Oh! The Iraq war with the Labour government and Tony Blair (A Scot) and funded by Gordon Brown (A Scot), the one that the English didn’t want but were forced into by Scots.
Over simplistic? Maybe but isn’t that the same as the separatists arguments, not fully thought through.
Nationalism how its twisted your little minds. i see Hitler's the Scottish role model now, how quaint you deserve each other. get a grip Unity is the way forward what wrong with being British anyway
England has as much right to what is in the Scottish territory of the North Sea as Scotland has to Englands reserves of gas off the Norfolk coast, zero.
Army, Navy, Airforce is paid for by Scottish taxpayers, England doesn't have sole rights to these things, they will be shared.
England has no rights to Scottish properties etc, as does Scotland have no rights to England's or wales's.
Foreign assets like Embassies are not solely Englands, they are Britains, Scotland will have access too.
A lot of Unionists don't seem to be able to come to terms with the fact that something that is British doesn't mean it belongs to England. British is exactly that.
When Scotland becomes independent, the British resources are split according to who's territories they are in, it's not rocket science.
Anything that is British owned and paid and funded by the British taxpayer belongs to all 4 countries and would be divided amicably.
@chancergordy any split of non natural be representative of population as would be the split of UK debts. Would Scotland be part of NATO? Would it be eligible for EU membership? Would it employ those Scots serving in UK armed forces? The bank of England keeps the UK currency what will Scotland have? Will the Euro Zone reject Scotland? Will you be allowed membership in the UN? Will Shetland/Orkney wish self determination and ask protection of UK or Norway and take their oil rights with them?.
England owns none of the equipment, Scotland owns none of the equipment.
BP, Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon, etc own the equipment.
Whichever country's teritorial waters the equipment is situated in, those companies pay a licence fee to that country, which is UK just now. THe oil companies extract the oil, the country puts duty and tax on the product each company sells.
So if BP sell 1000 litres of unleaded, the Scottish government collects whatever duty and taxes that were imposed on that product.
Most Scots do not realise that it was a Scottish Queen (Anne) that signed The Act of Union (1707) and ultimately gave away their independence. She disliked Scotland and spent most of her life living in France. Its easier for uneducated dregs to blame England for everything.
I live in the South of England and I have yet to speak to a single person in this part of the world who is not enthusiastic about Scottish independence. The only worry we appear to have is that the Scottish will get cold feet and vote "No". I am sure that a lot of Tories are secretly hoping that the Scots vote for indepenence, as it means that England will move politically to the right and the Labour Party will never be elected again.
Scottish independence would be brilliant for England. The Scottish kept the Labour Party in power and the Labour Party have quite explicitly stated that they wanted to destoy England and reduce the working English people to peasants through multiculturalism, Islam, and flooding with people from the Third World. With Scotland no longer able to influence who governs England the Labour Party will be destroyed, and something can be done about multiculturalism.
Well if you english hate the Scots so much YOU become independant. You won't though and why not? It's very simple...Because you need the Scots to take care of you. That is why england is doing EVERYTHING in it's power to try to prevent it....Taking away the pound (which isn't even yours), bullying tactics, name-calling, trying to make the independence date sooner than 2014. It's pretty obvious that the english 'need' the Scots! We are a far richer country than you lol!
There is a big problem with full independence & that is.... would Scotland have its own currency? in fact it would probably have to! The SNP want full fiscal, budgetary & tax-and-spend control, and there's no way any of that could work if they kept Sterling, as the current Eurozone crisis shows us. A Scotland using Sterling would be unable to set their own interest rates tax rates or spending policy! However a new tiny currency would get buffeted about on the financial markets.
This one time I went to Scotland. It rained non-stop and was freezing cold. Everyone is overweight and has false teeth. All the men are transvestites and the women look like men. I was attacked by a swarm of midges and thrown out of a pub for saying that the Loch Ness monster didn't exist. Everyone is constantly drunk and there is a very high level of MS due to the horrible weather. I couldn't sleep at night due to the constant bagpipe noise. I am never going back.
blair, brown, darling, moore and all of the rest of them call themselves scots! we are scots! scots in a proud union of countries, wales, scotland, northern ireland and england! we are stronger together than we are apart. us scots have had 4 of the last 10 prime minsters! we are stronger in the UK than outside! unity is strength! strength is unity. long live scotland, long live her majesty and long live the union of these small islands in a cruel unforgiving world!
Why is the English government so desperate to hold on to Scotland?
The simple answer is that Scotland provides the wealth that feeds the UK. Without Scotland, England would suffer the loss of the oil that is plundered from Scotland's waters.
All of the scare-mongering lies about Scotland being subsidised is a propaganda campaign to fool the Scots into believing that they can't go it alone. Its all bullshit. Real Scots will not fear independence. Only losers want to be ruled by another nation.
@RFCWEARETHEPE0PLE Scottish Oil funded 14.1% of tax revenues to the exchequer last year- therefore the other 85.9% of tax revenues were not 'plundered from Scottish waters'. Its not bullshit about subsidies- London and the South east is where the highest per capita earnings of the whole of the UK are located. Therefore it would naturally subsidise those areas of less wealth. Scotland like many other places, including most of England, has a high % of Government expenditure-so it is subsidised.
You've just proven that Scotland by far subsidises the rest of the UK.
If oil from the North Sea contributes 14.1% of UK taxes, and Scotlands Territorial waters hold 90% of the UK oil resources, then 90% of 14.1 = 12.6% of UK taxes from Scottish oil fields. Agreed, yes?
Since Scotland is only 9% of the UK population, you have a stuation that 9% Scotland supplies 12.6% of the taxes raised. [and that's only oil taxes]
@chancergordy Just because Scotland contributes X amount to the HMRC which happens to me more than their % population (in Oil) doesnt take into account the HMRC expenditiure on Scotland. S-5m GNP per capita 19 744, E-51m GNP per capita 20 442. Scotlands population on average are less well off meaning Scotland will recieve higher G expenditure to their % of population.
Per p Scotland £8632 Eng £7121. An Average Scot contributes less to the HMRC yet recieves more in HMRC expentiture= Subsidy.
@dceht. When HQs of some UK companies see that not every decision on this island is done from London, some will 'upsticks' and move to where other decisions are made,[Edinburgh]
LONDON'S economy IS partly SUBSIDISED BY EVERYONE ELSE because head offices don't usually produce, they are paid via the workers further down the ladder who make profit for the HQ, who only make the big decisions.
Example,I bet you that the staff at BP in London make more wages than the punter at any refinery does?
@dceht some good points, but, point 1 is attributed to point 2, that is, London is the capital, so as such, attracts financial institutions, a bit of distribution would benefit the plebs.
point 3, maybe so, they have been downplaying Northsea oil for years, it had 30 years left when they discovered it 40 years ago!
point 4, If I offered you a job in Glasgow or London, but offered you a £10,000 subsidy to work in London, where would you choose?
Point 5, Remember what we said about where HQs locate, where would you base your airports if you were in charge of B.A, the skies around London are overcrowded yet they want everyone to leave from there, Why? Should be Central England.
point 6, see point 2 and answer to point 4.
7, Westminster not to be trusted, they say Scotland won't be in the EU, then they say they can't use the British pound [it's not Englands pound, remember] Brussels isn't vindictive, London is! I'd go for the Euro.
@chancergordy Please keep fighting the good fight. Your comments are invaluable to the cause. They are running scared look at them shake. ;-) A fellow scotsman.
@kamakaziRider88 Jesus nationalists are fucking stupid. Too far lost are they in their own pride & their blood lust for independence that they don't release they're going to lose more of their independence to the EU.
The countries that make up the UK all support each other in many different ways, if one leaves we ALL lose out. Nationalists will be the end of Scotland and it's a damn shame, it's a beautiful country and i'm proud to be associated with it. But it's going to be ruined by idiots.
@dceht yep! you'd call it the BARNETT FORMULA. better get some of those higher paid jobs relocated or it will never change, it is after all only a £1,500 per annum wage rise.
I know our London based guys get £2,000 extra if they stay inside the M25.
They call it LONDON WEIGHTING ALLOWANCE, but it's A LONDON SUBSIDY!
@chancergordy You forget Scotland only paid 10% of the bill when setting up the North Sea oil fields. England owns all the equipment virtually. It's not a dig, it's just the facts.
@chancergordy oil runs out and with greedy gets like you it will be sooner rather than later if you leave UK it will be at our governments choosing not yours you stupid nationalist you all need to get on with your lives and grow up.
@dceht An independent Scotland wouldn't need to be subsidised by anyone. Our own resources would deliver more to Scotland than anything it currently receives. That is the point I was making.
FREEDOM!!!! To England!!! Hope the Scots vote for independence! Next independence for isle of Wight,London,Northeast,West,West Mids,Cornwall etc etc everyone should be independent!
@LordGodofMercy Shetlands will as part off Scotland.They have voted SNP again,for MSP Jean Urqhart.The Independence movement in the Shetlands,is amongsts ex English oil workers.Who are clearly unionists with a Pro British agenda.Who are trying to rabble rouse up there.Clearly on the orders from there masters in Whitehall.If you read the Vikings saga,s.They say when they took the islands off Scotland bye force.With that logic give Berwick and the lake district back to Scotland then,but you wont.
