Biedermann could have won this race with or without the suit I believe. Even though the suit was a factor to his win, you can't deny that he does have speed. The only thing I absolutely hate about Biedermann is the 400 free in Rome 2009... BS. A great record beaten by the suit.
bidermann is a steroid using cheating fuck. the 400 record is thorpes and the 200 is phelps. the record does not count if no one respects it therefore biedermann has no records
@lawrence51304 biedermann isnt bad, he rpolly wouldnt have won but he wouldve easily medaled and challenged phelps. just look at the 2011 200 free at worlds
A lot of Americans say that Biedermann won because of suit,but no one says that in Beijing final Biedermann was swimming without swim cap and in adidas jammer...In Beijing final Phelps had 2 caps and full body LZR suit,which was the best suit at that time.I respect Phelps and he is awsome swimmer,but Biedermann is also great guy and great swimmer,show him some respect,if you make it to the olympics final and come 6th would you think you suck?
@DreamBigSwimStrong first of all 2 caps doesnt do anything but keep the cap on your head and seconds biederman was a wearing a full legskin so get your facts right
sorry for the mistake,but what diference does it make,adidas was nothing against full body LZR...and swimmers wear 2 caps to minimise resistance of the water...i don't judge Michael but give Paul respect also because he's one awsome swimmer,and he won it fair against Phelps...
i just wish more people would watch old races without the suits when people like thorpe hackett, van den hoogenband, klete keller and all the others raced with pure training and still broke many record
i myself believe(this is just my opinion) that thorpe's world record of 1:44.06 would still be standing if it weren't for the great advances in suit technology(again this is just my opinion)
i like the old races better when they were all in briefs
@ilike2eatt yeah i know but it still was a better suit than thorpe's but yeah that should be the record i hope fina realizes that and switches record back to before 2008
I just don't know that Ian Thorpe has it in him anymore to be able to get close to these guys. Once he swapped coaches he wasn't even coming close to his own world record in the 200m. He kept saying he could go faster and create better times, but we never got to see that, then he retired. I'm just not sure he will get anywhere near the world records, Phelps and the German swimmer (don't know his name) have created and he will have to if he wants any chance at getting a medal placing,
I just don't know that Ian Thorpe has it in him anymore to be able to get close to these guys. Once he swapped coaches he wasn't even coming close to his own world record in the 200m. He kept saying he could go faster and create better times, but we never got to see that, then he retired. I'm just not sure he will get anywhere near the world records, Phelps and the German swimmer (don't know his name) and he will have to if he wants any chance at getting a medal placing,
Swim suits don't get up at 5:00 am and do weights, conditioning and all that's required to be the best. Phelps got beat on this day by a better conditioned swimmer. But I have no doubt that Michael will bounce back and take Biedermann down the next time they meet in international competition.
@ilikewiigames That is because the middle lanes are reserve for the fastest people, Olympic pools tends to have 6~8 lanes, so for the 6 lanes its usually 3/4 that are the fastest, for the 8 lane pools its 4/5
@percdann Thorpe is a much better swimmer then Biedermann and that everyones on level playing with without the swimsuit debacle do really believe Phelps got beat here?
I ask Bob Bowman: so, what will it take for you to accept that Michael looses a race? according to Bowman, if a swimmer improves his performance in less time that it took michael, it is impossible.
what i really dislike about the whole controversy over the suit was Bob Bowman's reaction. It was unprofessional and childish. "Oh, since my pupil lost I will threaten FINA to ban suits or else Michael is not going to race". Just like good old Schumacher used to do in F1: "if I loose, disqualify whoever is kicked my ass, or else I will leave F1"
@Rac1ng4Live no, the audio on this vid was lagging behind the image. find a better version and you will see they did not false start. and dont you think the comentators would have noticed if they all had a false start, not to mention the judges.
biedermann beat phelps in this, hands down. but i dont think biedermann shouldve gotten that 400 free record, thropes was just .01 slower and that was without the x glide or whatever biedermannw as wearing
Ian Thorpe was the last person to beat Phelps at athens 2004 i dont Biedermann is anythink special the suits definetly had somethink to do with this record 1:42 is crazy for a freestyle record in 200m
biedermann's stroke is awesome!!! smooth , almost perfect.... I think it has nothing to do with the suit.... anyway… doesn’t USA has the better technology in the world??? (gosh, was that English right?)
btw: these are 2 very good swimmers, I think not the suite won the race, it was the faster stroking of biedermann,if phelps would have brought his arms to the front that fast,he would have won this race.
What I don't understand is how did Biedermann in 2008 finished in a time of 1:47.09 then 1 YEAR later goes 1:42.00. To me that is unheard of epically for a national competitor. Phelps could not possibly pull that one off.
@warrenG54 Just take an look to the suits. He just wore an 'old' suit at the Olympics, and in 2009 he wore the best suit possible. That's around 3 seconds allready. And improving 2 seconds in one year is possible. certainly at that age.
