and the Jews. And then the PLO took over and they started the problems.
listen, you can't point to the failed politics of the palestinians before you point to the way they are treated by Israel. They are treated like animals. I know Israelis have been hit by suicide bombers and homemade rockets, but in a numbers game Israel will look guilty every time, and by a mile. shit...TEN miles. And your argument about the PLO doesn't make sense. Are you trying to convince me that that the majority of the people in Gaza have been turned into terrorists by militant Islam?
The PLO and Hamas leaders are animals that should be put down like animals. And if you REALLY cared about the Palestinians, as opposed to simply hating Jews / Zionism you would feel the same way. They killed thousands of their own people, stolen tons of food and other humanitarian aid and committed a million and one crimes against their own people and other Arabs. THAT is why the Palestinians have nowhere to go. No Arab country will allow them to become citizens.
Ok. So my question for you, is what Israeli oppression caused the PLO and their allies to murder in Lebanon, in cold blood at least 100,000 innocent Christian Arabs. What "crime" of Israel, caused the Palestinians to declare war on one of the only countries that had given them shelter, Jordan and try to overthrow the king? What "crime" of Israel, caused the Palestinians to support Saddam's mudrer of millions of his own Arab Muslim citizens?
Israel IS the crime. One's claim to a homeland shouldn't override circumstance. You say "who cares what those old leaders said". Well those were the people that created your beloved Israel. Those were the messages they circulated to the jewish population as zionists propaganda. What they said and how they approached the creation of their new homeland is at the core of this discussion.
"Those good Jews brought civilization and peace to the Arab Muslims, and they dispersed gold and prosperity over Palestine without damage to anyone or taking anything by force. Despite this, the Muslims declared holy war against them and did not hesitate to massacre their children and women... "
The statement is from a letter sent to the French Prime Minister in June 1936 by six Syrian Alawi notables (the Alawis are the ruling class in Syria today) in support of Zionism.
and the Balfour Declaration was a three sentence letter secured through a vague aquaintance with some British cabinet members. The jews in Israel always seem to think that the arabs should be thanking them, which is bullshit, and besides, how often do you hear Israelis and jews thank Americans for keeping their country alive and fighting all these wars on terror that Israel is supposedly a part of but can never fight in (unless it's against a civilian population of course).
They should. The Jews are far kinder to the Arabs than the Arabs are to the Jews. For example, the Jews allow a million Arabs to live within their state. Most Muslim states, for example, Saudi Arabia, don't allow any Jews within their borders. Whether you want to face it or not, the Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest are enemies of the West as well as Israel. Their goal is to establish a global Islamic state, starting with Israel.
and I KNOW that muslims kill each other, zionists always feel the need to remind me of that for some reason. But what I am concerned about, as an American, is that we are funding a movement that fuels hatred against us, that we, as Americans, pay for, in both cash and blood. Israel is politically retarded, and we need to cut our relationship with them. What, I should pay for Israelis to embarass themselves and the US because palestinians and muslims are this and that?
Our actions have nothing to do with Islamic hatred of the West. This hatred is part of how they interpert their holy books.
For example, have you heard of the Barbary wars? Muslims carried out a number of attacks agianst American ships in the late 18th, early 19th century. We had to raise a Navy, sail to the Middle East, attack the Muslim states that had declared war on us and defeat them. The said that they had to attack us becuase we are infidels.
Ok. Then why don't you complain about our suport of the Arab states, which is far more extensive than our support of Israel? For example, we give three times more money to the Arab states than Israel. We also have signed an agreement with Saudi Arabia to protect them with American troops and arms in case they are attacked. Saudi Arabia and the other Arab states, spew anti-Western, anti-American hatred and are the main sources of this propoganda. Why don't you complain about them?
the world does not revolve around pretty ideals or moral integrity. If that were the case, Israel would not exist. The world revolves around cold hard political realities. In my view, in my reality, anti-americanism is a concern, but losing our leverage over ME oil is MUCH more of a concern. Saudi arabia also funds all those mudrassas where they recruit teenagers into the taliban, but we used to feed and arm these guys, and now we're fighting them. The narrative shifts with immediate interests.
When Americans are struggling to pay for their healthcare, their home values have fallen below their level of debt, the US owes $11 trillion dollars...pragmatism is the only approach. Israel stoakes anti-americanism, bottomline. The question is, is it worth it? The answer is no. and in fact, Israel receives, per-capita, more US aid than any other country. It also enjoys all these special terms for the aid, like having it disbursed within 30 days and never having to report how it is spent.
If our support is the problem, why are the Islamic radicals attacking the UK and Europe? They don't support Israel, in fact they are very critical of the Jewish state?
Israel helps us far more than the Arab states do. For example, during the cold war they provided critical intelligence for example, regarding a new type of Russian plane.
You still haven't answered my questions. Why don't you oppose the aid which goes to the Arab countries, which directly fund anti-American propoganda.
they attack the UK probably because they have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. (And the BBC actually blocked an appeal for donations to Gaza, I don't think the british media is all that critical of Israel) And our support of Israel isn't the only thing stoaking anti-americanism, but it's a source of it that just isn't worth it. Lawrence Wilkerson, Chief of staff to Colin Powell 2000-2005 said, "Israel is a strategic burden on the United States of America"
Ok. Then why are the Arab states begging Obama to let Israel attack Iran. Saudi Arabia and Jordan are deperate for Israel or the US to go in and bomb the Iran nuclear sites. If Israel is so bad, why are they urging the US to give Israel the green light to do this?
well it's pragmatism. They are not necessarily supportive of Israel, they just don't want Shia-Iran to get their hands on nukes. and honestly, if there was some foreign country pushing to bomb Israel, then Saudi Arabia would probably give a thumbs up to that as well. And if the "bomb Iran" idea is so great, then why hasn't the US supported it? Because it would be massively unitelligent, thats why.
My point of view is all options are on the table. Hopefully it won't come to bombing, but if it does it does. Iran can't get nukes. They can't and this must be prevented at all costs.
Saudi Arabia and the other Arab countries have already tried to destroy Israel several times. They lost each time. They are relgious fanatics that believe that their religion directs them to kill all Jews and Christians.
Why wouldn't Iran want nukes? Do you think you can truly disarm Iran without acknowledging why they are pursuing them? Look around Iran, they are surrounded by nuclear American forces, and the US invaded Iraq on very shady intelligence and turned it into a nightmare. Ahmadenijad would think, "I'm not going to be next". And then look at Pakistan, they''ve been supporting the Taliban for years. They're the ones that sold the nuke tech to Iran! Why no sanctions on Pakistan? they have nukes!
Because it is run by genocidal lunatics who want to establish a global Islamic state, headed by the Islamic messiah, the mahdi. They believe that they need to exterminate the Jews in and out of Israel in order for this to occur and they plan on starting a nuclear war with Israel to start and plan to sacrifice at least 15 million of their own people in this pursuit. They are very clear about their aims in Persian, translations of their statements on this are all over the Internet.
Martin Van Crevald, an Israeli military historian, and the only foreigner that US military officers are required to study, said, "I don't see Ahmadenijad as crazy at all. He is just doing exactly what I would do in his place". He is building nukes for much more practical reasons, not so that he can start ww3 and summon the madhi. Do you think he believes that he can do anything when America or Israel could land a nuke right in the center of tehran, most likely in less than 12 hours?
