@radrashi139 Sure, theories can change, that's why they are not considered facts.
Also religion changes on a daily basis aswell based on scientific discoveries. So why would you listen do you listen the ever changing theories of which ever religion it is that you hold versus the changes theories of man?
@radrashi139 I could be discussing any religion. Science has consistently contradicted religion countless times. Ex. It has a been proven that heaven is not in the clouds and hell is not underground, absolutely shattering fundemental christian beliefs. So christianity adapts its story to say that heaven is off in some other dimensions, pretty convinient eh?
Atheism is not a claim, it's not a belief. It's a side taken by people who don't accept ones claim. When someone claims they know God exists, it's on you to provide the skeptic with a valid answer. However this claim can only be taken on faith.
People just love to hate and argue why even hate on someone who you believe doesn't even exist? This world is truely ignorant and when the Lord comes back they shall see the error of their ways.. Can't wait till Jesus comes! :D
What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain? If yes, then you broke God's law(you shall not lie, steal, etc.) written on your heart. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent God His Son Jesus to shed his blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death for sins, his burial & resurrection) you'll not perish & have eternal life!
God is the logical necessity. In an atheistic world, we have no assurance of uniformity of nature. We cannot account for the laws of logic, morality, or science. An atheist cannot explain why they believe in laws which are universal, unchanging, and immaterial, while the laws of logic are the very nature of God.
All an atheist can do is to ridicule by some statement such as, "this is your argument?", hoping that this will satisfy rather than engaging in a true debate.
@elagentenumerouno ; An explosion it's what they have being saying all along. Scientist, that ignore God say Science it's base on evidence, and that it's true on some things, and other violate this evidence standard they use for stuff like evolution. A singularity is perfectly orderly, Which Scientist it's talking about that, and can you explain how that work and end up with inteligent people?
Aaaaaah, it's so good to meet old friends. Ye olde dude, the good ole False Dichotomy: God guarantees order, therefore it's either god or chaos. Nothing could be further from the truth, incidentally. Virtually all human experience shows that there is order. There is a very (very) slim chance that this order isn't here anymore tomorrow, but that doesn't mean it's reasonable to assume that this will be the case.
What about people who are colour blind? They don't see the "yellow" that most other people see. This is a seriously weak and embarrassing argument. Apologies if someone has already addressed this, I haven't read through every comment.
@Venaloid No. With God, there is a reasonable basis for natural laws. Without God, there is no reasonable basis for natural laws. Natural laws exist, therefore an atheistic view is less reasonable than a theistic view.
@revulayshun - Simply having an explanation for everything doesn't make that worldview more reasonable than one that doesn't. If it did, then "magic" would be the starting point of all science. Come to think of it, we wouldn't even have science to begin with because we'd already have a reasonable answer: magic.
Read the bible, and they you may argue it. But until you read it, all of it your eveolution theory just dosen't make any logical sense, and God's word does.
@thewayofthemaster As if the call to solipsism proves the supernatural! One does not and cannot know that he sees colours in the same way as others, but that is irrelevant. Our senses and mind have a track record of correctly perceiving the world around us to a point of utility, so it's reasonable to trust it's accuracy. The man asserted that, as it's 'God's standard', we know we can all see the same thing, but he doesn't know that we do; just as he pointed out the colours analogy earlier.
Stating that the bible is inerrant, then denying that the error proposed was even in the bible.
Failure to acknowledge that morality exists in the animal kingdom, even though animal morals aren't identical to Jags018 morals.
Failure to acknowledge that logic minded people don't have as many kids, while simultaneously asserting that evolution would produce only logic minded organisms.
Asserting that a contradiction was made by his opposing party, while failing to establish which statements contradicted.
Asserting that a contradiction was made by in the statement "evolution doesn't imply that all DNA would be interchangeable between each species" when i never followed by saying the contrary: "evolution does imply DNA is interchangeable between each species"
Jags i have asked you several times to tell me which textbook you are getting these assertions about what evolution says from.
Until you give me a source its safe to assume you are a liar. I don't like talking to liars so if you aren't going to give me a source then you lose on the grounds of failing to establish credibility of assertions.
We don't have to know HOW something happened to know THAT it happened.
Common sense fail on jags's part yet again.
"Where did the murderer get his gun sir?"
"Jags018: We don't know where he got the gun so the murder must not have happened, furthermore, god killed the girl since we can't explain where the guy who really killed her got his gun"
And to finish once again - the fake version of evolution made up by jags018 doesn't have any effect on the validity of the real version of evolution understood by scientists.
once again making stuff up by theists who keep pretending that making a retarded claim and assuming it to be true against all evidence constitutes a debate.
The first thing a scientist learns when walking to ANY lab at ANY time is safety measures and common sense. You don't even touch any instrument until this is completely understood.
Additionally, it isn't faith that requires us to know about consistency in nature. It's data. Reliable, consistent data and rational thought that concludes "If X happened before, and there nothing affecting X, then X will stay the same." It really isn't that hard of a concept..
That preacher is a complete moron. People like him make me even more exited to be an Atheist. Wake up world!!!! Don't let idiots like that convince you into believing in the invisible man. What a joke
Lol it's been weeks and Jags018 still believes that logical fallacies constitute valid arguments and that closing his eyes makes the errors in the bible disappear.
@MoonKittenJD need to go back to school and learn something. Only a fool would try to argue that animals have morals...hahahahaha. I have brought what is called EVIDENCE, something you have never heard of to this discussion. I am able to also fit my world view into the reality around me which again you haven't. Face it , your fairytale is all that is, a fairytale because you are a fool...
@jags018 " I have brought what is called EVIDENCE"
LOL, merely saying they don't have morals is evidence that they don't have morals?
Newsflash, even if you can't understand that they sometimes inhibit actions because they are considered bad within their animal pack or herd or w/e, doesn't mean they don't do it. Elephants literally take care of the young of OTHER elephants. Thats not a moral action? give me a break...
Respond to this video... ". I am able to also fit my world view into the reality around me" >talking snakes nope > no gravity in space nope >gene changes don't add up nope > nothing cannot create something therefore nothing created something and that something is automatically the christian god because jags018 said so nope. >logical fallacies constitute good arguments/evidence still nope. >deny bad things in the bible go ahead but they are still there.
@MoonKittenJD All i have to say is that you believe aniamls have a moraltiy code...hahahahahahahaha peabrain... you are so stupid ,there is nothing that can be said for such an idiotic remark. This is a response for your personal attacks. You are a fool and the evidence is here... Go play with the monkey that you say is your uncle, do you need a banana I have an extra one hahahahahahaha
@MoonKittenJD Nothing here proves that God doesn't exist... The question is does God exist. I can debate you on the topic of Which God is true, as long as people understand that you have accepted the fact that God exists.
@MoonKittenJD And there is zero evidence the evolution fairytale exists, which is why it is dumb to believe that fairytale... Athiests are weak and emotionally out of control
@jerico641 yeah thanks for all the contaminants, and lets not forget the abortions, and let's not forget the murderers, the second-hand smoke... I think you get the point you utter fool. Here's a thought, If we would have obeyed God instead of rebel against God, these diseases wouldn't be here...
@jags018 "Give your reference or shut up, again where is your evidence? Are you sure you're over the age of twelve?"
Dude the bible is the reference. If you deny that these things are in it then you obviously don't know jack about the bible so why are you arguing with someone who does about it?
