The human cost of animal testing part 3

[noratmedicine]

Dr Herbert Gundersheimer, "Results from animal tests are not transferable between species, and therefore cannot guarantee product safety for humans…In reality these tests do not provide protection for consumers from unsafe products, but rather are used to protect corporations from legal liability."

[noratmedicine]

If you make a drug that's effective against HIV, sometimes it works against SIV and sometimes it doesn't. So that basically devalues SIV as an animal model for doing experiments involved with developing drugs…The slight problem (with using monkeys as an animal model for AIDS in humans) is the monkeys don't go on to develop AIDS, they don't get sick. Dr Paul Bieniasz of the Rockefeller University in New York. Quoted in Scientists make HIV that can infect monkeys, Reuters, 3/3/09

[noratmedicine]

“Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless.”; - Dr James D. Gallagher; Director of Medical Research; Lederle Laboratories; Journal of the American Medical Association; March 14 1964.

curedisease. net

[monjerusalem1972]

animal testing is DANGEROUS. it isn't reliable when it comes to humans. study into the subject instead of talking rubbish. find out about the monetary power of pharmaceuticl industry. whoever thinks animal experiments are useful and right is simply IGNORANT and not to mention MORALLY INFERIOR.

[morrowindmods]

: - ( yes it is ecessary

But there is no need for so many animals to die and BE TORTURED FOR NO REASON

[Kristin3030]

From a utilitarian perspective morality should not be based on species differences!

[noratmedicine]

@Kristin3030 particularly when there is nothing to weigh up anyway, ie humans do not benefit from animal exp. Much trouble and some expense is gone to to convince the public that we benefit from animal exp google 'ajudem nos singer ruesch rockefeller vivisection"

[CharlieKarate]

what is the animal in the beginning????

[christina8603]

Yes we are technologically advanced and??? Do you propose we test on machines? lol Animal research is essential, not primitive.

[BDubXOne]

@christina8603

Do some thorough accredited research and you'll find this statement to be very inconclusive.

[Fatal616]

@christina8603 did you not watch this?? wow lol theres plenty of people dying of diseases that are more than willing to be 'experimented on' ie: given drugs to cure themselves

[BDubXOne]

Majority of diseases are due to human choice or lack of prevention with the knowledge we already have. Instead of putting our potential intelligence to work, we humans repeatedly make negative consequential decisions, and to use these "inferior" beings to clean up the mistakes we made is really testing our so-called superiority. The human race is just filled with a bunch of pathetic dumb asses :P Always taking the easier way out with no compassion for those you step on to pull through.

[FluffyFeralMarmot]

@BDubXOne Diseases are due to human choice? Here's a good video about what the lack of scientific understanding about diseases (like yours) can cause -- it's about the Egyptians slaughtering all of their pigs because they were worried about "swine flu":

watch?v=LYB4sDKh3FI

[BDubXOne]

@FluffyFeralMarmot

I don't think you understood what I said.

It seems so, since that video would further support my position rather than counterpoint my statement.

[johnmoreland]

Watch the documentary "EARTHLINGS'.

[Fatal616]

@johnmoreland watchearthlings(dot)com

[FatherTime89]

Notice how they don't give ANY sources for the extraordinary claim that vaccinations cause criminality.

[rottenbully]

i agree with harman all you asses that are all for animal testing take the fuckin rapists,murders,child molesters,and the rest of you and do the testing on all of you.PPL like you have no fucking soul may u all rott in hell

[FatherTime89]

At least our side doesn't have to fucking lie about the benefits of animal testing and soothe ourselves with the reassuring bullshit that 'the ends justify the means'

[rottenbully]

why don't u make fuckin sense asshole throw u in for testing and ppl like u leave the animals alone u fucker

[FatherTime89]

If you're so concerned why don't you put yourself up for testing, you're the one who says animal testing is bad and needs to change, not me.

[rottenbully]

maybe i'm the 1 out there protecting the animals against ppl like u u mother fucker

[FatherTime89]

Against people who don't lie to support their cause?

[rottenbully]

the only ppl lieing are those like u who are all for animal testing how many brands of makeup shampoos etc do we need for medical research gee where are all the fucking cures,there isn't any asshole

[FatherTime89]

Polio, whooping cough, organ transplants all came from medical research on animals. Also testing shampoos is not medical research (moron).

