Sioux language: male vs. female speech

[starrchild2010]

Shazzbot 007 grow up and get a life. What are you 12?

[starrchild2010]

I am currently learning to speak Lakota. From what my teacher tells me it's not a very good translation and the words that are spoken are not always pronounced right. A good example of this is when the Sioux are going on the Pawnee raid and Dunbar asks to go. They are talking about gun and Dunbar says "mani kte lo. What he's suppose to say is "mniŋ kte lo". I will go. I don't blame them. Lakota is a hard language to learn. I couldn't imagine having to learn all that Lakota for the movie.

[w5pda]

@starrchild2010 I wish I was as passionate about learning (native, my dad's side) Inupiaq. I wish you success in learning the language of the Oyate.

[cliffworks4321]

I wonder how accurate the langage translations and delivery are? Am watching the Lonesome Dove and related series and hear some native tribal languages spoken

but none sound smooth, all are cliped and slow. I wonder if they did this intentionally

to make it easy on non-native lingo speakers' ears? anyone out there know? thanks

[chchmcda]

WHAT

[FallaciesDetective]

what is the difference ?

[schniv]

That chief gets verbally owned at the end.

[timray99]

look, it is the same no matter the race...bitch, bitch, bitch

[Artahe]

Beautiful language!

But hey, isn't that Laura Roslin, President of the twelve colonies of Kobold?? :D

[maryliciousGirl]

@Artahe Yes she is :)))) She is Mary McDonnell and she's the frakkin' awesome president of the 12 colonies :)

[Artahe]

@maryliciousGirl Yaaaaaarh!! She's President Roslin!!!!! So greeeeat!!

[zammmerjammer]

And Tantoo Cardinal FTW!

[storm1931]

hahaha I love this movie but I always wondered why her hair was teased! lol I think they tried to put a twist of the early 90s in there

[torofighter]

She's supposed to be a white girl adopted by the Lakota people.

[lloron74]

...meow...(...the best "phonetic" representation is in Revrend Eugene Buechel's book and langugae ethnography - began while living with the Lakota at Pine Ridge during 1908 - and with the help of many individuals compiled one of the "best" dictionaries and language references to date. However, I do not read much of a difference as far as inflection between the genders and all dialects are included included...)

[juggernette397]

I don't hear the difference?

[ongawesgone]

Unfortunately, Graham Greene isn't Lakotah. He is Oneida/Rotino'shonni: onwe (Iroquois). He had to learn Lakotah, as did many of those with lines, for the film. In his own words, "I had to learn to speak Lakotah. As an Oneida, I can't even speak my own language. Hell, I can barely speak english."

Yeama ahuk med k'larni, peetuk Shawanoe/Anishnabe. This is our tongue, in Shawnee/Anishnabe.

[Patti51Lynn]

her hair is "crazy" as you say, because she has neturally curly haie, to show right off she is not Lacota. The Lacota, as with asiand have no gene for curl in hair...

get it now?

[Kalapasuca]

Lakota is one of the most beautiful native languages.

[CupisHomines]

English could very well stand to absorb more Lakota words. Take, for example, the word Aloksohan meaning "carrying a book under the arm." I've spoken English all my life now, and as far as I know, there's not even an archaic or Shakespearean word that conveys this action in itself. There's many other words that we could use in order to dwindle word counts in books and essays

[lonewolf379th]

@CupisHomines

Good point.

[Onomon]

I love Kicking Bird's wife, I wish she had been given more lines in this film.

[setunle]

Where can I find material for learning the language?

[altagolfer]

I wonder what he uses to keep his hair up like that. :)

[skateboardgilr]

The guy that plays Kicking Bird is in New Moon.. he plays the Clearwater guy. :)

[83Mysterio]

I know it´s stupid but I don´t like that actress.

Mostly or only because of the way she looks.

[InfiniteMushroom]

@83Mysterio It's not stupid to notice cognitive dissonance being introduced to the audience in the way of somebody who doesn't look right for the part.