Oooooh, be careful! You christians are supposed to be humble and nice, right? What would jesus think of you calling somebody a name like that? He supposedly ate with lepers, washed a hooker's feet, met with tax collectors and healed a Roman Centurian's favorite slave. Watch yourself, now. And btw, WTF are you talking about anyway? I don't recall ever sending you any "contaminants"; and I hope you're not saying that a 2 year old cancer victim is guilty of a lack of faith?
@jerico641 You really are a fool,Do you heat your home, run a car, ever take a bus? What do you think comes out of your exhaust... Besides, faith has nothing to do with the fact people get cancer, the fact we are all sinners and we live in a sinful world is the fact people get cancer you utter fool. You really have no clue what you are talking about do you....
Well, you really are a sweetheart, aren't you? What a pleasure it is to converse with a real goodhearted christian like you...I guess you must go everywhere on a bike and start a fire in your living room to heat it up, huh? Or maybe, with that attitude of yours, you just live alone in a cave someplace in the woods. And btw, I specifically asked if you believed that a 2 year old cancer victim who died screaming in pain was guilty of a lack of faith and therefore deserved it? Answer?
@jerico641 ZI think you are going to get even more upset, because a person's faith, as I have said before, has nothing to do with why anyone gets cancer, the fact we live in a sinful world is why people get cancer. Every person ever born deserves a toturous death due to sin, but thanks be to Jesus who gave the ultimate sacrafice, that the 2 year old was not condemned to hell...
@jags018 " Every person ever born deserves a toturous death due to sin"
Thats sick dude. your a freak you need to get help.
"but thanks be to Jesus who gave the ultimate sacrafice"
Vicarious punishment doesn't waive people of responsibility of their actions. If i killed your mom, would you be fine if my brother was sent to jail for it instead of me? Didn't think so.
Let me get this straight; the 2 year old obviously had no comprehension of religion, no faith, but contracted cancer because of some legacy of sin which he or she had nothing to do with personally, is that correct? Now, this child "deserved" a horrible, torturous death, and did actually get that. Now you're saying that even though this child wasn't "saved", he or she went to "paradise" after death, right? Do you have any idea how absolutely ridiculous that sounds?
@jerico641 What's wrong buddy, are you afraid of someone who knows what they are talking about, with your logic, I can say that I don't understand nuclear physics, so therefore it doesn't exist. That isn't even an arguement...hahahahahaha Do you know how ridiculous that evolution fairytale sounds...The fact that good and evil exists puts your idiotic evolution arguement to rest...
I never wrote a word about evolution; I was asking you to verify an assumption. Are you always this obtuse? And by the way, "argument" only has one "e" in it.
@jerico641 "I never wrote a word about evolution; I was asking you to verify an assumption. Are you always this obtuse?"
Lmao i don't know if that guy is all there in the head man. So i wouldn't waste your time talking to him. He puts words in everybody's mouth and he speaks about logic even though his doesn't conform to Aristotle's notion of logic.
I know I shouldn't waste time on imbeciles like this guy, but I just can't help it, especially when the truth of the matter is so obvious! And you're absolutely right; as I understand it, he isn''t conforming to any notion of logic, and I wouldn't expect him to, I guess (sigh!)...
@jags018 "The fact that good and evil exists puts your idiotic evolution arguement to rest
What part of evolution states that animals won't do things that other animals don't like? Bring me 1 single line of any textbook that even implies this. Oh whats that? you can't again? too bad, i can't help that you are wrong.
@jags018 "with your logic, I can say that I don't understand nuclear physics, so therefore it doesn't exist. "
And i'd also like to point out that the dudes argument wasn't "babies don't understand sin therefore it doesn't exist". How the hell did you get that out of what the guy said? That's not even close dude... you need to take a critical thinking class before you come here and pretend you are a good debater.
@jags018 sin doesn't cause cancer. The cause of cancer is well known dummy. Radiation and other factors contribute to it. Thats why even religious leaders get cancer just as often as anyone else.
no atheist scientist are not fools for we are not judgemental like you christians are. why always hate on us when there is alot more religions that dont follow your faith but the christians always attack us atheist so back off we are growing in numbers and the world is realizing that religion is just complete and utter bullshit
@helio5777 A fool says in his heart there is no God, Athiest scientists are fools. You can't even answer the simple questions. Evolution is totally and obviously false. You ahve zero evidence of evolution. I will not back off but continue to speak the truth. When you stand before God you will have no exuse
@jags018 u need to back off fool making assumptions that your god is the right one you should atleast start a reasonable argument but how you christians are, are quite orthodox see can you say that unicorns are real or can you say that wizards are real the anwser iam giving you is that i can neither prove god nor dissprove him no wouldnt it be silly to beleive in unicorns yes its also the same way with a god iam a atheist and i choose reality over beleiving in a flying spaghetti monster
@helio5777 No you are a fool, you do not choose reality, you choose your human ego and a lie over reality. The simplest evidence of God's existance is the fact that good and evil exist. That we have the term sin in our vocabulary. Evolution has no evidence... So who is a fool, anyone who follows evolution.
@MoonKittenJD Your big bang doesn't work , how do you get something from nothing? Humans have changed, but we are still humans. Just show me where a duck has birthed a goat and you have your evidence...hahahahahaha
@jags018 "Your big bang doesn't work , how do you get something from nothing?"
What does before the big bang have to do with the big bang. We know the big bang happened because if you extrapolate an expansion backwards you get a singularity. It doesn't have to "work" with how you get something from nothing, because we know there is something, and thats all thats required for the big bang. If you have a theory about what caused the big bang shoot it. But be prepared to back it up with evidence.
@jags018 " Just show me where a duck has birthed a goat"
That is not evolution and whoever told you it was was hugely mistaken. Go get a biology book and show me the line that says evolution doesn't happen gradually. I want to see the exact quote that implies that over 1 generation drastic changes will happen.
@MoonKittenJD If the evolution fairytale is true, all genes from all animals would be interchangable throughout all species. So one should be able to have a duck birth a goat, because according to evolution the dna are all similar...
@MoonKittenJD No it doesn't because if they did their DNA would be interchangeable, they would be able to breed together, like horses and zebras, man you are the king of contradictions aren't you...
@jags018 "No it doesn't because if they did their DNA would be interchangeable"
How in the hell does anything about evolution imply that DNA would be interchangeable dude.... You're going to have to make sense before we can have a debate about this ok?
"they would be able to breed together, like horses and zebras"
that doesn't mean interchangeable DNA lmao... get a freakin education please...
Contradiction? you obviously don't understand contradiction. All i said was: There is no part of evolution that implies all DNA between ALL species will be interchangeable. I NEVER said the opposite. Please copy and paste in quotes the part where i said something like "All DNA should be interchangeable between all species" before you go pretending that i made a contradiction. Non-contradictions aren't contradictions retard.
@jags018 for example, if i start with a code number 123456789012345 and change 1 number every time i type it, after maybe 20-30 retypes itll be a completely different number that most likely has nothing in common with the first number. but it would be DESCENDED FROM the first number.
@MoonKittenJD So since every human DNA is different humans can't breed with other humans... your theory seems to be falling apart at the seems...hahahahahahahaha
@jags018 "So since every human DNA is different humans can't breed with other humans"
Please tell me where i said this. It is common knowledge that similar DNA can breed, and that the less similar 2 organisms DNA is, the less likely they can breed. No part of evolution states that only 100% identical organisms can replicate. Please point me to which textbook says this.
um...water boils at the temperature it does because of the non-polar shape and the hydrogen bonding. The forces involved make it such that at 100C there's enough internal kinetic energy (thermal energy) to change phase and escape the liquid. This ain't goint go change tomorrow, I assure you.