[rottenbully]

da wheres the cure asshole and no kidding shampoos aren't med. sio why test animals for new brands theres plenty out there

[FatherTime89]

Polio vaccine was from animal testing as was whooping cough (a vaccine is just as useful as a cure). Also insulin which diabetics need .

[rottenbully]

still no cure gee how much do u know bout diabetes u wanna go there bring it on

[FatherTime89]

So because animal testing hasn't produced cures (at least none that I'm aware of) it's entirely worthless even though it produces vaccines and stuff like organ transplants. I've heard of moving goal posts before but this is really a stretch.

[Fatal616]

@FatherTime89 vaccines and organ transplants did not require animal testing. i wonder how these humans would feel if aliens experimented on us, for their own benefit. its cool right? you'd hand yourself on over? its for the "greater good" *eye roll*

[FatherTime89]

@Fatal616 Yes there were lots of different vaccines and organ transplants that used animal testing. And no I wouldn't want animals experimenting on me but they cannot so what's the point of that question?

[noratmedicine]

@FatherTime89 polio..."... prevention was long delayed by the erroneous conception of the nature of the human disease based on misleading experimental models of the disease in monkeys."Sabin, Albert, MD [creator of the polio vaccine] statement before the subcommittee on Hospitals and Health Care, Committee on Veterans Affairs, House of Representatives, April 26, 1984 serial no. 98-48.

[noratmedicine]

@FatherTime89 "Results from animal experiments in the 1960s suggested that there might be important advances in transplantation and there-by prompted a large amount of further research into heart and kidney transplants in rats. But tissue differences between humans and rats proved that animal experiments were once again misleading. The encouraging results had raised hopes that a major advance in clinical immunosuppression for transplantation was in the offing, but these hopes have now faded..

[noratmedicine]

@FatherTime89 "...and nothing of the great mass of work has been translated into clinical practice."

(John Fabre of Oxford's Nuffield Department of Surgery, Transplantation, Vol. 34, 1982, pages 223-234.)

[Cookiecutter87]

@DerekBoswell

God loves "fags" just as much as he loves anyone else. Homosexuality is a sin, yes, but so is lying and cheating. Everyone has sinned but God loves them still. It is true that he wants sinners to repent, but that doesn't change the fact that God loves all people.

[bublegumdiva]

animal testing is wrong but we need them to test new drugs so we all can be safe ...GROW UP..AND STOP WHINING....if u love animal enough..volunteer yourself and get tested...

[903harman]

when something happens to you cous of animal testing that went wrong dont think i wont be there to laugh :),and no im no jew,

[903harman]

stfu you fucking idiot!! animals are different from us!!

rats can live in sewers without a problem but if a human goes there they get sick! its different!

even the amount of drugs something may affect one animal and destroy another! FUCK YOU UP THE ASS!

[deliciousonionsoup]

It is both immoral and amoral for human beings to experiment on animals. It is an example of speciesism - where humans think they are better than all other species. Would humans like it if they or their own families were experimented on by another species? Of course they would not. Yes, we have abused animals up to now - and we can't change that. But we can stop abusing animals by stopping all experimentation on them.

[deliciousonionsoup]

Very good video. Personally I don't think animals should be experimented on at all. Yes, most of us in a few instances have benefitted from animal testing (after all many of us have used skin products and prescription and non prescription drugs). We can't change what we have already benefitted from, but we can stop exploiting animals by not experimenting on them again. Whether the experimentations on animals benefits humans or not it is cruel and exploitative so we shouldn't do it any more.

[903harman]

GO suck some cock you fucking shitbag! you dont need animal Testing! you can close human skin or other parts to test on! you dont need to kill mammals!

[903harman]

i ment "clone"

[Garmoydra]

The man on 00:50 ...

iam speechless. So a strong, wise man. But when i look on the comments here, no one else has noticed him. Why?

[TheReaperStrain]

Shit.. That's Fucking Insane.. Fuck Anyone Who Tests Animals For Our "Advancement"

[ClonedTyranny]

Human advancement should not be at the expense of other living creatures.

