Norway recently withdrew all the funding to so called "gender studies" in scientific research much due to a documentary "hjernevask" (Brainwash) shown on National Tv NRK. It shines the light on how feminism do not hold up to science when faced with biology and psychology.
sweden still keeps up the gender fascism.
The show has English subtitles and should be seen and spread by anybody antifeminist and interested in the present nordic situation.
Your thoughts on the subject are good but this one is a true dilema and there is no easy solution. On this one, one side is going to get more no matter how you structure it.
If she didn't get the abortion, then he shouldn't be paying child support. I'm a female and I'm very sick of women. I get that women have been through a lot, but the way many of us treat men is unfair, unjust and downright wrong. I'm not talking about rape victims. Most abortions are from women who willingly had sex without decent protection or any at all. It was her choice to have sex, it was her choice to keep the baby and it should be his choice to not pay for it.
@EllaKathryn fuck, i couldnt agree more! but dont say "many of US" i dont want 2 b associated with a bunch of cows.
u do realise tho that it was also his choice to have sex, dont u? aka equal responsibility. which SHOULD mean equal rights. a woman can absolve responsibility thru abortion, but what if the guy doesnt want a child? he cant force her to get an abortion, but he should be able to refuse all responsibility! if she still does it even tho he doesnt want 2, she shud leave him out of it.
I am a loyal user of birth control and I've never had unsafe sex. Me and my man talked it over months before my first time, and if I ever became pregnant, I would not want an abortion. He understands. That's why we waited until we were in a relationship before having sex so that we knew we'd be on the same page (I've never been with anyone else) and we've always been careful.
in my opinion im pro-choice, i believe in womens rights. NO ONE out there knows what these women go through ESPECIALLY if they were raped. no MAN has the right to tell a woman what she should do with her body!only SHE knows whats right FOR HER!! she should be the one to decide for herself. if she regrets it later on in life thats HER problem but NO ONE should tell HER what she HAS TO DO!! its HER life. and HER body and HER decision!! but in NOT FOR PARTIAL ABORTION to me that is murder!!
@monica2ization men shud b able 2 have a say in the abortion issue - what ur saying is sexist. im a girl but ive never been pregnant so i also dont understand what these women go thru. does that make my opinion invalid too?
ur right: no man has the right 2 tell a woman (or anyone else for that matter) what she shud do with her body, but if he doesnt want the child, he shud b able to absolve all responsibility, in the same way a woman can thru abortion. that doesnt mean he can FORCE her to get 1
@monica2ization wow, i think you have a problem with men. try to get help with that.
no one wants to force women to give an abortion or not....... we are talking about aborting RESPONSIBILITY
most women get abortions to avoid responailbity for a kid,,,,, and thus a man should have eqaul rights to do the same.
ditto on adoption.
you sound like most women...... so concerd about men telling what to do...... when i dont see any man trying to make you do anything you dont want to do.
@monica2ization no one wants to force a women to do anything........ execpt give up your sexist special treatment and take full responability for your actions for once.
i find it disgusting that women are so focused on avoding responsiliby for there share. stop worrying about men telling you what to do..... becuase they arnt trying to..
start worrying about what your own gender is doing to men EXTACTLY WHAT YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT.
@monica2ization your right its her body her choice andher responsibility and men should not be forced to follow threw with whatever choice she makes sense she wants to have full responsibility and doesnt need anybody else. no one is saying they want to make a women get a abortion we are saying that men should have a choice if they want to have anything to do with the kid just like women do.
wached most of your videos, love your clear and unapologetic voice, we need about 500 milion like you who talk back against the constant brainwashing we are all subject to, and a change will surely come.
@factory2590 Do nothing. I'm merely trying to open up your eyes to the way in which you represent yourself. Whether you believe in men's rights, etc. We should all be working together. Try being accepting and cooperative instead of putting out these ideologic and really quite malicious messages into the world to see. Your hatred has accomplished nothing. So I guess continue to be closed minded inside your own little reverie and doubtfully some day others w actual intellect will agree with u
@factory2590 I'm curious as to how to you were socialized to come to believe your vacuous conjectures to be valid. What's your educational background?
BTW, to claim a right you must have an interest in it. I give credit 4 this idea to Peter Singer. Anyway, dogs shouldn't have a right to vote because they have no interest in voting, nor any conception of it whatsoever. Women on the other had, do have interests in voting, therefore they should have the right to vote. I think it rather absurd to assert a dog should have a right to vote. Men have no interest in abortion bc they cannot have one. Thus they shouldnt claim a right to an abortion
@factory2590 I gave credit to that reasoning to Peter Singer, and I merely agree with him. Peter Singer is brilliant philosopher. He is a professor of bioethics at Princeton University. Are you really that benighted to surmise yourself to be more "edumacated" and well reasoned than he?
@qwertytalkszee If his 'reasoning' is that men don't care about abortion, or reproduction or the issues around it, because we can't have one...then not only will I say I'm more 'edumacated' than him, but moreover he's a fucking moron and I would be more than happy to stand in front of an auditorium of his peers and prove as much.
@factory2590 I don't hate men, I am one. I like how you assumed anyone who disagrees with your point of view must be a woman though. Go fuck yourself, you misogynistic idiot.
@factory2590 'Female supremacist'. Aha, you make me laugh. I believe men and women are equalled, neither more supreme nor valuable than the other. I don't choose to identify myself as a ‘feminist’; I'm an equal rights campaigner like you. I find it odd however that you are so angry at this supposed 'female supremacy' whilst for years prior men have reigned 'supreme' over women. It seems you're angry that the power / control balance is finally levelling out.
@opalrok "It seems you're angry that the power / control balance is finally levelling out."
Show me an area anywhere in society where men are doing as well as women. Then you can show me why you call it 'levelling out'.
In the meantime, I'll continue to call you a female supremacist, because that's what you are. Why you are so self-loathing as to take the position you did is none of my concern. And I don't care.
@opalrok Curiously monochromatic view of the world you have there. Also a bit telling that you chose to characterize MRAs as wanting to 'put women in their place'. Can't come up with a new bogeyman this fast?
MRAs want equal legal rights to women. We want either the abolishment of affirmative action, or the EQUAL application (meaning health and education). We want equal parental and reproductive rights.
But shit like that exposes you for the hypocrite you are, so you ignore it.
@factory2590 Also a bit telling that you continuously group yourself with an organisation as opposed to taking direct criticism to your person. 'chose to characterize MRA's', I was characterising you, you insecure shit.
@opalrok Oh. Well, then you are mischaracterizing me, not MRAs. Either way you're still a hateful little troll. And ignorant of history. And seemingly incapable of reason.
I know what you are, concern troll. I've dealt with fetid assholes like you for years.
You're irrelevant. Go act superior somewhere else.
@factory2590 And I've known many vapid coffee shop revolutionaries like yourself over the years, whine and complain about the world in which they live, growing bitter and pathetic with every triumph of the opposition, hoping someone somewhere will listen to their two-bit ideology.
I'd also like to point out that, it's it's either 100% or 0% choice. Meaning, women have either a 100% say or a 0% say. In the case that women have 100% say, the man has 0%. In the case that women have 0% say, a man has 100% say. I don't know how you expect to have it be 50/50. You can't abort a baby, and have it live at the same time. It can only be 100/0. So who gets the 100% say? The woman.
I'm fine with that, as long as you follow it with "and 100% of the responsibility is the woman's as well". If you aren't willing to go that far, then you're just looking for a way to force men to finance the choices of women.
And don't give me any shit about it being 'for the children' either. Child poverty? Women's fault. Their CHOICE after all.
@ImaginarYxGoddesS Of course you think it all balances out. partly because you're doing your level best to look at the issue in as beneficial of a light to women as possible.
In short, your bias is showing.
Here's the plain and simple facts:
Men do not have rights women deem central to their autonomy.
This is based PURELY on biology.
This is the ONLY exception to 'equal under the law'...at least on paper.
@factory2590 I find it extremely shameful for a grown man to call a young female, as myself, a bigot. Whether I am or not. I could be 15, for all you know. Anyway, you will never understand the position a woman is in when she is pregnant. I will never understand the position you are in as a father. The only thing I can suggest is, know the woman you are having sex with.
This situation is extremely complicated and either side can sound biased if you're leaning more towards one side.