And before you calibrate your instruments, you have to make a standard. Calibrate your instruments with a faulty standard and you get wrong results.
"we all agree yellow is yellow?" Yellow is found within the light spectrum, it is a wave of a certain wavelength and frequency. By being able to perceive yellow, all thats happening is that the wave yellow is hitting against your pupils..."thats why we all see the same thing.", ah, that may not be true in a sense... yes, we may all "see" the same thing, but our brains are slightly different and we may interpret the data differently.
"how do you know that water is going to boil at 100 degrees tomorrow", well, at atmospheric pressure, that is the accepted statistical measure at which water boils. To be honest, we do not know what is going to happen tomorrow, but we assume as our logic dictates that because the laws of the universe has been consistent thus far and the lack of reason it should change that this would indeed be the case...
@MoonKittenJD When one is talking about the time before the Big Bang theory, one would be able to make the assumption that we were talking about the big bang joke I mean theory, which by the way you never explained the question I asked, because you can't. When nothing exists in space and something is thrusted through, it would just keep going because there would be no forces acting on that object... Big bang doesn't work...
@jags018 "When one is talking about the time before the Big Bang theory"
You said there was no gravity in space and that for the big bang to happen it needed gravity. After the big bang happened there would be plenty of it. Why would there even need to be any gravity before the first quantum fluctuation? It's not like there would have been any matter for it to act upon.
" you never explained the question I asked'
I wasn't aware i had to explain your own questions for you.
@MoonKittenJD Because you fool these laws of physics would have been in play even then. You still haven't explain how you get something from nothing which I do believe breaks the law of Physics... So I am still waiting for an answer
@jags018 "something from nothing which I do believe breaks the law of Physics."
Study quantum physics before you make such retraded statements. And are you going to go on to say that since we do not know how the big bang got there, the answer is automatically god?
@jags018 "Everthing you have argued you have contadicted yourself."
Ah i think i know where this is coming from. Do you think that arguing that Darwinian evolution happens but that jags018ian fake evolution doesn't is a contradiction? Because i agree, the made up version of evolution that you spout is definitely false. But thats how straw man fallacies work.
Respond to this video... " When nothing exists in space and something is thrusted through'
Is this sentence referring to something that is even physically possible?
And i wasn't aware that there was only 1 object during the big bang. As far as extrapolating our universe's expansion backward can take me, there were trillions and trillions of atoms and other elementary particles.
@MoonKittenJD Well let's start by your ignorant statement that there was gravity in space before anything existed. hahaha. Do I really need to go any further. The fact that people feel guilty destroys everything you athiest believe, and I haven't even broken a sweat yet. When trying to explain morality, you yourself was contradicting your own belief in evolution, and your statement that you thought a god could exist with evolution even though you say you are an athiest. You really have no clue..
If you are equating evolution with atheism you might want to get our from your rock and realize that there are christians who have no problem with evolution and accept it just fine. Even one pope accepted it.
@MoonKittenJD Only a fool would accept evolution, The Bible is crystal clear that sin brought death to the world, so anyone who claims to know Jesus and accepts evolution has no idea what they are talking about. And if they call the Bible a liar, they are not followers of Jesus...
@jags018 "Yes, any "science" that Denies God is foolishness."
It doesn't deny it you retard. It just hasn't discovered it. How can you apply science to things outside of our universe dummy.
"he fairytales "scientist" come up with are quite amusing."
You mean the fairy tales that feed you, allow you to talk to people online, bring you electricity, save you when you are in bad health, and may someday allow your species to survive overpopulation by colonizing other worlds?
Sin doesn't even exist dude. Its a fake idea made up in the BuyBull to control the masses. Don't believe me? Well then mail me some sin and i'll continue this conversation.
"so anyone who claims to know Jesus and accepts evolution'
Anyone who takes the bible literally has no clue what reality is. Talking snakes? LOL
@MoonKittenJD Ok you laugh at a possesed snake but you believe one of your distant relatives is a fish? hahahahaha. so if you say sin doesn't exist, then you say morality doesn't exist, but you argue thast animals have moralty? hahahahahaha, have you ever thought about going to vegas?
@jags018 "believe one of your distant relatives is a fish?"
There is evidence of this, there isn't evidence of talking snakes. I cannot deny the fossil record and the fact that mutations occur and accumulate. However, there isn't any way you can accumulate changes in a snake to make it talk.
"so if you say sin doesn't exist, then you say morality doesn't exist"
I wasn't aware that sin was what makes morality exist. I thought you just told me court makes morality though...
Respond to this video... "When trying to explain morality, you yourself was contradicting your own belief in evolution"
lets get another thing straight. YOUR FAKE VERSION OF EVOLUTION IS NOT CORRECT. Evolution doesn't say ANYTHING about morality not being able to come about in species. If an organism DOESN'T develop some form of morality they will all kill each other. Now... tell me how a dead organism will have sex please??? how will it have kids?
@MoonKittenJD hahahahahaha you still sound like a crazy person when you state animals have morals, that is desperation right there. Again you are flip flopping because your foolish statements just doesn't work. And just an fyi it would be ilogical to kill the best of a species based on the concept of evolution, again we see species like spiders and Lions who kill there own, so your lack of undersdtanding as to what morality is, i just debunked your insanity
@jags018 "you still sound like a crazy person when you state animals have morals"
Well i can't help that you cannot accept the fact that animals groom each other and pack animals obey the alpha male and don't ever attack him even though they probably don't like him, among other actions.
" Again you are flip flopping because your foolish statements just doesn't work."
Keeping the same argument doesn't constitute flip flopping, try again retard.
@MoonKittenJD You need to ask you high school teacher to go over pack animals, the alpha male is always being challenged other males wanting control of the pack...hahahahahaha, trying to find out how grooming each other has anything to do with morality... this is getting too easy...
@jags018 "You need to ask you high school teacher to go over pack animals, the alpha male is always being challenged other males wanting control of the pack."
COOL, now does that mean they NEVER obey him though?
Dude you are so freakin dumb its impossible to talk to you. you dont even realize how dumb you are. You say sin determines morality, then you say court determines morality, then you say that jags018 defines morality. Its so crazy talking to you man.
@MoonKittenJD This is very easy to explain, though I am not so sure it willjust go over your head. Morality is defined by God. Sin is acknowleged by both the Law and by me... Your lack of wisdom is truely astounding...
Which god? and why do acts that are considered immoral in todays society contradict scripture? And why do all cultures have vastly different forms of reality?
"Sin is acknowleged by both the Law"
There isn't a law against lying. There isn't a law against being gay. There isn't a law against me worshipping idols. Our judicial system doesn't do eye for an eye judging.
@jags018 "acknowleged by both the Law and by me... Your lack of wisdom is truely astounding..."
You acknowledge sin? ok where is this sin? i'd like to see some of it myself. Is it in apples? pretty sure we know which elements and molecules are in apples, and none of them rhyme with bin.
So being true to reality and not pretending fairy tales are real is "lack of wisdom"? well then i want to lack wisdom some more.
Respond to this video..."And just an fyi it would be ilogical to kill the best of a species based on the concept of evolution"
An animal is in no place to determine what is "best" of the species. If something is what you call "best" and then gets killed because of it, then it wasn't best, because its genes would have compelled others to kill it. You mistake natural selection for conscious selection. You don't have to be conscious of which organism is most adapted for it to reproduce.