@asterix645 thie video is asynchorn, audio is delayed. take a look at this video, they didn't start false. look for the video "Schwimm WM 2009 Rom - Paul Biedermann vs. Michael Phelps - 200 m Freistil - Männer Finale - ARD"
Phelps needed to go out harder. In his butterfly races, especially the 100 fly, he can outdo everyone on the second half of the race. However, in freestyle races, the rest of the competition can hold their own endurance wise, IE why Phelps has never been good at the 400 free. Biedermann won the 400 free in world record time, which means that hes moving down for the 200 free. If he's ahead the after the first 100 and this is a shorter distance than what hes used to, then hes untouchable.
i hope bidermann goes faster than phelps this summer without the suits. The all you phelps lovers can't blame the suits, but u guys will probably say they weren't head to head so thats why phelps didn't go as fast as he did.
@XxKingJoJoxX@hotjulio123 You can only really compare stroke style and endurance when both athletes are wearing the same suits. Having done triathlons for years, I can tell you, my suit looks incredible the whole distance when I'm wearing a buoyant wet suit than not. My stroke will more quickly break down when I'm swiimming in jammers because of the lack of buoyancy and streamline.
wonder what Steriods Paul was taking at the worlds, he wasnt that quick in China or Melbourne, Phelps was at his best, and for someone to take 6 months away from swimming and finishing in a highly respectabale time and win silver, i thought Phelps did well, Biedermann right place right time, who' knows who'll win next time
can someone tell me where Tae wan Park is in this event, didnt he make the final, hardly any finalist here from beijing apart from Phelps and Biedermann
Deadlycolli, how can you say that, when even Biedermann himself reckons the suit is worth 0.7 per 50m. Everyone else did improve with the suit and clearly Biedermann is the second best in the event, but he shouldn't be beating Phelps. Biedermann's massive improvement was in part due to having never used the LZR, the loss of which will obviously make Phelps slower too; however, Phelps is the only person to go under 1.44 in a textile suit, and I see no evidence that Biedermann or anyone else could
if its purely the suit caused Biedermann to improve by 4 seconds then why hasnt every1 else improved by 4 seconds or over? Pretty much everyone else is wearing those suits as well and they haven't improved that much. Face it, although Phelps is the greatest swimmer ever, he's clearly met his match in the 200 free. Despite the fact that Phelps had a better dive and better turns, plus having that brilliant dolphin kick, Biedermann was STILL able to beat him. His freestyle stroke is clearly better.
it's obvious that by just comparing freestyle stroke,Phelps is the not the best in the world(e.g. iAN tHORPE,Biedermann)...The only adv that he has is great underwater kick.
my goodness. even with the suit, biedemann's stroke is gorgeous. ignore the suit, and look at the strokes side by side. based on technique, and endurance (biedemann came down from the 400) biedemann still might win that race if they were both wearing poly suits.
@hotjulio123 Just as an opinion Biderman kept his endurance in his last 50; most swimmers don't do that and you're right it doesn't matter about the suit :)
@hsclane4 ha. thanks for agreeing with me. as a side note. Daniela Izotov, and a couple other ruskies in the final? Young kid, dropped a bit of time leading up to his bronze medal. Can we say his time was due to a 'super suit'? or will he just pwn all.
@hotjulio123 You can only really compare stroke style and endurance when both athletes are wearing the same suits. Having done triathlons for years, I can tell you, my suit looks incredible the whole distance when I'm wearing a buoyant wet suit than not. My stroke will more quickly break down when I'm swiimming in jammers because of the lack of buoyancy and streamline.
@Gynecologist Sorry, who's still ranked inside the top 5 for both events a year later? Mr. Biedermann. who's stroke essentially looks the same? Mr. Biedermann. Who's ranked ahead of phelps in the 200 free? Mr. Biedermann. There's a giant difference between the illegal suits and actual wetsuits. Not really comparable.
@hotjulio123 phelps gets more distance per stroke than biederman even without the suit. therefore, phelps stoke is better. i'm sure if they both wore the same suit and phelps was in better shape during these world champs, he could have beaten beiderman
I'm sorry MVPacMan23, but Biedermann is the better freestyler. His technique is definitely better. I'm not saying Phelps isn't a great freestyler, he is. It's just a suit doesnt make that much of a difference and you do know that the lazer Phelps was wearing has patches of the same material that Biedermann was wearing. It would make a difference in the time, but only up to about .3 to .4 of a second at most. Plus, look at the way Paul swam the race, his latter half is far stronger than michael's
Maybe because he wasn't as tired because he was wearing a cheat-suit? You do not improve 4 seconds in a year, and that's what it is exactly. That's a suit.
If the suits played that much of a factor in Biedermann's victory, why was he the only one who beat Phelps?Why didn't Basson beat Phelps too(Basson was faster than Biedermann in Beijing)? I don't think you can drop 7s from just wearing a suit alone. I know they give an advantage but in Biedermann's case, there's more to it (TRAINING) than just the suit.
Sorry, let me clarify. I agree that the suits do give one an advantage, butt it takes more than a suit to improve by that much.The suits were banned because FINA decided to screw up and open Pandora's box in the first place.
He did that because he can stay on top of the water more hanks to the suit. Phelps can't because he's NOT CHEATING Get that through your head. You simply cannot drop 7 seconds in a year no matter what you do.
In my opinion Biedermann is the better Freestyler. I know he was wearing a better suit than Phelps but that was a quite alot to take off the world record. His stroke is better too in my opinion, look how far he stretches with his arms, its crazy. Phelps is still the king though.
