@MrSwagger151 In my experience, WHAT you know means nothing. By the time you make it to any job interview, they don't seem to care what you learned in school or even what you went to school for. They're looking for how you answer silly behavioural questions like "what is your greatest accomplishment to date" and "what is your greatest weakness". Complete BS and usually has nothing to do with the job itself. The whole corporate HR process really needs to change...
@moecool And I think it's much worse than even that. What I personally think those questions are for, is to create a distractionary smokescreen to cover what they're mostly looking at, in your application: Your ethnicity.
I think the minute they get your resume and see the ethnicity of your name across the top, they've already decided whether they want "your kind" in a given position. And if there's any doubt about your ethnicity, they call you in for an interview.
Also, since a lot of black people and other ethnicities are trying to blend in better by having an Anglo-Germanic name, they'll see what appears to be an Anglo-Germanic name on the top of a resume, call that person in because of that (and after that, their trivial education and background).
But then, once a clearly black or non-Anglo-Germanic person walks in the door, that's where the process will secretly end, but to keep up appearances, they'll fake a serious interview.
College has become a corporate scam in the U.S. much like religion. It's not what your corporations can do you for you, it's what you can do for the corporations.
More precisely, it's what you can do for the CEO and the board, not what the CEO and the board can do for you.
The modern corporation is a creation of Nazi fascism, as most of the highest-ranking Nazis were never killed, and many were brought into the US by the fanatically pro-Nazi Rockefeller-Bush oil syndicate. From there, the Nazis have slowly reshaped our entire culture through all manner of insidious means, including assassinations and hushed-up killings.
I think it depends on the person, as most people are mentally codependent copycats.
Personally, I think more highly of someone who DOESN'T have a relationship because she can't stand the bulk of assholes in the world, and she has enough self-esteem not to settle and compromise herself.
I went to the University of Iowa three years ago and coming from a small rural community was not ready for the large social and rat race cultural leap that I was about to take. Needless to say after my freshman year I left and transfered to a local community college and got a better quality education with no student loan debt. As far as I'm concerned our educational system is not what it should be or what it could be. Everything about college is preparation for the competition business model.
@haneymc "The competition business model" is a euphemism. Because the real business model is neo-fascism. And soon enough the USA will be another Argentina 1976 era.
@TheLogicJunkie It's nice seeing this video because honestly when I bring up my past around people who have a very impressive education they just simply don't understand...I don't feel stupid or inferior in any way, but I really need to be taught in order to learn new material. Getting talked down to by anyone is the worst feeling in the world...
@TheLogicJunkie You should consider yourself fortunate for even making through the hell hole called Duke...the reality is that most people don't have what it takes to graduate from a 4 year university...take me for instance - all I have is a college diploma...I've tried the 4 year university route several times in my life and was met with embarrassing beyond belief humility...profs who simply don't care what they preach about and who never had an interest in helping me when I went for help...
@moecool No, it's not that way at all for me -- I am enormously MISfortunate for having gone to Duke. You simply have no idea. I'll explain it later, but it's true.
Oh my God, everything here is incredibly true. I washed out of a graduate program years ago, when I was 22. I had personal issues going on at the time. Even though I pulled my GPA up, the school refused to let me back in, and wouldn't even offer any career counseling services. They just closed the door, and I had nowhere else to turn. For anyone considering graduate school, its expensive and there are NO options if you fail out. And you will be stuck paying back the loan. It is very risky.
I personally know someone who is Vice President of a technical firm, and he never went to college - not even one semester. He earns around 200K per year. He has Microsoft certification and that's it. Oh, and he took a Spanish class because his job requires him to travel to Mexico occasionally. That's the extent of his higher education!
Individual companies can plan to recruit externally, especially when there is a lot of unemployed skilled labour, but once that pool dries up, you're going to be hard-pressed to find those people if nobody is training them. On top of that, the lack of unemployed skills means that everyone is going to have their previous hires snaked out from under them by other companies who are equally desperate to recruit.
Here in Canada, I'd say there is a severe "skill" shortage - you have a ton of companies that try to eliminate entry level positions and internal training and instead try to hire externally.
Honestly, the high-pressure, short-term, shareholder driven business model simply doesn't work in the long run. If you cut dollars to training to make your balance sheet look good for the quarter, your going to feel it a few years down the line when you would have seen the return on those dollars.
Spoiled in-crowder brats from well-established families will say they're a joke because they're pretty much guaranteed to have a job after college graduation from wherever they choose to go to college. So they won't be accumulating huge debt that they can't pay off.
...The rest of us, however, without established and well-connected families, don't get that easy payoff, so we have to be more careful about debt.
Unemployment numbers for the most part are fake and a lie. There is always going to be people too embarrassed to admit they are unemployed. Think about it - if you were unemployed for a long period, the last thing you'd do is brag about it.
A big scheme currently going on is listing college employment statistics - "96% found jobs at the end of the program", when in fact those jobs include minimal wage junk jobs and other crapola jobs of the sort.
And that's if they're not merely just making up those numbers, or classifying things like "no response" as "Well, since they didn't respond negatively, we can then serve our agenda by pretending to be 'unintentionally naive' and assuming that they didn't respond because everything is A-okay with their lives -- meaning that they've all found work".
You have to understand just what fucking weasels most pencil-pushers really are. And they're exceptionally good at attaining god-power.
I personally think the "oh you don't have experience so we're allowed to pay you crap" mentality a lot of companies have nowadays is very vague at best. Any kind of work experience at different companies is going to be substantially different - there will be different work rules and policies you have to follow. I don't know how the job market is in the USA but here in Canada there is many university grads working in the food industry as waiters and call centres. It's REALLY bad out there...
Here in America, if you have a bachelor's degree, you are now "overqualified" to even work retail, and THEY WON'T EVEN CALL YOU FOR AN INTERVIEW. So your outstanding student loans keep increasing due to the interest, AND they're even starting to JAIL PEOPLE for NONPAYMENT OF STUDENT LOAN DEBTS.
No matter how bad your life is in Canada, you need to be grateful EVERY SINGLE DAY that you aren't trapped in the nightmare hell-hole that is America.
Parents who allow there kids to go to university with a $200,000 debt are morons and dont deserve to be parents. It goes the same way for parents who allow their kids to be fat for feeding them crap. If i got child into $200,000 debt for going to uni i wouldnt be able to look myself in the mirror because i have ruined their life before its started. Luckily in the uk where i live the fees arent that high but have tripled from £3,200 to around £9,400 approxiamately. This system is a joke really.
...and they will try to make students feel stupid if they ask for help. Such behavior could accurately be labeled as a sort of "politics", and is almost as bad as Liberal Arts professors giving bad grades to students who disagree with them.
I think we both know that they wouldn't treat ALL students as stupid for asking questions -- there would definitely be certain "select" students who would be warmly received when asking questions, and for whom their ignorance would be treated as a simple matter of not having the proper conceptual foundation, somehow.
But everyone else? They would be treated as innately worthless and malignant by those very same "death camp" commandante-advisors. And take a wild guess why.
@TheLogicJunkie Indeed, college faculty and staff have preferences for certain "select" students. The wealthiest and waspiest types are given top priority, followed by jewish and asian students. If you're one of the "others", you can't take it for granted that someone will offer you meaningful advice on succeeding in college. You have to learn how to study on your own, and seek out the hand full of people who know the unwritten rules but might be humble enough to guide you.
@CyberCelebrity Yeah, I've never understood the pathologically stingy type of person -- I realize that I come from a line of people who are more like "venture capitalists of the soul". That is, we love the challenge of investing in people and seeing that our intervention has given them that pivotal whatever that finally lets them put rubber to the road and peel off.
I must have watched this video 100 times. Everytime I find myself thinking of going back to college, I watch this video and am reminded as to why I left. The whole part about good books is so true(but rarely discussed), particularly for students in engineering and the hard sciences. As I commented on another video, it is necessary for students in the so-called STEM fields to spend a lot of time searching for high quality, readable books; professors in those fields tend to assign shitty ones.
I'm glad it bolsters you. I tell everybody that college is absolutely NOT the place to go to learn things for the very first time. If you didn't already learn the fundamentals in some high-powered prep school or academy beforehand, then you must definitely NOT go to college to fill that gap, because the true function of college is NOT to educate -- it is to amputate the futures of those not already educated fundamentally.
What it really comes down to is connections, especially for those studying soft subjects. If you check out this salary survey from berkley's career centre, most of the grads from soft subjects didn't find jobs. The response rate is 3X% and many went to grad school. Since grad school is a euphemism for unemployment, this just further proves my point. The vast majority of people in those fields are not going to be finding worthwhile employment.
Even if you go to college and graduate, just remember: no one's on top right now, no one really has it good. The baby boomer generation isn't retiring, and basically every major is saturated beyond belief. How is one supposed to afford a decent lifestyle anymore?
much as I do appreciate what you're trying to do by reassuring us that we're not each of us alone in this, there clearly ARE people who are doing very teflon-ically well through all of this, because they've been pulling the strings all along.
You figured it out. Colleges don't care because they get the money they want from the Student Loans. The bank doesn't care because if you don't pay the government will pay the bank for your default. The government doesn't care because they will make your life hell and drain you dry of your income for the rest of your miserable life. It's a win, win, win...you loose thingy.
