Riz Khan - Global meltdown - Nov 19 - Part 2

[ehswan]

I generally agree with this comment which seems to be saying that these "experts" don't have a clue. Bottom line, fiat monetary systems ALWAYS FAIL.

[GildedTermite]

civilization is going to collapse into chaos....

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[lyden2006]

Thank you for posting one of my questions. Don't like the time lag on the chat, so I'll have to get the phone number. Unfortunately, I have a job and won't make it to the Ron Paul interview. I'll be on the day after. Til' then.

[dankeewolnir4042]

HOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYY SSSSSHIIIIIIIITTTT!!! did she just say that....trust the Central Banks and not the economist? She is either completely ignorant, or completely evil and working for those bastards. I cannot believe I just heard that. Look up the history of the FEDERAL RESERVE and deside for yourself if you should trust them.

[chris7777777777777]

who should we then trust, except those who already know how to work the system. I know you'll argue "they got us in this mess!" you learn from your mistakes and you make the changes. What should we do? Remove the Federal Reserve only to replace it with men who will only eventually go the same route? you conspiracy theorist are a trip.

[dankeewolnir4042]

if im a conspiratory, then so is T.Jefferson, B.Franklin, Lincoln, A.Jackson, J.Garfield, JFK, and even W.Wilson who said in his fairwell address that he was ashamed that he sold his country the the Fed in 1913. This is no conspiracy, it is history and history in the making as well. All of these Pres. have said word for word that this will happen if we give the rights to Central Banks to control our currency. This has been happening for thousands of years cause the public doent understnd.

[dankeewolnir4042]

no mistake...look up fractional reserve lending and fiat currency. Both were shuned by the founders because they understood that both were INVENTED to consolidate wealth to the top. What should we do?damn right remove the Fed or any Central Bank period, and stop printing money from nothing.The fed (A PRIVATE BANK) has the right to counterfit money and lend it at intrest.Its impossible to pay of the debt.Look it up or i would be happy to email you info straight from former pres. mouths/pens.

[dankeewolnir4042]

its not a mistake or conspiracy...it is the same reason Jesus Christ turned over the tables in the Temple because the jews had a monopoly on money (like now). Basically sold the money to the people, which essentially controlled the people.

"Give me control over a nations money supply, and I care not who makes its laws."

--Baron M.A. Rothschild---relative in infamous international banking family that eventually started the Federal Reserve Bank---died 1874

[chris7777777777777]

Im not saying there isn't a conspiracy, it just seems to be a cult these days more than ever. THe thing is, there is nothing we, me or you can do anything about it. Instead we blame everyone in government as being part of this grand conspiracy when truly they are doing what they are told and taught. Should the government take over the FED? Should it be closed? who will print the money? I like paper money, our only other option would be a chip under your right had, let them keep printing paper

[dankeewolnir4042]

agreed, there is nothing we can directly do except inform ourselves.The only president to ever pay off the national debt to the central bank was Andrew JAckson whos campaign slogan was "Jackson and No Banks" Yes the congress has the right to print money according to the constitution, and then we dont have to pay intrest. Lincoln printed the "Greenbacks" so we didt have to borrow from the Central Banks. But if we want to have a monetary system, it should be regulated by a commodity (ie Gold)

[dankeewolnir4042]

also, I never blamed the gov...the FED is a private entity operating in its own interest, no the country's. Im a part of no cult, and this is in every history book, if not directly then indirectly. People who control money control the gov, who in-turn has to control us to pay off the debt. Fiat money is not just paper money, it is money that represents nothing. this could be in form of a chip as well. you dont understand, and i cant type it all. look up fiat money - fractional reserve lending

[chris7777777777777]

I fear we are in for the biggest crash ever. it is as if money up and vanished. which it did because it was nothing but numbers to begin with

[dankeewolnir4042]

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and their corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

--President Thomas Jefferson ---1787

I havent said a word yet. I am merely regurgitating the words of the wiser. These arent just my opinions, this has all happened before.

[chris7777777777777]

the state government will take your money if you don't pay your taxes.

[dankeewolnir4042]

yeah...but i dont understand your point. what does that have to do with anything

[chris7777777777777]

according to the quote by Jefferson the bank will do take your home, the government can do the same if you don't pay your land tax or even worst. You don't pay your mortgage you lose your house, you don't pay your land tax, you go to jail for a few years. The government is far worst than these powerful bankers.

[dankeewolnir4042]

im sorry man, you really dont understand what I have already said. The government OWES the banks. The only way money reaches circulation is by the gov borrowing from the banks. you are now contradicting yourself. You said you hate that everyone blames the gov, then I say the gov is an institution working for the banks, now you are blaming the gov yourself. The gov is controlled by the banks. Yes they take the house if the morgage isnt payed, but the house isnt yours until you pay it off.

