Panel Discussion 3/11 (The Amazing Meeting 2)

[sciencemile]

Penn has it right; these people with their testimonies and strategies to convert people.

Reminds me of how using the weapons of the enemy corrupted Saruman in Lord of the Rings.

[attckDog]

Raver here !

and yeah im skeptical

[trembleagain]

People who support the 9/11 conspiracies are blinded by a dislike and distrust of the Bush administration. There's not a shred of evidence for it.

[kev3d]

I agree and would further add that there is PLENTY of evidence, both from governments and independent sources proving the 19 Hijackers were in fact Islamic radicals, mostly from Saudi Arabia. The funny thing about the conspiracy is that Bush (who critics claim is stupid) would have to be a super genius, or a puppet. If so, who is the Puppet Master? Who gets the Shadow Emperor his (or her) coffee? The Conspiracy breaks down at the logistics level.

[alphabeets]

The "Puppet Masters" are the (very few) folks that control the world's money. Search " money masters " on youtube. There are tons of enlightening videos to learn from. It's complicated but you can start there.

[kev3d]

Tin foil hat time. Again, you still have the problem of leakage. Billionaires do not change their own tires, let alone do the dirty work of crashing planes. Therefore a legion of lieutenants is required, each of whom must be silenced, beyond death (in case they left memoirs) The silencers must also be silenced and so on. Its a logistical impossibility.

[alphabeets]

As I said, it's quite complicated. It's not that simple. They don't need to be kept "silent". It's more about a general way of thinking over generations. Folks that "carry out their masters' plan" do it because they are conditioned to believe in what they are doing i.e. in the name of Freedom, in the name of God, etc... There is no need to silence anyone- the "puppets" do it because they want to. It's the same concept that causes suicide bombers to just throw away their lives.

[pzyktzle]

As a confirmed skeptic : with 9/11, how did world trade center tower 7 collapse? as a skeptic, this is the only part of the conspiracy that i allow myself to give any weight because i find it incredible that a tower that was not hit by a plane collapsed.

[kev3d]

The short answer is "Lots of shit fell on it. And the Structure was further weakened by fires" The longer answer is something engineers can answer better. From Popular Mechanics; "Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse."

[kev3d]

Buildings are mostly air. Knock out the right parts, and they crumble and of course some buildings are better than others. I would presume that the Soviets built a pretty good Hangar for their "Buran" space shuttle...but it collapsed in 2002...no plane or debris hit it. Just poor maintenance. The I-80 overpass in Oakland collapsed after a truck carrying fuel hit it, and Overpasses are very strong, so, in short, it happens.

[yxol]

Yes, its a part of it. There is also something attractive knowing 'the truth' as they see it (X-Files effect?). Especially when its packaged in a popular simplified form as so called documentaries. The large part of these people dont read the facts. They get feed small bits of facts that seems to contradict the mainstream konsensus to the untrained eye.

[mccote]

Ive seen a 1.5 hour video on youtube arguing that 911 was a conspiracy. I must say it was really convincing. It didnt end up convincing me, I still think its crazy talk, but it certainly made me think. And I think thats a good thing.

But my point is that it is convincing enough that Im not surprised that a lot of other people fall for it. Look at how many people fall for astrology and homeopathy and scientology and other rediculous things. 911 conspiracies sound a lot more believable.

[wheresmyhagau]

How are they responsible for spreading the term "gay" as a negative adjective?

[moliver000]

skepticism does not equal atheism.

[wgloTruth]

Not so much that it was an inside job, but more that I don't buy the official myth that 19 men could break through a trillion dollar defense system and fly 3 seperate planes into buildings. Even these skeptics aren't into really proving things, but more into disproving and picking theories apart. The official myth certainly can be picked apart in the same manner. I will give specifics if u want.

[AmazingMeetingVideos]

Well just as an example I've personally been able to sneak things on planes that a person is not supposed to. Just remember that just because a plan is in place it doesn't matter how much you spend on defense if the people that are on the front lines might not be the brightest. No offense to anyone but have you ever spoken at length with some of the TSA security people at the airport? I have a friend who works there and I wouldn't trust him to guard my house.

[wgloTruth]

OK..but you're only looking at this from one angle. I never claimed that the planes weren't hijacked. But they sure did fly around for an hour off course before hitting the towers. It's always been standard procedure to have fighters on any aircraft's wing within 10 minutes of going off course. Even when a plane as small as Payne Stewart's went off-course, there were jets on his wing in 10 minutes as a precaution.

[AmazingMeetingVideos]

thats a good point

[wgloTruth]

There's PLENTY more where that came from. After 9/11, people were too blinded by grief, revenge and nationalism to look at the official story skeptically. No one wants to study that horrible day, but now that many people have had a chance to do so, the word is starting to get out. Even 1000s of architects, engineers, intelligence officers, pilots, air traffic conrollers, and eye witnesses

[moliver000]

Occam's Razor?

Either:

This horrible atrocity is the result of 19 men - and who knows how many more accomplices - hijacking three planes, your government slow to react (see Katrina) does not respond in the optimal way, and three planes crash into buildings.

[moliver000]

OR

The government pulls off the complex conspiracy of all time in order to commit the most deadly terrorist attack ever in America. Imagine the thousands of people who would have to be in on this for it to have been a planned attack. Now imagine ALL of these people a) keeping their mouths shut b) never telling anyone c) actually being this evil.

[wgloTruth]

OK, you're right...If you want to take a broad look at the events of 9/11, you will always come to the conclusion that it's an impossible feat. But why can't we address specifics instead??? Don't we have to do a little investigating before we accept our government's explaination. When we start to look at specifics, the coincidences start piling up by the hundreds...

[Komojo]

One of the biggest fallacies of 9/11 conspiracy theories is that the "official explanation" is some document that the government put out that everybody accepts without question, as opposed to hundreds of people independently investigating and coming to the same conclusion.

[wgloTruth]

Irrelevant...One of the biggest fallicies of the official 9/11 myth is that all the independent investigations agreed w/ the official myth. In fact, many independent investigators have findings quite contrary to the official story. But people like you will always be satisfied when Daddy tells them what's right and wrong. Do you want to talk about this point by point or are we just bullshiting each other.

[wgloTruth]

could that head wound only be caused from an airplane hitting building??? This is bullshit. These guys are skeptical about 99% of everything, but when someone asks a legitimate skeptical question about 9/11, their inner-patriot jumps out and they want to punch somebody. 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!

[AmazingMeetingVideos]

I know alot of people seem to believe that 911 was an inside job, but what evidence can you point out that would proof that it was?

[kjohnsen045]

@AmazingMeetingVideos

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth have mountain of proof that call the official statement into question; including peer reviewed papers.