Ok. Then why does he say he is building nukes so the mahdi will return?
He spends millions of dollars on centers which promote the idea of the immenient return of the mahdi, the Islamic savior. Since the mahdi is said to be hiding in a well, he tosses government documents down a well which he is thought to inhabit. Khameni has spoken of his willingness to sacrifice 15 million Persians in order to bring about "victory for Islam" though extermination of the Jews and their state.
I'm really not trying to paint the perfect picture of Iran, but you said it yourself earlier when you were discrediting the statements of the early zionists. You said that actions are what matters, not words. So even if they are saying all this radical shit, fact of the matter is, they make one false move and they are toast. That simple. And I believe they know it. Nuclear US forces in almost every part of the ME, and nukes sitting in Israel. Iran wouldn't live to see the return of any mahdi.
Yes. The diffrence is that the Jews haven't tried to carry out a systematic destruction of the Muslims around the world. The Muslims do have this goal and have tried several times to exterminate the Jews. The first of these attempts took place before the establishment of Israel. Muslims supported Hitler and his final solution and wanted him to conquer the Middle East so they could setup death camps and exterminate their Jews. When this failed they fought several wars to try to accomplish this.
and have you seen the video of Ahmadenijad meeting with orthodox jews in NYC, and hugging and shaking hands with them? They actually gave Ahmadenijad an award, for his "sweetness and love" and for understanding the difference between zionism and judaism. And aren't their large jewish communities inside Iran?
This is meaningless. I know of these Jews. They are sadly deluded. Jews are allowed in Iran, but they have very few right and have been persecuted. They are allowed to live but are considered Dhimmis, lesser people with fewer rights than Muslims. And the Jewish community in Iran has shrunk to only a few thousand, if that.
The reason Iranians can't visit Israel is becuase there government won't let them. Similar situation to Saudi Arabia. They don't want their citizens to visit Israel either.
Once those countries recognize Israel's right to exist and cease trying to complete the holocaust, I'm sure Israel would welcome people from those areas.
does the US bar every Saudi Arabian? Every Afghan, Iraqi, Palestinian, Syrian, or Lebanese? NO. This is one of the many reasons why it makes me so angry when Israel and it's supporters, say that the US and Israel share a special bond in their common committment to democracy, equality, and freedom. They also say that we are linked in our fight against terrorism. How many IDF troops fought in Iraq? ZERO. How many IDF troops in Afghanistan? ZERO. How many Americans killed? over 5000. IDF? ZERO!
regardless of what kind of jews they are, that's mahmoud ahmadinejad hugging jews. Now wouldn't a fervent islamic fundamentalist bent on the killing of jews in and out of Israel (as we're led to believe he is) not really care what type of jews they were either? How can I see something like that and then buy into all this crap sold by groups like AIPAC and FOX news. "Ahmadinejad is the new hitler". Maybe, but so far, Israel has been more provocative than Iran. Iran talks, Israel walks.
And you are deluded. You need to simply listen to or watch some of the statements from ahmadinejad in Farsi. He is very clear about his goals to wipe out the Jews. He and Khameni are extremely clear about their goals. Fox News, has as its second largest shareholder a Saudi Arabian prince, so they have, if anything toned down some of these statements.
if I'm deluded than you are extremist. I see Israel as more terrorist than ANYONE. And if Ahmadinejad and Khameni are so clear about their intention to start ww3 and finish the holocaust, why hasn't the US bombed them? If their intention is so clear, why would the US be pushing for negotiations with Iran? I don't see any US president meeting with a leader that is so clearly committed to finishing the holocaust. And Israel sold weaponry to Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. Anti-tank missiles.
Ok. You need to watch his statements about the Jews and Islamic Mahdi in Farsi. He and the grand leader believe they need to wipe Israel off the map and kill every Jew within it, to hasten the coming of the Mahdi, the Islamic savior.
The Iranian regime is also planning on attacking the Sunni countries, possibly with nuclear weapons, according to the Egyptians, since they are infidel nations in the minds of the Shiite.
Ok. Then why don't you oppose the aid we send to the Arab states as well? We give far more aid to the Arabs than we give to the Jews? Why don't you oppose giving aid to the other countries we give aid to? Why don't you oppose the money we spend defending Europe?
we give more aid to jews than to arabs. You need to understand that. Per-capita, we send Israel $500 a person every year. When was the last time you got $500 bucks from the governemnt for free (other than those rare stimulus packages of course)? And if our power wasn't dependent on Saudi Arabia's oil, then I would say "cut ties". But if we do, then we lose leverage to China and Russia, and then my kids will pay twice as much for consumer goods because we didn't want an arab burning our flag.
If you are truly only concerned about money, you should be opposed to the aid given to the Arabs as well. Why don't you oppose giving money to them as well? If you support Saudi Arabia fine. Then why don't you want aid cut to all other countries? Hatred of Europe and the West predates the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions. As I said before, it dates back to the beginning of the US. Why is that?
listen, as long as it serves the interest of the american people, whether they be jewish, muslim, christian, black, white, asian, latino, WHATEVER...as long as this country can provide for it's people and keep them safe, i say "fantastic". it might sound cold and materialistic, but I refer to a quote from Saul Alinksy: "The means and ends moralists always end up on their ends with no means".
Do you think the world is really, trully on America's side? No. Not really.
Luckily, popularity doesn't determine whether someone or something is in the right or not. Unowrkable, harmful ideas can be popular. Workable ideas, such as cutting taxes, can be unpopular.
and if Palestine never existed, then why did the Balfour Declaration call for the support of a jewish homeland in PALESTINE? Why do so many zionists documents include the word, "palestine'? Palestine was never a state like you could call Israel a state, but it was a place full of people making a life for themselves. If you want to call that a "non-existent fantasy", then go ahead, but it's just stupid and it doesn't help anything.
Palestine is a territory, always has been for thousands of years. The Romans named it that after they defeated the Jewish armies.
The people known now as Palestinians are simply Arabs from surrounding areas. They referred to themselves as Syrians before 1948. The Jews called themselves Jewish Palestinians. But there never was a country called Palestine.
When you say palestine never existed, you're trying to make the point that when the arabs try to claim palestine as their own, they have no right to do so. Palestine never existed so how can they claim it? Why do they have to create conflict with us? well the zionists completely failed to use common sense. They knew that the only way for the zionist movement to succeed, was to commit to good relations with arabs, but that would have created to many limitations. They wanted their jewish homeland.
Lol Nothing here is a surprise. We brought down our own buildings (even though Osama took credit for it) and the Halocaust never happened, etc etc blah blah blah...
ffmcmav40 1 month ago
the funny thing is:
Israel is always saying "ANTISEMITISM ANTISEMITISM!" if someone critices them...