He did that because he can stay on top of the water more hanks to the suit. Phelps can't because he's NOT CHEATING Get that through your head. You simply cannot drop 7 seconds in a year no matter what you do.
@brysonhappyface any person who knows anything about swimming knows that any suit cant create that much of a distance in time in a 200. I like Michael Phelps but we have to admit that he has found his nemesis, in the freestyle at least.
@MARMOFLASH Any person that knows anything about swimming will know that Biedermann finished 5th in the Olympic Finals in a time of 1.46. Now I know he would have been training etc, but to gain 4 seconds, in one year? Thats a lot. I'm not saying he's not a good swimmer, I'm just saying that he was aided by the suit, just like everyone else that wore it.
Im pretty sure everyone else in that final except phelps had a supersuit on, yet he wrecked all of them too didn't he? Hes a beast. Im an American but Biedermann is just strait up better at the 200 free. Phelps has better turns but Biedermanns stroke is just so nice he cant be stopped.
hmmm weird to see beiderman beats hes own record by 7 seconds and beat thorpe record and then beat phelps i think you gotta ask questions or get rid of those fucking suit its redicouls
I agree. But Beiderman's stroke is so long, powerful, and efficient (arm out of the water, then a straight reach forward, while Phelps looked to have a bit more of an arcing motion) - it's just perfect - that it's hard to image that he wouldn't have beaten Phelps here even if they wore same suits. It will be interesting to see what happens.
LZR. Powerskin is older. But honestly, if you can find one just go for the FS-PRO, there isn't much difference between the two and the PROs are much cheaper.
With no suit, this year will tell us who the REAL swimmers are! No fancy LZR or Arena etc. etc. I would love to see Phelps/ Biedermann and Phelps/Cavic race this year with the jammers on! Who would win I wonder?
Danila Izotov has a big future. I know that he's only 18 years old... He swims 100 free in sc meter pool in 45 and he swam 200 free in 1:40:08 in sc.. (without a full bodysuit) I think he's a big competitor of Phelps and Biedermann...
with or without it he would have won he is just better than phelps and if you watch menschen bilder emotionen 2009 he explains a lot there about his suit hehehe it´s kinda a cool that a german bet an american in swimming
if everybody would be naked it would be kinda fair^^
no,let's be honest: if everybody had worn the same equipment, it would be fair,there you're right,but if you're not such a pro swimmer, and you have to swim against others who spend their money in those things, you feel worse, because it's not fair
Biederman says himself his suit is better, that's not cheating. Phelps could wear the same suit, non one forces him to wear Speedo -- except that they pay him a lot of money. There was a time when his outfit was the best. Now it's outdated. I think that the best athletes should compete with the best equipment, only then it is fair - no tennis player has a wooden racket.
Biedermann could have won this race with or without the suit I believe. Even though the suit was a factor to his win, you can't deny that he does have speed. The only thing I absolutely hate about Biedermann is the 400 free in Rome 2009... BS. A great record beaten by the suit.
ch1do121 3 days ago
this was the race that banned the suits
KonnerScottMusic 5 days ago
lol cheat suit :P
TheRazza333 1 week ago
@youalreadyknow2314 sorry for that, i knew that,but i think he could be better!
lawrence51304 3 months ago
biedermann suck dicks !
MrZ00N 4 months ago
bidermann is a steroid using cheating fuck. the 400 record is thorpes and the 200 is phelps. the record does not count if no one respects it therefore biedermann has no records
mvisgay123 5 months ago
@mvisgay123 it was th suit, not steriods retard
youalreadyknow2314 3 months ago 2
@mvisgay123 too right
1gillija 1 week ago
I can't say that biedermann wasn't a good swimmer,but it's really about the suit!!!
lawrence51304 6 months ago
@lawrence51304 biedermann isnt bad, he rpolly wouldnt have won but he wouldve easily medaled and challenged phelps. just look at the 2011 200 free at worlds
youalreadyknow2314 3 months ago
let's don't talk about the suit, this thing make men swimmer look everridiculous and disgusting . but look really great on women :)
sadkiss99 6 months ago
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sadkiss99 6 months ago
Biedermann is awesome the best swimmer on freestyle on our planet
Dschland92 6 months ago 2
phelps wrecked biedermen at the olympics the year before.... either he sucked in beijing or he trained rlly hard
Swimmer2902 6 months ago
@Swimmer2902
A lot of Americans say that Biedermann won because of suit,but no one says that in Beijing final Biedermann was swimming without swim cap and in adidas jammer...In Beijing final Phelps had 2 caps and full body LZR suit,which was the best suit at that time.I respect Phelps and he is awsome swimmer,but Biedermann is also great guy and great swimmer,show him some respect,if you make it to the olympics final and come 6th would you think you suck?
DreamBigSwimStrong 6 months ago 3
@DreamBigSwimStrong first of all 2 caps doesnt do anything but keep the cap on your head and seconds biederman was a wearing a full legskin so get your facts right
Swimmer2902 6 months ago
@Swimmer2902
sorry for the mistake,but what diference does it make,adidas was nothing against full body LZR...and swimmers wear 2 caps to minimise resistance of the water...i don't judge Michael but give Paul respect also because he's one awsome swimmer,and he won it fair against Phelps...
