Wow, first time rewatching this after I started fencing a few months ago..... even I could have scored a touch when Picard lost his balance, and I stink at it so far :)
The floor mat looks like some sort of wireless scoring. hoe clever notice how they don't have wires attached to their bodies to keep track of the electronic scoring.
I ALWAYS salute, even if it's a slight gesture before I fence. The masks are saber, as are the gloves...I guess because saber equipment looks the coolest.
I salute too, it's automatic, I also salute following the fight. If they were going for looking cool, why didn't they just use sabre's as well. The guards are bretty darn impressive, and they make an excellent sound (coming from an epeeist, who would never admit this at her club)
Leon Paul's women's foil jackets are cool, though. And if they were aiming for cool, you can get beeter shoes than that.
As far as I can tell, Picard starts out with an épée and switches to a foil at the end guinan always has an épée. An épée also appears in picard's ready room in nemesis.
I love this scene. Picard should have sent Hugh back with the anomaly. You cannot negotiate with the Borg. The only way to deal with someone bent on killing you is to kill them first. Not pulling the trigger with Hugh was a tactical mistake.
They didn't even salute each other before putting their masks back on. Tsk tsk. It's not as atrociously bad as some of the fencers here paint it out to be, but certainly more blade contact than you'd see in a typical bout I'd say. And it's much slower, too.
It's not that much slower than épée, but they are foil fencing. And what's up with the clearly sabre equipment? And, they might just not be saluting because they are only practicing and they are close friends. I only salute when I'm fencing someone I don't know, or when it's a more formal bout.
I'd say it's a judgment call on the card. She'd lose the point of course, but he'd still have learned his lesson (Maybe? I don't watch this show. Never have). LoL. Too bad they're not doing Epee.
Don't fret about the fenciong...Hollywood never cares about accuracy (I've done fencing work witht he induistry before). You can tell it's Whoopi through the mask (they look like modified Santelli sabre masks...appropriate for the time of the shoot).
You'll never find a totally accutate fencing scene in the industry
The point of the scene(bad fencing aside), is that Guinan is showing Picard that someone, the Borg in this case, can exploit pity easily and catch you with your guard down.
I'm a fencer and let me tell you, they suck! Supplimental: Yes, I know it's just for entertainment, but they weren't even trying to make it look real!
yes me too, i am a fencer, you are right, they suck,very poor quality scene, and they did not even try to make it look like real fencing..cheap stuff..
@dvdragon And what exactly are they not doing right? Footwork is on point, the swordplay looked decent enough, and the lunges looked good. What are they not doing right?
@belias360 Their arm motions are too big and they're clearly not thinking in terms of right-of-way. However, they're doing stage combat not fencing, so they really are doing it right.
@Destructor111 Modern fencing tactics and strategy are designed to game the rules. Much of what we do in fencing would get us killed or severely injured in a real sword fight. I still love fencing though.
Hugh :(
Tiwaking 2 weeks ago
Y'all, chill. It's 2 amateurs fencing in the future. They aren't supposed to look good. I mean, duh.
brinpol 1 month ago
Wow, first time rewatching this after I started fencing a few months ago..... even I could have scored a touch when Picard lost his balance, and I stink at it so far :)
1992goldeagle 1 month ago
At 0:17 she should have said "Fuck you bitch ass nigga"
AusS3TV 3 months ago
Oooooooohhhhhh SNAP!!!!!!!
tysonspics101 4 months ago
love how obvious whoopi goldberg's stunt double is:D all of a sudden, she gets bigger after a cut, when the game ends:D
gocsa 5 months ago
the most action you ever see in star trek.
allshallbelosttoyou 5 months ago
The floor mat looks like some sort of wireless scoring. hoe clever notice how they don't have wires attached to their bodies to keep track of the electronic scoring.
Dimitri0809 8 months ago
1:39 - SNAP!
RoDJ99 10 months ago
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TheBrilliantGeniuses 1 year ago
Patrick Stewart knows how to fence, but I doubt Whoopi does. Perhaps the production had to compensate for her lack of skill.
bamapagedesign 1 year ago
around the world in 90 days Sport
Ypipable 2 years ago
Wow Whoopi sporting the new hair lame' lol
bbwbb2 2 years ago
I ALWAYS salute, even if it's a slight gesture before I fence. The masks are saber, as are the gloves...I guess because saber equipment looks the coolest.
kyfriedpecker 2 years ago
I salute too, it's automatic, I also salute following the fight. If they were going for looking cool, why didn't they just use sabre's as well. The guards are bretty darn impressive, and they make an excellent sound (coming from an epeeist, who would never admit this at her club)
Leon Paul's women's foil jackets are cool, though. And if they were aiming for cool, you can get beeter shoes than that.
