I think he makes some good points. While it is certainly natural for men to act different from women, there are too many images in the media equating masculinity with violence
My issue with this documentary is that it denounces the masculine nature as a learned product of the media; which seeks to dominate and destroy. People misjudge boys and men, they aren't given the benefit of the doubt.
At part 7, Jackson didn't give a precise solution to this problem. He means well but I think he's is incorrect.
If you don't agree tell me why
Without proper management, masculine energy can be: aggressive, unruly, mischievious, anxious, apathetic, chaotic, or worse.
Men don't CONCEAL their emotions they CONTROL them. Anger can blind one's judgement and empathy can manipulate your intentions. Men have emotions they are just MORE CAREFUL WITH THEM.
Independence is stressed because guardians can't always protect you, you'll become an adult or maybe a parent someday. People will eventually depend on to you.
Men disregard their problems to keep others safe. This is Service Before Self.
But I think he stops short of the BIG PICTURE. Despite the criticisms to manhood this video supports; he takes qualities of adolescent boys/ young men and demonizes them. Due to testosterone, boys: Behave more wildly, Compete with more assertiveness, Engage in physical labor, Have more energy to expand.
Males explore dangerous activities to test their limits and achieve a higher potential: like Chan, Norris, Knievel, Bruce Lee, Bolt, or Phelps. Males view their body as a tool to take action.
Now I've have seen the film numerous times & think he makes a valid argument. Today's males feel lost. Many engage in destructive mannerisms that harm people or society. Males struggle to mature or release stress in the 21 century, and as a result they have become a concern.
He believes 'Violent Masculinity' is harmful to boys today because of the modern mediums. His idea of 'False Manhood' males desire is fascinating because it reaches deep into the male nature and our culture's stereotypes.
Jackson Katz, as a man, I am surprised that you put so much emphasis on negative male behaviors without once recognizing the many positive qualities males have. It's true much violence and crime are committed by men but even more men stand up to protect the law and defend those who are at danger from attackers, be them male or female.
I think you are confusing your audience by assuring them that there are no positive outlets boys to become decent men. And men are being raised to be violent.
@TWBennett1 OMFG why is there ALWAYS someone who has to have this little rant? (You're being mean to men! We're nice sometimes, too!) THIS VIDEO IS NOT ABOUT THE POSITIVE QUALITIES of masculinity FFS. To challenge the issues you need to confront them, not sugar-coat and hand-hold.
@Danceswithyewtube I must say I adore account profile id; you seem quite witty.
But it seems I have stirred up some confusion with you. And I apologize for my earlier remark, if it has given you the wrong impression about me. I am not complaining about 'Man bashing' or 'being mean to men'. I do not wish to seem one-sided or discredit Jackson Katz. Nor do I mean to be offensive to the audience. My response was meant to open another viewpoint to the problems the video addresses.
all this guy is does throughout the movie is repeatedly say that most violent attacks is perpetrated by men (that's true), and blames masculinity and the action media. all he wants is to teach males to not be part of the masculine culture and be masculine and feminize, which i think is unhealthy and wrong.
I don't believe that's true at all. Women get more physical and are more likely to do so. It goes unreported because it isn't taken seriously. Most MEN today happen to be raised by women. See where the violence comes from?
Men who don't want to listen to this, who question this, should really look at themselves and ask why this makes them so defensive. This is a movement that needs to be addressed, unless the men watching this want to continue to be the highest perpetrators of violence against both men and women. This video is just a tool to start a discussion that we should already be having on a regular basis.
@pushelildaisies "Men who question this?" You said yourself that this video is a tool for discussion. If no-one questions this, or chimes in with their own opinion and view on the subject, then it's NOT a tool for discussion, it's just dogma. People should watch this, and questioning it is fine. It's not listening to it, just dismissing it as crap out of hand, that's wrong.
Personally, I only half agree. Is putting men under pressure to conform to the ideal of masculinity wrong? Yes. Is it the main cause of violence in society? I don't think so. Not even close. It is a factor, but not the biggest one by a long shot, if you ask me.
@pushelildaisies I get the impression that you assume any man who disagrees with this video are continuing to be perpetrators of violence, as if it is not possible for a man to endorse this feminist propaganda to be anything but violent? That's like using phrenology to make subjective value judgments on whether a person must be a criminal exclusively on the basis of physical characteristics.
What a crock! This idiot has a narrow stereotypical view of what masculinity is. He focus's on all the negatives which are universal to women too. Masculinity is responsible for civilization, society, progress, overcoming problems, the list goes on and on. Murder and violence is mandated on circumstances, defense and many other issues. Masculinity is fine, his distortion of it is completely wrong
@blackburn9 I don't think he's trying to say that masculinity is bad in and of itself, but that men are put under social pressure to fit the masculine ideal, and that some people's idea of the masculine ideal includes "violent, aggressive, etc.". I don't think that pressure to be "manly" is the main driving force behind violence in society, though.
@Talisguy Civilized society either puts people under social pressure to refrain from theft,murder, fraud and other reprehensible actions either because its been decided that the individual at base, favors complete opportunism over ethics. This form of absolutism doesn't take into account that people may refrain from them under their own rational system of values without compulsion from let's say the state....
@blackburn9 Yes, society does put people under pressure to not break laws etc., but if an individual is put under pressure from too many different angles, to be too many different things, and also experiences a lot of stress in his or her personal life, he or she can just SNAP. And then the idea of going on a killing spree can start to seem tempting...espeically if you're a teenager.
@Talisguy There are two fundamental ways to look at the individual within society. Is his willingness to refrain from opportunistic violence the result of deterrence from foreknowledge of socially impose consequences as law, or does he refrain because he knows right and wrong and strives to be ethical. The implication this video makes is that masculinity is an imposed value, rather than something striven for with positive values.
@blackburn9 Masculinity isn't bad or inherently wrong, it has good points and positive attributes attached to it, but the thing is, not every man is conventionally masculine, or is naturally comfortable to be so, and yet they're held to the same standards of what's "manly" as the men who are naturally masculine and who work well within that framework. So the guys who aren't "manly" can feel under a lot of pressure and stress to APPEAR "manly".
@Talisguy Though he shows numerous media clips he avoids crucial contexts. For instance several film clips feature violent or sexual behavior within a narrative where the offending character is the antagonist and the antagonists is supposed to operate from distorted, exaggerated perspectives. He doesn't include the many movies where women kill men or deceive and manipulate male characters.
I totally agree with this video. There is no such thing as a real man. Both men and women should be free to act how they want without worrying if they are being too feminine or masculine. After all, we're all different and trying to force "all" men or "all" women into one narrow category is stupid and pointless. Just because a man is gentle and enjoys cooking, cleaning, or gardening doesnt mean he's feminine or a wuss and a woman can play football and fight in wars if they want
you know what as I read these comments from Karlsmith00 and these males who hate women... I see nothing but hate... No solution but hate. Men and women would never get along as long as all this bullshit hate continues. both genders are fucking idiots
and what about gold diggers? the women's percentage would obviously be higher...... men are built to be aggressive, candid, less emotional.... the male sickos are an extreme exaggeration of what men are supposed to be. Women on the other hand have the advantage of seduction as they know that men are easily attracted by good looks hence many of them turn out to be gold digging whores!!!!!
this video is about male violence, and somehow you wind up whining about women! men aren't less emotional. they're the craziest fucking idiots, and have no control over their anger.
gold diggers? who the fuck let you use a computer, you dumb bitch? go take your crazy pills. and nobody wants you, that's why you can't get laid.
It's not that women wouldn't be violent if they could, they just don't have the physical prowess and hormonal profile to do it as effectively as men can.
This is bullshit when he used Bruce Lee as an example of a negative role model presented by the media. The man was a philosopher, an innovative mind, a husband, a good father to his children, and broke boundaries of race, culture, and tradition, and was non-violent in real life. His movies portrayed the dangers of violence and revenge. He has been an inspiration to me and this is coming from a white guy.
@BoondocksOfBoston Bruce Lee is awsome because of all what you said but what Jackson Katz focuses on is the stereotype that is typically portrayed by entertainment of a group of people not the individuals of said group.
Most tiresome subject of all subjects in the entire world. Yes, men are more violent etc then other. Yes there is a lot of things to do about it. It is, however, fundamentally ignorant to believe that stats would ever be equal for gender as our biology is not. Men will always be more violent as it is an effect of our levels of testhosterone and other biological facts etc etc. That does however not mean that we all have to be rapists, wifebeaters and get into fights. I am a male and I try not to.