But they forgot that PALESTINIANS ARE SEMITS TOO! So... ZIONISM IS THE MOST ANTISEMITIC THING IN THE WORLD!
ahref2 1 month ago
This is the Egyptian dialect you MONG. Bloody liar
PalestineATW 4 months ago
yes, this video s so realistic
xXxMartin96xXx 4 months ago
I do not hate people anywhere i am only against certain politics in the middle east and america no hatred toward people
SR86egy 4 months ago
If you guys dying to know why we hate israel and it's dady ! here is one of the answers /watch?v=__2F9alAL9w
SR86egy 4 months ago
@SR86egy
your video is so intelligent as the US educational system
xXxMartin96xXx 4 months ago
@xXxMartin96xXx I could show you videos of Americans burnning Quran and other videos show hatred toward arabs every side has it's good and bad
SR86egy 4 months ago
@SR86egy
i dont, because i know that's bad, but i dont think what israel does it's bad
xXxMartin96xXx 4 months ago
@xXxMartin96xXx so you don't believe what Israel is doing is bad right ? I am from Egypt and you can say we are their nighboors ofcourse you know what happened recently when they stroke our boarders and killed 8 Egyptian soliders with cold blood and they didn't even put on effort to make it up to us or officialy apologize so simply we kicked their embassidor out of Egypt but here i'd like to share something with you kindly watch these
/watch?v=QF5RgJnD2j0
/watch?v=i1NCyAK3rDA&feature=related
SR86egy 4 months ago
@SR86egy
i am sorry, i wont look the videos because there are like.......um...... 74.2% of chances that is just anti-sionist/anti-jew propaganda
when i say i dont believe its wrong, i mean the ocupation on palestine to destroy HAMAS, however, lots of HAMAS members are in egypt, yes, i do believe what you said was very wrong, that show how a woman president NEVER WORKS!!!, NEVER!!!
PD:
i have to be god if i can get the 50% of your body when i grew at my 25 D:
xXxMartin96xXx 4 months ago
@xXxMartin96xXx Assumption is a wrong thing 2ndly the videos i sent aren't propaganda and if you didn't watch them there are so many will do, Hamas are freedom fighters if some body attacked your house you would do whatever it takes to protect your self I imagine a country attacking my country so when later i carry a gun and resist what would you call me ?it's okay man if we don't agree that doesn't make any of us bad either me and you
body ?what body ? hehe dude you are 31 older than me
SR86egy 4 months ago
@SR86egy
needed to lie in that youtube account....i ma 15, but i think you got a bad idea of what HAMAS does.....
if somebody invade you and you resist, lots of times, it can get wrong, for you, and for everyone, however, that is called "guerrilla" or "resistance", "insurgency" or "rebeld faction".
xXxMartin96xXx 4 months ago
@xXxMartin96xXx I see about the age okay here is the thing you love your country and people invaded it ! wouldn't you resist until you die ? it doesn't matter how long they took the country still they took what doesn't belongs to them trust me the propganda now days is owned by the Zionist loop so this is their job to make others look Evil and cover upon their occupation, what happened from Israel on the Egyptian boarders 2 weeks ago is unforgiven they killed 8 soliders with cold blood
SR86egy 4 months ago
@SR86egy
that zionist propaganda is one of the most biggest internet conspiratons i ever seen, like 70% of the fucking world think that, i never saw it, everywhere i just see "ISRAEL KILL INOCENT PEOPLE" (even if that is not true) and when you see "ISRAEL DO SOMETHING GOOD" you see in the comments "ZIONIST PROPAGANDA, THIS IS FAKE" so, i dont believe in zionist propaganda, also, HAMAS is not a defense group, from the 70's offensive attacks has been reported on israel from them
xXxMartin96xXx 4 months ago
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@bobozmonovski
You ignorant goat fucking twat. Muslims have committed more terrorist attacks around the world than any other group on the planet, so stop your crying. Here's an idea, round up every muslim fuck who occupies Western countries and we will pull out every Jew and Christian from your goat fucking countries.
JewishDefender 6 months ago
This song is horrible regardless of the simple-minded lyrics.
Marchant2 6 months ago
أنا لا أكره اليهود الولايات المتحدة أو إسرائيل ، فأنا لا يروق الصهاينة وجورج دبليو بوش ، وهذا هو السبب في أنني لست الموالية للفلسطيني أو مؤيد لإسرائيل، أريد فقط السلام! أكره حماس والحكومة الإسرائيلية والأمريكية الحكومة! كل الحب سلام أخرى! :)
MegaTessaC 6 months ago
I'll give him an 8 for effort but a 2 for musical content.
Also it's a sad truth these days that pop music is as much about image as it is about talent and he's just too damn fat.
Hyperplaterine 7 months ago
whats do incorect about this?
Wazztheweasel 7 months ago
that was really dumb
Retrorafuse1 7 months ago
I have NEVER heard of this song and Im Lebanese... we definitly do not war, we want peace everywhere in the middle east!
theleb4life 7 months ago 2
america is a terrorist state, they even fit the defenition of terrorists
Welle92 8 months ago
He's right America and Israel are bullies
israelSeedOfSatan 9 months ago
Hahahahaha! this isn't popular, but soo funny ! :)
ChocolateFTW1 9 months ago
I totally agree with contents of this video! If u kill our childrens dont expect flowers from ourside!
shadowofears 10 months ago
wooooow.....
LMA629 10 months ago
Meh. You can find xenophobic, hate-filled vids in the States too, with an opposite message. You can find what you want just about anywhere if you look hard enough, especially on YT.
mmedefarge 11 months ago
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USA USA USA USA
andrewsdope 1 year ago
Fucked lairs Zionists
nsa04 1 year ago
FUCK USA AND FUCK ISRAEL. Im not muslim but u allways try to throw all the shit on the muslims ! Im happy about 9/11 cuz USA deserve that And I hope they get more shit exacly what they do with other countries
MrAndyHaddad 1 year ago
@MrAndyHaddad your a disgusting disgrace if you believe the USA deserved 9/11. It's not the people interfering in other countries, its their government, but it was the innocent people that suffered. If you think 9/11 was a good thing, then you've got something seriously wrong inside your head, because anyone that thinks hundreds and hundreds of people dying is good, needs help. Saying that you hope more stuff like that happens, just shows what an inhumane, freedom hating person you really are.
gadgetgal123 9 months ago
Oi pfict, go fuck ya self. Zionist pig. Look at just about every single of aspect of not just American but Western culture in general that teach hatred of the Middle East, Arabs and Islam. If you can't see that hipocracy you're a fucking idiot or have something blindly (or not) invested in Israel and probably, to a lesser extent the US.
murf69 1 year ago
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gav526 1 year ago
@gav526 Whatever mate, you continue to live your lie. I guess any supporter of Israel would have to remain totally ignorant or lie to themselves like you to justify the existance and actions of Israel. You can't argue with facts mate. Have a look at some of my favourites, educate your self.
murf69 1 year ago
@murf69 The Palestinians were offered to have their own independent state from Britain in 1939 through the Peel Commission, from the UN in 1947 through the Partition of Palestine. They said no since there would also be a Jewish State. Where is the logic in that? And Jordan and Egypt took control of the West Bank and Gaza (when the Palestinians controlled it after the War of Independence) and no one complained...the Palestinians were not treated well by them
gav526 1 year ago
@gav526 And you say that Arabs were kicked out of there home when actually they were told by the community leaders to leave because they were going to "drive Israel into the sea"...well at the same time over 1 million Jews from Arab countries were EXPELLED FROM THEIR HOMES...you my friend are ignoring the facts...please get some history books
gav526 1 year ago
what a bunch of lies and propaganda saying the usa blew up its own towers when there is undisputable proof it was islamic terrorist.what has israel done but try to survive in peace the tunnels are there and the weapons are smuggled in the tunnels i have seen the rockets and the damage caused by them.hamas and islam are terrorist and need wiped out it is not a religion of peace it is a cult of death and hate jesus will return and he will not pick islam as the religion he is a jew we know this
brucegregory 1 year ago
Typical Muslims trying to deny the facts of 9/11.
