I don't want to be the asshole here, but healthcare isn't a right. You can't force people to pay for your healthcare. You can give all that society benefits as a whole thing to rationalize it(I did the same when i supported it). It doesn't change the fact that we don't owe you healthcare, It's not in the constitution that i must pay for others sick people. If you want to amenended it so it does that a different debate. Yeah I know I am the mean libertarian But my facts stand as true.
@HappyCabbie It's not like I am for the status quo. But socialized medicine isn't the answer. We need a free market healthcare system. Are healthcare is probably the best in the world it's just to expensive, so most people can't afford it, when we allow competition that keeps prices down and people with Cancer or Lupus can afford treatments.
Ronald Reagan was seldom wrong, but on this occasion he was. Every country needs some level of socialized medicine. The NHS here in England ensures that every one has free medicare should they need it. However, like all socialist ideals, it is open to abuse. It''s no good saving someone's life if they're then going to starve to death in order to pay the bill. Keep state medicine corruption free and free from abuse then it's the only socialist ideal that would and could work.
Reagan didn't say this would stem from just medicare, at the "bullshit detector" part he was talking about a federal program for everyone, not just medicare. And the bill he was talking about at the start, was not the same bill that medicare currently is. It included a few more people than just the elderly (go back and listen).
And it is not a right to have healthcare. If you believe in this principle, then you must agree with FDR's 2nd bill of rights.Youtube FDR 2ndBillRight
@holydiver73 your ignorance is epic. You lack anything resembling an understanding of the political implications of ObamaCare. The left has strived for this control for a century. They deem the capturing of control over this bastion of freedom as the ultimate conquest. Once the government controls your healthcare, personal liberty is diminished. It changes the relationship with the Government from citizens to subject
@holydiver73 . Yet discussing this is unnecessary, for by every metric ObamaCare is a disaster, just as we knew it would be given Government run healthcare is in numerous countries around the world. In a nutshell, Obama Lied and fools like you fell for it.
Reagan's principles are all completely valid. You are the kind of "do-gooder" that he was warning is a threat to what makes our country and its freedom so special and rare. Universal Health Care takes away the sanctity of the doctor-patient relationship. It also has to be funded via coercion and upheld under monopolistic constraints. Both of these energies are an unhealthy foundation. Do a study of how many church-ran hospitals have been forced to shut-down resulting in less care for the needy.
@HappyCabbie ObamaCare is inferior care for more money than the status-quo-and you are ok with the Government usurping our money and forcing their one-size fits all healthcare system down the throats of our citizenry. Thanks God, you idiot idea is impossible-for if the mandate is rightfully ruled unconstitutional, ObamaCare is over. It is unsustainable without the mandate, per Obama and his minions
@PatriciaCookFind1 Let me tell you how much it costs to have dialysis here in Phoenix. $3,000 per session. People often have 2 or 3 sessions per week. That is just dialysis. Organ transplants such as liver can be over $100,000.
Sorry but when it comes to healthcare of our seniors we don't put a price tag and chose who lives and who dies based on how much money they have in the bank. We do that for the young people.
@PatriciaCookFind1 Oops my mistake, I meant to say Medicare. I am actually having mulitple conversations at the same time.
So again, this is why I support Medicare, because it shields seniors from bearing the full cost of their end of life care. It is not the best program but it covers everyone.
@PatriciaCookFind1 So what do people who are not millionaries supposed to do when they have a disease that requires long term care such as cancer, aids, and ect?
This is why social security was set up, to protect our seniors from losing their life savings so they can pass it on to their children, or give it to charity.
@PatriciaCookFind1 So you would support not covering 100 percent of senior citizens and allowing them to lose their life savings due to medical bills?
I will make it a Priority of mine that Wisconsin does not re-elect such a heartless person in 2012
i doubt Americans will ever had universal healthcare, americans hate high taxes, shame too because it does have it's problems in Britain but it works well.
you're american, and you're telling me how well the UK healthcare system is? stfu. you don't know shit. My granddad has cancer and guess how much it's cost us? 0. he got diagnosed and got drugs within about 3weeks. for nothing besides the taxes the entire country pays anyway. why do you think every single 1st world nation has some sort of free healthcare? if they all work "horribley"
@JoshMufc101 I spent 2 years in Germany and can tell you I don't want to live under their healthcare system. Virtually all countries with a national system has a big problem providing service in a timely manor to it citizens as you must be aware. In this country there are millions on welfare and medical assistance. I don't need it and resent having the government tell me I MUST conform to a lower standard.
@JoshMufc101 You may just think cause ur grandad was lucky enough to get in, that its like that for everyone else its not. Canada for example.. I have met many different people who have told me plenty of things about the socialized health care system they have people are dieng, because they are put on long waiting lists. Have u done any research Cuba right now is trying to get rid of its Socialize health care it is a burden to them and there country and trying to break free from it
the fact you can't spell dying leads me to believe you have no idea what your talking about. Cuba isn't a 1st world country, of course poorer countries aren't going to have the same level of care, ask Canadians, the overwhelming majority would prefer their healthcare to America's. in my country anyway, serious disease's are always treated first, i can't speak for Canada but i'd think it isn't too different over there.
The "long lines" excuse is the last one they can grab onto since everything else has been long refuted & they're aware that it's impossible to refute an anecdotal "I was in Canada and SAW WITH MY OWN EYES how sick people have to wait for eons!". I'd have more respect for the detractors if they just came out & admitted that they don't give 2 shits whether a uni system reduces far more suffering, they'll continue opposing it simply because it doesn't sit well with them ideologically
@HappyCabbie Actually, he wasn't trying to oppose Medicare on the grounds that it'll tell doctors what they can learn and what they can practice/where they can live. He said that the bill will make it easier for the American people to accept that form of action if the government felt that it was "needed".
Reagan was a traitor. When he was called on it he "courageously" pretended to have forgotten about it. He did more to erode the civil liberties of Americans than any other president. Whether there is a heaven or a hell is up to subjective conjecture. But if there is a hell Reagan is there servicing his master in a most humiliating way just as he did on earth.
@JBBlitz That makes no sense and just seems like petty individualism.
"I don't care about improving this country if we have to adopt a succesful program from another country! I'm 'merkin god damnit!, that ain't the 'merikin way!"
Look, Universal Healthcare has worked in every first world nation to the point where America is the only first world nation not to have it. It works. France has far better healthcare than the U.S and they spend half as much money per capita on it.
I'm curious as to how you can say the man is wrong here. he was not speaking of medicare but rather what it leads to. if you're speaking of national health care wich passed nov 2009 but will not take effect until 2013. give it time dictatorships rise quickly and without warning. Hitler took power in less than 10 years. o and he hid behind stoical health care too.
@JackReace360 You need to find a way to convince President Reagan that he was not speaking about Medicare. The sole purpose of this recording was to fuel a grass roots effort to stop the Medicare bill from passing.
@HappyCabbie well that would be hard because the man is dead. second it was to stop medicare because it leads to social health care. hmmm what was passed but was just deemed unconstitutional? right.....
@JackReace360 socialized medicine was not ruled unconstitutional. Obamacare was, and it was a poorly written bill. All it did was place a bandaid over the problem. As long as it remains cheaper and cost effective to let sick people die we will have health care problems.
Universal Healthcare, true socialized medicine, is what I support
@HappyCabbie so aperntly you dont wach the news eather. a fedral judge ruled eather last week or the week before that obama care was un constutinal on the grounds that
quote" Congress has no authority to force Americans to buy a particular product such as health insurance."
these websites have articles abought if you want to read it.
washingtontimes
ocregister
sfexaminer "sf= San Francisco"
and no i didn't get this from fox news I can look up facts for myself
@JackReace360 You are correct but, those that want socialized medicine want a statist dictatorship too. So, triing to show them the truth is like talking to a wall.
