lol I don't like illegal immigration at all, but the idea that they are receiving welfare checks is fucking absurd. Prove it. Jesus Christ I hate Milton Friedman. Such a goddamn idiot. Back to my Noam Chomsky.
In my view beeing libertarian means beeing against the initiation of force against people AND the environment we need to survive,under all circumstances,but you have the right to(and should) defend yourself.Its a way of beeing,it doesnt have anithyng to do with politics.A lot of people are libertarians without knowing it,some believe they are libertarians even if they are not.If your company pours chemical waste in a river you are not really a libertarian and people should stop you with force.
I will trade a hard working immigrant for a self-entitled life long welfare recipient any day. I am not a xenophobe, I am a citizen looking to help my country prosper through freedom. We did that rather well in the late 19th and early 20th century, more so than any nation in the history of the world. We had free immigration, free trade, low taxes and low government spending (3% of GDP vs 26% today) How did we survive all of those years without government telling us how to live our lives?
as long as the "Us"'es benefit from migrant workers (mexicans) but not at the expense of the "us" in America!It's heads we win tails they lose!! But this land was stolen from the indeginous people!!
@Saebeck32 never underestimate the power of freedom and opportunity. plus, the sense of family was cherrished during those times, alot more than today. most immgrated not for them but for thier familes and future sons and daughter. hince many of todays leaders in all feilds can trace thier roots to sacrafice of past fathers and mothers.
have you ever considered getting rid of welfare and entitlement programs and keeping the immigrants? I don't want to pay for other people to sit on their ass and collect my tax dollars. But if some one does want to travel thousands of miles to get to this country and build me a deck on the back of my house for $50, then I want to be waiting for him at the bus stop.
@S955US84 : agreed, but you left out: Illegals go to emergency room for their primary care and rack up billions in unpaid bills and "free" medical care
if any one that suport the monetary market system and is realy ready to talke som critisisem without blindly dismiss all information against it so if you are realy open minded and want the truth watch this------> /watch?v=ozy52bZ6JTw
friedman was way ahead of his time, this explains exactly why the mexicans are emagrating to the U.S and its the same with emagration fruad in canada, most just want welfare, the answer, stop welfare
@wowzinger God! you're a fucking idiot, did you even understand his point? Ohh fuck you're a moron. He's saying Illegal immigration is good so long as it stays illegal. Mexicans that ocme here illegally don;t qualify for citizen benefits, are you that stupid, get you head out of your ass you lummox. Get out of this country and go back wherever your grandparents came from you asshole. this country belongs to the native americans and whoever their descendants are now.
@manuelturcios Wow what a tantrum, im fine with illegal immigrants, but its the social programs that most come for. In America and Canada, the best answer is to get rid of welfare, not to mention Milton is for free immigration.But of coarse that would be the ideal situation with out the left getting their hands in the gov and social programs vanishing and i have as much right to be in this country as you.
@quinnrasta , what are you talking about black demographic ... you see that the same misconception that is propagated to diverse the truth of the matter . in all actuality more whites are on welfare than any other ethnic .... that a stereotypical myth . speaking in realistic terms blacks was during mexicans work during slavery , jim crow , prohibition , up until the civil right era...matter the only ppl who'd benefited from it fully is the feminist and the jews .
@THEMIZKID that's not exactly true. they have even more rights/standards, since many of them are non-white, and hence, benefit from affirmative action provisions in hiring, education, and government contracting.
...so now today many illegals just live on welfare. This hurts Mexican Americans, and Mexican legal immigrants more than it hurts ANYONE else. To add insult to injury, the rest of Americans generalize all Mexicans. The very businesses that Mexican immigrants built are now closing because the neighborhoods are run down by crime from a NEW culture created in this welfare state.
Two or three decades ago it was inconceivable for a Mexican illegal to protest in the streets and demand rights. I remember how it was. You had to learn English, you had to work hard and you had to assimilate. No one had a problem with that and many of the Mexican businesses you see today were created by these people. They are now citizens and still work hard. What happened? Word got out that as long as you had lots of kids, you didn't need to work.
The only thing he doesn't bring up is that the immigrants that landed at Ellis Island INTEGRATED into the existing society... the ones that are coming up from Mexico are SUBJUGATING the areas they move into in the "culture" of Mexico, which is based on crime, corruption and graft.
@banter2345 Your a moron ignorant person, many mexicans and their families live like Americans specially after a few generations look at all the hispanic actors, athletes and business men. The reason why there is crime is natural if you would follow all the earlier immigrants that were highly discriminated like the Irish or Italians or the Chinese at one point, its just that you probably watch too much fox news. Bad news sell faster then good news, murders rapes and disasters are what sell.
@jezza1789 Speaking from someone who has lived on the US Mexico border all my life,illegal Latinos in Texas are going by the way of the black demographic.Children born to single parents are going up,where as before you had a strong family base.You would be correct a few generations back,but today we're seeing generational welfare.My grandmother was from Mexico and she worked her but off without the subsidies of the federal government.I live in the heart if immigration and its a sad sight "today"
These evil corporations that are constantly referred to are actually just legal arrangements for sharing the profits/losses among the shareholders. Shareholders are oftentimes wealthy investors or foreign nationals but also consist of large pension fund money (of "working folks") and individuals like myself who work 2 jobs and put my extra money into stocks to plan for my future. I am an owner of various corporations, which makes me an owner of America. I guess I am the face of evil & tyranny
@Json7401 You're confusing the grievance people have with large corporations--namely, that large corporations with lobbying arms have a disproportionate influence on government social and economic policy such that it favors the corporation over the real individual.
@Json7401 That's why the system works so well. Many investors are so detached from the operations of 'their' company. So if your company exposes third world workers and children to terrible working conditions it's just something abstract that is hard to imagine. Even institutional investors are far removed from these events. The overriding concern is profit. You know far more about stock price performance than how the profit is actually being made.
The world is currantly suffering from overpopulation. Up till 1914, almost all immigrants came from Europe. Today, Western Civilization is directly threatened by ISLAM and its backward tennants. It is already too late to reverse the damamge done by liberal immigration in America.
@Avalon400 You do know that there are a lot of Third World Immigrants from Asia that come to the USA and do better than the European immigrants and Americans right?
Unfortunately now a days, illegal immigrants can get welfare, medicare, ssi, etc. As long as they have kids, they can get everything from simple food stamps, to a college education for those kids at the tax payer's expense.
In 1914, most of the immigrants weren't on welfare, food stamps, etc. And they didn't get checks for being an immigrant! My grandfather came from Italy, and he worked his butt off then became a citizen! There was no FREE immigrant housing like there is now either! They lived in tenements! Hot in summer, cold in winter and crowded mostly! And What's this about no benefits? Immigrants today get PLENTY of gov't benefits! That's part of why the government is so broke! This guy is a complete moron!
@toomuchmail50 If you even listened to his argument, you would know he was trying to explain why people would "suddenly" change their views on immigration. He answered that people don't want immigrants now because we have a welfare state. You just said that is why you don't want immigrant so you seem to have just proven his point. Also if you knew anything about Friedman's ideas in general you would know that he is against welfare state ideas and policies.
@toomuchmail50 This guy, IN THIS VERY VIDEO, talks about how you can't have free immigration AND a welfare state. His solution is not to have a welfare state.
@toomuchmail50 You seem to completely miss his entire point. You just made the exact same point Mr. Friedman made!!! He is a liberatarian, who believes in free markets, and it totally against the welfare state. He is far from a moron.
@zyjelly Why are you saying that an employee that starts with a prosperous company when they are 18 and retires a 65 should not have pension. The CEO take millons annually in compensation, all top and mid-line management have good pensions, why would you object to skilled, semi skilled, and assembly worker not having one. It was not the employees who destroyed GM it was Japan having free access to our auto market, while thay tariffed GM and Ford to sell in theirs.
Our laws are not being enforced anymore! We have been sold out to be invaded by illegal foreigners. It is time for the American people to take matters into their own hands in their communities. If you know of or see any illegals or activists throw rotten eggs at them on the streets and drive off. Secretly sabotage them, slash their tires, break their windows, cause them economic damage like they are causing us. You have to make life so miserable for them that they will leave!
The difference is that at the turn of the century massive manuel labor was needed. Illegals do qualify for social benefits, Friedman is only interested in driving american wages to third world levels. The fact that 80% of all newly created wealth in the U.S. goes to 1% of the population. That 1% kept Friedman on the lecture circit, because he spreads their dogma.
@louiethegreater With all the country's wealth horded by the rich, it is truly amazing how the poor in America have on average more automobiles, larger living quarters and are more likely to have air conditioning than Europe's middle class. Even Michelle Obama would fess up that the American poor is in far greater danger of obesity than of hunger. Even calling lower income Americans poor is ludicrous by any world standard. Bottom line: capitalism rocks, socialism sucks. History doesn't lie.
@fzqlcs Are you so ignorant that you world read into my statement, that I am a socialist. The fact is that I am a dedicated supporter of Protectionist Capitalism, now I will explain to a very ignorant person that protectionist capitalism would be apposed to Laissez-faire Capitalism. A simple fix to our economy would be add a 50% tariffs to all imported goods manufactured by .57/hr third world labor. That is how the middleclass was created and the country prospered untill the 1960s.
