Rifqa Bary's Parents

[cleverfeller]

There must be some reason the girl doesn't want to live with her parents in a free country. Nobody is forcing her to be a christian. There must be a reason.

[3alazagg]

man, they are harmless! fuck the media for brainwashing people!!!

[wolfgang756]

They look totally reasonable and telling the truth.

[merouby]

It's the parent's fault to allow her girl to be brainwashed

[Dpesh7]

her parents dont seem extremist but u never know what happens behind closed doors

[JusticeForPeace]

I have to agree with you regarding this point:

To me, Islam is the truth, the absolute truth. Quran is the direct words of our creator, the one and the only God.

I also believe that Islam is the most misunderstood, the most misrepresented religion on Earth. And in fact, I'm confident that whatever misconception you may claim/believe, Islam has answers for it.

However, this video is not about the religion of Islam, or about Muslims. This video is about a minor taken away from her guardians!

[JusticeForPeace]

Danjorgen,

Being previously Muslim means that you know a lot about Islam. You must know about Quran (the holy book of Muslims) and Sunnah (the tradition of Prophet Mohammed PBUH). Instead of talking about Iran and Muslim countries, why don't you quote Quran and Sunnah. Bring your proof instead of bluffing.

[JusticeForPeace]

Your last point summarizes it all. We are talking about a minor taken/running away from her parents. Your justification for this is that her parents are Muslims!

Why don't you work on a legislation that takes away Muslim babies, and give them to devout christians?

This kind of mentality is what leads to a lot of chaos, confrontations, and violence in the world. Adults are free to choose their religions, and minors are to remain with their parents until they mature.

Use your minds people!

[JusticeForPeace]

your statement stems from hatred to Islam, and not backed by any evidence. When I stated the facts about Islam's stand on saying the truth, I attached my references, where are yours?

[ANGELxINxDESARKNS]

Certainly today Islam is the most dangerous religion. Christianity today is not violent today, but the Evangelists like these are good at brainwashing. But then again muslims can make kids run into crowded areas and blow themselves up, so they still are the most dangerous

[ANGELxINxDESARKNS]

i agree that all religions are stupid and brainwashing, but christianity is a lot more dangerous than islam, as it has actually caused the most deaths for any religion in wars, cults, etc.

[besmb2105]

@ANGELxINxDESARKNS

"christianity is more dangerous than islam".

Sure, christians are the ones who burn books,and promise death to "infidels", if they get insulted in these days.

Cough* cough*

[scarab088]

i left islam one year ago and have gone to the same mosque her parents went to the same mosque my dad goes to. i feel sorry for rifqa and want her to express her christianity and her rights, Jesus help her and us all.

[abbienetvision]

scarab,

Congrats on leaving the filthy Islam behind. I wish you peace, happiness and love in your life as a non-Muslim. Any person who loves peace and reads the koran, will leave Islam,

Thanks for showing yourself here and G-d bless you.

[JusticeForPeace]

Lying is not allowed in Islam. The Prophet, PBUH, said, Beware of telling lies, because lies lead to sin and sin leads to the Hell fire. In another hadith someone asked the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, whether or not a believer could be a coward or stingy and he said that that could be possible. But when he was asked whether or not a believer could be a liar he said, never. In another hadith he described lying as being one of the characteristics of the hypocrites.

[abbienetvision]

just,

Taqiyya is the word for lying in the koran. Do you still claim it is not allowed? Since Taqiyya is lying and is allowed in the koran!

Mohammed was a war monger, rapist, pedophile, took slaves, hit women, murdered thousands. What is great about any of these things?

The Evil Truth About Prophet Muhammad

v=Gb3dqeeC0Us

[JusticeForPeace]

Thanks for the link, go read my response there.

Go read verse 16:105-106, and educate yourself.

Muslims don't lie!

[RaccoonAvatar]

In Canada Aqua Parvez was told that her parents where okay with her western ways so she returned home and was killed by her father. In the U.S.A. Amina and Sarah Said were told by their family that it was safe for them to return home where they were seeking shelter from her aunt and they believed it and returned home to be killed by their father. You can't believe what the followers of mohammad (PissBUH) tell you because they practice Taqiyah (we call it lying).

[merouby]

@RaccoonAvatar Dude, you don't even know what 'Taqiyah' is. First, it's only used when YOUR LIFE is in danger because you are Muslim (like during the Inquisition when Christians killed Muslims). Oh, and news flash - anyone can lie. Don't need Taqiyah for that. Secondly, the girl is a brainwashed minor and deserves to be brought back to her parents. Religious Christians frighten me!!