@SpankyFC I disagree. I think President Reagan was one of our nation's greatest leaders. He built up the military, helped us win the cold war. He made some mistakes but he got a lot of things right.
I'm sorry, but it was not Reagan who was flat-out wrong. Reagan was speaking in 1961, four years before Medicare was passed. So, he's not talking about it. He was talking about a hypothetical. You talk about the fact that we haven't moved to socialized medicine yet, but look at the new health care bill and the recent ruling by a federal judge in VA that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. Only time will tell how the new law(s) will affect our country.
@z4nizzle Either your trying to convince everyone that history didn't happen or you've simply not done your homework.
Have a gander at this: news.google.com/newspapers?id=CWgzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pzIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,1255209&dq=ronald-reagan+medicare&hl=en
Let me know if you want more. I have plenty to go around and the rest of the year off so I can slap down any lame argument you dare try to throw up on this subject.
Making statements like, "You've simply not done your homework." and "[You're] trying to convince everyone that history didn't happen" are feeble attempts at propping yourself up on an intellectual high-horse and have no qualitative merit in a debate. They are also uncivil and only detract from intelligent discourse.
I would appreciate you posting that link again. It didn't work.
Reagan was a shill for the AMA. The only reason the Medicare amendments were added to Social Security act in 1965 was after the AMA had a say in the bill. The nonsense that Reagan rambled on about in the recording is the same rambling that you hear today and heard decades before the recording was made.
@andreo I was just looking at your post and noticed you left a link to the subject you were addressing. How did you manage to do it. Every time I have tried to post a link URL U-tube denies my post. I can understand they don't want spamers but even a link already posted on TUBE is denied. How do you manage it?
And he was still right about it spiraling. We've seen two enormous increases in the government's influence in health care in the past seven years: Medicare Part D in 2003 and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act & Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010. Obviously, the slippery slope argument has merit here. Medicare has also become an enormous expenditure, comparable to national defense. We simply can't afford it anymore, at least in its current form.
@z4nizzle of course we can. It is paid for by taxes. Every couple of years the guys in DC run about yelling that Medicare is going broke. It isn't. They have been using that line longer than I have been alive. Now does the government spend a lot of money, yes. However the government also takes in a lot of money. Medicare is safe.
I hate it when someone tries to use fear or the "slippery slope" argument to get their point across. But some people have no shame. I wonder if Reagan really believed this BS or if he was just doing some favors for people.
doesnt the notion of privatized health care defeat the principals of democracy the US stands for so much? Shouldnt it be the government, which people elect, that should provide health care? Giving it to private corporations that are more interested in profits than in people, who they are not accountable to, to me seems more undemocratic. In my country we elect the government which serves us and we expect from it, among other things, a good health care system.
You obviously don't mind being completely indebted to another entity. That's exactly what has happened because of all the liberalized programs that have been put in place in the last century. I hope you don't live in one of those European countries that are going to have to be bailed out by the IMF.
I wouldn't call Ronald Reagan wrong in this yet. He was speaking of the dangers of socialized medicine. He may have been speaking of medicare at the time, but he was also warning of where medicare would lead. To a national health care program. Since we haven't seen the results of a national health care system in the US we can't say whether or not he was wrong or right. If Obama care continues for 30 years we will have an answer then. It is to early to tell.
@therealhoogie well it has been a generation since this was made and none of his predictions about medicare have come true. Despite how much you would like to disagree with me, Ronald Reagan made this recording in an attempt to defeat Medicare.
Maybe I give Reagan to much credit, but it does seem like he was talking about a very long term result to me. I see his fight against medicare as a fight to prevent national health care. Medicare isn't true socialism, as it does not cover the majority of the population I could be wrong and you could be right. Unfortunately no one can ask him. Unless someone knows a good clairvoyant?
@HappyCabbie Maybe I give Reagan to much credit, but it does seem like he was talking about a very long term result to me. I see his fight against medicare as a fight to prevent national health care. Medicare isn't true socialism, as it does not cover the majority of the population I could be wrong and you could be right. Unfortunately no one can ask him. Unless someone knows a good clairvoyant?
@HappyCabbie Maybe I give Reagan to much credit, but it does seem like he was talking about a very long term result to me. I see his fight against medicare as a fight to prevent national health care. Medicare isn't true socialism, as it does not cover the majority of the population I could be wrong and you could be right. Unfortunately no one can ask him. Unless someone knows a good clairvoyant?
@HappyCabbie the video is about "socialized medicine". It was made in 1961. Medicare became law in July 1965. Where are your citations?? You claim to admire Reagan yet you disagree with him on his core beliefs. You are a little marxist wannabe whose greatest claim to fame is that he posted a video on youtube.
@nobodyhomehere1502 Google operation teacup some time. This is a record that Ronald Reagan made and was circulated around via homes at coffee meetings. This recording was about Medicare did you not listen to the recording?
@HappyCabbie You post lies. This was 1961. I have heard the this many times. You post like this was some underground clandestine recording. Frigging a-hole You are a total douchebag that needs to leave Grandma's basement and get a job. Your liberal followers may think you are intelligent but then again they are liberal so what do they know?
@nobodyhomehere1502 posting lies? You are the one who denied this was about Medicare. Furthermore look up some history on the Reagan Carter Presidential Race. The Carter Administration were trying to find this copy but the Reagans had it burried. It is only with the advent of the internet that this recording has brought about new life.
@nobodyhomehere1502 This was Ronald Reagan who was President of the United States from 1980 to 1988. In my opinion one of our greatest. He was just wrong about Medicare
@HappyCabbie President Reagan Isn't the idiot mon ami, you are. Obamacare is a pipe dream. In theory it doesn't work. European nations are either rethinking or systematically undoing state run healthcare because theyhave finally realized it is unsustainable. There are other options. Government is NEVER the answer.
It's a little pretentious for you to assume that we agree that Reagan was wrong? Please enlighten me where he was wrong? We are in a state of socialism. Taking money from one person to redistribute to another...no matter the form, is in itself socialism. It has grown every year since it's inception...welfare, medicare, medicaid, section 8, unemployment. Of course it is going to grow. Without the motivation of HAVING to provide for themselves, people will let someone else worry about it.
@HappyCabbie when I have time to do that research, I will be glad to add it. For now, I'll stand by my word that I personally heard the President say this in an interview. Thanks for responding. Always open to discussion!
@Beesh03 Well just to let you know Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announce that they are going to be working with Google to trace the IP addresses of every person on the internet including YouTube. Starting next month our names and addresses will appear under every comment we post in a video.
@Beesh03 well you were supposed to ask me where I heard that, and then I was going to respond with "when I have time to do that research, I will be glad to add it. For now I'll stand by my word that I personally heard the President say this in an interview."
The point was, hearsay evidence is not evidence I can trust. Have your sources ready when someone asks you for proof. Or else post your source in the comment to begin with.
@HappyCabbie hahahahaha dude you're an ass. You're not running a legit news group here. I posted it! If you don't like that I didn't back it up with hard evidence you have the right to censor me by removing my posts. Your call!
The recording that HappyCabbie is discussing within his YouTube video was produced and distributed by the American Medical Association (I believe that Michael Moore featured this recording with his documentary movie "SICKO").
@HappyCabbie thanks the only real problem with the nhs is that the primary care trusts are being closed down so the nhs is no longer accountable to the masses and the car parking can be expensive-£8 some times
medicare is not widescale enough to be considered true socialized medicine. it only covers a certain amount of people, with many limitations.
and even then, the funds are drying up. as with medicaid, and social security, and hell, pretty much every damn gov't program out there, leading to us borrowing more money from china.