Cognitive dissonance has been part and parcel of movie making for over 40 years now. Even the most subtle of human interactions are scrutinized by psychologists before it's part of a script. Male-female role reversals and dominant behavior by the female are the most common. Any entertainment value exists strictly to carry the dissonance through

[lildisco]

I love to speak it!

[terhimaria1]

I love to listen this language ;D

[deniapavao]

I love the scene when stands with a fist and dances with wolves do it in the teepee.

[seamr05]

its as if this woman doesnt age at all....have you seen her in battlestar galactica...this is almost 20 years ago since this movie came out...

[83Mysterio]

Yeah she looks almost the same but I don´t like her but this movie is really good.

[jonbarnhill82]

Sioux is Ojibwa, meaning treacherous snake. Lakota, Nakota and Dakota is the proper names. NOW some Wasicun calls us new names such as Teton Sioux. Maybe we should have new names for THEIR ignorance.

[fortchipman1234]

why is her hair crazy

natives kept there hair combed and straight lol

[bububububak]

she's white...her hair have different structure, don't you see?!

[cymbeli]

Yes but her hair has the mind of a white woman...wild and unconforming

[dubhfionn]

@fortchipman1234 she is a white woman with crazy wild irish hair

[elinheartstristin]

@fortchipman1234 because her hair is curly

[thoostorm4]

@fortchipman1234 MY PEOPLE COMBED OUR HAIR ONE WAY ONLY

[rhino18]

@fortchipman1234 She's white. White womens is crazy.

[iammadness]

@fortchipman1234 But white pwople don't all have straight hair. Sometimes it is wavy and sometimes it is very curly. Hers is very wavy.

[artistinafrica]

@fortchipman1234 : her hair had been recently chopped off because she is in mourning for her dead Lakota husband. Being white, her hair is different: thick, wavy, and prone to the frizzies! In the earlier scene where Dunbar finds her on the prairie, her hair is very very long. By the time he returns, it has been cut off. Her hairstyle is also a device in the film to set her apart from the rest of the tribe.

[The253King]

@artistinafrica UUNk PAPA SIOUX!! I MEANT THIS FOR -FORTCHIPMAN- GOODLOOK SIR!

[fuschiadea]

@fortchipman1234 Yeah, I guess getting the language down isn't enough for a white girl. They decided to try extra hard to make her «savage».

[sanna1433]

@fortchipman1234

It because she is a white...she is not a native..

[yohnrob]

is there dakota,lakota, and nakota ? the difference is hau koda and hau kona and hau kola.  I believe there are other pronounciation differences as well.

[NavajoKoLii]

i don't know how they ever got to be called sioux, probably someone just decided to call them that, because they call themselves Lakota listen carefully everytime in the subtitles you see the word sioux they actually say Lakota, and the people i know call themselves the lakota people in english

[WhiteStarWoman]

The Lakota was called "Sioux" by the French.

[hanspiper]

If you listen to the movie closely, you do hear the men using yelo as they should be. I think the actors' use of the feminine has been exaggerated.

[walkingbear56]

ps Tantoo Cardinal ( at the end scene) what a marvelous actress and Human Being. Must see her in Smoke Signals.

[RiverBirch1967]

LOL yeah she owned him in that scene. She is so very beautiful.

[walkingbear56]

Just watched this scene again on the big screen... it is Tantoo's scene. Even though Graham Green and Mary McDonnell are taking 98% of the action.

When you look at the way hollywood has shown the "Nobel Savages", whatever faults DwW has ( and there are a few) it should be seen by every one interested in real history.

[walkingbear56]

Although they simplified it by getting everyone to speak in the female version.... there were many jokes on set to do with warriors speaking with the female word endings, normally "ay" for women or "o" for men such as pilamaye ye for women and pilamaye yelo for men

[RiverBirch1967]

Did anyone say anything about the hair of the white lady? How 1980's it was?

[amanda2173]

I love her hair is like mine. Wild

[wildflower8]

So true! Didn`t work for me...she looked like she had mall hair!