@LordGodofMercy Shetland has always been part off Scotland.Un till the Vikings attcked them.They REAL islanders up there,dont want to be part off Britain.This is why they voted for the SNP.Just like most parts off Scotland.And yet unionist scum like Nick Clegg.Still calls the voters like me,a extremist.And now Cameron is trying to make the referendum happen sooner.When it goes against everything that is democratic and just.His actions will gain the SNP more voters,he is not very clever the twit.
@legandrydirk Shetland's Oil Shetland's Waves Shetland's Wind. Jean Urquhart is
from the mainland. The real islanders are realising what independence can mean.
Invest Oil revenue into developing the sustainable energy industry. Instead of being sent down to the Holyrood. What's your problem?. Scotland can have independence. Why not Shetland?
I have a relation who lives in Cumbria that tells me the Scots are always whinning and always want somthing for nothing. He also believes that the average English person just dont care, but thinks England would be better of without a load of freeloading chancers.After reading your
Mr Splashcakes has a serious problem Any pubs around where he stays that are visited by squaddies he should just go in and express his views about the Union Jack. Just somehow dont think he has the guts?
rebuild what? With what? you haven't got any money, the U.K is bankrupt. every month Britain is going further and further into the red, we are not paying any of our international debt back. it will get worse for you. Waken up man. work it out!
Scotland will rebuild, after the f*****g mess this union has left us in, we can't do any worse than that bunch of greedy twats do from London.
@chancergordy aahaa and fat Alex Salmond is our saviour lol fat prick can't even install a simple tram system on Edinburgh, He's all talk if you think Britain is sinking then Scotland separately will sink like an anchor.
@ugizzat that's how it start you vote them in. then they get rid of democracy and you'll live in a nazi regime for the rest of your lives. you make me sick. Scotland needs to get a grip (not everyone of course)... especially the nationalists
@chancergordy get a life you stupid racist. if you like scotland so much stay there. the conservative aren't the best put we're stuck with them. oh don't say pounds you'll be stuck with euro soon enough
This, from the country that foisted that head-banging, eat his own shit, bark at the moon, scratch himself until he’s bleeding, drugs don’t touch him, lock him up for his own protection, son of a bullying religious madman, Gordon Brown.
Lot of anti-English sentiment here. What really holds Scotland back is not so much the English, who have their faults, but its long history of heroin addiction, gloominess, lousy diet, inferiority complex and sectarian bigotry.
@happyuk06 Yes, you are partly correct. English people are not to blame, in fact English people are great to get on with when on holiday etc, BUT English aristocracy and government isn't good for Scotland. they're arrogant prats.
Some people in Scotland lack confidence because for years they have been constantly told they can't survive alone, can't run their country, won't survive without England, and that's from the so called Scottish newspapers and the SCOTTISH LABOUR PARTY. they are snakes!
@chancergordy Scotland cannot rule itself, I am English and I like Scotland and the people who live there but you do not have the capacity, means of production etc to be independant. Look at the size of your population, you would be weak!!! England and Wales could survive and rebuild without Scotland but Scotland could not rebuild without England and Wales... lest we forget... "RULE BRITANNIA!"
@gaddafikiller Actually we are all ruled by Westminster, a political system within which Scotland has a small minority representation. Upon issues that our peoples disagree, it is the will of English constituency MP's that prevails. What you say of SNP's goals is nonsense. An independent Scotland will likely become England's closest ally. Scots will still call themselves British if they wish, personal identities are complex constructs and won't change overnight in response to political reform.
How come England isn't part of the UK? Oh right England is the UK and keeps a thumb on it's three little celtic states. Devide family and friends? Really? I have family and friends in Canada, Ireland and Australia, being in different country from them hasn't 'devided' us. Infact you'll find all those countries have had a better relationship with England after they became independent (After their hissy fits). I'd rather have a friend than a gaurdian.
Although i believe if Scotland does want to be independent let them but im from England living in Scotland. But think about how many Scottish could lose there jobs. Im a forces citizen And where i live the Scottish really do depend on the R.A.F if Scotland does become independent thousands of people could lose there jobs and plus the raf bring in alot of trade what will happen to this place if it goes. They shouldn't just think of number one they have to think about the cons if it does happen:L
@SHABLABADINGDONG15 Scottish budget payments towards UK military spending: £2.7 billion, money spent in Scotland by UK military: £950 million, I think it's fair to say that even if Scotland substantially lowers it's military spending it still will have more military jobs than it does currently.
@SHABLABADINGDONG15, RAF belongs to Britain, not England, as a British taxpayer, all taxes raised in Scotland contribute to the British armed forces.
The RAF, Navy and Army belong to Scotland too, if Scotland gains independence then the Taxes which pay for defence go towards the upkeep of the same defence but as Scotland doesn't want nuclear powered submarines,[England does] then some balancing of other hardware needs to be allocated in favour of Scotland.
John Swinney has announced that if Scotland becomes independent the north sea oil will make Scotland the 6th richest country in the world and the rest of the UK will be the 16th richest! While Scotland's share of the debt will be around £77 Billion the rest of the UK's debt will be closer to £1 Trillion. Businesses will look at both countries debt and their assets ie the money the countries have to deal with the debt and Scotland will be embarrassingly richer and better off than the Rest of UK
Not necessarily. North Sea oil is becoming increasingly more expensive and difficult to extract. And it belongs to the companies that extract it. Oil does not necessarily equate to wealth. Witness the many countries that have vast resources but whose citizens yet remain poor.
Nigeria, Venezuela, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Angola, Iran, and (hopefully not much longer), Algeria and Libya.
Contrast with resource-poor countries like Switzerland, Israel and Singapore, which are powerful economies, and which empower their citizens by relying much more on their skills, brains and intellectual capital.
@happyuk06 your choice of countries you have chosen to compare Scotland with proves something!
Either you are saying that Scotand is a 3rd world country with a 'tinpot' dictatorship being overthrown, or that Scotland can't/ doesn't empower it's citizens and skills.
MMMMM!
Strange, I would have picked Norway, but that would not be what a unionist would pick, a unionist would pick countries that are completely different.ie, Central African and dictatorships.
NEWS JUST IN!!! If Scotland becomes Independent we will be the 6th richest country in the world while England will be 16th! If that isn't a good enough reason to vote yes to Independence... I don't know what is! Come on everyone! Lets leave WASTEMONSTER behind us and MOVE FORWARD to a HEALTHIER, WEALTHIER, HAPPIER, STRONGER SCOTLAND! xx
Now is your time to shine Scotland. Your brothers in the west are watching and hoping. Get rid of the union that has manipulated and divided you, and countless times attempted to turn Ireland and Scotland, the identical twins of the Isles, against eachother. As an Irishman I feel a natural affinity to the Scots, and it pains me to see that there are people in both of our countries who support union with a country that has been so terrible to us throughout the ages. Éireann agus Albain go bréa.
@IamDaReAlSeaN 'Time to shine' whats that just before they slowly, but steadily, sink into the abyss of the EU until they become as weak, poor and unable to spend any money like the Republic of Ireland. Scotland would not survive the split.
May the United Kingdom remain as one- I love the Welsh, Irish and Scots yet I'm English??!!!!??
All of our governments are guilty in one way or another, and tbh I'm not interested in politics, Scotland should have it's independence for social reasons, to be able to truly decide their own direction and the right to choose whether they store nukes in the Clyde, and be dragged into wars they don't need to be in.
I never understood why scots are so hateful. They seem to be like the germans but instead of guilt have two huge chips on their shoulder? where is this racist hatred of english people coming from? The English do not love you or hate you,so what is the problem? some battle in a field 500 years ago?
@menacinghat The "hateful scots" are a minority. Theydredge up historical events (actually more like 700 years ago) to embarass the English. I politely ask Scottish nationalists whether they would mention the war in the presence of Germans. Usually the answer is no. Therefore isn't it quite rude of them to mention far more distant events to the English? Or ironically perhaps they feel able to do this because we are all part of the same British family of nations and not foreigners at all!
english people really don't give a crap about some war hundreds of years ago. Germans feel guilty because of all the jews and horrible atrocities rather than wafare. Scotland sort of wiped the blood of its hands by shooting people for england across the globe
IMPORTANT! Check out the GERS report that has just been released on the newsnetscotland website! Scotland subsidises the rest of the UK! We are loaded! Read the other article on why Scotland is better off leaving bankrupt Britain! The FACTS are here finally! All the reasons on why we should become independent! If you want to know how to shut up a unionist, direct them to this website and you wont hear from them again. I can't see Westminster getting round this! Vote YES in the in the REFERENDUM
I would like to take this oppotunity to ask that anyone on here thinking about backing Scottish independance, to please think about it first- do not believe stupid propaganda like this video, believe that Great Britain really is great and not seperate nations. Please don't leave Scotland. :)
@MrXray2011 I agree. I am British, English and believe in a UNITED kingdom, not a divided one. The U.K. has been an unconquered, unified country longer than Germany, Italy or France. Scotland and its people have led or are leading all the main British politcal parties and I see nothing wrong with this, though there is a lot wrong with those parties. It is ironic that those preaching Scottish "independence" are actually Unionists-(European Unionists) who want Scotland ruled from Brussels.