@louiethegreater you would unduly punish consumers to protect noncompetitive jobs. i favor laissez-faire. that is to remove government restraints on production and therefore allow consumers, workers and producers to each act in their own self-interests independent of the bureaucratic elite. However, I should not inferred you to be a socialist. A collectivist would have been more precise.
@fzqlcs No I would allow the Chinese to pay of the national debt. I would end the trade deficit. I would create jobs in the U.S. instead of China. I would give domestic industries a fighting chance against .57/hr third world labor, who works without worker health and safety standards, and enviromental standards. I would give multinational corporations the pleasure of rebuilding the economy they have been destroying for 60 years. You must have flunked your economic class, I am a protectionist.
@fzqlcs Like I said you, with a doubt, flunked your economic classes. No I destribute the wealth across the general population, instead of concentrating it on Wall Street. Bet you didn't know that the wealth of the american middleclass has been redistributed to multinational corporations, for the last 60 years. Tell me was you born rich, or are you a product of the middleclass. Either way you are a Chicken Rooting for Colonal Sanders.
@louiethegreater :-( Not born rich but I do have a great life But then again,I was willing to put out the effort to earn it. Sorry that living in the land of opportunity seems so oppressive for you.
@fzqlcs No I am just puzzled at the thought of you supporting the 1% or at least the top 10% of the nations rich. We have 20 million unemployed, a enormous national debt and a unbelievable trade deficit. That has occured since Free trade became the norm. Outsourcing has devistated the lives of millions of families who earned a living in manufacureing. Is it your normal condition to root for those who choose to oppress you. Do you believe these people are just lazy and do not exert effort.
lol why am I not surprised? If you'd taken even an introductory level economics course you'd give up the insanity of protectionism. It feeds on xenophobia and nationalism, and causes economic failure and war.
@thegillotine09 How comical, that must be why protectionism worked so well in the U.S. for 200 years. Begining with the Hamilton Tariff Act of 1789. OH YES I really regret that I didn't get my brainwashing class. Did they inform you that economics is theory and not science.
@louiethegreater The extent to which the U.S. has been successful economically is the extent to which it deviated from Mercantilism of the Europe. Next you're going to say that war is a good thing since we've had a warlike government for the past 200 years, "beginning with the Revolutionary war of 1776". And we're still very protectionist, because the ignorant masses believe the populist rhetoric of power-hungry politicians. If you want to see the epitome of protectionism, check out North Korea.
@thegillotine09 It appears that you have insolationism, and protectionism mixed up. North Korea is in a similar position as Cuba, and for similar reasons, they chose to kick international investers out of their country, actually believing the resources of the country belonged to the citizens of the country. They had the audacity to believe that the Goldman-Sacks crowd had no right to them. So as a result the have been forcibly isolated through sanctions, and the undesire to privatize economy.
@louiethegreater Oh wow. That's either a legendary troll, or it's a serious case of Patriot University education, but either way it's the funniest thing I've ever heard :-) So _that's_ how the religious right reconciles its support for capitalism with its desire to suppress every other freedom. Masterful.
And in case you think I'm being unfair, I also find it mind-boggling how lefties reconcile their love of personal freedoms with their desire for a controlled economy.
@dkt80 Hey explain to me how Alexander Hamilton reconciled it when he passed the Hamilton Tariff Act of 1789. Sound like another Chicken Rooting for Colonal Sanders.
@dkt80 The slightest research and you would find that the U.S. has always had a controlled economy. We believe in Labor Unions, worker protections, envoromental protections, minimium wage, paid vacations, living wages, tariffs on imports, produced by thirdworld labor. If you do not believe in controls I hope someone builds a pig farm next door to you. and your employer works you 15 hours a day with out lunch breaks, in the hot sun, with out water.
@louiethegreater See now that attitude is why you'll never join the 1% you envy and despise. The Chinese are willing to work harder and for less money than you, which is why you'll soon be unemployed, tariffs and protectionism or no. So work harder or work smarter, but don't blame them for your laziness and/or incompetence, because they'll just grin at you. Especially when you buy their products at Walmart.
@dkt80 Hey in case you haven't noticed, you are not joining the 1% either. A 50% tariff on thirdworld goods would pay the national debt in 5 years, domestinc industries would flourish. Investment would flow into the US instead of out of the country. History could record this free market experiment of the last 60 years as a bad experience. It is apparant that free trade only works for about 10% of the worlds investers. Free Trade doesn't work, that is apparant.
@louiethegreater Wow, paying US debt at the expense of the third world. That's just... I don't have a word for it. Machiavellian. It's also stupid and shortsighted: all you're going to do is kill US trade with the rest of the world, because guess what - they can also raise tariffs. And not invest. Now in a sense that may be a good thing, because it ought to wipe out the trade deficit. But the US still owes China a trillion dollars. I suppose you'd like to renege on that?
@dkt80 We have almost a trillion dollar trade deficit with the rest of the world, and growing by leaps and bounds. What you don't understand is that the US has outsorced labor intrensic manufacturing. If they impose retalitary tariffs, that will effect the highly automated businesses that remain in the country. The manufacturing segment will not cut many jobs because they do not employ that many people, they are fully automated. Meanwhile the labor intrensic industries will hire workers.
@louiethegreater: What you don't understand is that, if US labor-intensive industries are to expand and start employing, they have to believe they will make a profit. This will only be the case if the price of locally-produced goods rises to near the price of imported goods + tariffs. Thus the employment of US workers is being paid for by US consumers. Call a spade a spade - this is simply a socialist redistribution programme.
@dkt80 No, no you don't understand, the greatest redistribution of weath in history has taken place in the last 60 years. That is the wealth of the American Middleclass to Multinantional Corporations, and the Wall St. crowd. Maybe you weren't paying attention when U.S. Corporations would announce they were closing U.S operations and moving offshore, leaving behind 30,000 employs. Their stock would go through the ceiling. A bull market was the rage, of course that left 30k workers unemployed.
@louiethegreater By the bye, it seems you're also unaware of some basic economics of the US's position: consumer spending is financed by massive loans from the rest of the world. Take away those loans, and all of a sudden credit dries up, spending decreases and those "flourishing industries" of yours start to look very shaky indeed.
@dkt80 Not So, I am completely aware of the U.S. position. We have given our economy to Asia, through Free Trade, and Neo-liberal policy. Multinationals will do one of two things, they will absorb the 50% tariff, or pass it on to the consumer. The latter would be best, if all thirdworld products were 50% higher, than domestic industries will be able to compete. It is absure to believe they would sell treasuries, and destory our economy. They are not stupid! You have been sold the bridge.
2. What effect do you think 50% higher prices on imported goods will have on local prices, and who do you think will benefit from that?
3. If domestic industries cannot compete without punitive tariffs protecting them, how long do you think it will be before you have to raise tariffs still further as they become less and less competitive?
4. When the rotten oak splits, as it did with GM, who will bear the costs?
@dkt80 I did not say that, I said free trade, AND neo-liberal policy. I will answer the quetion anyway. Free Trade is lassez-faire capitalism, that is opposed to Protectionist Capitalism that was traditonally practiced in the U.S. Neo Liberalism is the liberalism of our economy, for example everything in the U.S. if for sale to foreign nationals, including infrastructure ---- roads, highways, railroads, ports, the pentagon, the white house, the congessonal building is all fair game.
@dkt80 Ameican labor will benefit, simply because the 25 million unemployed will go back to work. They will be able to buy the products produced in america. Unemployed people depend on government for support they cannot buy products at any cost. The people presently employed will negotiate better wages, labor inflation will occur. Jobs well actually be create in the U.S. instead of Asia. Actually you do not really know if prices will raise, we do not have that many US made examples to compare.
@dkt80 Actually american industries cannot compete. Our standard of living is higher than the third worlds. The US lifestyle is, or was the envy of the world. It is insane to believe we can complete with the third world, 4 billion Asian workers were added in the 1970s. The foundes knew the danger of that, Tariff Laws were put in place to protect our economy from the raviges of greedy capital. Protectionism worked fine for ameica untill globalization, driven by free trade was sold to Washington.
That is crazy to believe GM failed because of labor. GM failed because, Honda and Toyota was given free access to our automobile market, while Japan imposed a 50% tariff on ameican made cars. You should understand Japan kicked GM and Ford out of their country, while we envited Honda and Toyota the privilege of providing Japanese workers with jobs. A few relocated here because, Reagan threatened them with tariffs. Neo-Libealism at its finest! Dont forget the Auto Parts industry is now in China.
@dkt80 Free Trade and Neo-Liberalization are both Gobalization Policies. Neo-Liberalization says come on you buy a chunk of our country, we will buy a chunk of your country. That creates interdependance among nations. All the prelude to one big happy plantation. You can be assured you will not be one of the masters of the plantation.