So the whole system is set up so that it's the victim who ends up holding the bag. And the only way out if he can't get a job or make money in any appreciable way to pay it off, is to throw a noose over a ceiling beam and carve a "BROOKS WAS HERE" note in the wood.
@TheLogicJunkie I would not suggest that to anyone. You could move to a foreign country that will not participate with lenders in collecting debts made in the USA.
@LogicJunkie Your right. The piece of paper doesn't mean anything either. Since so little of what you learn in school is applied to the work place, it's basically like you went through all those years for nothing. When I look at my group of friends, the only ones with stable jobs are in healthcare (nurse, pharmacist, doctor), in government, or somehow connected to the finance industry. Everyone else is cowering in fear whenever they go into work or chronically underemployed.
It's a lot easier to stay in school forever than "go fishing" in the real world job market.
Most places that pay decently want 2-5 years experience in the field. How the hell is one supposed to get that experience if they've taken 5-15 courses per year?
You're exactly right, Moe. And do you want to know what's even worse? They don't even care about any of that experience -- the truth is that, most of the time, job requirements are just a smokescreen so that they can pretend like they rejected people for noble reasons when, in fact, most of the time they're actually reserving jobs for friends of family, specifically within their own narrow ethnic group.
The job of "human resources" is to conduct eugenics and ethic cleansing.
But I will say this that is not fair. Women who pursue a second bachelor's degree may receive grants but if a man goes for a second degree may not receive grants.That is a high double standard which makes it harder for men. This society is messed up. College is highly overrated. So i may just get a second bachelor's and not pursue a master degree anymore. But when you tell people this , they dont wake up until its too late. I am not planing to graduate and work at a retail store.
That's right -- and that's why it's critical to their genocidal agenda to make sure that they screw up your undergraduate experience, because I believe they know full well that going back later on for a second one is going to be cost-prohibitive, considering that you can only get grant money for that FIRST bachelor's degree -- a second one has to be ALL loans.
This is how Sallie Mae conducts deliberate genocide.
I agree with you. I was going to graduate college in a few months but I found out that if you graduate with a bachelor's degree, you cannot receive grants again. So if you go for a second bachelors degree, you can only receive loans. So i am going to delay graduation and get a second degree in computer science. I know people who are rushing to graduate and by the time they realize it, they are screwed by the system.
@slidejones You're exactly right. Don't finish a bachelor's degree until it's something you can actually use. Always remember -- the true goal of the college industry is NOT to educate -- it is to conduct selective genocide. And in that cause, they deliberately want to lead as many people outside of the "chosen" cliques down completely the wrong pathways.
Their expectation is that, if they can sabotage your life well enough, you'll end up poor and suicidal later on.
This is so true. I'm in my 10th year in college, and the professors are more and more politically-oriented. Yes, they're smug. Also, college is getting easier and easier. I'm in an M.S. program forensic chemistry, and it is pathetically easy. Undergrad is disturbingly easy. Obviously it's all just a big money racket now.
On one hand, if you're being taught well and receiving high-quality explanations, things SHOULD get easy for you, but the only test is if you're really being challenged by realistic situations later on -- in other words, if your tests are realistic.
So the question is, are you being put to realistic tests, that are actually reflective of what you'd have in the field? If not, then all the so-called "education" is just a crap-shoot of quality.
@TheLogicJunkie That's a great point. The answer is no, because it's an entirely online program for a completely hands-on field (forensic science). And yet the professor who began it won this prestigious online education award. But almost anyone can get in, and whoever gets in certainly can finish if they want to. I don't see how everyone is going to pay off all these huge loans. It's truly an evil debt trap. One can easily become addicted to the system.
@TheLogicJunkie Why not just work a throw-a-way call centre job in the mean time to save up money and gain some kind of experience? These jobs are incredibly easy to obtain sadly because there are always warm bodies to fill them...btw I've started reading Profscam and a bit of The way the world works..seems very interesting so far
My gf has a 4 year biology degree and now has 110,000 dollar debt, She cant get a job any where for more then minimum wage and she cant afford her 1,170 dollar bill every month. This is destroying her emotionally.
i just completed my associates in electronics and i find out the job market is really tough in my industry. What did i jiust pay for the whole education system sucks
@TheLogicJunkie Another type of medicinal specialty you might want to consider is Osteopathic medicine (DO). They seem to have the same practising rights as Allopathic Medicine (MD). They also can match into the same kinds of specialties and are all given first preference. The debt is pretty scary though...
@TheLogicJunkie Yeah, well, the USA is a pretty messed up country to live in anyways.
I heard a story where someone who got into medical school in Ohio didn't submit all his post secondary records...(he took classes at some college and performed poorly). He made it to his final year, the school found out, and booted him out.
Here in Canada, background checks are rarely the case. I know many people who applied to other university programs without submitting previous records and they're fine.
@TheLogicJunkie How did you find classes offered at community colleges? I'm assuming from your video that you've taken classes offered through one before.
What myself and my peers have noticed is that a lot of the classes and teachers there don't really try to "weed" you out...the education is based on gaining skills. They are often way more accommodating to the class and tend to care about their students success.
@moecool Well, I think all that is changing. In Florida, for example, they've recently passed a law/rule/regulation/whatthefuckever that if you score a "C" or better in a course, you're not allowed to re-take it.
This has huge ramifications if you're trying to apply to a competitive program later on. As usual, the people who have appreciable prior experience with the subject -- the "ringers" -- will likely score A's on their first attempt, and everyone else gets washed out.
@TheLogicJunkie How did you like the book "Profscam" ? I've been trying to download an online version of the book on the internet, but it seems that it's coveted information that doesn't want to be exposed to the general public...
I don't know, quite honestly. All I can say is, always keep your debt as low as possible, and never trust ANYone or ANYthing that tells you it's okay to get into debt, no matter how infallible they tell you their system is. Because the people who constantly think like accountants are the ones who always have breathing room to spare.
@dutytocareforothers Yeah, but only in the short run. In the short run, the loans are just welfare to keep you alive, but under the false pretense that you'll be able to repay the loan once you get a college-caliber job AFTER college. But when that never comes, then the loans were never anything but a financial trap waiting to be sprung.
@Stann850 1. There are other ways to progress to a point where you can make a good living without a college degree. After high school, you could apply for an entry job requiring a degree in a field you're interested in and propose you'll do it for 1/3 of the money. You wouldn't be making a living, but you could live with your parents. After 4 years you would be in a better position than most college graduates but without the debt.
@Stann850 2. (continuation) I know for a fact that this strategy works. I have friends who did so and now have very good jobs. They are still a little bit ashamed they don't have degrees (because a college degree has a certain social status attached to it). In my eyes however, they were smarter than the ones who accumulated debt for learning skills, which are not in demand and ended up without a good job at the end.
You make a legitimate point and I applaud your speculations. I just have one question: If College is indeed a scam, can you propose any reasonable alternatives? (I'm American and I'm 19 years old).
I honestly don't know for sure. If you can, I would apply to college overseas and then study something like database accounting. Try Australia or New Zealand.
"The C++ Programming Language" book taught me in 6 months what my friend DIDN"T learn in 4 years at college, Now i have a job as software engineering and (sadly) my friend still looking for a job, tho i started working (low paying of course) as a freelancer 5 years ago while reading books and studying so pretty much i have 5 years of experience in the field while he got none and a huge debt to pay.
@TheLogicJunkie i never went to college, no degree whatsoever, basically i went straight into the work force (as freelancer) with no knowledge than what i had from my childhood (i've been programming since i was 11) and like i said yeah those jobs i got as freelancer were lower than the minimum wage but it gave me experience while learning complex things for example i learned C++ 4 years ago in 6 months now im into more complex stuff again while working at my job (not freelancer anymore) :-)
@kukovrein So you've been programming since you were 11? Are your parents very highly educated? Are either of your parents programmers or something like that? Because that's actually a huge head start.
@TheLogicJunkie i wouldn't say that, neither she push me (my mom, my father left us) into computers or something like i just did it by my own, i never thought i would do this for a living 12 years later ... it was my hobby but don't get me wrong, i don't consider that i had a huge head start, most of the knowledge i have right now i learn it the last 5 years of my life, tho i think i had a huge head start in loving what i do, passion, dedication goes back into my childhood.
I cant stress to people thinking about going university. This video is 100% correct even for universities over the pond in the uk. Your life is in the lecturers hands. Please anybody thinking about going uni dont. Your gonna ruin your life and end up on the verge of a break down.
Ohh i so wanna quit uni had another rough discussion with my mom bought quitting and yet some more arguements from my mom saying how much a degree will come in handy in tge future. Yh right bullshit. She cant see im heading for a fucking deadend. I tell her what kind of a hell whole it is and she wont listen. Really pisses me off.
@TheLogicJunkie Have you ever taken the course "Human Anatomy and Physiology" ? This is a full year course, taken in 2 terms. It's pretty intense no matter where you take it.
What specific books do you recommend for preparing for this course? Thanks!
