Seinfeld - Kramer and Papi Pizza Debate

[Theburn77]

watching this as a kid the metaphor went right over my head

[MightyLion70]

@Theburn77 Exactly! I watched this last night on TBS, and it suddenly clicked!

[NotADood]

I'm with Kramer, though cukes on pizza does sound disgusting.

[SoCalDualSport]

It's a pizza at conception.

[515danni515]

Of course it's a pizza before it goes into the oven!!!

[Samurott]

2 people put cucumbers on their Pizza.

[VDotCSpot]

I can't believe I went 15 years without realizing what the subtext of this scene actually was.

[bardhi09]

I rememeber this Ep Elaine was such a bitch in this one i wanted to slap her silly.

[PrestigeWorldwlde]

i agree with both of them you should make any type of pizza you want, but it is a pizza once u put all the toppings on.

[CHAOSin8bits]

@PrestigeWorldwlde ITS NOT A HUMAN UNTIL IT CAN SUSTAIN LIFE OUTSIDE THE MOTHER

[PrestigeWorldwlde]

@CHAOSin8bits its human once the sperm and the egg meetandthe human begins growing..its like saying an egg isnt a chick, in literature yes cuz egg and chick are two different things but inreality there the same thing its just growin

thats theway i see it. if u have different views thats fine i respect that

[greggh]

@CHAOSin8bits That distinction would make "human" a function of the current state of medical technology.

[lovelikerazorblade]

hope he washed his hands before making the pizza haha

[clayboychannel]

sloaches radio show em your power...

[SmutJunkie]

Tonight's curb (The Palestinian Chicken) reminds me so much of this great Seinfeld moment in the way it artfully and ingeniously tackles a delicate subject through an unlikely metaphor. LD is a genius.

[ibaneziano]

Awesome scene!!

[sweetcherrypie88]

Wow, i hadn't realized they were really talking about abortion! thanks for sharing!

[Charly310]

cucumbers on a pizza :-)

that's a first.

[FGN123]

Haha Seinfeld was great at creatively pushing the envelope, I'm surprised NBC let it go.

[giantmetfan06]

i say it's a pizza once its out of the oven. You don't have dough, put sauce on it add cheese and pepperoni and go "Okay, time to eat!" Lol, just saying...

[nekokonachan]

@giantmetfan06 You've never had lunchables before, have you?

[giantmetfan06]

@nekokonachan i have but i never considered it an actual pizza. More like a make-believe pizza on the go.

[LuisfAzevedo]

This show is so , so smart!

[falcoperegrinus82]

"It's a pizza da momen ju putta you fiss in da dough"

[thedudeabides2010]

"Why is it an abortion if its human and an omelette if its a chicken !??" George Carlin

[ShookOnesTO]

@thedudeabides2010 chickens are good people!

[ninjasauceshadow]

LOL love this think about it all the time at work. Godfathers Pizza FTW

[raspberrymuffin]

Haha that is creative with abortion. I can see why this show did so well.

[FutureNewsAnchor]

If the pie contains your favorite topping, then it's a pizza. If the pizza guy screws up your order, then it's somebody else's free dinner!

[0706823245]

i say: it's a pizza once the sauce and cheese have been added...

[WestIndianAK]

A cute scene, but as an abortion analogy it makes no sense. It's simply untrue, biologically speaking, to say that a baby is not human until it's born. A fetus in utero is still human, just a human at the earliest stage of development. Until/unless it is killed, it is alive, and all living things belong to some species/category. What is it before it's born, then? A cat? A dog? Argue that it should be fair game for abortion if you like, but to deny a fetus human status is just false.

[atowlcreekbridge]

@WestIndianAK You seem to have missed the point. The debate isn't whether or not a fetus is a human before it's born. The issue is at one point is the fetus considered a citizen and given it's own rights (essentially a protection from being aborted). Pro-choice advocates simply say it is the right of the mother to decide what to do; basically that the fetus is still a part of the mother until a much later stage in development when it becomes it's own entity- "when it comes out of the oven"

[NY1love]

I just figured that out today when I saw this episode. I can't believe I missed it before.

[gnukev]

I think this is one of the most brilliant scenes in the entire Seinfeld series. Papi is anti-choice and Kramer is pro-choice. Such a clever analogy!

[falcoperegrinus82]

@gnukev Yeah, and in this same episode, Elaine is having issues with an anti-choice boyfriend.

[SmashBrosFan19]

Wow, I never thought of this scene in term of the abortion debate

[NiceGirl024]

@dfbhcf

In regards to your "against abortion" phrase, I just want to make it clear that no one is PRO-abortion, or for abortion. Pro-CHOICE people believe that people should be able to have an abortion if that is the right decision for them, but no one is, by any means, rooting for it. Just because Kramer is able to put cucumbers on his pizza doesn't mean he thinks most should!

[HEADSHOTASSASIN]

@NiceGirl024 Whilst i agree with you i think Kramer thinks most people should put cucumbers on their pizza's ;)

[Harshcore811]

I like what Kramer says when he puts the sauce on the Piazza. Haha

[lynchie42]

this is very true