You need to revisit those stats...99% of people in prison for rape are men? 95% of domestic violence perpetrated by men? How about the majority of rape is inflicted on men in prison and not male on female rape like society would have you believe? How about women being more prone to be violent towards their partners yet men will get arrested if they call the cops on their abusive girlfriends/wives in a lot of cases?
women are not prone to violence. women don't commit the vast majority of murders, assaults, robberies, or any other crimes. women aren't the problem in the congo, the middle east, or anywhere else in the world. men are on average 50 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller than women. don't try that BS.
the fact that an idiot like you would even tell such a stupid lie shows how dumb men are. stop lying and stop playing victim politics. men are the problem.
@karlsmith00 I agree that men are the "problem" as far as violence is concerned, but the origin of male violence is genetic in nature, not this environmental/cultural nonsense that Jackson Katz claims. Also, he uses nothing to back up his claim about Latino/Asian roles in Hollywood. He just asserts it and hopes no one will question it.
@FitnessByMatt it's both genetic and cultural. males are by their nature aggressive, but they will act more aggressively when they're in a situation when they know they can get away with it. if males are trained to understand they won't get away with it, crime will decrease.
for example, mass rape breaks out in every war, from germans in WWII to today in the congo. why? the women put on short skirts? no, the men know they can get away with it. it's biology, plus the situation.
@karlsmith00 Actually the Germans weren't known for mass rape, more for mass murder. In Russia where they had no restraints on them they were actively encouraged to abuse but while mass murder was commonplace mass gang rape was rare. The Soviets coming back the other way engaged in mass rape on an incredible scale. I have no idea why there were those differences, maybe the Nazis encouraged killing more.
@summerlight67 bullshit. germans raped plenty of russian women. they aren't "known" for it because what women went through wasn't considered important enough to be recorded in history. this was known but not included in the nuremberg trial, since it wasn't considered important enough to be a war crime. there wasn't a difference and it wasn't rare, just as thousands of chinese women were raped by japanese men. this happens everywhere.
@karlsmith00 "Don't run my mouth" ? Is that how you talk if someone says something you don't agree with? You say there wasn't a difference? No one would think I said the Germans didn't rape. They never raped on an industrial scale even approaching the Red Army, not even close. You think if the Germans gang raped their way across Russia, attacking women en masse everywhere it wouldn't even have been mentioned at Nuremburg? They didn't, the Russians did. That's a difference.
@summerlight67 it's not a matter of agreement, dear. it's fact.
germans mass raped in russia. russians mass raped in germany.
OF COURSE IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN NUREMBERG. the men that ran that trial specifically said they didn't want a bunch of crying women in the courtroom. nobody cares about women who are victims of war. it's happening right now in the congo, and nobody cares.
@karlsmith00 man created guns, dangerous chemicals and bombs to kill every innocent creature including his own kind..... I wish all these weren't invented.
@karlsmith00 those men do these awful things ...they are nothing but savages who have no respect for other people and for other living beings, they have no remorse, and they have no sympathy. It is true that man is the problem. Men like Bill Greathouse from TFL is an example of male ignorance. You may heard of Bill and TFL before. I saw your comments you made to those idiots
@karlsmith00 Humans are a product of their environment. Who's to say that said men didn't get beaten by their mother as a child? Ever heard of Henry Lee Lucas? Serial killer of an estimated 300 people. Why? Because his mother would beat him and emotionally abuse him as well as his legless father who killed himself because of the woman. He was brought up to hate life, by his own abusive mother. So where's the problem here?
@cancerslugg of course! MEN ACT CRAZY BECAUSE EXTERNAL FACTORS FORCE THEM TO! and of course, it's always MOTHERS, even though it's been documented for years that most child abusers are male. gotta blame women somehow!
child abuse is one thing. plenty of people go through without turning out to be killers. and plenty of men turn out crazy without abuse. it's biological too. males are biologically more violent and agressive. deal with it. and stop blaming women. idiot.
@MzLoathsome all this movie does is blame masculinity on every crime and says that masculity shoudn't be part of the culture. being masculine is part of a man's identity for most men and we take pride in that. i feel it's a movie of pointing fingers and blasphemous, so don't watch it.
hey, Ima gay dude and I put up this musculent shield arround me. Just so I dont get attacted. But if you were alone with me in a room. you will find out that Im such a girl at heart! I am so soft and sweet like candy :)
has anyone forgotten that there are some women who are masculine and some men who are feminine? I guess not because people are so full of shit.. It's hard for people to learn about the natural things in life
Sadly most of what he's saying is true. Masculinity is a poorly defined social construct based on power, violence, and control. Just as femininity is yet another poorly defined social construct based on dependence, softness and submissiveness.
There's absolutely no logic in living your life as a man or woman based on these.
I laugh at everyone who says women fantasize about these "strong" men. I know I don't! I love my boyfriend because he's gentle, and am disgusted by those "mysterious, strong, silent, buff" guys. My friends are the same way. We'll take the gamer 'geek' over the jock any day of the week. Men, you don't need to be peacocks, women don't recognize good genes for survival like most animals in the wild. Why? We don't need the sturdy builds anymore. We need emotion, stability, and love much more.
@wolfforce58205 Here, here! Humans have the wonderful ability to CHOOSE a respectful partner, as opposed to most animals. WE ARE NOT CONTROLLED BY SO-CALLED "INSTINCTS".
@streetfightsecrets Oh yeah, you're SO right, it's just cultural brain washed nonsense. I should be telling guys out there to go be peacocks instead, getting grotesquely buff, being the "strong silent" type, not show any emotion that isn't anger or courage, and whatever other things the mass-media is pushing for the time being. Yup, I'm just brain washed in to thinking that I love my boyfriend for any other reasons, ESPECIALLY ones that would be female-gender-identified. You know everything.
@wolfforce58205 whats "grotesque" about being "buff" by the way? do you just tell yourself you dont want those "buff jocks" to preemptively reject them before they reject you? Have you convinced yourself that you prefer "gamer geeks" because that is all you can get but you want to tell yourself its a choice on your part... when it isnt? Have you had a really good looking "buff" "jock" (sorry these americanisms make me cringe) approach you and rejected him as an exercise of your "choice"?
@streetfightsecrets I personally find it grotesque to have lumps of muscles that make you look like you have moobs, ridiculously huge arms, and no neck, and my friends agree with me. I'll give any guy a chance (though I've got to say, I don't care for jocks as a whole; my bro was one, and had friends over a lot, ugh, NOT interested!). Well, I would if I was single that is, lol. It's their PERSONALITY that counts, though personally I'd like to be attracted to their appearance as well.
@streetfightsecrets If you read my first post that I assume you're replying off of, you'd see that that's what I'm trying to get at: not all girls want some strong dude. We want a guy for what's inside: someone who we can depend on (stable), someone who shows/shares their feelings and cares about ours (emotion), and, of course, love...self-explanatory for a relationship....though I guess not ALL relationships are founded on love. Whatever floats your boat for that one I guess...
@DrShitandStank Tell that to the adult figures in my life who have been together for 20+ years and are still happy together, as well as my own relationship with my boyfriend (4 years and still madly in love ^_^ I realize that's not that long, but still, it's something! haha), or my friends and their relationships. As a whole, yeah, society seems to fail at relationships. They require hard work and effort...something most people like to avoid -_-; Found it on something strong though, not looks.
@DrShitandStank Congratulations to you on that (that's not sarcasm, I really do mean it). Don't demonize relationships though just because you would prefer not to have one. Some of us prefer to not be alone in that sense, haha.
@wolfforce58205 and some people prefer to be alone because of less headaches. Relationships can be pretty at first...but it can be a headache down the road. All depends on two people... I can say this to you.... i wish you and your boyfriend the longest lasting relationship..
@DrShitandStank Haha, well that's a shame if your relationships (intimate or friendly alike) only cause headaches. Not that it will always be sunshine and rainbows either though, lol, if a relationship didn't have its trails and rough-patches honestly I'd be concerned. Thank you for your kind wishes.
@wolfforce58205 if all men were to be like Justin Bieber then who'll be safeguarding the country? You think the Biebers have enough balls to shoot terrorists in the head? Obviously the world is not in war right now so people don't feel the need to have the Sylvester Stallones. Obviously modern girls like soft guys but respect tough men. Besides, very few actually work out and act manly these days. My younger brother's friends all look like the Biebers and Jonasses. Even he looks like one.
@giriisindahouse Lol, ok I've gotta say, I'm still secretly convinced that Justin Beiber is a girl (based on voice, at least). War is going on right now, I know a fine young gentleman enrolled in the army right now who has seen his friends and comrades die and had to work hard. A man doesn't HAVE to be tough to get girls is my point though here. What's with people thinking I am saying that no man SHOULD be tough?? Not what I'm saying at all! Geeze people. Men don't have to fit ANY stereotype.