@gameragodzilla assuming your comment was a reply to my statement no it is not good enough. The point of this video was to illustrate that the great Ronald Regan was completely wrong about Medicare. Can you point to ANY prediction he made in this recording that came true?
Okay, Reagan said that socialized medicine (which I have explained how medicare is not it), will eventually lead to socialism. He was not referring to Medicare, which has limited restrictions and does not qualify as true socialized medicine (the republicans blocking the various bills doing so is one factor). His prediction on real socialized medicine rings true right now via obamacare. We are headed down that path right now, and if he's still in office, we'll be even further along that road.
@gameragodzilla the fact that you just said "He was not referring to Medicare" tells me that you did not even listen to this video. This was a recording that he made when Medicare was being proposed in Congress. People invited their neighbors over to listen to this record. It was called Operation Coffecup. It was also an issue in Regan vs Carter in 1980. Only Regan had the thing burried. When Carter found it it was too late. This video is about Medicare. Watch it the video please.
I did watch it, and he was referring to socialized medicine. What he said about Medicare led to several changes. Changes pushed through by republicans. It's because of his party that all the really bad things he said was wrong.
And once again, you have yet to address the fact that Medicare is running low on funds.
Hell, all you guys said was that physicians could choose what they do. Doesn't explain
the lack of funding, nor the fact that we are in the process of getting socialism. MOST of his words were true. Were some false? Yep. Most were true, and that is proven by the massive downhill flight Medicare is in.
@gameragodzilla Ok, we do not have any govenrment agency telling doctors where they can practice medicine or what field of medicine they can go in. Ronald Reagan did not want Medicare. He wanted nothing to do with it. While I admire the man on a great number of things, he was flat out wrong on this issue. Name one thing. That is all you have to do. Name one thing that he said would happen that came true. Medicare is part of our budget which is simply in a deficit. Nothing more.
Yeah, and the deficit us way outta hand. True, when specifically talking about Medicare, he was wrong on some points (and you have completely ignored the fact that the funds are drying up and the fact that we're headed for socialism, which are the things I'm naming).
Just a deficit? If we keep this deficit up, we'll go bankrupt. That, or this country's gonna be taking several generations to pay this off. His words on general socialized medicine were right 100%.
Medicare is under-funded (even though we spent enough money), horribly inefficient, and makes people feel they're entitled to health insurance and not work as much. AKA socialism, which destroys wealth, promoted inefficiency, and makes not working more attractive than working. Reagan's fear was socialism. Judging by how America is right now, i'd say he's correct.
@gameragodzilla First you claim that Reagan was not talking about Medicare. I laughed and we moved on. I then tried my best to beg and plead for one example of something that he said in this recording that ever came true. I have not gotten anything other than your claim that we are heading towards socialism and that you believe that Medicare is going broke. It is not. They talked about Medicare going broke in the 80's it is a campaign tactic meant to scare people into voting.
I shall admit that I totally misunderstood his statement. My bad. Reagan said that Medicare would bring in socialized medicine. It is true. Liberals are all talking about how Medicare is awesome (despite the lack of funding that you are blind to. Hell, even democrats in office agree that Medicare is headed toward financial instability), and that obamacare is going to be like that. Socialism is coming. And medicare was part of it. Once again, Reagan was right.
@gameragodzilla just curious but when is this socialized medicine you speak of ever comming. It has been 50 years man and we still don't have it? Also Medicare is not going broke. It currently spends more than it takes in, but seriously dude, do you think that the polititians will ever let Medicare go broke. They would have a riot on their hands. It is a political ploy to get votes. Medicare is not going broke.
Yep, and because they can't let a riot happen, they're just gonna keep spending and keep spending. The result of this and all those other programs: our massive deficit. Huge debt that America is going to take generations to pay off.
Once again, under funded, inefficient, and has all its problems hidden so that Obama can convince the masses that obamacare is a good thing, which will be worse than what Reagan warned.
@gameragodzilla you are really starting to annoy me. I detest debating in the comment section with people who I believe did not watch the video. I have two reasons to think this. One your earlier claim that Reagan was not talking about Medicare. Second your either refusal or inability to answer a basic question. What in the name of Bill Clinton's bent penis did Regan say in his recording that came true. Name it. Tell me what he said and the time in the video that he said it.
He was afraid that Medicare would lead to socialism. While Medicare itself didn't (too small scale), it did become a justification for obamacare. So, his trojen horse arguement is true. Happy? There I've answered tour question for about the 3rd time, this time in plain English for you.
@gameragodzilla We do not have a socialized heatlh plan. We have a health plan run by for profit corporations. A socialist heath care plan would be something like Canada has or the NHS in England. If your are going to call Obamacare socialist then I might as well call you a Socialist. It has about as much effect and credibility.
Private companies still exist in socialism. Hell, it exists in communism as well. The only difference between socialism and capitalism is how much gov't interference is there. Obamacare is socialism, or at least very close to it.
@gameragodzilla *bangs head against the table* It is your opinion that the new healthcare bill is socialism. To those of us who would actually prefer a socialized healthcare plan we disagree with you. We see nothing socialist in this bill at all. Again this isn't about fucking Obamacare. This is about Medicare and whether or not it should have been passed. Reagan was against it and did his best to kill it. I am begging you for anything. Give me somehting he said that came true.
Medicare is connected because it was a justification for obamacare. Socialized medicine is socialism. Gov't taking from the rich to pay the poor health insurance is socialist. Not seeing socialism in obamacare is like not seeing Nazism when you see someone writing 88 while wearing a swastika armband.
Large gov't expansion, more nationalization, and spending increasing dramatically are all part of socialism, and part of obamacare (which I have already connected Medicare to). Fact is, you guys just can't stand being proved wrong, which is why you continue to say the same things over and over again, forcing me to say the same thins over and over again. I have proven that some of reagan's statements were true. You ignored them.
@gameragodzilla Yes I am ignoring them you fuck face because you never watched the fuciing vidoe and because you are to lazy to watch a video I will summerize it for you. We no not have any govenrment agency telling doctors where to practice medicine we do not have any govenment agancy telling anyone where to live. You are a fucing waste of my time. If you don't want to watch a video don't bother commenting. I just spent the last hour debating someone who never watched a video. Not anymore
@HappyCabbie What do you call a program that gives people medical care from money taken from others by the government? Whether you wish to admit it or not, medicare/medicaid, and the "Health Care Reform Act" is socialized medicine. Even the government calls these programs "social programs". Piece by piece, over time. This is exactly what Reagan described.
I think if you make a hundred predictions, then you have to hit on at least one. This was the call after Social Security was passed, after Medicare was passed, and now Healthcare Reform. The bill isn't great but it's a start and can be changed. I just hope it happens before the death panels take me :)
ronnie on socialized medicine (& coffee (remade tea baggers):
rrring rrrring...hellow sylvia browne? what should i say about this stuff? i mean i was a union head for motion pics..i see lotsa folks who need med care sylvia, what can i do?? uh yea? uh yea? uh oh really? you foresee i will be president one day if i ignore the needs of the people?? awsome sylvia--thanks!
Jan Brewer is our current governer and she was the Secretary of State and was next in line after Napalitono was appointed to Homeland Security. We have no Leutenant Governer. On a side note Reagan's past with Medicare was an issue in the 1980's election but the Carter administration had trouble finding a copy of this. By the time they found one, the polls were all in Reagans favor. All in all I think Reagan was a good president.
Good point. For the most part I love Reagan. He was very intelligent but I think we can all say he was wrong about Medicare. His fears never came true.
HappyCabbie, spend more time looking for a job and less time contradicting geniuses that you will never understand. If you think medicare is the answer then talk to someone who is part of it.
i wonder how much socialized medicine will cost tax payers.