DreamBigSwimStrong 6 months ago
dude, every one of them started before the beep O_o
appalloisis 7 months ago
im a realy big fan of michael phelps but paul biederman is better in freestyle and phelps is better in butterfly ^^
klotz12362 8 months ago
i just wish more people would watch old races without the suits when people like thorpe hackett, van den hoogenband, klete keller and all the others raced with pure training and still broke many record
i myself believe(this is just my opinion) that thorpe's world record of 1:44.06 would still be standing if it weren't for the great advances in suit technology(again this is just my opinion)
i like the old races better when they were all in briefs
splitkostanjeuma 8 months ago 3
@splitkostanjeuma phelps did a 1:43.86 with a textile suit.
ilike2eatt 7 months ago
@ilike2eatt yeah i know but it still was a better suit than thorpe's but yeah that should be the record i hope fina realizes that and switches record back to before 2008
splitkostanjeuma 7 months ago
is it just me or did they false start? haha
AgsProdX 8 months ago 86
@AgsProdX video - audio, bug
girlzcallmefry 6 months ago
@AgsProdX the left with the strobe light. light travels fast than sound so its legal. im a swimmer that's how i know
nextmichealphelps 4 months ago
@nextmichealphelps i know that im a great swimmer, but the light and sound are never that far apart.
AgsProdX 4 months ago
@nextmichealphelps cant believe how stupid you are
Neghter 3 months ago
@AgsProdX its you
theskedemies 3 months ago
@AgsProdX you play runescape :o
WhySoPwn 2 weeks ago
0:58 So buff that he shook the camera
dougouk 9 months ago 6
How's Bidermann doing now???
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TheOrangelover101 9 months ago
German coaches train swimmers to be efficient, efficient, efficient. Bidermann is the perfect example of that
Svenbrian 9 months ago
fucking beautiful stroke
vmntmn 9 months ago
a german monster, terrific power!
emy1968 9 months ago
I just don't know that Ian Thorpe has it in him anymore to be able to get close to these guys. Once he swapped coaches he wasn't even coming close to his own world record in the 200m. He kept saying he could go faster and create better times, but we never got to see that, then he retired. I'm just not sure he will get anywhere near the world records, Phelps and the German swimmer (don't know his name) have created and he will have to if he wants any chance at getting a medal placing,
Tam712 10 months ago
I just don't know that Ian Thorpe has it in him anymore to be able to get close to these guys. Once he swapped coaches he wasn't even coming close to his own world record in the 200m. He kept saying he could go faster and create better times, but we never got to see that, then he retired. I'm just not sure he will get anywhere near the world records, Phelps and the German swimmer (don't know his name) and he will have to if he wants any chance at getting a medal placing,
Tam712 10 months ago
Can't fucking wait for London 2012, Biedermann, Phelps and Thorpe all the same race.
Deadlycolli 10 months ago
@Deadlycolli That would be the fucking race of the century. Also the guys from france who are really good in the 200m freestyle.
luanswan2002 9 months ago
What if Thorpe was there? That would've made it really interesting!
xenialvirtuoso 10 months ago
Michael phelps was never that strong of a freestyler ;\,
Cvoong 10 months ago
are they breathing every stroke? xD
HenryMakdonaldz 10 months ago
Swim suits don't get up at 5:00 am and do weights, conditioning and all that's required to be the best. Phelps got beat on this day by a better conditioned swimmer. But I have no doubt that Michael will bounce back and take Biedermann down the next time they meet in international competition.
He'll be back........
1blastman 10 months ago
seems like in almost every race, racers are shaped in a >>> fashion, with the ppl in the middle leading.
ilikewiigames 11 months ago
@ilikewiigames Thats on purpose , for heats at swim meets the fastest qualifier is in lane 4 and the slowest on the out side lanes
TheHousebatman 10 months ago
@ilikewiigames That is because the middle lanes are reserve for the fastest people, Olympic pools tends to have 6~8 lanes, so for the 6 lanes its usually 3/4 that are the fastest, for the 8 lane pools its 4/5
Cvoong 10 months ago
Not a chance he could beat him without the suit....biedermann dropped from 1.43 and change to 1.42 dead in 8 months?? Cmon guys...
percdann 11 months ago
Thorpe is gonna smash Biedermann in 2012
DarthMuse 11 months ago
@DarthMuse Thorpe will be very very lucky to even make it TO london, he has practically no chance of staying with phelps or biedermann...
percdann 11 months ago
@percdann Thorpe is a much better swimmer then Biedermann and that everyones on level playing with without the swimsuit debacle do really believe Phelps got beat here?
DarthMuse 11 months ago
Super Biedemann, Lets say the swimsuit gives him .50 of a second, still
.45 of a second below the WR.
1ddbb1 11 months ago
screw bidermann at the olympic in 08 he was in lane 2 and finished 7th
there is no way he could reach micheal phelps' point in 1 year phelps was just beaten by technology so hes still the winner of the race tchnically
budddy8me 11 months ago
Does swimming regularly make you grow taller?