@louiethegreater ...and an amusing anecdote: I saw a train driver on TV the other day. He was on strike, demanding a 10% wage increase. His reason: "transport costs are rising and I cannot afford to travel to work".
@dkt80 I also saw on the news Charlie Sheen was asking for 2.5 million a episode for his preformance in " Two and a Half Men". When he was ask about it he simply said 2.5 million is nothing compaired to what Warner Brothers is making. So I understand your point but, everything is relevant to everything else.
@louiethegreater You know that no one ever flunked or passed Economics because they were a capitalist or socialist or communist or libertarian or republican or democrat. . You study the different methods, and history, and theories, and you don't get an "A" based on which ideology you choose.
@monkeytree5 Obviously @fzqics flunked their history class, simply because the country was founded on protecitonist capitalism. The Hamilton Tariff Act of 1797 and numerious other tariff laws was the protection that the founders gave to ensure manufacturing and labor had a fair shake, when it came to competing with cheap, or even slave labor markets. Multinationals do not claim a country they consider themselves to be citizens of the world. Therefore we as ameicans should at least consider that.
@louiethegreater Yes, I was aware that there are those who have bastardized capitalism in a variety of directions. Why not let consumers decide if they want to pay 50 percent more to subsidize domestic workers? I think your true enemy is individual liberty -- that fact that individuals act in their own interest and you want to trump that. Sorry, but there are no collective rights, only individual ones.
@fzqlcs Protectionist Capitalism was the economic structure the Founders had in mind. You are awared that tariffs were imposed on imports as early as the Hamilton Tariff Act of 1789. Tariff continued to pay government and protect domestic industries untill globalization, and free trade was imposed on the american people. A few large corporations became so rich they actually bought washington. Those corporations became rich as american companys, as soon as they moved offshore their stock soared.
You mean Paul Wolfowitz past president of the world bank, George Bushe's deputy secutary of defense is anti- capitalist. The current president Robert Zoelick, one of Bushe's star trade negotiaters is anti-capitalist, and anti corporation. WOW!!!!! that isnt my understanding of the function, or politics of the World Bank.
FRIEDMAN: I are smart. US welfare state, very very much. That is people come now. When me mama come to US, good. When yo mama come now, bad. Me mama work hard; yo mama lazy, yo mama welfare mama. Oooh, oooh, aaah, ahhh, I are ney professor, I are monkey.
Friedman the wage slaver would definatly be for anything that world drive wages down. Ellis Island immigrants were expected to work for a living, but today the jobs are simply sent to cheap wage labor markets. That is what the wage slaver Friedman does not mention.
@louiethegreater Everyone is a "wage slaver". It's called having to work to support yourself. Every human on this planet is a "wage slaver". You insult those who have actually been enslaved by throwing around that stupid term. Wage slave! It's like saying people are "raping" the environment. You choose a incendiary word that involves physically, under the threat of the gun, making people do your bidding, and compare it to your economic point-of-view.
@monkeytree5 Not even close, a wage slaver is one that invests in a State of the Art Manufacturing facility in Communist China, where there are no enviromental, or labor protections. Manufactures using peasant labor offered to Western investment as .57/hr. labor. Than those Wage Slavers ship the products a hemisphere away at fantastic 4 and 5 hundred percent profits. The result is that the well connected Chinese Families and the Western investor, mainly Wall St. produces global poverty.
@louiethegreater My point still stands - no one is "enslaved" under your definition. The workers in Communist China may be working for low wages, without environmental protections, but is true of ALL the low-skilled jobs over there. Many jobs in China pay less than $1 or $2 for a whole day! Just because these jobs do not meet -your- standards, does not mean they aren't highly desirable over there. Quite the opposite of creating poverty, these are ADDED jobs to the Chinese economy.
@monkeytree5 So when the farming subsistance economies in China was replaced by wage subsistance cash economies, that was not a deliberate ploy by the Chinese Government to attract Western Investment, using wage slaves as the lure. Actually, you must dislike wage earners, if you would choose for jobs preformed in the U.S. under safe working conditions, a living wage pay, to be sent to China, and preformed under unsafe conditions, at subsistance wages, all so multinationals can earn 400% profits.
@louiethegreater Does it surprise you that for many people "subsisting" is not enough? People are allowed to want to earn more than just what it takes to survive. So when farming subsistence was the only option the people weren't "slaves? And now that they can choose between farming and industry suddenly they are "slaves"? Your attitude is racist, insinuating that the Chinese are being duped by Westerners when they are actually, brilliantly, getting in on the free market.
@monkeytree5 The Chinese peasants are being duped by their own countrymen, and you are being duped by the concept that globalization is better than nationalism. You need to re-read my post I said Chinese Government offered their laboring class as cheap labor to Multinationals, in order to attract Western Investment, and you are right is did work quite well. Nothing I said was racist, but your whole argument is traitorous. You perfure unemployed americans, so you can save a dime at Walmart.
@louiethegreater Ah yes, the Chinese peasants are stupid, the Americans deserve the jobs, nationalism is king, and you aren't racist. Capitalism reduces China's poverty rate from 85% to 15% in 25 years, and you consider it a disaster. To say I'm traitorous implies that I owe allegiance to -your- ideals.
@monkeytree5 You must have obtained those numbers for a study done by the Hoover Institute, or maybe the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. You could not possible be gullable enough to believe that. YES i am an American, and I put the welfare of my own country, and countrymen ahead of other nationalities. You should be assured that the benefits of outsourcing is not being reaped by global workers, it is being reaped by multinational corporations, and Wall Street.
@louiethegreater Oh, but my source is the World Bank, an organization that, like you, is hugely critical of powerful corporations and capitalism! Just as you put your own welfare first, so do the people of China, and every other place in the world.
But forget that. Since you place the welfare of your countrymen first, don't like multinational corporations, and don't support outsourcing to China, tell me, this computer you are typing on...who made it, and where were the parts manufactured?
@monke Since I put this Computer toghether myself, I will assure you every part was made in Asia.
Reallly don't know what your point is, are you saying that ameicans cannot make computers. NO! the fact is that all ameican electrionics manufacturing is gone. Beginning back in the late 1960s with the Radio and TV industries, were given to Japan at the cost of ameican jobs. That scenario has been replayed a hundred times, now our storeshelves are filled with foreign goods made by cheap labor.
@louiethegreater The point is, you are part of the global economy whether you like it or not. You, personally, support globalization, corporations, and capitalism through the computer you use, the clothes you wear, and the food you buy. You can talk, talk all day long, but the way you spend your money is the only way the economy listens to your opinion. Your racist attitude continues, believing that -your people- (in this case, Americans) deserve what other people (foreigners) have.
@monkey When did being a patriotic ameican become racist. Are you making up definitions as you go along. You are much closer to being a treasoninst pig than I am of being a racist.
I thought you were one of those choice people, who really wanted to give americans a choice of the products they buy. Listen close, I was not given a choice concerning the parts I made my computer out of. I would have perfure that all the parts were made in the US, but we don't make them, all was given to Asia.
@louiethegreater To you, anyone not living in the U.S. or sharing your beliefs is "treasonous". Fine. But no matter how much you complain about how things are, or desire to have a choice, the fact is, you are voting with your pocketbook. The Market doesn't care about opinions. Each time you buy something that was manufactured out of the U.S., you commit a little bit of treason. Each piece of electronics, clothing, and food you buy from out of the U.S. is you supporting traitorous globalization.
@monkeytree5 So now a treasonous pig is defining treason. Hey you really do make things up as you go along, don't you. No I am not voting with my wallet, I prefer american made products, simply because they employ americans, I am not sympathetic to Communist Countries, producing our consumer goods, while they deny their citizens, the freedoms we enjoy. You should know that outsourcing has never helped one asian. It has only redistributed middleclass wealth to Wall Street.
@louiethegreater Your talk talk talk floats away into the atmosphere . . . changing nothing. You long for a past that doesn't exist anymore and will never return. While silently, an Asian worker produces a circuit board, some clothing, or another export, knowing that in spite of his beliefs, louiethegreater will buy them anyway and help keep him in business.
@monkeytree5 I buy asian made products because I have no choice. That is why we need 50% tariffs at our borders on goods produced by cheap third world labor. That is an american thing, tariffs were allowed by the founders for the purpose of paying government, and actually forcing foreign businesses to pay for using our markets. If tariffs do not return, than we will eventually be as poor as the third world, hope you enjoy the ride.
@monkeytree5 Robert Zoelick is a CEO of Goldman Sachs. Does that sound anti-capitalist, anti corporation. He was directly involved in the establishment of those free trade zones along our southern border, and also the same condititons in China. Please don't embarass yourself by saying these are not free trade, they are exactly free trade, and meet all the tenets of free trade and globalization.
Unfortunately, Friedman's analysis is outdated. The fact of the matter is that today illegal aliens do qualify for a myriad of social services. Today, in Los Angeles county alone, illegal aliens cost taxpayers $600,000,000 per year
Ha , I go to Spain on business, Nice People, always treat me well, beautiful country, great Food. I've friends who live there & loved it. Spaniards in general do not like Mexicans. They'll tell you stright up,don't compare us with Mexico they trashed R language, espically the ones that have been to US & see how Americans hate them .