1/4 of the US population (baby boomers) is goin to be hittin retirement in 10 years thier SS and medicare is goin to bust the US budget. which is already strained.
there's not goin to be any money left over for soc. medicine for the younger generations. unless u raise income taxes to an ungodly level.....or cut out medical care for those over 65.
or make the top 5% of the richest people pay for it. :D
not to mention that after a certain age they wont have to pay income taxes anymore even if they are still workin past retirement. so no revenue from them.
I can't comprehend why when Americans are given a chance at a health care system similar to Canada's they turn it down. I'm all for capitalism, but people should learn the meaning of the word socialist before throwing it around. Half of the people in the US i have met associate it with fear and suppression, what kind of nonsense is this?
People hear on Fox News, which is the most viewed news network in the US that people in England and Canada are on huge waiting lists just to see a doctor. Now all one has to do is talk to someone in those countries and learn this is not the case. However most people trust the news. It is easier to scare someone than it is to calm them down.
Ok i live in Canada I can tell you every time I have been to the hospital it is not as bad as they make it. This is ridiculous. For those complaining about cost too, put it into perspective. Either way you are going to pay for health care, at least if it is in increased taxes (like Canada) it wont be as huge a strain when the time comes to need health care (plus Americans have low tax as it is, we pay 13% on everything in Ontario) 4k over your lifetime or one lump sum when you could be broke....
"Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned".
This was a headline from a British newspaper,the Telegraph, back in Sept. of this yr. My big fear, being a Baby Boomer, is that with the passage of a Nationalized health care system here, that tbe Boomers will be 'helped along' to an early demise to cut the costs..even if there may be a glimmer of hope for a cure to whatever their illness is....
Some rather weird comments here. Our gov't doesn't have any law that forces people to retire. Robert replied to me that gov't must'n't provide any healthcare options... and yet I'm betting if Robert can't get health ins in his retirement years, you BET he will turn to the Medicare option... which is a gov't option.
Good point. The fact is Reagan was saying we should not have a Medicare. However the proposal he was backing was passed in 1960 but as of 1963 18 states had not adopted the program because they did not want to match the federal funds. Thus the poor that the program was intended to help never got it, until the law was replaced with the current Medicaid program. Medical bills increase with age, so even the rich will need Medicare eventually
You see, Lorele, tu no sabes nada de mi. I've got my "healthcare option" and retirement years very well fixed in place. I have plenty of physical assets to keep me going for several decades - in a third-world country, and considering I'm still some 20 years from retirement, I've got plenty of time to save even more.
People who are counting on SSI/Med are planning for failure. My plan is to succeed ... succeed in abundance.
so what your saying is that doctors don't have rights??? health care like anything else is a priveledge. the only rights you have are to life liberty and property.
I don't want to be the asshole here, but healthcare isn't a right. You can't force people to pay for your healthcare. You can give all that society benefits as a whole thing to rationalize it(I did the same when i supported it). It doesn't change the fact that we don't owe you healthcare, It's not in the constitution that i must pay for others sick people. If you want to amenended it so it does that a different debate. Yeah I know I am the mean libertarian But my facts stand as true.
skeptictom818 6 months ago
@skeptictom818 What do you plan on doing if you develop Cancer, Lupus, or some other disease that requires costly long term care?
HappyCabbie 6 months ago
@HappyCabbie It's not like I am for the status quo. But socialized medicine isn't the answer. We need a free market healthcare system. Are healthcare is probably the best in the world it's just to expensive, so most people can't afford it, when we allow competition that keeps prices down and people with Cancer or Lupus can afford treatments.
skeptictom818 5 months ago
@skeptictom818 what about the homeless or unemployed? How do they pay for their treatment?
HappyCabbie 5 months ago
Ronald Reagan was seldom wrong, but on this occasion he was. Every country needs some level of socialized medicine. The NHS here in England ensures that every one has free medicare should they need it. However, like all socialist ideals, it is open to abuse. It''s no good saving someone's life if they're then going to starve to death in order to pay the bill. Keep state medicine corruption free and free from abuse then it's the only socialist ideal that would and could work.
holydiver73 7 months ago
@holydiver73 well said
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@holydiver73
Reagan didn't say this would stem from just medicare, at the "bullshit detector" part he was talking about a federal program for everyone, not just medicare. And the bill he was talking about at the start, was not the same bill that medicare currently is. It included a few more people than just the elderly (go back and listen).
And it is not a right to have healthcare. If you believe in this principle, then you must agree with FDR's 2nd bill of rights.Youtube FDR 2ndBillRight
Kylehintz87 6 months ago
@holydiver73 your ignorance is epic. You lack anything resembling an understanding of the political implications of ObamaCare. The left has strived for this control for a century. They deem the capturing of control over this bastion of freedom as the ultimate conquest. Once the government controls your healthcare, personal liberty is diminished. It changes the relationship with the Government from citizens to subject
poldiddy 2 months ago
@holydiver73 . Yet discussing this is unnecessary, for by every metric ObamaCare is a disaster, just as we knew it would be given Government run healthcare is in numerous countries around the world. In a nutshell, Obama Lied and fools like you fell for it.
poldiddy 2 months ago
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holydiver73 7 months ago
Reagan's principles are all completely valid. You are the kind of "do-gooder" that he was warning is a threat to what makes our country and its freedom so special and rare. Universal Health Care takes away the sanctity of the doctor-patient relationship. It also has to be funded via coercion and upheld under monopolistic constraints. Both of these energies are an unhealthy foundation. Do a study of how many church-ran hospitals have been forced to shut-down resulting in less care for the needy.
77toolism 7 months ago
@77toolism So because Medicare passed we no longer have doctor patient relationships?
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@HappyCabbie ObamaCare is inferior care for more money than the status-quo-and you are ok with the Government usurping our money and forcing their one-size fits all healthcare system down the throats of our citizenry. Thanks God, you idiot idea is impossible-for if the mandate is rightfully ruled unconstitutional, ObamaCare is over. It is unsustainable without the mandate, per Obama and his minions
poldiddy 2 months ago
@PatriciaCookFind1 I will inform dprjones, coughlan616, dlandoncole, latumway, pamew, that they are no longer my friends.
Good riddence to dlandoncole anyways. I never liked that scruffy beard of his.
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@PatriciaCookFind1
Ok well my buddies in the UK are in bed right now as it is 5am where they are but they will have a chuckle at your comment.
Bye for now, I will let them respond to you in a few hours
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@PatriciaCookFind1 Let me tell you how much it costs to have dialysis here in Phoenix. $3,000 per session. People often have 2 or 3 sessions per week. That is just dialysis. Organ transplants such as liver can be over $100,000.
Sorry but when it comes to healthcare of our seniors we don't put a price tag and chose who lives and who dies based on how much money they have in the bank. We do that for the young people.
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@PatriciaCookFind1 Oops my mistake, I meant to say Medicare. I am actually having mulitple conversations at the same time.
So again, this is why I support Medicare, because it shields seniors from bearing the full cost of their end of life care. It is not the best program but it covers everyone.
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@PatriciaCookFind1 So what do people who are not millionaries supposed to do when they have a disease that requires long term care such as cancer, aids, and ect?
This is why social security was set up, to protect our seniors from losing their life savings so they can pass it on to their children, or give it to charity.
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@PatriciaCookFind1 I will.
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@PatriciaCookFind1 So you would support not covering 100 percent of senior citizens and allowing them to lose their life savings due to medical bills?
I will make it a Priority of mine that Wisconsin does not re-elect such a heartless person in 2012
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
@PatriciaCookFind1 Don't worry, I already have a terminal disease so I won't be around for that long
HappyCabbie 7 months ago
Reagan was forced to go and work in Los Angeles if he wanted to be an actor. ZOMG it's a total dictatorship!
N330AA 7 months ago
i doubt Americans will ever had universal healthcare, americans hate high taxes, shame too because it does have it's problems in Britain but it works well.
