Why did'nt u just let an unknown individual get in your formation then? it's war u stupid fuck! u'r not there to make friend's. I cant believe this shit! why did'nt you let them put their arms around u and let them carry u'r weapon too,to be decorated w/ a flower.
Get your head out of your dumb Republican ass and take a good long look around.
The bloated pile of weapons manufacturers and biased religious news conglomerates, the self-declared world police, the US, which history has proven is a shitty, shitty occupying force, are kinda the bad guys in this particular situation.
Your armed forces, all military might aside, seem to fail miserably, costing thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands, of casualties time after time again.
What sort of 'civillians' walk through a patrol of soldiers walking down a street? If he HAD been carrying an IED, everyone would be complaining that Coalition soldiers trainign was to poor and they were killed. Harden up people, this is a war. Being a keyboard warrior is all well and good, but there is a real war out there. Reality kicks in when the crack of a rifle is heard.......
@tomermoderchai WTF were the Coalition soldiers doing in Iraq and why anyway? They were not welcome and entered Iraq by force for no reason. Did you expect Iraqis to throw flower petals to them? Harden up, guy, if you invade another guy's home he's gonna be pissed and don't expect any love from him.
It's funny how you support an invasion and then whine because the invaded people don't act like Teletubbies.
Reality kicks in when the crack of a foreing invader rifle is heard.
This is so natural, yet he completly needs scripting. Coughing denotes nervousness. Not to mention he stutters and will not make eye contact with anyone, looking from side to side, which generally means hes lying. This is yet another PR load of crap. This man is a rat bastard, who has attempted to rat out his fellow soldiers for doing a job. He states his ROEs changed, trying to make LESS force, sound worse. From 2.32 onwards, he makes general crowd control sound like some sort of war crime.
Whats crazy I was in 1/7 amd these guys were my "boots" or were "boots" of my friends a couple wont name who were shit bags in 2003-2004 so im not sure on how truthfull their "testimonials" are I know who their commanders were and they wouldnt have allowed this so these kids should be brought up on war crimes if its what they really did they wouldnt have said go "F" them up over the net
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I'm blind to the world? That's rich. Oh and for the record I'm a MARINE, not a soldier. I know damn well theres a fine line thats get crossed every day. Your simple mind has failed yet again to grasp my statement. I'm not blind to what goes on around me, I know a liar when I see one though. I'll make this as blunt, simple, and with as few scrabble words as possible for you. I WAS THERE WITH HIM- IN THE FLESH, HE RODE IN MY DAMN TRUCK, WE WERE ONCE FRIENDS UNTIL HE DECIDED TO LIE!
Don't "thumbs down" and disappear this comment! I have to keep "thumbs up"-ing it so it won't disappear. Let lawman speak his mind, even if you DON'T agree!!!
You're right about being unashamed, but I'm no murderer. Who are you to judge me? You don't even know what I've done or am capable of doing. That is quite possibly the most ridiculous comment an individual could make. You're calling me- a stranger on the internet a murderer? You don't even know me. How 'bout I call you a child molester? A sick twisted degenerate that preys on playground youth... My accusation holds as much weight as yours :)
Part 1. "My accusation holds as much weight as yours :)"
Not so. Your accusation is baseless, mine is not. You are paid to kill people and the killing of another person whether or not it is done in self-defense is murder. The only difference is that murder can be justified when it is undoubtedly done in self-defense.
Part 2. Do not be confused about how the law defines murder - the death sentence is murder even thought the law-makers do not define it as such. So if you have ever killed anyone, you are a murderer. The only question that remains is whether or not that murder can be justified.
lawman i have a question for you please answer , it's something i ask every vet or soldier . i mean no disrepect at all . would you or your fellow marines turn on americans if the government ordered you to ? the worst thing about the war is the people that started it that wanted it , dont care about any of us . bush and cheney both dodged the draft , but cheney turns around and says we'll stay as long as it takes . itsa fucked up world we live in . glad you made it back lawman . namaste
I swore to defend my country from all enemys- foriegn and domestic. That doesn't mean I'd turn on the American public just because some suit told me to. Seriously. As for politicians- I don't think anyone who hasn't served deserves to be commander in chief. I hate political circus'. If I didn't think I wasn't promoting change for the better in what I did I wouldn't do it. I don't have to keep reenlisting, I do it because I belong where I am. I am a patriot and a professional warfighter.
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i don't think these guys are heroes. i respect the fact that they are coming clean, but it doesn't change the fact that when they were in the moment-- they knew that they were terrorizing innocent civilians, instead of fighting the real enemies.
