African Ancestry Part 4: Using Your Results

[IslenoGutierrez]

Lol, I am an American, but my family came from Canary Islands which is a group of islands off the coast of Morocco in North Africa. The islands are geographically on the African continent, but politically belong to Spain. So, tell me, would I be considered as African, or not? I don't identify with African American because I'm not Black, but technically I could be one an "African-American" if my family is from North Africa and I'm American. Right?

[lionzion22]

Also, "Black" is a color, not an ethnicity. Once you go beyond that, you will see that "black americans" are mainly (80-100%) a mix of different African ethnicities. The 5 to 15% (on average) that might be native american or european is negligible. It's value is relatively very weak no matter how much you try to blow it up to make yourself feel more secure. It's just people like you who are clueless as to what "black" really is and have no knowledge of Africa.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I read that the average amount of White European ancestry in Black Americans was 18.5%. I read it in a genetic study on African Americans.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Ok, lets just roll with what you say. Understand 18.5% is not a majority or even enough to claim a real "mix". It means 78.5% (on average) is not european.

The "mixing" that should be explored is that of the different African ethnys (78.5%). I don't see why a small amount of euro ancestry (if any) should be of such large interest by people like you. As I said, for most AAs, it would be negligable and of little consequence.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I don't think it's a big deal. Every race has a little something thrown in. Admixture should be expected. I am a Spanish-American, and I am White, but who knows what could be lingering in my background. You never know. We are all somewhat mixed in this world. It's said that 1/3 of White Americans have some Black ancestry. So what, we are all Human. Like one big family.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Regardless of what you want to think or believe, the video is about AFRICAN ancestry.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 The video is only on one type of African ancestry: Black African. I don't see them finding ancestors for Berbers like the Riffian and Kabyle, or other North Africans like the Egyptians, they only do it for Black Africans it looks like to me.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Berbers are black africans. Kabyles are a mix or people from as far back as the Vandals and Romans and white slave trade of North Africa, but still have a lot of African ancestry. Most Egyptians are Cushitic black Africans similar to Somalis and Oromos. Again, the people of the modern Egyptian delta are like the Kabyles, a mix of Mamluk/Turkish/Arab descent.

Also, again, Black americans come from various types of African ancestry, so I dont see your point there.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 Berbers are not Black Africans. My mother's a Berber, she is definitely not Black. All Berbers are Mediterraneans except for the Taureg, who are mixed with Black African, as well as some being culturally Berberized Black Africans. The Egyptians were not Black either, the Coptics are the descendents of the original Egyptians and they are not Black. Your comment seems Afrocentric. Very biased. The DNA of the Kabyle is a North African DNA, not a European one. These DNA tests are biased.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Talk about biased. "Berber" is not an ethnicity. It is a language family related to and derived from the languages of East Africa. That "North African" DNA is also related to and derived from East African blacks like Afars and Bejas. They are the cousins. Of course there are "berbers" who resemble mediterraneans, because those medits were once slaves in North Africa. Look it up.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 North Africans are caucasoids that are indigenous to North Africa. East Africans are mixed with Arab. Black West Africans are different than North Africans. North Africans are Mediterraneans. They may all be related, but are different races. The North African DNA in the modern Egyptian DNA studies were indigenous non-Black North African DNA. Berber may be a group of languages, but are a people also. They all share the typical Berber haplogroup E1b1b1b (M81). Nubians were Black.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Language does not indicate color. M81 is shared among Amazigh speakers, whom vary in color, but is also found as far as Ethiopia and among Beja, who I already told you about. It may have been in East Africa even longer than "North" Africa.