Islam is the death cult of Satan.
catbells69 1 year ago
Islam is created by satan
Burn the wicked quran.
mattsmoski37 1 year ago
Islam is created by satan
mattsmoski37 1 year ago
the Islamic world is largely broken today
wrldeye12 1 year ago
0:23 to 0:44 Palestinian "You dare not to agree with me?"
llKeon 1 year ago
Well, why not one was built on genocide, the other still makes genocide.
PalestineLemons 1 year ago
Great video. It makes a good point.
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
I LOVE THIS SONG, IT SPEAKS THE TRUTH
Deemz95 1 year ago
The majority of people all want the same thing, love their families, a roof over their heads and food on the table. The US government is EVIL, pure EVIL, it does not matter who the president is, they have always been puppets. Look how they treat their own citizens, bailing out the rich banker fat cats, allowing them to be paid bonuses whilst the average person loses their home to the greedy banks. The American evangelical bible thumping idiot is more dangerous than a muslim
straty01 1 year ago
fuck islam fuck talibans fuck muslims, they are all INFLUENCE OF HATRED in this world and needs to be defeated
buujack 1 year ago
oh arabs...
don't worry we have mutual feelings.
ConstantC4 1 year ago
Hmmm,Whats the only Gov In The M-east who ever attacked american sights?
Whats the Only gov in M-east who attacked american militry ships?
Whats the only Gov in M-east who Spied on US,and got caught many times?
Google it .....
BrightStar329 1 year ago
Popular? I'm Lebanese, and I've never heard of it. We DON'T want war, for the simple reason that we desire to live. But hey, do politicians care about our wants? They know better, don't they?
DeadVampire2 1 year ago 17
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shizmit11 1 year ago
1. i will tell u i am joking, but only if u b kind enough to tell me what do u think about this Arab intellectual saying so, asI DID NOTHING other than quoting him.
copy-paste this: Al Jazeera arab self-criticism MEMRI TV
2. Is there a good reason y can't i hear your answers to my arguments?
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 1 year ago
Great song!
mouzikaa 1 year ago
catchy.....
thespadeinator 1 year ago
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@uhayel35 @uhayel35
and get this thru.
More westerners begin to understand Israel's case and that means there is no such thing Muslims labeling a westerner "racist". IT SIMPLY DOES NOT EXISTTTT! u only expose your ignorance, 7th-century-mindset.
U MUSLIMS R SIMPLY NOT FIT TO LIVE IN THIS 21st CENTURY WORLD.
we're not racists only b-coz u we express out loud how inferior and animals u r. We don't threaten to murder antiJewish Muslim cartoonist, yet u call me racist... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 1 year ago
It would better if the singer had some information to back up his claims.
Earchiel 1 year ago
Wasn't Egypt supposed to lick the West and Israel's ass?We should do something,so these camelfuckers will learn once and for all.
valeagathon 1 year ago
This is Egyptian not Lebanese
USATito 1 year ago
dude this guy is from egypt and he doesnt top any chart he sucks :)
im from lebanon and i can honestly say that this guy doesn't represent anything!!!
we lebanese love america and are opened to all cultures and relegions
moudyt 1 year ago
this is comical, the singer looks like a faggot and this song is gay
GO USA
GO ISRAEL
SUNSNARE06 1 year ago
Another case of blatant anti semtism. The song has no real logic and like the singer it calls for hate. The Lebanese Hezballah is on the same
pairing as The Palestinian's Hamas. The Green head bands make them look stupid.
cdatzker 1 year ago
shabaan abdel rahim is a dbag
vadimzdonutube 2 years ago
Rave is the truth no doubt
Almahel 2 years ago
Can you imagine a guy like this topping the charts in the west? He's wearing those pants like a senior citizen, with the belt pulled up over his pot belly. And seriously, political subject matter in a music video clip? Don't these people ever give it a bone?
skepticoz 2 years ago
WTF lebanon has nothin to do wit this....dis guys accent is egyptian.....the person dat made dis video must really hate lebanon cause lebanon loves america
hotty1100 2 years ago
I read Brigitte Jibril's book about Muslim hatred for infidels in general. I believe her.
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago
jews are just criminals and terrorists who are thirsty for human blood like vampires
arabidima 2 years ago
Jews are good people, those are just lies you learned. Radical Muslims are terrorist blowing them selfs up in big crowds so that they can go to heaven.
TheWaronislam 2 years ago
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i love this song
q8no0na 2 years ago 2
At 0:10 the earth is turning backwards.
PikPobedy 2 years ago 9
@PikPobedy
it kinda is the joke..
hasanrules 1 year ago
Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya'qoub stated on Al-Rahma TV in January 2009: "If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. ...
Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing."
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Crazily enough, there is a news report already about another Radical Muslim faction tied to Al-Qaeda (named Jund Ansar Allah) is erupting conflict in Gaza right now with a gun fight and attempts of detonating bombs in the Ansar compound. Looks like Hamas might be losing Its grip already. Things are just getting crazier and crazier over there. I'll fill you in more If I get any more reports on this.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Take my advice, support Fatah, not Hamas!
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Neopolitik2009
well said.
ma3rooof 2 years ago
Religion = War
jjg195 2 years ago
anyone here aware that a propaganda film based on religious superiority and racism called, "the life of the jews in palestine" became very popular in Israel around 2000? I think it's important to remember that very rarely, is an entire group of people represented by the dangerous actions of those in their community. Zionists do not represent jews as a whole, neoconservative christians don't represent americans as a whole, and extremist muslims dont represent muslims or arabs as a whole.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
@Neopolitik2009 well said
uhayel35 1 year ago
You know what's funny arabs complain about racism here in the U.S,but show racist cartoons to lil kids.Totally screwed up sh*thole!
Ocean3589 2 years ago
Do my brothers and sisters really honestly believe thay can get to heaven by preaching hate! Hate is the opposite of god or to be cut off Forever and ever! Just ask Jesus for help and you will be answered. God Bless you may come to Christ and stop being deluded
gazbd1 2 years ago
INFIDEL!!!
HeartBreak1x 2 years ago
wow this is the kind of cartoons that they watch in these screwed up arab countries and territories? They don't even have family guy?! No wonder they're all pissed off, ignorant, anti- Israeli Jihadists.
SupportDemocracyNow 2 years ago
you are an embarassment to any effort titled "the support of democracy". Racist generalizations like "screwed up arab countries and territories" have no place in the fight for democracy. And Israel doesn''t deserve to attach itself to the american standard of democracy. They come nowhere close. And the current "jihadist" attitude was largely inspired by Zionism and the actions of Israel.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Man u r sooooo ignorant
I'm not even sure u can b anyhow cured.
nonetheless, u really don't need to teach me of my own past, but if i can't convinve u that u r an ignorant, maybe a much more reliable source can: go to google [unless u consider even it to a "zionist propogansa"] and search "Pleasure Excursion to the Holy Land" by Mark Twain saying he never saw any soul in this land!!!
now, Arabs came here only bcoz of economical resons, from ARABIA - THAT'S Y THEY'RE ARABS!!!