@bossendenwoodconvict The EU is a crock of power sucking shite, it has taken countries that even Nazi Germany could not get to. Scotland should remain part of the UK whilst the UK gets out of the EU .
@MrXray2011 I agree. I am British, English and believe in a UNITED kingdom, not a divided one. The U.K. has been an unconquered, unified country longer than Germany, Italy or France. Scotland and its people have led or are leading all the main British politcal parties and I see nothing wrong with this, though there is a lot wrong with those parties. It is ironic that those preaching Scottish "independence" are actually Unionists-(European Unionists) who want Scotland ruled from Brussels.
Your hate for the English has made you blind to who the real enemies are. Scotland, Ireland, English and Wales wait a second the entire continent of Europe are all being taken over by Muslims immigrants mostly from south asia.
We are vast becoming a minority on our own homeland and nobody will put an end to it! these people that come here are not minorities at least not on a global scale.
100 years from now what will Scotland be like? another Islamic state along with the rest of the uk.
The British People are BASICALLY the same/WHAT UNITES US iS a THOUSAND TIMES STRONGER than what cld ever sek to divide us NORMAN, CELTIC, ANGLO SAXON. TEUTONIC. a great people.OUr forefathers built it . with their own work , their own industry. their own defiance, and without help from outside. the whole word looked in wonder at the achievements of thr British people, what a people. what a history .
why would we need england to survive ? the english are all greedy bastards who keep the interests of no one but themselves. Fuck the Union jack we want our country back !
i'm english not british! i'd love noting more than us english having a parliment with just english in it working for the good of the english people and not treating the scottish people better than we do ourselfs!!! the UK is dead in my opinion and anyway we are all the EU's bitch now thanks to blair and brown! brussels runs the show now! your just swapping one master for another
The scottish people have spoken and will continue to do so and support for the nationalist will keep rising and rising because of the failure from labour and libs and conservatives lies and pish poor politics! Alex Salmond has got westminster politics on the run and hopefully run that pish right out of scotland with an infactic YES! to independence in the future referendum! Keep going alex you are a great leader for scots and for the future of scotland! Saor alba!
No one in England is a an opressive Scot hating arsehole. The majority of us think that Scots are pretty cool guys, so please stop hating the English for no reason at all. Modern English people have nothing to do with our dickhead colonial ancestors and we are greatly ashamed of our pasts.
I support both Scottish and English independence (not to mention Welsh and Ulster), we all have our own unique cultures that need to be respected.
People in England are either in favour of Scottish independence or (more generally) don't care. If separist Scots are looking for an "enemy" they should closer to home!
I'm an Englishman, and Scotland should get its freedom. If the Scottish people want independence from the UK, then they should get independence. Any act otherwise is oppression to the Scottish people. The UK parliament is oppressing the people of the UK, especially Scotland. Better to rid the union and establish free and liberal societies. These are basic human rights and to deny them is to deny morality. The people of the UK shall be oppressed no longer!!
@Malusregnum Oh yeah, we Scots sure are oppressed. I can barely hear you over the crack of English whips as I scrabble in the cold hard earth of Scotland for a living!
Lul, but srsly I'm a Scot and you should know that we aren't oppressed in the slightest and the vast majority of us are pro-Union. Pay no heed to the vocal minority that would betray our country.
So glad not everyone thinks Scottish Independence is about hating England. It's the unfare UK parliament and being one of the few countries in the world that can't represent themselves on the world stage that gets our goat.
@chancergordy No idea what comment your referring to as I haven't been on here for a while. All I can say is under the SNP, they will lead Scotland into total chaos. Leaving one Union only to join the EU.
@Malusregnum Well your wrong they will give the people,a chance to vote for it.The legislastion bill went through about a months ago.And that is more than the UK Gov ever gave anybody,when they went into it.We can always hold off going into the EU.And go in the EFTA,like the Swiss and Norce and Litchstenstein people are in.Joining the EU is not set in stone.We have our options open to consider.Joining the EU would stop any English aggresion towards us though.And history can repeat its self.
@legandrydirk pfft, The only way Scotland wouldn't go into the EU is if there was extreme resentment against it which as far as I know there isn't atm. The SNP are Pro EU, deal with it.
@Malusregnum Where do you think I found out about the EFTA?The SNP are not all pro EU.And if they were as you say.They would just go straight into it.With out the will and the man date off the collective will off the people there electrite.Like the unionists went and did.And they are giving us a choise.If we want to be in or not.You deal with that one,you dont know about Scotland.I dont see a lot off support about the EU.When people learn that there is a alternative.And there is one out there.
@legandrydirk No, the SNP are pro EU, end of. They might dispute with acts such as the common fishery policy etc but they are pro EU and they will take Scotland into the EU unless as stated, serious opposition to it. How can the SNP jump Scotland into the EU now? Scotland's not an independent country at the moment. Your thoughts are all "Well if this happened" stop living in a dream. The reality is the SNP will take Scotland into the EU and there is no serious Euroscepticism in Scotland.
@Malusregnum The Scottish voters will have the choice to take us into the EU.The SNP cant act without there support.I know democrasy is a concept you Brits struggle with.Its how it works up here.Just read up on the WOOD McKENZIE report on north sea oil 2012.It makes intersting reading,just like the GERS report did.Who are you do tell me to stop living my dream?Perhaps my idea of a dream,is your nighmare?Tough cookies to you then.As clearly its you that has the REAL problem with a nation liberty.
when are the celts-Scotts going to fight for indepence from the English-zionists ?... at least the Catholic IRISH have balls they dont take shit from the Eglish !!!! the scotts have no balls only big mouth !!
anyone notice that big european union flag flying around all over the place? scotland and the Uk are done for unless you all stand up to the real threat to this country
I'm sorry what’s the video trying to prove? That if the subs stay in Scotland they'll blow up? That Cameron is the same as Blair? That if your against British Imperialism Scotland should leave? Even though its been over for decades?
This is a poor attempt at propaganda if I ever saw one.
@MrRascasseman Ok the, you can piss of and worry about the EU while we talk politics, and when you have finished fucking youself to sleep then you can join the UK confersation ok?
@cameranzo1 no. The EU is the problem here. Not the UK. Please think about it. People like you are more than happy to be in denial about the EU but when it comes to the UK it's different. Scotland will crumble if independent and part of the EU. Now if you put forward an argument about independence from the UK AND the EU then there's something to think about seriously but are we supposed to take you seriously when you adovcate a position separate from the UK but no the EU? That is DELUSION.
Oh and is a video that depicts Burns, Wallace and Bruce a good idea? Or does it merely depict the delusion amongst Nats as nothing but romaticism driven morons?
@MrRascasseman Good point mate. I really sad to see Ireland where it is today. Not just 'cause ordinary people will suffer and not the bankers or politicinas. The real, long term problem is the increased powers the EU will have over a supposedly sovereign state. Powers, once gained will never be let go. Ireland today, Iceland tomorrow, then Greece, then Portugal then .....................
scotiish poem.......................Freedom is Alive,After all these years! Within every scot freedom is laced with many fears! Scotland,s Nation and her people must stand! And vote for Independence,Her liberty,Her land! Stand up scots and be visible AGAIN! To honour her woman and children and her Proud Proud men!!..................Saor alba!
Blair's UK was the first country to join US and bomb Serbia to "free Kosovars" and to occupy the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohia, and, finally, recognise its "independence." You have been to your future - in others' past. Free Scotland will be as prosperous as Norway is!
I'm all for Scots independance. Have the Scots had a referendum yet? They need it. Tell you what why not let the English vote on it as well, we'll be more than happy to give you independance.
It does mean of course that all Scottish mp's must leave parliament etc.
a hink scotland and ireland should invade england to get freedom for OUR countries
instead of england stealin our culture they steal scotlands oil (wee cunts) and they steal irelands (infact a dont know wit they steal aff ireland) but they steal our oil get them tae fuck theivin wee ARSEHOLES.
I,ve thought about it,it,s a good idea and you can take all the pissheads and druggies that infest London back too.Good riddance to lot of you,why not make sean connery president?Be good for a laugh.
@xxTheGhilliedGhostxx Good idea you can both go skint together ! Oh by the way Scotland is not an island but perhaps with a few pick axes we could free the jocks,should be fun.
why are you showing pics of david cameron lol hes scottish anyway good luck with your independence PS everyone in england wishes you were indpendent so we wouldnt have to pay taxes so you've got good healthcare and education......
@canemlatina m8 why the fuck dae u hink hes scootish hes too posh tae be scottish plus we dont need ur pish stained money we can use our oil fur aww that ya prrrrick
I agree, Scotland should be independent from England. Then all Scottish MP's should leave the English Parliament and relocate to the Scottish Assembly. Afterwards all monies paid to Scotland from England should be stopped. Scotland will then be responsible for its own taxes etc. England will not have to sustain Scottish peoples tax breaks and perks any more. Absolutely brilliant, I can see a fairer Scotland and England for all.
isnt it sad how many people follow the movie Braveheart which btw isnt historically correct and want to divide the 300+ year Union of countrys that have got along fine. Its just a movie please grow up.