I wouldn't be taking any biology courses until you've read Mahlon Hoagland's "The Way Life Works", and I would study "The Complete Human Body" by Alice Roberts.
I really enjoyed this video man. Some of my relatives are pressuring me to try to go back to school since I graduated high school, but I'm like I really don't wanna. Especially when you mentioned how much of a dirty game college is and how people get depressed turning to things like alcohol to cope and even killing themselves. I'm already depressed as it is and I don't wanna make it any worse.
@liberty2011able Why are none of my vlogs on your playlist??? I'm probably the biggest complainer of college on YouTube. Check them out!!!!!!! And stay away from college: in college they do shit like workplace mobbing and blacklisting after you've put your foot in the door and spent a ton of money. Check out my vlogs for more details. Good luck.
Why didn't i watch the video before i started college in 2008 @ the start of September. Everything you say i mean everything is true regarding the warm bodies, regarding the smug lecturers etc. It is bs knowing that our degree are worthless and the point about the books are spot on. I feel like dropping out and have mentioned this to my parents and they had a big go at me. Im wasting my life our at this he'll whole. Its a business and the game is really dirty.
You have a point there. Although I couldn't get the job I have now without a master's degree, my job has absolutely nothing to do with my degree. The skills I needed came on the job, which I learned in 2 months. The prestige of having that paper on your wall is cool, but at the end of the day if you can't find a job, neck deep in debt and end up working at McDonald's, it means absolutely nothing!
I know what you mean by books. I passed a 6 cr. CLEP exam by reading a book :)
Dude this video rocks, speak the truth! Welcome to capitalism, the system(including the education system) does not want you to become successful, more or less the entire system want mindless consumer's, blue collar worker's, enslaved by debt acquired by delusion that college is the only path to success. My girlfriend is a prime example(4 yr BS in computer sci) and 1.5 years later still unemployed/under-employed and in massive amounts of debt as are all of her college buddies. Good video!
@TheLogicJunkie In one of your video's you talk about updating pre-med requirements...have you ever considered PA (Physician Assistant) school? You probably meet the gpa requirements..
It's an awesome profession and you can literally make your own hours/be your own boss.
Extremely easy to find a job after, even in the US...
@moecool Thanks, moe, but here's the problem that you probably won't believe:
ALL the basic science classes are treated as if they have a "shelf life" of seven years. After that, they act as if you never took the classes at all.
This is the scam. This is how evil and extensive and total it is.
@dutytocareforothers Completely disagree about vocational schools being rip-offs.
There are tons of great programs that lead to excellent careers at these schools, such as a train operator for instance. In the US, they can easily make six figures. Sure, they may have to work long hours, but it's easy work.
Compare that with your typical basket weaving degree program from so and so college. With that coveted sociology degree you spent 4 years working on, you are now a certified Starbucks barista
@bxjam85 State colleges means statism. Statism is communism or fascism depending on what state you live in. The worst part about both college systems is collectivism. Your lifestyle and socio-economic background must fit perfectly with everyone else in the college cult or else you can say goodbye to your future.
@ExposeAustinTexas Actually, after Duke I enrolled at the University of Florida and, after suspecting that my problem was a lack of properly basic fundamentals, I started remediating myself in the necessary pre-med subject area classes. And once I did that, I did extremely well and had an easy time registering for classes and succeeding.
But nobody counseled me in that direction, ever. I had to completely counsel myself. Nobody else ever cared or spoke up on my behalf.
I think they both have their pitfalls, but I think that, in general, you should go to a private college if you have strong private connections from within your family and so on, and a state college if you don't.
By the way, when I say "private" schools, I mean the ones with the elite reputations, like the Ivy League schools and the seven sisters. I don't mean the expensive private diploma mills like ITT and Webster's and Phoenix and so on.
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Challenge quasi-accepted. I already have two books to read right now, but I'll amazon what you posted and see what I think of them, if amazon has previews of them.
2. Only on VERY rare occasions did I ever get anything even remotely like this. In fact, I honestly don't remember ever having ANYthing beyond depraved indifference from any of my professors -- ever.
3. Diverse? Superficially, yes -- philosophical diversity, however, was either punished or, usually, marginalized to the point of eradication. Intelligent? Only a narrow, corporate type of intelligence survived.
4. I have never failed to see "academic discipline" boil down to nothing more than a dangerous catch phrase which describes an insidious socio-psychological culture where a fanatic premium is placed on reptilian, goose-stepping conformity to whatever dictates come down from the academic faculty.
5. Absolutely not -- I never, ever experienced this. Again, the phrase "depraved indifference" is what applied to my experience -- and I doubt most other people would say differently.
6. You must've been a business major or something like that, because I have no recollection of ever being enculturated in any kind of Conde Nast way like that.
7. This is definitely debatable.
Finally, people may think that I'm college educated, but the truth is that I'm really not. What I really am, is college traumatized, college dehumanized, college neglected and exploited, and I only got educated AFTER and OUTSIDE of college, almost entirely by myself.
I grew as a person in college. My degree has helped me a lot in my life, not just employment. You must have gone to a shitty school.
A lot of what you said is true, but lets not act as if higher education has no value. Its actually a necessity. The college industry didn't make me crazy. What made college hard for me were the other students, not the institution.
@TheLogicJunkie No. My name is white sounding. I do remember long bouts of depression in college because of the social environment, but my education is top notch. There isn't a lot of room for politics in science classes.
Every college is different. Just because the administration on your campus sucked doesn't mean its like that everywhere. A school has to be a good fit for the student, and a good education can certainly be affordable. Big schools make you pay for their name.
Your name is white-sounding, and that's my whole point. Try going to a quality college with a classically black or Spanish name, and see what sort of experience you have. It's a very different world when your name isn't an ethno-racial beacon shining back to the supremely glorious Hanseatic realm of almighty Northern Europe.
In college, only the Hanseatic is truly taken seriously. Everyone and everything else is just, at best, zoology.
@TheLogicJunkie You make good points, and the same people who uphold the Hanseatic throne of Northern Europe have no idea that the first link in their European "chain" are based on people who are not "European" at all. The isle of Crete was inhabited by dark Minoans who if anything resemble Polynesians.
@TheLogicJunkie No im going to have to check that out, but your videos really make sense. Ive seen tons of people with the so called high status degrees and come from elite schools yet can't tell you what the word "Egypt" means....
@PhilxEulogyx Well, then, I'm guilty of that, too, because if the name "Egypt" has some meaning beyond just being an arbitrary name, I'm going to have to now go google it...
@rfrantzt i agree with u partially a lot of it depends on the school and atmosphere... the logic junkie was thrown to the wolves and sharks at an elite school.. that didnt respect him... he got in over his head... he didnt say that he got no value at all from the experience.. i think later on he became wiser.. what doesnt kill you makes you stronger later on..
This is pretty much correct. College itself didn't do very much for me that was positive in the long run -- it actually did more long-run damage.
Also, I could count on not even one full hand how many classes in college I really got anything from that I would say was uniquely worth the experience of going to college per se. I would say that one of the best professors I ever had was an archeology and art history professor named David Castriota.
@sylviabeth2 Yeah, rich snobs can make you feel like dirt, especially when they are the majority. I just believe that Americans especially need higher education right now because the populace is just so damn stupid... across every ethnicity and socioeconomic class American students cannot compete with the world in math or science. Our political system reflects American stupidity.
@dutytocareforothers A shill? Just because I don't agree with you 100%? See, my education has taught me not to think in terms of absolutes. There is a difference between public school and private school. You also have religious schools and even culturally based schools, like Historically Black Colleges for example. Then you have different majors. Perhaps I'm biased but most of the collegiate academic short-comings come from non-science disciplines.
@rfrantzt I don't know where you went to school, but you better start reading about how many unis have gotten caught cheating their students re: student loans. Seems that financial aide departments across the land were getting kickbacks/bribes from lenders so as to steer students to the worst type of loans. Some of those unis were Colombia, Johns Hopkins and U of Southern Cal. The whole system is rotten, and it doesn't matter your personal experience. This is the nature of college today.
@ripperduck What do you mean by the "system"? I'm sure the financial system which distributes loans is corrupt on some level, but to write off all colleges is asinine. You can get a great education at a community college.
We pay colleges to FILTER information for us. Most information out there is garbage, and an uneducated person has a hard time separating facts from nonsense. I got a lot from college, but I won't discount everyone else's experience.
@rfrantzt One trillion dollars in total student loan debt didn't come about by mistake, it came because of the systemic corruption that takes place between unis, banks and Wall Street. And none of the uni presidents nor the Faculty Senates nor any of their national bodies have attempted to correct or even speak to that corruption. Sorry you're being asinine if you ignore the fact that the uni functionaries haven't spoken out against these crimes because they're livelihoods depend on that system.
@ripperduck I'm still getting messages from my college career center reminding me that reputation is everything and to never express negativity especially online. They like to use pedantic guilt tripping methods to control the sheepel.
@dutytocareforothers Oh man, that is amazing! My unis ignore me, only because I've told them that they've taken me for all the money that they're going to get. If your school is so concerned about reputation maybe they should concentrate about getting their students better educated at a better price, rather than harass intelligent alumni who are voicing their well thought out opinions. Just sayin....