IGNORANTTTTTTTT
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
HAHAHA fuck you and mark twain you tool. I don't know from which scizophrenic visions you sourced your definition of truth, but it is twisted. You base your historical argument on the writings of fucking MARK TWAIN, and you're on youtube acting like this front against "the ignorants"? Dude, you so fucking laughable. I love youtube.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
A-HA, how very typical for a brainless islamist like u r to express your madness but never coming up with concrete answers to ,my questions: WHERE IN THE QURAN R "PALESTINE" "ALQUDS" (NOT ALAQSA, BUT ALQUDS]
idiot, AlAqsa only means "remotest", "most distant" it doesn't yet mean specifically jerusalem. fucking muhi only DREAMT about jerusalem
as long as u dont specifically answer, then thnx so much for exposing your islamic personality and dont forget to scream "allah akbar" like the animal u r
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
nice work. That's all you insecure and denial ridden Israel supportes now how to do. "you're an anti-semite" or "the blood of the jews is on your hands" or "you support rape" or"you're an islamist" WHAT THE FUCK ARE TALKING ABOUT? I have never ONCE been called an islamist. What motivated you to say that?, And you never asked me a question. what was I supposed to answer? huh? And one day, if Israel starts fucking up oil markets, the US military might have Israel in it's sights. pretty realistic.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
u r WRONG again in your last sentence.
now i offer u the chance to answer SPECIFICALLY to my questions. Watch also for ZUHEIR MUHSSEIN a top PLO man admitting the "Palestine" is a myth, and don't forget to answer me where in the quran "Palestine" and "Alquds" not alaqsa, but "alquds"
please b a big boy: reply only if u have SPECIFIC answers to my SPECIFIC questions
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
then why don't you ask me some questions? and don't try and argue with abstract historical or religious bullshit. I don't own a copy of the quran, the bible, or the torah. you are arguing with a secular american. Now make your point for Israel. "the ignorant" is waiting.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Gladly I will, but u first answer my questions, then I answer yours. and u dont have to have a copy of the quran in an age of google.
Now here is the deal, as long as u don't tell me the very quranic chapter, then MAKE SURE "PALESTINE" "ALQUDS" BOTH NEVER SHOW FOR ONCE! and i still urge u -IF U HAVE THE GUTS TO - go to Wikipedia and c 4 yourself ZUHEIR MUHSSEIN, his position and admition that "Palestine" is a fiction
"Palestine" is a fiction
and I dont care what's your origin
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
so should I list all the jews in history who have said that Israel is a sham? I'm not worried about the stamp of "legitimacy" for either country, I just want to know why Israel shouldn't be made a pariah state given it's actions. Can you argue on a pragmatic basis, or do you just type convoloted half-sense messages trying to attack credibiilty? Even if palestine never existed as you argue, you think Israel is justified in taking land?
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
I;m affraid that 500 charecters r not enough but i'll do my best.
assumubg that the land isn't israel's is already outrages from the firstlace. Jews, have always been here in this land even in minor numbers, but were kicked out from by various empires. Now Jews r back to reclaim what is theirs from the firstplace. Arabs, though - coming from ARABIA, THAT'S Y THEY'RE A-R-A-B-S - set foot here only in 1920 bcoz they were after living options here. NEVER b4 there was a state called "Palestine"
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
If only there was a state called "Palestine" as u suggest israelis "stole", may u kindly answer: who was "palestine"'s first premiere? who were its neighbours? how did its literature and currency ever look like? Never there is any serious evidence for that.
BUT, go again to wikipedia [it's a reliable source] and search "dead sea caves" so u can c fragments of Torah scrolls perfectly preserved all these years with ancient Hebrew handwriting for evidence.
Dude, Jews r the rightful landlords!
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
there was an entire community of arabs, jews, christians, etc, living in Jerusalem under the ottoman empire in the early 1900s, before the zionist movement gathered steam. I thnk that's a pretty well known fact. Denying that would be like denying the holocaust. When it comes to who has supreme ownership over the land, that is irrelevant. Reclamation of land is a disastorous idea, and Israel's refusal to stop reclamation and follow international law has put it on the path to the pariah club.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
and palestine wasn't a "state" in the sense that Israel is now, but it was a multi-ethnic region referred to by the ottoman empire as "palestine", and Jerusalem had an arab mayor at the end of the 19th century, who was telling Theodor Herzl to refrain from bringing in large amounts of Jewish immigrants because he knew that Zionism would screw everything up, which it did. An argument based on palestine never existing is just....wrong.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
let me ask you this. lets say I concede your point and I say that Israel is the rightful landlord or whatever, and that palestine never existed (bullshit), would you say Israel is in a good position? Would you say the world is on Israel's side? How long do you think Israel will survive if they keep doing what they are doing? Instead of worrying about who's right, Israel needs to start worrying about who might be FUCKED in the end.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
u completely misrepresnting the facts and i'm not gonna forcr u out of your ignorance here. as for your question: israel has very few friends just as the media is leftist in most western world and just as most westen world is dumb as it lives in denail of the islamic threat. watch "obsession" for more idea.
Palestine is a name rreffering only a GEOGRAPHIC are, NOT NATIONAL! and Joradn (formerly known as Trans-Palestine) is the real home for palestinians, as 2/3 of jordanians r palestinians
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
you can't even dent my "ignorance" because you couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag. REGIONAL or NATIONAL, you're talking about a REGION or a NATION where a diverse group of people had made their homes. And jews will say that they used to own the land, and that may be true, but thinking you can just "reclaim" something is foolish. And that foolishness is why Israel is isolated, NOT because the "leftist" western media.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
and the American media practically sucks Israel's balls on a daily basis. During the recent Gaza war, you never heard ONE arguemnt for palestine. All you heard was, "well hamas is sending rockets and breaking cease-fires so we have to go in and fight "terrorism". They make no mention of the history, the make no reference of the IDF's war crimes, their commentary guests were invariably pro-israel. The media has played no part in Israel's isolation. Israel has the power and they're still losing.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
and saying that the west is in denial of the "islamist threat" is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Let's just ignore the billions spent on "national security" to guard against the "jihadist threat", and the constant media barrage of al-qaeda recordings and Ahmedinejad's crazy rhetoric and muslim propaganda films and so on and so on and so on. Remember the color warning system of the bush admin? How is the west in denial of islamic extremism?.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
so is that what can be expected of somebody calling themselves "Israel VS the ignorants"? you're done already? See, paper thin arguments get exhausted quickly, don't they? just know, in the next 20-30 years, Israel will abandon you. You'll see what Israel has done for the jews and you will feel betrayed. You'll know that they have betrayed your integrity, your indentity, your future, your safety, everything. You'll see it and I hope the memory of this conversation smacks you upside the reality.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
LOLLLL idiot neopolitik
I'm an Israeli and Israel so far is only country which provided security to Jews in Israel. LOLLLLL the anti-terror barries since it was set up in 2003, proved itself in 98.5% of would-be palestininan suicide bombings.
And u r a one hell of a prick who will NEVER E-V-E-R b cured
BTW dude, what is your identity?