A recent survey show that only about 33% of Scots want independence. If from England and i really don't give a dam if your an independent country or not but you will never get it until the majority of the population wants it, and with the Global Ressession still felt in the UK, Its unlikely that support for Scottish independence is going to increase.
I wish you Scots would take all of your totally useless politicians OUT of our English parliament...why should a country of only 5 million have TWO parliaments. Have your independence...the sooner the better. It's the Scottish politicians that have almost destroyed our economy..Blair, Brown, Darling etc; and Cameron is waiting to do the same.
Miserable,cold dirty country..full of miserable people.
Scotland..the second least popular place to visit..after Siberia.
well said troika girl!!! If you look at what scotland has got out of the union it is quite staggering, but they sill bloody moan!!!!!! for a tiny nation they sure have a huge opinion of themselves!!!!
Why can't an englishmen comment on scottish affairs but are riddled with them down here??? Get rid of them I say!!!!
we have a huge opinion of ourselves because we are a small population with HUGE natural resources and have a MASSIVE right to moan in this unfair union that is south east biased!
suit yourselves its your choice not mine... hope your happy with what you choose
GmanKings 1 day ago
@GmanKings =)
GmanKings 1 day ago
It fair warms the cockles of my heart to see that the SNPs greatest
ally, David Cameron, WESTMINISTER TORY PRIME MINISTER is
getting embroiled in the Independence debate.He will be up against
the greatest Political orator and debater in either of the Paraliments
be it Holyrood or Westminister.The Scottish DETEST the TORIES
and for good reason and when Cameron starts to dictate, which he
will, then the proverbial will hit the fan.He is the SNPs best asset in
the Independence debate.
ugizzat 1 day ago
@ugizzat
Oh! The Iraq war with the Labour government and Tony Blair (A Scot) and funded by Gordon Brown (A Scot), the one that the English didn’t want but were forced into by Scots.
Over simplistic? Maybe but isn’t that the same as the separatists arguments, not fully thought through.
RonSuperJet 5 hours ago
@RonSuperJet
Dont write such twaddle. The Scots did not vote Labour into power
the English morons did that. MY party, the SNP, voted against the
war reflecting the opinion of most Scots.The warmongering UK was
dying to kick the crap out of a country it KNEW was militarily weaker
than it .This has been an English practice for years, beating up on the
little guy and, being very proud while doing it. Still, Its always good for
a "victory" parade and more wreaths on the Cenotaph.
ugizzat 5 hours ago
@ugizzat
English morons? How kind of you, glad to see you have an open mind. (NOT)
RonSuperJet 3 hours ago
@RonSuperJet
Oh!" I'm so sorry but; i always thought the waging of war to
be moronic,waging an illegal war to be even more moronic
but then, I'm not English. am I?
ugizzat 1 hour ago
Nationalism how its twisted your little minds. i see Hitler's the Scottish role model now, how quaint you deserve each other. get a grip Unity is the way forward what wrong with being British anyway
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etaylor2k11 3 days ago
England has as much right to what is in the Scottish territory of the North Sea as Scotland has to Englands reserves of gas off the Norfolk coast, zero.
Army, Navy, Airforce is paid for by Scottish taxpayers, England doesn't have sole rights to these things, they will be shared.
England has no rights to Scottish properties etc, as does Scotland have no rights to England's or wales's.
Foreign assets like Embassies are not solely Englands, they are Britains, Scotland will have access too.
chancergordy 1 week ago
A lot of Unionists don't seem to be able to come to terms with the fact that something that is British doesn't mean it belongs to England. British is exactly that.
When Scotland becomes independent, the British resources are split according to who's territories they are in, it's not rocket science.
Anything that is British owned and paid and funded by the British taxpayer belongs to all 4 countries and would be divided amicably.
Don't let the Unionists 'pull your chain'.
chancergordy 1 week ago
@chancergordy any split of non natural be representative of population as would be the split of UK debts. Would Scotland be part of NATO? Would it be eligible for EU membership? Would it employ those Scots serving in UK armed forces? The bank of England keeps the UK currency what will Scotland have? Will the Euro Zone reject Scotland? Will you be allowed membership in the UN? Will Shetland/Orkney wish self determination and ask protection of UK or Norway and take their oil rights with them?.
terrortorn 4 days ago
@terrortorn . you've been reading too many Unionist controlled newspapers quick simple answers.
1 Scotland liable for 8% of national debt.
2 Scotland is part of NATO, maybe re-negotiate.
3 Already in EU, neeed to re- negotiate.
4 yes, we need an army who pay their taxes into Edinburgh's exchequer, not London's.
5 GB pounds, Bank of England is a name of a bank, not Englands bank, free from political intervention. Then switch to euro.
6, no, eurozone won't reject, we have too much that they
chancergordy 4 days ago
@chancergordy want, they can't buy as easily if we are out of EU.
only country that seems hostile to Scotland is,,,,, yep. England/Westminster!
7 Scotland and England will have to re-negotiate terms for UN.
8 another scare tactic. Shetland and Orkney are part of Scotland,
chancergordy 4 days ago
England owns none of the equipment, Scotland owns none of the equipment.
BP, Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon, etc own the equipment.
Whichever country's teritorial waters the equipment is situated in, those companies pay a licence fee to that country, which is UK just now. THe oil companies extract the oil, the country puts duty and tax on the product each company sells.
So if BP sell 1000 litres of unleaded, the Scottish government collects whatever duty and taxes that were imposed on that product.
chancergordy 1 week ago 2
While I am all for Independence I want no truck with the EU the
fishing policies of which cost Scotland 110000 jobs in our own
fishing industry.The EU crushes Democratic freedom and choice
and i have no taste for getting out of the undemocratic UK only to
end up under the heel of some EU psuedo Fourth Reich We dont
need the UK or the EU. Independence means just that we should
always be alert to the threat to ourfledgling Democracy posed by
self interested others, be it the UK or EU.
ugizzat 1 week ago
@ugizzat. that problem fairly and squarely the UK government's for not bothering their selfish lard arses for that.
Since WE joined the EU, Westminster has used Britains fishing industry as a bargaining chip to get better farming and agricultural concessions.
Though this may be good for England with their larger farming interests weighed against fishing, it's the opposite for Scotland.
IF YOU LET SOMEONE ELSE MAKE YOUR DECISIONS FOR YOU, THEY WILL MAKE WHAT DECISION IS BEST FOR THEM!.
chancergordy 1 week ago
@chancergordy
Actually WE, the public never voted to join any EU The Referendum of
1973 was to choose whether or not we wanted to remain within the
EEC. I naturally voted against it. (I learned years ago never to support
anything recommended by any UK govornment).The EU was insidiously
and undemocratically imposed on us without our being consulted. What
The English Westminister Govornment did with English fishing grounds
is not important, what it did with our fishing grounds is.
ugizzat 1 week ago
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Most Scots do not realise that it was a Scottish Queen (Anne) that signed The Act of Union (1707) and ultimately gave away their independence. She disliked Scotland and spent most of her life living in France. Its easier for uneducated dregs to blame England for everything.
StasisClungeFlux 1 week ago
LONDON IS A GIANT BLACK HOLE THAT SUCKS IN EVERYONE'S MONEY AND THEN SPITS OUT TIT BITS FOR THE PLEBS.
chancergordy 1 week ago
I live in the South of England and I have yet to speak to a single person in this part of the world who is not enthusiastic about Scottish independence. The only worry we appear to have is that the Scottish will get cold feet and vote "No". I am sure that a lot of Tories are secretly hoping that the Scots vote for indepenence, as it means that England will move politically to the right and the Labour Party will never be elected again.
dignifiedwhite 1 week ago
@dignifiedwhite, It's a pity that Westminster doesn't see things the same way as you do!
Do you think they know something that you don't?
chancergordy 1 week ago
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Scottish independence would be brilliant for England. The Scottish kept the Labour Party in power and the Labour Party have quite explicitly stated that they wanted to destoy England and reduce the working English people to peasants through multiculturalism, Islam, and flooding with people from the Third World. With Scotland no longer able to influence who governs England the Labour Party will be destroyed, and something can be done about multiculturalism.
dignifiedwhite 1 week ago
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Well if you english hate the Scots so much YOU become independant. You won't though and why not? It's very simple...Because you need the Scots to take care of you. That is why england is doing EVERYTHING in it's power to try to prevent it....Taking away the pound (which isn't even yours), bullying tactics, name-calling, trying to make the independence date sooner than 2014. It's pretty obvious that the english 'need' the Scots! We are a far richer country than you lol!
rancidbum 1 week ago
There is a big problem with full independence & that is.... would Scotland have its own currency? in fact it would probably have to! The SNP want full fiscal, budgetary & tax-and-spend control, and there's no way any of that could work if they kept Sterling, as the current Eurozone crisis shows us. A Scotland using Sterling would be unable to set their own interest rates tax rates or spending policy! However a new tiny currency would get buffeted about on the financial markets.
richard1973 1 week ago
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This one time I went to Scotland. It rained non-stop and was freezing cold. Everyone is overweight and has false teeth. All the men are transvestites and the women look like men. I was attacked by a swarm of midges and thrown out of a pub for saying that the Loch Ness monster didn't exist. Everyone is constantly drunk and there is a very high level of MS due to the horrible weather. I couldn't sleep at night due to the constant bagpipe noise. I am never going back.
karezza6 2 weeks ago
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blair, brown, darling, moore and all of the rest of them call themselves scots! we are scots! scots in a proud union of countries, wales, scotland, northern ireland and england! we are stronger together than we are apart. us scots have had 4 of the last 10 prime minsters! we are stronger in the UK than outside! unity is strength! strength is unity. long live scotland, long live her majesty and long live the union of these small islands in a cruel unforgiving world!
johnanthonyparsons 2 weeks ago
No pictures of Gordon Brown, Prime Minister in there?
blueray1969 2 weeks ago
Why is the English government so desperate to hold on to Scotland?
