PRR J1a #6410 & SF 2-10-4 #5035 - Bellevue, Ohio (1956)

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[chism26]

Oil fired altho some sante fe texis classes where coal the first two orders had them

[MrHadley2011]

at 2:15 the Bellevue Turntable has some extension rails so that they could turn the ATSF locomotives.... The tenders were longer than the PRR.... Yea If your a fan on the 2-10-4 texas types dont forget the C&O.. They had them also.

[bigtex144]

I love the photo at about 2:15 ... the SF #5022 doesn't quite fit on the turntable, but there's that little "track extension device" that hangs out over the edge of the turntable and raises up above other tracks so it can rotate around. I'd love to see in detail how it works. Pretty ingenious way to handle a truly massive locomotive!

[b3j8]

These sounds came off a record called "Power of the Past"

that Howard Fogg put out in the late 1950's with Owl Records.

Absolutely fabulous collection of midwest steam!

[Jared1452]

My two most favorite locomotives, great recording :D!

[Bill0254]

Sorry! I made a mistake on the second clue. It should have read C&O.

[Bill0254]

Just a bit of trivia! Does anyone know how the J came to the Pennsy? Two hints. Look at the back of the boiler and think N&W.

[dcoursey82]

Well the J1s were adopted by Pennsy from Chesapeake & Ohio's T1 class engines during WW2 due to wartime restrictions on building new locomotives. N&W didn't really have anything to do with the T1's arrival on the Pennsy.

[Bill0254]

Yep! Sorry for the error. You are right. Few people are aware of that. I find it most interesting. Although the Pennsy did add some of their own to the J it's design was C&O most of the way. I wonder how this sat with the Pennsy's top brass at the time. The J was a very successful locomotive. Also to add sand to the wound they were built at the Juniata shops. Ouch!

[trainman551]

the 2-10-4 j1 texas type came from the sant fa 2-10-4 right

[Dakotajohnboy]

@trainman551 Santa Fe had the first of that arrangment, but it really was more a 2-10-2. If you look at pictures, the trailing truck carried very little weight. The TRUE super-power Texas type was ordered by the Texas & Pacific. And heres a lil tidbit, it was actually ordered BEFORE the first Super-power Berkshire order was placed. The 2-10-4 actually came BEFORE the 2-8-4. Look it, classic trsins ran a story on it.

[Automcanic]

@Bill0254 makes sense why it would be in bellevue

[brdiesel]

@Bill0254 The J1 is The C&O T1 with a Penssy look...LOL

[Bill0254]

@brdiesel Make no mistake. I am a big fan of the Pennsy.....Also keep in mind the the idea that all railroads no matter how big or small came with lots of pride of their own. Now let's just say the Pennsy like many other large railroads had a heaping helping of their own pride. In comes the J1. To top it all off I understand it was a great locomotive. Wow! I see great humor in it. Civility training at it's best.

[Dakotajohnboy]

@Bill0254 The C&O lent a 2-10-4 to the pennsy and the N&W lent 2-8-8-2 for testing. The choice was the 2-10-4 wheel arragned. No real reason has ever been found. Many have ideas as to why. One is used to Pennsy steam with Belphire fireboxes. This is one of the first without them. And the locomotive is a 2-10-4, which it the Texas Type (Texas & Pacific being the first pruchasers of the type.) After all fo that, the Pennsy owned THE most of this type then any other railroad in the US.

[boilerbob7]

That is really nice. Thanks for sharing

[Trekkerjon]

At 1:09 Is that the Portland road crossing?

[choirboyfromhell1]

I like the train hitting the circuit at 2:13. Obviously from inside the tower.

[nwj600]

ATSF 5035 sounded much better

Valve timing on PRR 6410 was awful

[aihoschema]

Agreed, the PRR "chuff" (first loco) sounds really off - like the valve gear was in desperate need of being re-adjusted. I'm not an expert, but as far as I know, on any two cilinder steam engine the timing of the opposing cilinders is done, leading to the main drivers being off exactly at a 90 degree angle, leading to even intervals between the "chuffs" - the valve gear has to be re-adjusted on a regullar basis. Please correct me if I'm wrong

[yankinga]

That is the worst sounding AT&SF whistle I ever heard.

And I like Santa Fe whistles.

The J1 whistle wins hands down.

[hennef53]

I think my neighborhood is not amused, because I am listening this great sound!

[FGLK1702]

Are there any J1a's left?

[hella188]

sadly, no

[kleetus92]

There is a 2-10-4 from the Bessemer and Lake Erie still around, too bad it's rotting away in a shed in Pittsburgh because the owner can't seem to figure out what to do with it for the last 20 years. #643

[MUEagle2002]

I'm a Santa Fe fan so I'm going to be biased ;-)

[imagreatbigman]

i think the pennsylvania sounded better that the santa fe.

[prr1361]

ANYTHING sounded better than the Santa-Fe

[Driverman2008]

I didn't know that the Pennsylvania Railroad leased some Santa Fe Santa Fes.

[dcoursey82]

Yep, back in '56, they leased 12 of these Santa Fe Texas types during a surge in coal traffic...

[Driverman2008]

Were they oil-fired or coal-fired?

[dcoursey82]

Yes, the J1a's were coal fired, but the Santa Fe engines were oil fired...most western engines were, as coal was less abundant out west.

[JoJoJopete]

yup, especially on the Sandusky District which in '64 they (PRR) sold it to the N&W. Of the 12 only Santa Fe 5011 survived.