@factory2590 That's right. I get special treatment and you don't. QQ more. I love how you avoid the rest of the valid points I made. That's because you don't have an answer. You're just a big baby crying about feminism. Why don't you make a video that helps men to overcome these things and helps them to figure out ways to change the inequality. However, for abortion, there can only be one decision. Not two.
@factory2590 ALSO, we don't have equal rights when it comes to war. We cannot sign the document to be drafted and we are not allowed to fight on the battlefield. I would love to sign that and be equal, but it can't be so. Women and men are different. We cannot be equal on everything. That is the way it is. Especially when only one decision can be made when aborting a child.
@ImaginarYxGoddesS I try to sit here and actually address the situation with an open-mind and the affects of both sides. It seems to me that YOU are biased. If I am not saying men have 100% full rights on my body as much as I do, you are not satisfied. Just accept that this matter is complex and you can't just say men have a right to tell the woman the baby HAS to live. Fact of the matter is, the only hardships a man faces during pregnancy is that he doesn't have a choice. The rest is on us.
There are just some things in life that men and women can't be equal on (i.e. women can't fight in war). I think men should have say about abortion, but ultimately, I think the woman's final choice is whether she has an abortion or not. It's just her body, and I know a man suffers here, because it's not his body, but that's just what I think.
ummm, i believe men do receive reproductive rights to their junk! there are places in the south that pharmacists and doctors can say no to giving a woman an abortion or birth control where a man has absolutely no problem what so ever! i believe a man can wave his right to taking care of a child and guess what he can and nobody says anything. but if you think women have more reproductive rights than a man, you are soooo full of yourself!
@sillykatz Tell you what, you find me one jurisdiction anywhere in the western world, where a man can avoid having to finance some skank's family just cause she wants to have a kid, even though he doesn't.
When men can choose to be a parent on the same level women can, THEN and ONLY then is there 'equality'.
All you and every other feminist alive is doing, is trying to fool men into thinking there's no problem here.
You're a liar, and a hypocrite, and deserving of the most vitriolic contempt.
OMG I just watched a video about abortion coercion , which to me is saying that men not ready for parenthood are now also "abusers", and masking itself as an anti-abortion argument (christian feminists obviously)...which as we know is impossible (anyone, male or female can be an asshole, right?) but probably a very small fraction of the actual population. I wish I could post the link :(
Men aren't your own personal workers or protectors. If the man doesn't want to be a father then he needs to have the right to legally force the stinking whore that's carrying his unwanted kid into an abortion and child support is the responsibility of the parent who wants the kid only!
Men need to have the right to legally force the stinking whore that's carrying thei unwanted kid into abortion if they don't want to have a child against their own will!
If a man makes a mistake, I don't want him punished with a child!
@rebelq1 its HER BODY!!! sorry but he has no right to force an abortion on her. yes i am pro choice and yes i believe a man can (and should) wave his rights if he's not ready to be a father, but its her body not his, he has no owner ship of her body! just like a man does not have the right to stop an abortion he doesn't have the right to make her get one, it doesn't work that way, thats just logical biology, baby grows in her body not his!
You reject the child’s critical development time within the womb–that’s the reason for the abortion!So time within that environment does matter to you.You can’t avoid the absurd contradiction.Either time as a child present within the environment of the mother’s womb matters or it does not.If this issue was irrelevant to the abortion argument,both humans would have the same legal “rights”.
So,if mother &daughter swapped places(putting the mother into her daughter’s womb),then the daughter would have the “legal right” to abort her mother.If you say no she doesn’t have the right to abort her,you’ve just contradicted yourself, b/c there’s one body within the other.If you say yes she can,you’ve also contradicted yourself b/c you’ve now upheld the bodily autonomy of the daughter.What’s it gonna be?
@AngryActivist45 No, actually, you're so far away from right you can't even see it. But you act like you are quite well....which makes you an excellent liar.
The point is, you can't show one iota of truth to your claim, can't back it up in any jurisdiction in the World, and can't even show anything remotely resembling your contention.
Which is why you told ME to prove YOUR claim for you, then declared "victory".
Which means you're also catastrophically bad at debate.
@rebelq1 With all due respect, I sincerely don't know why you disagree with my post. If women have all the choice in this matter, they should carry all of the burden of child care and support. If women can opt out of parenthood by abortion or dropping off the baby at at hospital or fire station, then justice demands that men be granted the same right to opt out and evade responsibility.
@rebelq1 how the hell is it not her body? please explain in perfect scientific terms how it is not hers? have you ever taken a biology class? just wondering!
@sillykatz That is an absolute absurdity in circular reasoning. Do they really expect the embryonic human being to change their own environment/development process?
By rejecting developmental differences of human beings, one stage of human development is equated with every other. “Being a child doesn’t matter”, thus they assume a pro-life premise: all humans are “equal”. Time doesn’t matter.
@AngryActivist45 Not correct. Any woman can demand support from the child's father whether he chooses to be in the child's life or not. The law will not release him from the responsibility simply because he is willing to give up any rights to the child. Where this usually occurs is when there is another man willing to legally take the responsibility off the father and adopt the child, as when a woman with a child marries or remarries.
america enslaves men into unwanted parenthood by forcing them to pay child support or threatening them with kidnapping and imprisonment and you know that well
@AngryActivist45 Which, of course, is you 'declining' to answer...because you fucking CAN'T and you know it. There is not one jurisdiction anywhere in the western world in which men have anything even APPROXIMATING female reproductive rights.
And sexist assholes like you are just fine with it.
To the point where you will lie to others, to defend this state of affairs.
I don't believe, for a second, that you are 'mistaken'.
No, you are deliberately lying. Which makes you an asshole.
@factory2590 you're right...the only men spared are the ones where the female had enough integrity and logic to know he has a choice in this too. At 19 I decided to have the child I was pregnant with, the man I was dating was obviously not ready for the responsibility - so I let him know that this was my decision and gave him the option to walk away, without shame or blame. I knew it was MY choice, and it didn't have to be his. Didn't collect aid either, bcuz it was MY choice, not taxpayers.
@factory2590 We resent that the value of a woman is determined by whether some man wants us, yet we declare that the value of an unborn child is determined by whether someone wants him. We resent that as women we have been 'owned' by our husbands, yet insist that the unborn are 'owned' by us. We believe that a man's right to do what he pleases with his own body cannot include the right to sexually exploit women, yet proclaim a our similar right means we can kill our unborn child
@angelshoulders "We believe that a man's right to do what he pleases with his own body cannot include the right to sexually exploit women, yet proclaim a our similar right means we can kill our unborn child"
More to the point, you claim women have a right to do as she pleases with her body, and a man has a responsibility to 'his' child. Men have no right to self determination in a feminist world.
@factory2590 Both parents need to take responsiblity for their own action. They both know that SEX ALWAYS=POSSIBILITY OF PREGNANCY. They both helped to create their own flesh & blood baby. Men must take just as much responsibility as the other. Mother's need to do right by their living unborn human babies, not killing them & men must man up, taking his share of the raising & financial costs. I despise feminism!
Another retarded whore! Child support is the responsibility of the parent who wants the child ONLY!
What kind of remark is that anyway 'man up'? Men aren't sperm banks to impregnate some stupid whore an then be forced into unwanted parenthood at her own convenience!
I am a feminist but I do agree that if a women wants the baby but the man doesn't, he shouldn't be forced to pay for it (....unless ofcourse he has had like 5 kids then it's like use a frigging condom or get the snip) just like if a women wants an abortion and the man doesn't he has no right to stop her.
@Charmedlassie18 I dont know......If I have sex with a woman and impregnate her with my sperm ,I feel I at least have the right to know wats going on regarding abortion. Thats my DNA and baby as well as hers.
@williwo I don't agree...women if taken to full term carry the baby (which takes it's toll) and then become the primary care giver so they should be able to decide.
@Charmedlassie18 I said I at least have the right to know. Thats only fair. And I respect you as a woman because you carry our DNA after we have our one night of pleasure with you. I'm just saying I dont think I should be completely left in the dark.
Men need to have the right to legally force women into an abortion if they don't want to have a child against their own will and child support is the responsibility of the parent who has custody of the child only!
@rebelq1 You have got to be joking me?! My mother was forced into an abortion when she was 20 and regrets it everyday, to enforce that onto a woman is just sick. Abortion isn't a quick fix, its painful physically and emotionally for many women and the guilt can tear them apart. If a man doesn't want a baby so much so he would want the right to FORCE a woman to kill her baby then he should try harder to not get the girl pregnant, accidents DON'T just happen. Wear a condom or get the snip.