Key Words, BEING A REAL MAN. it all boils down to mating rights. Being a real weak man as opposed to being a strong man means that the opposite sex is less attracted you. So it is all in reality a competition to be the alpha male. The media is only a mirror of what we really are. men will always try to be the best and get the best. Sorry but its true women dont fantasize about weak men. Another thing that really really is a turn off for women is bad breath so make sure you brush too !!!!!!!!!!
@vidx03 Yeah, you're only looking at Western culture. Try looking at many islands and indigenous people's cultures and you will see the gender roles flipped or like in Tahiti, non-existent. Sorry mate, but we are our culture and environment. Humans learn by watching and that is a fact.
I guess you are referring to matriarchal societies where there is a role reversal, but that still doesnt change the role of the human male as primary protector, these are natural laws and cannot be changed by society or culture. If you look at what men are attracted to physically, the truth is that men are also attracted to the healthiest and most genetically endowed women, given a choice we all desire the best.
@vidx03 No, there have been no matriarchal societies found in the world. I'm referring to egalitarian societies.
...Um, no, not in other non-western cultures men are not the primary protectors. Sorry, but gender roles are a part of culture, and thus they differ across different cultures. You are influenced by the gender norms of your culture, not by something "natural". That would not explain the many intersexed individuals and trans people out there.
@impatientwithdesire i will not be controlled or dominated by anyone male or female, i am what i am and will not be programmed by you or anyone . BTW how do you know masculinity has been dead for centuries do you time travel .How did you formulate your view on men , what gives you such wisdom so young . You sound like the standard controlling feminist trying to deconstruct biology and years of evolution with theories taken from some wacky womens studies class. Your agenda is hatred thats all.
@jakii2267 I appreciate what you're saying, it just seems to me that in this effort to make things 'fair' men are being penalised beyond reason. I could almost accept the legal system's bias if society could accept inequality in other areas. I'm all for equal opportunities and the best person for the job but this push to deny that men are any better at anything does nothing to help sexism in general. Men love women, at least i do. We just hate feminist double standards and inhumanity towards us.
@scamoosh I think you've misunderstood the point and purpose of the film. Men are not being penalized, THE SYSTEM OF SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION -- which includes men and women -- is wherein lies the problem!! Men/boys are only trying to follow the so-called "requirements" of what SOME (not all) people (mostly [white] men from waaaaay back, who initially set this so-called "standard" and the "double-standard") have deemed important. So, when watching this documentary, do so with an OPEN MIND!! Thanks!
@tueretreasures Maybe read my original comment and not the one that was specifically in response someone else's.
Anyway, I did watch the video with an 'OPEN MIND'. It makes out the only thing preventing a man acting like a woman is that we're too insecure. Admittedly, there are men (idiots) who are like this, but it's a small subset of men in general.
We're constantly told all masculine traits are destructive and evil. when was the last time you heard femininity slated in such a biased way?
That statistical argument was so biased. Firstly, the way he justified women's homicide by saying its mainly in self defense against violent men (notice there's nothing quantitative about this), also how many of these women just claimed that defense and got let off by a biased system? How many of those homicides were due to a woman's abuse and provocation? 'But wait! If a male is provoked into murder by a woman that's absolutely no excuse' right? why not the other way around then? Fucking sexist
I really hope all of these comments are Satire. I am pretending these are all misogynistic rants from Stephen Colbert. I'm waiting for someone to say sexism and homophobia don't exist, and does not fulfill to our agenda of bacon.
The core of masculinity does not derive from being male ‘Nor friendliness from those who console Your old grandmother says “Maybe you shouldn’t go to school, you look a little pale” Run when you hear that A fathers stern slaps are better Your bodily soul wants comforting The severe father wants clarity He scolds but eventually leads you into the open Pray for a tough instructor to hear and act and stay within you We have been busy accumulating solace Make us afraid of how we were.
Feminist mafia are trying to destroy manliness and emasculate all young men , don't tell me how to think or what to say mind your own damn business join an MRA group and fight back . Misandry is a crime against males , don't indulge the feminazis fight them.
@sillygoose544 do whatever you want, ya silly goose! don't be so angry. and what do you mean by pussy? is it an insult? i mean, if you like pussy, i don't get why you'd use it in a derogatory manner. just sayin.
@AudiGal09 Of course this turd makes me angry. And I don't call a woman's vagina a "pussy". That offends me. I call pussys pussys. And since he's a pussy who hates men, that's what I called him.
Anger is trying to call a complete stranger an angry homosexual when he didn't even direct his comment to you.
@NautyKnight So the video is sexist bullshit and you end your comment with, "enough with emasculating them to grow to be like women." The irony is absolutely Hilarious. Is it so bad to try and relieve just a little social pressure for some people?
So what they are saying is that they want males to be more like females. And they had a gay man narrating the video. This video disgusts me because it's basically saying that anything feminine is positive and anything masculine is negative. It's social engineering like this that is destroying relationships between men and women and will be the downfall of America and Europe. There's no need to socially condition males to be like females. There are other females for that. Men need to be men!
My aunt wants to beat hell out of this "man." I don't blame her. He is the antithesis of masculinity. Men (real men, that is) and women alike hate manginas like Jackson Katz. Do you know why men -- again, real men -- are masculine (i.e. behave like men)? Because they're men! It's that simple.
Oh, and though a great many violent crimes have been committed by men, the overwhelming majority of men are not violent criminals. Just thought I should state that fact.
So...basically a man who isnt a real man ....is a woman correct?
So...you are saying that there is something WRONG with being a woman, right?
So...you DO see how that proves his very argument.
Males.
Men haven't been around for centuries.
Thinking with your penis would equate you to being a rabbit or baboon. Not a man. A man isn't afraid to show feelings. A man doesnt label other men degrading sexist names. A man doesnt need hollywood to tell him what a man REALLY IS.
@impatientwithdesire Typo on first response I meant to say "I'm getting that from the video because the video is condemning masculine traits by only exhibiting examples from the media portraying men doing negative things"
@lnsertCleverName I watched the whole thing (and kept from losing my lunch, good for me!). in answer to your question, he says something like "while its not women's fault that men are violent (sure), they should HELP by choosing less violent mates". Shows you exactly the mindset in this video and the inevitable disgusting, misandrist conclusion it arrives at. I think watching the whole thing could be a good vaccine for you, provided you can stomach it, of course.
No, he said women should help by not glamorizing the violent male stereotype. When women want "the bad boy", they are contributing to the culture of violent masculinity. When women change what they desire in a mate, heterosexual men will change their attitudes in order to appeal to that. Or a good number will, anyway.
@monny287 I stand corrected, just could not bring myself to watching this video again to hear what was said. so I qouted from memory. But 'culture of violent maculinity' ? what planet do you live on? you are just as delusional as that katz person. reality is different then the hysteria raised by feminist dogma.
you ask people who are from gangs or are fatherless(various reason) und think their answers av tough und intimidating are valid? und it's different per kultur, we ARE ALL DIFFERENT in our Kulturs und such
Sooo, if a male ceo is powerful and an alpha, then he's a violent and physical tyrant, but if a female ceo has the same traits, then shes a strong and independent go-getter, right?
@AudiGal09 My comment was a rhetorical question reflecting this documentary's bias and incorrect views based on genders, sooo thanks for pointing out the obvious.
@impatientwithdesire He would be considered violent and physical just because he is a man. Violence and physical tyrany is not ok with any demographic at all, but that's not the problem. The problem is that all men are portrayed as a potential tyrant. I'm getting that from the video because the video is condemning masculine traits when exhibited by men and only show men doing negative things with their power.
You are getting that from the video because you are being insecure.
You learned that real men arent questioned and therefore this shocksyou
Funny things you guys fail to realize.
Your negative and misinformed reactions reinforce EXACTLY what he is pointing out.
But you aren't willing to see that. You aren't willing to see that you LEARNED 99% of what you do as a "man." You actually think its all natural.You dont realize the intersections of societal norms, religion and media
I'm getting it from the video because I'm using a basic skill we learn in the 1st grade known as reading between the lines.
What are real men not questioned about?
My negative reaction is the same reaction I would give to a video that portrayed all black people as ghetto thugs or all lower class people as trailer trash.
Why do you think our society teaches us gender roles in the first place, what came first, the chicken or the egg?
If you are not able to see that its obvious that men and boys(and women and girls) learn a majorityof what they do and think then of course you wont see this video as a helping hand.