[josierocks18]

okay fine i understand what r u saying, but torturing poor defenseless animals for hairsprays, for lipgloss, have u seen what happens to them.

please do research then respond

okay?

[AnimalTortureMustEnd]

3:11

omg. There is not an excuse in existence that will change what that is.

[FerFerandHidden]

Simple question to everyone who thinks Animals = Humans.

When was the last time you hugged a wild bear?

[mmcjodie]

simple question to you

when was the last time you hugged a rapist/murderer?

[FerFerandHidden]

I don't remember,because I don't live near any rapists/murders.

Unless my dog counts,he's raped my female dog once.

[mmcjodie]

sure you dont know who could be a rapist or murderer but my point is that just cos animals cant talk like humans doesnt mean they dont have feelings. dont they feel pain when they get hurt!

we wouldnt need to test on animals if humans would quit making up new diseases just to make profit and as for cosmetic companies there is no requirement by law to to test on animals

[FerFerandHidden]

Cosmetics are "iffy". And "making?" You can "make" diseases by just touching someone,or sneezing without covering your mouth.

STDs and certain heart diseases for example,can be obtained from birth. So we have to find cures for those diseases,and a multitude of others.

And those "feelings" won't stop that bear from mauling you.

[sruffmagruff]

When was the last time ANYTHING hugged a wild bear?

How about BIOLOGY SAYS HUMANS ARE ANIMALS?

I don't think humans are animals, I KNOW humans are animals because I took 7th freaking grade biology.

[FerFerandHidden]

...Yes?

[mmcjodie]

you cant label everyone as hyprocrites.

and we can bitch about animal testing as there is no need for it if pharmaceutical companies would stop being greedy. and i dnt know where your going with "wash your body with your own piss and shit" eh hello there are shower gels out there that are animal cruelty free. do some research please before you start ranting

[twofuzzyferrets]

Lets see if going all natural with all household product we use will thwart you from acquiring cancer. Since nearly every home uses products that were animal tested, I'll be the control, and you can the test. When you are on your death bed dying of cancer, begging for another topical of hemp oil, I will be begging for another dose of morophine, and happy.

Only Jesus Saves, but science helps! You do the research, hippie! Disconnect yourself from society, maybe kill yourself, It's not going away

[kendallbob]

this made me laugh, because you seem like you think youre so smart, except jesus doesnt exist ahhahahahaha

[twofuzzyferrets]

I know two things: 1) I am smarter than you (childish, but fact) and 2) the Christian faith is the only religion that can be proven to be true on a historical level, not just through the bible. Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself. Dumbass!

[kendallbob]

it's actually physically impossible for a christian to be smarter than an atheist.

[twofuzzyferrets]

I would like to point out your intelligence by stating the obvious; You are so narrow minded that you cannot take the topic at hand and have a constructive conversation regarding it, but instead divert attention to something you can't explain or legitimately argue against.

My point is simple, and I'll dull it down so you can understand me clearly;

Me Christian, You numbskulled moron.

(quoting biff from back to the future) HELLO????? ANYBODY HOME??????

[twofuzzyferrets]

Where are these showers? The last I checked, the water that is supplied to your so-called "cruelty free" bathing session contains chemicals that were tested on animals. I would like to top that off by stating that further animal testing will still be necessary due to the constant supply of bacterial and biological contaminants that are supplied to the water system. Hey genius, continue to use your organic bullshit, you're still promoting the killing of animals by using household water.

[sruffmagruff]

No, I bitch about animal testing because this is the year 2009, and we are highly technologically advanced. There is no reason to continue a primitive practice that is costly when there are better and more efficient methods.

The continuation of animal testing is an embarrassment of human intelligence.

[twofuzzyferrets]

Idiots! Animal testing will continue to be necessary due to the constant evolution of human well being. If everybody shared the empathy you do for these animals, it will be YOU that cause the demise of the human race. It is unfortunate that animals have to suffer, but my well being is much more important than theirs. No matter how greedy pharmaceutical companies are, they do not make their money off of animal testing, they make their money off of the product they sell.

[903harman]

You are a FUCKING IDIOT! THEY MAKE ALL THERE MONEY OFF OF ANIMAL TESTING!

if they didn't use animal Testing then the Deadly products they sell would kill and they would get sued! its only something to divert the attention.