@rfrantzt Furthermore as I pointed out, the educational quality of unis has eroded while tuition has increased 11x in 15 years. The book "Academically Adrift" has the numbers showing that 1/2 of uni sophomores have learned nothing in the two years they had been in college. None of this has been addressed by uni functionaries again because their paychecks are connected to a rotting college system. You're not addressing that issue and without acknowledging it, then you miss the entire point.
@ripperduck That's what happen when you have a "free" market. You are given enough rope to hang yourself. I don't doubt financial corruption, nor do I doubt that many people go to schools they simply cannot afford. Community colleges are great alternatives. Living beyond our means is the staple of American culture.
Also, a lot of college students don't learn shit because they do drugs.
I don't necessarily blame the students for choosing schools they cannot afford or getting debt, because several generations now have been systematically indoctrinated with the idea that there was always money and clientele out there for any ridiculous field you went into.
I mean, just look at Hollywood -- how often has it predicted people with fluffy, ridiculous careers, yet somehow the issue of money never comes up, and they always have business and a great lifestyle?
I mean, the human brain is just like a computer in the sense of just how suggestible it really is -- particularly at a younger age. It's very much "garbage in, garbage out". If you constantly show prosperous, comfortable characters with effete, trifling careers, then what message does that send to the generations of viewers?
And also, what about the endlessly repeated mantra of "Do what you love, and the money will follow"? We fuck with kids' heads and then blame them for it.
@TheLogicJunkie Unis invest in "sports marketing," which means they use their athletic teams as a way to promote their unis. Somewhere it was shown that the more athletic success a uni has the greater is enrollment. Now I have to say this, if anyone makes a decision to go tens or hundreds of thousands of $ in debt to attend college in any part based on what they saw on ESPN, then they shouldn't be in college. I can't think of a more stupid reason to go to any college. Indoctrination for sure.
@ripperduck The masses are asses. And the reviews and rankings of each academic program are biased as hell. And football is everything at so many colleges. It's pathetic.
@rfrantzt CC's were FREE when I first got out of hs. In fact the CA public unis were created in such a way that students could work their way through school by taking on summer jobs. All that has changed, in order for banks/WS to make money on delusions. Since 1980's banks/WS lobbied to get taxes to public unis cut in order to fill the gap with loans. And the marketing was created to get ppl to live beyond their capacity. Walk on to any campus and you'll see how they've become resorts/spas.
@rfrantzt And if unis are this corrupt, then what makes you think that their departments are going to be pristine? On average tuition has risen 11x in 15 years. The education quality has fallen in that same period of time. Read "Academically Adrift" as evidence of the poor quality of college education. We're paying far more and getting far less. If that's what you call a necessity, then we need to reappraise that asset.
That, also, is debatable. Duke is definitely not shitty by virtue of its reputation to the outside world and amongst itself, of course.
However, Duke is beneath even the contempt due to shit for how it treats its "hateful duty", as Ayn Rand used to say -- the quota minority students that I've realized in lucid hindsight it is required to take on, for the sake of various federal regulations and funding.
It detests having to compromise itself with those students, and it shows.
YES,i thought this when i got out of high school in 1992. my friends went for things that went no where and still have the loans to pay back..
i never knew what i wanted to BE and thought 1 job all my life WHAT A WASTE!! now after many yrs and learning HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS im glad i never went and each day is still a struggle to make it to the next paycheck but i dont have a large loan to pay back.
google New Order of Barbarians transcript 1969 it will help with whats comming !
@TheLogicJunkie Did you fail any of your classes at Duke? It's sad how a lot of these "professors" conduct their classes...if you don't understand material for any reason, they either send you off to their incompetent TA's, or assign you some vague research material you can buy for $15-20 at the campus bookstore...
I don't know what type of university you went to, but I'm currently a college student. I'm not a minority and I don't have need base, so I don't qualify for those scholarships. I have all of my college paid for by merit scholarships. All of my professors are excellent and are willing to discuss subject matter outside of the classroom. . You must of gone to a university that wasn't very good when it came to actually education
@TheAnarchist73 Has the Faculty Senate made any statements re: student debt? Has your uni Pres ever talked about lowering the levels of student debt? Does your financial aide department have "preferred lender" lists? Lastly does your uni endowment invest in SLABS? If the answer is no, no, yes and yes, then your uni is part of the scam, regardless of your personal experiences...
@ripperduck the answers would be yes, yes, yes, and no. 1 out of 4 isn't so bad. If you're in debt then it's your own fault for choosing to take out a loan without considering you might not be able to pay it back
Truth: Your professors, your unis and administrators DONT care about you. What they care about is their pensions, their tenure and their grants.THATS IT! Not once have the Faculty Senate EVER said anything about student debt, neither have the Uni administrators. The financial system is corrupt and the unis are part of that system. Why the hell do you think if the banks and Wall Street are corrupt that the unis would be any different? They live off your loans and that's all u b good 4.
@MrSwagger151 In my experience, WHAT you know means nothing. By the time you make it to any job interview, they don't seem to care what you learned in school or even what you went to school for. They're looking for how you answer silly behavioural questions like "what is your greatest accomplishment to date" and "what is your greatest weakness". Complete BS and usually has nothing to do with the job itself. The whole corporate HR process really needs to change...
moecool 7 hours ago
@moecool And I think it's much worse than even that. What I personally think those questions are for, is to create a distractionary smokescreen to cover what they're mostly looking at, in your application: Your ethnicity.
I think the minute they get your resume and see the ethnicity of your name across the top, they've already decided whether they want "your kind" in a given position. And if there's any doubt about your ethnicity, they call you in for an interview.
TheLogicJunkie 47 minutes ago
Also, since a lot of black people and other ethnicities are trying to blend in better by having an Anglo-Germanic name, they'll see what appears to be an Anglo-Germanic name on the top of a resume, call that person in because of that (and after that, their trivial education and background).
But then, once a clearly black or non-Anglo-Germanic person walks in the door, that's where the process will secretly end, but to keep up appearances, they'll fake a serious interview.
TheLogicJunkie 43 minutes ago
youtube "COLLEGE IS FOR MORANS" by djhives/NEMESIS
djhivesdotcom 1 day ago
I would happily return my diploma if they gave me the $20,000 to pay back my loans.
The truth is that success in the job market is 70% WHO you know, and 30% WHAT you know.
MrSwagger151 3 days ago
College has become a corporate scam in the U.S. much like religion. It's not what your corporations can do you for you, it's what you can do for the corporations.
MrSwagger151 3 days ago
More precisely, it's what you can do for the CEO and the board, not what the CEO and the board can do for you.
The modern corporation is a creation of Nazi fascism, as most of the highest-ranking Nazis were never killed, and many were brought into the US by the fanatically pro-Nazi Rockefeller-Bush oil syndicate. From there, the Nazis have slowly reshaped our entire culture through all manner of insidious means, including assassinations and hushed-up killings.
TheLogicJunkie 50 minutes ago
Job hunting is akin to the dating scene.
The second you're in a relationship, girls will want you.
They can either smell the confidence on you or they figure if a good looking girl chose you, you must be a person worth having.
Who wants a guy that no girl wanted for a year?
moecool 1 week ago
I think it depends on the person, as most people are mentally codependent copycats.
Personally, I think more highly of someone who DOESN'T have a relationship because she can't stand the bulk of assholes in the world, and she has enough self-esteem not to settle and compromise herself.
But those people are so rare as to be singular.
TheLogicJunkie 3 days ago
I went to the University of Iowa three years ago and coming from a small rural community was not ready for the large social and rat race cultural leap that I was about to take. Needless to say after my freshman year I left and transfered to a local community college and got a better quality education with no student loan debt. As far as I'm concerned our educational system is not what it should be or what it could be. Everything about college is preparation for the competition business model.
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@haneymc "The competition business model" is a euphemism. Because the real business model is neo-fascism. And soon enough the USA will be another Argentina 1976 era.
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@TheLogicJunkie It's nice seeing this video because honestly when I bring up my past around people who have a very impressive education they just simply don't understand...I don't feel stupid or inferior in any way, but I really need to be taught in order to learn new material. Getting talked down to by anyone is the worst feeling in the world...
moecool 2 weeks ago
@TheLogicJunkie You should consider yourself fortunate for even making through the hell hole called Duke...the reality is that most people don't have what it takes to graduate from a 4 year university...take me for instance - all I have is a college diploma...I've tried the 4 year university route several times in my life and was met with embarrassing beyond belief humility...profs who simply don't care what they preach about and who never had an interest in helping me when I went for help...
moecool 2 weeks ago
@moecool No, it's not that way at all for me -- I am enormously MISfortunate for having gone to Duke. You simply have no idea. I'll explain it later, but it's true.