TheLeilisa 1 year ago
@TheLeilisa LOL, on how many different videos are you gonna ask this question?
acoti 1 year ago
so suddenly everybody is a swim expert?
oOGrabbenOo 1 year ago 52
another thing: Bowman has to accept that someday there will come some new boy that is going to tear apart Michael's times.
sirdelrio 1 year ago
I ask Bob Bowman: so, what will it take for you to accept that Michael looses a race? according to Bowman, if a swimmer improves his performance in less time that it took michael, it is impossible.
sirdelrio 1 year ago
what i really dislike about the whole controversy over the suit was Bob Bowman's reaction. It was unprofessional and childish. "Oh, since my pupil lost I will threaten FINA to ban suits or else Michael is not going to race". Just like good old Schumacher used to do in F1: "if I loose, disqualify whoever is kicked my ass, or else I will leave F1"
sirdelrio 1 year ago
Biederman ist echt ein Welklasse Schwimmer.
Germany #1
Feylamios 1 year ago
beidermann has thorpe stroke
theSetNailers 1 year ago
'Biederman had a terrible start, that's one advantage Phelps has right away. He had a great start...'
Ehm... Not to be offending you, but they all had a false start ;)
Rac1ng4Live 1 year ago
@Rac1ng4Live no, the sound was lagging... something was wrong...
TehJohnny866 1 year ago
@Rac1ng4Live no, the audio on this vid was lagging behind the image. find a better version and you will see they did not false start. and dont you think the comentators would have noticed if they all had a false start, not to mention the judges.
adamlewis934 1 year ago
@adamlewis934 Ever heard of sarcasm?
Rac1ng4Live 1 year ago
Damn, everybody false started. :06
slowore 1 year ago
@slowore no, the sound was just lagging on the video. it happens a lot with universal sports videos on youtube
bp23seahawk 11 months ago
biedermans strokes seem to be going forward, phelps look like they are too curvy
punaniswabber 1 year ago
what was phelps' time?
GirlHotties 1 year ago
OMG ,I love Paul Biedermann :x :X he is soooo good :)
waterdrinker25 1 year ago
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
CohlRonholm1234 1 year ago
lol they were in the air when the buzzer went off, DQ??
nleskiw 1 year ago
@nleskiw Just delayed video coordination with the sound.
GirlHotties 1 year ago
biedermann beat phelps in this, hands down. but i dont think biedermann shouldve gotten that 400 free record, thropes was just .01 slower and that was without the x glide or whatever biedermannw as wearing
soccerboi1996 1 year ago
Biedermann just has the better stroke, deserved this win. Wondering how they both'll do in a normal suit!
onnielief 1 year ago
Get real people phelps did not get beat by the suit he got bet by beidermann who had a better stroke and superior endurance
kschwab14 1 year ago
Ian Thorpe was the last person to beat Phelps at athens 2004 i dont Biedermann is anythink special the suits definetly had somethink to do with this record 1:42 is crazy for a freestyle record in 200m
DarthMuse 1 year ago
GERMAN POWER!!!
tronjer74 1 year ago
biedermann's stroke is awesome!!! smooth , almost perfect.... I think it has nothing to do with the suit.... anyway… doesn’t USA has the better technology in the world??? (gosh, was that English right?)
erlanfranck 1 year ago
lol,watch at the time screen after the start :D
btw: these are 2 very good swimmers, I think not the suite won the race, it was the faster stroking of biedermann,if phelps would have brought his arms to the front that fast,he would have won this race.
disneaded 1 year ago
@disneaded his arms the way they are dont allow him to move his arms fast. why do you think hes changing his stroke?
nagol1028 1 year ago
@disneaded the suit broke the record anyone who doesnt think that is nutz 1:42 already come on its freaking joke im so angry at those suits
DarthMuse 1 year ago
When Phelps had the fastest suit on the market, no one mentioned anything of him breaking records, now did they?
kylerory 1 year ago
@kylerory ... yeah yeah.... just now when he loses... I do agree
erlanfranck 1 year ago
@kylerory I agree
aaacacaas 1 year ago
see this is what good concentration can do...beat the best of the best. Beidermann went from 1:47 to 1:42, that's a great improvement.
AceofDlamonds 1 year ago
it's wierdd seeing phelps 2nd.
thewip3out 1 year ago
Paul now did a 3.46 for the 400m freestyle in Budapest..... GG
RtRdOh33 1 year ago
@RtRdOh33 ?!:D
3.46?!
1:45 and that was the fastest time in this year...faster than phelps
StirnlappeQ7 1 year ago
What I don't understand is how did Biedermann in 2008 finished in a time of 1:47.09 then 1 YEAR later goes 1:42.00. To me that is unheard of epically for a national competitor. Phelps could not possibly pull that one off.
warrenG54 1 year ago
@warrenG54 Just take an look to the suits. He just wore an 'old' suit at the Olympics, and in 2009 he wore the best suit possible. That's around 3 seconds allready. And improving 2 seconds in one year is possible. certainly at that age.
Rac1ng4Live 1 year ago
i love when michael phelps gets beat.
lv2srf95 1 year ago
no offense, but i think beidermann is kind of ugly
trevermark1 1 year ago
@trevermark1 euh... and phelps too :)
brabant1996 1 year ago
@trevermark1
Right, and Phelps is a hottie, or what? Haha...