They may or may not be right but if these boys were real men and honestly really saw anything,,, they would sign affidavits just to get dragged into court and testify. They flat out refuse to sign them.
The problem with these traitorous liars as well as the first winter soldiers is thus. If they sign affidavits and are proven wrong (which is a given) they are guilty of perjury.
Jason Washburn is a liar and is taking advantage of this little "pity party." He lacks character and doesn't stand up for anything- not even himself! IVAW pay him more than the warehouse job he had after leaving the Corps. This garbage makes me sick!
well that is a sad statement on how wharehouse workers get paid, not to mention veterans...
get a clue, pal!
i don't defend this fella, but the system is indefensibly fucked, and this guy has the cajones to stand up and give face to it. alot more courage than you display here.
I'm sorry? Courage? I'm preparing for my third tour in a war I DON'T SUPPORT. I do my job as best I can and am more concerned with bringing my boys home alive then making you warm and fuzzy you liberal fruitcake! Have you been there? been shot at? been blown up? Ever go six weeks without a shower or a decent meal? I'm not defending the system, I'm attacking the false testimony of a liar and a coward.
The courageous thing is not to go along and obey the masters and try to minimize damage. The courageous thing to do is to stand up in solidarity with the oppressed and say "No more of this war".
I disagree, it takes alot of courage to honor the oath we servicemembers take when we join- especially now. I hate the war and I hate what it's done to me, but I serve because I swore I would. I'm just pissed off at this loser because he admits to performing all sorts of atrocities that never occured! He makes the rest of us sound like thugs and murderers. I'm a professional warfighter not a brute. I don't lie, I don't steal, and I don't hurt innocent people! He's a disgrace.
I understand and admire your devotion to duty...but you didn't swear to be a thug for the government. The government have betrayed you, not the other way around. Serve your country and dissent in word and action!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thats what we fight for. You're correct, I didn't sign up to be a thug- and I'm not. I've provided protection, food, water, medical treatment, etc to the local populas. I have no problem speaking out against men who send our sons and daughters into harms way to line their pockets. It's disgusting. However I won't stand by and let Washburn discredit a great group of guys- many not alive to defend themselves, with his lies and attempts to gain pity.
Care to back that statement up with something or are you simply piggybacking someone else's opinion because you'r too dense to generate one for yourself? I've defended my comments with FACT. I personally know the guy, how 'bout you sport?
Well, sport, I CAN back my shit up... you may be a good lil soldier but blind to a world that is grey...not black and white....therefore...your STILL an idiot
I hate to say it, but IVAW jobs aren't exactly big bucks. Since our prime source of cash is donation, we don't exactly have money for frills. No one would work for IVAW just for a paycheck.
KPFT, Pacifica Radio here in houston will be airing five hours of audio from this meeting this coming week, airing one hour every day at noon, Monday througyh Friday. I hate to hear it, as I already am angry enough, but since this has been done in OUR names, we must listen, to better understand the depths of anger the rest of the world feels.
It fills me with hope to see that the poor men and women subjected to our government's military 'training', who end up serving, are fuckin HUMAN...right on to everyone at IVAW!
Why did'nt u just let an unknown individual get in your formation then? it's war u stupid fuck! u'r not there to make friend's. I cant believe this shit! why did'nt you let them put their arms around u and let them carry u'r weapon too,to be decorated w/ a flower.
totoynani143 6 months ago
i am a proud American, fuck this shit
TheMatthess 7 months ago
@tomermordechai
Get your head out of your dumb Republican ass and take a good long look around.
The bloated pile of weapons manufacturers and biased religious news conglomerates, the self-declared world police, the US, which history has proven is a shitty, shitty occupying force, are kinda the bad guys in this particular situation.
Your armed forces, all military might aside, seem to fail miserably, costing thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands, of casualties time after time again.
DeguGamingNetwork 8 months ago
What will be the end of the Evils and the Evil invadors ???
afghanistanculture09 1 year ago
Spread it.
MusclecarsMeditation 1 year ago
What sort of 'civillians' walk through a patrol of soldiers walking down a street? If he HAD been carrying an IED, everyone would be complaining that Coalition soldiers trainign was to poor and they were killed. Harden up people, this is a war. Being a keyboard warrior is all well and good, but there is a real war out there. Reality kicks in when the crack of a rifle is heard.......
tomermoderchai 1 year ago
@tomermoderchai WTF were the Coalition soldiers doing in Iraq and why anyway? They were not welcome and entered Iraq by force for no reason. Did you expect Iraqis to throw flower petals to them? Harden up, guy, if you invade another guy's home he's gonna be pissed and don't expect any love from him.
