Do they wear military uniforms when they are engaged in fighting? They have no protections, waterboard them!! If they start putting uniforms on the babies and women they send in as suicide bombers, they get Geneva convention protections.
here is the principal behind brainwashing... they are "terrorists" which makes them less human and give us the right to drowned them like a rat... hmm... Zieg Hiel military intelligence...hmm...
here is the principal behind brainwashing... they are "terrorists" which makes them less human and give us the right to drowned them like a rat... hmm... Zieg Hiel
Amanpour has a cunt the size of all 22 Muslim countries she worships.
I say YES to torture on Jihadist pieces of shit. Waterboard them, beat them, rape them, whip them and burn them. What does it matter how an America-hating terrorist feels. They want to torture us, let's torture them.
Before we beat them, I would like to play USA country music to increase their misery and suffering. It will soothe the torturer's nerves before he dips their faces in battery acid.
Of course waterboardiing is torture, that's why it is used!
But so is homosexual rape and beating, which is the bread and butter of the American justice system! If this is okay for our own citizens, then why not for foreigners and members of inferior races?
I wonder if Thiessen is related to Fritz Thiessen who financed Hitler's rise to power and was the business partner of George W's grandfather Prescott? Is that how he came to work for Bush through his father's Nazi connections?
look thiessen, waterboarding is bullshit putting someones head in water is fuckin up the brain especially making the blood in the brain fuck up and changing this reaction rate of a person and weakens them its stupid also because of the immoral idocracy of who the hell would do that shit?
hilarious. Love how Felipe avoids and laughs off the question. Covenient to laugh because the attacks were twarted -yes by teh Bush administartion. Wouldn't be so funny if the planned attacks succeeded.
Marc Thiessen should be ashamed, but, as a spokesman for Jesse Helms for 6 years, he clearly knows no shame.
The US never used torture for 225 years, through revolutionary and civil wars, through 2 world wars, and a 40 year cold war, when the threats to our lives and security were far, far greater than today.
What makes Thiessen and his bosses suddenly so afraid that they abandon all honor and principles and stoop to torture now?
"They bring shame, disgrace and ruin" - George Washington.
If waterboarding is not torture and therefore illegal in the US, then why did the CIA find it necessary to destroy video of its use? If that video was released, then there would be no argument as to whether or not it constitute torture in the eyes of the American public. Thiessen is a rank fool
Also, Sands' last comment, first, was a lie. London was attacked on July 7th, 2005 by men who were unknown to British authorities. (I wonder if the attack could have been stopped if they were using enhanced interrogation) Secondly, the British government makes concessions to the Sharia's all the time. Lastly England is not the central focus of the Jihadi's America is. THOSE are the reasons why Britain has seen fewer attacks, not waterboarding.
Thiessen OWNED Sands and Amanpour and exposed them as the mental midgets that they are. These two are HARDCORE leftists who wish to sacrifice American lives in order to protect and convey rights to terrorists. They understand all of Thiessen's points without him even having to explain them and they choose to oppose intelligence gathering to the detriment of America. Their attitudes offend me and and if they had any dignity they would be ashamed of themselves, but what do you expect from the left
Waterboarding is no more torture than the fraternity hazing that went on at Abu Graib. These liberal news types are fighting against our military and all that it does to keep us safe. Amanpour is lead around by some dipshit in Cambodia and get smoke pumped up her ass and regurgitates it as fact. Her idea of waterboarding is way off base. She's always been in bed with the lefties, doesn't matter what continent she's on. Thiessen ate her lunch. She looked stupid and uninformed. Typical CNN
@crossbow1944 I would be shocked if you even know where Cambodia is...as a matter of fact, your moral bearing is so fucked up I doubt you would even be able to find it on a map! You make me ashamed to be an American!
Look at that Mr. Television at 1:00 and 1:13, he's totally busted, dumbfounded, has nothing to say. Because he knows it's complete bullshit. I'll have to award this round to Common sense AKA Thiessen.
Amanpour is way over her head in this interview. Dont they do any research before their shows? CNN is doing so poorly in the ratings that they probably cant afford research. This Phillippe guy is a total elitist/ academic with nothing but conjecture to offer. Mark T. delivered in this one - great job exposing these apologists pansies for what/ who they really are. Facts..........................................they work every time.
LOL I can't fucking believe people have some fake compassion for some TERRORISTS that KILL CIVILIANS(MUSLIMS and NON MUSLIMS) . The terrorists waterboarded haven't lost any part of their body and don't even have a scratch. Water boarding is simply what stopped many attacks, and it probably will stop many more in the future. ( DUH THAT'S WHY OBAMA NOTICED THAT A BIT LATE, AND GUANTANAMO IS STILL OPEN)
Amanpour is a joke. I stopped watching her when her bias became too painful to watch. I really enjoyed watching Marc Thiessen spank her. After watching the video, I ordered his book on Amazon.
Incidentally, ANYONE wonder which party Amanpour votes for? It shouldn't be obvious for someone in the news, but in her case it is painfully so. When CNN gets some unbiased anchors maybe I'll return as a viewer.
Phillip is lost on a large cushy sofa called academia without any 'Practical" knowledge other than textbook bullshit- Amanpour needs to be water boarded for sheer sport!
You're going to love this one, the OK City bombers couldn't make a functioning bomb until Nichols I believe visited the Phillipines the same time Ramzi Yousef's cell was there planning attacks.
Amanpour is a retard. 'Nuff said. I can't believe any sane person actually thinks she's a journalist. The INSANE partisan bias emanating from that hellion is painfully obvious - she's probably the MAIN reason CNN is tanking in the ratings. People are increasingly tuning out their pathetic shilling for the Democrat Party, for America's enemies, and for terrorists. These people need to be deported; they make me sick.
Ok last response I think - this is such a waste of time - and it seems that it has attracted all the islamophobic morons out there.
I can totally understand why someone would want to do harm on some of you crazies. I think you should all be required to try being the recipient of waterboarding. Lets see you change your tune then.
LOL I can't fucking believe people have some fake compassion for some TERRORISTS that KILL CIVILIANS(MUSLIMS and NON MUSLIMS) . The terrorists waterboarded haven't lost any part of their body and don't even have a scratch. Water boarding is simply what stopped many attacks, and it probably will stop many more in the future. ( DUH THAT'S WHY OBAMA NOTICED THAT A BIT LATE, AND GUANTANAMO IS STILL OPEN)
This guy should be waterboarded and then allowed to reassess his position. How does waterboarding get filed under the category of harsh interrogation and not torture? and why does this man think it's okay to waterboard, so long as the person is an not an American?? seriously!