Mexicans do not migrate to Spain, only Mexicans U see in Spain is wealthy or middle-class there for tourism. .
He just described illegal immigrants as second class citizens. They can live here, they can work here, but they're not entitled to the benefits associated with living in the U.S.? Wouldn't it be better if we could tax illegal migrant worker incomes? I wonder why they're fleeing from Mexico. Could it be our trade agreements which drive down Mexican wages? Stop pillaging Mexico and maybe they wouldn't hop the border, or am I wrong?
@HardHouseMusic4Me I think your mistaken in what Friedman is saying. He is a Libertarian and doesn't believe the government has the right to give money to anyone by taking it from another. So then if that were the case no one, including legal US citizens, would be receiving welfare of any kind. Thus making the Mexican immigrants on an equal playing field as any one else in America.
@iswear12345 Point taken, but in some of the other clips I've seen he makes the case that parents/students, instead of public schools, should receive monetary aide. I don't know about you, but that sounds like taking money from someone and giving it to someone else. Doesn't sound very libertarian to me. I must say, though, that I disagree with Friedman's individual-centric ideology, but appreciate his cold hard facts approach to a lot of the socio-economic problems we're trying to deal with.
@HardHouseMusic4Me Can you give me a link to this video cause i have never hear him say anything like that before. I could be mistaken though. Does he ever specify where the monetary aid is coming from?
@iswear12345 Here you go: /watch?v=EUSOtID5RsQ&feature=related He basically says that people in the public schools should be subject to market economics, so that parents choose where to send their kids; thus forcing the, "Bad schools," to compete in order to get the parent's vouchers. It can be argued that children would flood the good schools, and shut down the bad schools, making a lot of people out of work. I'm not so sure how competition amongst schools would work out.
@HardHouseMusic4Me Well I stand corrected. The only thing that I see being a problem with his proposition, besides what you have already stated, is that if you gave the aid to the parents instead of the schools it would be abused unless you had some kind of new "currency" like food stamps.
@iswear12345 It seems you're more afraid of bottom-up corruption rather than top-down corruption. Are school stamps, or education stamps really viable? That would still close down a lot of schools, and deprive even more people of the eduction they seek. If I live in Compton CA, and want to go to a good school, I would have to drive miles and miles. I highly doubt that the schools in my neighborhood would compete with schools in Beverly Hills, for example. The problem is planners, not people.
What's draconian about the tax code that has steadily reduced taxes on the wealthiest sector ever since Eisenhower left office? And what 'free market' are you referring to? It can't be found here. Why parse words about crony capitalism or robber barons, since neither could occur without the complicity of government officials, and since the end result is the same?
I'll just agree with you that one of us is confused....or obtuse.
A Nobel prize in and of itself does not confer sainthood. This man has worked in support of the robber barons for his entire career, so it is to be expected that he would try to spin things so as to promote the views of his corporate masters.
The non-stop barrage of corporate propaganda we've all been inundated with for the last 70 years is one of the main reasons that working people tend to equate 'self-destruction' with 'common sense' in this country; it's almost Pavlovian at this point.
A Nobel prize in and of itself does not confer sainthood, and this man has worked in support of the robber barons for his entire career, so it is to be expected that he would try to spin things so as to promote the views of his corporate masters.
The non-stop barrage of corporate propaganda we've all been inundated with for the last 70 years is one of the main reasons that working people tend to equate 'self-destruction' with 'common sense' in this country; it's almost Pavlovian at this point.
@chokkan7 interesting; the last 70 years has seen a steady movement towards the collectivists; there has been little free market "robber baronism," there has been, however, a stifling regulatory presence and a draconian progressive tax code; someone as astute as yourself can clearly see that this benefits "crony capitalism" and government; i believe you are confusing "corporate propaganda" with socialist dogma
@26Francis92 i wouldnt call it intuition; i would call it the superficial layer applied by the socialist make-up artist; it is your intuition that is alerting you to the fallacies of a socialized economy and uncle miltie provides the combo of common sense and intellectual firepower to honestly weigh and compare capitalism vs. collectivism
Holy shit! This guy is a Nobel Prize winner?!!! The industrial revolution is over. Unchecked immigration only benefits/benefitted a few wealthy people. Most illegals come here to committ serious crimes and suck on the welfare tit. Don't forget, Yasser Arafat was awarded a Nobel Prize, and he was one of the most notorious terrorists of his time. If you kill ten people, you're a mass murderer, if you kill 10,000, you get the Nobel.
@Ephisus Perhaps you didn't read correctly, I'll post it again. Go fuck yourself. Do not stop for tea, do not stoop over to fetch your droppings, go............................directly to................................fuck yourself. Have a nice day and thanks for the memories.
People can live wherever they want as long as they respect the rights of others. End the welfare state, and let people live where they want. That is REAL Freedom!
@larssiddis my mom once because of circumstances beyond her control became so poor that she could have easily gone on welfare. She was a single mom raising me. Instead of going on welfare, she worked her ass off and REFUSED government assistance. Now, we are the rich Obama wants to tax.
@camillo1234 everyone should read Applied Economics by Thomas Sowell and Broke by Glenn Beck and Trickle Up Poverty by Michael Savage. Unfortunately most people buy in to what MSNBC says about these people instead of evaluating their positions for themselves
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S955US84 1 day ago
This is what is happening in the U.K immigrations are not coming here for jobs there mostly coming for the welfare benefits
demarcos69 3 days ago 2
@demarcos69 bring Thatcher back
skydome29 2 days ago
@skydome29 Thatcher is almost brain dead...
demarcos69 2 days ago
@demarcos69 I didn't mean it literally bring her (physically) back.
skydome29 2 days ago
@Redfingers What?
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lol I don't like illegal immigration at all, but the idea that they are receiving welfare checks is fucking absurd. Prove it. Jesus Christ I hate Milton Friedman. Such a goddamn idiot. Back to my Noam Chomsky.
Redfingers 1 week ago
"Free Immigration before 1914 - everybody benefited"
What about the American Native?
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In my view beeing libertarian means beeing against the initiation of force against people AND the environment we need to survive,under all circumstances,but you have the right to(and should) defend yourself.Its a way of beeing,it doesnt have anithyng to do with politics.A lot of people are libertarians without knowing it,some believe they are libertarians even if they are not.If your company pours chemical waste in a river you are not really a libertarian and people should stop you with force.
affilinet 4 weeks ago
I support Free Immigration, NOT WELFARE!
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nellimiyagi23 1 month ago
I will trade a hard working immigrant for a self-entitled life long welfare recipient any day. I am not a xenophobe, I am a citizen looking to help my country prosper through freedom. We did that rather well in the late 19th and early 20th century, more so than any nation in the history of the world. We had free immigration, free trade, low taxes and low government spending (3% of GDP vs 26% today) How did we survive all of those years without government telling us how to live our lives?
quinnrasta 1 month ago
as long as the "Us"'es benefit from migrant workers (mexicans) but not at the expense of the "us" in America!It's heads we win tails they lose!! But this land was stolen from the indeginous people!!
1chichimec1 1 month ago
@1chichimec1 Therefore, following your logic, the Mexicans would win if they went back to Mexico. Genius!
andyz0007 3 weeks ago
Benefited? New immigrants worked in horrid conditions and lived in crowded housing.
Saebeck32 1 month ago
@Saebeck32 So why did they keep coming?
ElJefer 1 month ago
@ElJefer False hope. Not enough resources to return to their country of origin. You notice that they did eventually stop coming.
Saebeck32 1 month ago
@Saebeck32 Of course they did, the world outside the US isn't static
ElJefer 1 month ago
@Saebeck32 never underestimate the power of freedom and opportunity. plus, the sense of family was cherrished during those times, alot more than today. most immgrated not for them but for thier familes and future sons and daughter. hince many of todays leaders in all feilds can trace thier roots to sacrafice of past fathers and mothers.
MrCheckitout123 1 month ago
Wow never thought about it this way before.. nice
LasagnaIsGood 2 months ago
@S955US84
have you ever considered getting rid of welfare and entitlement programs and keeping the immigrants? I don't want to pay for other people to sit on their ass and collect my tax dollars. But if some one does want to travel thousands of miles to get to this country and build me a deck on the back of my house for $50, then I want to be waiting for him at the bus stop.