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
yeah keep laughing. Israel provides security to JEWS ONLY and treats palestinians like animals to be killed. You're walls might keep suicide bombers out, but it's mark of shame on that land and only speaks to Israeli ignorance. Just remember what I said. Israel will ABONDON you. Their politics and practices will inevitably KILL YOUR SECURITY. The world is already against you. You will fail. Jews will lose their "homeland" and their fall will be a testament to their evil. and yours.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
and when it comes to identity, I'd rather be a poor uneducated palestinian cripple, than a rich and healthy Israeli. Your countries expansion was carried out with Nazi principles and the world knows it. 20-30 years tops, Israel will be a pariah. The world is waking up to your evil, and that old trusty "holocaust-sympathy" violen is getting worn. The strings have been frayed by your shameless cronies in the US, and your days in "security" are numbered.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
neopoloitik, LOL, only the way u speak i can c that u r a fucking anti-semtie of the worst level. "israel will abandon me" yeahhhh... just as your beloved saddam declared that americans lost and just as your Hamas idol declare israel loses, where in fact ISRAEL WON AND H-U-M-I-L-I-A-T-E-D U FUCKING MUSLIMS LOL
"World wakes up against Israel"???? idiot! in case u hadn't noticed, the world wakes up against ISLAMOFACISTS like u.
watch fitna & obsession
dude, u r the face of "palestinianism"
ISRAELvsIGNORANTS 2 years ago
nice. I've reached the end of your line. The anti-semite claim came out. That's what I was waiting for. At least you had the balls to wait for a bit before busting it out. And the world is against Israel.Your cronies in the states trap our politicians into vetoing the countles anti-israel UN resolutions meant to stop the crimes of your beloved IDF. You're such a racist, nazi, fucking terrorist. The day that America can wash it's hands of Israel will be the happiest day of my life.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
and calling me a muslim is foundless, just another little "insecure israeli" tactic. It's the same thing you idiots always do. I assume next you'll be telliing me that you want to fuck my skull or something right? All I've seen from Israelis defending their country is ignorance, stupidity, denial, racism, fascism, absolute hysteria, and above all, claims of anti-semitism. Victimhood is the weakest form of life.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
and if you want to throw "educational" videos my way, why don't you check out "People and the Land", and then talk to me about racism.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
lol, actually when I come to think of It, Hamas already abandoned their own people already for their own struggle for power, they are the real oppressors, whether murdering Jewish families, to butchering defenseless Fatah, to slaughtering event their own people for questioning their motives. It should have already come clear to you that Isreal has not and never will abandon the Jews, especially when wicked terrorists like Hamas still exist.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
actually, Israel WILL abondon the Israelis by failing to maintain a politically viable state, and by bringing unofficial doctrines of slow transfer into the ranks of the IDF. These things have made a joke out of Israel, and the only country who doesn't know it YET, is America. You can say what what you want about Hamas. Jews kill each other, fight each other, but more importantly, have created more of a terrorist profile for themselves than could be earned by any other terrorist organization.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
the integrity of Israel's support within America is on such thin ice. The Israelis think that Americans have such a deep emotional connection with the jews. BS. The only reason America hasn't sent Israel to the basement of International relations, is because groups like AIPAC make it virtually impossible for anyone in Congress to challenge their influence. But I can polarize your average american against Israel in a matter of minutes, even if all they've seen so far is Hamas and their rockets.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
so you keep laughing and convincing yourself of the supremecy of Israel and the Jews, and in 20 years or less, when Americans say "no more", I'll be laughing and you'll just be speechless.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
lol, yeah, If It event happens. Those Americans in America support Isreal, not Obama because he's Pro-Palestinian, just watch, in just over 3 years Obamas 1st and most likely last term will be up, he'll be out of office being event more hated than George Bush. To think that of how many that accuse Isreal of "Racism" and "Oppression", are hypocrites themselves, damn, Palestinians there get rights to Medicare, Insurance, and have more rights than event in most Muslim countries altogether. lol
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Obama sucks Israel's cock, while making peace speeches to Muslims. This is called "playing the game" He knows what kind of influence AIPAC has, but he doesn't blindly demonize muslims like Jews do. You think he'll have only one term, because you believe Americans support Israel. WRONG. Americans will say "I support Israel" because they know NOTHING. Like I said, I can take the people who pay for Israel's lonely little existence, and turn them against the terrorist state in a matter of minutes.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
There are many Americans supporting Isreal that know alot about them, Hamas not just murder Jewish families in Isreal, they also Murder Fatah Muslims and Hamas Dissedents. Obamas policies between Israelis and Palestinians show he bends more towards the Palestinians than the Israelis. Also, Israelis gave medical aid (Including hospital services) to Muslims like Iraqi, Somali, Fatah, and event HAMAS Muslims (There is a video of a female suicide bomber who tried to bomb a hospital, she failed).
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
don't you find it strange that every argument you place for Israel is based on the actions of some other muslim country that's not even part of the conversation? Iran is fucked up, but we don't send them huge amounts of money and we condemn them and politically isolate them. Israel actually executes the kind of actions called for by Ahmedinejad (Israel actually kills residents of foreign countries without provocation, where Iran just talks about it), so we should treat Israel the same way/worse.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
lol, and in 20 years from now, with Microsoft Isreal making the most advance computer technology and the Arabs being educated and earn some of the best degrees around, great water filters, incredible Medical breakthroughs..... If Isreal is still around along with those other Muslim countries being major tech trading partners, I would laugh my ass off to death and you might commit suicide! lol
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
and you want to boast about Israel's technological advantage/contributions, while Israel's per-capita GDP is less than SIngapore's. Yeah, Israel is impressive. Please. and when it comes to Israel's treatment of Arabs, no list of Israel-educated Arabs could ever justify what Israel has done to Palestine and the Palaestinians. You feed off of all this propaganda bullshit pushed by the Israeli government's PR department. And Muslim countries being screwed-up doesn't justify Israel being screwed up.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Microsoft Isreal is more than enough proof that Israeli technology in some aspects event surpases event American.
Iran screwed up relations between Israeli and Palestinian relations by using Fascist groups like Hamas in Gaza just to stir up madness and put a bad turn in Israeli politics, so yeah, you are paying for Iran and Hamas's corruption.
I don't know where you come up with this stuff, but It's pretty strange.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
When it comes to actions against Israel, Hamas is doing exactly what every American would do if some foreign country came and started dominating us. We would bomb them, shoot rockets at them, kill them, probably worse. And hamas was not some proxy force sent by Iran. YOU are the one producing "strange information". But I'm out for tonight, have fun with your xbox you ignorant fascist.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Hamas dominates Its own populus along with against other Palestinians and supports Pedophilia and you call me an ignorant Fascist while I'm actually a Conservative Republican defending Isreal against real Fascists who treat their own people like they treat their enemies. Hamas uses the Nazi solute themselves, supporting the Fascist ideology of Nazism. I'm not a Fascist, the Fascists were right under your nose the whole time.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Hamas is 100% evil.
Palestine is an imaginary country that never existed.