You just speak as an ignorant eurocentric who mostly died back in the 50s. You completely ignore the effect of the white slave trade and presence of Vandals, Greeks, Turks, and Romans, and ignore that blacks were the first there

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 How can I be a Eurocentric when my entire family is from the Canary Islands, which is on the African continent? I'm not Eurocentric or Afrocentric, I'm unbiased. I said that M81 is shared among Berber peoples. It is the common shared haplogroup amongst Berbers. E1b1b1b1 (E-M81) emerged in North Africa 5,600 years ago. Yes there were White slaves in North Africa, but they were not a large impact. The Kabyle and Riffians show to be genetically North African despite their "White" look.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

I'm not going to go in circles here. The Canary Islands are indeed eurocentric being the peoperty of Spain and inhabited by mainly those people and other europeans. Being the eurocentric you are, don't change what you said "berbers" and therefore what M81 is. You tried to make both "caucasoid".

People like you are exactly why black people need to study their history and be aware of their DNA. Like Jazz, it is ripe to be either changed or outright stolen.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 Black Americans seem to suffer from some sort of racial identity crisis trauma in the U.S.. Afrocentrism is largely based in the U.S.. Afrocentrics claim other peoples history and cultures, when they are unrelated descendents of West Africans. I am not Eurocentric, and the Canary Islands is geographically in Africa, as well as the people are largely Berber. M81 is North African, and Berbers are Caucasoid. E haplogroup exists in Arab countries and they are Caucasoid.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

White people seem to suffer from some sort of racial identity crisis trauma mainly in America and Europe. Eurocentrism is largely based in the US/European Eurocentrics claim to other peoples history and cultures, when they are unrelated to descendents of northern/southern europeans. You are a eurocentric, and the Canary Islands is the property of Spain, as well as the people are now largely European (indigenous Guanches no longer exists as a seperate ethnicity).

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 You basically copied what I wrote and swapped the subjects. Lol. Wow. Canary Islanders are 48-73% Guanche Berber, so I don't know what you are getting at. Canarians are the Guanches. I can speak Spanish, English and Berber language (Tamazight). I'm genetically North African, I'm sure you are not. North Africans are mostly Mediterraneans that belong to the Caucasoid race. The ancient Egyptians were North African Mediterraneans of Caucasoid race. Not Negroid, not Mongoloid, Caucasoid!

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Coptics only speak the language related to ancient Egyptians. DNA wise they are closer to Mamluks or other Turkish groups. The closest people related to ancient Egyptians are modern SOUTHERN egyptians like Saaidi and Nubians of Sudan, along with other Cushitic/Afroasiatic peoples from Somalia to Senegal.

These are easy facts you can read for yourself from WHITE researchers. Tell your mother that the proper name to teach you is Imazighn, not "berber".

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 My mother did not teach me the word Berber, I just know that is the name that many call them. I already know the name is Imazighen, also Amazigh. I actually speak a little bit of the language. Also yes, the Mediterranean looking Sa'idi are related to the Ancient Egyptians also. But the Egyptians in Cairo are related as well. I saw a study once, I'll actually look for it to show you. But Africans, whether they be Mediterranean or Black, are all Africans.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Only loons regard Ancient Egyptians as "Mediterraneans" today. Neither Saaidi nor Fellahins look like Medits. Egyptians in Cairo are Turks from the Ottoman Empire. There are also MANY that are a mix of Roman/Greek/Mamluk in Egypt today, which is what Copts are.

You are outdated. Everything you say was debunked 20 years ago. If you have pale skin in North Africa, it is due to your Roman/Greek/Vandal/Otto or Euro slave heritage. That M81 is from your black ancestors.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 "Northern Egyptians are a bit more cosmopolitan in their ancestry 64.8% indigenous North African. About 20% of the chromosomes are near Eastern in origin, and 10.5 % are R chromosomes. However, some of these near eastern and European chromosomes show an ancient entry to Africa (G, K2, R1, R1b are 8,000 BP and older) and any historical contribution from foreign men is more likely to be in the 15% area. Divided by two (no recent female contribution to speak of)." Cruciani et al.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