Ice2watcher 1 year ago
is it just me or did they all start BEFORE the start beep?
asterix645 1 year ago
@asterix645 thie video is asynchorn, audio is delayed. take a look at this video, they didn't start false. look for the video "Schwimm WM 2009 Rom - Paul Biedermann vs. Michael Phelps - 200 m Freistil - Männer Finale - ARD"
Arschloch1945 1 year ago
@asterix645 rofl
TheHornyMorny 1 year ago
It's good to the sport! ^^
Now we will see beatifuls races.
Fernandiego 1 year ago
phelps started to "fade" (hahaha) the last 25, paul got stronger
nickyav06 1 year ago
swimmers that need suits are pathetic
ps: the all false started xD
bernapt95 1 year ago
Phelps needed to go out harder. In his butterfly races, especially the 100 fly, he can outdo everyone on the second half of the race. However, in freestyle races, the rest of the competition can hold their own endurance wise, IE why Phelps has never been good at the 400 free. Biedermann won the 400 free in world record time, which means that hes moving down for the 200 free. If he's ahead the after the first 100 and this is a shorter distance than what hes used to, then hes untouchable.
aaacacaas 1 year ago
i hope bidermann goes faster than phelps this summer without the suits. The all you phelps lovers can't blame the suits, but u guys will probably say they weren't head to head so thats why phelps didn't go as fast as he did.
nickyav06 1 year ago
yeah this is bullshit last year he was even close to 142 96 probably like 1:44 or 1:45
DH5354 1 year ago
Paul Biedermann is on the juice
butterflystyler83 1 year ago
Damn, im a huge fan of Michael Phelps but Biedermann's stroke was soo smooth and perfect!
XxKingJoJoxX 1 year ago 28
@XxKingJoJoxX @hotjulio123 You can only really compare stroke style and endurance when both athletes are wearing the same suits. Having done triathlons for years, I can tell you, my suit looks incredible the whole distance when I'm wearing a buoyant wet suit than not. My stroke will more quickly break down when I'm swiimming in jammers because of the lack of buoyancy and streamline.
Gynecologist 1 year ago
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@XxKingJoJoxX Also, he bettered his record by more than 4 seconds in one year. The same year those suits were sanctioned in competition. Coincidence?
Gynecologist 1 year ago
wonder what Steriods Paul was taking at the worlds, he wasnt that quick in China or Melbourne, Phelps was at his best, and for someone to take 6 months away from swimming and finishing in a highly respectabale time and win silver, i thought Phelps did well, Biedermann right place right time, who' knows who'll win next time
butterflystyler83 1 year ago 2
@butterflystyler83 just saying but i think Paul just studied Phelps free stoke and changed his stroke to be better than Phelps or rather to match it
hsclane4 1 year ago
can someone tell me where Tae wan Park is in this event, didnt he make the final, hardly any finalist here from beijing apart from Phelps and Biedermann
butterflystyler83 1 year ago
@butterflystyler83 and Basson down in lane 8
CoolGuy18235 1 year ago
Biedermann would have won if he was wearing a lzr. We'll see next FINAs who wins.
ps2monster 1 year ago
Deadlycolli, how can you say that, when even Biedermann himself reckons the suit is worth 0.7 per 50m. Everyone else did improve with the suit and clearly Biedermann is the second best in the event, but he shouldn't be beating Phelps. Biedermann's massive improvement was in part due to having never used the LZR, the loss of which will obviously make Phelps slower too; however, Phelps is the only person to go under 1.44 in a textile suit, and I see no evidence that Biedermann or anyone else could
felixtzu 1 year ago
if its purely the suit caused Biedermann to improve by 4 seconds then why hasnt every1 else improved by 4 seconds or over? Pretty much everyone else is wearing those suits as well and they haven't improved that much. Face it, although Phelps is the greatest swimmer ever, he's clearly met his match in the 200 free. Despite the fact that Phelps had a better dive and better turns, plus having that brilliant dolphin kick, Biedermann was STILL able to beat him. His freestyle stroke is clearly better.
Deadlycolli 1 year ago 2
@Deadlycolli
it's obvious that by just comparing freestyle stroke,Phelps is the not the best in the world(e.g. iAN tHORPE,Biedermann)...The only adv that he has is great underwater kick.
alvinhtleung 1 year ago
my goodness. even with the suit, biedemann's stroke is gorgeous. ignore the suit, and look at the strokes side by side. based on technique, and endurance (biedemann came down from the 400) biedemann still might win that race if they were both wearing poly suits.
hotjulio123 1 year ago 20
@hotjulio123 Just as an opinion Biderman kept his endurance in his last 50; most swimmers don't do that and you're right it doesn't matter about the suit :)
hsclane4 1 year ago
@hsclane4 ha. thanks for agreeing with me. as a side note. Daniela Izotov, and a couple other ruskies in the final? Young kid, dropped a bit of time leading up to his bronze medal. Can we say his time was due to a 'super suit'? or will he just pwn all.
hotjulio123 1 year ago
phelp's suit was Polyamide/Elasthane with a 50% polyurethane coating, the difference in the race wasn't the suits.
Temible 1 year ago
@hotjulio123 You can only really compare stroke style and endurance when both athletes are wearing the same suits. Having done triathlons for years, I can tell you, my suit looks incredible the whole distance when I'm wearing a buoyant wet suit than not. My stroke will more quickly break down when I'm swiimming in jammers because of the lack of buoyancy and streamline.