It's funny how you support an invasion and then whine because the invaded people don't act like Teletubbies.
Reality kicks in when the crack of a foreing invader rifle is heard.
NicotinMan 1 year ago
This is so natural, yet he completly needs scripting. Coughing denotes nervousness. Not to mention he stutters and will not make eye contact with anyone, looking from side to side, which generally means hes lying. This is yet another PR load of crap. This man is a rat bastard, who has attempted to rat out his fellow soldiers for doing a job. He states his ROEs changed, trying to make LESS force, sound worse. From 2.32 onwards, he makes general crowd control sound like some sort of war crime.
tomermoderchai 1 year ago
lawman,your in denial, iknow basicly your hands are covered in blood and you gotta try and live with yourself.aussie viet vet.
tigers67and69er 2 years ago
That's strange I was in the USMC in 2002 in wash.dc. when 911 happened and I don't have to read from a pice of paper to recall what I saw.
evansr727 2 years ago
well, considering 9/11 happened in 2001 maybe you should.
reneethespartan 2 years ago
Yeah that was a Fail!
InterstellarArchives 2 years ago
Whats crazy I was in 1/7 amd these guys were my "boots" or were "boots" of my friends a couple wont name who were shit bags in 2003-2004 so im not sure on how truthfull their "testimonials" are I know who their commanders were and they wouldnt have allowed this so these kids should be brought up on war crimes if its what they really did they wouldnt have said go "F" them up over the net
Andrew22usmc 2 years ago
go jason :) !
-a facebook friend, i think you know which one.
THEnoaliens 3 years ago
It takes much more courage to face and speak the truth than to kill another human. These men are the real heroes
sickuntodeath2 3 years ago 3
these guys are TRUE americans.
chad071981 3 years ago
IVAWMAN.. How the fuck do you know that what he is saying isn't true? Where you there?
lovedisappears 3 years ago 2
Mikietroop 3 years ago
I'm blind to the world? That's rich. Oh and for the record I'm a MARINE, not a soldier. I know damn well theres a fine line thats get crossed every day. Your simple mind has failed yet again to grasp my statement. I'm not blind to what goes on around me, I know a liar when I see one though. I'll make this as blunt, simple, and with as few scrabble words as possible for you. I WAS THERE WITH HIM- IN THE FLESH, HE RODE IN MY DAMN TRUCK, WE WERE ONCE FRIENDS UNTIL HE DECIDED TO LIE!
lawman4683 3 years ago
Don't "thumbs down" and disappear this comment! I have to keep "thumbs up"-ing it so it won't disappear. Let lawman speak his mind, even if you DON'T agree!!!
THAT is the basic principal of patriotism!
"THUMBS DOWN" SUX!!!!
xoxox
skinnychef
skinnychef 3 years ago
Marine, soldier, what's the difference? No matter what you call yourself it won't change the fact that you are an unashamed murderer
sickuntodeath2 3 years ago
You're right about being unashamed, but I'm no murderer. Who are you to judge me? You don't even know what I've done or am capable of doing. That is quite possibly the most ridiculous comment an individual could make. You're calling me- a stranger on the internet a murderer? You don't even know me. How 'bout I call you a child molester? A sick twisted degenerate that preys on playground youth... My accusation holds as much weight as yours :)
lawman4683 3 years ago 2
Part 1. "My accusation holds as much weight as yours :)"
Not so. Your accusation is baseless, mine is not. You are paid to kill people and the killing of another person whether or not it is done in self-defense is murder. The only difference is that murder can be justified when it is undoubtedly done in self-defense.
sickuntodeath2 3 years ago
Part 2. Do not be confused about how the law defines murder - the death sentence is murder even thought the law-makers do not define it as such. So if you have ever killed anyone, you are a murderer. The only question that remains is whether or not that murder can be justified.
sickuntodeath2 3 years ago
yea dignity and a clear conscience are worth a lot
poop121 2 years ago
lawman i have a question for you please answer , it's something i ask every vet or soldier . i mean no disrepect at all . would you or your fellow marines turn on americans if the government ordered you to ? the worst thing about the war is the people that started it that wanted it , dont care about any of us . bush and cheney both dodged the draft , but cheney turns around and says we'll stay as long as it takes . itsa fucked up world we live in . glad you made it back lawman . namaste
rehabib2 3 years ago 5
I swore to defend my country from all enemys- foriegn and domestic. That doesn't mean I'd turn on the American public just because some suit told me to. Seriously. As for politicians- I don't think anyone who hasn't served deserves to be commander in chief. I hate political circus'. If I didn't think I wasn't promoting change for the better in what I did I wouldn't do it. I don't have to keep reenlisting, I do it because I belong where I am. I am a patriot and a professional warfighter.
lawman4683 3 years ago 2
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i don't think these guys are heroes. i respect the fact that they are coming clean, but it doesn't change the fact that when they were in the moment-- they knew that they were terrorizing innocent civilians, instead of fighting the real enemies.
excellentsourceof 3 years ago
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They may or may not be right but if these boys were real men and honestly really saw anything,,, they would sign affidavits just to get dragged into court and testify. They flat out refuse to sign them.