Hamas and Fatah kill more innocent Palestinians than they do Jews. So even if you hate Jews, like you do, why do you support them.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
yeah can you tell me where I said that I support Hamas? This is an issue of communication. Criticism of Israel DOES NOT equate to supporting hamas or terrorist tactics. I don't support hamas. I think Hamas is only making life more difficult for the people in Gaza, BUT, you can't be suprised that the PALESTINIANS in Gaza voted them in, because these moderate leaders couldn't produce anything. If it were the American attitude in Gaza, you could expect for worse than Hamas.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Ok. But what you fail to realize is that under the "horrible" occupation, from 1967 - 1993, when the Palestinians in the area began to be governed by the PLO, the economy grew at a fairly rapid rate. It was one of the top economies in the world, growing faster than even Israel. People had jobs. Things were safe for the Palestinians and the Jews. And then the PLO took over and they started the problems.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
listen, you can't point to the failed politics of the palestinians before you point to the way they are treated by Israel. They are treated like animals. I know Israelis have been hit by suicide bombers and homemade rockets, but in a numbers game Israel will look guilty every time, and by a mile. shit...TEN miles. And your argument about the PLO doesn't make sense. Are you trying to convince me that that the majority of the people in Gaza have been turned into terrorists by militant Islam?
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
The PLO and Hamas leaders are animals that should be put down like animals. And if you REALLY cared about the Palestinians, as opposed to simply hating Jews / Zionism you would feel the same way. They killed thousands of their own people, stolen tons of food and other humanitarian aid and committed a million and one crimes against their own people and other Arabs. THAT is why the Palestinians have nowhere to go. No Arab country will allow them to become citizens.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Ok. So my question for you, is what Israeli oppression caused the PLO and their allies to murder in Lebanon, in cold blood at least 100,000 innocent Christian Arabs. What "crime" of Israel, caused the Palestinians to declare war on one of the only countries that had given them shelter, Jordan and try to overthrow the king? What "crime" of Israel, caused the Palestinians to support Saddam's mudrer of millions of his own Arab Muslim citizens?
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Israel IS the crime. One's claim to a homeland shouldn't override circumstance. You say "who cares what those old leaders said". Well those were the people that created your beloved Israel. Those were the messages they circulated to the jewish population as zionists propaganda. What they said and how they approached the creation of their new homeland is at the core of this discussion.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
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modelfan1979 2 years ago
"Those good Jews brought civilization and peace to the Arab Muslims, and they dispersed gold and prosperity over Palestine without damage to anyone or taking anything by force. Despite this, the Muslims declared holy war against them and did not hesitate to massacre their children and women... "
The statement is from a letter sent to the French Prime Minister in June 1936 by six Syrian Alawi notables (the Alawis are the ruling class in Syria today) in support of Zionism.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
and the Balfour Declaration was a three sentence letter secured through a vague aquaintance with some British cabinet members. The jews in Israel always seem to think that the arabs should be thanking them, which is bullshit, and besides, how often do you hear Israelis and jews thank Americans for keeping their country alive and fighting all these wars on terror that Israel is supposedly a part of but can never fight in (unless it's against a civilian population of course).
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
They should. The Jews are far kinder to the Arabs than the Arabs are to the Jews. For example, the Jews allow a million Arabs to live within their state. Most Muslim states, for example, Saudi Arabia, don't allow any Jews within their borders. Whether you want to face it or not, the Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest are enemies of the West as well as Israel. Their goal is to establish a global Islamic state, starting with Israel.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
and I KNOW that muslims kill each other, zionists always feel the need to remind me of that for some reason. But what I am concerned about, as an American, is that we are funding a movement that fuels hatred against us, that we, as Americans, pay for, in both cash and blood. Israel is politically retarded, and we need to cut our relationship with them. What, I should pay for Israelis to embarass themselves and the US because palestinians and muslims are this and that?
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
No. You are still confused.
Our actions have nothing to do with Islamic hatred of the West. This hatred is part of how they interpert their holy books.
For example, have you heard of the Barbary wars? Muslims carried out a number of attacks agianst American ships in the late 18th, early 19th century. We had to raise a Navy, sail to the Middle East, attack the Muslim states that had declared war on us and defeat them. The said that they had to attack us becuase we are infidels.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Ok. Then why don't you complain about our suport of the Arab states, which is far more extensive than our support of Israel? For example, we give three times more money to the Arab states than Israel. We also have signed an agreement with Saudi Arabia to protect them with American troops and arms in case they are attacked. Saudi Arabia and the other Arab states, spew anti-Western, anti-American hatred and are the main sources of this propoganda. Why don't you complain about them?
modelfan1979 2 years ago
the world does not revolve around pretty ideals or moral integrity. If that were the case, Israel would not exist. The world revolves around cold hard political realities. In my view, in my reality, anti-americanism is a concern, but losing our leverage over ME oil is MUCH more of a concern. Saudi arabia also funds all those mudrassas where they recruit teenagers into the taliban, but we used to feed and arm these guys, and now we're fighting them. The narrative shifts with immediate interests.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
When Americans are struggling to pay for their healthcare, their home values have fallen below their level of debt, the US owes $11 trillion dollars...pragmatism is the only approach. Israel stoakes anti-americanism, bottomline. The question is, is it worth it? The answer is no. and in fact, Israel receives, per-capita, more US aid than any other country. It also enjoys all these special terms for the aid, like having it disbursed within 30 days and never having to report how it is spent.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
If our support is the problem, why are the Islamic radicals attacking the UK and Europe? They don't support Israel, in fact they are very critical of the Jewish state?
Israel helps us far more than the Arab states do. For example, during the cold war they provided critical intelligence for example, regarding a new type of Russian plane.
You still haven't answered my questions. Why don't you oppose the aid which goes to the Arab countries, which directly fund anti-American propoganda.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
they attack the UK probably because they have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. (And the BBC actually blocked an appeal for donations to Gaza, I don't think the british media is all that critical of Israel) And our support of Israel isn't the only thing stoaking anti-americanism, but it's a source of it that just isn't worth it. Lawrence Wilkerson, Chief of staff to Colin Powell 2000-2005 said, "Israel is a strategic burden on the United States of America"
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Ok. Then why are the Arab states begging Obama to let Israel attack Iran. Saudi Arabia and Jordan are deperate for Israel or the US to go in and bomb the Iran nuclear sites. If Israel is so bad, why are they urging the US to give Israel the green light to do this?
modelfan1979 2 years ago
well it's pragmatism. They are not necessarily supportive of Israel, they just don't want Shia-Iran to get their hands on nukes. and honestly, if there was some foreign country pushing to bomb Israel, then Saudi Arabia would probably give a thumbs up to that as well. And if the "bomb Iran" idea is so great, then why hasn't the US supported it? Because it would be massively unitelligent, thats why.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
My point of view is all options are on the table. Hopefully it won't come to bombing, but if it does it does. Iran can't get nukes. They can't and this must be prevented at all costs.
Saudi Arabia and the other Arab countries have already tried to destroy Israel several times. They lost each time. They are relgious fanatics that believe that their religion directs them to kill all Jews and Christians.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Why wouldn't Iran want nukes? Do you think you can truly disarm Iran without acknowledging why they are pursuing them? Look around Iran, they are surrounded by nuclear American forces, and the US invaded Iraq on very shady intelligence and turned it into a nightmare. Ahmadenijad would think, "I'm not going to be next". And then look at Pakistan, they''ve been supporting the Taliban for years. They're the ones that sold the nuke tech to Iran! Why no sanctions on Pakistan? they have nukes!