TheLogicJunkie 3 days ago
Oh my God, everything here is incredibly true. I washed out of a graduate program years ago, when I was 22. I had personal issues going on at the time. Even though I pulled my GPA up, the school refused to let me back in, and wouldn't even offer any career counseling services. They just closed the door, and I had nowhere else to turn. For anyone considering graduate school, its expensive and there are NO options if you fail out. And you will be stuck paying back the loan. It is very risky.
mochafudgetruffle 2 weeks ago
I personally know someone who is Vice President of a technical firm, and he never went to college - not even one semester. He earns around 200K per year. He has Microsoft certification and that's it. Oh, and he took a Spanish class because his job requires him to travel to Mexico occasionally. That's the extent of his higher education!
mochafudgetruffle 2 weeks ago
Individual companies can plan to recruit externally, especially when there is a lot of unemployed skilled labour, but once that pool dries up, you're going to be hard-pressed to find those people if nobody is training them. On top of that, the lack of unemployed skills means that everyone is going to have their previous hires snaked out from under them by other companies who are equally desperate to recruit.
moecool 3 weeks ago
Here in Canada, I'd say there is a severe "skill" shortage - you have a ton of companies that try to eliminate entry level positions and internal training and instead try to hire externally.
Honestly, the high-pressure, short-term, shareholder driven business model simply doesn't work in the long run. If you cut dollars to training to make your balance sheet look good for the quarter, your going to feel it a few years down the line when you would have seen the return on those dollars.
moecool 3 weeks ago
Everyone is feverishly emulating America's Brat Model of Economics, all to their doom.
TheLogicJunkie 2 weeks ago
@TheLogicJunkie are community colleges considered as a joke.
barbarian95man 3 days ago
@barbarian95man It depends on who you ask.
Spoiled in-crowder brats from well-established families will say they're a joke because they're pretty much guaranteed to have a job after college graduation from wherever they choose to go to college. So they won't be accumulating huge debt that they can't pay off.
...The rest of us, however, without established and well-connected families, don't get that easy payoff, so we have to be more careful about debt.
TheLogicJunkie 3 days ago
man, this video saved me from going for my Masters
Apexed818 3 weeks ago
In what?
TheLogicJunkie 3 weeks ago
@TheLogicJunkie education
Apexed818 2 weeks ago
Unemployment numbers for the most part are fake and a lie. There is always going to be people too embarrassed to admit they are unemployed. Think about it - if you were unemployed for a long period, the last thing you'd do is brag about it.
A big scheme currently going on is listing college employment statistics - "96% found jobs at the end of the program", when in fact those jobs include minimal wage junk jobs and other crapola jobs of the sort.
moecool 3 weeks ago
And that's if they're not merely just making up those numbers, or classifying things like "no response" as "Well, since they didn't respond negatively, we can then serve our agenda by pretending to be 'unintentionally naive' and assuming that they didn't respond because everything is A-okay with their lives -- meaning that they've all found work".
You have to understand just what fucking weasels most pencil-pushers really are. And they're exceptionally good at attaining god-power.
TheLogicJunkie 3 weeks ago
I personally think the "oh you don't have experience so we're allowed to pay you crap" mentality a lot of companies have nowadays is very vague at best. Any kind of work experience at different companies is going to be substantially different - there will be different work rules and policies you have to follow. I don't know how the job market is in the USA but here in Canada there is many university grads working in the food industry as waiters and call centres. It's REALLY bad out there...
moecool 3 weeks ago
I can top it. And here's how:
Here in America, if you have a bachelor's degree, you are now "overqualified" to even work retail, and THEY WON'T EVEN CALL YOU FOR AN INTERVIEW. So your outstanding student loans keep increasing due to the interest, AND they're even starting to JAIL PEOPLE for NONPAYMENT OF STUDENT LOAN DEBTS.
No matter how bad your life is in Canada, you need to be grateful EVERY SINGLE DAY that you aren't trapped in the nightmare hell-hole that is America.
TheLogicJunkie 3 weeks ago
This world is all about business, School is basic training on how to be a better slave and it makes squares
tharealest62qb 3 weeks ago
Very true. I'm glad there are people on YouTube and on Facebook who share the same sentiments as me regarding this.
agentofshield1 3 weeks ago
Parents who allow there kids to go to university with a $200,000 debt are morons and dont deserve to be parents. It goes the same way for parents who allow their kids to be fat for feeding them crap. If i got child into $200,000 debt for going to uni i wouldnt be able to look myself in the mirror because i have ruined their life before its started. Luckily in the uk where i live the fees arent that high but have tripled from £3,200 to around £9,400 approxiamately. This system is a joke really.
jabjabgrab123 3 weeks ago
Im back again im here to reiterate that college is a scam yet again.
jabjabgrab123 3 weeks ago
hey dude you speaking pure logic and you are correct,i say its like damn credit card.
jiggy588 1 month ago
IT IS, I KNOW FIRST HAND. FIND ALTERNATIVE EDUCATIONAL ROUTES THAN YA COLLEGE...
mikeisradasfuck 1 month ago
...and they will try to make students feel stupid if they ask for help. Such behavior could accurately be labeled as a sort of "politics", and is almost as bad as Liberal Arts professors giving bad grades to students who disagree with them.
CyberCelebrity 1 month ago
I think we both know that they wouldn't treat ALL students as stupid for asking questions -- there would definitely be certain "select" students who would be warmly received when asking questions, and for whom their ignorance would be treated as a simple matter of not having the proper conceptual foundation, somehow.
But everyone else? They would be treated as innately worthless and malignant by those very same "death camp" commandante-advisors. And take a wild guess why.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie Indeed, college faculty and staff have preferences for certain "select" students. The wealthiest and waspiest types are given top priority, followed by jewish and asian students. If you're one of the "others", you can't take it for granted that someone will offer you meaningful advice on succeeding in college. You have to learn how to study on your own, and seek out the hand full of people who know the unwritten rules but might be humble enough to guide you.
CyberCelebrity 1 month ago
@CyberCelebrity Yeah, I've never understood the pathologically stingy type of person -- I realize that I come from a line of people who are more like "venture capitalists of the soul". That is, we love the challenge of investing in people and seeing that our intervention has given them that pivotal whatever that finally lets them put rubber to the road and peel off.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie Yes I agree.
dutytocareforothers 1 month ago
I must have watched this video 100 times. Everytime I find myself thinking of going back to college, I watch this video and am reminded as to why I left. The whole part about good books is so true(but rarely discussed), particularly for students in engineering and the hard sciences. As I commented on another video, it is necessary for students in the so-called STEM fields to spend a lot of time searching for high quality, readable books; professors in those fields tend to assign shitty ones.
CyberCelebrity 1 month ago 3
I'm glad it bolsters you. I tell everybody that college is absolutely NOT the place to go to learn things for the very first time. If you didn't already learn the fundamentals in some high-powered prep school or academy beforehand, then you must definitely NOT go to college to fill that gap, because the true function of college is NOT to educate -- it is to amputate the futures of those not already educated fundamentally.
Teach yourself the fundamentals, THEN perhaps go.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
They use the Hegelian Dialectics in our Ed system
FOBmzunguREPTILICUS 1 month ago
I don't know in what sense you mean that...
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
Dude, listening to you is like hearing my own thoughts. If I didn't know better I'd swear we' were separated at birth! Lol!
rimwrangler 1 month ago
That's why I wrote my book and do these videos -- for me, and for people like me. The rest of the world can piss up a rope.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
That's why I tell people go to overseas for school or go to technical school.....a four year college has definitely lost its luster
Dozerman678 1 month ago
What it really comes down to is connections, especially for those studying soft subjects. If you check out this salary survey from berkley's career centre, most of the grads from soft subjects didn't find jobs. The response rate is 3X% and many went to grad school. Since grad school is a euphemism for unemployment, this just further proves my point. The vast majority of people in those fields are not going to be finding worthwhile employment.
moecool 1 month ago
Even if you go to college and graduate, just remember: no one's on top right now, no one really has it good. The baby boomer generation isn't retiring, and basically every major is saturated beyond belief. How is one supposed to afford a decent lifestyle anymore?
moecool 1 month ago
Moe,
much as I do appreciate what you're trying to do by reassuring us that we're not each of us alone in this, there clearly ARE people who are doing very teflon-ically well through all of this, because they've been pulling the strings all along.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
You figured it out. Colleges don't care because they get the money they want from the Student Loans. The bank doesn't care because if you don't pay the government will pay the bank for your default. The government doesn't care because they will make your life hell and drain you dry of your income for the rest of your miserable life. It's a win, win, win...you loose thingy.
romanmel1 1 month ago
So the whole system is set up so that it's the victim who ends up holding the bag. And the only way out if he can't get a job or make money in any appreciable way to pay it off, is to throw a noose over a ceiling beam and carve a "BROOKS WAS HERE" note in the wood.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie I would not suggest that to anyone. You could move to a foreign country that will not participate with lenders in collecting debts made in the USA.
romanmel1 1 month ago
@LogicJunkie Your right. The piece of paper doesn't mean anything either. Since so little of what you learn in school is applied to the work place, it's basically like you went through all those years for nothing. When I look at my group of friends, the only ones with stable jobs are in healthcare (nurse, pharmacist, doctor), in government, or somehow connected to the finance industry. Everyone else is cowering in fear whenever they go into work or chronically underemployed.
moecool 1 month ago
It's a lot easier to stay in school forever than "go fishing" in the real world job market.