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter ... also ... Are all the people of Iceland Terrorists ? can they all be waterboarding ... What a fucking douchebag
he has accomplished alot? like what? has he organized a hundred communities?
besides, the person you were responding to was talking about him beign a failure as president, so all you did in your answer to him was set up and then knock down a straw man
what you said was "have you been president of a country" as if you're implying that one cannot criticize unless one has walked in hsi exact shoes. So you most definitely were insuinuating that, and not talking about his life outside of the presidency.
that's not at all what im saying. you can critise the president all you want. im just saying that obama the person is not an 'epic fail'. if you misinterpret my words and think to interpret them better then the person who wrote them, then you are also pretty amazing. like obama :)
the main problem (i think) is that he wanted to much to soon. change is OK, but to much change doesn't fly with a lot of people.
in the beginning i was for hilary because i didn't think obama knew how politics works. hilary had more experience. mabey his lack of exp made him want to much to fast. But obama has a good vision, and is an inspiring leader and most important, he is not afraid to make the nescesary desicions, even if they hurt his popularity. so i now think he is a good leader.
I don't believe we should be in Afghanistan or Iraq, however we are screwed if our government and these liberals want to treat terrorists like they commited petty theft or jaywalking.
lol please give me a number of victims caused by Christian terrorism in the past 10 years.
meanwhile you hear about muslims setting off bombs and killing people in the name of their faith every day (whether in palestine or egypt or algeria or yemen or chechnya or afghanistan or iraq or pakistan or malaysia or the philippines or thailand or america)
2: crusades, while abhorrent, were a response to 3 centuries of unchecked islamic aggresion that resulted in the violent subjugation of christian north africa (the maghreb), the levant, anatolia, zoroastrian persia and eventually hindu asia.
3: the kkk hasnt been active for 40 years, more people are killed by jihadists every day than by the kkk in 4 decades
4:more people are killed by jihadis each year than in all 350 yrs of the spanish inquisition combined.
goddamn a simple google or wikipedia search (" wiki "timothy_mcveigh#Political_and_religious_views", "muslim_conquests", "Spanish_inquisition#Outcomes", and "Ku_Klux_Klan#Since_the_1970s" (my mistake, it's been 30 years)
but yes, please go on. are you going to bring up the couple dozen abortion murders in the past 3 decades as if that somehow evens the score with islams almost 15000 violent jihadi attacks just since 911,which killed 1/5 of the maximum casualty estimate of the span inq. in a day
The Crusades and the Inquisition were not terrorism. You can't just take anything undesirable and call it "terrorism." The former were a coalition of European armies out to retake land which was taken from them and the latter was the Spanish govt interrogating and torturing people they thought to be dissident Christians/latent Protestants. McVeigh was not inspired by the Bible to the best of my knowledge. The KKK did occasionally refer to it so you may have a small point there.
A "practicing Democracy" that believes in Torture? WTF? Shame on you America. Shame on your justice system, shame on the idiots in your government and shame on each citizen that does nothing to stop it.
If you can justify torturing any person, then you can justify torturing any person.
So you don't see any difference between a terrorist who wants to kill innocent people and a law abiding citizen? Keeping someone locked in a tiny cell for life is also tortue, should we release all prisoners too?
How many innocent civilians are at Guantanamo? Exactly...our government had the bright idea of paying Afghans that would give information that could lead to a terrorist being captured. Many turned in innocent neighbors just for the money.
To the best of my knowledge, none. All detainees at Gitmo have had their status reviewed by a military commission to determine if there was sufficient evidence to detain them.
None of the three terrorists who were waterboarded are innocent. How do I know, they said so.
Amanpour shows a picture of the Khmer Rouge using water torture and thinks it's waterboarding--I guess because there's water involved. I stopped listening to her after that. She's like a kid who hasn't done her homework and tries to bluff her way through by just being louder.
The incredible thing is is that this enemy of the united states amanpour has been reporting on the international scene for years....polluting peoples minds with her anti jewish dribble.....FUCKING arab bitch , why doesnt someone cut her HEAD off like her compadres do
Christine Amanpour is a Terrorist and CNN is the terrorists network. If it is funded by ARABS , it is in the interests of the ARABs to subvert the populations of the WEST. Get rid of CNN and hangg AManpoor by her manballs on the lamppost in fromt of the CNN building
Would eva braun been allowed on CNN during world war 2? No, but christine amanpour, an enemy of the united states and a terrorist in her own right is allowed on american TV
Republican family values that they don't live by but want you to--
Don't commit adultery, Don't father children by adultery, Don't have sex in airport bathrooms, Don't sleep with 18 yr old boys who work for you, don't hire hookers,don't bribe Native Americans,don't drink and drive, don't fly to south America to cheat on your wife and then lie to your children........
And oh ya, waterboarding is not torture when you do it to someone else...
Evidently conservatives don't remember WHY we have the Geneva convention. Remember the Bataan Death March?
Terrorist could start grabbing American civilians in every country around the world tomorrow and suddenly call them "enemy combatants".This includes relief aid workers, priest,nurses,college students, charitable org. members, etc. And then you would know what torture really is.
The again, Republicans are used to making other people live by their rules when they don't. Con't.
Marc fucks up right at the beginning. He loses his argument in 1 sec.
For conservative who don't think waterboarding is torture because combatants are not protected by the Geneva Convention-
Why do we stop at waterboarding? Why don't we cut off fingers or ears or noses? After all they don't have rights so we can do whatever we want.
And if they have no protection under the convention then why don't we severely disfigure and maim children? After all, kids would give up quicker than an adults....
Try listening. He never claims that waterboarding is not torture because combatants are not protected by the Geneva Conventions. He claims that US troops are lawful combatants and cannot be coerced in any way, even those short of torture.
Funny shit! He may as well have taken the heads of Amanpour and Phillipe and clunked them together. She got bled like a stuck pig with the blade of real facts.
Notice the left can not debate without resorting to insults. Rather than answer a question they know would prove them wrong, they start with the naive, immature, etc comments. I see this all the time. They dont listen, because they are too busy preaching to you. I think its hilarious that Christiane Amanpour doesnt even know what waterboaring is.
Eggzakly! Just look at thier faces when they hear the truth! How mant tortured terrorists were killed, maimed or disfigured by waterboarding? None!! Asshats the lot of them. Waterboarding is gay compared to what the enemy does. LoL! Britian doesn't torture anymore, Well it's a breeding ground for terrorists now partly because of it.
Hah, hah. You're such a looser Mark. The host didn't do the best job of defending her position. What you don't want people to realize when you talk about sear training is, the point is to simulate torture. It shows them what it's like in a non lethal, non permanent way. Torture is more about the mind more than physical sensations. And the kicker that you probably never thought of is, Abu Zubeda probably thanked CIA because he knew what a good recruiting tool it would be for jihadists....
How naive to think this would be some extra special recruiting tool. Give your head a shake, terrorists will use anything to exploit as a recruiting tool. They also use the American lifestyle as a recruitment tool, should we make American woman cover their heads and stop Hollywood from making movies? ANYTHING can be manipulated and exploited to use to recruit brainwashed zombies into blowing themselves up, including a bunch of virgins in the afterlife.