[ewtng]

WE HAVE NOT INDOCTRINATED HER !!

SHE CAME TO CHRIST BY HER OWN MERRIT !!

WE LOVE RIFQA WITH ALL OUR HEARTS !!

BTW...  AYSHA IS CRYING BECAUSE SHE IS TERRIFIED OF HER EXTREMIST NUT CASE HUSBAND !!

They should send the FBI up to Ohio

to raid the mosque they attend !!

[JusticeForPeace]

All caps never make a point, use them only when needed.

She is minor. According to the law of the land, she belongs to her parents house.

If I, an adult, approach your minor child, and convince him/her that Islam is the way to worship God, which is what I believe to be true, think for a second what your reaction would be.

[JusticeForPeace]

Here are the facts:

* They are her parents,

* They seem peaceful,

* They definitely love their child

* The father seems open minded, and allows her to practice whatever religion she believes in.

* She is a minor

So, what are we discussing here? Hatred to Islam shouldn't justify taking the child from her parents.

[qworegoys]

Two more essential facts to consider:

*She is BARELY a minor

*She is in fear for her life, which she has been most vociferous about. Check out clips of her pleading for her life.

Don't you think it would behoove the parents to "seem" peaceful???

She, herself, has stated that she doesn't directly fear that her own immediate family will do her in....what she fears is being sent back to Sri Lanka. We can't do much good for her if she's there.sent back there.

[JusticeForPeace]

I agree with you that sending her to Sri Lanka would affect the level of the runaway support she has.

However, we have to realize that these people are her parents.

The fact that she is BARELY minor supports her going back to parents. It is only a year, and she will become independent. At that point if she decides to leave home, she will do rightfully so.

My concern is violating the law just because it is appealing. It seems that everybody is happy that a Muslim converts to Christianity.

[TheGameRaven]

in Islam, no women is independent, regardless of age. You cannot judge what you see based on this video. How many families do you know that put on a front out in public, but once in the privacy of their homes become something completely different? Its all too common. In the US, minors can be tried as adults in the court of law. How is that any different with non criminal cases? Children can become independent in the US. Teen pregnancy? Abortions? Parents are not even allowed to know as well.

[JusticeForPeace]

I'm Muslim, living in the States, and I believe I'm in a better position to judge what is inside Muslim homes, and what Islam commends.

Muslim women (and men) in the states are -on average- more educated than average American.

Muslim women oppression is a cultural problem in the Muslim world, not a religious problem. The man demonstrated that he is quite liberal, and offered his daughter freedom to practice whatever she wishes.

[TheGameRaven]

The united states has a vast melting pot of cultures, you cannot logically tell me that those who practice Islam are ALL some how different than those else where. Islam isnt a religion as much as it is a culture created by a conqueror known as Muhammed, who copied "Jesus" in order to claim himself a prophet and erase all teachings before his, using it as a tool for army building, mass population control, and power. What defines the "average american" btw? Because thats an empty claim on yourpart

[JusticeForPeace]

So, if I follow your logic, what would be the reason for the Muhammed (PBUH)? Do you know that when he died, he left no inheritance, absolutely nothing? Do you know that his Family didn't rule Muslims after him? Who did he build this empire for? How much luxury did he enjoy in his life? What are the forms of control that you can claim he achieved?

Don't fool yourself, read about the great man, instead of echoing what you hear. Learn about Islam, so that when you attack it you make more sense.

[TheGameRaven]

He married a rich old widow for a live of luxury, when she died he married 11 more times, this is done for sexual pleasure and lust. The women were his property, he was an old man when he married a 6 year old girl. He raped her when she was 9. Those are not the actions of a Godly man, nor a great man. He sought greatness and power for himself, his actions are just that. Him and Hitler have a lot in common.

[abbienetvision]

justice,

It is clear that mohammed only thought with his dick. His pleasure was with multiple women, although other Muslims are allowed less, mohammed raped, took women slaves, had one women ripped into two, beat women, took Aisha while playing on swings (she was a very little girl.)

What is great about this? Was hitler, napoleon, stalin also a profit to you? All killers, like moohamed. They treated women better though!

[JusticeForPeace]

First, I believe that Ethics and Morals are universal, and in general, what is ethical to you is ethical to me.

I have no doubt that the reason for having such a negative perception about a great man like Mohammed is ignorance about who he really is. I repeated this over and over again, go read about the man from an Islamic source to know the man instead of parroting what you read/hear from his enemies.

The space doesn't allow elaborate, or a brief description for who Mohammed (PBUH) is READ!

[TheGameRaven]

Furthermore, just look at the wife. She not even allowed to speak much less smile. You say its cultural only? Thats funny because the Quran, which is the religious text, goes quite well into how to treat their women and what a women can and cannot do. If you are a male, the women is your to do with as you please, even more so the daughter. I dont know how anyone can justify whats in the Quran, it is one of the most sexist disgusting books, one completely counter to Christianity and peace.

[JusticeForPeace]

So, you think this woman is oppressed, not allowed to speak, because the Quran teaches the husband to do so?

Then who liberated Rifqa? Lorenzo?

What do you know about the Quran teachings regarding women? What do you know about the Quran itself?

Do you Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world? the fastest growing religion in Europe? even back home here is the States?

Please do yourself a favor, and read from original sources. Read Quran, and read for Muslims, then judge yourself!

[TheGameRaven]

Actually I am very informed on this matter. Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the world, it is the second. Let me explain it further to you, Islam is growing not by conversions but by SEX. Thats right, Islam has a repopulation rate of 8.5. You only need 2.5 to sustain a culture. Islam is having way too many kids and immigrating, one cleric said thats how to conquer the world. Christianity is exploding in south america, asia and africa via conversions. It is the fastest growing.

[TheGameRaven]

Original sources, you mean this verse "Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will" and this "If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness confine them until death claims them. " The quran also says that if a man feels his woman isnt obedient enough for his taste that he should "admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them." Any man can accuse his wife of something, and she will be guilty. If she doesnt want to have sex, she is to be beaten.

[abbienetvision]

Game,

Also Aisha was barren due to being raped, otherwise why didn't Moohamed have kids with his favorite wife?

That is what happens when men 50+ rape girls under 10 yrs old, they destroy their bodies and their minds. Aisha was raped by the profit moohamed when she wasn't playing with dolls.

To think that Moohamed was anything but evil is a joke!

[abbienetvision]

just,

Do you really think that her dad would come on camera and say that he will kill her?

Muslims believe in Taqiyya (lying about your religion and beliefs if it can be used against you.)

The CAIR prominent member that killed his two teenage daughters at point blank range recently also looked and spoke very nicely.

Islam is all about lying and killing, read the koran if you don't know.

Most killers do not look like they are murderers. This father is one of these, open your eyes to truth!

[JusticeForPeace]

May God open our eyes to truth, Amen!

[abbienetvision]

just,

Here is a vid about a man like you that finally opened his eyes, I think you will find it very interesting.

Zaki Ameen was raised a Muslim and once dedicated his life to Islam, working as an Imam v=oPjVCwec6oQ

[JusticeForPeace]

Checked the page, and this clown makes absolutely no sense. He didn't present a single intellectual idea to discuss, he is basically on an insulting spree, no point in discussing his video.

* The guy is an open liar. He has no Islamic education whatsoever, has never been an Imam.

* The claim that he makes about being an Imam in four countries is laughable.

* I challenge him to name the mosques he has been to, the people who can witness he was their Imam, or publish the Islamic degrees he carry.

[abbienetvision]

justice,

You couldn't have written to zaki, since you don't even know him.

I went to the vid and there is not even one comment.

I have proved your claim that Muslims don't lie as false, they do and are supposed to if they want to be good Muslims (Al-Taqiyya.)

You also must hate, kill, rape, take slaves, steal, humiliate and want word domination, to be a good muslim. The more you kill, the higher your place in pedophilia heaven.

Very peaceful, indeed!

[JusticeForPeace]

It looks like you didn't read my comment carefully, go back and read it, I told you that zaki is an open liar, presents nothing to discuss. I never said I commented on his video.

My comments were on the other link (v=Gb3dqeeC0Us), I left almost 2000 words responding to all points raised in the video, and they were all removed by the author of that page!

Muslims don't lie. If they lie, they violate Islamic teaching. A criminal Christian doesn't doesn't incriminate Christianity!

[abbienetvision]

just,

Read your comment and you wrote, " I challenge him to name the mosques.."

How do you challenge him, if not through writing?

If you have a comment on what he said, you are free to write it. There is not even one comment, so how do you challenge anything?

What does Al-Taqiyya mean what to you, if not lying?

[ih8palis]

muslims do lie, a lot. it's part of their religious teachings. a Christian criminal doesn't incriminate all of Christianity because being a criminal isn't part of what is taught/required by/accepted in Christianity. lies, murder and mayhem are however taught/required/respected in islam.

[JusticeForPeace]

When you speak about religion you need to quote your proof from the religious text. Your claims are baseless, show me the text that encourages lies, murderm mayhem, ... in Quran, Sunnah. There is no religion that is as well documented as Islam is. Go read, and show me the proof with proper reference. I said that Muslims don't lie, and I quoted sayings from the Prophet that support my statement, so please do the same!

[ih8palis]

lolz! i don't take orders from anyone, least of all muslims. anyone reading can free feel to search for the information themselves. everything i said was true and i stand by it. it apparently threw you off in a hissy fit, lmao!

[ih8palis]

just a little fyi for people who need proof and can't manage to look it up themselves, i'd hate for this muslim to get away with trying to convince people islam doesn't condone and encourage murder and mayhem:

BEAT WIVES SURA 4:34

SEX WITH CHILDREN SURA 65:4

any minute the muslim will tell me i am taking these out of context & the typical muslim garbage that goes along with anyone proving their religion is a backward ideology that encourages violence against women and children.

[ih8palis]

instructions on how to lie as per the quran:

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.

[ih8palis]

murder is okay as long as you kill non muslims as per the quran:

[5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.

LIKE I SAID, MURDER AND MAYHEM ARE TOLERATED AND ENCOURAGED IN ISLAM AS PER THE QURAN....

[abbienetvision]

Taqiyya is alluded to in the following Quranic verse:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, (they) shall have no relation left with Allah except by way of precaution ("tat-taqooh"), that ye may guard yourselves ("tooqatan") from them... [3:28]"

Is this enough proof? Look in any search engine to find loads of info on Al-Taqiyya and find that lying is praised by Mohammed.

[JusticeForPeace]

What proof are you talking about? how can anybody reading this text arrive at the conclusion of promoting lies?

this is same concept as Quran [16:105-106]:

Only they forge the lie who do not believe in Allah's communications, and these are the liars. He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

[abbienetvision]

just,

You cannot even see the ugliness in the quran part that you quoted? How can you not see that you are just proving how sick Islam is.

[JusticeForPeace]

Quran is the most beautiful text ever. Translation is man made and has its own short coming. Most probably ugliness is in the eyes of the beholder.

[abbienetvision]

just,

Zaki and his book Living by the Point of My Spear, can easily be found on any search engine.

He worked as an imam in Egypt, Iraq, Yemen and many gulf states.

You can read up on him and write him easily, but need to read. It is not difficult to find info today w/the internet.

[abbienetvision]

Game,

Nice to see that somebody here has studied the koran. The koran is all about how to brainwash, mistreat, abuse, and do everything that true Americans find vile and illegal, as well as, immoral.

Mohammed was a mass-murderer, rapist, pedophile who the Muslims want to follow and aim to be like.

I would rather be like a monkey/donkey/etc than Mohammed.

Love your comments though. Keep it up!

[SusieYeah33]

hmm he did allow her to be a cheerleader short skirts no head covering....even if her family is fine its the muslims around that might kill her. does the wife speak? is she allowed? he is hilarious when he said she is not an adult, a minor.. in his home country..they marry them off at 12.. maybe even his own wife was under 17 when he married her. anyway its hard to tell cuz evil comes as "an angel of light"killing in home country is easier.he doesnt wanna go to jail. so who knows.

[ProcyonAlpha]

This story must piss muslims off so much lol.

[Iceberg6606]

I don't know whether or not to believe the parents. They don't sound completely insincere. However, I do think that Rifqa's life is in grave danger if those at the Noor center have any way of getting at her. Those people at the mosque sound like a bunch of Wahhabists or Salafists, the real nutcases in Islam.

[tannalv]

A sociopath will always sound charming, nice, faithfull. However, what I react to is the fact that he only speaks of physical things. "We moved for her eye-treatment, then we moved here, then we moved there". There is no mentioning of feelings, of his impretation of various people. Nor does he say he wants her to know he loves her.

...simply beacuse he doesn't know what love is. Also, another hint, is that a sociopath is never depressed.