Jackson Kat is a real man cause he genuinely thinks for himself
YOU DEFINE A "REAL MAN" through societal vocabulary and mores-but thats contradictory! You are just reiterating everything you learned at some point in time-THAT ISNT REAL FOR ANY GENDER!
Thinking for yourself and sexism/racism are antonyms
@impatientwithdesire I couldn't care less if a man is effeminate or masculine, you're accusing me of hating Mr Kat for not conforming to the masculine male role? You're wrong. On the contrary, I dislike him because he is condemming masculine males.
"fitting into a narrow box that defines manhood" ummm....how exactly is that attacking masculine men?
#2
He is defending his argument with images so the masses would understand more. Did you want him to show ponies? How would that make sense?
#3
He is SAYING that manufactured masculinity portrayed in media represents violence. He never calls out Joe, Bob or Dick. He is recognizing media and society.
#4
Statistics are SUPPOSED to be used. Have you never been to college?
1. Implying that masculinity is nothing but mindless conformity to society.
2. Ponies aren't necessary but he could have shown a video of a firefighter saving someone or a police officer stopping a robbery...oh wait, this is a biased documentary, nvm.
3. same as 2
4. There's nothing wrong with statistics...unless they are used in a biased way
(example, 90+ percent of crimes are done by men? Well, what percentage of the male population actually commit crimes?)
#5 Umm..what are you asking? HE EXPLAINS HIS VERY POINT RIGHT THERE! He isnt blaming men per se- he is recognizing social medias and mores that men have accepted.
#6
Transform it into maybe something that doesnt soley marginalize you into pussy-sports-aggressive babbling idiots.
@Krogoth04 positive portrayalof men in the media such as what? And why exactly does he need to show that within this piece?
2- If all men are not like that and you know that- why does he need to say it? Are you a child? You need reassurance within data???
3- You are mincing words because you are creating a negative correlation that wasnt even there. He never said tough=violent and he never said all. He never once said any of those were absolute laws or parallel to each other.
Guys who watch too much tv+ told lies by society = acting "tough" all the time even when it is unnecessary PLUS acting violent because of a, b, and c.
They all work together.
The woman at 4:40 - listen to her for a simpler example of what he is saying.
@Krogoth04 You've missed the point entirely. The film is saying that men are not allowed by societal norms to be anything but "powerful" and an "alpha". And for the record, Women are not considered "strong and independent" as a CEO. They are usually called "Bitches".
@vivlingdarling Oh, thanks for clarifying the point of this video for me without the use of caps yelling, flaming, or bashing males, I really appreciate it. As for the ceo analogy, I wasn't talking about reality, but the warped double standard many radical feminists have.
Our issues here have more to do with our perceptions of masculinity than male or female. Being a man has little to do with physical prowess and superiority. That just makes you a boy that shaves. Men are inwardly strong but able to demonstrate true strength in humility, meekness (strength under control), patience. THOSE are traits which exhibit real strength and it's rarely seen in 'tough-guys' because those guys aren't men. They're boys that shave.
We all have to live and die, so the truth about life and death concerns and applies to us all. True or false? Search "TRUTH CONTEST" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says to learn the Truth. Let's get serious and honest about the truth of life.
I think he makes some good points. While it is certainly natural for men to act different from women, there are too many images in the media equating masculinity with violence
NancyHey 6 days ago
My issue with this documentary is that it denounces the masculine nature as a learned product of the media; which seeks to dominate and destroy. People misjudge boys and men, they aren't given the benefit of the doubt.
At part 7, Jackson didn't give a precise solution to this problem. He means well but I think he's is incorrect.
If you don't agree tell me why
Without proper management, masculine energy can be: aggressive, unruly, mischievious, anxious, apathetic, chaotic, or worse.
TWBennett1 1 week ago
Men don't CONCEAL their emotions they CONTROL them. Anger can blind one's judgement and empathy can manipulate your intentions. Men have emotions they are just MORE CAREFUL WITH THEM.
Independence is stressed because guardians can't always protect you, you'll become an adult or maybe a parent someday. People will eventually depend on to you.
Men disregard their problems to keep others safe. This is Service Before Self.
"WITH GREAT POWER, COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY"
TWBennett1 1 week ago
But I think he stops short of the BIG PICTURE. Despite the criticisms to manhood this video supports; he takes qualities of adolescent boys/ young men and demonizes them. Due to testosterone, boys: Behave more wildly, Compete with more assertiveness, Engage in physical labor, Have more energy to expand.
Males explore dangerous activities to test their limits and achieve a higher potential: like Chan, Norris, Knievel, Bruce Lee, Bolt, or Phelps. Males view their body as a tool to take action.
TWBennett1 1 week ago
Now I've have seen the film numerous times & think he makes a valid argument. Today's males feel lost. Many engage in destructive mannerisms that harm people or society. Males struggle to mature or release stress in the 21 century, and as a result they have become a concern.
He believes 'Violent Masculinity' is harmful to boys today because of the modern mediums. His idea of 'False Manhood' males desire is fascinating because it reaches deep into the male nature and our culture's stereotypes.
TWBennett1 1 week ago
Jackson Katz, as a man, I am surprised that you put so much emphasis on negative male behaviors without once recognizing the many positive qualities males have. It's true much violence and crime are committed by men but even more men stand up to protect the law and defend those who are at danger from attackers, be them male or female.
I think you are confusing your audience by assuring them that there are no positive outlets boys to become decent men. And men are being raised to be violent.
TWBennett1 1 week ago
@TWBennett1 OMFG why is there ALWAYS someone who has to have this little rant? (You're being mean to men! We're nice sometimes, too!) THIS VIDEO IS NOT ABOUT THE POSITIVE QUALITIES of masculinity FFS. To challenge the issues you need to confront them, not sugar-coat and hand-hold.
Danceswithyewtube 1 week ago
@Danceswithyewtube I must say I adore account profile id; you seem quite witty.
But it seems I have stirred up some confusion with you. And I apologize for my earlier remark, if it has given you the wrong impression about me. I am not complaining about 'Man bashing' or 'being mean to men'. I do not wish to seem one-sided or discredit Jackson Katz. Nor do I mean to be offensive to the audience. My response was meant to open another viewpoint to the problems the video addresses.
TWBennett1 1 week ago
all this guy is does throughout the movie is repeatedly say that most violent attacks is perpetrated by men (that's true), and blames masculinity and the action media. all he wants is to teach males to not be part of the masculine culture and be masculine and feminize, which i think is unhealthy and wrong.
coolfool425 1 week ago
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I don't believe that's true at all. Women get more physical and are more likely to do so. It goes unreported because it isn't taken seriously. Most MEN today happen to be raised by women. See where the violence comes from?
HookemHorns972 5 days ago
Use of false statistics, cherry picking from a bunch of idiots, victimizing women, ignoring the single mother influence, rubbish video.
avdmeers 2 weeks ago in playlist Feminism, Feminists, Women's Issues, Gender
@avdmeers it definitely is. I feel sorry for the people that fall for this false information.
vivasmallmexico 2 weeks ago
Men who don't want to listen to this, who question this, should really look at themselves and ask why this makes them so defensive. This is a movement that needs to be addressed, unless the men watching this want to continue to be the highest perpetrators of violence against both men and women. This video is just a tool to start a discussion that we should already be having on a regular basis.
pushelildaisies 3 weeks ago
@pushelildaisies "Men who question this?" You said yourself that this video is a tool for discussion. If no-one questions this, or chimes in with their own opinion and view on the subject, then it's NOT a tool for discussion, it's just dogma. People should watch this, and questioning it is fine. It's not listening to it, just dismissing it as crap out of hand, that's wrong.
Talisguy 3 weeks ago
@Talisguy Thanks, that actually helps my point. I agree.
pushelildaisies 3 weeks ago
@pushelildaisies I'm glad. :)
Personally, I only half agree. Is putting men under pressure to conform to the ideal of masculinity wrong? Yes. Is it the main cause of violence in society? I don't think so. Not even close. It is a factor, but not the biggest one by a long shot, if you ask me.
Talisguy 3 weeks ago
@pushelildaisies I get the impression that you assume any man who disagrees with this video are continuing to be perpetrators of violence, as if it is not possible for a man to endorse this feminist propaganda to be anything but violent? That's like using phrenology to make subjective value judgments on whether a person must be a criminal exclusively on the basis of physical characteristics.
blackburn9 3 weeks ago
@blackburn9 I'm actually not attempting to paint all men with this brush, my comment was just lazy. Apologies.
pushelildaisies 3 weeks ago
What a crock! This idiot has a narrow stereotypical view of what masculinity is. He focus's on all the negatives which are universal to women too. Masculinity is responsible for civilization, society, progress, overcoming problems, the list goes on and on. Murder and violence is mandated on circumstances, defense and many other issues. Masculinity is fine, his distortion of it is completely wrong
blackburn9 1 month ago
@blackburn9 I don't think he's trying to say that masculinity is bad in and of itself, but that men are put under social pressure to fit the masculine ideal, and that some people's idea of the masculine ideal includes "violent, aggressive, etc.". I don't think that pressure to be "manly" is the main driving force behind violence in society, though.