I agree fully. Having shaken my head a little, I still think that we don't need to add to their recruiting arsenel, when Torture is largely considered ineffective by trained interregators and other persons outside of the government trying to justify itself ex post facto. American 'Debaucherry' may be used to recruite now in part, but no terrorist recurited 19 people to kill themselves based on American lifestyle alone. 'Torture' is not special as a recuruiting tool. Just one of the many.
That's BS..similar training in Canada is under high stress to simulate what it is like, IE increasing the chances of survival. It isn't a walk in the park.. it is full on meant to make you crack..
If you're referring to my comment, then I feel like you support my point. I'm not sure what the 'BS' intro is about. I didn't say that we shouldn't do that in training. I made no judgement on that whatsoever, and nor did I downplay it's severity. I just meant that the goal of torture is to make your mind 'crack' as you put it. It's not just about the physical pain. The unfortunate (for the govt.) result of that is that people will say anything at that point that they 'crack'.
Ha ha. Ok. You got me. I've been out a while. Sorry if I offended you by not looking it up.
I agree with you on that stopping terrorist attacks takes presidence, but research points to torture being ineffective at stopping terrorist attacks. I believe research over a government trying to justify it's actions ex post facto...
I don't know what research your referring to, but the problem with torture is that it does work if you know what your doing (Mark Bowden wrote an article on torture that showed some of the techniques of Israel's Moussad). However, it is morally wrong and I oppose it for that reason. You can gather intelligence by building trust (sweet talking) with some prisoners, but that doesn't work on fanatics. You definitely need to give the CIA some tools (sleep deprivation, etc.) to work with.
I agree that it's morally wrong. But in addition, there are 3 possible outcomes from torture. 1. The guy resists, and doesn't talk. 2 The guy breaks down and tells you whatever you want to hear. 3 The guy breaks down and tells out the truth. The most frequently seen is situation 2, but you can't tell the difference between 2 and 3 so if you do happen on anything true, you have no way of knowing it. Ergo, it's fundamentally ineffective, and thus not worth it even if it was morally justified.
Which is why you have to know what you are doing. One way is to start off by asking for information you know, but they don't know that you know (if that makes sense). Then if they reveal the truth to you, then you slowly integrate questions pertaining to what you don't know. And you confirm this information with what other prisoners have told you. So again, if you know what you are doing, you can get effective intelligence from torture. Doesn't make it right, but you can.
Thiessen was not obfuscating. He was addressing the misinformation that is intentionally being distributed by the likes of Amanpour. She was actively misinforming in the current interview and does it as a matter of routine. It was Thiessen's intent to show her routines for what they are, which is completely apropo of the conversation.
Dogstar said; "Another Chickenhawk who would use the Military as his rhetorical foil."
Dogstar, that could easily describe Obama, who was never in the Military, never supported the Military in any Legislation, and even voted Present when the Defense Bill was before Congress.
The Office of the President of the United States is a civilian position in our form of government, as outlined in Article Two of the Constitution of the United States.
Do you have any spurious other claims against Barack Obama's legitimacy in office?
She's an insufferable b*tch, and that Brit lawyer is an ass.
Gitmo as a recruiting tool is not a cause and effect argument that holds water. The Muj will always have a reason to want to kill us. It's been going on for 1400 years.
There was no Gitmo before 9/11.
These apologists think that somehow we can placate these religious perverts and lunatics which shows you how little they understand our enemy and how vulnerable listening to them makes us.
Dogstar said; "In high-school biology class we stimulated our frogs leg muscles with a dry cell battery. "The frog doesn't know it's dissected" That's the same feeling I get watching former Bush Lie-Writer, Marc Thiessen being held up through three rounds regulation boxing with two Oxford minds. "
Uhh,, Hmmm, you meant two liberal socialist marxist Oxford minds.
Well, if you can find a sovereign nation and dictator for us to kill to make it all stop, then I'm sure you'll be the one to point the military in the right direction. If not, then you had best find a better analogy : )
It was a spirited debate with no clear victor until 0:59 when the anti waterboarding guy was asked if waterboarding our own solders was torture and all he could say was " I, I, I , Uh, I, Duh, Um, I, I, Er, Um". At that point the pro waterboard debater had won. Check and mate.
In high-school biology class we stimulated our frogs leg muscles with a dry cell battery. "The frog doesn't know it's dissected" That's the same feeling I get watching former Bush Lie-Writer, Marc Thiessen being held up through three rounds regulation boxing with two Oxford minds.
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Marc Thiessen has never been through Basic Training, let alone Advanced Infantry and beyond.
Another Chickenhawk who would use the Military as his rhetorical foil.
You don't walk the walk, you don't get to talk the talk. 'Nuff said.
Any part of military field drill is torture to the grunt, make no mistake about it. Your "hitch" is a duty and you serve it. It's not pleasent, it's not supposed to be. That's why we are obligated to support our veterans.
@dogstar7 Nuff said nothing jackass. I love the minority of veterans (which you claim to be but probably are not) who throw out the same line about how "if you haven't served, shut your mouth" has grown very tired. Obama hasn't served, so I guess he shouldn't be the Commander in Chief. FDR didn't either, and countless others. Come up with a real debating point because this one doesn't work unless you're arguing within your own liberal echo chamber
Do you feel so personally challenged by what I said about Mr. Thiessen that you are compelled to attack a stranger and make presumptions about my service?
Who the fuck do you think you are?
And what the fuck business do you have to defending Thiessen for?
This is what passes as a fairly moderated debate on MSNBC. The 'moderator' disputes every point the conservative tries to make, and tag-teams with the other guest to shout the conservative down.
When Mark lays out specific incidents and the info that stopped them, he got a non-responsive red-herring argument in return.
I know a Navy O-6 who went through SERE; it is VERY realistic training, and the kicker- Britain does it too!
Marc- US soldiers cant expect Geneva protections because AQ arent signatories, theyre not a nation-state. The flip-side of that is that THEY cant expect Geneva protections, either. To sum up succinctly: Long-term imprisonment? Recruiting tool! Waterboarding? Recruiting tool! Nation building/counterinsurgency? Recruiting tool! Alleged improper handling of Koran? Recruiting tool! This is simply lawfare and, while I cant know the motives of men like Mr. Sands, I can divine that theyre unfriendly.
Britain was kept safe by actions in Gitmo. Britain, no disrespect intended, is not a world leader or representative of capitalism that the US is. It is not a high value target.
The West has been targeted for who we are, (our lifestyle etc.) and not a specific action we've taken against the Islamic extremist. Said actions (Guantanamo Bay - Waterboarding) are just part of the "endless excuses" they use as propaganda for recruitment. At the end of the day no matter how we combat them, it's spun to fit their agenda. Liberals well never grasp this until they're personally attacked or ruled by a Caliphate dictator.