"then he should try harder to not get the girl pregnant, accidents DON'T just happen. Wear a condom or get the snip."
Wow, that's sexist as hell. First off, guys don't make women pregnant...what really happens, is when a man and woman love each other very much, they take their private parts and bump them together..
BOTH parties are doing it...the man is not the only one. To frame this as 'he did this to her' is utter bullshit.
@factory2590 That's not what I'm saying here...of course both are responsible and should know what they are getting into when shagging but so many men put the matter of contraception onto the the woman because they hate condoms so much so she gets the blame when falls pregnant and demand an abortion. If he doesn't want to have a baby then he should use contraception, if she doesnt then she should use contraception but even better both should.
@factory2590 To think you can get a woman pregnant and not be held accountable for your actions is utter bullshit! It takes TWO to make it happen, just like she has a choice...SO DO YOU! MY HEART DOES NOT BLEED FOR MEN WITH CHILDREN THEY DON'T WANT, AS IT IS A CONSEQUENCE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY!! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!
@justicecarly Sure. Lets just remove the right to abortion from women while we're at it...to make things more fair. Oh, and baby-drop-offs, and Adoption as well...to make things equal.
Then, just as you're saying to men, we can say to women "If you don't want a baby, keep your legs closed"...just like back in the '50s...and JUST like you're saying to men.
OR
We could actually live up to Feminist rhetoric and let men have IDENTICAL legal rights to women.
@factory2590 so says the fucking idiotic dead beat bastid that does not pay his child support, why don't you remove your fucking balls so you can't contaminate the rest of the world you misogynistic piece of shit! oh and by the way, that's MS. SEXIST BITCH TO YOU FUCKWAD!
@justicecarly "so says the fucking idiotic dead beat bastid that does not pay his child support, why don't you remove your fucking balls so you can't contaminate the rest of the world you misogynistic piece of shit! oh and by the way, that's MS. SEXIST BITCH TO YOU FUCKWAD!"
@justicecarly Now you wanna play nice when someone stands up to you. I see the trash and vulgar you were using toward other people on here. You cant fool me. What the fuck is the reality? You tell me
@rebelq1 If you don't children then keep it in your pants or WRAP IT UP! you force yourself into fatherhood by having unprotected sex.Birth control is a EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY. Simple as that. And no, I don't have oow kids or are a single parent. You blame the woman, well...JUST LIKE SHE CHOSE YOU...YOU CHOSE HER!!!
@rebelq1 I think either parent should pay child support to the parent who has custody...you don't want to then don't let the woman get pregnant, its very simple.
@Charmedlassie18 I think if you want the kid, you should be willing to support it wholly. If both want the kid, that's one thing...but if SHE is the only one that wants it, then SHE should be the only one to support it.
I know it's hard to stop using men as pack mules...but can you at least try?
@factory2590 Your last comment made no sense to me...I have been saying all along if a woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt then SHE should be the only one paying.
@Charmedlassie18 "I think either parent should pay child support to the parent who has custody...you don't want to then don't let the woman get pregnant, its very simple. "
@williwo you are not left in the dark, no matter what a woman tells you, you should use protection anyway. stop playing the victim role, you are just as responsible!
@justicecarly Uh YEAH DUH! I know I'm partly responsible, so why dont you shut your piehole. You want to hide from YOUR responsibility. So you choose to ditch the kid altogether. YOU are just as responsible as long as its not rape.
@williwo but it is in HER body, sorry bub, but life is not always fair. you can't tell a woman what to do with HER body. the best way to 'protect' your sperm/DNA is to keep in YOUR body...by keeping your dick in your pants.
@justicecarly A. Its not JUST the woman's body. Thats being intellectually dishonest. Especially when we're talking 7, 8, 9 months. B. It doesnt matter if its in HER body. It's still mine. When you put an object of yours in a person's car, does that automatically make it theirs? Of Course not. Sorry but if I sleep with you/bang you, I'm LENDING DNA to you for creation purposes. That doesnt make it yours. and that doesnt make the baby yours alone either.
@justicecarly Also by your logic the man never really has any authority over a kid at all. After all, it came from YOUR body remember. Then doesnt that mean its your responsibility and not the mans? Sorry, But you cant have it both ways.
@justicecarly We're not just gonna keep our dicks in our pants. Theres a reason why I have a dick. As a man I was meant to insert myself and give it to you and as Woman you were meant to take and receive it. Thats just how it is. I didnt make it like that. If I fuck a woman and pump MY sperm in a her body, I do it WITH and WITH ONLY HER CONSENT. Its 50/50...divided responsibility. I take my part...But if she allows me to insert myself in her....she has her part as well
@williwo no more than women keeping their legs closed, however, its not 50/50 it is both being 100% responsible. You both play a part here; which is why I say it goes both ways. However since you can't control her body, you need to decide for yourself if you want to be a father or not and take responsible precautions.
@justicecarly Well no Shit, thats what I've been saying the whole time. Maybe you should try reading your earlier comments of filth on here. I dont WANT to control her body. I just want to make sure the proper decision is made regarding my child. thats all i want. do u understand that?
"....unless ofcourse he has had like 5 kids then it's like use a frigging condom or get the snip"
tells me you still put mens equality up to a litmus test. As in, "If it doesn't cost too much, men can have equal rights to women". This is frequently used to justify denying men equal reproductive freedom (the assumption being SOMEONE has to support mommy, if not Daddy, then the State will have to)...
I have been reading some of your comments and I must say that its interesting. I am firmly against abortion because I believe all life is valuable (personal experience). Correct me if i am wrong...which i know you will.. but are you saying that if women who have the choice of having a baby or aborting, that men show have the choice or "paying for it"?
@tiagih21 What I'm saying is that as long as women have a means to avoid unwanted parenthood - even after birth, let alone conception - that men should enjoy the same or equivalent rights.
Meaning, if you can't force a woman to take care of a child she doesn't want, then you shouldn't be able to force a man to either - be it financially or otherwise.
Frankly, this whole debate is about whether men should be forced to finance women's choice...I don't believe they should.
@factory2590 its HIS choice too, after all...he had sex without protection, so who's fault is that? you get a woman pregnant due to you not being responsible and you blame her? you're fucking smoking.
@factory2590 you are financing your choice when you decided to have UNPROTECTED SEX or practice YOUR other options to BIRTH CONTROL. As long as men feel that they have no responsibility in this matter, they will continue to suffer the consequences of being SEXUALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.
@justicecarly You sound like a Goddamn Feminist. You all want to be treated like men......Then you should be treated like men in EVERY way then. You all carry a child for 9 months and give birth, kudos to you. But the courts and government always side in your favor while they nail the man regardless of whether he deserves it. Being a male isnt as easy as you think. You all want equality to men but you still dont want to be held to the same standard. You want to have your cake and eat it too
Men opt out by not being there for their children. Women opt out by not being there for their children as well.
This is why we need tests to see if the couple should have children. If you get less than 80% on the test...mandatory sterilization for 5 years. Then you can take another test.
Men DO remove themselves from parental responsibility -they walk out the door. Women don't have that choice, she can't walk away from her own pregnancy -except with abortion. I do think it's messed up that the courts show bias for the mother, even when she is less fit as a parent, in custody cases. That needs to be stopped, and people are standing up for father's rights. Perhaps if people made stable relationships before they start having babies, we wouldn't have to discuss this at all.
@Bardlettt Men do not have legal rights in this area at all. Women have 11 forms of birth control (to mens one), Abortion, Baby-drop-off-centres, and Adoption (not counting simply giving Dad custody - which oddly enough women tend to not do even when adopting out....avoiding Child Support perhaps?). Men have nothing.
Blaming men for 'choosing wrong' is sort of like telling women to keep their legs together if they don't want a kid, is it not?
@factory2590 Why would someone try to give custody to a father who walked out on a pregnancy? You're bringing in an argument for a different issue. I don't know if I'd go as far as to say drop off centers and adoption are "birth control" seeing as they can only be used after birth. Choosing the wrong what? You mean leaving? No, it's not like keeping her legs closed, because the male still got what he wanted out of it - sex.
@factory2590 Murder and manslaughter are both charges for killing a person, but they carry two distinct sentences and prosecutions. If you want to call me a troll, that's fine, I'd rather be a troll than retarded.
@Bardlettt If you want to argue, at least try and make sense. Custody, fatherhood, parental rights, and reproductive rights are all intertwined. They are all also, by the way, the traditionally female spheres of influence.