[dankeewolnir4042]

Jefferson didnt say anyone will take the homes, he said that people will wake up homeless. Meaning that all of the wealth will be consolidated to the top. The government taxes because it has to pay back the FED. The gov now works for the FED, this is indisputable. Inflation is the worst tax there is...and this is straight from bernake's mouth. What are you even trying to argue? Why are you having such a hard time believing me.

[dankeewolnir4042]

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1933

are you even reading what I am saying, you have contradicted your own views. Please do some research

[chris7777777777777]

save your self, I am a biologist, I am no historian sorry im really not interested in this topic, maybe one day I will be. sorry if I have a hard time believing anything you say I am the kind of person that has to read the historical proof to believe this stuff. lol ok I read what you said, yes what you are saying make sense, but it doesn't really matter to me science matters, maybe you need to run for office, go help Ron Paul fight the good fight, sorry if Ive wasted your time.

[dankeewolnir4042]

by the way there was no such thing as Income Tax, or the IRS before the Federal Reserve, which was not the idea of the Gov. Its the exact same banking familys that destroyed Europe as well a many other countries, and funded Napoleon and so on and so on. This is all easily found from non-Alex Jones sources. Its not the Gov, the FED has the Gov by the short and curlies.

[chris7777777777777]

money doesn't need gold to back it anymore, money is valuable all by itself. Which is more valuable. A hundred dollar bill that is back by gold or one that isn't? they are the same. WE ARE THE ONES who put value on things. There isn't enough gold in the world to back all the money. Whether we like it or not our economy is an illusion, a great one at that, and the last thing we need is for it to collapse simply because of fear, and the escalation of it.

[dankeewolnir4042]

that is recockulous, you are about to find out which is more valuable. When the dollar is long gone and crashed gold will still be valuble. You are right we are the ones who value things, but a commodity will regulate the currency. Your right there isnt enough gold to back money because we just print money when we want but it doesnt make it valuable. you still dont understand, everytime a dollar is created from nothing the dollar in your pocket will buy less gold. Inflation.

[dankeewolnir4042]

The Federal Reserve definitely caused the Great depression by contracting the amount of currency in circulation by one-third from 1929 to 1933.

--Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize winning economist

money didnt just vanish, they control how much is in circulation. Seriously, i dont know why this is hard to believe. Look at history the same familys are in control now that have been for hundreds of years. Look at who profited from the Gr.Depr. The same are profiting now.

[dankeewolnir4042]

you have still not addressed the only issue i am discussing. Fractional Reserve Lending - and Fiat Currency are both designed SPECIFICALLY to funnel the wealth to the top. This is the fundamentals of our correctly described "illusion" of our economy. If you dont know, which it seems that you dont yet, what these fundamentals are why are you so adamant. This is why the revolutionary war was fought, to get of the dishonest monetary system of GB. Why are you arguing for this. Fiat always falls

[sinitskyd]

Switzerland is responsible for this financial mess because it is a tax haven for banksters. Also, Curasao is a tax heaven for George Soros.

[inexorableJmcle]

Debt is a humiliation in daytime, and worry at night

[andimoi]

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[whitbread0]

ha ha ha fuck american

[WTU208]

We already have a World Bank.

That is the problem, not the solution.

[mrshutter77]

We do notneed a global central bank, We need to have Gold betheinternational standard of the monetarysystems. Not a another global organization which demands that countries anlgonize themselves with English as it only offical langauge.

[mrshutter77]

The current US imperial army is wrost than the Spanish Conquistadors could have ever been. It's simple, count all the gold you have in the reserve, in the teasury, buy some more, and creata new currency backed by gold, Old Dollar to New Dollar or The Continental again. Buthtisitme backed by gold. Are you reallythat obsessed with brown people gettingkilled thatyou support invasions and invasions, Unless you were being sarcastic.

[saad1505]

Lyndon LaRouche address in Washington, D.C., on May 7th. These are just clips from the Tragedy & Hope address where LaRouche talked about Obama getting the nomination. The Lisbon Treaty before Ireland voted No, but now Ireland is being ignored and the Treaty is being forced throw. The Biofuel scam of Prince Philip. that is reducing the worlds population. Its now been exposed biofuel has caused food crisis.

[andimoi]

We need more regulation. Free mkt policy and free trade is a scam. The govt has to and shld interfere to steer the economy in the right direction which is the overall good of the the nation and its citizens. We are not obligated to let the market forces to find its own path and way. We are however obligated to or rather the govt is obligated to watch out for the ppl n te nation. Free mkt policy advocates letting mkt forces find it's way to help em make profits. That has always proved disastrous.

[LibertyOrBust]

No andimoi, what you advocate has proved disastrous. The absolutely amazing thing is this proves itself again and again and yet each crisis caused by govt intervention is then blamed on the "free market." Astounding.