I respect that MTG is collectible, it is a novel concept.. but when push comes to shove after nearly 20yrs of the game existing, it would be nice to see some sustainability for those who just wish to play a card game. WOTC is in substantial error if they believe it is good that $4,000 card collections are being transported to play at a local level. I think stores at the local level would welcome a more casual format, with a constantly reprinted card pool, to be the great equalizer.
@wolfv22 I really wanted to get into competitive Magic but the prices are way too high. A good deck can cost up to $600. And you always need to be able to play multiple decks according to the metagame. I don't know how people can afford these prices.
It's supply and demand, in the end. The rising price of certain cards is due mostly to the surging popularity of the game when a tournament staple has casual appeal and mythic rarity, it's going to get expensive...
I play online and I hope to play paper Magic in the future, but I might not because of the prices of these cards ($50 for one Baneslayer Angel!). I always wondered how players afford these decks. I know FNM's don't cover it.
i think that with the new set sizes cards will ahve to be more powerful and so in higher demand to keep the secondary market going. right now it isn't going well,
only being able to charge $12 for a card as good as ajani Vanjeant despite his mythic rariry just isn't good enough.
I don't think he's talking about Vintage. Listen to it again; he expected and even wanted cards to get more valuable over the course of many years. But when cards in Standard are $50, that's really bad for the game.
he has no problem with the 20 dollar cards, and the 50 dollar foils... but what is his opinion of the 500 to 2,000 dollar non-foils... such as the Moxen and Black Lotus'??? I would think that he has regretted making those ever since their price tags started to sky rocket like that...
Yes, Dr. Garfield was talking about Standard; he was discussing cards like Tarmogoyf and Mutavault, whose prices were astronomical around the time of US Nationals (August 2008).
Black Lotus, Mox and such cards were made at a time where no or very few players were expected to get four of a kind to build a deck. He also points out that, overtime, cards could be special... Those cards are very old now and are almost only available on the second-hand market (how much for a sealed beta booster box? lol). I don't think he regrets making those cards, but he regrets how some cards which are still available in boosters rise to 20$ as soon as they come out.
yes, i believe he was discussing standard/extended more than legacy. he also mentions that he had the idea to make it similar to collecting stamps. you go and buy it expecting over time for the cards to appreciate.
moxen are the perfect example of that. being out of print causes an extreme restriction on the total supply so the price will be quite high. in the short term, when you can still "bust open a pack and find treasures inside," there's no reason for cards to be greater than $20.
Hello, mr. Pointless Comment. Restating the same old Economics for Dummies quote doesn't make it more true. The reason these cards are expensive is because another retarded person, named Mark Rosewater, has changed Magic into a game, where the only way to do well is to have deep pockets. The invention of Mythic rares and forcing tournament decks to have several playsets of Mythic rares is the recipe for one thing only: forcing people to spend more money than they did before.
Build a community. Share cards, borrow and lend. I Qualified for my country's Nationals tournament with a deck I borrowed and I finished 4rth with only two out of the four Jace copies in my deck being actually mine (none was bought). Don't whine and don't underestimate anyone who does well by saying they just have deep pockets. A very close friend of mine top8ed the nats with an pyromancer deck. No mythics at all.
I respect that MTG is collectible, it is a novel concept.. but when push comes to shove after nearly 20yrs of the game existing, it would be nice to see some sustainability for those who just wish to play a card game. WOTC is in substantial error if they believe it is good that $4,000 card collections are being transported to play at a local level. I think stores at the local level would welcome a more casual format, with a constantly reprinted card pool, to be the great equalizer.
TrollOvGrimness 1 year ago 2
Buy boosters...hope you get lucky...
bendtx 1 year ago 2
I hear sounds of dissapointment from the creator.
Boo, you guys. Boo.
ScarletBlade12 1 year ago 8
i think its a direct responce to baneslayer, and jace
wolfv22 1 year ago 4
@wolfv22 I really wanted to get into competitive Magic but the prices are way too high. A good deck can cost up to $600. And you always need to be able to play multiple decks according to the metagame. I don't know how people can afford these prices.
Spengler56 1 year ago 8
@wolfv22 Keep in mind that those cards did not publicly exists yet, nor did they cost that much.
canman87 1 year ago
It's supply and demand, in the end. The rising price of certain cards is due mostly to the surging popularity of the game when a tournament staple has casual appeal and mythic rarity, it's going to get expensive...
milesmason777 1 year ago
Someone better not tell him a yugi card went for 2k a piece.