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[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I told you that I am unbiased. You are showing me biased videos. This guy in the video is only speculating about the ancient Egyptians without showing any scientific facts. This is not credible. I posted credible information from an actual study by Cruciani, on the DNA results from Northern Egyptians stating that they are 64.8% indigenous North African. Southern Egyptians are only a tad bit more, but are largely mixed with Blacks from Sudan, which gives them a "Mulatto" appearance.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Also, for the last time, "indigenous North African ancestry" does not = white. Even ancestral R chromosomes are high in Cameroon, so what should that tell you? That cut and paste does not help your case.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I never said indigenous North African equals White. You seem to be racially traumatized. You only see Black and White, which is typical of both White and Black racists from the U.S.. North African is largely Mediterranean, but Black North Africans do exist. It's not about Black or White. You are making it a racism related issue when it's not. Oh, by the way, R haplogroup emerged in the middle East, and traveled to Cameroon. North African usually equals equals Mediterranean types.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Now you are just ranting like a stoned idiot. You are the one talking about North African and Egyptian "caucasoids" here. YOU are the one with the idiotic speak of "black West Africans" here. Dont back down now and accuse me of being Afrocentric. I am the one who properly stated that "Berber" cannot be "caucasoid" as YOU said because many are kel tamasheq, not just "caucasoids".

That "afrocentric" crutch stupidity you force on me is meaningless.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I am speaking of West Africans because Black Americans descend from West Africans and are unrelated to Egyptians and East Africans. Your people can't take credit for anyone's civilizations except for West Africa and that is all. Not North Africa, not East Africa. You are hell bent on proving Egyptians were Black. Also, you don't think Berbers can be Caucasoid? They are not Negroid or Mongoloid, surely they are Caucasoid. I'm not backing down, actually I was unaware it's a fight.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Who is trying to claim anything here you stupid fuck? How am I trying to "take credit" for Egypt you stupid fuck? I have nothing to do with Zulus but I won't hesitate to tell you they are black. I have nothing to do with Borana but I won't hesitate to tell you they are black. Ancient Egyptians and Amazigh are no different. Black Americans also have ancestry to Kel Tamasheq and Moors and other blacks of North and East Africa.

Stop projecting your stupidity on me.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 You mad? Lol. Moors were Berbers. What do you gain by proving a group of people are black? Self satisfaction? Getting back at the White man? Lol. I think we are done here, you have resulted to insults and swearing. You have crossed the line.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Moors

watch?v=sm9NBbgN8VU

watch?v=Y9XRSBQimQs

I gain nothing but to spread the truth in the face of ignorant stupidity. Must I remind you that you came to a video about AFRICAN ancestry. You will not find me on a "Mediterranean" or "Caucasoid" video. I didn't come looking for the likes of you because no, I've got nothing to prove. You came here obviously with something "to prove". Who do YOU have to get back at is the question.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I came looking for African ancestry, as I have some, but my African ancestry is North African Mediterranean, not Black, but apparently this company who does testing does not cater to Mediterranean North Africans, or it at least appears to be so. I'm not going to argue about anymore topics with you. The Moors were Berbers, but again, it will be me putting up credible proof against your youtube videos that show no scientific proof. By the way, I'm far from stupid.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

This company test for African ancestry. Why you beleive they will not test for North African ancestry, when African Americans have ancestry to North Africa, only proves your bias before you even came here. Also, you cut and paste part of a study from Fulvio Cruciani (an Italian) whom I am familiar with. you distorted something about ancient DNA by trying to confuse it with modern race and terms like "caucasoid", which is idiotic. You do not understand it.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I tell you what, you post the segment that I supposedly distorted. I'll post it how it is exactly from the study. I didn't come here biased. I only see Blacks in the videos. So far, I can only base things on what I see for now. I would have to contact the company and see if they are able to do ancestry on Berbers. Most African Americans do not have ancestry to North Africa, so their databases may be limited when concerning North Africa. I don't know.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Lastly, you seem to be higly confused as to who you are. First you say the Canary Islands are of Spain and your parents are Spanish. " I am Spanish-American, my parents are Spaniards from the Canary Islands of Spain. I am of Spanish blood".