And although I wouldn't strictly class your lack of comprehension of this fact as 'retarded', it certainly qualifies as 'misinformed' at best.
Incidentally, the lack of legal equality in these areas is indisputable, and frankly indefensible as well.
@factory2590 does not matter how many choices women have, you still have a choice or two, actually you have 3 . KEEP IT IN YOUR FUCKING PANTS, GET YOUR FUCKING BALLS SNIPPED, OR WEAR A FUCKING CONDOM! GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE with your bullshit!
@reTARDbelq1 it is you, why get a woman pregnant, knowing that you are not fit or want to be a parent? see what a fucking nut you are? keep in mind, im not the one here bitching about forced parenthood when it is not forced but by your own doing. grow up jerkoff; hell maybe if you jerked off instead of jerking in, you would not be in the position that your stupid ass is in!
@rebelq1 And I'll say it again, not wearing a CONDOM is not a mistake but being foolish/irresponsible. Simple. no pitty here bub. sorry. This is y the courts don't side with men, u think u can just get your fuck on n bounce. whenever u don't use condoms, consequences will & can result. It is not the woman's responsibly 2 decide if a man wants 2 b a father or not. That decision is YOURS & if u hit it without exercising YOUR responsibility & choices n birth control then that's your fault not hers
@retardbelq1 It is not bullshit, like it or not, all has to be accountable, who the fuck do you think you are that you can just impregnate a woman and walk off smelling like a rose? This is why I feel no pitty for you PIGS. BIRTH CONTROL is not solely the responsibility of the woman why not get your fucking balls snipped? You pigs are so up on getting your rocks off you don't think about protecting yourselves from STD's how stupid are you? Exercise your options and stop complaining.
@justicecarly "It is not bullshit, like it or not, all has to be accountable, who the fuck do you think you are that you can just impregnate a woman and walk off smelling like a rose? This is why I feel no pitty for you PIGS. BIRTH CONTROL is not solely the responsibility of the woman why not get your fucking balls snipped? You pigs are so up on getting your rocks off you don't think about protecting yourselves from STD's how stupid are you? Exercise your options and stop complaining. "
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Norway recently withdrew all the funding to so called "gender studies" in scientific research much due to a documentary "hjernevask" (Brainwash) shown on National Tv NRK. It shines the light on how feminism do not hold up to science when faced with biology and psychology.
sweden still keeps up the gender fascism.
The show has English subtitles and should be seen and spread by anybody antifeminist and interested in the present nordic situation.
Just search " hjernevask english " on youtube.
crangdaniel 1 week ago
Think twice before sleeping with a woman. The cost may be too high.
gdcat777 2 weeks ago
Your thoughts on the subject are good but this one is a true dilema and there is no easy solution. On this one, one side is going to get more no matter how you structure it.
justvisiting1979 4 months ago
If she didn't get the abortion, then he shouldn't be paying child support. I'm a female and I'm very sick of women. I get that women have been through a lot, but the way many of us treat men is unfair, unjust and downright wrong. I'm not talking about rape victims. Most abortions are from women who willingly had sex without decent protection or any at all. It was her choice to have sex, it was her choice to keep the baby and it should be his choice to not pay for it.
EllaKathryn 4 months ago
@EllaKathryn fuck, i couldnt agree more! but dont say "many of US" i dont want 2 b associated with a bunch of cows.
u do realise tho that it was also his choice to have sex, dont u? aka equal responsibility. which SHOULD mean equal rights. a woman can absolve responsibility thru abortion, but what if the guy doesnt want a child? he cant force her to get an abortion, but he should be able to refuse all responsibility! if she still does it even tho he doesnt want 2, she shud leave him out of it.
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pitster110 3 weeks ago
I am a loyal user of birth control and I've never had unsafe sex. Me and my man talked it over months before my first time, and if I ever became pregnant, I would not want an abortion. He understands. That's why we waited until we were in a relationship before having sex so that we knew we'd be on the same page (I've never been with anyone else) and we've always been careful.
EllaKathryn 4 months ago
in my opinion im pro-choice, i believe in womens rights. NO ONE out there knows what these women go through ESPECIALLY if they were raped. no MAN has the right to tell a woman what she should do with her body!only SHE knows whats right FOR HER!! she should be the one to decide for herself. if she regrets it later on in life thats HER problem but NO ONE should tell HER what she HAS TO DO!! its HER life. and HER body and HER decision!! but in NOT FOR PARTIAL ABORTION to me that is murder!!
monica2ization 4 months ago
@monica2ization men shud b able 2 have a say in the abortion issue - what ur saying is sexist. im a girl but ive never been pregnant so i also dont understand what these women go thru. does that make my opinion invalid too?
ur right: no man has the right 2 tell a woman (or anyone else for that matter) what she shud do with her body, but if he doesnt want the child, he shud b able to absolve all responsibility, in the same way a woman can thru abortion. that doesnt mean he can FORCE her to get 1
TheBgoz 2 months ago
@TheBgoz finally someone understands what im saying. i didnt think you would agree either
pitster110 3 weeks ago
@monica2ization wow, i think you have a problem with men. try to get help with that.
no one wants to force women to give an abortion or not....... we are talking about aborting RESPONSIBILITY
most women get abortions to avoid responailbity for a kid,,,,, and thus a man should have eqaul rights to do the same.
ditto on adoption.
you sound like most women...... so concerd about men telling what to do...... when i dont see any man trying to make you do anything you dont want to do.
fireblazzerx 2 months ago
@monica2ization no one wants to force a women to do anything........ execpt give up your sexist special treatment and take full responability for your actions for once.
i find it disgusting that women are so focused on avoding responsiliby for there share. stop worrying about men telling you what to do..... becuase they arnt trying to..
start worrying about what your own gender is doing to men EXTACTLY WHAT YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT.
your insecruitys are pethetic
fireblazzerx 2 months ago
@monica2ization your right its her body her choice andher responsibility and men should not be forced to follow threw with whatever choice she makes sense she wants to have full responsibility and doesnt need anybody else. no one is saying they want to make a women get a abortion we are saying that men should have a choice if they want to have anything to do with the kid just like women do.
pitster110 3 weeks ago
wached most of your videos, love your clear and unapologetic voice, we need about 500 milion like you who talk back against the constant brainwashing we are all subject to, and a change will surely come.
keep on posting!
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qwertytalkszee 7 months ago
@qwertytalkszee Aw, anonymous internet fugly doesn't like me. Oh whatever will I do?
factory2590 7 months ago
@factory2590 Do nothing. I'm merely trying to open up your eyes to the way in which you represent yourself. Whether you believe in men's rights, etc. We should all be working together. Try being accepting and cooperative instead of putting out these ideologic and really quite malicious messages into the world to see. Your hatred has accomplished nothing. So I guess continue to be closed minded inside your own little reverie and doubtfully some day others w actual intellect will agree with u
qwertytalkszee 6 months ago
@qwertytalkszee Yeah yeah. Fuck off now concern troll...
factory2590 6 months ago
@factory2590 I'm curious as to how to you were socialized to come to believe your vacuous conjectures to be valid. What's your educational background?
qwertytalkszee 6 months ago
BTW, to claim a right you must have an interest in it. I give credit 4 this idea to Peter Singer. Anyway, dogs shouldn't have a right to vote because they have no interest in voting, nor any conception of it whatsoever. Women on the other had, do have interests in voting, therefore they should have the right to vote. I think it rather absurd to assert a dog should have a right to vote. Men have no interest in abortion bc they cannot have one. Thus they shouldnt claim a right to an abortion
qwertytalkszee 6 months ago
@qwertytalkszee "Men have no interest in abortion bc they cannot have one. Thus they shouldnt claim a right to an abortion"
That's the worst example of 'reasoning' I have ever seen.
You ask how edumacated I am in a prior post...
My answer: Obviously a fuck of a lot better than you.
factory2590 6 months ago
@factory2590 I gave credit to that reasoning to Peter Singer, and I merely agree with him. Peter Singer is brilliant philosopher. He is a professor of bioethics at Princeton University. Are you really that benighted to surmise yourself to be more "edumacated" and well reasoned than he?
qwertytalkszee 6 months ago
@qwertytalkszee If his 'reasoning' is that men don't care about abortion, or reproduction or the issues around it, because we can't have one...then not only will I say I'm more 'edumacated' than him, but moreover he's a fucking moron and I would be more than happy to stand in front of an auditorium of his peers and prove as much.