Most places that pay decently want 2-5 years experience in the field. How the hell is one supposed to get that experience if they've taken 5-15 courses per year?
moecool 1 month ago
You're exactly right, Moe. And do you want to know what's even worse? They don't even care about any of that experience -- the truth is that, most of the time, job requirements are just a smokescreen so that they can pretend like they rejected people for noble reasons when, in fact, most of the time they're actually reserving jobs for friends of family, specifically within their own narrow ethnic group.
The job of "human resources" is to conduct eugenics and ethic cleansing.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
But I will say this that is not fair. Women who pursue a second bachelor's degree may receive grants but if a man goes for a second degree may not receive grants.That is a high double standard which makes it harder for men. This society is messed up. College is highly overrated. So i may just get a second bachelor's and not pursue a master degree anymore. But when you tell people this , they dont wake up until its too late. I am not planing to graduate and work at a retail store.
slidejones 1 month ago
That's right -- and that's why it's critical to their genocidal agenda to make sure that they screw up your undergraduate experience, because I believe they know full well that going back later on for a second one is going to be cost-prohibitive, considering that you can only get grant money for that FIRST bachelor's degree -- a second one has to be ALL loans.
This is how Sallie Mae conducts deliberate genocide.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
I agree with you. I was going to graduate college in a few months but I found out that if you graduate with a bachelor's degree, you cannot receive grants again. So if you go for a second bachelors degree, you can only receive loans. So i am going to delay graduation and get a second degree in computer science. I know people who are rushing to graduate and by the time they realize it, they are screwed by the system.
slidejones 1 month ago
@slidejones You're exactly right. Don't finish a bachelor's degree until it's something you can actually use. Always remember -- the true goal of the college industry is NOT to educate -- it is to conduct selective genocide. And in that cause, they deliberately want to lead as many people outside of the "chosen" cliques down completely the wrong pathways.
Their expectation is that, if they can sabotage your life well enough, you'll end up poor and suicidal later on.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
This is so true. I'm in my 10th year in college, and the professors are more and more politically-oriented. Yes, they're smug. Also, college is getting easier and easier. I'm in an M.S. program forensic chemistry, and it is pathetically easy. Undergrad is disturbingly easy. Obviously it's all just a big money racket now.
JesusPaid4You 1 month ago
On one hand, if you're being taught well and receiving high-quality explanations, things SHOULD get easy for you, but the only test is if you're really being challenged by realistic situations later on -- in other words, if your tests are realistic.
So the question is, are you being put to realistic tests, that are actually reflective of what you'd have in the field? If not, then all the so-called "education" is just a crap-shoot of quality.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie That's a great point. The answer is no, because it's an entirely online program for a completely hands-on field (forensic science). And yet the professor who began it won this prestigious online education award. But almost anyone can get in, and whoever gets in certainly can finish if they want to. I don't see how everyone is going to pay off all these huge loans. It's truly an evil debt trap. One can easily become addicted to the system.
JesusPaid4You 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie Why not just work a throw-a-way call centre job in the mean time to save up money and gain some kind of experience? These jobs are incredibly easy to obtain sadly because there are always warm bodies to fill them...btw I've started reading Profscam and a bit of The way the world works..seems very interesting so far
moecool 1 month ago
Our education needs to get fixed if we want good doctors, lawyers, police and, teachers.
Charlie12241 1 month ago
My gf has a 4 year biology degree and now has 110,000 dollar debt, She cant get a job any where for more then minimum wage and she cant afford her 1,170 dollar bill every month. This is destroying her emotionally.
18psiWhiteMS3 1 month ago
@18psiWhiteMS3 I sure don't doubt it...
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
I went to IADT, Devry, CLC, on and off for several years. Didn't learn a mother fucking thing. So in debt. It ruined my life.
civwarfan 1 month ago
i just completed my associates in electronics and i find out the job market is really tough in my industry. What did i jiust pay for the whole education system sucks
Teamster83 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie Another type of medicinal specialty you might want to consider is Osteopathic medicine (DO). They seem to have the same practising rights as Allopathic Medicine (MD). They also can match into the same kinds of specialties and are all given first preference. The debt is pretty scary though...
moecool 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie Yeah, well, the USA is a pretty messed up country to live in anyways.
I heard a story where someone who got into medical school in Ohio didn't submit all his post secondary records...(he took classes at some college and performed poorly). He made it to his final year, the school found out, and booted him out.
Here in Canada, background checks are rarely the case. I know many people who applied to other university programs without submitting previous records and they're fine.
moecool 1 month ago
@moecool Unfortunately, getting into another country is very hard, I hear. And getting a job in Canada when you're an American is pretty damn hard.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie How did you find classes offered at community colleges? I'm assuming from your video that you've taken classes offered through one before.
What myself and my peers have noticed is that a lot of the classes and teachers there don't really try to "weed" you out...the education is based on gaining skills. They are often way more accommodating to the class and tend to care about their students success.
moecool 1 month ago
@moecool Well, I think all that is changing. In Florida, for example, they've recently passed a law/rule/regulation/whatthefuckever that if you score a "C" or better in a course, you're not allowed to re-take it.
This has huge ramifications if you're trying to apply to a competitive program later on. As usual, the people who have appreciable prior experience with the subject -- the "ringers" -- will likely score A's on their first attempt, and everyone else gets washed out.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
When are you going to make new videos? I enjoy the videos, and your perspective on life is honest and to the point.
Morphious142777 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie How did you like the book "Profscam" ? I've been trying to download an online version of the book on the internet, but it seems that it's coveted information that doesn't want to be exposed to the general public...
moecool 2 months ago
@moecool I loved it. Were you the one who recommended it to me? Yes, it definitely needs to be more popularized, and I talk about it often...
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
If college is a scam... What should we do then? Work at minimum wage jobs?
Stann850 2 months ago
I don't know, quite honestly. All I can say is, always keep your debt as low as possible, and never trust ANYone or ANYthing that tells you it's okay to get into debt, no matter how infallible they tell you their system is. Because the people who constantly think like accountants are the ones who always have breathing room to spare.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie What is wrong with debt? Didn't loans help you with housing and so forth?
dutytocareforothers 2 months ago
@dutytocareforothers Yeah, but only in the short run. In the short run, the loans are just welfare to keep you alive, but under the false pretense that you'll be able to repay the loan once you get a college-caliber job AFTER college. But when that never comes, then the loans were never anything but a financial trap waiting to be sprung.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@Stann850 1. There are other ways to progress to a point where you can make a good living without a college degree. After high school, you could apply for an entry job requiring a degree in a field you're interested in and propose you'll do it for 1/3 of the money. You wouldn't be making a living, but you could live with your parents. After 4 years you would be in a better position than most college graduates but without the debt.
Alhoshka 2 months ago
@Stann850 2. (continuation) I know for a fact that this strategy works. I have friends who did so and now have very good jobs. They are still a little bit ashamed they don't have degrees (because a college degree has a certain social status attached to it). In my eyes however, they were smarter than the ones who accumulated debt for learning skills, which are not in demand and ended up without a good job at the end.
Alhoshka 2 months ago
You make a legitimate point and I applaud your speculations. I just have one question: If College is indeed a scam, can you propose any reasonable alternatives? (I'm American and I'm 19 years old).
Regards.
VanillaSnow23 2 months ago
I honestly don't know for sure. If you can, I would apply to college overseas and then study something like database accounting. Try Australia or New Zealand.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
"The C++ Programming Language" book taught me in 6 months what my friend DIDN"T learn in 4 years at college, Now i have a job as software engineering and (sadly) my friend still looking for a job, tho i started working (low paying of course) as a freelancer 5 years ago while reading books and studying so pretty much i have 5 years of experience in the field while he got none and a huge debt to pay.
College is a joke ...
kukovrein 2 months ago
Okay, but do you have a college degree on top of it? Or do you just have experience and skills?
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie i never went to college, no degree whatsoever, basically i went straight into the work force (as freelancer) with no knowledge than what i had from my childhood (i've been programming since i was 11) and like i said yeah those jobs i got as freelancer were lower than the minimum wage but it gave me experience while learning complex things for example i learned C++ 4 years ago in 6 months now im into more complex stuff again while working at my job (not freelancer anymore) :-)
kukovrein 2 months ago
@kukovrein So you've been programming since you were 11? Are your parents very highly educated? Are either of your parents programmers or something like that? Because that's actually a huge head start.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie i wouldn't say that, neither she push me (my mom, my father left us) into computers or something like i just did it by my own, i never thought i would do this for a living 12 years later ... it was my hobby but don't get me wrong, i don't consider that i had a huge head start, most of the knowledge i have right now i learn it the last 5 years of my life, tho i think i had a huge head start in loving what i do, passion, dedication goes back into my childhood.
kukovrein 2 months ago
LOL college is the reason behind the vt shootings?? bitch please
MsZooper 2 months ago
College is a life-or-death death camp, where the entire future course of your life is either set or crippled by an elaborate web of mind-fuck.
So "bitch please"? Bitch, please.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
I cant stress to people thinking about going university. This video is 100% correct even for universities over the pond in the uk. Your life is in the lecturers hands. Please anybody thinking about going uni dont. Your gonna ruin your life and end up on the verge of a break down.
jabjabgrab123 2 months ago 5
Thanks for speaking up...