JoshMufc101 8 months ago in playlist Healthcare Reform Vlogs
@JoshMufc101 It does not work well you should do your research alot of facts out there and truth that it works but horribley
AffinityDeluxe 8 months ago in playlist Healthcare Reform Vlogs
@AffinityDeluxe
you're american, and you're telling me how well the UK healthcare system is? stfu. you don't know shit. My granddad has cancer and guess how much it's cost us? 0. he got diagnosed and got drugs within about 3weeks. for nothing besides the taxes the entire country pays anyway. why do you think every single 1st world nation has some sort of free healthcare? if they all work "horribley"
JoshMufc101 8 months ago
@JoshMufc101 I spent 2 years in Germany and can tell you I don't want to live under their healthcare system. Virtually all countries with a national system has a big problem providing service in a timely manor to it citizens as you must be aware. In this country there are millions on welfare and medical assistance. I don't need it and resent having the government tell me I MUST conform to a lower standard.
AffinityDeluxe 8 months ago
@JoshMufc101 You may just think cause ur grandad was lucky enough to get in, that its like that for everyone else its not. Canada for example.. I have met many different people who have told me plenty of things about the socialized health care system they have people are dieng, because they are put on long waiting lists. Have u done any research Cuba right now is trying to get rid of its Socialize health care it is a burden to them and there country and trying to break free from it
AffinityDeluxe 8 months ago
@AffinityDeluxe
the fact you can't spell dying leads me to believe you have no idea what your talking about. Cuba isn't a 1st world country, of course poorer countries aren't going to have the same level of care, ask Canadians, the overwhelming majority would prefer their healthcare to America's. in my country anyway, serious disease's are always treated first, i can't speak for Canada but i'd think it isn't too different over there.
JoshMufc101 8 months ago
@JoshMufc101
The "long lines" excuse is the last one they can grab onto since everything else has been long refuted & they're aware that it's impossible to refute an anecdotal "I was in Canada and SAW WITH MY OWN EYES how sick people have to wait for eons!". I'd have more respect for the detractors if they just came out & admitted that they don't give 2 shits whether a uni system reduces far more suffering, they'll continue opposing it simply because it doesn't sit well with them ideologically
AntiBullshitMan 8 months ago in playlist Healthcare Reform Vlogs
What is this bullshit?
blackdragoness21 9 months ago
@blackdragoness21 This was Ronald Reagan before he entered into politics. He was trying to lobby congress to not pass Medicare.
HappyCabbie 9 months ago
@HappyCabbie Actually, he wasn't trying to oppose Medicare on the grounds that it'll tell doctors what they can learn and what they can practice/where they can live. He said that the bill will make it easier for the American people to accept that form of action if the government felt that it was "needed".
AdonTimasu 9 months ago
Reagan was a traitor. When he was called on it he "courageously" pretended to have forgotten about it. He did more to erode the civil liberties of Americans than any other president. Whether there is a heaven or a hell is up to subjective conjecture. But if there is a hell Reagan is there servicing his master in a most humiliating way just as he did on earth.
perdondaris 10 months ago
MOVE OUT ASSHOLE
Surfinstro 10 months ago
@Surfinstro well said.
HappyCabbie 10 months ago
IDIOT
Surfinstro 10 months ago
@Surfinstro Can you back up your position with facts?
HappyCabbie 10 months ago
As a Canadian American i agree with Ronald Reagan.
JBBlitz 11 months ago
@JBBlitz You are actually an American
HappyCabbie 11 months ago
@HappyCabbie well i have experienced both healthcare systems and like the American one better.
JBBlitz 11 months ago
@JBBlitz All I am saying is that you live in the US not canada
HappyCabbie 11 months ago
@HappyCabbie yeah i want to keep it the USA, not turn into Canada or Europe including healthcare.
JBBlitz 11 months ago
@JBBlitz That makes no sense and just seems like petty individualism.
"I don't care about improving this country if we have to adopt a succesful program from another country! I'm 'merkin god damnit!, that ain't the 'merikin way!"
Look, Universal Healthcare has worked in every first world nation to the point where America is the only first world nation not to have it. It works. France has far better healthcare than the U.S and they spend half as much money per capita on it.
OatSharpener 9 months ago
I'm curious as to how you can say the man is wrong here. he was not speaking of medicare but rather what it leads to. if you're speaking of national health care wich passed nov 2009 but will not take effect until 2013. give it time dictatorships rise quickly and without warning. Hitler took power in less than 10 years. o and he hid behind stoical health care too.
JackReace360 11 months ago
@JackReace360 You need to find a way to convince President Reagan that he was not speaking about Medicare. The sole purpose of this recording was to fuel a grass roots effort to stop the Medicare bill from passing.
HappyCabbie 11 months ago
@HappyCabbie well that would be hard because the man is dead. second it was to stop medicare because it leads to social health care. hmmm what was passed but was just deemed unconstitutional? right.....
JackReace360 11 months ago
@JackReace360 socialized medicine was not ruled unconstitutional. Obamacare was, and it was a poorly written bill. All it did was place a bandaid over the problem. As long as it remains cheaper and cost effective to let sick people die we will have health care problems.
Universal Healthcare, true socialized medicine, is what I support
HappyCabbie 11 months ago
@HappyCabbie so aperntly you dont wach the news eather. a fedral judge ruled eather last week or the week before that obama care was un constutinal on the grounds that
quote" Congress has no authority to force Americans to buy a particular product such as health insurance."
these websites have articles abought if you want to read it.
washingtontimes
ocregister
sfexaminer "sf= San Francisco"
and no i didn't get this from fox news I can look up facts for myself
JackReace360 11 months ago
@JackReace360 which is why I have videos such as Obamacare Declared Unconstitutional uploaded to my channel
HappyCabbie 11 months ago
@JackReace360 You are correct but, those that want socialized medicine want a statist dictatorship too. So, triing to show them the truth is like talking to a wall.
SpankyFC 11 months ago
Ummmmmmm, Cuba, North Korea, ect put limits to where there citizens can live and work......shave that beard weirdo!
countylineten 1 year ago
@countylineten Those are dictatorships in case you haven't noticed
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie
so there is a Communist country that isn't a dictatorship?
JackReace360 11 months ago
The maker of this video is an idiot. He must've liked what happend to most of Europe during the late 1800's to the early 1900's.
SpankyFC 1 year ago
@SpankyFC I disagree. I think President Reagan was one of our nation's greatest leaders. He built up the military, helped us win the cold war. He made some mistakes but he got a lot of things right.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but it was not Reagan who was flat-out wrong. Reagan was speaking in 1961, four years before Medicare was passed. So, he's not talking about it. He was talking about a hypothetical. You talk about the fact that we haven't moved to socialized medicine yet, but look at the new health care bill and the recent ruling by a federal judge in VA that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. Only time will tell how the new law(s) will affect our country.
z4nizzle 1 year ago
@z4nizzle Either your trying to convince everyone that history didn't happen or you've simply not done your homework.
Have a gander at this: news.google.com/newspapers?id=CWgzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pzIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,1255209&dq=ronald-reagan+medicare&hl=en
Let me know if you want more. I have plenty to go around and the rest of the year off so I can slap down any lame argument you dare try to throw up on this subject.
andreo 1 year ago
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z4nizzle 1 year ago
@andreo
Making statements like, "You've simply not done your homework." and "[You're] trying to convince everyone that history didn't happen" are feeble attempts at propping yourself up on an intellectual high-horse and have no qualitative merit in a debate. They are also uncivil and only detract from intelligent discourse.