@MoonKittenJD So you now admit you have contradicted yourself yet again, do you even know anything you are talking about... maybe you should go and get some help with your point of view...
You just pretended like your definition of what makes something moral is the correct one. Slavery in the U.S use to be considered morally correct. Now it isn't. So back then people would have considered a slave owner a moral person(white people that is, black people would see him as immoral). It's obviously relative to the situation.
@jags018 "No actually it was Christians that finally eratcated slavery"
Abraham lincoln wasn't a christian retard. And the bible was used as justification for slavery.
Ahem: "There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral." Rev. Alexander Campbell "The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example." Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina
@MoonKittenJD OK we can play this game, I am a doctor and thinkmoking is actually healthy... are you freaken kidding me, that's an athiest for you, just make up stories as you go along...hahahahaha, really dude you need some help in this debate, it's just too easy...
The difference is that you aren't really a doctor dummy. Those guys are really reverends.
"that's an athiest for you, just make up stories as you go along"
Nice jags, you just claimed that Alexander Campbell and R. Furman aren't reverends. Proof please.
"some help in this debate"
There is no debate dude. you have a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution, logic, and even whether REVERENDS ARE REVERENDS LOL. Tell me, if you fail so bad, why do u think u debate well?
Respond to this video... "When trying to explain morality, you yourself was contradicting your own belief in evolution"
So this is the funny part. It shows that your disbelief in evolution is based on a false version of evolution that you are spouting as fact. Go learn about straw man arguments and please learn why they AREN'T a valid argument or else you are just looking like an uneducated dork 6 year old that thinks he knows everything.
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DontDoTheMeth 1 week ago
@jb1262 yes, people may believe different things, but only one can be right.
michelaspage 5 months ago
what I don't understand about science and science believers is the fact that it is ever changing…
what if tomorrow scientists said gravity isn't really gravity and "proved" it,
who would go with the flow? (science believers)
therefore, science has been wrong at one point in time because its theories always change…
yeah, i'll just listen to the ever changing theories of man then…
just pointing out how unreliable science can be...
radrashi139 8 months ago
@radrashi139 Sure, theories can change, that's why they are not considered facts.
Also religion changes on a daily basis aswell based on scientific discoveries. So why would you listen do you listen the ever changing theories of which ever religion it is that you hold versus the changes theories of man?
nicolmedia 7 months ago
@nicolmedia what are you talking about. which religion are you talking about.
I am not going to change my beliefs based on science. if religion changed based on science then I dont think we would be having this discussion...
radrashi139 7 months ago
@radrashi139 I could be discussing any religion. Science has consistently contradicted religion countless times. Ex. It has a been proven that heaven is not in the clouds and hell is not underground, absolutely shattering fundemental christian beliefs. So christianity adapts its story to say that heaven is off in some other dimensions, pretty convinient eh?
nicolmedia 7 months ago
So this guys argument is...water always boils at the same temperature, therefore god? Hahaha really?
iambisone 8 months ago
Atheism is not a claim, it's not a belief. It's a side taken by people who don't accept ones claim. When someone claims they know God exists, it's on you to provide the skeptic with a valid answer. However this claim can only be taken on faith.
treasuredroperX 9 months ago
@MegaLoveRevolution I so hope Jesus cones back soon! I'm ready to go home! I love your username, btw. Love is what it's all about! :)
misstalentedusa 9 months ago
More power to ya! I love the way of the master!
People just love to hate and argue why even hate on someone who you believe doesn't even exist? This world is truely ignorant and when the Lord comes back they shall see the error of their ways.. Can't wait till Jesus comes! :D
MegaLoveRevolution 9 months ago
Atheists are very intelligent. they have spoken to dead people and found out that there is no heaven or hell :) thats how intelligent they are.
ueahunt 10 months ago
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@ueahunt and that is how ignorant you are :)
MegaLoveRevolution 9 months ago
What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain? If yes, then you broke God's law(you shall not lie, steal, etc.) written on your heart. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent God His Son Jesus to shed his blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death for sins, his burial & resurrection) you'll not perish & have eternal life!
gramosjr7 10 months ago
@gramosjr7 Do you honestly believe that?
afluffymango 10 months ago
@afluffymango I do
TarriCJx19 1 month ago
God is the logical necessity. In an atheistic world, we have no assurance of uniformity of nature. We cannot account for the laws of logic, morality, or science. An atheist cannot explain why they believe in laws which are universal, unchanging, and immaterial, while the laws of logic are the very nature of God.
All an atheist can do is to ridicule by some statement such as, "this is your argument?", hoping that this will satisfy rather than engaging in a true debate.
YHWHisSovereign 10 months ago
@elagentenumerouno ; An explosion it's what they have being saying all along. Scientist, that ignore God say Science it's base on evidence, and that it's true on some things, and other violate this evidence standard they use for stuff like evolution. A singularity is perfectly orderly, Which Scientist it's talking about that, and can you explain how that work and end up with inteligent people?
elagentenumerouno 10 months ago
Aaaaaah, it's so good to meet old friends. Ye olde dude, the good ole False Dichotomy: God guarantees order, therefore it's either god or chaos. Nothing could be further from the truth, incidentally. Virtually all human experience shows that there is order. There is a very (very) slim chance that this order isn't here anymore tomorrow, but that doesn't mean it's reasonable to assume that this will be the case.
betlamed 10 months ago
What about people who are colour blind? They don't see the "yellow" that most other people see. This is a seriously weak and embarrassing argument. Apologies if someone has already addressed this, I haven't read through every comment.
IbanezRules1 10 months ago
Ah, I get it: without God, you can't explain X, therefore God exists.
Seriously guys?
Venaloid 11 months ago 10
@Venaloid No. With God, there is a reasonable basis for natural laws. Without God, there is no reasonable basis for natural laws. Natural laws exist, therefore an atheistic view is less reasonable than a theistic view.
revulayshun 9 months ago
@revulayshun - Simply having an explanation for everything doesn't make that worldview more reasonable than one that doesn't. If it did, then "magic" would be the starting point of all science. Come to think of it, we wouldn't even have science to begin with because we'd already have a reasonable answer: magic.
Venaloid 9 months ago
@Venaloid Seriously what guys....
stratoleft 7 months ago
@Venaloid Classic God of the Gaps stuff.
GreaterSapien 6 months ago
Read the bible, and they you may argue it. But until you read it, all of it your eveolution theory just dosen't make any logical sense, and God's word does.
4smartypants 11 months ago
@4smartypants Go and kill a few doves to cure leporsy then.
RockJosiah 11 months ago
Wow, I wish this video hadn't been cut off so that we could see that guy totally destroy the religious dude's pathetic argument.
mushroomartist 11 months ago
@mushroomartist How about you do it?
thewayofthemaster 11 months ago 5
@thewayofthemaster Would you allow it as a video response if someone did do it?
RockJosiah 11 months ago
@RockJosiah Give it a shot.
thewayofthemaster 11 months ago
@thewayofthemaster Cool. Should be an interesting endevor. Thanks for the quick replay =3
RockJosiah 11 months ago
@thewayofthemaster As if the call to solipsism proves the supernatural! One does not and cannot know that he sees colours in the same way as others, but that is irrelevant. Our senses and mind have a track record of correctly perceiving the world around us to a point of utility, so it's reasonable to trust it's accuracy. The man asserted that, as it's 'God's standard', we know we can all see the same thing, but he doesn't know that we do; just as he pointed out the colours analogy earlier.