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
Ohh i so wanna quit uni had another rough discussion with my mom bought quitting and yet some more arguements from my mom saying how much a degree will come in handy in tge future. Yh right bullshit. She cant see im heading for a fucking deadend. I tell her what kind of a hell whole it is and she wont listen. Really pisses me off.
jabjabgrab123 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Have you ever taken the course "Human Anatomy and Physiology" ? This is a full year course, taken in 2 terms. It's pretty intense no matter where you take it.
What specific books do you recommend for preparing for this course? Thanks!
moecool 2 months ago
I wouldn't be taking any biology courses until you've read Mahlon Hoagland's "The Way Life Works", and I would study "The Complete Human Body" by Alice Roberts.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
Colleges have become nothing but Indoctrination camps apart from the hard sciences and that's why you see people in America becoming dumb and dumber.
wamnicho 2 months ago
I really enjoyed this video man. Some of my relatives are pressuring me to try to go back to school since I graduated high school, but I'm like I really don't wanna. Especially when you mentioned how much of a dirty game college is and how people get depressed turning to things like alcohol to cope and even killing themselves. I'm already depressed as it is and I don't wanna make it any worse.
liberty2011able 2 months ago in playlist College is bullshit
@liberty2011able Why are none of my vlogs on your playlist??? I'm probably the biggest complainer of college on YouTube. Check them out!!!!!!! And stay away from college: in college they do shit like workplace mobbing and blacklisting after you've put your foot in the door and spent a ton of money. Check out my vlogs for more details. Good luck.
dutytocareforothers 2 months ago in playlist Must watch videos
Why didn't i watch the video before i started college in 2008 @ the start of September. Everything you say i mean everything is true regarding the warm bodies, regarding the smug lecturers etc. It is bs knowing that our degree are worthless and the point about the books are spot on. I feel like dropping out and have mentioned this to my parents and they had a big go at me. Im wasting my life our at this he'll whole. Its a business and the game is really dirty.
jabjabgrab123 2 months ago
You have a point there. Although I couldn't get the job I have now without a master's degree, my job has absolutely nothing to do with my degree. The skills I needed came on the job, which I learned in 2 months. The prestige of having that paper on your wall is cool, but at the end of the day if you can't find a job, neck deep in debt and end up working at McDonald's, it means absolutely nothing!
I know what you mean by books. I passed a 6 cr. CLEP exam by reading a book :)
YhwhKhaiMostHigh 2 months ago
Thanks for speaking up -- the more people like you that speak up, the better it is for all of us psychologically.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
Dude this video rocks, speak the truth! Welcome to capitalism, the system(including the education system) does not want you to become successful, more or less the entire system want mindless consumer's, blue collar worker's, enslaved by debt acquired by delusion that college is the only path to success. My girlfriend is a prime example(4 yr BS in computer sci) and 1.5 years later still unemployed/under-employed and in massive amounts of debt as are all of her college buddies. Good video!
Atheist18505 2 months ago
Glad you like it. We have to acquaint ourselves with each other, and our largely identical circumstances.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
I do believe that college is a scam but what kind of job can you get without a degree?
Agoraphobicslove 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie In one of your video's you talk about updating pre-med requirements...have you ever considered PA (Physician Assistant) school? You probably meet the gpa requirements..
It's an awesome profession and you can literally make your own hours/be your own boss.
Extremely easy to find a job after, even in the US...
moecool 2 months ago
@moecool Thanks, moe, but here's the problem that you probably won't believe:
ALL the basic science classes are treated as if they have a "shelf life" of seven years. After that, they act as if you never took the classes at all.
This is the scam. This is how evil and extensive and total it is.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@dutytocareforothers Completely disagree about vocational schools being rip-offs.
There are tons of great programs that lead to excellent careers at these schools, such as a train operator for instance. In the US, they can easily make six figures. Sure, they may have to work long hours, but it's easy work.
Compare that with your typical basket weaving degree program from so and so college. With that coveted sociology degree you spent 4 years working on, you are now a certified Starbucks barista
moecool 2 months ago
@bxjam85 Both are terrible. Check out my complaints against state colleges.
ExposeAustinTexas 2 months ago in playlist Videos That Expose Corruption
@bxjam85 State colleges means statism. Statism is communism or fascism depending on what state you live in. The worst part about both college systems is collectivism. Your lifestyle and socio-economic background must fit perfectly with everyone else in the college cult or else you can say goodbye to your future.
ExposeAustinTexas 2 months ago in playlist Videos That Expose Corruption
@ExposeAustinTexas Actually, after Duke I enrolled at the University of Florida and, after suspecting that my problem was a lack of properly basic fundamentals, I started remediating myself in the necessary pre-med subject area classes. And once I did that, I did extremely well and had an easy time registering for classes and succeeding.
But nobody counseled me in that direction, ever. I had to completely counsel myself. Nobody else ever cared or spoke up on my behalf.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Did you graduate from UF? If not ... what happened? It sounds like you were doing very well for a while.
ExposeAustinTexas 2 months ago
@bxjam85 Vocational school is a rip-off too.
dutytocareforothers 2 months ago in playlist Must watch videos
I think they both have their pitfalls, but I think that, in general, you should go to a private college if you have strong private connections from within your family and so on, and a state college if you don't.
By the way, when I say "private" schools, I mean the ones with the elite reputations, like the Ivy League schools and the seven sisters. I don't mean the expensive private diploma mills like ITT and Webster's and Phoenix and so on.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
I'd say, go to college if you discover that your chosen career field actually requires it, but don't if you don't have to.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
Of course I think NONE of you lazy asses will even pick up a single book from below, much less read it cover to cover, but they will change your life, they have mine:
1) Millionaire Fastlane by MJ Demarco no.1, if you don't read any others, read this.
2) Seduction Community Sucks - free pdf book
3) Pitch Anything by Oren Klaff
4) Cashvertising by Drew Eric Whitman
5) People are idiots and I can prove it by Larry Winget
6) A whole new mind by Dan Pink
7) The Ultimate Revolution by Aldous Huxley
grumpone 2 months ago
Challenge quasi-accepted. I already have two books to read right now, but I'll amazon what you posted and see what I think of them, if amazon has previews of them.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
excellent!
caberscaber 2 months ago
Lastly, and I'll leave it here, I want to explain what I got from college.
1. access to labs
2. personal relationships with highly educated professionals who challenged me
3. diverse, intelligent student body
4. academic discipline
5. staff who monitored my progress
6. tricks and behavioral nuances which promote success (professional dress/ attitude)
7. higher quality women
People can tell that I am college educated without me even saying it.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
Let me weigh my own experience against yours:
1. Yes -- I did get this.
2. Only on VERY rare occasions did I ever get anything even remotely like this. In fact, I honestly don't remember ever having ANYthing beyond depraved indifference from any of my professors -- ever.
3. Diverse? Superficially, yes -- philosophical diversity, however, was either punished or, usually, marginalized to the point of eradication. Intelligent? Only a narrow, corporate type of intelligence survived.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
4. I have never failed to see "academic discipline" boil down to nothing more than a dangerous catch phrase which describes an insidious socio-psychological culture where a fanatic premium is placed on reptilian, goose-stepping conformity to whatever dictates come down from the academic faculty.
5. Absolutely not -- I never, ever experienced this. Again, the phrase "depraved indifference" is what applied to my experience -- and I doubt most other people would say differently.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
6. You must've been a business major or something like that, because I have no recollection of ever being enculturated in any kind of Conde Nast way like that.
7. This is definitely debatable.
Finally, people may think that I'm college educated, but the truth is that I'm really not. What I really am, is college traumatized, college dehumanized, college neglected and exploited, and I only got educated AFTER and OUTSIDE of college, almost entirely by myself.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
when are you going to make new videos?
Morphious142777 2 months ago
I grew as a person in college. My degree has helped me a lot in my life, not just employment. You must have gone to a shitty school.
A lot of what you said is true, but lets not act as if higher education has no value. Its actually a necessity. The college industry didn't make me crazy. What made college hard for me were the other students, not the institution.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
Is your name black or hispanic-sounding?
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie No. My name is white sounding. I do remember long bouts of depression in college because of the social environment, but my education is top notch. There isn't a lot of room for politics in science classes.
Every college is different. Just because the administration on your campus sucked doesn't mean its like that everywhere. A school has to be a good fit for the student, and a good education can certainly be affordable. Big schools make you pay for their name.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
Your name is white-sounding, and that's my whole point. Try going to a quality college with a classically black or Spanish name, and see what sort of experience you have. It's a very different world when your name isn't an ethno-racial beacon shining back to the supremely glorious Hanseatic realm of almighty Northern Europe.
In college, only the Hanseatic is truly taken seriously. Everyone and everything else is just, at best, zoology.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie You make good points, and the same people who uphold the Hanseatic throne of Northern Europe have no idea that the first link in their European "chain" are based on people who are not "European" at all. The isle of Crete was inhabited by dark Minoans who if anything resemble Polynesians.