The problem with these traitorous liars as well as the first winter soldiers is thus. If they sign affidavits and are proven wrong (which is a given) they are guilty of perjury.
Dhimmicrats 3 years ago
Jason Washburn is a liar and is taking advantage of this little "pity party." He lacks character and doesn't stand up for anything- not even himself! IVAW pay him more than the warehouse job he had after leaving the Corps. This garbage makes me sick!
lawman4683 3 years ago
well that is a sad statement on how wharehouse workers get paid, not to mention veterans...
get a clue, pal!
i don't defend this fella, but the system is indefensibly fucked, and this guy has the cajones to stand up and give face to it. alot more courage than you display here.
skinnychef 3 years ago
I'm sorry? Courage? I'm preparing for my third tour in a war I DON'T SUPPORT. I do my job as best I can and am more concerned with bringing my boys home alive then making you warm and fuzzy you liberal fruitcake! Have you been there? been shot at? been blown up? Ever go six weeks without a shower or a decent meal? I'm not defending the system, I'm attacking the false testimony of a liar and a coward.
lawman4683 3 years ago 3
The courageous thing is not to go along and obey the masters and try to minimize damage. The courageous thing to do is to stand up in solidarity with the oppressed and say "No more of this war".
RebelWithoutASauce 3 years ago
I disagree, it takes alot of courage to honor the oath we servicemembers take when we join- especially now. I hate the war and I hate what it's done to me, but I serve because I swore I would. I'm just pissed off at this loser because he admits to performing all sorts of atrocities that never occured! He makes the rest of us sound like thugs and murderers. I'm a professional warfighter not a brute. I don't lie, I don't steal, and I don't hurt innocent people! He's a disgrace.
lawman4683 3 years ago 2
I understand and admire your devotion to duty...but you didn't swear to be a thug for the government. The government have betrayed you, not the other way around. Serve your country and dissent in word and action!
RebelWithoutASauce 3 years ago
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thats what we fight for. You're correct, I didn't sign up to be a thug- and I'm not. I've provided protection, food, water, medical treatment, etc to the local populas. I have no problem speaking out against men who send our sons and daughters into harms way to line their pockets. It's disgusting. However I won't stand by and let Washburn discredit a great group of guys- many not alive to defend themselves, with his lies and attempts to gain pity.
lawman4683 3 years ago 2
your an idiot...
dtm6678 3 years ago
Care to back that statement up with something or are you simply piggybacking someone else's opinion because you'r too dense to generate one for yourself? I've defended my comments with FACT. I personally know the guy, how 'bout you sport?
lawman4683 3 years ago 2
Well, sport, I CAN back my shit up... you may be a good lil soldier but blind to a world that is grey...not black and white....therefore...your STILL an idiot
dtm6678 3 years ago
I hate to say it, but IVAW jobs aren't exactly big bucks. Since our prime source of cash is donation, we don't exactly have money for frills. No one would work for IVAW just for a paycheck.
IVAWSergeant 3 years ago
Sorry to hear IVAW jobs aren't exactly big bucks. Try ACORN next time.
RobGoth100 2 years ago
KPFT, Pacifica Radio here in houston will be airing five hours of audio from this meeting this coming week, airing one hour every day at noon, Monday througyh Friday. I hate to hear it, as I already am angry enough, but since this has been done in OUR names, we must listen, to better understand the depths of anger the rest of the world feels.
atmore58 3 years ago
It fills me with hope to see that the poor men and women subjected to our government's military 'training', who end up serving, are fuckin HUMAN...right on to everyone at IVAW!
tattoosue 3 years ago
i hate giving this stuff five stars. its like i give it fice stars cuz its bin put up. but it aint an awesome situation is it
cheeryvibez 3 years ago
no doubt! i just want to get the word out, cause it seems the organizers were pretty f'n insular about release and distribution of the testimony.
kinda counterproductive!
skinnychef 3 years ago