I would appreciate you posting that link again. It didn't work.
z4nizzle 1 year ago
@z4nizzle Not sure what happened to that link. Here you go:
news.google.com/newspapers?id=CWgzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pzIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,1255209&dq=ronald-reagan+medicare&hl=en
Reagan was a shill for the AMA. The only reason the Medicare amendments were added to Social Security act in 1965 was after the AMA had a say in the bill. The nonsense that Reagan rambled on about in the recording is the same rambling that you hear today and heard decades before the recording was made.
andreo 1 year ago
@andreo I was just looking at your post and noticed you left a link to the subject you were addressing. How did you manage to do it. Every time I have tried to post a link URL U-tube denies my post. I can understand they don't want spamers but even a link already posted on TUBE is denied. How do you manage it?
johnnyohness 1 year ago
@z4nizzle this recording was made by Reagan as part of Operation CoffeeCup, to encourage a grass roots campaign to stop Medicare.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie
And he was still right about it spiraling. We've seen two enormous increases in the government's influence in health care in the past seven years: Medicare Part D in 2003 and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act & Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010. Obviously, the slippery slope argument has merit here. Medicare has also become an enormous expenditure, comparable to national defense. We simply can't afford it anymore, at least in its current form.
z4nizzle 1 year ago
@z4nizzle of course we can. It is paid for by taxes. Every couple of years the guys in DC run about yelling that Medicare is going broke. It isn't. They have been using that line longer than I have been alive. Now does the government spend a lot of money, yes. However the government also takes in a lot of money. Medicare is safe.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
I hate it when someone tries to use fear or the "slippery slope" argument to get their point across. But some people have no shame. I wonder if Reagan really believed this BS or if he was just doing some favors for people.
andreo 1 year ago
@andreo
The real question is: Do you really believe the BS that you're spitting out?
z4nizzle 1 year ago
@z4nizzle I wouldn't say it if I didn't believe it.
But I will say to you what I would say to anyone that accuses me of BS. Prove me wrong :)
andreo 1 year ago
@z4nizzle Oh, and while your at it. Show where Reagan was right for the rest of the viewing public. :)
andreo 1 year ago
i find it funny when Americans say that they're health care system is the best in the world when the world health organizations ranks them 37th.
DVAFP 1 year ago
doesnt the notion of privatized health care defeat the principals of democracy the US stands for so much? Shouldnt it be the government, which people elect, that should provide health care? Giving it to private corporations that are more interested in profits than in people, who they are not accountable to, to me seems more undemocratic. In my country we elect the government which serves us and we expect from it, among other things, a good health care system.
DVAFP 1 year ago
@DVAFP
You obviously don't mind being completely indebted to another entity. That's exactly what has happened because of all the liberalized programs that have been put in place in the last century. I hope you don't live in one of those European countries that are going to have to be bailed out by the IMF.
z4nizzle 1 year ago
lol well we have it now seams he was right.get ready to pay and pay
srayoz 1 year ago
@srayoz what do you think Ronald Reagan was right about?
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
I love how the right wing talks about "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE" as if it were tantamount to sending people to gulags.
No wonder Europeans think we're stupid.... we are.
SiriusMined 1 year ago
@SiriusMined #LOL yep sometimes we can be.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
I wouldn't call Ronald Reagan wrong in this yet. He was speaking of the dangers of socialized medicine. He may have been speaking of medicare at the time, but he was also warning of where medicare would lead. To a national health care program. Since we haven't seen the results of a national health care system in the US we can't say whether or not he was wrong or right. If Obama care continues for 30 years we will have an answer then. It is to early to tell.
therealhoogie 1 year ago
@therealhoogie well it has been a generation since this was made and none of his predictions about medicare have come true. Despite how much you would like to disagree with me, Ronald Reagan made this recording in an attempt to defeat Medicare.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie
Maybe I give Reagan to much credit, but it does seem like he was talking about a very long term result to me. I see his fight against medicare as a fight to prevent national health care. Medicare isn't true socialism, as it does not cover the majority of the population I could be wrong and you could be right. Unfortunately no one can ask him. Unless someone knows a good clairvoyant?
therealhoogie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie Maybe I give Reagan to much credit, but it does seem like he was talking about a very long term result to me. I see his fight against medicare as a fight to prevent national health care. Medicare isn't true socialism, as it does not cover the majority of the population I could be wrong and you could be right. Unfortunately no one can ask him. Unless someone knows a good clairvoyant?
therealhoogie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie Maybe I give Reagan to much credit, but it does seem like he was talking about a very long term result to me. I see his fight against medicare as a fight to prevent national health care. Medicare isn't true socialism, as it does not cover the majority of the population I could be wrong and you could be right. Unfortunately no one can ask him. Unless someone knows a good clairvoyant?
therealhoogie 1 year ago
@therealhoogie well we will give it another 30 years I guess and have this discussion again
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie the video is about "socialized medicine". It was made in 1961. Medicare became law in July 1965. Where are your citations?? You claim to admire Reagan yet you disagree with him on his core beliefs. You are a little marxist wannabe whose greatest claim to fame is that he posted a video on youtube.
nobodyhomehere1502 1 year ago
@nobodyhomehere1502 Google operation teacup some time. This is a record that Ronald Reagan made and was circulated around via homes at coffee meetings. This recording was about Medicare did you not listen to the recording?
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie You post lies. This was 1961. I have heard the this many times. You post like this was some underground clandestine recording. Frigging a-hole You are a total douchebag that needs to leave Grandma's basement and get a job. Your liberal followers may think you are intelligent but then again they are liberal so what do they know?
nobodyhomehere1502 1 year ago
@nobodyhomehere1502 posting lies? You are the one who denied this was about Medicare. Furthermore look up some history on the Reagan Carter Presidential Race. The Carter Administration were trying to find this copy but the Reagans had it burried. It is only with the advent of the internet that this recording has brought about new life.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
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nobodyhomehere1502 1 year ago
@nobodyhomehere1502 This was Ronald Reagan who was President of the United States from 1980 to 1988. In my opinion one of our greatest. He was just wrong about Medicare
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie President Reagan Isn't the idiot mon ami, you are. Obamacare is a pipe dream. In theory it doesn't work. European nations are either rethinking or systematically undoing state run healthcare because theyhave finally realized it is unsustainable. There are other options. Government is NEVER the answer.
nobodyhomehere1502 1 year ago
@nobodyhomehere1502 sure name one European nation that is undoing their government run health care and implementing our system
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie You are a moron.
nobodyhomehere1502 1 year ago
It's a little pretentious for you to assume that we agree that Reagan was wrong? Please enlighten me where he was wrong? We are in a state of socialism. Taking money from one person to redistribute to another...no matter the form, is in itself socialism. It has grown every year since it's inception...welfare, medicare, medicaid, section 8, unemployment. Of course it is going to grow. Without the motivation of HAVING to provide for themselves, people will let someone else worry about it.
HatrXx78 1 year ago
@HatrXx78 ok, well do we have doctors being told what kind of medicine they can practice or where they can live?
Sorry but none of his fears about Medicare ever came true.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
So You're a COMMUNIST too?
cdcfree 1 year ago
@cdcfree no, I primarily believe in Capitalism but I am socialist in some of my views
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
Pres. Obama has stated himself in speeches or in interviews that Doctors may be moved to suit the needs of the population.
Beesh03 1 year ago
@Beesh03 citation needed
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie when I have time to do that research, I will be glad to add it. For now, I'll stand by my word that I personally heard the President say this in an interview. Thanks for responding. Always open to discussion!
Beesh03 1 year ago
@Beesh03 Well just to let you know Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announce that they are going to be working with Google to trace the IP addresses of every person on the internet including YouTube. Starting next month our names and addresses will appear under every comment we post in a video.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie OK What's that got to do with anything?
Beesh03 1 year ago
@Beesh03 well you were supposed to ask me where I heard that, and then I was going to respond with "when I have time to do that research, I will be glad to add it. For now I'll stand by my word that I personally heard the President say this in an interview."