Then, trying to call me an Afrocentric, you turn around and say the Canary Islands are of North Africa and your parents are "Berbers", all while claiming to be a mediterranean.

No self respecting "Berber" makes these claims. LOL

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I am not a liar, therefore, I will tell you the truth. I am part Spanish and part Berber. That is the facts. I am both. I have the DNA of both Europe and Africa. I am not confused. I am not a full Berber, nor am I a full Spaniard. I am somewhere in the middle. But that does not discredit me from being Berber or Spanish.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

You say the Canary Islands are of Spain to one person. Then you tell me it's just North Africa. Spain is not North Africa. It can't be both. Which is it? You say your parents are Spaniards, now you say you are part "Berber" and part Spanish. If your parents are Spaniards, then you cannot be "Berber".

You are either confused or a liar trrying to play both sides of the fence when it suits you.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 What part of this debate is over you don't understand. We are butting heads too much. It's not progressive. Also, if you must know. I am Spanish, but I am Berber at the same time. I am part Spanish, part Berber like all Canary Islanders. The Canary Islands is politically part of Spain, but geographically part of North Africa. We have both Spanish and Berber ancestries. So yes, my parents are Spanish, and yes, my parents are Berber. So there you have it. I am Spanish and Berber mixed.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Yet you call me an "afrocentric" when I said the Canary islands are the property of Spain, but you tell someone else simply your parents are "Spaniards" , and the Canary Islands are of Spain when it suits you. Confused Europhile.

Just as I said, you are european. You prove my point that Guanches no longer exist as a seperate ethnicity anymore. No "Berber" on the mainland will speak like you do, nor call themself a "berber" or Spaniard either. Remember that.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 You don't live in the Canary Islands, nor North Africa. You don't know what the people do. I am genetically Berber as well as genetically Spanish. I can speak Spanish, English and Tamazight. For your information Tamazight is being taught in schools in the Canary Islands to revive the language. You don't know what you are talking about. Canary Islanders are Berber and Spanish. You can be both you know. I have North African ancestry as well as Southern European.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Can't learn Tamazigh from your parents? Can you even write Tifinagh? Even know what it is? I have been to Africa and been around people you call "North African mediterraneans". You are a joke. There are movements to fight against arab/europhile people like you on the mainland and it's easy to see why. You are basically a foreigner that can barely speak the language. I bet you have Spanish down all the way though.

I'll let you have the last word. Good night.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 rad qqoddo7 astsawal7 rad qqoddo7 azd awi7, so how is that for some Tamazight. Tamazight had to be re-learned in the Canary Islands because of the conquest of Spain in the Canary Islands destroyed the language. But that does not stop us from having the ancestry. You are a stupid ass. How am I Europhile? I am accepted by the Imazighen, you are an idiot. All Imazighen accepts Canarian people as brothers. You are ignorant. I know what Tifinagh is.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Took you long enough to look that up. LOL! Good night Spanish American "Berber" with Spanish parents.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I didn't look it up. I can speak some Tamazight. I am Berber descent whether you like or not. I am Spanish descent also, whether you like it or not.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