The simple answer is that Scotland provides the wealth that feeds the UK. Without Scotland, England would suffer the loss of the oil that is plundered from Scotland's waters.
All of the scare-mongering lies about Scotland being subsidised is a propaganda campaign to fool the Scots into believing that they can't go it alone. Its all bullshit. Real Scots will not fear independence. Only losers want to be ruled by another nation.
RFCWEARETHEPE0PLE 2 weeks ago
@RFCWEARETHEPE0PLE Scottish Oil funded 14.1% of tax revenues to the exchequer last year- therefore the other 85.9% of tax revenues were not 'plundered from Scottish waters'. Its not bullshit about subsidies- London and the South east is where the highest per capita earnings of the whole of the UK are located. Therefore it would naturally subsidise those areas of less wealth. Scotland like many other places, including most of England, has a high % of Government expenditure-so it is subsidised.
dceht 1 week ago
@dceht, WELL DONE!.
You've just proven that Scotland by far subsidises the rest of the UK.
If oil from the North Sea contributes 14.1% of UK taxes, and Scotlands Territorial waters hold 90% of the UK oil resources, then 90% of 14.1 = 12.6% of UK taxes from Scottish oil fields. Agreed, yes?
Since Scotland is only 9% of the UK population, you have a stuation that 9% Scotland supplies 12.6% of the taxes raised. [and that's only oil taxes]
Well done,remember to tell all the Unionist that!
chancergordy 1 week ago 4
@chancergordy Just because Scotland contributes X amount to the HMRC which happens to me more than their % population (in Oil) doesnt take into account the HMRC expenditiure on Scotland. S-5m GNP per capita 19 744, E-51m GNP per capita 20 442. Scotlands population on average are less well off meaning Scotland will recieve higher G expenditure to their % of population.
Per p Scotland £8632 Eng £7121. An Average Scot contributes less to the HMRC yet recieves more in HMRC expentiture= Subsidy.
dceht 1 week ago
@dceht. When HQs of some UK companies see that not every decision on this island is done from London, some will 'upsticks' and move to where other decisions are made,[Edinburgh]
LONDON'S economy IS partly SUBSIDISED BY EVERYONE ELSE because head offices don't usually produce, they are paid via the workers further down the ladder who make profit for the HQ, who only make the big decisions.
Example,I bet you that the staff at BP in London make more wages than the punter at any refinery does?
chancergordy 1 week ago
@chancergordy Lets hope so although I doubt it. BP will continue having its head office in London, like many other companies. Why?
1. Its workers are mainly Non-Scots.
2. Aberdeen or Edinburgh is not the Financial capital of Europe
3. Scottish Oil has, by a BP est, 30 years left.
4. London can attract the best workforce.
5. London has the worlds largest airport.
6. BP's shares are floated on the FTSE 100-in London
7. Scotland would have to join the Euro.
dceht 1 week ago
@dceht some good points, but, point 1 is attributed to point 2, that is, London is the capital, so as such, attracts financial institutions, a bit of distribution would benefit the plebs.
point 3, maybe so, they have been downplaying Northsea oil for years, it had 30 years left when they discovered it 40 years ago!
point 4, If I offered you a job in Glasgow or London, but offered you a £10,000 subsidy to work in London, where would you choose?
continued,,,,,,,
chancergordy 1 week ago
Point 5, Remember what we said about where HQs locate, where would you base your airports if you were in charge of B.A, the skies around London are overcrowded yet they want everyone to leave from there, Why? Should be Central England.
point 6, see point 2 and answer to point 4.
7, Westminster not to be trusted, they say Scotland won't be in the EU, then they say they can't use the British pound [it's not Englands pound, remember] Brussels isn't vindictive, London is! I'd go for the Euro.
chancergordy 1 week ago
@chancergordy Please keep fighting the good fight. Your comments are invaluable to the cause. They are running scared look at them shake. ;-) A fellow scotsman.
kamakaziRider88 1 week ago
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@kamakaziRider88 Jesus nationalists are fucking stupid. Too far lost are they in their own pride & their blood lust for independence that they don't release they're going to lose more of their independence to the EU.
The countries that make up the UK all support each other in many different ways, if one leaves we ALL lose out. Nationalists will be the end of Scotland and it's a damn shame, it's a beautiful country and i'm proud to be associated with it. But it's going to be ruined by idiots.
manhunt48 1 week ago
@dceht yep! you'd call it the BARNETT FORMULA. better get some of those higher paid jobs relocated or it will never change, it is after all only a £1,500 per annum wage rise.
I know our London based guys get £2,000 extra if they stay inside the M25.
They call it LONDON WEIGHTING ALLOWANCE, but it's A LONDON SUBSIDY!
chancergordy 1 week ago
@chancergordy You forget Scotland only paid 10% of the bill when setting up the North Sea oil fields. England owns all the equipment virtually. It's not a dig, it's just the facts.
MockBlue 1 week ago
@chancergordy oil runs out and with greedy gets like you it will be sooner rather than later if you leave UK it will be at our governments choosing not yours you stupid nationalist you all need to get on with your lives and grow up.
GmanKings 1 day ago
@dceht An independent Scotland wouldn't need to be subsidised by anyone. Our own resources would deliver more to Scotland than anything it currently receives. That is the point I was making.
RFCWEARETHEPE0PLE 1 week ago
@dceht yep! And that's another reason why, when Scotland becomes independent, they will be better off.
As you rightly said, the highest earnings are in the South East, London in particular.
Most large companies require an HQ in every country, or embassy, usually in London..
When Scotland becomes independent, Some big companies WILL move their HQs or open offices in Scotland.
Head offices always pay higher wages.
NO IFs OR BUTS, IT WILL HAPPEN!
BP HQ will relocate to Aberdeen for example.
chancergordy 1 week ago
oh shit, I wanna become Independant right this instant cos the Prime minister made a funny face. One word: weak
ItsTheEddemundos 2 weeks ago
@ItsTheEddemundos , don't be silly!
One word, fortnight!
chancergordy 2 weeks ago
FREEDOM!!!! To England!!! Hope the Scots vote for independence! Next independence for isle of Wight,London,Northeast,West,West Mids,Cornwall etc etc everyone should be independent!
SonofDurgesuth 2 weeks ago
@SonofDurgesuth Break up the Commonwealth while we're at it. Australia, Canada and New Zealand to become republics and drop the Royals
MrDaveLogan 1 week ago
Give Shetland her Oil and her Independence!
LordGodofMercy 2 weeks ago
@LordGodofMercy Shetlands will as part off Scotland.They have voted SNP again,for MSP Jean Urqhart.The Independence movement in the Shetlands,is amongsts ex English oil workers.Who are clearly unionists with a Pro British agenda.Who are trying to rabble rouse up there.Clearly on the orders from there masters in Whitehall.If you read the Vikings saga,s.They say when they took the islands off Scotland bye force.With that logic give Berwick and the lake district back to Scotland then,but you wont.
legandrydirk 2 weeks ago
@legandrydirk Shetland's standard of living would be far higher . No England, No Scotland!
LordGodofMercy 2 weeks ago
@LordGodofMercy Shetland has always been part off Scotland.Un till the Vikings attcked them.They REAL islanders up there,dont want to be part off Britain.This is why they voted for the SNP.Just like most parts off Scotland.And yet unionist scum like Nick Clegg.Still calls the voters like me,a extremist.And now Cameron is trying to make the referendum happen sooner.When it goes against everything that is democratic and just.His actions will gain the SNP more voters,he is not very clever the twit.
legandrydirk 2 weeks ago
@legandrydirk Shetland's Oil Shetland's Waves Shetland's Wind. Jean Urquhart is
from the mainland. The real islanders are realising what independence can mean.
Invest Oil revenue into developing the sustainable energy industry. Instead of being sent down to the Holyrood. What's your problem?. Scotland can have independence. Why not Shetland?
LordGodofMercy 2 weeks ago
I have a relation who lives in Cumbria that tells me the Scots are always whinning and always want somthing for nothing. He also believes that the average English person just dont care, but thinks England would be better of without a load of freeloading chancers.After reading your
comments i think he could be right.
ballochdubh 2 weeks ago
Mr Splashcakes has a serious problem Any pubs around where he stays that are visited by squaddies he should just go in and express his views about the Union Jack. Just somehow dont think he has the guts?
ballochdubh 2 weeks ago
alba gu brath
shaun123902 4 weeks ago
rebuild what? With what? you haven't got any money, the U.K is bankrupt. every month Britain is going further and further into the red, we are not paying any of our international debt back. it will get worse for you. Waken up man. work it out!