Is that equivocal enough for you?
factory2590 6 months ago
Unfortunately, in this patriarchal society this will never happen. Until then, I only fuck women in the ass. Can't get ass-pregnant.
ryanator420 7 months ago
A womans body is not for ownership, end of discussion.
opalrok 7 months ago
@opalrok And? So what?
Oh, wait, you were implying that MRAs want to 'own' women.
In that case, go fuck yourself, you manhating bitch...
factory2590 7 months ago
@factory2590 I don't hate men, I am one. I like how you assumed anyone who disagrees with your point of view must be a woman though. Go fuck yourself, you misogynistic idiot.
opalrok 7 months ago
@opalrok No I assume that female supremacists are women...
Because very few men are stupid enough to enthusiastically support their own destruction...
Like you.
factory2590 7 months ago
@factory2590 'Female supremacist'. Aha, you make me laugh. I believe men and women are equalled, neither more supreme nor valuable than the other. I don't choose to identify myself as a ‘feminist’; I'm an equal rights campaigner like you. I find it odd however that you are so angry at this supposed 'female supremacy' whilst for years prior men have reigned 'supreme' over women. It seems you're angry that the power / control balance is finally levelling out.
opalrok 7 months ago
@opalrok "It seems you're angry that the power / control balance is finally levelling out."
Show me an area anywhere in society where men are doing as well as women. Then you can show me why you call it 'levelling out'.
In the meantime, I'll continue to call you a female supremacist, because that's what you are. Why you are so self-loathing as to take the position you did is none of my concern. And I don't care.
factory2590 7 months ago
@factory2590 Don't worry though champ, one day we'll put those darn women back in thier place, right under the thumb.
opalrok 7 months ago
@opalrok Curiously monochromatic view of the world you have there. Also a bit telling that you chose to characterize MRAs as wanting to 'put women in their place'. Can't come up with a new bogeyman this fast?
MRAs want equal legal rights to women. We want either the abolishment of affirmative action, or the EQUAL application (meaning health and education). We want equal parental and reproductive rights.
But shit like that exposes you for the hypocrite you are, so you ignore it.
factory2590 7 months ago
@factory2590 Also a bit telling that you continuously group yourself with an organisation as opposed to taking direct criticism to your person. 'chose to characterize MRA's', I was characterising you, you insecure shit.
opalrok 7 months ago
@opalrok Oh. Well, then you are mischaracterizing me, not MRAs. Either way you're still a hateful little troll. And ignorant of history. And seemingly incapable of reason.
I know what you are, concern troll. I've dealt with fetid assholes like you for years.
You're irrelevant. Go act superior somewhere else.
factory2590 7 months ago
@factory2590 And I've known many vapid coffee shop revolutionaries like yourself over the years, whine and complain about the world in which they live, growing bitter and pathetic with every triumph of the opposition, hoping someone somewhere will listen to their two-bit ideology.
opalrok 7 months ago
I'd also like to point out that, it's it's either 100% or 0% choice. Meaning, women have either a 100% say or a 0% say. In the case that women have 100% say, the man has 0%. In the case that women have 0% say, a man has 100% say. I don't know how you expect to have it be 50/50. You can't abort a baby, and have it live at the same time. It can only be 100/0. So who gets the 100% say? The woman.
ImaginarYxGoddesS 8 months ago
@ImaginarYxGoddesS "So who gets the 100% say? The woman. "
I'm fine with that, as long as you follow it with "and 100% of the responsibility is the woman's as well". If you aren't willing to go that far, then you're just looking for a way to force men to finance the choices of women.
And don't give me any shit about it being 'for the children' either. Child poverty? Women's fault. Their CHOICE after all.
Her body, her choice, her responsibility.
Want men's money? Give them choice.
factory2590 7 months ago 11
I think it all balances out.
Abortion For Woman - woman suffers REGARDLESS if she wanted it or not (trust me, she will not go on without scrutiny or some guilt).
Abortion For Man - man suffers for not having choice OR he gets a Free Get Out of Jail card.
Kept Baby For Woman - She takes care of child OR she doesn't have custody, but pays child support.
Kept Baby For Man - He takes care of child OR he doesn't have custody, but pays child support.
ImaginarYxGoddesS 8 months ago
@ImaginarYxGoddesS Of course you think it all balances out. partly because you're doing your level best to look at the issue in as beneficial of a light to women as possible.
In short, your bias is showing.
Here's the plain and simple facts:
Men do not have rights women deem central to their autonomy.
This is based PURELY on biology.
This is the ONLY exception to 'equal under the law'...at least on paper.
Screw your rationalizations. Bigot.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 I find it extremely shameful for a grown man to call a young female, as myself, a bigot. Whether I am or not. I could be 15, for all you know. Anyway, you will never understand the position a woman is in when she is pregnant. I will never understand the position you are in as a father. The only thing I can suggest is, know the woman you are having sex with.
This situation is extremely complicated and either side can sound biased if you're leaning more towards one side.
ImaginarYxGoddesS 8 months ago
@ImaginarYxGoddesS "I find it extremely shameful for a grown man to call a young female, as myself, a bigot. "
Yeah, how DARE I accuse you of hateful sexism....you're a young WOMAN after all..
It's as black and white as you can get.
Women have repro rights, men do not...based SOLELY on their sex. TEXTBOOK 'systemic discrimination'.
And all you 'equity feminists' do exactly what you are doing...
Being a hypocritical bigot.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 That's right. I get special treatment and you don't. QQ more. I love how you avoid the rest of the valid points I made. That's because you don't have an answer. You're just a big baby crying about feminism. Why don't you make a video that helps men to overcome these things and helps them to figure out ways to change the inequality. However, for abortion, there can only be one decision. Not two.
ImaginarYxGoddesS 8 months ago
@factory2590 ALSO, we don't have equal rights when it comes to war. We cannot sign the document to be drafted and we are not allowed to fight on the battlefield. I would love to sign that and be equal, but it can't be so. Women and men are different. We cannot be equal on everything. That is the way it is. Especially when only one decision can be made when aborting a child.
ImaginarYxGoddesS 8 months ago
@ImaginarYxGoddesS I try to sit here and actually address the situation with an open-mind and the affects of both sides. It seems to me that YOU are biased. If I am not saying men have 100% full rights on my body as much as I do, you are not satisfied. Just accept that this matter is complex and you can't just say men have a right to tell the woman the baby HAS to live. Fact of the matter is, the only hardships a man faces during pregnancy is that he doesn't have a choice. The rest is on us.
ImaginarYxGoddesS 8 months ago
There are just some things in life that men and women can't be equal on (i.e. women can't fight in war). I think men should have say about abortion, but ultimately, I think the woman's final choice is whether she has an abortion or not. It's just her body, and I know a man suffers here, because it's not his body, but that's just what I think.
ImaginarYxGoddesS 8 months ago
@AngryActivist45 ...missed this one...
So, find that jurisdiction yet, or are you still in denial?
factory2590 8 months ago
weareequals(dot)org is all i have to say to this!
sillykatz 8 months ago
ummm, i believe men do receive reproductive rights to their junk! there are places in the south that pharmacists and doctors can say no to giving a woman an abortion or birth control where a man has absolutely no problem what so ever! i believe a man can wave his right to taking care of a child and guess what he can and nobody says anything. but if you think women have more reproductive rights than a man, you are soooo full of yourself!
sillykatz 8 months ago
@sillykatz Tell you what, you find me one jurisdiction anywhere in the western world, where a man can avoid having to finance some skank's family just cause she wants to have a kid, even though he doesn't.
When men can choose to be a parent on the same level women can, THEN and ONLY then is there 'equality'.
All you and every other feminist alive is doing, is trying to fool men into thinking there's no problem here.
You're a liar, and a hypocrite, and deserving of the most vitriolic contempt.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 my sister, how about that douche bag!
sillykatz 8 months ago
@sillykatz Your sister is an entire jurisdiction? She should lose weight. And you should read a Dictionary.
Uh...douche bag.
factory2590 8 months ago
What an idiot, I just can't believe what I hear. He should abort himself if he's so determined to have a right to abortion.
trzynasciegroszy 9 months ago
@retarded whore
You're acting like you want to get aborted!
rationalway 9 months ago
@trzynasciegroszy "He should abort himself if he's so determined to have a right to abortion."