MeBeMat 11 months ago
@thewayofthemaster Out of curiosity, do you believe math and science applies to God or do you believe he is beyond that?
FadeTM 3 months ago
More Jags fails:
Stating that the bible is inerrant, then denying that the error proposed was even in the bible.
Failure to acknowledge that morality exists in the animal kingdom, even though animal morals aren't identical to Jags018 morals.
Failure to acknowledge that logic minded people don't have as many kids, while simultaneously asserting that evolution would produce only logic minded organisms.
Asserting there is no gravity in space.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
List of Jags fails:
Straw man fallacy
argument from ignorance
Asserting that a contradiction was made by his opposing party, while failing to establish which statements contradicted.
Asserting that a contradiction was made by in the statement "evolution doesn't imply that all DNA would be interchangeable between each species" when i never followed by saying the contrary: "evolution does imply DNA is interchangeable between each species"
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
Jags i have asked you several times to tell me which textbook you are getting these assertions about what evolution says from.
Until you give me a source its safe to assume you are a liar. I don't like talking to liars so if you aren't going to give me a source then you lose on the grounds of failing to establish credibility of assertions.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 "Who knows? and yet there is evidence."
We don't have to know HOW something happened to know THAT it happened.
Common sense fail on jags's part yet again.
"Where did the murderer get his gun sir?"
"Jags018: We don't know where he got the gun so the murder must not have happened, furthermore, god killed the girl since we can't explain where the guy who really killed her got his gun"
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
And to finish once again - the fake version of evolution made up by jags018 doesn't have any effect on the validity of the real version of evolution understood by scientists.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD Once again name calling by athiests who keep changing the rules because they get it handed to them in debates...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 lol what name did i call you?
once again making stuff up by theists who keep pretending that making a retarded claim and assuming it to be true against all evidence constitutes a debate.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD All I know is that everytime you debate an athiest NONE of the science texts are every right...hahahahahahaha
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 " NONE of the science texts are every right."
Such as? name 1 that isn't right lmao...
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
The first thing a scientist learns when walking to ANY lab at ANY time is safety measures and common sense. You don't even touch any instrument until this is completely understood.
Additionally, it isn't faith that requires us to know about consistency in nature. It's data. Reliable, consistent data and rational thought that concludes "If X happened before, and there nothing affecting X, then X will stay the same." It really isn't that hard of a concept..
TheBlackSwanFlies 11 months ago
That preacher is a complete moron. People like him make me even more exited to be an Atheist. Wake up world!!!! Don't let idiots like that convince you into believing in the invisible man. What a joke
RTKFilms 11 months ago
Lol it's been weeks and Jags018 still believes that logical fallacies constitute valid arguments and that closing his eyes makes the errors in the bible disappear.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD need to go back to school and learn something. Only a fool would try to argue that animals have morals...hahahahaha. I have brought what is called EVIDENCE, something you have never heard of to this discussion. I am able to also fit my world view into the reality around me which again you haven't. Face it , your fairytale is all that is, a fairytale because you are a fool...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 " I have brought what is called EVIDENCE"
LOL, merely saying they don't have morals is evidence that they don't have morals?
Newsflash, even if you can't understand that they sometimes inhibit actions because they are considered bad within their animal pack or herd or w/e, doesn't mean they don't do it. Elephants literally take care of the young of OTHER elephants. Thats not a moral action? give me a break...
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD All i have to say is that you believe aniamls have a moraltiy code...hahahahahahahaha peabrain... you are so stupid ,there is nothing that can be said for such an idiotic remark. This is a response for your personal attacks. You are a fool and the evidence is here... Go play with the monkey that you say is your uncle, do you need a banana I have an extra one hahahahahahaha
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "All i have to say is that you believe aniamls have a moraltiy code.
Yep, i believe it because i can just flip my tv to animal planet and watch elephants look after each other and protective each other from predators.
"Go play with the monkey that you say is your uncle"
Go play with the dirt you say is your uncle. And the dirt's rib bone you say is your aunt.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD Nothing here proves that God doesn't exist... The question is does God exist. I can debate you on the topic of Which God is true, as long as people understand that you have accepted the fact that God exists.
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "Nothing here proves that God doesn't exist"
Nothing proves either the existence OR the non existence. Thats why belief in a god is dumb.
"I can debate you on the topic of Which God is true, as long as people understand that you have accepted the fact that God exists."
If one were to accept a proposition then of what purpose would be debate about it?
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD And there is zero evidence the evolution fairytale exists, which is why it is dumb to believe that fairytale... Athiests are weak and emotionally out of control
jags018 11 months ago
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@jags018 "And there is zero evidence the evolution fairytale exists"
Cool im not talking about the evolution fairy tale. I'm talking about the evolution fact of nature and the theory explaining it.
Also atheism and evolution aren't synonyms dummy.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 " fact that God exists."
Also, prove it.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD I can sum up my evidence in one sentence, the fact that the term "sin" exists, and evolution fairytale is down for the count...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 So... since the term "magic points" exist in video games that must mean magic is real by your logic lmao.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
Yeah, sure, an orderly, sensible world, where 2 year olds die in severe pain from cancer...your god is imaginary.
jerico641 11 months ago
@jerico641 yeah thanks for all the contaminants, and lets not forget the abortions, and let's not forget the murderers, the second-hand smoke... I think you get the point you utter fool. Here's a thought, If we would have obeyed God instead of rebel against God, these diseases wouldn't be here...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "If we would have obeyed God instead of rebel against God'
Ya thats right, if we just rub rams blood and beat our slaves like the bible tells us to then nobody would get diseases right?
And we should definitely not eat shrimp/lobsters. No way.
Last but not least, we should sprinkle blood on anyone with leprosy like the bible commands. That should keep us healthy RIGHT?
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD Give your reference or shut up, again where is your evidence? Are you sure you're over the age of twelve?
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "Give your reference or shut up, again where is your evidence? Are you sure you're over the age of twelve?"
Dude the bible is the reference. If you deny that these things are in it then you obviously don't know jack about the bible so why are you arguing with someone who does about it?
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018
Oooooh, be careful! You christians are supposed to be humble and nice, right? What would jesus think of you calling somebody a name like that? He supposedly ate with lepers, washed a hooker's feet, met with tax collectors and healed a Roman Centurian's favorite slave. Watch yourself, now. And btw, WTF are you talking about anyway? I don't recall ever sending you any "contaminants"; and I hope you're not saying that a 2 year old cancer victim is guilty of a lack of faith?
jerico641 11 months ago
@jerico641 You really are a fool,Do you heat your home, run a car, ever take a bus? What do you think comes out of your exhaust... Besides, faith has nothing to do with the fact people get cancer, the fact we are all sinners and we live in a sinful world is the fact people get cancer you utter fool. You really have no clue what you are talking about do you....
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018
Well, you really are a sweetheart, aren't you? What a pleasure it is to converse with a real goodhearted christian like you...I guess you must go everywhere on a bike and start a fire in your living room to heat it up, huh? Or maybe, with that attitude of yours, you just live alone in a cave someplace in the woods. And btw, I specifically asked if you believed that a 2 year old cancer victim who died screaming in pain was guilty of a lack of faith and therefore deserved it? Answer?
jerico641 11 months ago
@jerico641 ZI think you are going to get even more upset, because a person's faith, as I have said before, has nothing to do with why anyone gets cancer, the fact we live in a sinful world is why people get cancer. Every person ever born deserves a toturous death due to sin, but thanks be to Jesus who gave the ultimate sacrafice, that the 2 year old was not condemned to hell...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 " Every person ever born deserves a toturous death due to sin"
Thats sick dude. your a freak you need to get help.