Talisguy 3 weeks ago
@Talisguy Civilized society either puts people under social pressure to refrain from theft,murder, fraud and other reprehensible actions either because its been decided that the individual at base, favors complete opportunism over ethics. This form of absolutism doesn't take into account that people may refrain from them under their own rational system of values without compulsion from let's say the state....
blackburn9 3 weeks ago
@blackburn9 Yes, society does put people under pressure to not break laws etc., but if an individual is put under pressure from too many different angles, to be too many different things, and also experiences a lot of stress in his or her personal life, he or she can just SNAP. And then the idea of going on a killing spree can start to seem tempting...espeically if you're a teenager.
Talisguy 2 weeks ago
@Talisguy There are two fundamental ways to look at the individual within society. Is his willingness to refrain from opportunistic violence the result of deterrence from foreknowledge of socially impose consequences as law, or does he refrain because he knows right and wrong and strives to be ethical. The implication this video makes is that masculinity is an imposed value, rather than something striven for with positive values.
blackburn9 3 weeks ago
@blackburn9 Masculinity isn't bad or inherently wrong, it has good points and positive attributes attached to it, but the thing is, not every man is conventionally masculine, or is naturally comfortable to be so, and yet they're held to the same standards of what's "manly" as the men who are naturally masculine and who work well within that framework. So the guys who aren't "manly" can feel under a lot of pressure and stress to APPEAR "manly".
Talisguy 2 weeks ago
@Talisguy Though he shows numerous media clips he avoids crucial contexts. For instance several film clips feature violent or sexual behavior within a narrative where the offending character is the antagonist and the antagonists is supposed to operate from distorted, exaggerated perspectives. He doesn't include the many movies where women kill men or deceive and manipulate male characters.
blackburn9 3 weeks ago
I think that the best type of society is a society with complete gender equality.
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
I totally agree with this video. There is no such thing as a real man. Both men and women should be free to act how they want without worrying if they are being too feminine or masculine. After all, we're all different and trying to force "all" men or "all" women into one narrow category is stupid and pointless. Just because a man is gentle and enjoys cooking, cleaning, or gardening doesnt mean he's feminine or a wuss and a woman can play football and fight in wars if they want
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
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you know what as I read these comments from Karlsmith00 and these males who hate women... I see nothing but hate... No solution but hate. Men and women would never get along as long as all this bullshit hate continues. both genders are fucking idiots
DrShitandStank 1 month ago
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DrShitandStank 1 month ago
Who the hell elected Jackson Katz as the spokesman for masculinity?
MrMuffStench 1 month ago
@MrMuffStench
what's wrong with Jackson Katz
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
I don't want a Nice Guy or an Asshole. I want my ideal man!
jake5fiend 1 month ago
and what about gold diggers? the women's percentage would obviously be higher...... men are built to be aggressive, candid, less emotional.... the male sickos are an extreme exaggeration of what men are supposed to be. Women on the other hand have the advantage of seduction as they know that men are easily attracted by good looks hence many of them turn out to be gold digging whores!!!!!
rbhavan 1 month ago
@rbhavan yes, ESPECIALLY YOUR MOTHER!
this video is about male violence, and somehow you wind up whining about women! men aren't less emotional. they're the craziest fucking idiots, and have no control over their anger.
gold diggers? who the fuck let you use a computer, you dumb bitch? go take your crazy pills. and nobody wants you, that's why you can't get laid.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
@karlsmith00
Not all men cant control their anger, have you ever seen Buddhist Monks, they are men and most of them seem very at peace and in control
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DrShitandStank 1 month ago
It's not that women wouldn't be violent if they could, they just don't have the physical prowess and hormonal profile to do it as effectively as men can.
FitnessByMatt 1 month ago
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This is pretty biased
Mephisto2913 2 months ago
This is bullshit when he used Bruce Lee as an example of a negative role model presented by the media. The man was a philosopher, an innovative mind, a husband, a good father to his children, and broke boundaries of race, culture, and tradition, and was non-violent in real life. His movies portrayed the dangers of violence and revenge. He has been an inspiration to me and this is coming from a white guy.
BoondocksOfBoston 2 months ago
@BoondocksOfBoston Bruce Lee is awsome because of all what you said but what Jackson Katz focuses on is the stereotype that is typically portrayed by entertainment of a group of people not the individuals of said group.
ganondorfcide 1 month ago
Most tiresome subject of all subjects in the entire world. Yes, men are more violent etc then other. Yes there is a lot of things to do about it. It is, however, fundamentally ignorant to believe that stats would ever be equal for gender as our biology is not. Men will always be more violent as it is an effect of our levels of testhosterone and other biological facts etc etc. That does however not mean that we all have to be rapists, wifebeaters and get into fights. I am a male and I try not to.
MrFishhunter 2 months ago
i watched the video in my anger management program lol
mo96afa 2 months ago
@mo96afa what, did you beat up your girlfriend? i'm sure she did something to force you to do it, though. it's not your fault.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
He had me up until he brough out the figures.
TheLordmep 2 months ago
You need to revisit those stats...99% of people in prison for rape are men? 95% of domestic violence perpetrated by men? How about the majority of rape is inflicted on men in prison and not male on female rape like society would have you believe? How about women being more prone to be violent towards their partners yet men will get arrested if they call the cops on their abusive girlfriends/wives in a lot of cases?
gheberf558 2 months ago
@gheberf558 BULLSHIT.
women are not prone to violence. women don't commit the vast majority of murders, assaults, robberies, or any other crimes. women aren't the problem in the congo, the middle east, or anywhere else in the world. men are on average 50 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller than women. don't try that BS.
the fact that an idiot like you would even tell such a stupid lie shows how dumb men are. stop lying and stop playing victim politics. men are the problem.
karlsmith00 2 months ago
@karlsmith00 I agree that men are the "problem" as far as violence is concerned, but the origin of male violence is genetic in nature, not this environmental/cultural nonsense that Jackson Katz claims. Also, he uses nothing to back up his claim about Latino/Asian roles in Hollywood. He just asserts it and hopes no one will question it.
FitnessByMatt 1 month ago
@FitnessByMatt it's both genetic and cultural. males are by their nature aggressive, but they will act more aggressively when they're in a situation when they know they can get away with it. if males are trained to understand they won't get away with it, crime will decrease.
for example, mass rape breaks out in every war, from germans in WWII to today in the congo. why? the women put on short skirts? no, the men know they can get away with it. it's biology, plus the situation.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 Actually the Germans weren't known for mass rape, more for mass murder. In Russia where they had no restraints on them they were actively encouraged to abuse but while mass murder was commonplace mass gang rape was rare. The Soviets coming back the other way engaged in mass rape on an incredible scale. I have no idea why there were those differences, maybe the Nazis encouraged killing more.
summerlight67 1 month ago
@summerlight67 bullshit. germans raped plenty of russian women. they aren't "known" for it because what women went through wasn't considered important enough to be recorded in history. this was known but not included in the nuremberg trial, since it wasn't considered important enough to be a war crime. there wasn't a difference and it wasn't rare, just as thousands of chinese women were raped by japanese men. this happens everywhere.
don't run your mouth when you're ignorant.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 "Don't run my mouth" ? Is that how you talk if someone says something you don't agree with? You say there wasn't a difference? No one would think I said the Germans didn't rape. They never raped on an industrial scale even approaching the Red Army, not even close. You think if the Germans gang raped their way across Russia, attacking women en masse everywhere it wouldn't even have been mentioned at Nuremburg? They didn't, the Russians did. That's a difference.
summerlight67 1 month ago
@summerlight67 it's not a matter of agreement, dear. it's fact.
germans mass raped in russia. russians mass raped in germany.
OF COURSE IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN NUREMBERG. the men that ran that trial specifically said they didn't want a bunch of crying women in the courtroom. nobody cares about women who are victims of war. it's happening right now in the congo, and nobody cares.
you're a fucking idiot. shut up.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 It's alright I see you're a psycho.lol. Have a nice day.
summerlight67 1 month ago
@summerlight67 great response to the facts. good job.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 actually ... humans are the problem
DrShitandStank 1 month ago
@DrShitandStank actually, MALE humans are the problem. women don't commit mass rape, genocide, and large scale crime.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
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DrShitandStank 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 man created guns, dangerous chemicals and bombs to kill every innocent creature including his own kind..... I wish all these weren't invented.