[kwh8c]

I didn't know this! What are the better and more efficeint methods?  Thanks!

[stephyflaca1]

@sruffmagruff Amen to that!!

[Cunneryn]

@sruffmagruff

Even today, these kind of test are needed. No alternative have been proven efficiency. Immagine if you had to test the drug on every type of cells in the body separatly. It would take a awfully long time

[zonip67]

@sruffmagruff I don't think there's more and better methods than animal testing, unless you'r considering testing on humans.

[LondonProphet]

1. The original tests didn't involve pregnant animals

2. Guinea Pigs see deformation, and many other animals see unusual litters (e.g. particularly small litters - the type of thing researchers pick up on)

[ntimothyt]

........but espeacially vaccines....... i hope parents who see this video still will vaccinate their children.

[zaidmalik]

90% of animal testing are completly useless...this here are the other 10%

[34maude]

My last comment was in reference to jun7per.

[MokomaSusi]

Consumers are the final test subjects.

[illustratedcore]

without animal testing for medicine THERE IS NO MEDICINE!!! we would all have polio right now and wouldnt be able to fight diabites!!!

[goingemoguy]

Did you not watch the documentary? Look at all the medical problems that are the result of misleading animal experimentation.

[NextGenMercenaries]

@goingemoguy Never once do u speak of the many cures, medicines, and other products that have came from animal testing . Yes there were failures but there were far more success...

[noratmedicine]

@NextGenMercenaries That is because no cures or medicines have come due to animal experimentation. Animal exp is at best incidental and at worst fatal to humans. If you give me some specific eg's I can reply. curedisease. net may answer some common misbeliefs

[stephjuhler999]

Animals should not be made to suffer unnecessarily. They may not be as intelligent as us and they may not be able to reason but they have the ability to feel pain so testing on them is extremely unethical. Furthermore, as this video shows, testing on them provides unreliable results that can not be applied to humans. Many doctors have found this out. For those of you who don't believe this do the research on the reliability of animal testing and you'll know the truth!

[pityubacsi]

The best way to avoid these sicknesses is changing lifestyle.

E.g. It is not that poor animal's fault that you smoked and got lung cancer.

[ScHiZuPhReNiC]

@pityubacsi too bad you can also get longue cancer even tho you never even smoked in your entire life. But I know what you mean buddy, same goes with all kinds of other diseases and stuff. There will be always new diseases and stuff we want to have cured and this is the cheapest way.

[lumpfish99]

But we know have cloning and can clone human cells why do they still use animals?? this is so fucked...

[jun7per]

Animal testing makes me vomit. Its been proven to be cruel and unnecessary. The doctors are monsters. Do not buy products tested on animals. If you think about it if a comapny has the need to test on animals than the product is clearly dangerous, full of chemicals. Laura Mercier, Clarins, Mac and Clinique do not test on animals and their products are so gentle and lovely. the quality is much better as well.

[34maude]

You have got to be kidding me, they are owned by estee lauder who has tested as the highest in levels in lead for lipstick and other lead based pigments....they also all contain SLS, DEA, parabens, and all manners of petrochemicals...gentle and lovely my ass. Get yourself to Whole Foods Post Haste and find yourself some reasonably chemical free cosmetics, and please do some reading before you go spewing such UTTER NONSENSE!

[darko55]

Because obviously cloning is wrong... Heyy Tom I just cloned this baby now lets test the drugs on him... Lets mass produce so we can test even more. Some escape or you know we could make something worse then Cancer... like lets say something like the T Virus from Resident Evil.

[lumpfish99]

you dont need to clone an entire person, just the cells for the test....

[purpleneetha]

You do not clone the entire person! Its just the cloning of the cells which later becomes sort of a layer of skin and chemicals are tested on that!

[daniixvegiix33]

So we used to test on humans, and now animals? so you think that if we still tested on humans for medicin it would be OK? I didn't think so, no matter what reason its wrong, find a new way, its wrong and pain ful, any testing is wrong, wether its animals or humans..sacrifce your life to be tested on? huh? i bet you wouldn't do it, but u careless about it being done to another living thing.