Do they wear military uniforms when they are engaged in fighting? They have no protections, waterboard them!! If they start putting uniforms on the babies and women they send in as suicide bombers, they get Geneva convention protections.
bubthegreat1 4 months ago
here is the principal behind brainwashing... they are "terrorists" which makes them less human and give us the right to drowned them like a rat... hmm... Zieg Hiel military intelligence...hmm...
gwengoad 11 months ago
here is the principal behind brainwashing... they are "terrorists" which makes them less human and give us the right to drowned them like a rat... hmm... Zieg Hiel
gwengoad 11 months ago
Amanpour has a cunt the size of all 22 Muslim countries she worships.
I say YES to torture on Jihadist pieces of shit. Waterboard them, beat them, rape them, whip them and burn them. What does it matter how an America-hating terrorist feels. They want to torture us, let's torture them.
Before we beat them, I would like to play USA country music to increase their misery and suffering. It will soothe the torturer's nerves before he dips their faces in battery acid.
Joelomite 1 year ago
Of course waterboardiing is torture, that's why it is used!
But so is homosexual rape and beating, which is the bread and butter of the American justice system! If this is okay for our own citizens, then why not for foreigners and members of inferior races?
cwldoc 1 year ago
I wonder if Thiessen is related to Fritz Thiessen who financed Hitler's rise to power and was the business partner of George W's grandfather Prescott? Is that how he came to work for Bush through his father's Nazi connections?
exenrontexas 1 year ago
"The vague term "Terrorism" has been augmented to include anyone who is against Globalism.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
CNN is Magnificent Propaganda
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AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
look thiessen, waterboarding is bullshit putting someones head in water is fuckin up the brain especially making the blood in the brain fuck up and changing this reaction rate of a person and weakens them its stupid also because of the immoral idocracy of who the hell would do that shit?
Advandnaruto 1 year ago
Thiessen has a small weiner.
Death2celebrity 1 year ago
Waterboarding Americans is wrong but others is OK? What an idiotic, racist statement.
afsoos1386 2 years ago 2
hilarious. Love how Felipe avoids and laughs off the question. Covenient to laugh because the attacks were twarted -yes by teh Bush administartion. Wouldn't be so funny if the planned attacks succeeded.
chumlee333 2 years ago
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Marc Thiessen should be ashamed, but, as a spokesman for Jesse Helms for 6 years, he clearly knows no shame.
The US never used torture for 225 years, through revolutionary and civil wars, through 2 world wars, and a 40 year cold war, when the threats to our lives and security were far, far greater than today.
What makes Thiessen and his bosses suddenly so afraid that they abandon all honor and principles and stoop to torture now?
"They bring shame, disgrace and ruin" - George Washington.
OregonPerspective 2 years ago
If waterboarding is not torture and therefore illegal in the US, then why did the CIA find it necessary to destroy video of its use? If that video was released, then there would be no argument as to whether or not it constitute torture in the eyes of the American public. Thiessen is a rank fool
robertcapuzzi 2 years ago
Also, Sands' last comment, first, was a lie. London was attacked on July 7th, 2005 by men who were unknown to British authorities. (I wonder if the attack could have been stopped if they were using enhanced interrogation) Secondly, the British government makes concessions to the Sharia's all the time. Lastly England is not the central focus of the Jihadi's America is. THOSE are the reasons why Britain has seen fewer attacks, not waterboarding.
lvtal0n 2 years ago
Thiessen OWNED Sands and Amanpour and exposed them as the mental midgets that they are. These two are HARDCORE leftists who wish to sacrifice American lives in order to protect and convey rights to terrorists. They understand all of Thiessen's points without him even having to explain them and they choose to oppose intelligence gathering to the detriment of America. Their attitudes offend me and and if they had any dignity they would be ashamed of themselves, but what do you expect from the left
lvtal0n 2 years ago
Waterboarding is no more torture than the fraternity hazing that went on at Abu Graib. These liberal news types are fighting against our military and all that it does to keep us safe. Amanpour is lead around by some dipshit in Cambodia and get smoke pumped up her ass and regurgitates it as fact. Her idea of waterboarding is way off base. She's always been in bed with the lefties, doesn't matter what continent she's on. Thiessen ate her lunch. She looked stupid and uninformed. Typical CNN
crossbow1944 2 years ago 5
Good input. Amanpour is a jackass. I have a lot of respect for Thiessen.
KRKahn87 2 years ago
You can really hear the anger in Thiessen's voice. He's pretty brave for going on there.
KRKahn87 2 years ago
@crossbow1944 I would be shocked if you even know where Cambodia is...as a matter of fact, your moral bearing is so fucked up I doubt you would even be able to find it on a map! You make me ashamed to be an American!
bastianj 1 year ago
Look at that Mr. Television at 1:00 and 1:13, he's totally busted, dumbfounded, has nothing to say. Because he knows it's complete bullshit. I'll have to award this round to Common sense AKA Thiessen.
bubthegreat1 2 years ago
Why are Liberals Always on the side of Islamic Extremists ?
chaumont20 2 years ago
Amanpour is way over her head in this interview. Dont they do any research before their shows? CNN is doing so poorly in the ratings that they probably cant afford research. This Phillippe guy is a total elitist/ academic with nothing but conjecture to offer. Mark T. delivered in this one - great job exposing these apologists pansies for what/ who they really are. Facts..........................................they work every time.
rufolo9 2 years ago
what a crusty squack
giasen 2 years ago
DO WE NOT TRAIN OUR TROOPS TO WITHSTAND WATERBOARDING?
Social Justice from liberals is about selectively and subjectively deciding what is and isn't about life regarding right/wrong
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LOL I can't fucking believe people have some fake compassion for some TERRORISTS that KILL CIVILIANS(MUSLIMS and NON MUSLIMS) . The terrorists waterboarded haven't lost any part of their body and don't even have a scratch. Water boarding is simply what stopped many attacks, and it probably will stop many more in the future. ( DUH THAT'S WHY OBAMA NOTICED THAT A BIT LATE, AND GUANTANAMO IS STILL OPEN)
juanmisimo 2 years ago
Amanpour is a joke. I stopped watching her when her bias became too painful to watch. I really enjoyed watching Marc Thiessen spank her. After watching the video, I ordered his book on Amazon.
Incidentally, ANYONE wonder which party Amanpour votes for? It shouldn't be obvious for someone in the news, but in her case it is painfully so. When CNN gets some unbiased anchors maybe I'll return as a viewer.
Carlos
LosCarLosCar 2 years ago 3
Phillip is lost on a large cushy sofa called academia without any 'Practical" knowledge other than textbook bullshit- Amanpour needs to be water boarded for sheer sport!
kobecat4 2 years ago 3
You're going to love this one, the OK City bombers couldn't make a functioning bomb until Nichols I believe visited the Phillipines the same time Ramzi Yousef's cell was there planning attacks.
drlax15m 2 years ago
Amanpour is a retard. 'Nuff said. I can't believe any sane person actually thinks she's a journalist. The INSANE partisan bias emanating from that hellion is painfully obvious - she's probably the MAIN reason CNN is tanking in the ratings. People are increasingly tuning out their pathetic shilling for the Democrat Party, for America's enemies, and for terrorists. These people need to be deported; they make me sick.
beautifulwilderness 2 years ago 2
Ok last response I think - this is such a waste of time - and it seems that it has attracted all the islamophobic morons out there.