MrKemera 3 months ago
@S955US84 : agreed, but you left out: Illegals go to emergency room for their primary care and rack up billions in unpaid bills and "free" medical care
pmango1000 3 months ago
What is the Song at the Beginning?
radicalownership 3 months ago
if any one that suport the monetary market system and is realy ready to talke som critisisem without blindly dismiss all information against it so if you are realy open minded and want the truth watch this------> /watch?v=ozy52bZ6JTw
94boppers 3 months ago
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BITCH ASS SPIC ASS WETBACKS NEED TA BOUNCE DA FUCK UP ON OUTTA MY COUNTRY
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BizzareCorpse 4 months ago
friedman was way ahead of his time, this explains exactly why the mexicans are emagrating to the U.S and its the same with emagration fruad in canada, most just want welfare, the answer, stop welfare
wowzinger 4 months ago
@wowzinger God! you're a fucking idiot, did you even understand his point? Ohh fuck you're a moron. He's saying Illegal immigration is good so long as it stays illegal. Mexicans that ocme here illegally don;t qualify for citizen benefits, are you that stupid, get you head out of your ass you lummox. Get out of this country and go back wherever your grandparents came from you asshole. this country belongs to the native americans and whoever their descendants are now.
manuelturcios 1 day ago
@manuelturcios Wow what a tantrum, im fine with illegal immigrants, but its the social programs that most come for. In America and Canada, the best answer is to get rid of welfare, not to mention Milton is for free immigration.But of coarse that would be the ideal situation with out the left getting their hands in the gov and social programs vanishing and i have as much right to be in this country as you.
wowzinger 23 hours ago
@quinnrasta , what are you talking about black demographic ... you see that the same misconception that is propagated to diverse the truth of the matter . in all actuality more whites are on welfare than any other ethnic .... that a stereotypical myth . speaking in realistic terms blacks was during mexicans work during slavery , jim crow , prohibition , up until the civil right era...matter the only ppl who'd benefited from it fully is the feminist and the jews .
MrDuce718 4 months ago
Unfortunately to this day illegal immigrants are entitled to the same standard of living as legal citizens
THEMIZKID 4 months ago
@THEMIZKID that's not exactly true. they have even more rights/standards, since many of them are non-white, and hence, benefit from affirmative action provisions in hiring, education, and government contracting.
aldoreshgaramok 1 month ago
To sum it up.. immigration is fine and dandy, as long as we don't have to pay for it.
In other words.. NO SOCIALISM. Everybody get to bear the fruit of their labour in relation to how hard they have worked for their wealth.
zdrux 4 months ago
...so now today many illegals just live on welfare. This hurts Mexican Americans, and Mexican legal immigrants more than it hurts ANYONE else. To add insult to injury, the rest of Americans generalize all Mexicans. The very businesses that Mexican immigrants built are now closing because the neighborhoods are run down by crime from a NEW culture created in this welfare state.
KP23anda 5 months ago
Two or three decades ago it was inconceivable for a Mexican illegal to protest in the streets and demand rights. I remember how it was. You had to learn English, you had to work hard and you had to assimilate. No one had a problem with that and many of the Mexican businesses you see today were created by these people. They are now citizens and still work hard. What happened? Word got out that as long as you had lots of kids, you didn't need to work.
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@KP23anda
The United States of America has no official language.
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KP23anda 5 months ago
The only thing he doesn't bring up is that the immigrants that landed at Ellis Island INTEGRATED into the existing society... the ones that are coming up from Mexico are SUBJUGATING the areas they move into in the "culture" of Mexico, which is based on crime, corruption and graft.
banter2345 5 months ago
@banter2345 Your a moron ignorant person, many mexicans and their families live like Americans specially after a few generations look at all the hispanic actors, athletes and business men. The reason why there is crime is natural if you would follow all the earlier immigrants that were highly discriminated like the Irish or Italians or the Chinese at one point, its just that you probably watch too much fox news. Bad news sell faster then good news, murders rapes and disasters are what sell.
jezza1789 5 months ago
@jezza1789 Do you not know the difference between legal and illegal?
whgage 5 months ago
@jezza1789 Speaking from someone who has lived on the US Mexico border all my life,illegal Latinos in Texas are going by the way of the black demographic.Children born to single parents are going up,where as before you had a strong family base.You would be correct a few generations back,but today we're seeing generational welfare.My grandmother was from Mexico and she worked her but off without the subsidies of the federal government.I live in the heart if immigration and its a sad sight "today"
quinnrasta 4 months ago 3
These evil corporations that are constantly referred to are actually just legal arrangements for sharing the profits/losses among the shareholders. Shareholders are oftentimes wealthy investors or foreign nationals but also consist of large pension fund money (of "working folks") and individuals like myself who work 2 jobs and put my extra money into stocks to plan for my future. I am an owner of various corporations, which makes me an owner of America. I guess I am the face of evil & tyranny
Json7401 5 months ago 30
@Json7401 No. You're just a fucking dumbass.
kingnat2 2 months ago
@Json7401 You're confusing the grievance people have with large corporations--namely, that large corporations with lobbying arms have a disproportionate influence on government social and economic policy such that it favors the corporation over the real individual.
treefingers1206 1 month ago
@Json7401 That's why the system works so well. Many investors are so detached from the operations of 'their' company. So if your company exposes third world workers and children to terrible working conditions it's just something abstract that is hard to imagine. Even institutional investors are far removed from these events. The overriding concern is profit. You know far more about stock price performance than how the profit is actually being made.
gwangjuboy1 4 days ago
Since the USA has no REAL ID system, the Illegals get all the wellfare free medical and free education they want !
Avalon400 5 months ago
The world is currantly suffering from overpopulation. Up till 1914, almost all immigrants came from Europe. Today, Western Civilization is directly threatened by ISLAM and its backward tennants. It is already too late to reverse the damamge done by liberal immigration in America.
Avalon400 5 months ago 2
@Avalon400 You do know that there are a lot of Third World Immigrants from Asia that come to the USA and do better than the European immigrants and Americans right?
stupidfleshmonkies 5 months ago
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@Avalon400
It was mostly colonists of ENGLISH descent that founded this country over 230 years ago.
It was mostly Western European immigrants and their descendants that built the USA and made it the envy of the world.
Ted Kennedy changed immigration quotas favoring 3rd world countries in the 60s and the culture has gone downhill ever since.
The need and time for legal mass immigration ended 90 years ago. There is never a need for parasitic illegal immigrants anywhere.
S955US84 1 day ago
i wonder what he would look like if i rest my balls on his bald head :P
xxCCTECHxx 5 months ago
@xxCCTECHxx your face
fzqlcs 5 months ago
lets get rid of the borders....or at least compromise for it to be easier for immigrants to enter
iluvpoliticzz 5 months ago
@iluvpoliticzz why
TheJimbo4123 5 months ago
Maybe Ron Paul should listen to this guy.
seppsters 5 months ago
look how the glare off his glasses trails off when he wisely turns his head
AmandaFeetJeansFan 6 months ago
Unfortunately now a days, illegal immigrants can get welfare, medicare, ssi, etc. As long as they have kids, they can get everything from simple food stamps, to a college education for those kids at the tax payer's expense.
xtremejohnny69 6 months ago
No wonder Ron Paul likes Mr. Friedman. He certainly makes sense. Such simple statements, yet they carry profound magnitude.
PistolPackingPatriot 6 months ago
In 1914, most of the immigrants weren't on welfare, food stamps, etc. And they didn't get checks for being an immigrant! My grandfather came from Italy, and he worked his butt off then became a citizen! There was no FREE immigrant housing like there is now either! They lived in tenements! Hot in summer, cold in winter and crowded mostly! And What's this about no benefits? Immigrants today get PLENTY of gov't benefits! That's part of why the government is so broke! This guy is a complete moron!
toomuchmail50 6 months ago
@toomuchmail50 Can you mentionet, this benefits?
ALFTUBE50 6 months ago
@toomuchmail50 If you even listened to his argument, you would know he was trying to explain why people would "suddenly" change their views on immigration. He answered that people don't want immigrants now because we have a welfare state. You just said that is why you don't want immigrant so you seem to have just proven his point. Also if you knew anything about Friedman's ideas in general you would know that he is against welfare state ideas and policies.
poopieheadface 6 months ago
@toomuchmail50 This guy, IN THIS VERY VIDEO, talks about how you can't have free immigration AND a welfare state. His solution is not to have a welfare state.
KayamaTakeru 5 months ago
@toomuchmail50 You seem to completely miss his entire point. You just made the exact same point Mr. Friedman made!!! He is a liberatarian, who believes in free markets, and it totally against the welfare state. He is far from a moron.
mightyafrowhitey 5 months ago
@toomuchmail50 That is exactly what he said in the video. I suggest you re-watch it.
scottysmo88 5 months ago
The fastest way to become a third world country is to import the third world in.
