The Clintons Off the Record During the Lewinsky Scandal

[Gimeolots]

In retrospect it's not about fidelity, decency of character, slandering the poor young skank, or any of that. It is about RESULTs. Peace, prosperity, economic expansion, the birth of the internet. The longest period of economic expansion in American History. Yeah... That would be what they call Results.

[robvh2]

I want to see a closer examination of the suspicious death of Vince Foster, a man with damning information about the Clintons. That's a much bigger story than Monica Lewinski! Foster's death was ruled a homicide but the facts and evidence don't agree at all. Foster's death is a homicide cover-up. The Clintons are among the most corrupt politicians in American history. The current POTUS has a ton of secrets of his own but even he pales in comparison to Bill & Hillary.

[dukehey2]

Hillary knew.

[oldhacks]

Je aussi pussy

[vivaloriflamme]

He lied under oath-- to the world.

No consequences.

Cheating is private- sure. Not for a person in public life. Ask Tiger Woods.

[oldhacks]

bush killed Iraqis, Nixon killed vietnamese, eisenhower wiped out Irans government via CIA coup, Lincoln and Davis killed 100,000s of Americans, Washington, Jefferson, Adams all kept slavery legal.

whats your point?

it's your fault. do something

[humanist7117]

Let it go!

[KagarBeardtooth]

Hahaha, "It was a blow"

[mrx0066600]

Clinton getting his weed wacked not an abuse of presidential power.

Bush using people's fears from 9/11to do what ever he wanted and invading Iraq. An abhorrent abuse of power.

[gilraen789]

Hopefully, some day we will face up to the fact that human beings are seldom monogamous lifetime mates. If this ever happens, we will be less interested in the sex lives of public figures. And that will introduce a new element of sanity to public discourse.

[CognosSquare]

What a sad and pathetic episode in US history that was.

[GeminiPrimeX]

Are people still on about this? As far as I can remember, the only thing newsworthy about this was the reaction it had in the US. Who cares if he cheated on his wife. It´s a private matter. Making it public only makes harder for those involved to deal with.

[Re5Publica]

People expect integrity from a president, and more, to fulfill and honour their vows. If you can't be trust to be faithful to your wife, the women who birthed your children, what sort of loyalty could you possibly have to your country?

[GeminiPrimeX]

To expect a politician to have more integrity than those who elect him or her seems a bit naive. Not to mention judging a politician by his private life. You should judge a politician by his/hers politics and the results those politics give. To expect a politician to be better than his voters is creating a politician who will lie in order to live up those expectations.

[Re5Publica]

You really believe expectating Bill Clinton to honour his vows is expecting too much? That the regular voter cannot be fatihful to his wife? I don't know who you have a lesser opinion of, Clinton, or the average voter.

[GeminiPrimeX]

No. I don´t think the average voter cheats on his spouse. Nor do I expect Clinton or any politician to break his vows to his spouse. But I do expect the voters to understand that any politician is human and riddled with the same flaws and weaknesses as anyone else. I also expect a voter to pay attention to the actual politics carried out and not be distracted by something that began as a tabloid scandal. As long as they don´t break any laws, a politicians private life is that. Private.

[Re5Publica]

I think they do understand he's human, that's why America is a republic.

A sexual scandal by the president says much about his political credibility, in particular, his lying under oath about his relationship, and his slander of Monica Lewinsky suggesting she was some obsessive delusional fan of his. That's a pretty slimeball thing to do, and I think is relevent to his fitness to serve as head of state.

[GeminiPrimeX]

You are indeed right about him lying under oath is wrong (and illegal). But why would he feel compelled to do such a thing? The only conclusion I can make is that he did it out of fear of what would happen if someone realized the truth. If no one cared about his private life he would have no reason to lie. There is a cultural difference here. I am european, and in Europe no one cares about politicians private life, not even the media. We focus on the actual politics, not the person.

[Re5Publica]

Tell that to Berlusconi. Tell that to Prince Charles. Tell that to Sarkozy. I'm sorry but you're wrong. Maybe things are different in scandanavia, but not in the rest of Europe.