"but thanks be to Jesus who gave the ultimate sacrafice"
Vicarious punishment doesn't waive people of responsibility of their actions. If i killed your mom, would you be fine if my brother was sent to jail for it instead of me? Didn't think so.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018
Let me get this straight; the 2 year old obviously had no comprehension of religion, no faith, but contracted cancer because of some legacy of sin which he or she had nothing to do with personally, is that correct? Now, this child "deserved" a horrible, torturous death, and did actually get that. Now you're saying that even though this child wasn't "saved", he or she went to "paradise" after death, right? Do you have any idea how absolutely ridiculous that sounds?
jerico641 11 months ago
@jerico641 What's wrong buddy, are you afraid of someone who knows what they are talking about, with your logic, I can say that I don't understand nuclear physics, so therefore it doesn't exist. That isn't even an arguement...hahahahahaha Do you know how ridiculous that evolution fairytale sounds...The fact that good and evil exists puts your idiotic evolution arguement to rest...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018
I never wrote a word about evolution; I was asking you to verify an assumption. Are you always this obtuse? And by the way, "argument" only has one "e" in it.
jerico641 11 months ago
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@jerico641 "I never wrote a word about evolution; I was asking you to verify an assumption. Are you always this obtuse?"
Lmao i don't know if that guy is all there in the head man. So i wouldn't waste your time talking to him. He puts words in everybody's mouth and he speaks about logic even though his doesn't conform to Aristotle's notion of logic.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD
I know I shouldn't waste time on imbeciles like this guy, but I just can't help it, especially when the truth of the matter is so obvious! And you're absolutely right; as I understand it, he isn''t conforming to any notion of logic, and I wouldn't expect him to, I guess (sigh!)...
jerico641 11 months ago
@jags018 " I can say that I don't understand nuclear physics, so therefore it doesn't exist. "
This is exactly whats taking place with you and evolution.
Oh the irony.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 "The fact that good and evil exists puts your idiotic evolution arguement to rest
What part of evolution states that animals won't do things that other animals don't like? Bring me 1 single line of any textbook that even implies this. Oh whats that? you can't again? too bad, i can't help that you are wrong.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 "with your logic, I can say that I don't understand nuclear physics, so therefore it doesn't exist. "
And i'd also like to point out that the dudes argument wasn't "babies don't understand sin therefore it doesn't exist". How the hell did you get that out of what the guy said? That's not even close dude... you need to take a critical thinking class before you come here and pretend you are a good debater.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 sin doesn't cause cancer. The cause of cancer is well known dummy. Radiation and other factors contribute to it. Thats why even religious leaders get cancer just as often as anyone else.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
An perfectly cut out his answer... Well done
BaltoMovie 1 year ago
no atheist scientist are not fools for we are not judgemental like you christians are. why always hate on us when there is alot more religions that dont follow your faith but the christians always attack us atheist so back off we are growing in numbers and the world is realizing that religion is just complete and utter bullshit
helio5777 1 year ago
@helio5777 A fool says in his heart there is no God, Athiest scientists are fools. You can't even answer the simple questions. Evolution is totally and obviously false. You ahve zero evidence of evolution. I will not back off but continue to speak the truth. When you stand before God you will have no exuse
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 u need to back off fool making assumptions that your god is the right one you should atleast start a reasonable argument but how you christians are, are quite orthodox see can you say that unicorns are real or can you say that wizards are real the anwser iam giving you is that i can neither prove god nor dissprove him no wouldnt it be silly to beleive in unicorns yes its also the same way with a god iam a atheist and i choose reality over beleiving in a flying spaghetti monster
helio5777 1 year ago
@helio5777 No you are a fool, you do not choose reality, you choose your human ego and a lie over reality. The simplest evidence of God's existance is the fact that good and evil exist. That we have the term sin in our vocabulary. Evolution has no evidence... So who is a fool, anyone who follows evolution.
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 " The simplest evidence of God's existance is the fact that good and evil exist."
Which god. Zues? That seems more like evidence of the flying spaghetti monster's existence to me.
"sin in our vocabulary. "
Newsflash, this term existed long before christianity did.
"Evolution has no evidence."
>Implying lab experiments that show speciation aren't evidence
"So who is a fool, anyone who follows evolution."
We don't follow reality, we believe it. Reality isn't going anywhere.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD So you have admitted that God does exist. Please stay on point...Evolution is a fairytale, not reality...
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 "So you have admitted that God does exist."
Which god?
"Evolution is a fairytale, not reality"
Reality is a fairytale? funny story gravity man.
im going over this once, if you fail to acknowledge it then you are stupid and i can't help it.
1. Genes change from parent to offspring
2. There isn't a mechanism that keeps these changes from accumulating
3. we call the accumulation of changes over many generations evolution. Changes in genes accumulate, thats not a fairytale.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD Your big bang doesn't work , how do you get something from nothing? Humans have changed, but we are still humans. Just show me where a duck has birthed a goat and you have your evidence...hahahahahaha
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "Your big bang doesn't work , how do you get something from nothing?"
What does before the big bang have to do with the big bang. We know the big bang happened because if you extrapolate an expansion backwards you get a singularity. It doesn't have to "work" with how you get something from nothing, because we know there is something, and thats all thats required for the big bang. If you have a theory about what caused the big bang shoot it. But be prepared to back it up with evidence.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING FROM NOTHING. Where did all the stuff come from? How was the energy produced for the bb fairytale?
jags018 11 months ago
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@jags018 "YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING FROM NOTHING."
COOL LOL THEN ITS A GOOD THING THE BIG BANG DOESN'T MAKE PREDICTIONS ABOUT PRE-BIG BANG CONDITIONS LMAO.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
Respond to this video... " Where did all the stuff come from?"
Who knows?
"How was the energy produced for the bb fairytale?"
How can something that has empirical evidence be a fairytale dummy.
How was the energy produced for the yahweh fairy tale?
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 " Just show me where a duck has birthed a goat"
That is not evolution and whoever told you it was was hugely mistaken. Go get a biology book and show me the line that says evolution doesn't happen gradually. I want to see the exact quote that implies that over 1 generation drastic changes will happen.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD If the evolution fairytale is true, all genes from all animals would be interchangable throughout all species. So one should be able to have a duck birth a goat, because according to evolution the dna are all similar...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "all genes from all animals would be interchangable throughout all species."
I've never seen a part of evolution that says anything like this. What page of my biology book should i check for that assertion?
"So one should be able to have a duck birth a goat"
Why would small changes in dna ever result in large changes?
"evolution the dna are all similar."
not similar... stop making straw man posts. They are annoying. It says they ahem: SHARE A COMMON ANCESTOR.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD No it doesn't because if they did their DNA would be interchangeable, they would be able to breed together, like horses and zebras, man you are the king of contradictions aren't you...
jags018 11 months ago
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@jags018 "No it doesn't because if they did their DNA would be interchangeable"
How in the hell does anything about evolution imply that DNA would be interchangeable dude.... You're going to have to make sense before we can have a debate about this ok?
"they would be able to breed together, like horses and zebras"
that doesn't mean interchangeable DNA lmao... get a freakin education please...