Scotland will rebuild, after the f*****g mess this union has left us in, we can't do any worse than that bunch of greedy twats do from London.
chancergordy 4 weeks ago
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It is Orkney and Shetland that should seek a status similar to the Isle of Man. After all it is Shetland’s oil. Scottish Oil THIEVES!!!!
wank0r 1 month ago
Seeing as it's open season for vague unfounded comments from the unionists, lets all try it.
David Cameron is a brown nosed prick who is leading this country to oblivion, he has cost us trillions of pounds, he is a wanker.
Ed Milliband is a foreigner and a Forrest Gump lookalike. A labour arse.
Britain has sank into an abyss of dog pooh, only Scotland can raise this shitanic.
We need to tell these English they are costing us £54,000 pounds and anyone who disagrees with this can fuck off!
chancergordy 1 month ago 8
@chancergordy HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!! THAT IF FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!
jayc342009 2 weeks ago
@chancergordy aahaa and fat Alex Salmond is our saviour lol fat prick can't even install a simple tram system on Edinburgh, He's all talk if you think Britain is sinking then Scotland separately will sink like an anchor.
20cFilmWannabe 1 week ago
@20cFilmWannabe Your english stop pretending to be one of us. We will vote yes and you will be screwed. ;-)
kamakaziRider88 1 week ago
@20cFilmWannabe
If you cast your mind, such as it is, back to the original idea and
inception of the Edinburgh tram system, you'll discover the SNP
were against it.Still lets not have any facts intefer with your tirade
Never let the truth get in the way of your ignorance.As for an your Independent Scotland sinking like an anchor, it is not we who
are crapping ourselves at the prospect of separation, now is it?
ugizzat 1 week ago
@ugizzat em... im Scottish so remove that "we" from your last statement.
20cFilmWannabe 1 week ago
@20cFilmWannabe
Now why would i remove anything from my last statement,
least of all "WE" the public? Would you rather i had written "I" the public? Also what has you being Scottish have to do
with the content of my last statement?
ugizzat 1 week ago
@ugizzat it sounded like you were speaking on behalf of all Scot's which is generally what nationalists do.
20cFilmWannabe 1 week ago
@20cFilmWannabe It may have read as if i was writing on behalf of all Scots
but i was in fact expressing my opinion as a Scot and as
an SNP voter When it comes to the future of my country I
make no apologies for my comments .If you found part or
all of my comment upsetting i can only assume it was what
you were, in essence, seeking to find and, you found it.
I only ever speak or write for myself, how others wish to react
to what i write is entirely up to them.
ugizzat 1 week ago
@ugizzat good :)
20cFilmWannabe 1 week ago
@ugizzat that's how it start you vote them in. then they get rid of democracy and you'll live in a nazi regime for the rest of your lives. you make me sick. Scotland needs to get a grip (not everyone of course)... especially the nationalists
"i make no apologies for my comment"
GmanKings 1 day ago
@GmanKings
Yeah? Well then tell me the difference bwtween the Nazis bombing and
invading Poland on the pretext that Poland posed a threat to Germanys
safety and security and what the UK did to Iraq on much the same pretext.
Remember Poland and Germany shared a common border.Where is that
common border between the UK and Iraq? Most Scots were against the
Iraqi war but their views were ignored .Who Dictated to whome on that
occassion? Choke on your vomit, I'll opt for Independence!
ugizzat 1 day ago
@chancergordy get a life you stupid racist. if you like scotland so much stay there. the conservative aren't the best put we're stuck with them. oh don't say pounds you'll be stuck with euro soon enough
GmanKings 1 day ago
This, from the country that foisted that head-banging, eat his own shit, bark at the moon, scratch himself until he’s bleeding, drugs don’t touch him, lock him up for his own protection, son of a bullying religious madman, Gordon Brown.
happyuk06 1 month ago
S_c_o_t_t_i_s_h out of B_r_i_t_i_s_h!
desquitao 1 month ago
tony blair is scottish and it was a scottish man who made britain
MrMehh123 2 months ago
Lot of anti-English sentiment here. What really holds Scotland back is not so much the English, who have their faults, but its long history of heroin addiction, gloominess, lousy diet, inferiority complex and sectarian bigotry.
happyuk06 2 months ago
@happyuk06 Yes, you are partly correct. English people are not to blame, in fact English people are great to get on with when on holiday etc, BUT English aristocracy and government isn't good for Scotland. they're arrogant prats.
Some people in Scotland lack confidence because for years they have been constantly told they can't survive alone, can't run their country, won't survive without England, and that's from the so called Scottish newspapers and the SCOTTISH LABOUR PARTY. they are snakes!
chancergordy 1 month ago
@chancergordy Scotland cannot rule itself, I am English and I like Scotland and the people who live there but you do not have the capacity, means of production etc to be independant. Look at the size of your population, you would be weak!!! England and Wales could survive and rebuild without Scotland but Scotland could not rebuild without England and Wales... lest we forget... "RULE BRITANNIA!"
MrXray2011 4 weeks ago
/watch?v=XjUxJ4HW_s4 think about it
SHABLABADINGDONG15 2 months ago
its funny cos the SNP is one of the most pro-EU partys in Britain...and they call for independence? WHAT A JOKE
hurro67 2 months ago
@gaddafikiller Actually we are all ruled by Westminster, a political system within which Scotland has a small minority representation. Upon issues that our peoples disagree, it is the will of English constituency MP's that prevails. What you say of SNP's goals is nonsense. An independent Scotland will likely become England's closest ally. Scots will still call themselves British if they wish, personal identities are complex constructs and won't change overnight in response to political reform.
markgr101 3 months ago
@gaddafikiller
How come England isn't part of the UK? Oh right England is the UK and keeps a thumb on it's three little celtic states. Devide family and friends? Really? I have family and friends in Canada, Ireland and Australia, being in different country from them hasn't 'devided' us. Infact you'll find all those countries have had a better relationship with England after they became independent (After their hissy fits). I'd rather have a friend than a gaurdian.
Cybopath 3 months ago
Although i believe if Scotland does want to be independent let them but im from England living in Scotland. But think about how many Scottish could lose there jobs. Im a forces citizen And where i live the Scottish really do depend on the R.A.F if Scotland does become independent thousands of people could lose there jobs and plus the raf bring in alot of trade what will happen to this place if it goes. They shouldn't just think of number one they have to think about the cons if it does happen:L
SHABLABADINGDONG15 3 months ago
@SHABLABADINGDONG15 Scottish budget payments towards UK military spending: £2.7 billion, money spent in Scotland by UK military: £950 million, I think it's fair to say that even if Scotland substantially lowers it's military spending it still will have more military jobs than it does currently.
in3x 2 months ago
@SHABLABADINGDONG15, RAF belongs to Britain, not England, as a British taxpayer, all taxes raised in Scotland contribute to the British armed forces.
The RAF, Navy and Army belong to Scotland too, if Scotland gains independence then the Taxes which pay for defence go towards the upkeep of the same defence but as Scotland doesn't want nuclear powered submarines,[England does] then some balancing of other hardware needs to be allocated in favour of Scotland.
This applies to everything British.
chancergordy 1 month ago
John Swinney has announced that if Scotland becomes independent the north sea oil will make Scotland the 6th richest country in the world and the rest of the UK will be the 16th richest! While Scotland's share of the debt will be around £77 Billion the rest of the UK's debt will be closer to £1 Trillion. Businesses will look at both countries debt and their assets ie the money the countries have to deal with the debt and Scotland will be embarrassingly richer and better off than the Rest of UK
DrStoned1 3 months ago
@DrStoned1
Not necessarily. North Sea oil is becoming increasingly more expensive and difficult to extract. And it belongs to the companies that extract it. Oil does not necessarily equate to wealth. Witness the many countries that have vast resources but whose citizens yet remain poor.
happyuk06 2 months ago
@happyuk06 name them?
chancergordy 1 month ago
@chancergordy
Nigeria, Venezuela, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Angola, Iran, and (hopefully not much longer), Algeria and Libya.
Contrast with resource-poor countries like Switzerland, Israel and Singapore, which are powerful economies, and which empower their citizens by relying much more on their skills, brains and intellectual capital.
happyuk06 1 month ago
@happyuk06 your choice of countries you have chosen to compare Scotland with proves something!
Either you are saying that Scotand is a 3rd world country with a 'tinpot' dictatorship being overthrown, or that Scotland can't/ doesn't empower it's citizens and skills.
MMMMM!
Strange, I would have picked Norway, but that would not be what a unionist would pick, a unionist would pick countries that are completely different.ie, Central African and dictatorships.