Hybrid429 2 years ago
Whoopi's hair adornment influence Rick Owens? Hehe
miumiumoose11 2 years ago
I would have black carded Guinan for faking an injury, :) I guess the holodeck is a lenient director.
riflepoet 2 years ago 2
As far as I can tell, Picard starts out with an épée and switches to a foil at the end guinan always has an épée. An épée also appears in picard's ready room in nemesis.
frenchie16000 3 years ago
I love this scene. Picard should have sent Hugh back with the anomaly. You cannot negotiate with the Borg. The only way to deal with someone bent on killing you is to kill them first. Not pulling the trigger with Hugh was a tactical mistake.
sunnchilde 3 years ago
Sloppiest foil fencing of ALL TIME. My instructor would SHOOT THEM. And so much for "Salute and shake hands after a bout!"
sharkbait240 3 years ago
They didn't even salute each other before putting their masks back on. Tsk tsk. It's not as atrociously bad as some of the fencers here paint it out to be, but certainly more blade contact than you'd see in a typical bout I'd say. And it's much slower, too.
kyfriedpecker 3 years ago
It's not that much slower than épée, but they are foil fencing. And what's up with the clearly sabre equipment? And, they might just not be saluting because they are only practicing and they are close friends. I only salute when I'm fencing someone I don't know, or when it's a more formal bout.
frenchie16000 3 years ago
Guinan pwned Picard.
DBarringer3 3 years ago
This scene inspired me to take up the sport
dominicpodom 3 years ago
Weak minded fool!
DBarringer3 3 years ago
What can I say? I am a trekkie
dominicpodom 3 years ago
Haha TV fencing is the best.
n00bber 3 years ago
I'd say it's a judgment call on the card. She'd lose the point of course, but he'd still have learned his lesson (Maybe? I don't watch this show. Never have). LoL. Too bad they're not doing Epee.
OverlookedFile 3 years ago
Yellow card for blocking target at 1:35???
Bomberman411 3 years ago
Don't fret about the fenciong...Hollywood never cares about accuracy (I've done fencing work witht he induistry before). You can tell it's Whoopi through the mask (they look like modified Santelli sabre masks...appropriate for the time of the shoot).
You'll never find a totally accutate fencing scene in the industry
homfencing 3 years ago
Captain Picard just powned Whoppi!
TheMethadoneParty 3 years ago
All right. All of us fencers know that this just isnt right. But look it the other way, its a good comercial for fencing.
Leont64 3 years ago
yeah
hakuluvr2 3 years ago
this is a great scene
landislau 4 years ago
lol, yeah. Great commercial. it made me get into it.
hakuluvr2 3 years ago
HAHAHAHA the end is so stupid! "you felt sorry for me, look where it got you" I am a fencer and they really make fencing look bad :D.
Done get me all wrong, I really love star trek TNG but... I hate that scene!
GuranAnka 4 years ago 2
The point of the scene(bad fencing aside), is that Guinan is showing Picard that someone, the Borg in this case, can exploit pity easily and catch you with your guard down.
FaxModem1 2 years ago
their fencing sucks..sorry can't help but make a comment cuz i am a fencer.
ctnw2008 4 years ago
yeah, but this scene is what made me start fencing.
hakuluvr2 3 years ago
I'm a fencer and let me tell you, they suck! Supplimental: Yes, I know it's just for entertainment, but they weren't even trying to make it look real!
GuranAnka 4 years ago 2
yes me too, i am a fencer, you are right, they suck,very poor quality scene, and they did not even try to make it look like real fencing..cheap stuff..
ctnw2008 4 years ago
I fenced for four years. I know they are not doing it right.
dvdragon 4 years ago
@dvdragon And what exactly are they not doing right? Footwork is on point, the swordplay looked decent enough, and the lunges looked good. What are they not doing right?
belias360 1 year ago
@belias360 Their arm motions are too big and they're clearly not thinking in terms of right-of-way. However, they're doing stage combat not fencing, so they really are doing it right.
PissedFechtmeister 1 year ago
@PissedFechtmeister Lol, fencing really is the art of doing it wrong, honed to perfection!
Destructor111 11 months ago
@Destructor111 Modern fencing tactics and strategy are designed to game the rules. Much of what we do in fencing would get us killed or severely injured in a real sword fight. I still love fencing though.
PissedFechtmeister 11 months ago
@PissedFechtmeister not in the epee... that's useful!
CRM114HAL1 9 months ago
@dvdragon its space fencing
drnarcolepsy 8 months ago
a nice bout and sound sense from guinan. I do liek the strip they're om but I think picard was hacking a bit. props for finding this mate.
Cyclonus5 4 years ago