Liozeris 6 months ago 3
@zyjelly Why are you saying that an employee that starts with a prosperous company when they are 18 and retires a 65 should not have pension. The CEO take millons annually in compensation, all top and mid-line management have good pensions, why would you object to skilled, semi skilled, and assembly worker not having one. It was not the employees who destroyed GM it was Japan having free access to our auto market, while thay tariffed GM and Ford to sell in theirs.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
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Our laws are not being enforced anymore! We have been sold out to be invaded by illegal foreigners. It is time for the American people to take matters into their own hands in their communities. If you know of or see any illegals or activists throw rotten eggs at them on the streets and drive off. Secretly sabotage them, slash their tires, break their windows, cause them economic damage like they are causing us. You have to make life so miserable for them that they will leave!
bamlamnam 7 months ago
Friedman was a class act.
darkENhandsome 7 months ago
The difference is that at the turn of the century massive manuel labor was needed. Illegals do qualify for social benefits, Friedman is only interested in driving american wages to third world levels. The fact that 80% of all newly created wealth in the U.S. goes to 1% of the population. That 1% kept Friedman on the lecture circit, because he spreads their dogma.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater With all the country's wealth horded by the rich, it is truly amazing how the poor in America have on average more automobiles, larger living quarters and are more likely to have air conditioning than Europe's middle class. Even Michelle Obama would fess up that the American poor is in far greater danger of obesity than of hunger. Even calling lower income Americans poor is ludicrous by any world standard. Bottom line: capitalism rocks, socialism sucks. History doesn't lie.
fzqlcs 7 months ago 3
@fzqlcs Are you so ignorant that you world read into my statement, that I am a socialist. The fact is that I am a dedicated supporter of Protectionist Capitalism, now I will explain to a very ignorant person that protectionist capitalism would be apposed to Laissez-faire Capitalism. A simple fix to our economy would be add a 50% tariffs to all imported goods manufactured by .57/hr third world labor. That is how the middleclass was created and the country prospered untill the 1960s.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater you would unduly punish consumers to protect noncompetitive jobs. i favor laissez-faire. that is to remove government restraints on production and therefore allow consumers, workers and producers to each act in their own self-interests independent of the bureaucratic elite. However, I should not inferred you to be a socialist. A collectivist would have been more precise.
fzqlcs 7 months ago
@fzqlcs No I would allow the Chinese to pay of the national debt. I would end the trade deficit. I would create jobs in the U.S. instead of China. I would give domestic industries a fighting chance against .57/hr third world labor, who works without worker health and safety standards, and enviromental standards. I would give multinational corporations the pleasure of rebuilding the economy they have been destroying for 60 years. You must have flunked your economic class, I am a protectionist.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater yes you are, protecting consumers from lower prices.
fzqlcs 7 months ago
@fzqlcs Like I said you, with a doubt, flunked your economic classes. No I destribute the wealth across the general population, instead of concentrating it on Wall Street. Bet you didn't know that the wealth of the american middleclass has been redistributed to multinational corporations, for the last 60 years. Tell me was you born rich, or are you a product of the middleclass. Either way you are a Chicken Rooting for Colonal Sanders.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater :-( Not born rich but I do have a great life But then again,I was willing to put out the effort to earn it. Sorry that living in the land of opportunity seems so oppressive for you.
fzqlcs 7 months ago
@fzqlcs No I am just puzzled at the thought of you supporting the 1% or at least the top 10% of the nations rich. We have 20 million unemployed, a enormous national debt and a unbelievable trade deficit. That has occured since Free trade became the norm. Outsourcing has devistated the lives of millions of families who earned a living in manufacureing. Is it your normal condition to root for those who choose to oppress you. Do you believe these people are just lazy and do not exert effort.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater
Are you seriously arguing for protectionism? You know that's like the Creationism of economics right?
thegillotine09 7 months ago 2
@thegillotine09 Yes, be assured I support what works. Intelligent design works also.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater
lol why am I not surprised? If you'd taken even an introductory level economics course you'd give up the insanity of protectionism. It feeds on xenophobia and nationalism, and causes economic failure and war.
thegillotine09 7 months ago
@thegillotine09 How comical, that must be why protectionism worked so well in the U.S. for 200 years. Begining with the Hamilton Tariff Act of 1789. OH YES I really regret that I didn't get my brainwashing class. Did they inform you that economics is theory and not science.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater The extent to which the U.S. has been successful economically is the extent to which it deviated from Mercantilism of the Europe. Next you're going to say that war is a good thing since we've had a warlike government for the past 200 years, "beginning with the Revolutionary war of 1776". And we're still very protectionist, because the ignorant masses believe the populist rhetoric of power-hungry politicians. If you want to see the epitome of protectionism, check out North Korea.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 It appears that you have insolationism, and protectionism mixed up. North Korea is in a similar position as Cuba, and for similar reasons, they chose to kick international investers out of their country, actually believing the resources of the country belonged to the citizens of the country. They had the audacity to believe that the Goldman-Sacks crowd had no right to them. So as a result the have been forcibly isolated through sanctions, and the undesire to privatize economy.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater Oh wow. That's either a legendary troll, or it's a serious case of Patriot University education, but either way it's the funniest thing I've ever heard :-) So _that's_ how the religious right reconciles its support for capitalism with its desire to suppress every other freedom. Masterful.
And in case you think I'm being unfair, I also find it mind-boggling how lefties reconcile their love of personal freedoms with their desire for a controlled economy.
dkt80 6 months ago
@dkt80 Hey explain to me how Alexander Hamilton reconciled it when he passed the Hamilton Tariff Act of 1789. Sound like another Chicken Rooting for Colonal Sanders.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@dkt80 The slightest research and you would find that the U.S. has always had a controlled economy. We believe in Labor Unions, worker protections, envoromental protections, minimium wage, paid vacations, living wages, tariffs on imports, produced by thirdworld labor. If you do not believe in controls I hope someone builds a pig farm next door to you. and your employer works you 15 hours a day with out lunch breaks, in the hot sun, with out water.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater See now that attitude is why you'll never join the 1% you envy and despise. The Chinese are willing to work harder and for less money than you, which is why you'll soon be unemployed, tariffs and protectionism or no. So work harder or work smarter, but don't blame them for your laziness and/or incompetence, because they'll just grin at you. Especially when you buy their products at Walmart.
dkt80 6 months ago
@dkt80 Hey in case you haven't noticed, you are not joining the 1% either. A 50% tariff on thirdworld goods would pay the national debt in 5 years, domestinc industries would flourish. Investment would flow into the US instead of out of the country. History could record this free market experiment of the last 60 years as a bad experience. It is apparant that free trade only works for about 10% of the worlds investers. Free Trade doesn't work, that is apparant.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater Wow, paying US debt at the expense of the third world. That's just... I don't have a word for it. Machiavellian. It's also stupid and shortsighted: all you're going to do is kill US trade with the rest of the world, because guess what - they can also raise tariffs. And not invest. Now in a sense that may be a good thing, because it ought to wipe out the trade deficit. But the US still owes China a trillion dollars. I suppose you'd like to renege on that?
dkt80 6 months ago
@dkt80 We have almost a trillion dollar trade deficit with the rest of the world, and growing by leaps and bounds. What you don't understand is that the US has outsorced labor intrensic manufacturing. If they impose retalitary tariffs, that will effect the highly automated businesses that remain in the country. The manufacturing segment will not cut many jobs because they do not employ that many people, they are fully automated. Meanwhile the labor intrensic industries will hire workers.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater: What you don't understand is that, if US labor-intensive industries are to expand and start employing, they have to believe they will make a profit. This will only be the case if the price of locally-produced goods rises to near the price of imported goods + tariffs. Thus the employment of US workers is being paid for by US consumers. Call a spade a spade - this is simply a socialist redistribution programme.
dkt80 6 months ago
@dkt80 No, no you don't understand, the greatest redistribution of weath in history has taken place in the last 60 years. That is the wealth of the American Middleclass to Multinantional Corporations, and the Wall St. crowd. Maybe you weren't paying attention when U.S. Corporations would announce they were closing U.S operations and moving offshore, leaving behind 30,000 employs. Their stock would go through the ceiling. A bull market was the rage, of course that left 30k workers unemployed.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater By the bye, it seems you're also unaware of some basic economics of the US's position: consumer spending is financed by massive loans from the rest of the world. Take away those loans, and all of a sudden credit dries up, spending decreases and those "flourishing industries" of yours start to look very shaky indeed.
dkt80 6 months ago
@dkt80 Not So, I am completely aware of the U.S. position. We have given our economy to Asia, through Free Trade, and Neo-liberal policy. Multinationals will do one of two things, they will absorb the 50% tariff, or pass it on to the consumer. The latter would be best, if all thirdworld products were 50% higher, than domestic industries will be able to compete. It is absure to believe they would sell treasuries, and destory our economy. They are not stupid! You have been sold the bridge.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater:
1. How is free trade a "neo-liberal" policy?
2. What effect do you think 50% higher prices on imported goods will have on local prices, and who do you think will benefit from that?
3. If domestic industries cannot compete without punitive tariffs protecting them, how long do you think it will be before you have to raise tariffs still further as they become less and less competitive?