DrShitandStank 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 those men do these awful things ...they are nothing but savages who have no respect for other people and for other living beings, they have no remorse, and they have no sympathy. It is true that man is the problem. Men like Bill Greathouse from TFL is an example of male ignorance. You may heard of Bill and TFL before. I saw your comments you made to those idiots
DrShitandStank 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 Humans are a product of their environment. Who's to say that said men didn't get beaten by their mother as a child? Ever heard of Henry Lee Lucas? Serial killer of an estimated 300 people. Why? Because his mother would beat him and emotionally abuse him as well as his legless father who killed himself because of the woman. He was brought up to hate life, by his own abusive mother. So where's the problem here?
cancerslugg 1 month ago
@cancerslugg of course! MEN ACT CRAZY BECAUSE EXTERNAL FACTORS FORCE THEM TO! and of course, it's always MOTHERS, even though it's been documented for years that most child abusers are male. gotta blame women somehow!
child abuse is one thing. plenty of people go through without turning out to be killers. and plenty of men turn out crazy without abuse. it's biological too. males are biologically more violent and agressive. deal with it. and stop blaming women. idiot.
karlsmith00 1 month ago
people should watch the full video its really something, especially men need to watch this, just for the sake of watching it.
MzLoathsome 2 months ago 8
@MzLoathsome all this movie does is blame masculinity on every crime and says that masculity shoudn't be part of the culture. being masculine is part of a man's identity for most men and we take pride in that. i feel it's a movie of pointing fingers and blasphemous, so don't watch it.
coolfool425 2 weeks ago
hey, Ima gay dude and I put up this musculent shield arround me. Just so I dont get attacted. But if you were alone with me in a room. you will find out that Im such a girl at heart! I am so soft and sweet like candy :)
DANCER720ful 2 months ago
has anyone forgotten that there are some women who are masculine and some men who are feminine? I guess not because people are so full of shit.. It's hard for people to learn about the natural things in life
DrShitandStank 2 months ago
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Sadly most of what he's saying is true. Masculinity is a poorly defined social construct based on power, violence, and control. Just as femininity is yet another poorly defined social construct based on dependence, softness and submissiveness.
There's absolutely no logic in living your life as a man or woman based on these.
MiSSxxEMS 2 months ago
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MiSSxxEMS 2 months ago
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I laugh at everyone who says women fantasize about these "strong" men. I know I don't! I love my boyfriend because he's gentle, and am disgusted by those "mysterious, strong, silent, buff" guys. My friends are the same way. We'll take the gamer 'geek' over the jock any day of the week. Men, you don't need to be peacocks, women don't recognize good genes for survival like most animals in the wild. Why? We don't need the sturdy builds anymore. We need emotion, stability, and love much more.
wolfforce58205 3 months ago 5
@wolfforce58205 Here, here! Humans have the wonderful ability to CHOOSE a respectful partner, as opposed to most animals. WE ARE NOT CONTROLLED BY SO-CALLED "INSTINCTS".
WrathoftheGoddess 3 months ago
@wolfforce58205 oh please, what culturally brain washed nonsense
streetfightsecrets 2 months ago
@streetfightsecrets Oh yeah, you're SO right, it's just cultural brain washed nonsense. I should be telling guys out there to go be peacocks instead, getting grotesquely buff, being the "strong silent" type, not show any emotion that isn't anger or courage, and whatever other things the mass-media is pushing for the time being. Yup, I'm just brain washed in to thinking that I love my boyfriend for any other reasons, ESPECIALLY ones that would be female-gender-identified. You know everything.
wolfforce58205 2 months ago
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streetfightsecrets 2 months ago
@wolfforce58205 whats "grotesque" about being "buff" by the way? do you just tell yourself you dont want those "buff jocks" to preemptively reject them before they reject you? Have you convinced yourself that you prefer "gamer geeks" because that is all you can get but you want to tell yourself its a choice on your part... when it isnt? Have you had a really good looking "buff" "jock" (sorry these americanisms make me cringe) approach you and rejected him as an exercise of your "choice"?
streetfightsecrets 2 months ago
@streetfightsecrets I personally find it grotesque to have lumps of muscles that make you look like you have moobs, ridiculously huge arms, and no neck, and my friends agree with me. I'll give any guy a chance (though I've got to say, I don't care for jocks as a whole; my bro was one, and had friends over a lot, ugh, NOT interested!). Well, I would if I was single that is, lol. It's their PERSONALITY that counts, though personally I'd like to be attracted to their appearance as well.
wolfforce58205 2 months ago
@streetfightsecrets If you read my first post that I assume you're replying off of, you'd see that that's what I'm trying to get at: not all girls want some strong dude. We want a guy for what's inside: someone who we can depend on (stable), someone who shows/shares their feelings and cares about ours (emotion), and, of course, love...self-explanatory for a relationship....though I guess not ALL relationships are founded on love. Whatever floats your boat for that one I guess...
wolfforce58205 2 months ago
@wolfforce58205 and all that would not last long. men and women are failures in relationships...
DrShitandStank 2 months ago
@DrShitandStank Tell that to the adult figures in my life who have been together for 20+ years and are still happy together, as well as my own relationship with my boyfriend (4 years and still madly in love ^_^ I realize that's not that long, but still, it's something! haha), or my friends and their relationships. As a whole, yeah, society seems to fail at relationships. They require hard work and effort...something most people like to avoid -_-; Found it on something strong though, not looks.
wolfforce58205 2 months ago
@wolfforce58205 have been single all my life and I am happy. I don't want to get married
DrShitandStank 2 months ago
@DrShitandStank Congratulations to you on that (that's not sarcasm, I really do mean it). Don't demonize relationships though just because you would prefer not to have one. Some of us prefer to not be alone in that sense, haha.
wolfforce58205 2 months ago
@wolfforce58205 and some people prefer to be alone because of less headaches. Relationships can be pretty at first...but it can be a headache down the road. All depends on two people... I can say this to you.... i wish you and your boyfriend the longest lasting relationship..
DrShitandStank 2 months ago
@DrShitandStank Haha, well that's a shame if your relationships (intimate or friendly alike) only cause headaches. Not that it will always be sunshine and rainbows either though, lol, if a relationship didn't have its trails and rough-patches honestly I'd be concerned. Thank you for your kind wishes.
wolfforce58205 2 months ago
@wolfforce58205 if all men were to be like Justin Bieber then who'll be safeguarding the country? You think the Biebers have enough balls to shoot terrorists in the head? Obviously the world is not in war right now so people don't feel the need to have the Sylvester Stallones. Obviously modern girls like soft guys but respect tough men. Besides, very few actually work out and act manly these days. My younger brother's friends all look like the Biebers and Jonasses. Even he looks like one.
giriisindahouse 2 months ago
@giriisindahouse Lol, ok I've gotta say, I'm still secretly convinced that Justin Beiber is a girl (based on voice, at least). War is going on right now, I know a fine young gentleman enrolled in the army right now who has seen his friends and comrades die and had to work hard. A man doesn't HAVE to be tough to get girls is my point though here. What's with people thinking I am saying that no man SHOULD be tough?? Not what I'm saying at all! Geeze people. Men don't have to fit ANY stereotype.
wolfforce58205 2 months ago
Key Words, BEING A REAL MAN. it all boils down to mating rights. Being a real weak man as opposed to being a strong man means that the opposite sex is less attracted you. So it is all in reality a competition to be the alpha male. The media is only a mirror of what we really are. men will always try to be the best and get the best. Sorry but its true women dont fantasize about weak men. Another thing that really really is a turn off for women is bad breath so make sure you brush too !!!!!!!!!!
vidx03 3 months ago
@vidx03 Yeah, you're only looking at Western culture. Try looking at many islands and indigenous people's cultures and you will see the gender roles flipped or like in Tahiti, non-existent. Sorry mate, but we are our culture and environment. Humans learn by watching and that is a fact.
WrathoftheGoddess 3 months ago
I guess you are referring to matriarchal societies where there is a role reversal, but that still doesnt change the role of the human male as primary protector, these are natural laws and cannot be changed by society or culture. If you look at what men are attracted to physically, the truth is that men are also attracted to the healthiest and most genetically endowed women, given a choice we all desire the best.
vidx03 2 months ago
@vidx03 No, there have been no matriarchal societies found in the world. I'm referring to egalitarian societies.
...Um, no, not in other non-western cultures men are not the primary protectors. Sorry, but gender roles are a part of culture, and thus they differ across different cultures. You are influenced by the gender norms of your culture, not by something "natural". That would not explain the many intersexed individuals and trans people out there.