Should we say the same thing to women then?
factory2590 8 months ago
OMG I just watched a video about abortion coercion , which to me is saying that men not ready for parenthood are now also "abusers", and masking itself as an anti-abortion argument (christian feminists obviously)...which as we know is impossible (anyone, male or female can be an asshole, right?) but probably a very small fraction of the actual population. I wish I could post the link :(
apopuffkin1717 9 months ago
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runtubefantasy 11 months ago
@runtubefantasy Because war and religious cleansing is any different.
MephistoIsMyGod 11 months ago
@retarded whore
Men aren't your own personal workers or protectors. If the man doesn't want to be a father then he needs to have the right to legally force the stinking whore that's carrying his unwanted kid into an abortion and child support is the responsibility of the parent who wants the kid only!
rebelq1 10 months ago
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runtubefantasy 10 months ago
@retarded whore
Men need to have the right to legally force the stinking whore that's carrying thei unwanted kid into abortion if they don't want to have a child against their own will!
If a man makes a mistake, I don't want him punished with a child!
rebelq1 10 months ago
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runtubefantasy 10 months ago
@retarded whore
You won't have to worry about being forced into an abortion if you cooperate or get spayed!
That fetus isn't your property! You It's not your choice to make him a father against his own will!
rebelq1 10 months ago
@rebelq1 its HER BODY!!! sorry but he has no right to force an abortion on her. yes i am pro choice and yes i believe a man can (and should) wave his rights if he's not ready to be a father, but its her body not his, he has no owner ship of her body! just like a man does not have the right to stop an abortion he doesn't have the right to make her get one, it doesn't work that way, thats just logical biology, baby grows in her body not his!
sillykatz 8 months ago
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You reject the child’s critical development time within the womb–that’s the reason for the abortion!So time within that environment does matter to you.You can’t avoid the absurd contradiction.Either time as a child present within the environment of the mother’s womb matters or it does not.If this issue was irrelevant to the abortion argument,both humans would have the same legal “rights”.
angelshoulders 8 months ago
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So,if mother &daughter swapped places(putting the mother into her daughter’s womb),then the daughter would have the “legal right” to abort her mother.If you say no she doesn’t have the right to abort her,you’ve just contradicted yourself, b/c there’s one body within the other.If you say yes she can,you’ve also contradicted yourself b/c you’ve now upheld the bodily autonomy of the daughter.What’s it gonna be?
angelshoulders 8 months ago
@AngryActivist45 No, actually, you're so far away from right you can't even see it. But you act like you are quite well....which makes you an excellent liar.
The point is, you can't show one iota of truth to your claim, can't back it up in any jurisdiction in the World, and can't even show anything remotely resembling your contention.
Which is why you told ME to prove YOUR claim for you, then declared "victory".
Which means you're also catastrophically bad at debate.
factory2590 1 year ago
@AngryActivist45 "Before you fire off at the mouth and sound like a dumb ass, do some research. This isn't a debate. You know I'm right. "
Actually no, I called you out on your bullshit, stating there is no jurisdiction anywhere where your contention is correct.
I stand by that.
So how exactly am I supposed to go out and prove your contention?
Especially since I already know it's a load of shit?
You can't back up your claims, because you're a liar.
End of story.
factory2590 1 year ago
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Torgo1969 1 year ago
As the wise man Marc Rudov says, "Her body, her choice, her responsibility, her wallet."
Torgo1969 1 year ago
@Torgo1969
that's not her body, you retard!
it's not her choice whether she wants to make him a father against his own will!
rebelq1 1 year ago
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@rebelq1 With all due respect, I sincerely don't know why you disagree with my post. If women have all the choice in this matter, they should carry all of the burden of child care and support. If women can opt out of parenthood by abortion or dropping off the baby at at hospital or fire station, then justice demands that men be granted the same right to opt out and evade responsibility.
BTW, I dig your channel. Follow Freeman!
Portal 2 is out in April!
Torgo1969 1 year ago
@rebelq1 Hey there, I'm having a hard time PMing you, but I love your Half Life content!
Torgo1969 11 months ago
@rebelq1 how the hell is it not her body? please explain in perfect scientific terms how it is not hers? have you ever taken a biology class? just wondering!
sillykatz 8 months ago
@silly twat
A baby in the womb is another human being not some extension of her anatomy just because it's connected with an umbilical cord!
rebelq1 8 months ago
@sillykatz That is an absolute absurdity in circular reasoning. Do they really expect the embryonic human being to change their own environment/development process?
By rejecting developmental differences of human beings, one stage of human development is equated with every other. “Being a child doesn’t matter”, thus they assume a pro-life premise: all humans are “equal”. Time doesn’t matter.
angelshoulders 8 months ago
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@Torgo1969
Her body
Her choice
The baby's life!!
angelshoulders 8 months ago
i don't think i could agree with you more. men should never be forced into fatherhood.
froggymicwop 1 year ago
@AngryActivist45 Not correct. Any woman can demand support from the child's father whether he chooses to be in the child's life or not. The law will not release him from the responsibility simply because he is willing to give up any rights to the child. Where this usually occurs is when there is another man willing to legally take the responsibility off the father and adopt the child, as when a woman with a child marries or remarries.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
@retarded whore
men don't enslave themselves into unwanted parenting. It's the state who forces them to pay or go to jail.
Use YOUR worthless brain.
rebelq1 1 year ago
@retarded whore 45
america enslaves men into unwanted parenthood by forcing them to pay child support or threatening them with kidnapping and imprisonment and you know that well
quit bullshitting!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@AngryActivist45 Again, I'm still noticing your failure to back up your claims.
factory2590 1 year ago
@AngryActivist45 Which, of course, is you 'declining' to answer...because you fucking CAN'T and you know it. There is not one jurisdiction anywhere in the western world in which men have anything even APPROXIMATING female reproductive rights.
And sexist assholes like you are just fine with it.
To the point where you will lie to others, to defend this state of affairs.
I don't believe, for a second, that you are 'mistaken'.
No, you are deliberately lying. Which makes you an asshole.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 you're right...the only men spared are the ones where the female had enough integrity and logic to know he has a choice in this too. At 19 I decided to have the child I was pregnant with, the man I was dating was obviously not ready for the responsibility - so I let him know that this was my decision and gave him the option to walk away, without shame or blame. I knew it was MY choice, and it didn't have to be his. Didn't collect aid either, bcuz it was MY choice, not taxpayers.
apopuffkin1717 9 months ago
@factory2590 We resent that the value of a woman is determined by whether some man wants us, yet we declare that the value of an unborn child is determined by whether someone wants him. We resent that as women we have been 'owned' by our husbands, yet insist that the unborn are 'owned' by us. We believe that a man's right to do what he pleases with his own body cannot include the right to sexually exploit women, yet proclaim a our similar right means we can kill our unborn child
angelshoulders 8 months ago
@angelshoulders "We believe that a man's right to do what he pleases with his own body cannot include the right to sexually exploit women, yet proclaim a our similar right means we can kill our unborn child"
More to the point, you claim women have a right to do as she pleases with her body, and a man has a responsibility to 'his' child. Men have no right to self determination in a feminist world.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 Both parents need to take responsiblity for their own action. They both know that SEX ALWAYS=POSSIBILITY OF PREGNANCY. They both helped to create their own flesh & blood baby. Men must take just as much responsibility as the other. Mother's need to do right by their living unborn human babies, not killing them & men must man up, taking his share of the raising & financial costs. I despise feminism!
angelshoulders 8 months ago
@angelshoulders You are arguing "shoulds". Women HAVE those rights right now. Men do not. This is rank sexism, full stop.
YOU disagree with abortion, but this is not the 'abortion debate'.
WHATEVER rights women have, men should have. No matter what they are. Assholes like you seem to think men don't need or deserve equal rights.
Which is why I hope assholes like you get what SHOULD be coming to you. In spades.
factory2590 8 months ago
@angelshoulders
Another retarded whore! Child support is the responsibility of the parent who wants the child ONLY!
What kind of remark is that anyway 'man up'? Men aren't sperm banks to impregnate some stupid whore an then be forced into unwanted parenthood at her own convenience!
rebelq1 8 months ago
@rebelq1
Then use a condom you fucking moron
mfentruck 5 months ago
@mfentruck
Fuck you!
rebelq1 5 months ago
@rebelq1
Actually I don't think that a man should have to pay child support if he doesn't want the child and the woman does, it seems only fair.
But anyway, fuck you as well.
mfentruck 5 months ago
@AngryActivist45 No he can't. He can do so at the request of the mother, and that's IT.