I know what is the most accurate!
chancergordy 1 month ago
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NEWS JUST IN!!! If Scotland becomes Independent we will be the 6th richest country in the world while England will be 16th! If that isn't a good enough reason to vote yes to Independence... I don't know what is! Come on everyone! Lets leave WASTEMONSTER behind us and MOVE FORWARD to a HEALTHIER, WEALTHIER, HAPPIER, STRONGER SCOTLAND! xx
mrkjames9 3 months ago
Now is your time to shine Scotland. Your brothers in the west are watching and hoping. Get rid of the union that has manipulated and divided you, and countless times attempted to turn Ireland and Scotland, the identical twins of the Isles, against eachother. As an Irishman I feel a natural affinity to the Scots, and it pains me to see that there are people in both of our countries who support union with a country that has been so terrible to us throughout the ages. Éireann agus Albain go bréa.
IamDaReAlSeaN 6 months ago
@IamDaReAlSeaN 'Time to shine' whats that just before they slowly, but steadily, sink into the abyss of the EU until they become as weak, poor and unable to spend any money like the Republic of Ireland. Scotland would not survive the split.
May the United Kingdom remain as one- I love the Welsh, Irish and Scots yet I'm English??!!!!??
MrXray2011 4 months ago
@MrXray2011
All of our governments are guilty in one way or another, and tbh I'm not interested in politics, Scotland should have it's independence for social reasons, to be able to truly decide their own direction and the right to choose whether they store nukes in the Clyde, and be dragged into wars they don't need to be in.
IamDaReAlSeaN 4 months ago
@MrXray2011 you got a special gift. You can foretell the future, put a lottery ticket on, you might need it!
chancergordy 1 month ago
I never understood why scots are so hateful. They seem to be like the germans but instead of guilt have two huge chips on their shoulder? where is this racist hatred of english people coming from? The English do not love you or hate you,so what is the problem? some battle in a field 500 years ago?
menacinghat 6 months ago
@menacinghat It's called an inferiority complex.
whitbyjet65 6 months ago
@menacinghat The "hateful scots" are a minority. Theydredge up historical events (actually more like 700 years ago) to embarass the English. I politely ask Scottish nationalists whether they would mention the war in the presence of Germans. Usually the answer is no. Therefore isn't it quite rude of them to mention far more distant events to the English? Or ironically perhaps they feel able to do this because we are all part of the same British family of nations and not foreigners at all!
bossendenwoodconvict 4 months ago
@bossendenwoodconvict
english people really don't give a crap about some war hundreds of years ago. Germans feel guilty because of all the jews and horrible atrocities rather than wafare. Scotland sort of wiped the blood of its hands by shooting people for england across the globe
menacinghat 4 months ago
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IMPORTANT! Check out the GERS report that has just been released on the newsnetscotland website! Scotland subsidises the rest of the UK! We are loaded! Read the other article on why Scotland is better off leaving bankrupt Britain! The FACTS are here finally! All the reasons on why we should become independent! If you want to know how to shut up a unionist, direct them to this website and you wont hear from them again. I can't see Westminster getting round this! Vote YES in the in the REFERENDUM
mrkjames9 7 months ago
I would like to take this oppotunity to ask that anyone on here thinking about backing Scottish independance, to please think about it first- do not believe stupid propaganda like this video, believe that Great Britain really is great and not seperate nations. Please don't leave Scotland. :)
MrXray2011 7 months ago
@MrXray2011 I agree. I am British, English and believe in a UNITED kingdom, not a divided one. The U.K. has been an unconquered, unified country longer than Germany, Italy or France. Scotland and its people have led or are leading all the main British politcal parties and I see nothing wrong with this, though there is a lot wrong with those parties. It is ironic that those preaching Scottish "independence" are actually Unionists-(European Unionists) who want Scotland ruled from Brussels.
bossendenwoodconvict 4 months ago
@bossendenwoodconvict The EU is a crock of power sucking shite, it has taken countries that even Nazi Germany could not get to. Scotland should remain part of the UK whilst the UK gets out of the EU .
MrXray2011 4 months ago
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@MrXray2011 I agree. I am British, English and believe in a UNITED kingdom, not a divided one. The U.K. has been an unconquered, unified country longer than Germany, Italy or France. Scotland and its people have led or are leading all the main British politcal parties and I see nothing wrong with this, though there is a lot wrong with those parties. It is ironic that those preaching Scottish "independence" are actually Unionists-(European Unionists) who want Scotland ruled from Brussels.
bossendenwoodconvict 4 months ago
Your hate for the English has made you blind to who the real enemies are. Scotland, Ireland, English and Wales wait a second the entire continent of Europe are all being taken over by Muslims immigrants mostly from south asia.
We are vast becoming a minority on our own homeland and nobody will put an end to it! these people that come here are not minorities at least not on a global scale.
100 years from now what will Scotland be like? another Islamic state along with the rest of the uk.
worstusernameeva 8 months ago
The British People are BASICALLY the same/WHAT UNITES US iS a THOUSAND TIMES STRONGER than what cld ever sek to divide us NORMAN, CELTIC, ANGLO SAXON. TEUTONIC. a great people.OUr forefathers built it . with their own work , their own industry. their own defiance, and without help from outside. the whole word looked in wonder at the achievements of thr British people, what a people. what a history .
NOVATICANWARS 8 months ago
why would we need england to survive ? the english are all greedy bastards who keep the interests of no one but themselves. Fuck the Union jack we want our country back !
MrSplashcakes 8 months ago 9
This video has given me an idea, we should nuke Scotland!
skinlo01 8 months ago
i'm english not british! i'd love noting more than us english having a parliment with just english in it working for the good of the english people and not treating the scottish people better than we do ourselfs!!! the UK is dead in my opinion and anyway we are all the EU's bitch now thanks to blair and brown! brussels runs the show now! your just swapping one master for another
evergonge 8 months ago
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The scottish people have spoken and will continue to do so and support for the nationalist will keep rising and rising because of the failure from labour and libs and conservatives lies and pish poor politics! Alex Salmond has got westminster politics on the run and hopefully run that pish right out of scotland with an infactic YES! to independence in the future referendum! Keep going alex you are a great leader for scots and for the future of scotland! Saor alba!
Alastairbell 8 months ago
No one in England is a an opressive Scot hating arsehole. The majority of us think that Scots are pretty cool guys, so please stop hating the English for no reason at all. Modern English people have nothing to do with our dickhead colonial ancestors and we are greatly ashamed of our pasts.
I support both Scottish and English independence (not to mention Welsh and Ulster), we all have our own unique cultures that need to be respected.
Sillmech 8 months ago
People in England are either in favour of Scottish independence or (more generally) don't care. If separist Scots are looking for an "enemy" they should closer to home!
barnbersonol 9 months ago
I'm an Englishman, and Scotland should get its freedom. If the Scottish people want independence from the UK, then they should get independence. Any act otherwise is oppression to the Scottish people. The UK parliament is oppressing the people of the UK, especially Scotland. Better to rid the union and establish free and liberal societies. These are basic human rights and to deny them is to deny morality. The people of the UK shall be oppressed no longer!!
Malusregnum 1 year ago 17
@Malusregnum Oh yeah, we Scots sure are oppressed. I can barely hear you over the crack of English whips as I scrabble in the cold hard earth of Scotland for a living!
Lul, but srsly I'm a Scot and you should know that we aren't oppressed in the slightest and the vast majority of us are pro-Union. Pay no heed to the vocal minority that would betray our country.
TheXand19 9 months ago
@Malusregnum Well said m8 an english man with a brain.
1966thewallace 4 months ago
@Malusregnum
So glad not everyone thinks Scottish Independence is about hating England. It's the unfare UK parliament and being one of the few countries in the world that can't represent themselves on the world stage that gets our goat.
Cybopath 3 months ago
@Malusregnum. O K, then answer this question.
If Scotland benefits from the Union so much then why is it that Scotland is in such a state that it can no longer support itself?
I would like a proper answer, none of your vague unionist bullshit.
Bear in mind that Denmark, Ireland, Portugal, Sweden, Finland all have same 'small population' 5,000,000.
Norway of course is the real comparison, it has similar population, oil reserves etc,but you wouldn't want to compare Scotland with Norway!.
chancergordy 4 weeks ago
@chancergordy No idea what comment your referring to as I haven't been on here for a while. All I can say is under the SNP, they will lead Scotland into total chaos. Leaving one Union only to join the EU.
Malusregnum 4 weeks ago
@Malusregnum no worries!
chancergordy 4 weeks ago
@Malusregnum. looks like another vague, totally unfounded comment from a unionist, if you look at them all you will surely agree?
Britain is going down!
chancergordy 3 weeks ago
@chancergordy Didn't we already have this conversation with me ending up saying No idea what comment your referring to and you saying no worries?
Malusregnum 3 weeks ago
@Malusregnum Well your wrong they will give the people,a chance to vote for it.The legislastion bill went through about a months ago.And that is more than the UK Gov ever gave anybody,when they went into it.We can always hold off going into the EU.And go in the EFTA,like the Swiss and Norce and Litchstenstein people are in.Joining the EU is not set in stone.We have our options open to consider.Joining the EU would stop any English aggresion towards us though.And history can repeat its self.
legandrydirk 2 weeks ago
@legandrydirk pfft, The only way Scotland wouldn't go into the EU is if there was extreme resentment against it which as far as I know there isn't atm. The SNP are Pro EU, deal with it.