And Berbers, Ethiopians, Ancient Egyptians, and many North Africans are black people, whether you like it or not. Tamazig, Tamasheq is a black Afrasian/Chadic language, whether you like it or not. Tifinagh is a black script, whether you like it or not.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 Oh, and go to Wikipedia and type in Sa'idi people, and see the faces of the Sa'idi people. They are surely Mediterranean people. They are not Black Africans. Why must you twist reality to suit your interests? I do not understand. If the original inhabitants of the Canary Islands were Black, I would readily accept that after review of credible information, because I do not have an agenda based on special interests. But you seem to and are not openly accepting conflicting information.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Your problem is you don't know history and you don't know what "black" is. Anyone who doesn't fit your very limited and downright idiotic idea of "black" is immediately thought to be mixed with "Arabs" or "caucasoids". That is why you are a Eurocentric. Those pictures are of MODERN Saaidi people. Did you not watch the video I posted here? Same with Fellahins. Has nothing to do with the population 5,000 years ago. You think Bejas are mixed with Arabs? I'm done here.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 I'm done too. This is getting nowhere. I told you that I'm not Eurocentric, I'm Canary Islander, and Canarias is in North Africa. Your argument is that everyone in Egypt today is not Egyptian, but that is false. Northern Egyptians are 64.8% indigenous North African. They are descendents of the ancient Egyptians. If someone is 64.8% Black, they will look Black African. Northern Egyptians do not. I posted scientific DNA results showing this, yet you reject them. Because you're biased.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Many modern Egyptians do indeed look black. It depends on who is in your sample. I posted a video FROM Egyptians saying what I just said from their own mouth. Yet you ignore it because you are biased.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 Ok, I think this is where this should come to an end. You send me a video of words, not tested proof, but it's ok, no worry. I give you proof, but you don't except it. So, in respects of the debate, I think this is where it ends. I did not appreciate you calling me a stupid fuck, which was inappropriate. But I turn the other cheek. I can not debate any longer, because it is getting nowhere. I hope you understand.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

A stupid fuck is the best way to describe your ranting about "Afrocentrics" and "American Blacks" on a video that is just for those groups.  You can find friends elswhere where you can talk your stupidity all day long. Not here.

Good day.

[midnitedawn]

Africa is so beautiful and amazing. I know who I am and I know where I come from. It just doesn't get anymore beautiful than that. I was told I look like an an African princess <3! Best compliment I received all year!

[Tritano]

@ArvinAgtarap I'm sorry, what point are you trying to make?

[lionzion22]

@Tritano

His point is to show you how ignorant he is. I honeslty thinks he believes that. Mission accomplished.

[bcolemaqn16]

OHHH I WANT TO DO THIS!!!

[puffinstuffsmum]

But what about the native American heritage that 40% of American blacks have? What about that 'embarassing white' heritage that most of them will also have? Can people live with being a blend or do they have to identify with the racial group they most look like or prefer?

[TheRoyaldiamond]

@puffinstuffsmum i dont know it where ur from, that all i know

[lionzion22]

@puffinstuffsmum

I've never seen any scientific study say that American blacks have 40% native american ancestry. Also never seen one that says "most" of them have white heritage. In other words, your "blend" argument is wrong to begin with, so it's moot.

[MonkeymagicsMum]

@lionzion22 So because you have never seen it, it's automatically wrong? Bit pompous of you.

[lionzion22]

@MonkeymagicsMum

No, because there are numerous studies already done, and NONE of them parrot this nonsense you are saying. Matter of fact, they all say the opposite. You might do yourself well to try and read a few.

[MonkeymagicsMum]

@lionzion22 I suppose it very much depends what you read then, doesn't it? Personally I couldn't give a shite, since it is not my heritage. Obviously it bothers you, though.

[lionzion22]

@MonkeymagicsMum

Idiots don't bother me. I'm just curious to find out why they do the things they do sometimes. Like say things that have barely a pinch of fact. Of course it always leads to the same answer.

[MonkeymagicsMum]

@lionzion22 I made a comment, you disagree in the strongest terms. Now move on.

[lionzion22]

@MonkeymagicsMum

The one leaving opinionated and outright false comments is the one who needs to just shut up and move on.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 Black Americans have been studied in many studies, and they have been proven to be a racially mixed group of people, mixed with White and Native American. Don't get upset because it does not go along with your idea of what a Black American is. There is nothing wrong with that. Half of the White American population has some sort of Native American mixture, and one third of the White American population has at least one Black ancestor. It is what it is. The Americas: melting pot.

[lionzion22]

@IslenoGutierrez

Show me this study. Show me where half of the white population is some sort of Native American mixture. It's one thing to pull thoughts and number from the air. It's another to actually show this by people who have bothered to truly study it.