[petegoyeroslin]

no asshole i wouldnt sacrifice my life, thats why we use animals, i sure hope for your sake you never get cancer or diabetes, becuase your convictions would cost your life, as those medications used were developed in animal labs..

[SleepySkeptic]

You sacrifice animals.. which isn't your sacrifice to make. See how fairness might be compromised in your belief system in favor of pure selfishness?? I'm not willing to do that with my morals. If the person has integrity, and has a horrible disease, they will sooner submit themselves for testing rather than inflict someone else with said disease and test on that, then look how risky that is. Bottom line, you're a moron, it shows, and parasites like you should be considered enemies of Earth.

[petegoyeroslin]

yer so full of shit!!! if you were had diabetes you would take insulin.

your fearless leader at peta takes it, pam anderson your spokesmerson had breast implants, if its good for them why not you.

yes i am selfish, humans are on top of th efood chain, at least i have the "morals" to admit it.

[SleepySkeptic]

You have the "morals" to admit that your morality is compromised by self interest. I rest my case. Anyone who respects logic will reject your view.

Fearless leader at Peta?? You're saying the founder of Peta is my leader?? And she takes insulin?? I think you're full of shit. Lots of animal rights people probably take insulin, doesn't mean they approve of the methods used to obtain it. An animal rights person with cancer isn't going to suddenly approve of cancer research using animal torture.

[darko55]

Sleepy thats clearly wrong. Usually humans want to live there ganna do what ever they can to live. Mm if it was me Yes I'd want to live. That doesn't mean I'd be happy about it but yes I'd want to live.... If I didn't know my girlfriend or if she didn't need me then Hell I'd be happy to die but thats just my view.

[evilblades]

serious, most of the stuff spoken about there just isnt true.

[Terri3210]

I never added this as a fav to my list on you tube.

My hacker put it in and it cannot be removed.

I am selective as to what I save and if I save its because I want to share with others.

I would have chosen a little juicier than this.

Terri

[Unclesamslair]

polio, how was it cured?

[eljagg01]

Not thru animal testing, but it's still not relevant:

does the end justify the means?

[petegoyeroslin]

i hope non of you peta asshole ever have a health problem, cus chances are the meds you would require are animal tested, just like your fearless leadeer who is against animal testing but has diabetes, or pam anderson the make up queen with her big dow corning tits

[eljagg01]

We dont buy from pharmaceutical companies that torture animals, actually. This makes us assholes? Sad. :(

[petegoyeroslin]

it plain to see that member of peta do... as demonstrated by your president and spokesperson.

[ladydream1]

fuck them for testing poor animals,hope they go to jail and hell!!

from **Pebles718**

[RHii4NB4B3Z]

Its Nor Like Killing Them To Find Cures For Diseases! Animals React Different To All The Drugs Than Us. & What About Animal Testing For Make Up & Hairspray? We Blind Rabbits For Hairspray. Whats The Point? We Dont Need ANOTHER Hairspray. So Why Kill A Rabbit For No Reason?

[hunterdonhillbilly]

FUCKIN' LIARS

[chibimarulover5]

WELL "0Hoydenish" GOD DIDN'T DO THIS, WE DID. WE KILLED, TORTURED, HURT, MISUNDERSTOOD, THESE ANIMALS.

[0Hoydenish]

All-right, All-right. Thats what i am saying. Humans have done this, its because ofus that animals face this inhumane things experimemts etc

[WoWaddict3d]

Every day thousands of people are saved from diseases and death thanks to medicine that wouldn't be there without animal testing. Don't u think that all the benefit overweights the cost? I sure do think so. If u were vaccined when u was a kid, ur life was probably saved thanks to the vaccine that was tested on animals. When there will be no diseases, there will be no animal testing, so the sooner u stop burning testlabs the sooner u get rid of the animal testing.

[SleepySkeptic]

If you think it's worth the cost, why not make the sacrifice yourself??

[zootedsuit]

if scientists haven't figured out that our DNA greatlt differs from that of MOST animals, we are certain to continue down the same ignorant path

[TheGodMar]

Ignorant path? Dear, guess what? The reason we have medicine and the reason we know of more about psychology is because of ANIMAL TESTING. It's not an ignorant path. You are just a fucking idiot. You know nothing about psychology or biology. You're just speculating; delusional.