I can totally understand why someone would want to do harm on some of you crazies. I think you should all be required to try being the recipient of waterboarding. Lets see you change your tune then.
Crazy people. (shaking head)
DazeyLin 2 years ago
What do you call a man that gets fired from his job and comes back the next day and shoots up his former place of employment?
A TERRORIST... Not matter what you are or what your religion is... If you go around killing for your own personal agenda your a TERRORIST
What do you call the Oklahoma city bombing?
A ACT OF TERROR
TERRORISM IS NOT JUST IN THE MIDDLE EAST... IT'S EVERYWHERE TIME TO WAKE UP PEOPLE AND SEE THE TRUTH FOR WHAT IT IS.
LooKC 2 years ago
@LooKC grammer check Does NOT MATTER
LooKC 2 years ago
Fucking Amanpour.....Do you work for Al-Qaida, Christiane????
antulio 2 years ago 2
LOL I can't fucking believe people have some fake compassion for some TERRORISTS that KILL CIVILIANS(MUSLIMS and NON MUSLIMS) . The terrorists waterboarded haven't lost any part of their body and don't even have a scratch. Water boarding is simply what stopped many attacks, and it probably will stop many more in the future. ( DUH THAT'S WHY OBAMA NOTICED THAT A BIT LATE, AND GUANTANAMO IS STILL OPEN)
juanmisimo 2 years ago
Mark Thiessen is right on!! ....and Gitmo should stay open.
tdm5874 2 years ago 2
Anybody able to back up or disprove his argument about the Geneva Convention?
Constillini9 2 years ago
This guy should be waterboarded and then allowed to reassess his position. How does waterboarding get filed under the category of harsh interrogation and not torture? and why does this man think it's okay to waterboard, so long as the person is an not an American?? seriously!
bipbopfrog 2 years ago
He should have it done on CNN so we can all watch him experience it.
TheFolkUtopia 2 years ago
what this guy is saying is that waterboarding IS NOT THE SAME as the torture in S-21, which wasnt simulated drowning but ACTUAL DROWNING
amanpour said that America did like they did in S-21. that's a lie. either that or the bitch is stupid
heatsketch 2 years ago
i love how the leftist rate down my comments en masse rather than replying to them and proving them wrong
what's that? they can't show anything I've posted here to be incorrect or inaccurate? so they have to resort to virtually shouting me down?
sounds like a typical leftist!
heatsketch 2 years ago 2
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter ... also ... Are all the people of Iceland Terrorists ? can they all be waterboarding ... What a fucking douchebag
MrNiceHk 2 years ago
This guy is SOOOOO full of shit!
MoJoSB 2 years ago
Obama = Epic Fail
DanScarlton 2 years ago
and you are probably to compared to obama.
or have you also been a president of a country?
stijnhaki 2 years ago
lol, cuz no ones allowed to judge the president unless they themselves have been president? so what was with you lefties during bushs presidency?
man you guy have some inconsistent norms
heatsketch 2 years ago
no, im saying that he has accomplised a lot in his life, more then most, so it's pretty hard to say he is an epic failure.
so you're part of the bush comment doesnt realy relate to my answer.
personaly, i have very consistent norms. i cant speak for the rest of the americans, but then again, im not american.
stijnhaki 2 years ago
he has accomplished alot? like what? has he organized a hundred communities?
besides, the person you were responding to was talking about him beign a failure as president, so all you did in your answer to him was set up and then knock down a straw man
heatsketch 2 years ago
what you said was "have you been president of a country" as if you're implying that one cannot criticize unless one has walked in hsi exact shoes. So you most definitely were insuinuating that, and not talking about his life outside of the presidency.
heatsketch 2 years ago
he became president, that is accomplising a lot.
and it appears you even know better then myself what i meant to say, so i guess there is no need for further conversation.
stijnhaki 2 years ago
lol so I shouldnt criticize him because he became president? what a stupid fucking position to take
heatsketch 2 years ago
that's not at all what im saying. you can critise the president all you want. im just saying that obama the person is not an 'epic fail'. if you misinterpret my words and think to interpret them better then the person who wrote them, then you are also pretty amazing. like obama :)
stijnhaki 2 years ago
lol alright my bad, you got a point.
so how's he not an epic failure, at least as a president? what campaign promises has he kept? what part of his agenda has he successfully passed?
heatsketch 2 years ago
the main problem (i think) is that he wanted to much to soon. change is OK, but to much change doesn't fly with a lot of people.
in the beginning i was for hilary because i didn't think obama knew how politics works. hilary had more experience. mabey his lack of exp made him want to much to fast. But obama has a good vision, and is an inspiring leader and most important, he is not afraid to make the nescesary desicions, even if they hurt his popularity. so i now think he is a good leader.
stijnhaki 2 years ago
Obama is a douchebag moron. He is WORSE than Jimmy Carter.
MuslimPigFuckers 2 years ago 2
@stijnhaki
nope, but I'm sure we could find vegetables that would do a better job then Obama
DanScarlton 1 year ago
I don't believe we should be in Afghanistan or Iraq, however we are screwed if our government and these liberals want to treat terrorists like they commited petty theft or jaywalking.
roseagain2 2 years ago
agreed and fuck the people rating you down
heatsketch 2 years ago
Is this Glen Becks brother?
kthorn612 2 years ago
Christian Taliban
nuff said...
FoxifiedNutjob 2 years ago
Indeed
MrNiceHk 2 years ago
lol please give me a number of victims caused by Christian terrorism in the past 10 years.
meanwhile you hear about muslims setting off bombs and killing people in the name of their faith every day (whether in palestine or egypt or algeria or yemen or chechnya or afghanistan or iraq or pakistan or malaysia or the philippines or thailand or america)
but yeah, it's all the same
heatsketch 2 years ago
Wait... gee let me think. Uhm.. crusades? Spanish inquisition? Timothy McVeigh? Ku Klux Klan... shall I go on?
DazeyLin 2 years ago
1: timothy mcveigh was an atheist
2: crusades, while abhorrent, were a response to 3 centuries of unchecked islamic aggresion that resulted in the violent subjugation of christian north africa (the maghreb), the levant, anatolia, zoroastrian persia and eventually hindu asia.
3: the kkk hasnt been active for 40 years, more people are killed by jihadists every day than by the kkk in 4 decades
4:more people are killed by jihadis each year than in all 350 yrs of the spanish inquisition combined.
heatsketch 2 years ago 2
goddamn a simple google or wikipedia search (" wiki "timothy_mcveigh#Political_and_religious_views", "muslim_conquests", "Spanish_inquisition#Outcomes", and "Ku_Klux_Klan#Since_the_1970s" (my mistake, it's been 30 years)
but yes, please go on. are you going to bring up the couple dozen abortion murders in the past 3 decades as if that somehow evens the score with islams almost 15000 violent jihadi attacks just since 911,which killed 1/5 of the maximum casualty estimate of the span inq. in a day
heatsketch 2 years ago
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heatsketch 2 years ago
hey left wingers, isntead of rating this comment down how about you demonstrate how im wrong?
you fucking pussies cant, and you know it. you are a bunch of intellectually bankrupt fools.