And it's not my "idea of what a black american is". My own family tree and also supported by studies prove that it's far from an "idea", but just reality.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@lionzion22 The studies I mentioned, were on Black Americans, not White Americans. There is a study saying that one third of White Americans have some sort of Black ancestry. But I read somewhere about the Native American ancestry, I don't actually have a study on that one. But I will look for a study of Native American admixture in White Americans. I know the percentage of White Americans with Native ancestry must be large, because most Whites I meet tell me they have some Native ancestry.

[sourheartroasie]

The same people who took our identity away from us are the same people to tell us who we are? Get real. Their tests never seem to get us back to the original nations of the bible, i.e. the Nation of the Israelites! I don't trust the white man and his tests no further than I can throw them!

[fenderbass]

@RobertHollisByrd because learn from the best whitefolk in action.now go fuck yourself you ignorant mfkr.

[yunaas101]

@RobertHollisByrd lol i have to laugh that was funny

[omoibile]

RobertHollisByrd: Where is ur motherland? Mutant! Pig ur color I have under my feet to walk on. Evil Albino mutant

[omoibile]

RobertHollisByrd: Ur ignorance has blinded u to focus on ur crimes, nothing compared than all wars on innocent victims all over the world. We've got no pedophile cases or murderer cases, serial killers et.c as high as ur klans. Your people gased innocent Vietnamese in Vietnam they're still dying of the toxic waste left behind on their field. Your race are the real savages. Useless mutant piece of shit

[omoibile]

RobertHollisByrd: Hopefully when they go back to Africa they won't have the need to commit all those crimes in their Motherland because the prejudiced circumstances that led to such behaviour was due to your pale face fathers evilness on Indian stolen land. And where is ur Motherland Bastard?

[corinth202]

It's more whites behind the video cameras and statistics that show everyone what they want everyone to see. Exposing everyone elses nakeness but their own. It's time to separate the sheep from the goats. Whatever you are be that in truth and those of us in truth lets expose the lies... of all nations and nationalites of people.

[alicialacyparker1]

@RobertHollisByrd you are sooo wrong pick up a book.. y dnt u

[Tritano]

i agree go back 2 africa! forced over by whites, raped by whites. churches burned by whites. beaten by white gangs 4 trying 2 read! nevertheless, while white women collected 61% of the welfare checks last year the blacks contributed $892billion to the economy in spending; and in the last 50 years since civil rights managed 2 become harvard professors, lawyers, billionaires, supreme court justice, academy/nobel/pulitzer award winners, doctors, joint chief staff, secretary of state and president!

[yunaas101]

@Tritano what about the president

[Tritano]

@yunaas101 i think he's a great man.

[mccaffey123]

@Tritano wat fukin made u type n african ancestroy n start sayin rasicst shit i dnt understand go get a life u fukin white trash

[Tritano]

@mccaffey123 whoa! LOL, I'm black...my post was in response to someone who made a comment suggesting blacks going back to Africa would prevent crime, or something like that, in America! My comment is in defense of black people as to convey our great achievements and continued contributions to the U.S. economy! It's sarcasm...read it again LOL :-)

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Tritano Wow, sounds like you have a lot of hate in your heart for Whites. Wow.

[Tritano]

@IslenoGutierrez WOW is right? That u took my accurate recount of historical facts and made a gross overgeneralized MISinterpretation. Still, the 1st thing I noticed is that u didn't say anything I said was untrue. How dare you sir, I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE! I follow the high example of Dr. martin Luther King Jr. I follow the high example of Mr. Malcolm X. I follow the high example of Gandhi, all men who fought against hatred, discrimination and racism with knowledge, love and peaceful action.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Tritano I just took a quick glance at your comment and at first it did come off as somewhat racist, but if it's not what you meant, than no biggie. I know there were rights and wrongs in every race in the world. I respect what Dr. Martin Luther King stood for, and that was for us all to be equal and fair to each other. I am all for you showing a positive attitude toward your race, I just don't agree with tearing another down in the process. We should all move forward with a positive attitude.