Basically, I'm calling you a big fat fucking liar.
Prove there's even one jurisdiction anywhere in North America a man can do this...
I dare you.
Liarface.
factory2590 1 year ago
I am a feminist but I do agree that if a women wants the baby but the man doesn't, he shouldn't be forced to pay for it (....unless ofcourse he has had like 5 kids then it's like use a frigging condom or get the snip) just like if a women wants an abortion and the man doesn't he has no right to stop her.
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18 I dont know......If I have sex with a woman and impregnate her with my sperm ,I feel I at least have the right to know wats going on regarding abortion. Thats my DNA and baby as well as hers.
williwo 1 year ago
@williwo I don't agree...women if taken to full term carry the baby (which takes it's toll) and then become the primary care giver so they should be able to decide.
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18 I said I at least have the right to know. Thats only fair. And I respect you as a woman because you carry our DNA after we have our one night of pleasure with you. I'm just saying I dont think I should be completely left in the dark.
williwo 1 year ago
@williwo aw right, well then yes ofcourse.
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18
Men need to have the right to legally force women into an abortion if they don't want to have a child against their own will and child support is the responsibility of the parent who has custody of the child only!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@rebelq1 You have got to be joking me?! My mother was forced into an abortion when she was 20 and regrets it everyday, to enforce that onto a woman is just sick. Abortion isn't a quick fix, its painful physically and emotionally for many women and the guilt can tear them apart. If a man doesn't want a baby so much so he would want the right to FORCE a woman to kill her baby then he should try harder to not get the girl pregnant, accidents DON'T just happen. Wear a condom or get the snip.
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18
"then he should try harder to not get the girl pregnant, accidents DON'T just happen. Wear a condom or get the snip."
Wow, that's sexist as hell. First off, guys don't make women pregnant...what really happens, is when a man and woman love each other very much, they take their private parts and bump them together..
BOTH parties are doing it...the man is not the only one. To frame this as 'he did this to her' is utter bullshit.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 That's not what I'm saying here...of course both are responsible and should know what they are getting into when shagging but so many men put the matter of contraception onto the the woman because they hate condoms so much so she gets the blame when falls pregnant and demand an abortion. If he doesn't want to have a baby then he should use contraception, if she doesnt then she should use contraception but even better both should.
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@factory2590 To think you can get a woman pregnant and not be held accountable for your actions is utter bullshit! It takes TWO to make it happen, just like she has a choice...SO DO YOU! MY HEART DOES NOT BLEED FOR MEN WITH CHILDREN THEY DON'T WANT, AS IT IS A CONSEQUENCE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY!! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly Sure. Lets just remove the right to abortion from women while we're at it...to make things more fair. Oh, and baby-drop-offs, and Adoption as well...to make things equal.
Then, just as you're saying to men, we can say to women "If you don't want a baby, keep your legs closed"...just like back in the '50s...and JUST like you're saying to men.
OR
We could actually live up to Feminist rhetoric and let men have IDENTICAL legal rights to women.
Ya sexist bitch.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 so says the fucking idiotic dead beat bastid that does not pay his child support, why don't you remove your fucking balls so you can't contaminate the rest of the world you misogynistic piece of shit! oh and by the way, that's MS. SEXIST BITCH TO YOU FUCKWAD!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly "so says the fucking idiotic dead beat bastid that does not pay his child support, why don't you remove your fucking balls so you can't contaminate the rest of the world you misogynistic piece of shit! oh and by the way, that's MS. SEXIST BITCH TO YOU FUCKWAD!"
THIS is what a Feminist looks like.
factory2590 1 year ago
@justicecarly For once in my life I'm going to quote Insane Clown Posse.
"Bitch is a ho, and ho is a bitch.....eerrry body know she a funky, funky bitch."
williwo 1 year ago
@justicecarly Oh boo hoo! You're such the victim......the courts ALWAYS side against you.
williwo 1 year ago
@williwo williwo, what am i to do with you? lol. don't know why you are refusing to understand the reality here.like it or not, it is what it is.
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly Now you wanna play nice when someone stands up to you. I see the trash and vulgar you were using toward other people on here. You cant fool me. What the fuck is the reality? You tell me
williwo 1 year ago
@retardedbitch18
If man makes a mistake I don't want him punished with an unwanted child!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@rebelq1 If you don't children then keep it in your pants or WRAP IT UP! you force yourself into fatherhood by having unprotected sex.Birth control is a EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY. Simple as that. And no, I don't have oow kids or are a single parent. You blame the woman, well...JUST LIKE SHE CHOSE YOU...YOU CHOSE HER!!!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@rebelq1 I think either parent should pay child support to the parent who has custody...you don't want to then don't let the woman get pregnant, its very simple.
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18 I think if you want the kid, you should be willing to support it wholly. If both want the kid, that's one thing...but if SHE is the only one that wants it, then SHE should be the only one to support it.
I know it's hard to stop using men as pack mules...but can you at least try?
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 Your last comment made no sense to me...I have been saying all along if a woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt then SHE should be the only one paying.
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18 IF YOU PLAY...YOU PAY...IT IS EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly "IF YOU PLAY...YOU PAY...IT IS EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY!"
So, feminists like justicecarly here really DO think all women are whores...
factory2590 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18 "I think either parent should pay child support to the parent who has custody...you don't want to then don't let the woman get pregnant, its very simple. "
Uh huh...sure.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 and if you don't want any kids, then it us up to YOU to see to it that you don't have any! grow up!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@retardedbitch18
What you want is called slavery into unwanted parenthood!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@rebelq1 Not really, if the man wants nothing to do with the child then he should be allowed to do so, if a woman can choose then so should a man.
Charmedlassie18 1 year ago
@rebelq1 YOU SHOULD BE LEGALLY FORCED TO HAVE YOUR FUCKING BALLS CLIPPED, THEN YOU WONT CONTAMINATE THE REST OF THE WORLD!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly
Nah, that would fit you better!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@rebelq1 I beg to differ sir as I am not the one with said issue here.
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly "YOU SHOULD BE LEGALLY FORCED TO HAVE YOUR FUCKING BALLS CLIPPED, THEN YOU WONT CONTAMINATE THE REST OF THE WORLD!"
THIS is what a Feminist looks like.
factory2590 1 year ago
@williwo you are not left in the dark, no matter what a woman tells you, you should use protection anyway. stop playing the victim role, you are just as responsible!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly Uh YEAH DUH! I know I'm partly responsible, so why dont you shut your piehole. You want to hide from YOUR responsibility. So you choose to ditch the kid altogether. YOU are just as responsible as long as its not rape.
williwo 1 year ago
@williwo but it is in HER body, sorry bub, but life is not always fair. you can't tell a woman what to do with HER body. the best way to 'protect' your sperm/DNA is to keep in YOUR body...by keeping your dick in your pants.
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly THIS is the feminist 'equality' they crow about so much...but feel 'misunderstood' about.....
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 opinions vary...
justicecarly 1 year ago
@factory2590 if you say so...does not mean it's true.
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly A. Its not JUST the woman's body. Thats being intellectually dishonest. Especially when we're talking 7, 8, 9 months. B. It doesnt matter if its in HER body. It's still mine. When you put an object of yours in a person's car, does that automatically make it theirs? Of Course not. Sorry but if I sleep with you/bang you, I'm LENDING DNA to you for creation purposes. That doesnt make it yours. and that doesnt make the baby yours alone either.
williwo 1 year ago
@justicecarly Also by your logic the man never really has any authority over a kid at all. After all, it came from YOUR body remember. Then doesnt that mean its your responsibility and not the mans? Sorry, But you cant have it both ways.
williwo 1 year ago
@justicecarly We're not just gonna keep our dicks in our pants. Theres a reason why I have a dick. As a man I was meant to insert myself and give it to you and as Woman you were meant to take and receive it. Thats just how it is. I didnt make it like that. If I fuck a woman and pump MY sperm in a her body, I do it WITH and WITH ONLY HER CONSENT. Its 50/50...divided responsibility. I take my part...But if she allows me to insert myself in her....she has her part as well
williwo 1 year ago
@williwo no more than women keeping their legs closed, however, its not 50/50 it is both being 100% responsible. You both play a part here; which is why I say it goes both ways. However since you can't control her body, you need to decide for yourself if you want to be a father or not and take responsible precautions.