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Because it is run by genocidal lunatics who want to establish a global Islamic state, headed by the Islamic messiah, the mahdi. They believe that they need to exterminate the Jews in and out of Israel in order for this to occur and they plan on starting a nuclear war with Israel to start and plan to sacrifice at least 15 million of their own people in this pursuit. They are very clear about their aims in Persian, translations of their statements on this are all over the Internet.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Martin Van Crevald, an Israeli military historian, and the only foreigner that US military officers are required to study, said, "I don't see Ahmadenijad as crazy at all. He is just doing exactly what I would do in his place". He is building nukes for much more practical reasons, not so that he can start ww3 and summon the madhi. Do you think he believes that he can do anything when America or Israel could land a nuke right in the center of tehran, most likely in less than 12 hours?
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Ok. Then why does he say he is building nukes so the mahdi will return?
He spends millions of dollars on centers which promote the idea of the immenient return of the mahdi, the Islamic savior. Since the mahdi is said to be hiding in a well, he tosses government documents down a well which he is thought to inhabit. Khameni has spoken of his willingness to sacrifice 15 million Persians in order to bring about "victory for Islam" though extermination of the Jews and their state.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
I'm really not trying to paint the perfect picture of Iran, but you said it yourself earlier when you were discrediting the statements of the early zionists. You said that actions are what matters, not words. So even if they are saying all this radical shit, fact of the matter is, they make one false move and they are toast. That simple. And I believe they know it. Nuclear US forces in almost every part of the ME, and nukes sitting in Israel. Iran wouldn't live to see the return of any mahdi.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Yes. The diffrence is that the Jews haven't tried to carry out a systematic destruction of the Muslims around the world. The Muslims do have this goal and have tried several times to exterminate the Jews. The first of these attempts took place before the establishment of Israel. Muslims supported Hitler and his final solution and wanted him to conquer the Middle East so they could setup death camps and exterminate their Jews. When this failed they fought several wars to try to accomplish this.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
and have you seen the video of Ahmadenijad meeting with orthodox jews in NYC, and hugging and shaking hands with them? They actually gave Ahmadenijad an award, for his "sweetness and love" and for understanding the difference between zionism and judaism. And aren't their large jewish communities inside Iran?
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
This is meaningless. I know of these Jews. They are sadly deluded. Jews are allowed in Iran, but they have very few right and have been persecuted. They are allowed to live but are considered Dhimmis, lesser people with fewer rights than Muslims. And the Jewish community in Iran has shrunk to only a few thousand, if that.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Iranians aren't allowed in Israel.
lpjz87 2 years ago
Iranian Jews are.
The reason Iranians can't visit Israel is becuase there government won't let them. Similar situation to Saudi Arabia. They don't want their citizens to visit Israel either.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Yeah ?
what about Jordanians ? and the rest of Arab countries ?
They can't visit Israel, although their governments don't say a thing about it !
lpjz87 2 years ago
Once those countries recognize Israel's right to exist and cease trying to complete the holocaust, I'm sure Israel would welcome people from those areas.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
does the US bar every Saudi Arabian? Every Afghan, Iraqi, Palestinian, Syrian, or Lebanese? NO. This is one of the many reasons why it makes me so angry when Israel and it's supporters, say that the US and Israel share a special bond in their common committment to democracy, equality, and freedom. They also say that we are linked in our fight against terrorism. How many IDF troops fought in Iraq? ZERO. How many IDF troops in Afghanistan? ZERO. How many Americans killed? over 5000. IDF? ZERO!
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
regardless of what kind of jews they are, that's mahmoud ahmadinejad hugging jews. Now wouldn't a fervent islamic fundamentalist bent on the killing of jews in and out of Israel (as we're led to believe he is) not really care what type of jews they were either? How can I see something like that and then buy into all this crap sold by groups like AIPAC and FOX news. "Ahmadinejad is the new hitler". Maybe, but so far, Israel has been more provocative than Iran. Iran talks, Israel walks.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
It is called propoganda.
And you are deluded. You need to simply listen to or watch some of the statements from ahmadinejad in Farsi. He is very clear about his goals to wipe out the Jews. He and Khameni are extremely clear about their goals. Fox News, has as its second largest shareholder a Saudi Arabian prince, so they have, if anything toned down some of these statements.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
if I'm deluded than you are extremist. I see Israel as more terrorist than ANYONE. And if Ahmadinejad and Khameni are so clear about their intention to start ww3 and finish the holocaust, why hasn't the US bombed them? If their intention is so clear, why would the US be pushing for negotiations with Iran? I don't see any US president meeting with a leader that is so clearly committed to finishing the holocaust. And Israel sold weaponry to Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. Anti-tank missiles.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Ok. You need to watch his statements about the Jews and Islamic Mahdi in Farsi. He and the grand leader believe they need to wipe Israel off the map and kill every Jew within it, to hasten the coming of the Mahdi, the Islamic savior.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
The Iranian regime is also planning on attacking the Sunni countries, possibly with nuclear weapons, according to the Egyptians, since they are infidel nations in the minds of the Shiite.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Ok. Then why don't you oppose the aid we send to the Arab states as well? We give far more aid to the Arabs than we give to the Jews? Why don't you oppose giving aid to the other countries we give aid to? Why don't you oppose the money we spend defending Europe?
modelfan1979 2 years ago
we give more aid to jews than to arabs. You need to understand that. Per-capita, we send Israel $500 a person every year. When was the last time you got $500 bucks from the governemnt for free (other than those rare stimulus packages of course)? And if our power wasn't dependent on Saudi Arabia's oil, then I would say "cut ties". But if we do, then we lose leverage to China and Russia, and then my kids will pay twice as much for consumer goods because we didn't want an arab burning our flag.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
If you are truly only concerned about money, you should be opposed to the aid given to the Arabs as well. Why don't you oppose giving money to them as well? If you support Saudi Arabia fine. Then why don't you want aid cut to all other countries? Hatred of Europe and the West predates the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions. As I said before, it dates back to the beginning of the US. Why is that?
modelfan1979 2 years ago
listen, as long as it serves the interest of the american people, whether they be jewish, muslim, christian, black, white, asian, latino, WHATEVER...as long as this country can provide for it's people and keep them safe, i say "fantastic". it might sound cold and materialistic, but I refer to a quote from Saul Alinksy: "The means and ends moralists always end up on their ends with no means".
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
and here is my question for you. Do you think the world is on Israel's side?
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Do you think the world is really, trully on America's side? No. Not really.
Luckily, popularity doesn't determine whether someone or something is in the right or not. Unowrkable, harmful ideas can be popular. Workable ideas, such as cutting taxes, can be unpopular.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
and if Palestine never existed, then why did the Balfour Declaration call for the support of a jewish homeland in PALESTINE? Why do so many zionists documents include the word, "palestine'? Palestine was never a state like you could call Israel a state, but it was a place full of people making a life for themselves. If you want to call that a "non-existent fantasy", then go ahead, but it's just stupid and it doesn't help anything.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago
Palestine is a territory, always has been for thousands of years. The Romans named it that after they defeated the Jewish armies.
The people known now as Palestinians are simply Arabs from surrounding areas. They referred to themselves as Syrians before 1948. The Jews called themselves Jewish Palestinians. But there never was a country called Palestine.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
When you say palestine never existed, you're trying to make the point that when the arabs try to claim palestine as their own, they have no right to do so. Palestine never existed so how can they claim it? Why do they have to create conflict with us? well the zionists completely failed to use common sense. They knew that the only way for the zionist movement to succeed, was to commit to good relations with arabs, but that would have created to many limitations. They wanted their jewish homeland.
Neopolitik2009 2 years ago