4. When the rotten oak splits, as it did with GM, who will bear the costs?
dkt80 6 months ago
@dkt80 I did not say that, I said free trade, AND neo-liberal policy. I will answer the quetion anyway. Free Trade is lassez-faire capitalism, that is opposed to Protectionist Capitalism that was traditonally practiced in the U.S. Neo Liberalism is the liberalism of our economy, for example everything in the U.S. if for sale to foreign nationals, including infrastructure ---- roads, highways, railroads, ports, the pentagon, the white house, the congessonal building is all fair game.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@dkt80 Ameican labor will benefit, simply because the 25 million unemployed will go back to work. They will be able to buy the products produced in america. Unemployed people depend on government for support they cannot buy products at any cost. The people presently employed will negotiate better wages, labor inflation will occur. Jobs well actually be create in the U.S. instead of Asia. Actually you do not really know if prices will raise, we do not have that many US made examples to compare.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@dkt80 Actually american industries cannot compete. Our standard of living is higher than the third worlds. The US lifestyle is, or was the envy of the world. It is insane to believe we can complete with the third world, 4 billion Asian workers were added in the 1970s. The foundes knew the danger of that, Tariff Laws were put in place to protect our economy from the raviges of greedy capital. Protectionism worked fine for ameica untill globalization, driven by free trade was sold to Washington.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
That is crazy to believe GM failed because of labor. GM failed because, Honda and Toyota was given free access to our automobile market, while Japan imposed a 50% tariff on ameican made cars. You should understand Japan kicked GM and Ford out of their country, while we envited Honda and Toyota the privilege of providing Japanese workers with jobs. A few relocated here because, Reagan threatened them with tariffs. Neo-Libealism at its finest! Dont forget the Auto Parts industry is now in China.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@dkt80 Free Trade and Neo-Liberalization are both Gobalization Policies. Neo-Liberalization says come on you buy a chunk of our country, we will buy a chunk of your country. That creates interdependance among nations. All the prelude to one big happy plantation. You can be assured you will not be one of the masters of the plantation.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater ...and an amusing anecdote: I saw a train driver on TV the other day. He was on strike, demanding a 10% wage increase. His reason: "transport costs are rising and I cannot afford to travel to work".
dkt80 6 months ago
@dkt80 I also saw on the news Charlie Sheen was asking for 2.5 million a episode for his preformance in " Two and a Half Men". When he was ask about it he simply said 2.5 million is nothing compaired to what Warner Brothers is making. So I understand your point but, everything is relevant to everything else.
louiethegreater 6 months ago
@louiethegreater You know that no one ever flunked or passed Economics because they were a capitalist or socialist or communist or libertarian or republican or democrat. . You study the different methods, and history, and theories, and you don't get an "A" based on which ideology you choose.
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkeytree5 Obviously @fzqics flunked their history class, simply because the country was founded on protecitonist capitalism. The Hamilton Tariff Act of 1797 and numerious other tariff laws was the protection that the founders gave to ensure manufacturing and labor had a fair shake, when it came to competing with cheap, or even slave labor markets. Multinationals do not claim a country they consider themselves to be citizens of the world. Therefore we as ameicans should at least consider that.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@fzqlcs Bet you didn't know there was a thing called Protectionist Capitalism.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater Yes, I was aware that there are those who have bastardized capitalism in a variety of directions. Why not let consumers decide if they want to pay 50 percent more to subsidize domestic workers? I think your true enemy is individual liberty -- that fact that individuals act in their own interest and you want to trump that. Sorry, but there are no collective rights, only individual ones.
fzqlcs 7 months ago
@fzqlcs Protectionist Capitalism was the economic structure the Founders had in mind. You are awared that tariffs were imposed on imports as early as the Hamilton Tariff Act of 1789. Tariff continued to pay government and protect domestic industries untill globalization, and free trade was imposed on the american people. A few large corporations became so rich they actually bought washington. Those corporations became rich as american companys, as soon as they moved offshore their stock soared.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
You mean Paul Wolfowitz past president of the world bank, George Bushe's deputy secutary of defense is anti- capitalist. The current president Robert Zoelick, one of Bushe's star trade negotiaters is anti-capitalist, and anti corporation. WOW!!!!! that isnt my understanding of the function, or politics of the World Bank.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
FRIEDMAN: I are smart. US welfare state, very very much. That is people come now. When me mama come to US, good. When yo mama come now, bad. Me mama work hard; yo mama lazy, yo mama welfare mama. Oooh, oooh, aaah, ahhh, I are ney professor, I are monkey.
filipgrzelak 7 months ago
Friedman the wage slaver would definatly be for anything that world drive wages down. Ellis Island immigrants were expected to work for a living, but today the jobs are simply sent to cheap wage labor markets. That is what the wage slaver Friedman does not mention.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater Everyone is a "wage slaver". It's called having to work to support yourself. Every human on this planet is a "wage slaver". You insult those who have actually been enslaved by throwing around that stupid term. Wage slave! It's like saying people are "raping" the environment. You choose a incendiary word that involves physically, under the threat of the gun, making people do your bidding, and compare it to your economic point-of-view.
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkeytree5 Not even close, a wage slaver is one that invests in a State of the Art Manufacturing facility in Communist China, where there are no enviromental, or labor protections. Manufactures using peasant labor offered to Western investment as .57/hr. labor. Than those Wage Slavers ship the products a hemisphere away at fantastic 4 and 5 hundred percent profits. The result is that the well connected Chinese Families and the Western investor, mainly Wall St. produces global poverty.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater My point still stands - no one is "enslaved" under your definition. The workers in Communist China may be working for low wages, without environmental protections, but is true of ALL the low-skilled jobs over there. Many jobs in China pay less than $1 or $2 for a whole day! Just because these jobs do not meet -your- standards, does not mean they aren't highly desirable over there. Quite the opposite of creating poverty, these are ADDED jobs to the Chinese economy.
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkeytree5 So when the farming subsistance economies in China was replaced by wage subsistance cash economies, that was not a deliberate ploy by the Chinese Government to attract Western Investment, using wage slaves as the lure. Actually, you must dislike wage earners, if you would choose for jobs preformed in the U.S. under safe working conditions, a living wage pay, to be sent to China, and preformed under unsafe conditions, at subsistance wages, all so multinationals can earn 400% profits.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater Does it surprise you that for many people "subsisting" is not enough? People are allowed to want to earn more than just what it takes to survive. So when farming subsistence was the only option the people weren't "slaves? And now that they can choose between farming and industry suddenly they are "slaves"? Your attitude is racist, insinuating that the Chinese are being duped by Westerners when they are actually, brilliantly, getting in on the free market.
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkeytree5 The Chinese peasants are being duped by their own countrymen, and you are being duped by the concept that globalization is better than nationalism. You need to re-read my post I said Chinese Government offered their laboring class as cheap labor to Multinationals, in order to attract Western Investment, and you are right is did work quite well. Nothing I said was racist, but your whole argument is traitorous. You perfure unemployed americans, so you can save a dime at Walmart.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater Ah yes, the Chinese peasants are stupid, the Americans deserve the jobs, nationalism is king, and you aren't racist. Capitalism reduces China's poverty rate from 85% to 15% in 25 years, and you consider it a disaster. To say I'm traitorous implies that I owe allegiance to -your- ideals.
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkeytree5 You must have obtained those numbers for a study done by the Hoover Institute, or maybe the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. You could not possible be gullable enough to believe that. YES i am an American, and I put the welfare of my own country, and countrymen ahead of other nationalities. You should be assured that the benefits of outsourcing is not being reaped by global workers, it is being reaped by multinational corporations, and Wall Street.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater Oh, but my source is the World Bank, an organization that, like you, is hugely critical of powerful corporations and capitalism! Just as you put your own welfare first, so do the people of China, and every other place in the world.
But forget that. Since you place the welfare of your countrymen first, don't like multinational corporations, and don't support outsourcing to China, tell me, this computer you are typing on...who made it, and where were the parts manufactured?
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monke Since I put this Computer toghether myself, I will assure you every part was made in Asia.
Reallly don't know what your point is, are you saying that ameicans cannot make computers. NO! the fact is that all ameican electrionics manufacturing is gone. Beginning back in the late 1960s with the Radio and TV industries, were given to Japan at the cost of ameican jobs. That scenario has been replayed a hundred times, now our storeshelves are filled with foreign goods made by cheap labor.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater The point is, you are part of the global economy whether you like it or not. You, personally, support globalization, corporations, and capitalism through the computer you use, the clothes you wear, and the food you buy. You can talk, talk all day long, but the way you spend your money is the only way the economy listens to your opinion. Your racist attitude continues, believing that -your people- (in this case, Americans) deserve what other people (foreigners) have.
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkey When did being a patriotic ameican become racist. Are you making up definitions as you go along. You are much closer to being a treasoninst pig than I am of being a racist.
I thought you were one of those choice people, who really wanted to give americans a choice of the products they buy. Listen close, I was not given a choice concerning the parts I made my computer out of. I would have perfure that all the parts were made in the US, but we don't make them, all was given to Asia.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater To you, anyone not living in the U.S. or sharing your beliefs is "treasonous". Fine. But no matter how much you complain about how things are, or desire to have a choice, the fact is, you are voting with your pocketbook. The Market doesn't care about opinions. Each time you buy something that was manufactured out of the U.S., you commit a little bit of treason. Each piece of electronics, clothing, and food you buy from out of the U.S. is you supporting traitorous globalization.
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkeytree5 So now a treasonous pig is defining treason. Hey you really do make things up as you go along, don't you. No I am not voting with my wallet, I prefer american made products, simply because they employ americans, I am not sympathetic to Communist Countries, producing our consumer goods, while they deny their citizens, the freedoms we enjoy. You should know that outsourcing has never helped one asian. It has only redistributed middleclass wealth to Wall Street.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater Your talk talk talk floats away into the atmosphere . . . changing nothing. You long for a past that doesn't exist anymore and will never return. While silently, an Asian worker produces a circuit board, some clothing, or another export, knowing that in spite of his beliefs, louiethegreater will buy them anyway and help keep him in business.