[Corrupt5358]

Guess what duhhhh! wrong!

Psychology itself is not quite as good as basic common sense. You are the fucking idiot! They should do these experiments on people like you, the test results might even be relevant then.

[0Hoydenish]

Why oh why do these fucking hillbillies think they own everything---- LEAVE ANIMALS ALONE YOU MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!

[BlazethePorcupine]

why do you hippies think that animals are better than people?

[0Hoydenish]

Firstly I am not a hippie.

I just have compassion.

Secondly, why do you think humans should be held in a higher regard?

After all, they are single handedly responsible for all the corruption.

What have the animals done?

[BlazethePorcupine]

I don't see animals creating their own writing system, building cities, curing diseases

They are simply lower beasts

Whatever form of corruption in society does not change the fact that we are above animals

[0Hoydenish]

Butt i ask again, what have the ANIMALS DONE to deserve this?

[BlazethePorcupine]

Next time make it a part 3...

look I know its not fair (for animals)

a lot of things in life are not fair.

Unfortunately, a lot of these things that are not fair affect innocent children (...disease)

And for now the most effective way to combat these diseases is this kind of medical research

[0Hoydenish]

Okay dude:

1) Tell a child that it's dying of cancer:

Regardless of all modern day science ones suffering is not put to a halt. It is pro-longed.

My Aunt had cancer, she got treatment first time around & 2 years later they told her she had 6 months to live. On that note, she refused any further treatment & guess what, she had more peace.

Now, for that child, cancer does not vanish, it always comes back and if that kid does not have cancer it might walk out get run over and die anyway.

[0Hoydenish]

sorry ran out of space:

2) Animals- of course it is not fair, why test on the innocent clearly you keep calling babies innocent, so are animals. Why not test on those rapists, those murderers or those paedophiles'!

Why animals? Why not the savages?

Everyone has their own views.

& I think this is pointless.

[WoWaddict3d]

Why animals and not human (even pedophiles)?

Because they are humans. They are intelligent beings that know about a better life. This is what a rat doesn't know. And it's sad when people show videoclips of testing labs where animals are really treated wrong. And believe it or not one of the main rules in animaltesting is to cause as less pain as possible. And activists, showing a video where an animal is "treated wrong" they try to give the idea that it's happening everywhere.

[0Hoydenish]

Also, did you know, that with all the money that animal testing is funded with, they could feed the dying and starving children, if you care about children soo much, which you clearly do, then, bug the Government to help out the children rather then killing the animals.

Just a thought.

[WoWaddict3d]

Does it really matter? I mean after all thanks to animal testing we have medicines that FUCKING SAVE HUMAN LIVES.

[0Hoydenish]

The money would help the hungry dying children ridden with disease......

GOSH!

[WoWaddict3d]

I don't get the whole children part here. We, here in our warm houses with food can get diseases too. And what's the use of feeding a child that will die from a disease. That's why we have both, money going to feed children and money going to get cures for diseases, which WE can get too. I mean.. In the last century it was normal when u had like 10 children and 4 of them died from a disease. Thanks to vaccines etc. that have been developed on animaltestings we dont have that anymore.

[0Hoydenish]

Basically, in lay-men terms:

Animal testing sucks hairy arse.

& boo-hoo, to the rest.

\|^^|

Peace Out.

[alexciaramirez05]

omg. that is horrible :(

When I was a kid, we didnt have health insurance for years, so we rarely went to the Dr for anti-biotics, unless it was something that didnt go away, i.e. really bad ear infection.

I am a pretty healthy and rarely get ill.

same for my sisters.

I attribute that to not filling our immune system with that crap.

[TheGodMar]

With crap? You do realize some people would be dead without that "crap"? You guys either have good immune systems or you're lucky. Don't assume everyone is like you. Quit being ignorant and educate yourself.

[0Hoydenish]

Why play God. Life and Death are the only things in life which are guaranteed. So I ask, what's the point of prolonging the inevitable?

[BlazethePorcupine]

Explain that to a child dying of cancer.

[bauhearse]

thanks for putting it on youtube.