Gynecologist 1 year ago
@hotjulio123 Also, he bettered his record by more than 4 seconds in one year. The same year those suits were sanctioned in competition. Coincidence?
Gynecologist 1 year ago
@Gynecologist Sorry, who's still ranked inside the top 5 for both events a year later? Mr. Biedermann. who's stroke essentially looks the same? Mr. Biedermann. Who's ranked ahead of phelps in the 200 free? Mr. Biedermann. There's a giant difference between the illegal suits and actual wetsuits. Not really comparable.
hotjulio123 1 year ago
@hotjulio123 phelps gets more distance per stroke than biederman even without the suit. therefore, phelps stoke is better. i'm sure if they both wore the same suit and phelps was in better shape during these world champs, he could have beaten beiderman
adamlewis934 1 year ago
@adamlewis934 any swimmer would know that SR is much more important than dps in a 200. Particularly LCM.
hotjulio123 1 year ago
@hotjulio123
Don't forget that the suits also affected endurance as they held the swimmers core. You're right though, cracking technique form Biedemann.
27sam57 10 months ago
I'm sorry MVPacMan23, but Biedermann is the better freestyler. His technique is definitely better. I'm not saying Phelps isn't a great freestyler, he is. It's just a suit doesnt make that much of a difference and you do know that the lazer Phelps was wearing has patches of the same material that Biedermann was wearing. It would make a difference in the time, but only up to about .3 to .4 of a second at most. Plus, look at the way Paul swam the race, his latter half is far stronger than michael's
Deadlycolli 1 year ago
Maybe because he wasn't as tired because he was wearing a cheat-suit? You do not improve 4 seconds in a year, and that's what it is exactly. That's a suit.
MVPacMan23 1 year ago
hasnt lost since 2004 WTF??
Didnt crocker beat him in the 100 fly in 2005?????
CoolGuy18235 1 year ago
@CoolGuy18235 hes talking about 200 free
krnboii93 1 year ago
Paul is the greatest, what a fight.
Rumooo 1 year ago
If the suits played that much of a factor in Biedermann's victory, why was he the only one who beat Phelps?Why didn't Basson beat Phelps too(Basson was faster than Biedermann in Beijing)? I don't think you can drop 7s from just wearing a suit alone. I know they give an advantage but in Biedermann's case, there's more to it (TRAINING) than just the suit.
cldfsn 1 year ago
@cldfsn then explain to me why they were banned...? gg..
krnboii93 1 year ago
Sorry, let me clarify. I agree that the suits do give one an advantage, butt it takes more than a suit to improve by that much.The suits were banned because FINA decided to screw up and open Pandora's box in the first place.
cldfsn 1 year ago
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He did that because he can stay on top of the water more hanks to the suit. Phelps can't because he's NOT CHEATING Get that through your head. You simply cannot drop 7 seconds in a year no matter what you do.
MVPacMan23 1 year ago
In my opinion Biedermann is the better Freestyler. I know he was wearing a better suit than Phelps but that was a quite alot to take off the world record. His stroke is better too in my opinion, look how far he stretches with his arms, its crazy. Phelps is still the king though.
Deadlycolli 1 year ago
He did that because he can stay on top of the water more hanks to the suit. Phelps can't because he's NOT CHEATING Get that through your head. You simply cannot drop 7 seconds in a year no matter what you do.
MVPacMan23 1 year ago
@MVPacMan23 biedermann floated because he's not a pothead LOL
s1c4r1o 1 year ago
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phelps even said he beated by swimmer not tecnology !
what's the big deal if he loss?
even roger federer, michael schumacher, tiger wood, they sometime loss too ;)
Oh Oh I bet Biedermann race MP in
100,200 fly 200 free 200,400IM can he?
YOU WILL SE WHO'S A REAL GREATEST!
sadkiss99 1 year ago
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sadkiss99 1 year ago
Biedermann is bollocksed now his suit has gone.
Long Live Michael Phelps.
brysonhappyface 1 year ago 2
@brysonhappyface any person who knows anything about swimming knows that any suit cant create that much of a distance in time in a 200. I like Michael Phelps but we have to admit that he has found his nemesis, in the freestyle at least.
MARMOFLASH 1 year ago 2
@MARMOFLASH Any person that knows anything about swimming will know that Biedermann finished 5th in the Olympic Finals in a time of 1.46. Now I know he would have been training etc, but to gain 4 seconds, in one year? Thats a lot. I'm not saying he's not a good swimmer, I'm just saying that he was aided by the suit, just like everyone else that wore it.
brysonhappyface 1 year ago
Im pretty sure everyone else in that final except phelps had a supersuit on, yet he wrecked all of them too didn't he? Hes a beast. Im an American but Biedermann is just strait up better at the 200 free. Phelps has better turns but Biedermanns stroke is just so nice he cant be stopped.
aaacacaas 1 year ago 2
@MARMOFLASH the suit makes a big difference, roughly .5 seconds per 50 do the math
krnboii93 1 year ago
25,7 sorry -.-
MCSchwimmerJayo 1 year ago
24,70 on the last 50m !!!!