Come on! demonstrate to me how I am wrong! I fucking dare you
heatsketch 2 years ago 3
The Crusades and the Inquisition were not terrorism. You can't just take anything undesirable and call it "terrorism." The former were a coalition of European armies out to retake land which was taken from them and the latter was the Spanish govt interrogating and torturing people they thought to be dissident Christians/latent Protestants. McVeigh was not inspired by the Bible to the best of my knowledge. The KKK did occasionally refer to it so you may have a small point there.
rollotwomassey 2 years ago
@FoxifiedNutjob
My goodness lefties are so incompetent.
ASeventhSign 1 year ago
A "practicing Democracy" that believes in Torture? WTF? Shame on you America. Shame on your justice system, shame on the idiots in your government and shame on each citizen that does nothing to stop it.
If you can justify torturing any person, then you can justify torturing any person.
FoxifiedNutjob 2 years ago
So you don't see any difference between a terrorist who wants to kill innocent people and a law abiding citizen? Keeping someone locked in a tiny cell for life is also tortue, should we release all prisoners too?
roseagain2 2 years ago 6
@roseagain2
good point
frequentairbusflyer8 2 years ago
@FoxifiedNutjob
You're retarded. Common sense allows people like me to discern. It is a sheep such as yourself that can only understand extremes.
ASeventhSign 1 year ago
Terrorists are beneath animals. Don't torture them; Kill them ALL!
mildot556 2 years ago 4
nnjahansen;
How many innocent civilians are at Guantanamo? Exactly...our government had the bright idea of paying Afghans that would give information that could lead to a terrorist being captured. Many turned in innocent neighbors just for the money.
We tortured innocent civilians....sad
ccf22p 2 years ago
To the best of my knowledge, none. All detainees at Gitmo have had their status reviewed by a military commission to determine if there was sufficient evidence to detain them.
None of the three terrorists who were waterboarded are innocent. How do I know, they said so.
nnjhansen 2 years ago 6
@nnjhansen
Well, that says a lot about your best knowledge.
ASeventhSign 1 year ago
@ASeventhSign Yes it does, it is VERY good.
nnjhansen 1 year ago
One of the most pointless arguements I've ever seen. Ever.
gunther2011 2 years ago
This guy is an IDIOT and a racist.
mijo7 2 years ago
@ MrYoubrian... they do!
bfife911 2 years ago
Amanpour shows a picture of the Khmer Rouge using water torture and thinks it's waterboarding--I guess because there's water involved. I stopped listening to her after that. She's like a kid who hasn't done her homework and tries to bluff her way through by just being louder.
BDelsol 2 years ago
2 foreign born reporters make an American look fucking retarded....the Bush Administration continues to make us look ignorant.
ccf22p 2 years ago
We waterboard our troops to prepare them for torture.
CIA officers caught by any enemy should be tortured, according to right wing nuts, that is acceptable.
ccf22p 2 years ago
@ccf22p wow, excellent logic! i thought thesame
charms71 2 years ago
Prepare them for torture???
Why don't we break their fingers, burn them, put them on a rack too? That would prepare them for torture too, wouldn't it?
nnjhansen 2 years ago
Here's the ultimate compliment to Mr. Thiessen:
I'm going to buy his book now as a result of seeing him in action on CNN.
dmcfarli 2 years ago
The incredible thing is is that this enemy of the united states amanpour has been reporting on the international scene for years....polluting peoples minds with her anti jewish dribble.....FUCKING arab bitch , why doesnt someone cut her HEAD off like her compadres do
SHMUJEW 2 years ago
Christine Amanpour is a Terrorist and CNN is the terrorists network. If it is funded by ARABS , it is in the interests of the ARABs to subvert the populations of the WEST. Get rid of CNN and hangg AManpoor by her manballs on the lamppost in fromt of the CNN building
SHMUJEW 2 years ago
Would eva braun been allowed on CNN during world war 2? No, but christine amanpour, an enemy of the united states and a terrorist in her own right is allowed on american TV
SHMUJEW 2 years ago
Republican family values that they don't live by but want you to--
Don't commit adultery, Don't father children by adultery, Don't have sex in airport bathrooms, Don't sleep with 18 yr old boys who work for you, don't hire hookers,don't bribe Native Americans,don't drink and drive, don't fly to south America to cheat on your wife and then lie to your children........
And oh ya, waterboarding is not torture when you do it to someone else...
Some human beings have rights, others don't......
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
Con't.--
Evidently conservatives don't remember WHY we have the Geneva convention. Remember the Bataan Death March?
Terrorist could start grabbing American civilians in every country around the world tomorrow and suddenly call them "enemy combatants".This includes relief aid workers, priest,nurses,college students, charitable org. members, etc. And then you would know what torture really is.
The again, Republicans are used to making other people live by their rules when they don't. Con't.
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
Maybe you missed it but terrorists DO grab American civilians around the world and do far worse to them than waterboard them.
Watch the Daniel Pearl execution video is you doubt it.
nnjhansen 2 years ago 4
Marc fucks up right at the beginning. He loses his argument in 1 sec.
For conservative who don't think waterboarding is torture because combatants are not protected by the Geneva Convention-
Why do we stop at waterboarding? Why don't we cut off fingers or ears or noses? After all they don't have rights so we can do whatever we want.
And if they have no protection under the convention then why don't we severely disfigure and maim children? After all, kids would give up quicker than an adults....
MrYoubrian 2 years ago
Try listening. He never claims that waterboarding is not torture because combatants are not protected by the Geneva Conventions. He claims that US troops are lawful combatants and cannot be coerced in any way, even those short of torture.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
Marc is a fool. just trying to sell his book to wacko right wing nuts.
mbaguer 2 years ago
He fucking clobbered those fools. You're just a fucking idiot. Gonna cry, left wing whacko?
itachi705 2 years ago 4
Children are innocent NOT women!
TheSqueakyHeelsKid 2 years ago 2
Mark for President.
HalfLucky 2 years ago
Funny shit! He may as well have taken the heads of Amanpour and Phillipe and clunked them together. She got bled like a stuck pig with the blade of real facts.
damuddydog 2 years ago
THIS is why liberals and lefty democrats always lose the terror argument.
This guy and amanpour said that guantanamo bay should be closed cause it's used as a recruiting tool for terroists right?
So when pres.obama is dropping drones on terroists and killing them and their families...THAT"S NOT A RECRUITING TOOL?
So waterboarding a known terroist like KSM is immoral....But dropping a drone on a suspected terroist and his family in pakistan is a part of war?
buffalobills4eva 2 years ago 2
It's only a crime because it was under Bush. Where are all the war protesters now??? Oh, I forgot, it's king Obumers war now, it's ok.
freedrum 2 years ago
obumer?? do you listen to savage, if you do I salute you.
TheYellowFlash7171 2 years ago
Mark Thiessen cleaned this bitches clock!!! Keep your heads shoved up labambas ass libtards.
jimadoo 2 years ago 2
terrorist LOVE obama
travflo 2 years ago
Amanpour pwnd!
videotrax 2 years ago 2
Notice the left can not debate without resorting to insults. Rather than answer a question they know would prove them wrong, they start with the naive, immature, etc comments. I see this all the time. They dont listen, because they are too busy preaching to you. I think its hilarious that Christiane Amanpour doesnt even know what waterboaring is.
dkkght46 2 years ago
Eggzakly! Just look at thier faces when they hear the truth! How mant tortured terrorists were killed, maimed or disfigured by waterboarding? None!! Asshats the lot of them. Waterboarding is gay compared to what the enemy does. LoL! Britian doesn't torture anymore, Well it's a breeding ground for terrorists now partly because of it.
freedrum 2 years ago
dont forget about how they rate all right wing comments down en masse lol
heatsketch 2 years ago
and as if to prove me right, this comment as been rated down. LOL
heatsketch 2 years ago
CNN's liberal elitists get totally friggin' pwned. Bravo, Mark. Bravo.
jamesfreddyc 2 years ago
what the... did anyone else find this movie as sexy as I did?
jennbootz349 2 years ago
Hah, hah. You're such a looser Mark. The host didn't do the best job of defending her position. What you don't want people to realize when you talk about sear training is, the point is to simulate torture. It shows them what it's like in a non lethal, non permanent way. Torture is more about the mind more than physical sensations. And the kicker that you probably never thought of is, Abu Zubeda probably thanked CIA because he knew what a good recruiting tool it would be for jihadists....
tracerbulletnpi 2 years ago
How naive to think this would be some extra special recruiting tool. Give your head a shake, terrorists will use anything to exploit as a recruiting tool. They also use the American lifestyle as a recruitment tool, should we make American woman cover their heads and stop Hollywood from making movies? ANYTHING can be manipulated and exploited to use to recruit brainwashed zombies into blowing themselves up, including a bunch of virgins in the afterlife.
MyUtmost4Him 2 years ago
I agree fully. Having shaken my head a little, I still think that we don't need to add to their recruiting arsenel, when Torture is largely considered ineffective by trained interregators and other persons outside of the government trying to justify itself ex post facto. American 'Debaucherry' may be used to recruite now in part, but no terrorist recurited 19 people to kill themselves based on American lifestyle alone. 'Torture' is not special as a recuruiting tool. Just one of the many.
tracerbulletnpi 2 years ago
That's BS..similar training in Canada is under high stress to simulate what it is like, IE increasing the chances of survival. It isn't a walk in the park.. it is full on meant to make you crack..
EasyEs 2 years ago
If you're referring to my comment, then I feel like you support my point. I'm not sure what the 'BS' intro is about. I didn't say that we shouldn't do that in training. I made no judgement on that whatsoever, and nor did I downplay it's severity. I just meant that the goal of torture is to make your mind 'crack' as you put it. It's not just about the physical pain. The unfortunate (for the govt.) result of that is that people will say anything at that point that they 'crack'.
tracerbulletnpi 2 years ago
@tracerbulletnpi its not sear training, it is SERE (survival, evasion, resistance and escape)
And second, stopping terrorist attacks should take precedence over theoretically creating a "recruiting" tool.
Smashingnin 2 years ago
Ha ha. Ok. You got me. I've been out a while. Sorry if I offended you by not looking it up.
I agree with you on that stopping terrorist attacks takes presidence, but research points to torture being ineffective at stopping terrorist attacks. I believe research over a government trying to justify it's actions ex post facto...
tracerbulletnpi 2 years ago
I don't know what research your referring to, but the problem with torture is that it does work if you know what your doing (Mark Bowden wrote an article on torture that showed some of the techniques of Israel's Moussad). However, it is morally wrong and I oppose it for that reason. You can gather intelligence by building trust (sweet talking) with some prisoners, but that doesn't work on fanatics. You definitely need to give the CIA some tools (sleep deprivation, etc.) to work with.
Smashingnin 2 years ago
I agree that it's morally wrong. But in addition, there are 3 possible outcomes from torture. 1. The guy resists, and doesn't talk. 2 The guy breaks down and tells you whatever you want to hear. 3 The guy breaks down and tells out the truth. The most frequently seen is situation 2, but you can't tell the difference between 2 and 3 so if you do happen on anything true, you have no way of knowing it. Ergo, it's fundamentally ineffective, and thus not worth it even if it was morally justified.
tracerbulletnpi 2 years ago 3
Which is why you have to know what you are doing. One way is to start off by asking for information you know, but they don't know that you know (if that makes sense). Then if they reveal the truth to you, then you slowly integrate questions pertaining to what you don't know. And you confirm this information with what other prisoners have told you. So again, if you know what you are doing, you can get effective intelligence from torture. Doesn't make it right, but you can.
Smashingnin 2 years ago
well you can tell the difference between 2 and 3 by seeing if previous or other informations connect with the interrogation results.
Espartan251 2 years ago
Thiessen was not obfuscating. He was addressing the misinformation that is intentionally being distributed by the likes of Amanpour. She was actively misinforming in the current interview and does it as a matter of routine. It was Thiessen's intent to show her routines for what they are, which is completely apropo of the conversation.
kifn2 2 years ago 6
What "misinformation" was that, exactly? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the term. Obfuscation means trying to confuse and misdirect.
Both Amanpour and Sands had to repeatedly steer Thiessen back to the subject.
At one point Thiessen actually produces passages from a story by Amannpour in an attempt to discredit her.
What did that have to do with his book?
He brought that onto the set with him to ambush her with in her own studio.
What a creep!
dogstar7 2 years ago
"What a creep! "
Yup, what was he doing, reading his leftie host's words back to her as if she could be expected to defend them? Topsy turvy, this.
farche2 2 years ago
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dogstar7 2 years ago
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Still wondering what she was supposed to defend...? Water-boarding is torture. What was Amanpour being requested to amend, anyway?
dogstar7 2 years ago
Dogstar said; "Another Chickenhawk who would use the Military as his rhetorical foil."
Dogstar, that could easily describe Obama, who was never in the Military, never supported the Military in any Legislation, and even voted Present when the Defense Bill was before Congress.
Ratt, USN 71 -77 USS Forrestal CVA-59
Ratturd3 2 years ago
@Ratturd3
The Office of the President of the United States is a civilian position in our form of government, as outlined in Article Two of the Constitution of the United States.
Do you have any spurious other claims against Barack Obama's legitimacy in office?
dogstar7 2 years ago
This form of attack is called obfuscation.
The subject is waterboarding under the Bush Administration. Yet several posters here have tried to shift the argument to everyone from Obama to FDR!
Incredible!
dogstar7 2 years ago
Thiessen tried this himself in the interview and was called out for it more than once. Are you all shills?
dogstar7 2 years ago
Marc kicked ass.
lizardboy16 2 years ago 2
Nice job, Marc.
She's an insufferable b*tch, and that Brit lawyer is an ass.
Gitmo as a recruiting tool is not a cause and effect argument that holds water. The Muj will always have a reason to want to kill us. It's been going on for 1400 years.
There was no Gitmo before 9/11.
These apologists think that somehow we can placate these religious perverts and lunatics which shows you how little they understand our enemy and how vulnerable listening to them makes us.
jcruenv 2 years ago 4
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Dogstar said; "In high-school biology class we stimulated our frogs leg muscles with a dry cell battery. "The frog doesn't know it's dissected" That's the same feeling I get watching former Bush Lie-Writer, Marc Thiessen being held up through three rounds regulation boxing with two Oxford minds. "
Uhh,, Hmmm, you meant two liberal socialist marxist Oxford minds.
Ratturd3 2 years ago
Thiessen destroyed Amanpour with her own statement. That was classic!
double07dave 2 years ago 7
During World War Two we should have stopped doing things that made the Nazis mad because they used our attacks against them as a recruiting tool.
loetzfan 2 years ago 8
Well, if you can find a sovereign nation and dictator for us to kill to make it all stop, then I'm sure you'll be the one to point the military in the right direction. If not, then you had best find a better analogy : )
tracerbulletnpi 2 years ago
Marc's intellect and arguments soar over these twits.
ctk777 2 years ago 9
It was a spirited debate with no clear victor until 0:59 when the anti waterboarding guy was asked if waterboarding our own solders was torture and all he could say was " I, I, I , Uh, I, Duh, Um, I, I, Er, Um". At that point the pro waterboard debater had won. Check and mate.
loetzfan 2 years ago 9
In high-school biology class we stimulated our frogs leg muscles with a dry cell battery. "The frog doesn't know it's dissected" That's the same feeling I get watching former Bush Lie-Writer, Marc Thiessen being held up through three rounds regulation boxing with two Oxford minds.
dogstar7 2 years ago
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Marc Thiessen has never been through Basic Training, let alone Advanced Infantry and beyond.
Another Chickenhawk who would use the Military as his rhetorical foil.
You don't walk the walk, you don't get to talk the talk. 'Nuff said.
Any part of military field drill is torture to the grunt, make no mistake about it. Your "hitch" is a duty and you serve it. It's not pleasent, it's not supposed to be. That's why we are obligated to support our veterans.
To Marc Thiessen, we're political pawns
dogstar7 2 years ago
@dogstar7 Nuff said nothing jackass. I love the minority of veterans (which you claim to be but probably are not) who throw out the same line about how "if you haven't served, shut your mouth" has grown very tired. Obama hasn't served, so I guess he shouldn't be the Commander in Chief. FDR didn't either, and countless others. Come up with a real debating point because this one doesn't work unless you're arguing within your own liberal echo chamber
drumuitar 2 years ago 2
@drumuitar
Where do you get off calling me a "jackass'?
Do you feel so personally challenged by what I said about Mr. Thiessen that you are compelled to attack a stranger and make presumptions about my service?
Who the fuck do you think you are?
And what the fuck business do you have to defending Thiessen for?
dogstar7 2 years ago
This is what passes as a fairly moderated debate on MSNBC. The 'moderator' disputes every point the conservative tries to make, and tag-teams with the other guest to shout the conservative down.
When Mark lays out specific incidents and the info that stopped them, he got a non-responsive red-herring argument in return.
I know a Navy O-6 who went through SERE; it is VERY realistic training, and the kicker- Britain does it too!
LookLocal2008 2 years ago 7
You don't know sh!t,for starter your Amanpour is on CNN. Your so blinded by your ignorance and hatred you can't even think straight.
blingbling65943 2 years ago
LOL. Thiessen pwned these two clowns.
badgenome 2 years ago 5
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America tortures. You must be so proud.
jymnmer 2 years ago
@jymnmer
We also house, feed, and clothe the mentally ill. Apparently you guys have internet access too...
robicon78 2 years ago 4
How many hundreds of millions have your country sent to Haiti?
loetzfan 2 years ago 2
"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." -----
Ronald Wilson Reagan, 40th President of the UNited States of America.
cyates357 2 years ago 9
"It's true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the chance?"
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."
Ronald Wilson Reagan, 40th President of the UNited States of America.
blingbling65943 2 years ago
Yeah, there are whole lists of Reagan one liners if you search. Some were funny and some were not.
rmamom 2 years ago
Excellent job, Marc.
WeAreGeo 2 years ago 5
Marc- US soldiers cant expect Geneva protections because AQ arent signatories, theyre not a nation-state. The flip-side of that is that THEY cant expect Geneva protections, either. To sum up succinctly: Long-term imprisonment? Recruiting tool! Waterboarding? Recruiting tool! Nation building/counterinsurgency? Recruiting tool! Alleged improper handling of Koran? Recruiting tool! This is simply lawfare and, while I cant know the motives of men like Mr. Sands, I can divine that theyre unfriendly.
rollotwomassey 2 years ago 3
I really can't stand AH-MON-POOOOOWAH
chorkybrenner 2 years ago 6
Britain was kept safe by actions in Gitmo. Britain, no disrespect intended, is not a world leader or representative of capitalism that the US is. It is not a high value target.
rwnutjob 2 years ago 9
LOL, you Americans are so phucken stupid. Really, just sit down and let the adults do their jobs.
blingbling65943 2 years ago
"Americans are phucken stupid" Biting insightful comment from someone not bright enough to refute an argument. Ouch.
rwnutjob 2 years ago
You know so little about the world you live in its appalling. Like a small child who believes in the tooth fairy.
You display your ignorance for all to see and are so dumb you think the laughter you here is applause.
blingbling65943 2 years ago
You're so dumb that you don't know the difference between here and hear.
danielarlenecool 2 years ago
You go Mark! Do you think they hear us YET?
flowerpower6161 2 years ago 7
The West has been targeted for who we are, (our lifestyle etc.) and not a specific action we've taken against the Islamic extremist. Said actions (Guantanamo Bay - Waterboarding) are just part of the "endless excuses" they use as propaganda for recruitment. At the end of the day no matter how we combat them, it's spun to fit their agenda. Liberals well never grasp this until they're personally attacked or ruled by a Caliphate dictator.
ciscokid998 2 years ago 9
"How do you explain that there have been no attacks on the UK in the last five years?"
Mr. Famous British Person, google 7/7.
farche2 2 years ago 5
Not to mention the Heathrow plot which was foiled by the US interrogation program.
machalot 2 years ago 5