PhilxEulogyx 2 months ago
@PhilxEulogyx Have you read Nell Irvin Painter's "The History of White People"? That opened my eyes really so much.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie No im going to have to check that out, but your videos really make sense. Ive seen tons of people with the so called high status degrees and come from elite schools yet can't tell you what the word "Egypt" means....
PhilxEulogyx 2 months ago
@PhilxEulogyx Well, then, I'm guilty of that, too, because if the name "Egypt" has some meaning beyond just being an arbitrary name, I'm going to have to now go google it...
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@rfrantzt i agree with u partially a lot of it depends on the school and atmosphere... the logic junkie was thrown to the wolves and sharks at an elite school.. that didnt respect him... he got in over his head... he didnt say that he got no value at all from the experience.. i think later on he became wiser.. what doesnt kill you makes you stronger later on..
sylviabeth2 2 months ago
This is pretty much correct. College itself didn't do very much for me that was positive in the long run -- it actually did more long-run damage.
Also, I could count on not even one full hand how many classes in college I really got anything from that I would say was uniquely worth the experience of going to college per se. I would say that one of the best professors I ever had was an archeology and art history professor named David Castriota.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@sylviabeth2 Yeah, rich snobs can make you feel like dirt, especially when they are the majority. I just believe that Americans especially need higher education right now because the populace is just so damn stupid... across every ethnicity and socioeconomic class American students cannot compete with the world in math or science. Our political system reflects American stupidity.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt This poster is a shill. Don't take his comments seriously. I think most alumni can relate to the poor standard education system.
dutytocareforothers 2 months ago in playlist Must watch videos
@dutytocareforothers A shill? Just because I don't agree with you 100%? See, my education has taught me not to think in terms of absolutes. There is a difference between public school and private school. You also have religious schools and even culturally based schools, like Historically Black Colleges for example. Then you have different majors. Perhaps I'm biased but most of the collegiate academic short-comings come from non-science disciplines.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt I don't know where you went to school, but you better start reading about how many unis have gotten caught cheating their students re: student loans. Seems that financial aide departments across the land were getting kickbacks/bribes from lenders so as to steer students to the worst type of loans. Some of those unis were Colombia, Johns Hopkins and U of Southern Cal. The whole system is rotten, and it doesn't matter your personal experience. This is the nature of college today.
ripperduck 2 months ago
@ripperduck What do you mean by the "system"? I'm sure the financial system which distributes loans is corrupt on some level, but to write off all colleges is asinine. You can get a great education at a community college.
We pay colleges to FILTER information for us. Most information out there is garbage, and an uneducated person has a hard time separating facts from nonsense. I got a lot from college, but I won't discount everyone else's experience.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
@rfrantzt One trillion dollars in total student loan debt didn't come about by mistake, it came because of the systemic corruption that takes place between unis, banks and Wall Street. And none of the uni presidents nor the Faculty Senates nor any of their national bodies have attempted to correct or even speak to that corruption. Sorry you're being asinine if you ignore the fact that the uni functionaries haven't spoken out against these crimes because they're livelihoods depend on that system.
ripperduck 2 months ago
@ripperduck I'm still getting messages from my college career center reminding me that reputation is everything and to never express negativity especially online. They like to use pedantic guilt tripping methods to control the sheepel.
dutytocareforothers 2 months ago in playlist Must watch videos
@dutytocareforothers Oh man, that is amazing! My unis ignore me, only because I've told them that they've taken me for all the money that they're going to get. If your school is so concerned about reputation maybe they should concentrate about getting their students better educated at a better price, rather than harass intelligent alumni who are voicing their well thought out opinions. Just sayin....
ripperduck 2 months ago
@rfrantzt Furthermore as I pointed out, the educational quality of unis has eroded while tuition has increased 11x in 15 years. The book "Academically Adrift" has the numbers showing that 1/2 of uni sophomores have learned nothing in the two years they had been in college. None of this has been addressed by uni functionaries again because their paychecks are connected to a rotting college system. You're not addressing that issue and without acknowledging it, then you miss the entire point.
ripperduck 2 months ago
@ripperduck That's what happen when you have a "free" market. You are given enough rope to hang yourself. I don't doubt financial corruption, nor do I doubt that many people go to schools they simply cannot afford. Community colleges are great alternatives. Living beyond our means is the staple of American culture.
Also, a lot of college students don't learn shit because they do drugs.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
I don't necessarily blame the students for choosing schools they cannot afford or getting debt, because several generations now have been systematically indoctrinated with the idea that there was always money and clientele out there for any ridiculous field you went into.
I mean, just look at Hollywood -- how often has it predicted people with fluffy, ridiculous careers, yet somehow the issue of money never comes up, and they always have business and a great lifestyle?
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
I mean, the human brain is just like a computer in the sense of just how suggestible it really is -- particularly at a younger age. It's very much "garbage in, garbage out". If you constantly show prosperous, comfortable characters with effete, trifling careers, then what message does that send to the generations of viewers?
And also, what about the endlessly repeated mantra of "Do what you love, and the money will follow"? We fuck with kids' heads and then blame them for it.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Unis invest in "sports marketing," which means they use their athletic teams as a way to promote their unis. Somewhere it was shown that the more athletic success a uni has the greater is enrollment. Now I have to say this, if anyone makes a decision to go tens or hundreds of thousands of $ in debt to attend college in any part based on what they saw on ESPN, then they shouldn't be in college. I can't think of a more stupid reason to go to any college. Indoctrination for sure.
ripperduck 2 months ago
@ripperduck I couldn't agree more.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@ripperduck The masses are asses. And the reviews and rankings of each academic program are biased as hell. And football is everything at so many colleges. It's pathetic.
dutytocareforothers 2 months ago in playlist Must watch videos
@rfrantzt CC's were FREE when I first got out of hs. In fact the CA public unis were created in such a way that students could work their way through school by taking on summer jobs. All that has changed, in order for banks/WS to make money on delusions. Since 1980's banks/WS lobbied to get taxes to public unis cut in order to fill the gap with loans. And the marketing was created to get ppl to live beyond their capacity. Walk on to any campus and you'll see how they've become resorts/spas.
ripperduck 2 months ago
@rfrantzt But the quality at community colleges is pathetic. They are not taught by people will real world experience. At least at the one I went to.
dutytocareforothers 2 months ago in playlist Must watch videos
@rfrantzt And if unis are this corrupt, then what makes you think that their departments are going to be pristine? On average tuition has risen 11x in 15 years. The education quality has fallen in that same period of time. Read "Academically Adrift" as evidence of the poor quality of college education. We're paying far more and getting far less. If that's what you call a necessity, then we need to reappraise that asset.
ripperduck 2 months ago
I went to Duke.
How shitty is that?
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie
Not shitty at all.
rfrantzt 2 months ago
That, also, is debatable. Duke is definitely not shitty by virtue of its reputation to the outside world and amongst itself, of course.
However, Duke is beneath even the contempt due to shit for how it treats its "hateful duty", as Ayn Rand used to say -- the quota minority students that I've realized in lucid hindsight it is required to take on, for the sake of various federal regulations and funding.
It detests having to compromise itself with those students, and it shows.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
YES,i thought this when i got out of high school in 1992. my friends went for things that went no where and still have the loans to pay back..
i never knew what i wanted to BE and thought 1 job all my life WHAT A WASTE!! now after many yrs and learning HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS im glad i never went and each day is still a struggle to make it to the next paycheck but i dont have a large loan to pay back.
google New Order of Barbarians transcript 1969 it will help with whats comming !
AwakeDude911 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Did you fail any of your classes at Duke? It's sad how a lot of these "professors" conduct their classes...if you don't understand material for any reason, they either send you off to their incompetent TA's, or assign you some vague research material you can buy for $15-20 at the campus bookstore...
moecool 2 months ago
I don't know what type of university you went to, but I'm currently a college student. I'm not a minority and I don't have need base, so I don't qualify for those scholarships. I have all of my college paid for by merit scholarships. All of my professors are excellent and are willing to discuss subject matter outside of the classroom. . You must of gone to a university that wasn't very good when it came to actually education
TheAnarchist73 2 months ago
@TheAnarchist73 Has the Faculty Senate made any statements re: student debt? Has your uni Pres ever talked about lowering the levels of student debt? Does your financial aide department have "preferred lender" lists? Lastly does your uni endowment invest in SLABS? If the answer is no, no, yes and yes, then your uni is part of the scam, regardless of your personal experiences...
ripperduck 2 months ago
@ripperduck the answers would be yes, yes, yes, and no. 1 out of 4 isn't so bad. If you're in debt then it's your own fault for choosing to take out a loan without considering you might not be able to pay it back
TheAnarchist73 2 months ago
Truth: Your professors, your unis and administrators DONT care about you. What they care about is their pensions, their tenure and their grants.THATS IT! Not once have the Faculty Senate EVER said anything about student debt, neither have the Uni administrators. The financial system is corrupt and the unis are part of that system. Why the hell do you think if the banks and Wall Street are corrupt that the unis would be any different? They live off your loans and that's all u b good 4.
ripperduck 2 months ago
@ripperduck People don't use logic anymore.
dutytocareforothers 2 months ago
@dutytocareforothers Hell ain't that the truth.....
ripperduck 2 months ago