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DrNateManhattan 2 years ago
hmmm weird to see beiderman beats hes own record by 7 seconds and beat thorpe record and then beat phelps i think you gotta ask questions or get rid of those fucking suit its redicouls
DarthMuse 2 years ago 2
from 1st january 2010 all kind of suits are forbidden
Artegr4 1 year ago
@Artegr4 All kind of suits..? So, they have to swim naked... hahaha
juanpedro19840914 1 year ago
I wanted to see phelps reaction to his second place :S
Natalie9911 2 years ago
He didn't have a reaction.. he just frowned a little and got out of the pool.
luanswan2002 2 years ago
That's my german boy!
But I think that Phelps will improve. Just like Paul and we'll see a nice race at the 2012 olympics.
MaxxxY2J 2 years ago
With all the times in swimming, that
were way to fast, it was about time
Fina put it's foot down. It was getting
way out of hand. Biederman improved
to much to quick. The world will see
if Beiderman will still be as quick with-
out the X-Glide suit. Now swimming
will get back to where it should really
be back to the talent of the swimmer
not the suit.
wegersfour 2 years ago
I agree. But Beiderman's stroke is so long, powerful, and efficient (arm out of the water, then a straight reach forward, while Phelps looked to have a bit more of an arcing motion) - it's just perfect - that it's hard to image that he wouldn't have beaten Phelps here even if they wore same suits. It will be interesting to see what happens.
VeryEvilPettingZoo 2 years ago
which jammer is better?
arena powerskin r-evolution
or
speedo lzr racer?
0wnagefactory 2 years ago
LZR. Powerskin is older. But honestly, if you can find one just go for the FS-PRO, there isn't much difference between the two and the PROs are much cheaper.
macdicas 2 years ago
thanks a lot, i could order a fs pro which ends up bein 15€ cheaper than LZR.
but i heared rumour that arena is releasing a new suit late february/early march.
so imma wait a bit ;)
0wnagefactory 2 years ago
the thing i dont get is why FINA waited until this year to ban the suits..?
miluvjamaica 2 years ago
Yes you're right, it'll be really interesting!
gioswimmer 2 years ago
With no suit, this year will tell us who the REAL swimmers are! No fancy LZR or Arena etc. etc. I would love to see Phelps/ Biedermann and Phelps/Cavic race this year with the jammers on! Who would win I wonder?
samuelflower 2 years ago 2
Danila Izotov has a big future. I know that he's only 18 years old... He swims 100 free in sc meter pool in 45 and he swam 200 free in 1:40:08 in sc.. (without a full bodysuit) I think he's a big competitor of Phelps and Biedermann...
gioswimmer 2 years ago
you know what
an X-GLIDE suit is 60 hundreths of a second faster than the LZR-RACER 1.
Thats 2.40 seconds faster in a 200 freestyle race, so phelps should have won that race.
Biedermann swam in 1.46 or 47 in beijing
he just, can´t swim 4 or 5 seconds faster in less than a year.
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH
(ARGENTINA)
dinoo1995 2 years ago
LOL! Where did you get that data? Look guys, I'm a big Phelps fan too, but Biedermann just swam better than him this time.
And yes, he did swim much slower in Beijing BUT he was not wearing a cap and used a shi*** Nike legskin. His stroke also changed DRAMATICALLY.
But who knows, I could be wrong. We'll find out later this year I guess.
macdicas 2 years ago 2
@macdicas
yes, he improved his swim a lot
but the suit also helped him A LOT
phelps is just going to smashed him this year, LOL I WOULD LOVE TO SEE BIEDERMANN´S FACE
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH
(ARGENTINA)
dinoo1995 2 years ago
the suit has nothing to do with this race. Phelps was just plain and simple out swam.
mrpablo82 2 years ago
with or without it he would have won he is just better than phelps and if you watch menschen bilder emotionen 2009 he explains a lot there about his suit hehehe it´s kinda a cool that a german bet an american in swimming
dominatorpulse12 2 years ago
i think the audio is messed up because everybody dived before the beep
doom10251997 2 years ago 2
if everybody would be naked it would be kinda fair^^
no,let's be honest: if everybody had worn the same equipment, it would be fair,there you're right,but if you're not such a pro swimmer, and you have to swim against others who spend their money in those things, you feel worse, because it's not fair
disneaded 2 years ago
@disneaded look at the suits man... biedermann had a suit and phelps had a suit...
larsanien 2 years ago
@larsanien
suits can be different,if biederman wears a x-glide and phelps a normal speedo,who would wear the better one?
disneaded 2 years ago
@disneaded phelps wears a lzr racer.. so fuckit.. if he would be better he would have been the winner... well see this year...
larsanien 2 years ago
@larsanien
I don't say he's better, I just say what would be fair
disneaded 2 years ago
naked lol
thanks for the laugh
totally agree with u
Natalie9911 2 years ago
Biederman says himself his suit is better, that's not cheating. Phelps could wear the same suit, non one forces him to wear Speedo -- except that they pay him a lot of money. There was a time when his outfit was the best. Now it's outdated. I think that the best athletes should compete with the best equipment, only then it is fair - no tennis player has a wooden racket.
amokfilm 2 years ago
not cheating but he has an advantage
Puxeizhen 2 years ago
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he won because the x glide help him in this race....if Biedermann is not wearing x glide....phelps would had won this race...
1stblood1 2 years ago