WrathoftheGoddess 2 months ago
nigger
Shankintime 3 months ago
Why are men so afraid of hearing the truth?
How can you be a real man if you cry and yell at any chance that you are given to talk about yourselves outside of a ball or video game?
How can real men be real in such limited ways? CONTRADICTIONS BOYS.
You are much weaker than you think. MUCH WEAKER. In fact, 99% of you are simply products of society - you defend being made into robots. IDIOTS
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
@impatientwithdesire i will not be controlled or dominated by anyone male or female, i am what i am and will not be programmed by you or anyone . BTW how do you know masculinity has been dead for centuries do you time travel .How did you formulate your view on men , what gives you such wisdom so young . You sound like the standard controlling feminist trying to deconstruct biology and years of evolution with theories taken from some wacky womens studies class. Your agenda is hatred thats all.
anto1191 3 months ago
i have a question, what should be done about this ?
vidx03 3 months ago
@vidx03 ignore what he is saying it is based on lies , live your own life you are not a drone to be programmed .
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scamoosh 3 months ago
@jakii2267 I appreciate what you're saying, it just seems to me that in this effort to make things 'fair' men are being penalised beyond reason. I could almost accept the legal system's bias if society could accept inequality in other areas. I'm all for equal opportunities and the best person for the job but this push to deny that men are any better at anything does nothing to help sexism in general. Men love women, at least i do. We just hate feminist double standards and inhumanity towards us.
scamoosh 3 months ago
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@scamoosh I think you've misunderstood the point and purpose of the film. Men are not being penalized, THE SYSTEM OF SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION -- which includes men and women -- is wherein lies the problem!! Men/boys are only trying to follow the so-called "requirements" of what SOME (not all) people (mostly [white] men from waaaaay back, who initially set this so-called "standard" and the "double-standard") have deemed important. So, when watching this documentary, do so with an OPEN MIND!! Thanks!
tueretreasures 3 months ago 5
@tueretreasures Maybe read my original comment and not the one that was specifically in response someone else's.
Anyway, I did watch the video with an 'OPEN MIND'. It makes out the only thing preventing a man acting like a woman is that we're too insecure. Admittedly, there are men (idiots) who are like this, but it's a small subset of men in general.
We're constantly told all masculine traits are destructive and evil. when was the last time you heard femininity slated in such a biased way?
scamoosh 3 months ago
That statistical argument was so biased. Firstly, the way he justified women's homicide by saying its mainly in self defense against violent men (notice there's nothing quantitative about this), also how many of these women just claimed that defense and got let off by a biased system? How many of those homicides were due to a woman's abuse and provocation? 'But wait! If a male is provoked into murder by a woman that's absolutely no excuse' right? why not the other way around then? Fucking sexist
scamoosh 3 months ago
I really hope all of these comments are Satire. I am pretending these are all misogynistic rants from Stephen Colbert. I'm waiting for someone to say sexism and homophobia don't exist, and does not fulfill to our agenda of bacon.
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yankydoodle83 4 months ago
The stats are a fucking fake......
guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
yankydoodle83 4 months ago
This guy is a fucking magina, he want us to be like women
90talisten 4 months ago
What a giant mangina.
bbbbbb222222 4 months ago
So, ummm, where exactly does he gets these stats from?
Qanan 4 months ago
I bet this man gets very confused when he sees men loving their children and wives.
DiwataMan 4 months ago
Feminist mafia are trying to destroy manliness and emasculate all young men , don't tell me how to think or what to say mind your own damn business join an MRA group and fight back . Misandry is a crime against males , don't indulge the feminazis fight them.
anto1191 4 months ago
@anto1191 Manliness has been lost for centuries
YOU GUYS NEVER HAD IT. You are all 10% of what you really could be. And you are fucking idiots defending it.
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
So we should act like women? Is that the answer? Act like women to impress women? Pussy. I'd rather act like myself to impress myself.
sillygoose544 4 months ago
@sillygoose544
Fuck yeah
90talisten 4 months ago
@sillygoose544 do whatever you want, ya silly goose! don't be so angry. and what do you mean by pussy? is it an insult? i mean, if you like pussy, i don't get why you'd use it in a derogatory manner. just sayin.
AudiGal09 3 months ago
@AudiGal09 Of course this turd makes me angry. And I don't call a woman's vagina a "pussy". That offends me. I call pussys pussys. And since he's a pussy who hates men, that's what I called him.
Anger is trying to call a complete stranger an angry homosexual when he didn't even direct his comment to you.
sillygoose544 3 months ago
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@NautyKnight So the video is sexist bullshit and you end your comment with, "enough with emasculating them to grow to be like women." The irony is absolutely Hilarious. Is it so bad to try and relieve just a little social pressure for some people?
nayster707 4 months ago
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nayster707 4 months ago
So what they are saying is that they want males to be more like females. And they had a gay man narrating the video. This video disgusts me because it's basically saying that anything feminine is positive and anything masculine is negative. It's social engineering like this that is destroying relationships between men and women and will be the downfall of America and Europe. There's no need to socially condition males to be like females. There are other females for that. Men need to be men!
NautyKnight 4 months ago
That guy is a wussy fag
AceHound46 4 months ago 2
@AceHound46 Calling him a "wussy fag"
proves his argument you imbecile
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
bs video
poweroftheatom 4 months ago
You're treated with more violence and/or disrespect if you do not adopt the "tough guise"---from women AND men. Men, take martial arts!
openfist247 4 months ago
You're treated with more violence and/or disrespect if you do not adopt the "tough guise"---from women AND men. Men, take martial arts!
openfist247 4 months ago
This video is sooo full of BS it's laughable.
GvKc67 4 months ago
WARNING: the stats presented here are UTTER *LIES*.
Search for the manwomanmyth videos on youtube for the true stats.
Andybaby 4 months ago 5
Completely wrong statistics.
This is what a Feminist looks like.
meninrevolt 4 months ago
My aunt wants to beat hell out of this "man." I don't blame her. He is the antithesis of masculinity. Men (real men, that is) and women alike hate manginas like Jackson Katz. Do you know why men -- again, real men -- are masculine (i.e. behave like men)? Because they're men! It's that simple.
Oh, and though a great many violent crimes have been committed by men, the overwhelming majority of men are not violent criminals. Just thought I should state that fact.
clumpofdirt77 4 months ago 3
@c-mangina?
So...basically a man who isnt a real man ....is a woman correct?
So...you are saying that there is something WRONG with being a woman, right?
So...you DO see how that proves his very argument.
Males.
Men haven't been around for centuries.
Thinking with your penis would equate you to being a rabbit or baboon. Not a man. A man isn't afraid to show feelings. A man doesnt label other men degrading sexist names. A man doesnt need hollywood to tell him what a man REALLY IS.
WAKE UP.
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
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@impatientwithdesire Typo on first response I meant to say "I'm getting that from the video because the video is condemning masculine traits by only exhibiting examples from the media portraying men doing negative things"
Krogoth04 3 months ago
So I didn't watch past 2:03, does he say anything about why women surround themselves with these stereotypical men?
lnsertCleverName 4 months ago
@lnsertCleverName I watched the whole thing (and kept from losing my lunch, good for me!). in answer to your question, he says something like "while its not women's fault that men are violent (sure), they should HELP by choosing less violent mates". Shows you exactly the mindset in this video and the inevitable disgusting, misandrist conclusion it arrives at. I think watching the whole thing could be a good vaccine for you, provided you can stomach it, of course.
strontiumXnitrate 4 months ago
@strontiumXnitrate
No, he said women should help by not glamorizing the violent male stereotype. When women want "the bad boy", they are contributing to the culture of violent masculinity. When women change what they desire in a mate, heterosexual men will change their attitudes in order to appeal to that. Or a good number will, anyway.
monny287 4 months ago
@monny287 I stand corrected, just could not bring myself to watching this video again to hear what was said. so I qouted from memory. But 'culture of violent maculinity' ? what planet do you live on? you are just as delusional as that katz person. reality is different then the hysteria raised by feminist dogma.
strontiumXnitrate 4 months ago
@strontiumXnitrate
Obviously you didn't watch the documentary, or you'd know exactly what I meant by that statement. -.-
monny287 4 months ago
you ask people who are from gangs or are fatherless(various reason) und think their answers av tough und intimidating are valid? und it's different per kultur, we ARE ALL DIFFERENT in our Kulturs und such
LeonSkottKennedey 4 months ago
Sooo, if a male ceo is powerful and an alpha, then he's a violent and physical tyrant, but if a female ceo has the same traits, then shes a strong and independent go-getter, right?
