Cromwell's downfall

[theveryelect24]

This movie needs TONY JAY!

[alexkrycek21]

I think this scene was much better to the one done in the recent series of the Tudors.

[akosigundam]

Finally! A FAT HENRY VIII!

[Nelsonhojax15]

Is it just me, or does the guy playing Archbishop Cranmer look exactly like his portrait?

[hlimkb]

rather ironic another cromwell indeed instigated the beheading of charles 1 n almost his son perhaps a few hundreds years apart n for different reasons,such is life

[skn1212]

I actually am of the opinion that Thomas Cromwell was an intellegent and most loyal servant of KH8. I have researched him for a while now, and have found him to be an astute poltical mind, and alternative thinker. Sure he may have helped the process of More, Fisher and others deaths, but he also brought a new age of religious 'freedom' (as far as you could back then) to England. In a way I admire his clever mind and great willingness to serve his king (as terrible a king as he was).

[AllenbysEyes]

What is this from, may I ask? It seems interesting.

[littlemisssunnydale]

It's from a film called "Henry VIII and His Six Wives" (1973)

[bellevue54]

He argued for justice, the whole point of kings and councils is to serve the people, not lord themselves over us. Ponet's arguments can be used to bring any despotic or unfair authority to book.

As for Thomas Cromwell he made all those laws which sent Thomas More, John Fisher, etc to the block, but they came to bit him back in the end.

[bellevue54]

There was a man lving at that time called John Ponet, he wrote a book entitled "Treatise of Politike Power" and he argued against the supremacy of kings. He was writing in 1556 in Queen Mary's, one of his arguments were that kings could be assassinated if they use violence. I don't agree with assasination, but I sympathise with Ponet.

[joshgoodin26]

Henry died of Syphillis, so at least there is some justice. He probably will be sent to hell on the day of judgement

[YeOldeTune]

We know now that Henry did not have syphillis

[RealityCalling]

That is a theory. It has never been proved that he died from Syphillis.

There are many arguements for and against this theory. None proven one way or another. He would have passed this to his wives and perhaps children. I see no solid evidence this was so.

Kindly don't make blanket statements.

[Medusa0999]

Also people would notice the sores and madness that go with syphillis.I think his bad livestyle, eating habbits, weight, age, lack of excercise andthe stress of his reign just caught up with him in the end.

[edoboleyn]

I happen to like Cromwell, personally. Cx Ruthless, cruel, manipulative--he was hardly perfect, but Cromwell was a survivor. Like Wolsey, Cranmer, and Norfolk, he gave the King what he wanted. More was hardly a saint, himself. He ordered the burning of six Protestants.

[YeOldeTune]

Who were those six Protestants?

[Sibelius92]

Thomas More ordered the burning of six Protestants? Nobody's Perfect.

[YeOldeTune]

No, that's not accurated, More never ordered any burnings

[RealityCalling]

He was what most people were in those days, a climber. Take no prisoners attitude. To survive at court be you a chancellor or a King or Queen you put emotion and love for fellow man aside.

[missmarilyn79]

Cromwell did what everyone else did, only better.Lets not forget that Henry was bemoaning his death not long after.I hate to tell everyone but Anne Boelyn was no saint herself.Thomas Moore was unfortunate, but lets remember the kings role in that.Cromwell was zealous that's true but that wasn't uncommon for survival in Henrys kingdom.

[Ladyjaxs]

I must say I am not at all sad that Cromwell was brought downfall. Because of him good men like Thomas Moore and others like him died!!

[rickker20]

Cromwell was and evil man. He got what he deserved.

[BRUTUALTRUTH]

Thomas Cromwell was a nasty piece of work! He brought the destruction of Anne Boleyn and Thomas More.Upon the block he was beheaded by a deliberately clumsy axeman - what goes round comes round eh Tommy boy???

[icyangel018]

I agree to an extent, he was quite horrid. But then he was only doing what Henry wanted done - it's annoying that everyone else paid for their crimes but Henry being a King got away scot free

[BRUTUALTRUTH]

Good comment but history recalls Cromwell as extra zealous. He got his comeuppance on the block!