[GeminiPrimeX]

Berlusconi may have had sex with minors, that is a criminal offense (one amongst many he may have committed) . Prince Charles has no political power of any kind, and is thus, not a politician. The french knew about the future Madame Sarkozy before they elected him for president. They didn't care. In general europeans don´t care about the personal life of politicians as long as they don´t do something illegal.

[Re5Publica]

Prince Charles is Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, among other titles, he has sat in the house of lords, he is a politician.

Europeans care just as much as anyone else about the private lives of political figures. It is in no way particular to America. Saying it is just highlights your european anti-american prejudice. If any European politician were getting blowjobs by an intern while he was married, europeans would care, at least those who are not debauched.

[GeminiPrimeX]

Prince Charles titles are symbolic, as is his place in the house of lords. He has no political power. His mother has that, but she is still alive. Of course europeans have an interest in scandals. They often make it into the tabloids. But it´s rare that it gets a political implication, or is discussed by a political opposition. There is nothing to gain for a politician who tries to profit from a scandal. Often he is seen as less sincere. In the end, what matters is if the politics are good.

[DorianGrayism]

No one cares about Charles. He sounds more like a crackpot these days as he gets older.

If he gets a BJ off someone else and he lied, I doubt anyone would care. No one would suggest that he should give up his claim to the throne.

They would only be interested as it would be a gossip piece on a British Tabloid.

[Re5Publica]

That's funny since the whole affair with Princess Diana actually caused public support for the monarchy to drop.

[DorianGrayism]

Sure, that was due to public sympathy for Diana( even thought she had her own affair), particularly after the Bashir interview. Not due to moral outrage at Charles' actions.

The monarchy had been going through a decline for a while anyway.

If it was to happen again today, no one would really care, particularly amongst the younger generation.

[Re5Publica]

Because the younger generation is debauched, which is not something to be bragged about, but lamented.

[DorianGrayism]

I wasn't saying it was something to be bragged about.

I am saying that most people don't care about Charles. The fact that he married the person he had an affair with is an indication of the importance that people place upon the affair he had.

[DorianGrayism]

By the way, sitting in the house of Lords has no real political clout. At most you can delay legislation.

That doesn't make you a politician.

[totaldreck]

Good on you, GeminiPrimeX. Don't waste your time on Re5Publica, he's a partisan hack who will bend over backward to justify the evils of his side while crying foul over a blow job. Zero credibility.

[Re5Publica]

I'm independent, but to act as though the matter is simply about fellatio, and not about infidelity, to both his wife, and to his oath as president, and to his personal character over the allegations he made against Lewinsky I think highlights that you're partisan, or at the very least, debauched.

[frankroto]

@Re5Publica: Infidelity to his oath as president? You mean "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."?

He received a BJ and when asked if he had sex with Monica, said he didn't. How is that "infidelity...to his oath as president"? Or did I miss the "I swear (or affirm) that I will receive no extramarital BJs" amendment?

[Re5Publica]

He lied under oath about his relationship with Monica, and he slandered her. If you don't think this, in anyway, makes him unfit for the presidency than that is your view. Some hold the president, the commander-in-chief, the highest political office, to a justifiably high standard, and if his "best of my ability" is getting blowjobs by an intern in the same house Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln lived in, and where his children live and play, than that's a depressing sign of the times.

[VAR1UM]

Judging from the comments here already, im glad that you people have no authority in anything.

Id be surprised if you understood how a wheel worked.

[LaMouleQuiCoule]

I wish Hillary had become president, at least she'd have a spine to stand up to the Republicans

[hurchel]

@LaMouleQuiCoule If she would have left bill, she would have been stronger.

she is a thick ankled little bulldog and very usuable.

[BigPurple121]

The Clintons are political animals (period)

Cold, calculated, political animals

[2JOHNNYT]

Animals? Do U C how flat she speaks - she killed her soul - she's the living dead sell out.

Check out the vid that earned me a SECRET SERVICE RECORD for hassling her during the Prez Election - watch?v=pxDy04nalCk