[Tritano]

@IslenoGutierrez I agree with you whole heartedly on moving forward, but I don't think that means to forget the past. I admire the Jewish people because the remember the atrocities and teach it to other races so that it can't happen again. So far, the American education system has done a very poor job at representing the history of minorities accurately so I think it's the responsibility of the people to educate the masses until the books reflect better.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Tritano I don't hate anyone, but I'd respect the Jews a whole lot more if they would leave the Palestinians alone and let those poor people have a state. But that is a whole other story. But yes, I do think the U.S. needs to teach more about other countries' cultures and ways of life. So that we can understand the world better. Americans make a lot of ignorant assumptions about other peoples in the world. If people stop watching Jersey Shore so much and maybe try to read, we'd all be ok.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Tritano Yes, there is nothing wrong with remembering the past, but it's not good to constantly put the past in the forefront and to dwell on it, so much that it clouds the judgement of many, not allowing for a progressive move forward. I just want to add to that.

[Tritano]

@IslenoGutierrez I just watched your video and you seem to be very introspective and intelligent. So then I'm just assuming that you know about the Mexican American War and the forced Mexican Repatriation under President Herbert Hoover. I'm sure you know about the Zoot Suit Riots and the Chicano Movement that was inspired by Civil Rights. Yes? So tell me this, which groups were represented in these conflicts and injustices, Mestizos and who?

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Tritano Well thank you for the compliment. I try to stay in the know. Oh, and yes I do know about the Mexican American War, Mexican Repatriation and the Zoot suit riots. They all involved Mestizos (Mexicans and Mexican-Americans) and White Americans. That was just some of the negative history of this country back then. I think we all could be better people than that. If you are wondering, I'm not Mexican-American, I'm Spanish-American.

[Tritano]

@IslenoGutierrez When your video started n u said "I'm White" I understood how you could easily misinterpret. Mestizos aren't white, just like Puerto Ricans or Creoles or my Grandmother whose Grandfather was Irish. There were laws written to prevent that endowment. When your video began I didn't see a "white". Just like the 1000's of Mestizos lynched in the Southwest U.S., and who couldn't vote or live where they wanted or avoid police brutality. Those kinds of things didn't happen to "whites".

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Tritano I'm for equality for all races. I said in my video that I'm a White Hispanic American, meaning I am Hispanic by culture, White by race and American by nationality. I'm sure you know that Hispanic isn't a race, because you mention Mestizos. I am just descended from Spaniards, as opposed to Anglos (English), Irish or German. The U.S. has racialized the Hispanic category and has given it a racial value that equates to Mestizos. Mestizos are not the only Hispanics. Spaniards were the first.

[Tritano]

@IslenoGutierrez So that I've made myself abundantly clear: I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I despise racism! White people walked arms locked with blacks from Selma to Montgomery. White people risked their lives during the Freedom Rides in 1961. And there is a long list of white people to whom I owe a lifetime of gratitude for love they've shown me as mentors, teachers and friends. Is your struggle with self identification in a country that still labels you? Don't judge me for knowing the history.

[Tritano]

@IslenoGutierrez Pardon me, I just read your post which explained that your parents are Spanish. I assumed you were Mexican. In that case, outside of the Americas (North and South, but esp. the U.S.) I don't know how to make the argument for racial identification. I don't know European law. I studied Spanish for a year and learned aspects about the culture and racial mixing in Spain, (Iberians, Celts, Berbers, Moors). Still, I do not know for sure. I'd like to visit that part of the world :-)

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Tritano It's ok. I am Spanish-American, my parents are Spaniards from the Canary Islands of Spain. I am of Spanish blood (I don't know my actual mix of bloodlines which could be any of the following: Iberian, Celtic, Roman, Visigoth, Moor or Berber). I do know that I am Spanish descended, and I go by White race here in America. I use the Hispanic moniker also, because Spaniards are Hispanic by culture just like Latin America.

[tcb20744]

the world is backwards... how did we get here? why is the truth so hard to find?

[resater2050]

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