Malusregnum 2 weeks ago
@Malusregnum Where do you think I found out about the EFTA?The SNP are not all pro EU.And if they were as you say.They would just go straight into it.With out the will and the man date off the collective will off the people there electrite.Like the unionists went and did.And they are giving us a choise.If we want to be in or not.You deal with that one,you dont know about Scotland.I dont see a lot off support about the EU.When people learn that there is a alternative.And there is one out there.
legandrydirk 2 weeks ago
@legandrydirk No, the SNP are pro EU, end of. They might dispute with acts such as the common fishery policy etc but they are pro EU and they will take Scotland into the EU unless as stated, serious opposition to it. How can the SNP jump Scotland into the EU now? Scotland's not an independent country at the moment. Your thoughts are all "Well if this happened" stop living in a dream. The reality is the SNP will take Scotland into the EU and there is no serious Euroscepticism in Scotland.
Malusregnum 2 weeks ago
@Malusregnum The Scottish voters will have the choice to take us into the EU.The SNP cant act without there support.I know democrasy is a concept you Brits struggle with.Its how it works up here.Just read up on the WOOD McKENZIE report on north sea oil 2012.It makes intersting reading,just like the GERS report did.Who are you do tell me to stop living my dream?Perhaps my idea of a dream,is your nighmare?Tough cookies to you then.As clearly its you that has the REAL problem with a nation liberty.
legandrydirk 2 weeks ago
@Malusregnum found the comment but can't see it again.
chancergordy 3 weeks ago
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when are the celts-Scotts going to fight for indepence from the English-zionists ?... at least the Catholic IRISH have balls they dont take shit from the Eglish !!!! the scotts have no balls only big mouth !!
lion1green 1 year ago
don't want trident? vote for the liberal democrats :D
TheAppleturnovers 1 year ago
@TheAppleturnovers Don't want politicians? Don't vote for any of them:)
displexiaTNO 9 months ago
anyone notice that big european union flag flying around all over the place? scotland and the Uk are done for unless you all stand up to the real threat to this country
scottishchap2008 1 year ago
I'm sorry what’s the video trying to prove? That if the subs stay in Scotland they'll blow up? That Cameron is the same as Blair? That if your against British Imperialism Scotland should leave? Even though its been over for decades?
This is a poor attempt at propaganda if I ever saw one.
Pizza23333 1 year ago
@MrRascasseman Ok the, you can piss of and worry about the EU while we talk politics, and when you have finished fucking youself to sleep then you can join the UK confersation ok?
cameranzo1 1 year ago
@MrRascasseman Dude, for 1 minute forget the E fuckin U and actually talk about the video!
cameranzo1 1 year ago
@cameranzo1 no. The EU is the problem here. Not the UK. Please think about it. People like you are more than happy to be in denial about the EU but when it comes to the UK it's different. Scotland will crumble if independent and part of the EU. Now if you put forward an argument about independence from the UK AND the EU then there's something to think about seriously but are we supposed to take you seriously when you adovcate a position separate from the UK but no the EU? That is DELUSION.
MrRascasseman 1 year ago
Oh and is a video that depicts Burns, Wallace and Bruce a good idea? Or does it merely depict the delusion amongst Nats as nothing but romaticism driven morons?
MrRascasseman 1 year ago
It's time to stop shitting ourselves thinking independence will hurt us. Look at every other country that's got independence- they're doing fine
cameranzo1 1 year ago
@cameranzo1 yep Ireland are doing just fine. And Iceland - wow. I wish I could be there.
You're thick enough to think it's the Union which is keeping us back. You couldn't be more wrong. Think EU.
MrRascasseman 1 year ago
@MrRascasseman Good point mate. I really sad to see Ireland where it is today. Not just 'cause ordinary people will suffer and not the bankers or politicinas. The real, long term problem is the increased powers the EU will have over a supposedly sovereign state. Powers, once gained will never be let go. Ireland today, Iceland tomorrow, then Greece, then Portugal then .....................
TheBritishUnionist 1 year ago
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scotiish poem.......................Freedom is Alive,After all these years! Within every scot freedom is laced with many fears! Scotland,s Nation and her people must stand! And vote for Independence,Her liberty,Her land! Stand up scots and be visible AGAIN! To honour her woman and children and her Proud Proud men!!..................Saor alba!
cameranzo1 1 year ago
Blair's UK was the first country to join US and bomb Serbia to "free Kosovars" and to occupy the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohia, and, finally, recognise its "independence." You have been to your future - in others' past. Free Scotland will be as prosperous as Norway is!
lanilani06 1 year ago
Let's allow Scotland to be Free!
lanilani06 1 year ago
one large nation is better that a group of petty celtic sub nations.
HellenicCharge 1 year ago
is that at 0.52 david camerons wife samantha cos a think it is
o0scotland0o 1 year ago
I'm all for Scots independance. Have the Scots had a referendum yet? They need it. Tell you what why not let the English vote on it as well, we'll be more than happy to give you independance.
It does mean of course that all Scottish mp's must leave parliament etc.
darrenmsparrow 1 year ago
scottish inderpendance is stupid because england have all the money
silvertwist12345 1 year ago
@silvertwist12345 the money FROM scotland u sad fuckin posh queen worshipper
o0scotland0o 1 year ago
a hink scotland and ireland should invade england to get freedom for OUR countries
instead of england stealin our culture they steal scotlands oil (wee cunts) and they steal irelands (infact a dont know wit they steal aff ireland) but they steal our oil get them tae fuck theivin wee ARSEHOLES.
o0scotland0o 1 year ago
I,ve thought about it,it,s a good idea and you can take all the pissheads and druggies that infest London back too.Good riddance to lot of you,why not make sean connery president?Be good for a laugh.
anwarsat 1 year ago
whats the song that plays when all the exploding starts
highland0wolf 1 year ago
Scotland already controls the UK...Gordon and Blair are Scots.
barricader6 1 year ago
Scotland should join with Ireland and form the United Celtic Isles.
xxTheGhilliedGhostxx 1 year ago
@xxTheGhilliedGhostxx Good idea you can both go skint together ! Oh by the way Scotland is not an island but perhaps with a few pick axes we could free the jocks,should be fun.
anwarsat 1 year ago
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@athiestsshallburn Please give me one good reason why ?
Luigi2533 1 year ago
Funny, if "All nations perfer it" why arnt you independent now?
jamsie1994 1 year ago
why does scotland let england take its oil could someone explain this if scotland was independant would they not be richer from the oil
dennynua 1 year ago
why does scotland let england take its oil could someone explain this if scotland was independant would they not be richer from the oil
dennynua 1 year ago
why are you showing pics of david cameron lol hes scottish anyway good luck with your independence PS everyone in england wishes you were indpendent so we wouldnt have to pay taxes so you've got good healthcare and education......
canemlatina 1 year ago
@canemlatina m8 why the fuck dae u hink hes scootish hes too posh tae be scottish plus we dont need ur pish stained money we can use our oil fur aww that ya prrrrick
o0scotland0o 1 year ago
I agree, Scotland should be independent from England. Then all Scottish MP's should leave the English Parliament and relocate to the Scottish Assembly. Afterwards all monies paid to Scotland from England should be stopped. Scotland will then be responsible for its own taxes etc. England will not have to sustain Scottish peoples tax breaks and perks any more. Absolutely brilliant, I can see a fairer Scotland and England for all.
dmspar70 1 year ago
isnt it sad how many people follow the movie Braveheart which btw isnt historically correct and want to divide the 300+ year Union of countrys that have got along fine. Its just a movie please grow up.
LadyPriotious 1 year ago
A recent survey show that only about 33% of Scots want independence. If from England and i really don't give a dam if your an independent country or not but you will never get it until the majority of the population wants it, and with the Global Ressession still felt in the UK, Its unlikely that support for Scottish independence is going to increase.
Greetings from England
Malusregnum 1 year ago
Is fhearr fheuchainn na bhith san duil, alba gu brath!
TartanTerror1314 1 year ago 3
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so pathetically typical that you have put a picture of mel gibson at the start of the video. get a grip of yourselfs
PureJockPureBrit 2 years ago
Burn the fucking queen
avatarNbraveheart 2 years ago 5
I wish you Scots would take all of your totally useless politicians OUT of our English parliament...why should a country of only 5 million have TWO parliaments. Have your independence...the sooner the better. It's the Scottish politicians that have almost destroyed our economy..Blair, Brown, Darling etc; and Cameron is waiting to do the same.
Miserable,cold dirty country..full of miserable people.
Scotland..the second least popular place to visit..after Siberia.
troikagirl 2 years ago
@troikagirl
are you gettin enough?
mon the scots!
hoopybhoy74 2 years ago 4
We only want one parliament but its a means to an end, oh and Blair described himself as English.
freescotlandnow 2 years ago
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well said troika girl!!! If you look at what scotland has got out of the union it is quite staggering, but they sill bloody moan!!!!!! for a tiny nation they sure have a huge opinion of themselves!!!!
Why can't an englishmen comment on scottish affairs but are riddled with them down here??? Get rid of them I say!!!!
TheLordrochester 2 years ago
@TheLordrochester
we have a huge opinion of ourselves because we are a small population with HUGE natural resources and have a MASSIVE right to moan in this unfair union that is south east biased!
hoopybhoy74 2 years ago 7