The point was, hearsay evidence is not evidence I can trust. Have your sources ready when someone asks you for proof. Or else post your source in the comment to begin with.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie hahahahaha dude you're an ass. You're not running a legit news group here. I posted it! If you don't like that I didn't back it up with hard evidence you have the right to censor me by removing my posts. Your call!
Beesh03 1 year ago
@Beesh03 no I am not wanting to remove your comments, I am wanting you to black up your claim that Obama is going to be relocating doctors.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
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Beesh03 1 year ago
Medicare is broke assholes!!!!.
dquay11 1 year ago
The recording that HappyCabbie is discussing within his YouTube video was produced and distributed by the American Medical Association (I believe that Michael Moore featured this recording with his documentary movie "SICKO").
Great video, HC!
wataugariver 1 year ago
@wataugariver Yes it was the same one played in Sicko. To learn more about this google Operation Coffecup
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
intellectual british hip-hop artist Dan Bull's song America about the US health care its on youtube legally as are all of his songs
last word-i'm british-R.E.S.P.E.C.T party and proud, i love the NHS, but the new PM david Cameron is practically privatising it now, help us stop it
hisroyalstigness 1 year ago
@hisroyalstigness I wish you luck over there
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie thanks i'll need it
hisroyalstigness 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie thanks the only real problem with the nhs is that the primary care trusts are being closed down so the nhs is no longer accountable to the masses and the car parking can be expensive-£8 some times
hisroyalstigness 1 year ago
Poor guy - clearly misguided.
ladyyymadonna 1 year ago
@ladyyymadonna I agree, I think Reagan was right on many things but when it came to Medicare he was clearly wrong.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
Wow...your insight is amazing...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I feel dumber just from listening to you!
Peepeedoo 1 year ago
Wow...your insight is amazing...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I feel dumber just from listening to you!
Peepeedoo 1 year ago
Wow...your insight is amazing...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I feel dumber just from listening to you!
Peepeedoo 1 year ago
Reagan was right on the money. His words were prophetic.
LanceBeckman 1 year ago
@LanceBeckman Can you point to one prediction he said about Medicare that came true?
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
medicare is not widescale enough to be considered true socialized medicine. it only covers a certain amount of people, with many limitations.
and even then, the funds are drying up. as with medicaid, and social security, and hell, pretty much every damn gov't program out there, leading to us borrowing more money from china.
that good enough?
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla assuming your comment was a reply to my statement no it is not good enough. The point of this video was to illustrate that the great Ronald Regan was completely wrong about Medicare. Can you point to ANY prediction he made in this recording that came true?
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
Okay, Reagan said that socialized medicine (which I have explained how medicare is not it), will eventually lead to socialism. He was not referring to Medicare, which has limited restrictions and does not qualify as true socialized medicine (the republicans blocking the various bills doing so is one factor). His prediction on real socialized medicine rings true right now via obamacare. We are headed down that path right now, and if he's still in office, we'll be even further along that road.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla the fact that you just said "He was not referring to Medicare" tells me that you did not even listen to this video. This was a recording that he made when Medicare was being proposed in Congress. People invited their neighbors over to listen to this record. It was called Operation Coffecup. It was also an issue in Regan vs Carter in 1980. Only Regan had the thing burried. When Carter found it it was too late. This video is about Medicare. Watch it the video please.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
I did watch it, and he was referring to socialized medicine. What he said about Medicare led to several changes. Changes pushed through by republicans. It's because of his party that all the really bad things he said was wrong.
And once again, you have yet to address the fact that Medicare is running low on funds.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
Hell, all you guys said was that physicians could choose what they do. Doesn't explain
the lack of funding, nor the fact that we are in the process of getting socialism. MOST of his words were true. Were some false? Yep. Most were true, and that is proven by the massive downhill flight Medicare is in.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla Ok, we do not have any govenrment agency telling doctors where they can practice medicine or what field of medicine they can go in. Ronald Reagan did not want Medicare. He wanted nothing to do with it. While I admire the man on a great number of things, he was flat out wrong on this issue. Name one thing. That is all you have to do. Name one thing that he said would happen that came true. Medicare is part of our budget which is simply in a deficit. Nothing more.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
Yeah, and the deficit us way outta hand. True, when specifically talking about Medicare, he was wrong on some points (and you have completely ignored the fact that the funds are drying up and the fact that we're headed for socialism, which are the things I'm naming).
Just a deficit? If we keep this deficit up, we'll go bankrupt. That, or this country's gonna be taking several generations to pay this off. His words on general socialized medicine were right 100%.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
Medicare is under-funded (even though we spent enough money), horribly inefficient, and makes people feel they're entitled to health insurance and not work as much. AKA socialism, which destroys wealth, promoted inefficiency, and makes not working more attractive than working. Reagan's fear was socialism. Judging by how America is right now, i'd say he's correct.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla First you claim that Reagan was not talking about Medicare. I laughed and we moved on. I then tried my best to beg and plead for one example of something that he said in this recording that ever came true. I have not gotten anything other than your claim that we are heading towards socialism and that you believe that Medicare is going broke. It is not. They talked about Medicare going broke in the 80's it is a campaign tactic meant to scare people into voting.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
I shall admit that I totally misunderstood his statement. My bad. Reagan said that Medicare would bring in socialized medicine. It is true. Liberals are all talking about how Medicare is awesome (despite the lack of funding that you are blind to. Hell, even democrats in office agree that Medicare is headed toward financial instability), and that obamacare is going to be like that. Socialism is coming. And medicare was part of it. Once again, Reagan was right.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla just curious but when is this socialized medicine you speak of ever comming. It has been 50 years man and we still don't have it? Also Medicare is not going broke. It currently spends more than it takes in, but seriously dude, do you think that the polititians will ever let Medicare go broke. They would have a riot on their hands. It is a political ploy to get votes. Medicare is not going broke.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
Yep, and because they can't let a riot happen, they're just gonna keep spending and keep spending. The result of this and all those other programs: our massive deficit. Huge debt that America is going to take generations to pay off.
Once again, under funded, inefficient, and has all its problems hidden so that Obama can convince the masses that obamacare is a good thing, which will be worse than what Reagan warned.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla you are really starting to annoy me. I detest debating in the comment section with people who I believe did not watch the video. I have two reasons to think this. One your earlier claim that Reagan was not talking about Medicare. Second your either refusal or inability to answer a basic question. What in the name of Bill Clinton's bent penis did Regan say in his recording that came true. Name it. Tell me what he said and the time in the video that he said it.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
He said that Medicare would eventually result in socialism. That Is coming true. Medicare was the precursor to obamacare. Obamacare is socialism.
Happy now?
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
He was afraid that Medicare would lead to socialism. While Medicare itself didn't (too small scale), it did become a justification for obamacare. So, his trojen horse arguement is true. Happy? There I've answered tour question for about the 3rd time, this time in plain English for you.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla We do not have a socialized heatlh plan. We have a health plan run by for profit corporations. A socialist heath care plan would be something like Canada has or the NHS in England. If your are going to call Obamacare socialist then I might as well call you a Socialist. It has about as much effect and credibility.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
Big spending, nationalization of healthcare industry, "expanding" coverage through gov't intrusion... Sounds like socialism to me.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
Private companies still exist in socialism. Hell, it exists in communism as well. The only difference between socialism and capitalism is how much gov't interference is there. Obamacare is socialism, or at least very close to it.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla *bangs head against the table* It is your opinion that the new healthcare bill is socialism. To those of us who would actually prefer a socialized healthcare plan we disagree with you. We see nothing socialist in this bill at all. Again this isn't about fucking Obamacare. This is about Medicare and whether or not it should have been passed. Reagan was against it and did his best to kill it. I am begging you for anything. Give me somehting he said that came true.