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 "king of contradictions "
Contradiction? you obviously don't understand contradiction. All i said was: There is no part of evolution that implies all DNA between ALL species will be interchangeable. I NEVER said the opposite. Please copy and paste in quotes the part where i said something like "All DNA should be interchangeable between all species" before you go pretending that i made a contradiction. Non-contradictions aren't contradictions retard.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 for example, if i start with a code number 123456789012345 and change 1 number every time i type it, after maybe 20-30 retypes itll be a completely different number that most likely has nothing in common with the first number. but it would be DESCENDED FROM the first number.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD So since every human DNA is different humans can't breed with other humans... your theory seems to be falling apart at the seems...hahahahahahahaha
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "So since every human DNA is different humans can't breed with other humans"
Please tell me where i said this. It is common knowledge that similar DNA can breed, and that the less similar 2 organisms DNA is, the less likely they can breed. No part of evolution states that only 100% identical organisms can replicate. Please point me to which textbook says this.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
um...water boils at the temperature it does because of the non-polar shape and the hydrogen bonding. The forces involved make it such that at 100C there's enough internal kinetic energy (thermal energy) to change phase and escape the liquid. This ain't goint go change tomorrow, I assure you.
And before you calibrate your instruments, you have to make a standard. Calibrate your instruments with a faulty standard and you get wrong results.
Ripley747 1 year ago
"we all agree yellow is yellow?" Yellow is found within the light spectrum, it is a wave of a certain wavelength and frequency. By being able to perceive yellow, all thats happening is that the wave yellow is hitting against your pupils..."thats why we all see the same thing.", ah, that may not be true in a sense... yes, we may all "see" the same thing, but our brains are slightly different and we may interpret the data differently.
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
"how do you know that water is going to boil at 100 degrees tomorrow", well, at atmospheric pressure, that is the accepted statistical measure at which water boils. To be honest, we do not know what is going to happen tomorrow, but we assume as our logic dictates that because the laws of the universe has been consistent thus far and the lack of reason it should change that this would indeed be the case...
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
Jags018: "hahahaha prove there is gravity in space, not on a star or planet, but in space"
Jags018 #2: "So before the Big bang there was gravity in space?"
LOL notice how the first one doesn't mention "before" anything. It just says "in space". Now do you see why you are so clearly dumb?
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD When one is talking about the time before the Big Bang theory, one would be able to make the assumption that we were talking about the big bang joke I mean theory, which by the way you never explained the question I asked, because you can't. When nothing exists in space and something is thrusted through, it would just keep going because there would be no forces acting on that object... Big bang doesn't work...
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 what you would be referring to that is thrust through space?
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
@swisscheesepotatochi Please explain how objects move then.
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 what do you mean when nothing exists in space and something is thrust through? Do you mean a vacuum?
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
@jags018 "When one is talking about the time before the Big Bang theory"
You said there was no gravity in space and that for the big bang to happen it needed gravity. After the big bang happened there would be plenty of it. Why would there even need to be any gravity before the first quantum fluctuation? It's not like there would have been any matter for it to act upon.
" you never explained the question I asked'
I wasn't aware i had to explain your own questions for you.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD Because you fool these laws of physics would have been in play even then. You still haven't explain how you get something from nothing which I do believe breaks the law of Physics... So I am still waiting for an answer
jags018 1 year ago
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@jags018 "something from nothing which I do believe breaks the law of Physics."
Study quantum physics before you make such retraded statements. And are you going to go on to say that since we do not know how the big bang got there, the answer is automatically god?
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD You don't know the answers to alot of questions I have asked...hahahahahahahaha
jags018 1 year ago
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@jags018 "You don't know the answers to alot of questions I have asked.
Such as?
And whats wrong with not knowing? Humans didn't know what caused thunder/lightning long ago. your point?
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD So you admit you don't know what you are talking about...
jags018 1 year ago
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@jags018 "So you admit you don't know what you are talking about"
What this sounds like you are saying to me -
Jags018: Hello moon, i do not understand the difference between not knowing 1 answer, and not knowing every answer. Care to talk to me?
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
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@MoonKittenJD But here is the problem, you don't know the answer to ANY of my questions...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "But here is the problem, you don't know the answer to ANY of my questions..."
Heres the problem, i DO but you ignore them all the time or assume your ignorant stance is automatically correct a priori.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
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@jags018 "So you admit you don't know what you are talking about"
Also
>implying not knowing the answer means that jags018 is automatically right.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@MoonKittenJD Everthing you have argued you have contadicted yourself... you realy have no clue...hahahahahahahaha
jags018 11 months ago
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@jags018 "Everthing you have argued you have contadicted yourself."
Ya i bet. Is that why you are unwilling to quote contradictions?
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 "Everthing you have argued you have contadicted yourself."
Ah i think i know where this is coming from. Do you think that arguing that Darwinian evolution happens but that jags018ian fake evolution doesn't is a contradiction? Because i agree, the made up version of evolution that you spout is definitely false. But thats how straw man fallacies work.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
Respond to this video... " When nothing exists in space and something is thrusted through'
Is this sentence referring to something that is even physically possible?
And i wasn't aware that there was only 1 object during the big bang. As far as extrapolating our universe's expansion backward can take me, there were trillions and trillions of atoms and other elementary particles.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD Please answer how you get something from nothing
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 Explain how god gets something from nothing.
mmmmmarcus 10 months ago
Anyway jags, thanks for the comedy skit. It was pretty fun. Byebye now.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD Your lack of an arguement was pretty funny, Destroying athiest fairytales is fun...
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 your lack of an argument(and lack of spelling argument right) was pretty funny, destroying theist fairytales is fun.
By the way what fairytales did i tell you while i was here? list them all this oughta be fun.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD Well let's start by your ignorant statement that there was gravity in space before anything existed. hahaha. Do I really need to go any further. The fact that people feel guilty destroys everything you athiest believe, and I haven't even broken a sweat yet. When trying to explain morality, you yourself was contradicting your own belief in evolution, and your statement that you thought a god could exist with evolution even though you say you are an athiest. You really have no clue..
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 " Well let's start by your ignorant statement that there was gravity in space before anything existed"
See this is whats stupid about you. YOU said there wasn't gravity in space the first time. You didn't mention anything about "before anything existed"
"Do I really need to go any further
Actually i'd suggest backing up because you just made yourself look stupider.
" The fact that people feel guilty"
Heres you ignoring the fact that emotions are beneficial to reproduction.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
Respond to this video... "athiest believe"
If you are equating evolution with atheism you might want to get our from your rock and realize that there are christians who have no problem with evolution and accept it just fine. Even one pope accepted it.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD Only a fool would accept evolution, The Bible is crystal clear that sin brought death to the world, so anyone who claims to know Jesus and accepts evolution has no idea what they are talking about. And if they call the Bible a liar, they are not followers of Jesus...
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 well technically, a person can be a christian and not evaluate the veracity of the bible...
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
@jags018 Then i guess the majority of the scientific community would a large mass of foolishness.
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
@swisscheesepotatocI Yes, any "science" that Denies God is foolishness...
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 I was not referring to science itself, i was referring to the scientists themselves being an atheist majority...
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
@jags018 what would be the premise for that conclusion?
swisscheesepotatochi 1 year ago
@swisscheesepotatochi The fairytales "scientist" come up with are quite amusing... Any athiest scientist is a fool...
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 "Yes, any "science" that Denies God is foolishness."
It doesn't deny it you retard. It just hasn't discovered it. How can you apply science to things outside of our universe dummy.