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly Well no Shit, thats what I've been saying the whole time. Maybe you should try reading your earlier comments of filth on here. I dont WANT to control her body. I just want to make sure the proper decision is made regarding my child. thats all i want. do u understand that?
williwo 1 year ago
@Charmedlassie18 things like this:
"....unless ofcourse he has had like 5 kids then it's like use a frigging condom or get the snip"
tells me you still put mens equality up to a litmus test. As in, "If it doesn't cost too much, men can have equal rights to women". This is frequently used to justify denying men equal reproductive freedom (the assumption being SOMEONE has to support mommy, if not Daddy, then the State will have to)...
Just sayin'
factory2590 1 year ago
ABORTION RIGHTS FOR MEN = NO MORE ACCIDENTS
DO NOT USE HER CONDOMS - USE ONLY YOUR OWN CONDOMS.
PUT HABANERO SAUCE INTO THE CONDOM AFTER YOU HAVE SEX.
DO THIS IN THE BATHROOM AND LEAVE THE CONDOM THERE.
THE HABANERO SAUCE WILL KILL THE SPERM AND BURN HER
HOLE IF SHE TRIES TO STEAL YOUR SPERM.
halliburtoncrusher 1 year ago
@halliburtoncrusher then you get sued. dummy, why not FLUSH the condom down the toliet? wow thinking is very hard for some of you 'men'.
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly "then you get sued. dummy, why not FLUSH the condom down the toliet? wow thinking is very hard for some of you 'men'."
THIS is what a Feminist looks like
factory2590 1 year ago
I have been reading some of your comments and I must say that its interesting. I am firmly against abortion because I believe all life is valuable (personal experience). Correct me if i am wrong...which i know you will.. but are you saying that if women who have the choice of having a baby or aborting, that men show have the choice or "paying for it"?
tiagih21 1 year ago
@tiagih21 What I'm saying is that as long as women have a means to avoid unwanted parenthood - even after birth, let alone conception - that men should enjoy the same or equivalent rights.
Meaning, if you can't force a woman to take care of a child she doesn't want, then you shouldn't be able to force a man to either - be it financially or otherwise.
Frankly, this whole debate is about whether men should be forced to finance women's choice...I don't believe they should.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 ok i can agree with that
tiagih21 1 year ago
@factory2590 its HIS choice too, after all...he had sex without protection, so who's fault is that? you get a woman pregnant due to you not being responsible and you blame her? you're fucking smoking.
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly "you're fucking smoking."
You're fucking crazy.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 you are financing your choice when you decided to have UNPROTECTED SEX or practice YOUR other options to BIRTH CONTROL. As long as men feel that they have no responsibility in this matter, they will continue to suffer the consequences of being SEXUALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly As long as men have no rights in this area, they should have no responsibilities either.
"No Rights without Responsibilities" is sort of a basic civil precept after all...
factory2590 1 year ago
It's a woman's job to breed our children!! Should us men be made to pay for them? Hell no!!
billthemisogynist 1 year ago
@billthemisogynist if its the woman's job to breed; then it is your fucking job to pay. you should have your fucking ball snipped!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@justicecarly You sound like a Goddamn Feminist. You all want to be treated like men......Then you should be treated like men in EVERY way then. You all carry a child for 9 months and give birth, kudos to you. But the courts and government always side in your favor while they nail the man regardless of whether he deserves it. Being a male isnt as easy as you think. You all want equality to men but you still dont want to be held to the same standard. You want to have your cake and eat it too
williwo 1 year ago
@justicecarly "if its the woman's job to breed; then it is your fucking job to pay. you should have your fucking ball snipped!"
THIS is what a Feminist looks like.
factory2590 1 year ago
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billthemisogynist 1 year ago
Men opt out by not being there for their children. Women opt out by not being there for their children as well.
This is why we need tests to see if the couple should have children. If you get less than 80% on the test...mandatory sterilization for 5 years. Then you can take another test.
faetrn 1 year ago
Men DO remove themselves from parental responsibility -they walk out the door. Women don't have that choice, she can't walk away from her own pregnancy -except with abortion. I do think it's messed up that the courts show bias for the mother, even when she is less fit as a parent, in custody cases. That needs to be stopped, and people are standing up for father's rights. Perhaps if people made stable relationships before they start having babies, we wouldn't have to discuss this at all.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@Bardlettt Men do not have legal rights in this area at all. Women have 11 forms of birth control (to mens one), Abortion, Baby-drop-off-centres, and Adoption (not counting simply giving Dad custody - which oddly enough women tend to not do even when adopting out....avoiding Child Support perhaps?). Men have nothing.
Blaming men for 'choosing wrong' is sort of like telling women to keep their legs together if they don't want a kid, is it not?
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 Why would someone try to give custody to a father who walked out on a pregnancy? You're bringing in an argument for a different issue. I don't know if I'd go as far as to say drop off centers and adoption are "birth control" seeing as they can only be used after birth. Choosing the wrong what? You mean leaving? No, it's not like keeping her legs closed, because the male still got what he wanted out of it - sex.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@Bardlettt That is about the weakest attempt to 'misunderstand' an argument I've ever seen.
Wow, do people really fall for that?
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 You're the one who couldn't respond to the issue in question. Custody = birth control? Bit of a leap, innit?
Do men not have the choice of hiring a surrogate to carry their baby? After all, don't bitches only care about money?
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@Bardlettt
You don't see the link between reproductive rights, and parental rights?
Go away, troll.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 Murder and manslaughter are both charges for killing a person, but they carry two distinct sentences and prosecutions. If you want to call me a troll, that's fine, I'd rather be a troll than retarded.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@Bardlettt If you want to argue, at least try and make sense. Custody, fatherhood, parental rights, and reproductive rights are all intertwined. They are all also, by the way, the traditionally female spheres of influence.
And although I wouldn't strictly class your lack of comprehension of this fact as 'retarded', it certainly qualifies as 'misinformed' at best.
Incidentally, the lack of legal equality in these areas is indisputable, and frankly indefensible as well.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 does not matter how many choices women have, you still have a choice or two, actually you have 3 . KEEP IT IN YOUR FUCKING PANTS, GET YOUR FUCKING BALLS SNIPPED, OR WEAR A FUCKING CONDOM! GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE with your bullshit!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@retardedcarly
Nah, that would still fit you!
A man is the one who gets her pregnant an he can depregnate her even easier!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@reTARDbelq1 it is you, why get a woman pregnant, knowing that you are not fit or want to be a parent? see what a fucking nut you are? keep in mind, im not the one here bitching about forced parenthood when it is not forced but by your own doing. grow up jerkoff; hell maybe if you jerked off instead of jerking in, you would not be in the position that your stupid ass is in!
justicecarly 1 year ago
@retardedcarly
I'll say it again
If a man makes a mistake I don't want him punished with an unwanted child!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@rebelq1 And I'll say it again, not wearing a CONDOM is not a mistake but being foolish/irresponsible. Simple. no pitty here bub. sorry. This is y the courts don't side with men, u think u can just get your fuck on n bounce. whenever u don't use condoms, consequences will & can result. It is not the woman's responsibly 2 decide if a man wants 2 b a father or not. That decision is YOURS & if u hit it without exercising YOUR responsibility & choices n birth control then that's your fault not hers
justicecarly 1 year ago
@retardedcarly
It's BS and you know that well!
Men need to have the right to legally force women into an abortion if they don't want to have a child against their own will!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@retardbelq1 It is not bullshit, like it or not, all has to be accountable, who the fuck do you think you are that you can just impregnate a woman and walk off smelling like a rose? This is why I feel no pitty for you PIGS. BIRTH CONTROL is not solely the responsibility of the woman why not get your fucking balls snipped? You pigs are so up on getting your rocks off you don't think about protecting yourselves from STD's how stupid are you? Exercise your options and stop complaining.
justicecarly 1 year ago
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@retardedmonkey
Men need to have the right to legally force women into an abortion if they don't want to have a child against their own will!
rebelq1 1 year ago
@justicecarly "It is not bullshit, like it or not, all has to be accountable, who the fuck do you think you are that you can just impregnate a woman and walk off smelling like a rose? This is why I feel no pitty for you PIGS. BIRTH CONTROL is not solely the responsibility of the woman why not get your fucking balls snipped? You pigs are so up on getting your rocks off you don't think about protecting yourselves from STD's how stupid are you? Exercise your options and stop complaining. "
Nice..
factory2590 1 year ago