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
Medicare is connected because it was a justification for obamacare. Socialized medicine is socialism. Gov't taking from the rich to pay the poor health insurance is socialist. Not seeing socialism in obamacare is like not seeing Nazism when you see someone writing 88 while wearing a swastika armband.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
Large gov't expansion, more nationalization, and spending increasing dramatically are all part of socialism, and part of obamacare (which I have already connected Medicare to). Fact is, you guys just can't stand being proved wrong, which is why you continue to say the same things over and over again, forcing me to say the same thins over and over again. I have proven that some of reagan's statements were true. You ignored them.
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@gameragodzilla Yes I am ignoring them you fuck face because you never watched the fuciing vidoe and because you are to lazy to watch a video I will summerize it for you. We no not have any govenrment agency telling doctors where to practice medicine we do not have any govenment agancy telling anyone where to live. You are a fucing waste of my time. If you don't want to watch a video don't bother commenting. I just spent the last hour debating someone who never watched a video. Not anymore
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
@HappyCabbie What do you call a program that gives people medical care from money taken from others by the government? Whether you wish to admit it or not, medicare/medicaid, and the "Health Care Reform Act" is socialized medicine. Even the government calls these programs "social programs". Piece by piece, over time. This is exactly what Reagan described.
siradon2000 1 year ago
I think if you make a hundred predictions, then you have to hit on at least one. This was the call after Social Security was passed, after Medicare was passed, and now Healthcare Reform. The bill isn't great but it's a start and can be changed. I just hope it happens before the death panels take me :)
mvb0423 1 year ago
ronnie on socialized medicine (& coffee (remade tea baggers):
rrring rrrring...hellow sylvia browne? what should i say about this stuff? i mean i was a union head for motion pics..i see lotsa folks who need med care sylvia, what can i do?? uh yea? uh yea? uh oh really? you foresee i will be president one day if i ignore the needs of the people?? awsome sylvia--thanks!
atheistforchange 1 year ago
Jan Brewer is our current governer and she was the Secretary of State and was next in line after Napalitono was appointed to Homeland Security. We have no Leutenant Governer. On a side note Reagan's past with Medicare was an issue in the 1980's election but the Carter administration had trouble finding a copy of this. By the time they found one, the polls were all in Reagans favor. All in all I think Reagan was a good president.
HappyCabbie 2 years ago
Good point. For the most part I love Reagan. He was very intelligent but I think we can all say he was wrong about Medicare. His fears never came true.
HappyCabbie 2 years ago
HappyCabbie, spend more time looking for a job and less time contradicting geniuses that you will never understand. If you think medicare is the answer then talk to someone who is part of it.
poydrascanal 2 years ago
ok I will lay off of Reagan
HappyCabbie 2 years ago
but yeah reagan was wrong about medicare
cydonianman 2 years ago
i wonder how much socialized medicine will cost tax payers.
1/4 of the US population (baby boomers) is goin to be hittin retirement in 10 years thier SS and medicare is goin to bust the US budget. which is already strained.
there's not goin to be any money left over for soc. medicine for the younger generations. unless u raise income taxes to an ungodly level.....or cut out medical care for those over 65.
or make the top 5% of the richest people pay for it. :D
cydonianman 2 years ago
there's no easy solution. no matter what we do (stay private or go socialized) we are goin to be paying out the ass.
cydonianman 2 years ago
@cydonianman
If there is no annual cap, we could last until about 2040 on one year alone.
imarealgamer 2 years ago
not to mention that after a certain age they wont have to pay income taxes anymore even if they are still workin past retirement. so no revenue from them.
cydonianman 2 years ago
cant remember what age u have to be to no longer pay income taxes...somewhere close to 70 i think
cydonianman 2 years ago
i dont know if they no longer have to pay ss and medicare taxes after certain age. cant remember.
cydonianman 2 years ago
I can't comprehend why when Americans are given a chance at a health care system similar to Canada's they turn it down. I'm all for capitalism, but people should learn the meaning of the word socialist before throwing it around. Half of the people in the US i have met associate it with fear and suppression, what kind of nonsense is this?
Roywood1 2 years ago
It is pretty f***ing stupid when you think about it, isn't it?
TheFortressMaximus 2 years ago
People hear on Fox News, which is the most viewed news network in the US that people in England and Canada are on huge waiting lists just to see a doctor. Now all one has to do is talk to someone in those countries and learn this is not the case. However most people trust the news. It is easier to scare someone than it is to calm them down.
HappyCabbie 2 years ago
Ok i live in Canada I can tell you every time I have been to the hospital it is not as bad as they make it. This is ridiculous. For those complaining about cost too, put it into perspective. Either way you are going to pay for health care, at least if it is in increased taxes (like Canada) it wont be as huge a strain when the time comes to need health care (plus Americans have low tax as it is, we pay 13% on everything in Ontario) 4k over your lifetime or one lump sum when you could be broke....
Roywood1 2 years ago
"Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned".
This was a headline from a British newspaper,the Telegraph, back in Sept. of this yr. My big fear, being a Baby Boomer, is that with the passage of a Nationalized health care system here, that tbe Boomers will be 'helped along' to an early demise to cut the costs..even if there may be a glimmer of hope for a cure to whatever their illness is....
MissPickletoes 2 years ago
Some rather weird comments here. Our gov't doesn't have any law that forces people to retire. Robert replied to me that gov't must'n't provide any healthcare options... and yet I'm betting if Robert can't get health ins in his retirement years, you BET he will turn to the Medicare option... which is a gov't option.
LoreleiMission 2 years ago
Good point. The fact is Reagan was saying we should not have a Medicare. However the proposal he was backing was passed in 1960 but as of 1963 18 states had not adopted the program because they did not want to match the federal funds. Thus the poor that the program was intended to help never got it, until the law was replaced with the current Medicaid program. Medical bills increase with age, so even the rich will need Medicare eventually
HappyCabbie 2 years ago
You see, Lorele, tu no sabes nada de mi. I've got my "healthcare option" and retirement years very well fixed in place. I have plenty of physical assets to keep me going for several decades - in a third-world country, and considering I'm still some 20 years from retirement, I've got plenty of time to save even more.
People who are counting on SSI/Med are planning for failure. My plan is to succeed ... succeed in abundance.
Shalom
Robert697 2 years ago
end of the day a dr is just a job and has their own lifes and should be free to live them as they choose
DemonBiking 2 years ago
mandatory anything suggested by the government is wrong. we are a free and sovereign citizens. choice is most important.
circusboy90210 2 years ago
My question is, do you believe that Reagan was correct and that we should not have a Medicare?
HappyCabbie 2 years ago
I am a Socialist Green Supporter, I believe that health care is right not a privilege.
Jello Biafra 2012!!!!!!!!!
ralasinchains 2 years ago
so what your saying is that doctors don't have rights??? health care like anything else is a priveledge. the only rights you have are to life liberty and property.
circusboy90210 2 years ago
You don't have a right to property?!? Where did you learn that nonsense.
TheFortressMaximus 2 years ago
Gosh i love republicans, im proud to be one :D
quakertownjackass 2 years ago
Really?...
Alterna123 2 years ago
Really....
quakertownjackass 2 years ago
Medicare was one of the best things for Americans. Why must we be 65 in order to get it. Why can't we buy into it early?
Today if Medicare for all is so bad why doesn't the GOP take it away.
This government is so screwed up too many lobbyists,too many bribes and money in Government
So much for WE the people
Let's change the Constitution to say "We the corporations"
Corporations have the same rights as humans then should die with human life expectancy The way the founding fathers wanted it
FlowerClown 2 years ago
man what a speech Ronald Reagan gave, gosh i love that guy.
quakertownjackass 2 years ago