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkeytree5 I buy asian made products because I have no choice. That is why we need 50% tariffs at our borders on goods produced by cheap third world labor. That is an american thing, tariffs were allowed by the founders for the purpose of paying government, and actually forcing foreign businesses to pay for using our markets. If tariffs do not return, than we will eventually be as poor as the third world, hope you enjoy the ride.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
@louiethegreater .
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@louiethegreater i
monkeytree5 7 months ago
@monkeytree5 Robert Zoelick is a CEO of Goldman Sachs. Does that sound anti-capitalist, anti corporation. He was directly involved in the establishment of those free trade zones along our southern border, and also the same condititons in China. Please don't embarass yourself by saying these are not free trade, they are exactly free trade, and meet all the tenets of free trade and globalization.
louiethegreater 7 months ago
Unfortunately, Friedman's analysis is outdated. The fact of the matter is that today illegal aliens do qualify for a myriad of social services. Today, in Los Angeles county alone, illegal aliens cost taxpayers $600,000,000 per year
zime2006 7 months ago
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onstageagain 8 months ago
He just described illegal immigrants as second class citizens. They can live here, they can work here, but they're not entitled to the benefits associated with living in the U.S.? Wouldn't it be better if we could tax illegal migrant worker incomes? I wonder why they're fleeing from Mexico. Could it be our trade agreements which drive down Mexican wages? Stop pillaging Mexico and maybe they wouldn't hop the border, or am I wrong?
HardHouseMusic4Me 8 months ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me I think your mistaken in what Friedman is saying. He is a Libertarian and doesn't believe the government has the right to give money to anyone by taking it from another. So then if that were the case no one, including legal US citizens, would be receiving welfare of any kind. Thus making the Mexican immigrants on an equal playing field as any one else in America.
iswear12345 8 months ago
@iswear12345 Point taken, but in some of the other clips I've seen he makes the case that parents/students, instead of public schools, should receive monetary aide. I don't know about you, but that sounds like taking money from someone and giving it to someone else. Doesn't sound very libertarian to me. I must say, though, that I disagree with Friedman's individual-centric ideology, but appreciate his cold hard facts approach to a lot of the socio-economic problems we're trying to deal with.
HardHouseMusic4Me 8 months ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me Can you give me a link to this video cause i have never hear him say anything like that before. I could be mistaken though. Does he ever specify where the monetary aid is coming from?
iswear12345 8 months ago
@iswear12345 Here you go: /watch?v=EUSOtID5RsQ&feature=related He basically says that people in the public schools should be subject to market economics, so that parents choose where to send their kids; thus forcing the, "Bad schools," to compete in order to get the parent's vouchers. It can be argued that children would flood the good schools, and shut down the bad schools, making a lot of people out of work. I'm not so sure how competition amongst schools would work out.
HardHouseMusic4Me 8 months ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me Well I stand corrected. The only thing that I see being a problem with his proposition, besides what you have already stated, is that if you gave the aid to the parents instead of the schools it would be abused unless you had some kind of new "currency" like food stamps.
iswear12345 8 months ago
@iswear12345 It seems you're more afraid of bottom-up corruption rather than top-down corruption. Are school stamps, or education stamps really viable? That would still close down a lot of schools, and deprive even more people of the eduction they seek. If I live in Compton CA, and want to go to a good school, I would have to drive miles and miles. I highly doubt that the schools in my neighborhood would compete with schools in Beverly Hills, for example. The problem is planners, not people.
HardHouseMusic4Me 7 months ago
2dum,
What's draconian about the tax code that has steadily reduced taxes on the wealthiest sector ever since Eisenhower left office? And what 'free market' are you referring to? It can't be found here. Why parse words about crony capitalism or robber barons, since neither could occur without the complicity of government officials, and since the end result is the same?
I'll just agree with you that one of us is confused....or obtuse.
chokkan7 8 months ago
A Nobel prize in and of itself does not confer sainthood. This man has worked in support of the robber barons for his entire career, so it is to be expected that he would try to spin things so as to promote the views of his corporate masters.
The non-stop barrage of corporate propaganda we've all been inundated with for the last 70 years is one of the main reasons that working people tend to equate 'self-destruction' with 'common sense' in this country; it's almost Pavlovian at this point.
chokkan7 8 months ago
A Nobel prize in and of itself does not confer sainthood, and this man has worked in support of the robber barons for his entire career, so it is to be expected that he would try to spin things so as to promote the views of his corporate masters.
The non-stop barrage of corporate propaganda we've all been inundated with for the last 70 years is one of the main reasons that working people tend to equate 'self-destruction' with 'common sense' in this country; it's almost Pavlovian at this point.
chokkan7 8 months ago
@chokkan7 interesting; the last 70 years has seen a steady movement towards the collectivists; there has been little free market "robber baronism," there has been, however, a stifling regulatory presence and a draconian progressive tax code; someone as astute as yourself can clearly see that this benefits "crony capitalism" and government; i believe you are confusing "corporate propaganda" with socialist dogma
2dum2getsocialism 8 months ago
Exploiters support immigration = lower wages and higher prices.
mba2ceo 8 months ago
This man is slowly shattering every intuition I have about how the economy should be run.
26Francis92 8 months ago 23
@26Francis92 i wouldnt call it intuition; i would call it the superficial layer applied by the socialist make-up artist; it is your intuition that is alerting you to the fallacies of a socialized economy and uncle miltie provides the combo of common sense and intellectual firepower to honestly weigh and compare capitalism vs. collectivism
2dum2getsocialism 8 months ago
@26Francis92 ...perhaps the first illusion he should shatter is that it should "be run" ;-)
dkt80 7 months ago
@dkt80 ha, not a bad point. I have a long way to go =p
26Francis92 6 months ago
@26Francis92 heh, I used to be a communist!
sniped101 6 months ago
@26Francis92 that's what he did to the people running the country during the Reagan years, and the US is now paying the consequences.
cogitabvndvs 6 months ago
@26Francis92 But that's entirely Friedman's contention: nobody should try to 'run' an economy.
zoikles1 6 months ago
@26Francis92 Ok I just realised that someone else made the same comment ~2 weeks ago. Woops!
zoikles1 6 months ago
@26Francis92 Proud of you mate! You have a good brain!
ChristopherAdderley 6 months ago
@26Francis92 Awesome! hopefully, soon, you'll have the epiphany that the economy shouldn't be "run" at all
SuperNache 6 months ago
Dont hold the fact he received the Nobel peace prize against him.
ridiculusstimulus 8 months ago
Holy shit! This guy is a Nobel Prize winner?!!! The industrial revolution is over. Unchecked immigration only benefits/benefitted a few wealthy people. Most illegals come here to committ serious crimes and suck on the welfare tit. Don't forget, Yasser Arafat was awarded a Nobel Prize, and he was one of the most notorious terrorists of his time. If you kill ten people, you're a mass murderer, if you kill 10,000, you get the Nobel.
bddc201 8 months ago
@bddc201 You should probably pack up unless you can support your posits, rather than denigrating the credentials of your opponents.
Ephisus 8 months ago
@Ephisus Go fuck yourself.
bddc201 8 months ago
@bddc201 Wow, quick win.
Ephisus 8 months ago 2
@Ephisus Perhaps you didn't read correctly, I'll post it again. Go fuck yourself. Do not stop for tea, do not stoop over to fetch your droppings, go............................directly to................................fuck yourself. Have a nice day and thanks for the memories.
bddc201 8 months ago
@bddc201 oh, I got it, it's very clever.
Ephisus 8 months ago
This man is brilliant.
writereducator 9 months ago
what a ledge.
EnjoyTheSilence93 9 months ago
We didn't always have "Free immigration." Thousands of people were turned back from Ellis island.
pimpdalyrical 9 months ago
People can live wherever they want as long as they respect the rights of others. End the welfare state, and let people live where they want. That is REAL Freedom!
mikeshanklin 9 months ago
By this arguement having kids is wrong. They might end up on welfare.
larssiddis 9 months ago
@larssiddis Having kids one cannot support is wrong, much like buying a product one cannot pay for.
fzqlcs 9 months ago
@larssiddis my mom once because of circumstances beyond her control became so poor that she could have easily gone on welfare. She was a single mom raising me. Instead of going on welfare, she worked her ass off and REFUSED government assistance. Now, we are the rich Obama wants to tax.
Porojukaha 9 months ago
WE SHOULD ALL START LISTENING TO THE MILTON FRIEDMANS THAT ARE AROUND TODAY
camillo1234 9 months ago
@camillo1234 everyone should read Applied Economics by Thomas Sowell and Broke by Glenn Beck and Trickle Up Poverty by Michael Savage. Unfortunately most people buy in to what MSNBC says about these people instead of evaluating their positions for themselves
Porojukaha 9 months ago