Duobitdezo 1 year ago
he doth spake...LOWER THE PRICE OF WALLET-SLAYER SO I CAN PLAY SOME DECENT MAGIC!
kennysorel 1 year ago 4
Baneslayer angel...Lotus Cobra...Maelstrom pulse...
All this cards are great, but overpriced, so for a casual player it is very hard to have them, so they slowly start drifting out of the game...
chicopollo 2 years ago 3
I play online and I hope to play paper Magic in the future, but I might not because of the prices of these cards ($50 for one Baneslayer Angel!). I always wondered how players afford these decks. I know FNM's don't cover it.
Spengler56 2 years ago
alot of good trading, and if your like me, me and my brother help eachother get certan cards
MTGBrandon 1 year ago
ALL HAIL RICHARD GARFIELD!
wowrulez111 2 years ago 4
Yes, RG is quite amazing :)
terrrg 2 years ago 4
And he doth spake, let there be magic...
vhsccboy 2 years ago
Dr. Shifty eyes is right.
deadvideokid 2 years ago
cashsieze is way to expencive
therealbabo 2 years ago
i think that with the new set sizes cards will ahve to be more powerful and so in higher demand to keep the secondary market going. right now it isn't going well,
only being able to charge $12 for a card as good as ajani Vanjeant despite his mythic rariry just isn't good enough.
bobudess 3 years ago
He's talking about Vintage, where the cards get more and more expensive.
Shimlarian 2 years ago
Jace and Baneslayer say hi.
Coldbrand 1 year ago 2
I don't think he's talking about Vintage. Listen to it again; he expected and even wanted cards to get more valuable over the course of many years. But when cards in Standard are $50, that's really bad for the game.
GFraggle 1 year ago 6
he has no problem with the 20 dollar cards, and the 50 dollar foils... but what is his opinion of the 500 to 2,000 dollar non-foils... such as the Moxen and Black Lotus'??? I would think that he has regretted making those ever since their price tags started to sky rocket like that...
Cadell02 3 years ago
i think he is talking about standard, and i doubt he regrets much about mtg.
agdstardust 3 years ago 5
Yes, Dr. Garfield was talking about Standard; he was discussing cards like Tarmogoyf and Mutavault, whose prices were astronomical around the time of US Nationals (August 2008).
icametogame 3 years ago 3
Great clip. When does your film come out?
thoughtlaced 2 years ago 3
Black Lotus, Mox and such cards were made at a time where no or very few players were expected to get four of a kind to build a deck. He also points out that, overtime, cards could be special... Those cards are very old now and are almost only available on the second-hand market (how much for a sealed beta booster box? lol). I don't think he regrets making those cards, but he regrets how some cards which are still available in boosters rise to 20$ as soon as they come out.
Sounds fear.
blaze12g 3 years ago 4
yes, i believe he was discussing standard/extended more than legacy. he also mentions that he had the idea to make it similar to collecting stamps. you go and buy it expecting over time for the cards to appreciate.
moxen are the perfect example of that. being out of print causes an extreme restriction on the total supply so the price will be quite high. in the short term, when you can still "bust open a pack and find treasures inside," there's no reason for cards to be greater than $20.
power9pro 3 years ago 5
There's one really good reason: because people want them. So goes the market.
jakeenk 2 years ago
Hello, mr. Pointless Comment. Restating the same old Economics for Dummies quote doesn't make it more true. The reason these cards are expensive is because another retarded person, named Mark Rosewater, has changed Magic into a game, where the only way to do well is to have deep pockets. The invention of Mythic rares and forcing tournament decks to have several playsets of Mythic rares is the recipe for one thing only: forcing people to spend more money than they did before.
Murag 1 year ago 27
@Murag
Build a community. Share cards, borrow and lend. I Qualified for my country's Nationals tournament with a deck I borrowed and I finished 4rth with only two out of the four Jace copies in my deck being actually mine (none was bought). Don't whine and don't underestimate anyone who does well by saying they just have deep pockets. A very close friend of mine top8ed the nats with an pyromancer deck. No mythics at all.
Van1tyC4se 8 months ago 2
He's talking about standard only, where you can easily spend 200$ on 4 cards, which is more than most casuals spend on their collections.
clokverkorange 3 years ago
RG is brilliant.
anday3456 3 years ago 33
Interesting Vid!
howloudcanyouscream 3 years ago 2