Krogoth04 4 months ago 22
@Krogoth04 Yes, that's exactly right. What are you, somebody striving for true equality?
loqutor 4 months ago
@Krogoth04 You said it bro.
anto1191 4 months ago
@Krogoth04 no, she's actually assumed to be a lonely, unhappy, brash, aggressive bitch. soooo, you're wrong.
AudiGal09 3 months ago
@AudiGal09 My comment was a rhetorical question reflecting this documentary's bias and incorrect views based on genders, sooo thanks for pointing out the obvious.
Krogoth04 3 months ago
@Krogoth04 Why would a male ceo be considered violentand physical ....UNLESS HE IS VIOLENT AND PHYSICAL?????
What kind of argument is that? ARE YOU TEN???
Since when is violence and physical tyranny ok with ANY gender, race, class, age?
WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING THAT FROM IN THE VIDEO?
Gosh you guys are stupid. Cant believe grown men think the way yall do.Like grown five year olds with two working brain cells.
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
@impatientwithdesire He would be considered violent and physical just because he is a man. Violence and physical tyrany is not ok with any demographic at all, but that's not the problem. The problem is that all men are portrayed as a potential tyrant. I'm getting that from the video because the video is condemning masculine traits when exhibited by men and only show men doing negative things with their power.
Krogoth04 3 months ago
@Krogoth04
You are getting that from the video because you are being insecure.
You learned that real men arent questioned and therefore this shocksyou
Funny things you guys fail to realize.
Your negative and misinformed reactions reinforce EXACTLY what he is pointing out.
But you aren't willing to see that. You aren't willing to see that you LEARNED 99% of what you do as a "man." You actually think its all natural.You dont realize the intersections of societal norms, religion and media
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
@impatientwithdesire
I'm getting it from the video because I'm using a basic skill we learn in the 1st grade known as reading between the lines.
What are real men not questioned about?
My negative reaction is the same reaction I would give to a video that portrayed all black people as ghetto thugs or all lower class people as trailer trash.
Why do you think our society teaches us gender roles in the first place, what came first, the chicken or the egg?
Krogoth04 3 months ago
If you are not able to see that its obvious that men and boys(and women and girls) learn a majorityof what they do and think then of course you wont see this video as a helping hand.
Jackson Kat is a real man cause he genuinely thinks for himself
YOU DEFINE A "REAL MAN" through societal vocabulary and mores-but thats contradictory! You are just reiterating everything you learned at some point in time-THAT ISNT REAL FOR ANY GENDER!
Thinking for yourself and sexism/racism are antonyms
WAKE UP!
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
@impatientwithdesire I couldn't care less if a man is effeminate or masculine, you're accusing me of hating Mr Kat for not conforming to the masculine male role? You're wrong. On the contrary, I dislike him because he is condemming masculine males.
Krogoth04 3 months ago
@Krogoth04 Cite where he is condemning masculine males
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
@impatientwithdesire
@0:51 he's implying all masculine males are just trying to conform to gender roles.
@1:23 he only shows clips that show masculine men in a negative light
@2:01 implying that masculinity always=violence
@2:30 using statistics to claim men=violence
@3:33 honest about what's going on in boys/mens lives? Does he mean that the majority of males are violent criminals?
@3:45 transform men's lives into what exactly?
@4:23 so all "tough guys" are violent?
etc.
Krogoth04 3 months ago
@Krogoth04 #1
"fitting into a narrow box that defines manhood" ummm....how exactly is that attacking masculine men?
#2
He is defending his argument with images so the masses would understand more. Did you want him to show ponies? How would that make sense?
#3
He is SAYING that manufactured masculinity portrayed in media represents violence. He never calls out Joe, Bob or Dick. He is recognizing media and society.
#4
Statistics are SUPPOSED to be used. Have you never been to college?
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
@impatientwithdesire
1. Implying that masculinity is nothing but mindless conformity to society.
2. Ponies aren't necessary but he could have shown a video of a firefighter saving someone or a police officer stopping a robbery...oh wait, this is a biased documentary, nvm.
3. same as 2
4. There's nothing wrong with statistics...unless they are used in a biased way
(example, 90+ percent of crimes are done by men? Well, what percentage of the male population actually commit crimes?)
Krogoth04 3 months ago
#5 Umm..what are you asking? HE EXPLAINS HIS VERY POINT RIGHT THERE! He isnt blaming men per se- he is recognizing social medias and mores that men have accepted.
#6
Transform it into maybe something that doesnt soley marginalize you into pussy-sports-aggressive babbling idiots.
#7
You are mincing words. Very petty
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
@impatientwithdesire
5. this would make sense excpet for the fact that he omits positive portrayal of men in media.
6. So then what? Not all men are like that, what about them?
7. How am I mincing words? He specifically points out the men who have taken on the tough guise.
Krogoth04 3 months ago
@Krogoth04 positive portrayalof men in the media such as what? And why exactly does he need to show that within this piece?
2- If all men are not like that and you know that- why does he need to say it? Are you a child? You need reassurance within data???
3- You are mincing words because you are creating a negative correlation that wasnt even there. He never said tough=violent and he never said all. He never once said any of those were absolute laws or parallel to each other.
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
He is speaking in intersectionalities.
Saying basically that a+b=c + d.
Guys who watch too much tv+ told lies by society = acting "tough" all the time even when it is unnecessary PLUS acting violent because of a, b, and c.
They all work together.
The woman at 4:40 - listen to her for a simpler example of what he is saying.
ITS ALL FAKE. but damaging...obviously
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
@Krogoth04
All men are not being portrayed as anything here
Stop being so damned insecure
Weird...why is it ok for you guys to be so insecure when it comes to talking about masculinity-but thats not seen as gay?
Yet if a guy stands up for himself, women,gays etc he is seen as weak, gay fag?
That makes no sense.
The former is more weak cause he is severely limited and acts childish
The latter has his head on straight and is not afraid to use it. THATS what makes a real man.
impatientwithdesire 3 months ago
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@impatientwithdesire
"Gosh you guys are stupid. Cant believe grown men think the way yall do.Like grown five year olds with two working brain cells."
Wow that's totally not sexist at all, but if i were to say:
"Gosh you women are stupid. Cant believe grown women think the way yall do.Like grown five year olds with two working brain cells."
That would be sexist, right?
Oh, and you don't have to write in caps like that, it just makes you look like an asshole.
Krogoth04 3 months ago
@Krogoth04 You've missed the point entirely. The film is saying that men are not allowed by societal norms to be anything but "powerful" and an "alpha". And for the record, Women are not considered "strong and independent" as a CEO. They are usually called "Bitches".
vivlingdarling 3 months ago
@vivlingdarling Oh, thanks for clarifying the point of this video for me without the use of caps yelling, flaming, or bashing males, I really appreciate it. As for the ceo analogy, I wasn't talking about reality, but the warped double standard many radical feminists have.
Krogoth04 3 months ago
The "narrow box that defines manhood" is defined by women.
j1mmyZeta 4 months ago 11
@j1mmyZeta No... it is not!
tueretreasures 3 months ago
@j1mmyZeta Ehm, no, patriarchal power structures do.
musepigg 3 months ago
He should have become a priest
blonchur 4 months ago
Our issues here have more to do with our perceptions of masculinity than male or female. Being a man has little to do with physical prowess and superiority. That just makes you a boy that shaves. Men are inwardly strong but able to demonstrate true strength in humility, meekness (strength under control), patience. THOSE are traits which exhibit real strength and it's rarely seen in 'tough-guys' because those guys aren't men. They're boys that shave.
lucaso777 4 months ago
THE ONLY REASON MEN USE VIOLENCE ARE BECAUSE FEMALES GET TURNED ON BY IT.
Women have the sexual power of being the selector,
Men have to fight amongs themselves so the women can see who they wanna f*uck.
It has always been like that. Bulls have horns, cows not.
The reason that males are often bigger than females of the same speices becaus the weaker were not allowed to breed.
The stongest are the most attractive.
The reason violent criminals, murderers, thugs have groupies.
READ DARWIN
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vividDC 5 months ago
HEY WATS UP GUISE WAT SGOOING ON
l01Ol01OlOl0l0lO1 5 months ago
That guy has a huge clit
AceHound46 5 months ago
well i for one am fine with men doing all the raping ;D
blendder35 5 months ago
I dont agree with everything but it does make some good points.
ShimmeringTruth1138 6 months ago
If everyone only fought wen they had to there would be no violence
einstinebrain 6 months ago
A lot of misleading statistics in this video.
MotherNatureisBiased 6 months ago
@MotherNatureisBiased What's misleading about it?
z1bu 5 months ago