"he fairytales "scientist" come up with are quite amusing."
You mean the fairy tales that feed you, allow you to talk to people online, bring you electricity, save you when you are in bad health, and may someday allow your species to survive overpopulation by colonizing other worlds?
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@jags018 "Only a fool would accept evolution"
only a fool would deny evolution.
"sin brought death to the world'
Sin doesn't even exist dude. Its a fake idea made up in the BuyBull to control the masses. Don't believe me? Well then mail me some sin and i'll continue this conversation.
"so anyone who claims to know Jesus and accepts evolution'
Anyone who takes the bible literally has no clue what reality is. Talking snakes? LOL
"And if they call the Bible a liar"
What if they call it a metaphor
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD Ok you laugh at a possesed snake but you believe one of your distant relatives is a fish? hahahahaha. so if you say sin doesn't exist, then you say morality doesn't exist, but you argue thast animals have moralty? hahahahahaha, have you ever thought about going to vegas?
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 "believe one of your distant relatives is a fish?"
There is evidence of this, there isn't evidence of talking snakes. I cannot deny the fossil record and the fact that mutations occur and accumulate. However, there isn't any way you can accumulate changes in a snake to make it talk.
"so if you say sin doesn't exist, then you say morality doesn't exist"
I wasn't aware that sin was what makes morality exist. I thought you just told me court makes morality though...
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD Unless you have gills, there is NO evidence of evolution...
jags018 1 year ago
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@jags018 "Unless you have gills, there is NO evidence of evolution.
Explain to me how having gills will help me survive to reproduce in an above water environment you hillbilly.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 Thats like saying unless evolution is false there is no evidence it is true. Thats so stupid XD
And its also like saying unless i have a gene worthless to my survival, there is no evidence that my genes aren't exact replicas of my moms.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
Respond to this video... "When trying to explain morality, you yourself was contradicting your own belief in evolution"
lets get another thing straight. YOUR FAKE VERSION OF EVOLUTION IS NOT CORRECT. Evolution doesn't say ANYTHING about morality not being able to come about in species. If an organism DOESN'T develop some form of morality they will all kill each other. Now... tell me how a dead organism will have sex please??? how will it have kids?
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD hahahahahaha you still sound like a crazy person when you state animals have morals, that is desperation right there. Again you are flip flopping because your foolish statements just doesn't work. And just an fyi it would be ilogical to kill the best of a species based on the concept of evolution, again we see species like spiders and Lions who kill there own, so your lack of undersdtanding as to what morality is, i just debunked your insanity
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 "you still sound like a crazy person when you state animals have morals"
Well i can't help that you cannot accept the fact that animals groom each other and pack animals obey the alpha male and don't ever attack him even though they probably don't like him, among other actions.
" Again you are flip flopping because your foolish statements just doesn't work."
Keeping the same argument doesn't constitute flip flopping, try again retard.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD You need to ask you high school teacher to go over pack animals, the alpha male is always being challenged other males wanting control of the pack...hahahahahaha, trying to find out how grooming each other has anything to do with morality... this is getting too easy...
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 "You need to ask you high school teacher to go over pack animals, the alpha male is always being challenged other males wanting control of the pack."
COOL, now does that mean they NEVER obey him though?
Dude you are so freakin dumb its impossible to talk to you. you dont even realize how dumb you are. You say sin determines morality, then you say court determines morality, then you say that jags018 defines morality. Its so crazy talking to you man.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD This is very easy to explain, though I am not so sure it willjust go over your head. Morality is defined by God. Sin is acknowleged by both the Law and by me... Your lack of wisdom is truely astounding...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "Morality is defined by God."
Which god? and why do acts that are considered immoral in todays society contradict scripture? And why do all cultures have vastly different forms of reality?
"Sin is acknowleged by both the Law"
There isn't a law against lying. There isn't a law against being gay. There isn't a law against me worshipping idols. Our judicial system doesn't do eye for an eye judging.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
@jags018 "acknowleged by both the Law and by me... Your lack of wisdom is truely astounding..."
You acknowledge sin? ok where is this sin? i'd like to see some of it myself. Is it in apples? pretty sure we know which elements and molecules are in apples, and none of them rhyme with bin.
So being true to reality and not pretending fairy tales are real is "lack of wisdom"? well then i want to lack wisdom some more.
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
Respond to this video... " trying to find out how grooming each other has anything to do with morality."
>jags018 tries to understand why helping out the community is considered a morally good action.
>that or jags018 doesn't think being nice to others is morally good.
"this is getting too easy..."
You're right, why are you making it so easy on me gravity man?
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
Respond to this video..."And just an fyi it would be ilogical to kill the best of a species based on the concept of evolution"
An animal is in no place to determine what is "best" of the species. If something is what you call "best" and then gets killed because of it, then it wasn't best, because its genes would have compelled others to kill it. You mistake natural selection for conscious selection. You don't have to be conscious of which organism is most adapted for it to reproduce.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
Respond to this video... "again we see species like spiders and Lions who kill there own"
Spiders kill their own to allow the spiderlings to eat and survive into adulthood. Nice fail.
Lions kill their own to assert dominance, which gets them more females. Nice fail there too.
"so your lack of undersdtanding as to what morality is"
The definition of "morality" isn't "what jags018 thinks is good for something to do. It is merely conforming to rules of conduct.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD So you now admit you have contradicted yourself yet again, do you even know anything you are talking about... maybe you should go and get some help with your point of view...
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 "So you now admit you have contradicted yourself yet again"
So you now admit that you are putting words in my mouth yet again. Man didn't anyone ever teach you about morals?
Anyway feel free to point out the contradiction for once. This is like the what? 3rd? 4th? time ive asked you. yet you never quote my contradiction.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@jags018 " i just debunked your insanity"
You just pretended like your definition of what makes something moral is the correct one. Slavery in the U.S use to be considered morally correct. Now it isn't. So back then people would have considered a slave owner a moral person(white people that is, black people would see him as immoral). It's obviously relative to the situation.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD No actually it was Christians that finally eratcated slavery, you need to study your history as well...hahahahahaha
jags018 1 year ago
@jags018 "No actually it was Christians that finally eratcated slavery"
Abraham lincoln wasn't a christian retard. And the bible was used as justification for slavery.
Ahem: "There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral." Rev. Alexander Campbell "The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example." Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD LOL 2 freakin REVERENDS disagree with jags018. Thats funny.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@MoonKittenJD OK we can play this game, I am a doctor and thinkmoking is actually healthy... are you freaken kidding me, that's an athiest for you, just make up stories as you go along...hahahahaha, really dude you need some help in this debate, it's just too easy...
jags018 11 months ago
@jags018 "I am a doctor"
The difference is that you aren't really a doctor dummy. Those guys are really reverends.
"that's an athiest for you, just make up stories as you go along"
Nice jags, you just claimed that Alexander Campbell and R. Furman aren't reverends. Proof please.
"some help in this debate"
There is no debate dude. you have a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution, logic, and even whether REVERENDS ARE REVERENDS LOL. Tell me, if you fail so bad, why do u think u debate well?
MoonKittenJD 11 months ago
Respond to this video... "When trying to explain morality, you yourself was contradicting your own belief in evolution"
So this is the funny part. It shows that your disbelief in evolution is based on a false version of evolution that you are spouting as fact. Go learn about straw man arguments and please learn why they AREN'T a valid argument or else you are just looking like an uneducated dork 6 year old that thinks he knows everything.
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago