Southern Poverty Law Center Vs. Family Research Council

[MrIcicle]

overturning sodomy laws was a mistake? If I wanne fuck my wife in the ass its non of the governments business. so fuck off FRC.

[seahorse05]

"redefining marriage?" Not at all. Lakota chief Crazy Horse had one or two male spouse(s) and many other Native American nations also have had what we now call same-sex marriages. Ethnographers have documented these and more: Omahas, Zapotecs, Mohaves, Crow, Hidatsa, Ojibwa, Winnebago, Yuma, Timucua..... Other cultures too: In 17th century Fukian Province China, same-sex marriages between gay men seem to have been common. And in West Africa, "woman marriage[s]"--practiced by many nations.

[TheThordir]

@seahorse05

Shush, theist fundemnetalists don't ''believe'' in fatcs. ^^'.

[PimpMyParadigm]

i love how christians simultaneously turn hate into love and take the moral high : us hating you means we love you BUUUUUULLLL SHIT! keep your delusions and misinformation out of politics

[jfsfrnd]

American Academy of Pediatrics - from their website:

''Welcome to the official Web site of the American Academy of Pediatrics—an organization of 60,000 pediatricians committed to the attainment of optimal physical, mental, and social health and well-being for all infants, children, adolescents, and young adults.''

[jfsfrnd]

Archives of Sexual Behavior ''a peer-reviewed journal''. It this a citation? What study has not been refuted. Tony Perkins did not cite any study.

American College of Pediatricians is a non profit. From their about section of their website: ''The College is a not-for-profit corporation organized for scientific and educational purposes, exempt from taxation under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code''

[jfsfrnd]

What is ''gay behavior'''? Sodomy is oral and anal sex among people, straight, bisexual or homosexual.

[razredge07]

Hm... many pedophiles claim to be gay... therefore gays are dangerous. Many rapists claim to be straight... therefore straights are dangerous. Anyone else seeing the flaw in this logic? Pedophiles and rapists are mentally ill - they are an abnormality, not the norm. The majority of gays have no interest in children, just like the majority of straight men have no interest in raping a woman. I guess you come up with some flawed logic when you start out with hating and try to justify it.

[mboundtogether]

and thats why conservatives should not be left in charge of as much as a lemonade stand

[usintelreport]

Research out of my ass Council

[AscottW]

It's funny seeing two hate groups call each other hate groups. Both perpetuate theories that have no basis in fact.

[GretchenDawntreader]

FRC: "We made up a fake pediatrics group so we could say our issues driven theories are peer reviewed! We needed that to feel better about our bitter lies about gays!"

[HeyThereKahl]

I'm fully behind the SPLC on this one. The FLC isn't being labeled as a hate group because they disagree about the definition of marriage. They're being justly labeled a hate group because they've made a career out of making shit up about an entire group in order to marginalize them for political gain. What a disgusting way to make a living. I suggest a more respectable line of work, Mr. Perkins, such as organ-harvesting.

[peter70chgo]

@HeyThereKahl just to be clear... you mean "self-organ-harvesting". Your term gave me visions of Mr Perkins lurking the streets of a big city looking for "donors". 

[staytunedfor]

Why do militant right-wing Christianists believe their "religion" gives them license to be pathological liars, let alone infringe on the constitutional rights of others? Mr. Perkins is un-American trash ... that he appears on the MSM at all shows how cowed the media are by conservatives.

[el100783]

I could honestly cut the throat of Tony Perkins with a smile on my face. 

[Pilgrim812]

@SuchIsLifeVideos The groups like the Family Research

council create "junk science" to bolster their arguments

the use of the "American College of Pedriatrics" is an example

of this basically dishonest approach.

[Lynus3]

See the retraction for Perkins Lies

Search youtube for "Chris Matthews Exposes Experts FRC's Tony Perkins Quotes"

It was aired the very next night.

[SuchIsLifeVideos]

@Lynus3 The link to that video is under Video Responses.

[Lynus3]

@SuchIsLifeVideos Sorry missed it. Thank you.

[jbetp99]

What I don't understand is why people like Perkins are taken seriously by shows like Hardball on the subject of homosexuality. Having an opinion about something does not make one an authority.

[darkwolfx333]

@jbetp99 because right now the media wants there to be two sides to this debate. As a scientist let me be clear... There is no two sides when it comes to the value of humanity in an individual. There was no true other side with African American rights, just bigots, same with women's rights to vote and choice. There is no real other side to this debate on gay rights. In time we will look back in disgust with how we treated out LGBT brothers and sisters, hopefully that time will be upon us soon.

[LegalEagleX]

@jbetp99 we need to keep working toward the day when he is no longer on MSNBC or CNN. Keep writing emails and letters to the execs at those networks and telling them you don't want the leader of a hate group invited onto the show as if he were respectable. Tell them you turn off the the program every time Perkins in on the show.

[aphyd2]

Conservative homos are ok. But militants & radicals stink.

[MoBushin04]

@SuchIsLifeVideos there is nothing false - lets be clear, you cannot and will not dispute anything he said. I repeat - nothing. You have no better evidence and you retreat on your 1000 ancestors respecting marriage as man and woman. Not 2 women, 3 people, or 2 men and a goat. Bahahhhhad!

[MoBushin04]

so libtards, what percent of male pedophiles go for boys, what percent go for girls. Do you dispute the 86% of pedophiles are going after boys. Are you saying more go after girls. These are relevant questions. And lastly, why are you more concerned about their rights and a terrorist's rights and less tolerant of mine?

[sammyseattle]

@MoBushin04 That is not what Mr. Perkins said. He said that 86% percent of pedophiles identified as homosexual or bisexual. He did not limit that statement to pedophiles that go after boys. He totally misrepresented a study that was flawed in the first place. Par for the course and the reason that his group has been identified as a hate group.

[darkwolfx333]

@sammyseattle That study in question was written by Tim Daily. A discredited doctor who purposely lied on several things and made up false data to come to his conclusions. He was sponsored by FRC to do the study making it objectionable on all fronts.

[MoBushin04]

@sammyseattle excuse me libtard, you are still whining about 86% of pedophiles being homosexual or bi but FAIL to state what the number is. What % of of pedophiles do you that are homosexual, what percent heterosexual. Quit whining and speak up Sanger worshipper that helps kill more babies than Stalin and Hitler combined. Answer... Chop chop!

[sammyseattle]

What we are "whining" about is the fact that Mr. Perkins deliberately misrepresented the results of the already flawed study he cited. He and his group do this over and over, that's how they got listed as a hate group.

[Blairtim69]

@MoBushin04

68% of child molesters claim to be attracted to children only. They do not identify as straight or gay.

26% identify themselves as straight, and only 6% as gay.

These numbers are from the FBI.

[Poochalot]

Tony Perkins spits out lie after lie! There is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, he's trying to invent lies to justify his cruelty towards the LGBT community. He tries to play off his hate like he's protecting children when all he's doing is spreading hate. Tony you are human garbage!

[hardmod777]

Who gets to define "hate?" Family Research owned this one. Well done!

[TheWNMan]

@hardmod777 No, the SPLC gets to define hate because they have the money and political power which is a very dangerous, one-sided and very UN-American idea.

[coaltrader07]

I love Jews niggers homosexuals and most foreigners.. love love love even though they are filthy i love them..

[LegalEagleX]

@coaltrader07 YOU SOUND LIKE TONY PERKINS WHEN HE'S OFF-CAMERA

[HenhousetheRed]

Perkins doesn't even deserve the airtime.

[razieldumas]

How. The. Fuck. Does forcing the government into a person's bedroom and outlawing what two consenting adults do with each other qualify as 'loving' behavior?

To imply that decriminalizing homosexual behavior is hateful is to do exactly that.

[America4Americans01]

SPLC is a jewish hate group.

[GlassAgate]

@America4Americans01

What? Got proof?

[HollywoodHillsCookie]

I love that with the technology we have now, this all becomes part of a permanant record that everyone can easily access and see, till the end of time. The descendents of Tony Perkins will have to live with that shame forever. (And how apt that he has the same name as a famously closeted actor??)

[LegalEagleX]

@HollywoodHillsCookie and further irony.....the star of PSYCHO..very apt....I won;'t be surprised if Tony turned his mommy into a mummy and talks to her every night while writing his next hateful anti-gay speech.

[GretchenDawntreader]

wikipedia correctly identifies the ACP as a religious conservative splinter group that publishes "research" that supports their bias against gays. For Perkins to cite "peer reviewed findings" from such a group is to let him get away with bald-faced lies on national cable television. That bit should have been instantly denounced as bogus. "We have this relligious organization that says all pedophiles are gays, look we pee reviewed it amongst ourselves!" That is not real research.

[GretchenDawntreader]

@GretchenDawntreader "peer reviewed" although maybe they also pee reveiw, who knows.

[vintageirony]

5:00 > YOU LIE Perkins. YOU. F*CKING. LIE.

The American College of Pediatricians has NO respect or solid ground in/amongst the national medical community AT ALL, in fact its well known that this "group" is nothing but a shell organization giving cover and getting funding from religious right propagandists.

[Blairtim69]

@SuchIsLifeVideos

Unfortunately Chris Mathews did not let him respond, and made no attempt to debunk the lies himself. I know Mr. Chris is a friend, but this interview, like most of his interviews was shallow and more about him and his show, than getting facts right and actually discussing the issue. Mark Potok was only allowed to present a couple of items in a long list of lies and hate.

[MrBorisbadanoff]

@Whip111 ANTI SEMITE

[Igor340]

@SuchIsLifeVideos - Google it and get your facts straight. It is an actual group of conservative right-wing pediatricians, and just as rabidly anti-gay as the FRC. Their opinions are biased and carry no validity.

[seananomie]

I don't believe for a minute the family research guy doesn't spank. He spanks. Oh yes he does.

[bill8427]

The American College of Pediatricians is a group of pediatricians who are religious conservative Christians. They oppose same-sex parenting. They have 200 members. The American College of Pediatrics is a group of pediatricians who see no problem whatsoever with same-sex parenting. They have 60,000 members. Perkins is misleading us to believe that pediatricians in general are opposed to same-sex parenting. Disingenuous if you ask me.

[TheAnthony8650]

The media MUST ban hate groups like FRC and keep them off the air.

[TheAnthony8650]

This is just one example of why news organizations such as MSNBC or CNN MUST ban scumbags and bigots like Tony Perkins and keep them off the air.

Human garbage like Perkins get on the TV and spew false lies and unfortunately people watching may not get the REAL facts.

Now, there are probably people who may think that the "American College of Pediatricians," which is a hoax organization, is a real medical group and may believe some of the FRC's evil propaganda.

[vegas787]

I love how these hate groups use the word "family"... Tony Perkins is slick slimeball of the worst caliber!

[divad838]

How does this man just make things up and get away with it?

[Whip111]

@divad838 Agreed. How does Potok and the SPLC get away with such vile hatred?

[Blairtim69]

@Whip111

It is the FRC who is the hate group.

Their propaganda is 90% lies and false studies.

They quote mostly from the Cameron Study, which has been debunked a dozen times, and led to Cameron being kicked out of all professional groups.

[Whip111]

@Blairtim69 I know little about the FRC, but I do know this sentence sums up the Jewish hate group known as the SPLC: "Their propaganda is [at least] 90% lies and false studies." Do yourself a favor and read on the SPLC.

[Blairtim69]

@Whip111

The FRC has constantly used research conducted by groups they help create and fund. All most everything on their web site has been proven false by peer reviewed studies. They are no better than the KKK or Neo Nazis.

[Blairtim69]

@Whip111

I am familiar with both groups. The SPLC has had a good history of exposing and watching hate groups around the nation, and has won several cases against discrimination. They have always detailed why a group is added to the list. I have never read anything about them, which would discredit them.

[divad838]

@Whip111 Drop dead. Tony Perkins is a pig.

[thanatos101b]

Tony Perkins is simply making things up.

[homerth1555]

Tony Perkins is a liar

[homerth1555]

Tony Perkins in a liar

[rg0057]

If Perkins was right about any of the facts he spews, they would have introduced those facts at the Prop 8 trial. In fact, HIS OWN SIDE agreed that gay people are good parents, individually and as couples.

[atheistworstenemy]

@SuchIsLifeVideos It's not really a made up group, it's just a fringe pediatrician org that was made due to mainstream pediatrician organizations being quite gay-affirming. Well, all mainstream health organizations are, really.

[suejeffers]

perkins cooperates here and proves the point of the splc. and i thought perkin's god wanted his herd not to lie. when asked if he believes that "homosexual behavior" should be outlawed, he never answered the question , he simply said they won't be actively campaigning to "re-criminalization" of "homosexual behavior" even tho he thinks it should be.

[CosmicApe2]

Perkins a Grade A slimeball.

[cryan71]

American College of Pediatricians is a FRC funded group to confuse people that it is the actual 60,000 doctor organization called American Academy of Pediatrics.

Way to bear false witness Tony.

[dafttool]

This is long overdue. Since it's inception, the Family Research Council has been a vessel of lies, propaganda & hate, demonizing 10% of the population, making them a political & physical target for violence, injustice & second class citizenship. The FRC is a hate group, and it has been one for decades. And what's ironic about it is that for all of their talk about supporting families, they just don't seem to get the concept that gays are members of their family too.

[MaryJesusJoseph]

@SuchIsLifeVideos I wish Matthews would have shut up and let Potok talk more. I think Potok is too polite for this kind of tv show. Unfortunately on Matthew's screamfests it's whoever starts talking and never stops who wins.

[restlys]

Lol the left is losing ground.

[ythnkupollyprsypnts]

@restlys

And so are bigots. 

[Blairtim69]

@restlys

It is not a matter of left or right, it is a matter of Liberty and justice.

You can not stop Justice!

We will have our Liberty!

[restlys]

@Blairtim69 Yes you can stop justice.

Case and point : George W Bush.

stop being an idealist.

[XforeverlongingX]

I do love that chris matthews has a hard way of talking to people. Perkins really gets bitchslapped by matthews and I'm loving the view from here :)

[XforeverlongingX]

Come on, tony perkins is gay himself. I can just tell. My gaydar is sashaying whenever I see miss tony perkins

[MaryJesusJoseph]

I'm totally with the Southern Poverty Law Center on this one. The FRC has been spewing hate for a very long time.

[MoBushin04]

@MaryJesusJoseph you anti-Christian bigot - what part of 31 states have rejected revised marriage do you dispute? Toloerate marriage you fascist. All 1000 of your ancestors did! I enjoyed watching the two liberals getting marginally defeated by one conservative Perkins - did you?

[MaryJesusJoseph]

@MoBushin04 Oh please, Christians are deluded. If I'm anti-Christian it's because I'm against people forcing their myths on me. And you think Perkins defeated the other two? Once again it shows how easily fooled Christians are. Why do you Christians keep whining like you're victims. You control this country and continue to try to drag us back to the stone age to match your Bible.

[MoBushin04]

@MaryJesusJoseph we are not deluded and we tolerate homosexuals much better than you tolerate us. Athiests are more dangerous than any religion and that won't be disputed. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and this generation's Milosivec killed more than any Christian. Educate yourself before you waste my time! You cannot and will not dispute the facts. CNN is not here to defend you!

[MaryJesusJoseph]

@MoBushin04 One more thing. Look up what a fascist is. You sound even more like an idiot.

[MoBushin04]

@MaryJesusJoseph your ignorant post is dismissed as fascist describes you and your hero Margeret Sanger. She worked for Hitler, you beat his death record. OWNED!

[TheWNMan]

@MaryJesusJoseph The real haters are the SPLC, who were also the beneficiaries of financial crook Bernie Madoff. That's right, millions of your dollars swindled to support this hate spewing SPLC group. I suggest that you do some research before deciding who to side with.

Here is the REAL deal on the SPLC hate group:

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thesocialcontract[dot]com/artm­an2/publish/tsc_20_3/tsc_20_3_­woodruff.shtml

[MaryJesusJoseph]

@TheWNMan No, the real haters are the AFA and FRC who spread lies and fear about gay and lesbian people. People who are already opressed.

[TheWNMan]

@MaryJesusJoseph Typical liberal hype. You state and do not support with facts. Poor unfortunate creature; you could do with a good reading from the other side. :)

[jgehb]

@MaryJesusJoseph - bunch of morons ... hey, it is called the market place of ideas people. Just because you disagree with someone on an issue and speak out on it does not equal hate ... everyone wants to spew this "hate" bs, because name calling is easy to do and does not require you to t-h-i-n-k.

[MaryJesusJoseph]

@jgehb No, it's that the Family Research Center is a h-a-t-e group. They rile up their donors by spreading lies and making their ignorant constituency even more afraid than they already are.

[YouStoleMyTube]

Fuck "traditional family values", that concept is a load of crap.

Thanks for the upload btw :)

[rextrek]

Perkins got served......! bye bye toni