boblackey1 are you aware that the NT "story of the adulterous woman " ie, "let those among you without sin ,cast the first stone " is a parable added by some anonymous scribe SEVERAL century's after the death of Christ .this much beloved story was simply NOT in any of the original texts and has NOTHING whatever to do with the original gospels
In 1950 they discovered ossuaries, amongst others, belonging to a Simon Bar Jonah, a Mary, a Martha, and an Eleazar. There were even crosses inscribed on some ossuaries and the epithet "He was crucified" on others. And coins dated to 42 CE at the latest. Yet no reference to any resurrection whatsoever or to any Jesus. This was in Jerusalem, not Rome. So if this Simon was Kephas, and was Peter, Peter wasn't crucified in Rome! Hmmm... curioser and curioser.
Jesus is real and did and still does exist, you can not believe a word this Kenneth Humphries says, he is a liar and is just trying to make a name for himself just like the conspiracy nutters that believe that the moon landing was a hoax and that the holocaust never happened and that the US government was responsible for the 911 attacks, these people are sad and no one with any common sense takes them seriously.
Some YT Christians put out videos trying to "prove" Jesus was a historical figure. Well , what do REAL scholars say?
- From Wikipedia
John Meier, University of Notre Dame, "...people claim they are doing a quest for the historical Jesus when de facto they’re doing theology.."
Dale Allison, Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, "...We wield our criteria to get what we want...We all see what we expect to see and what we want to see...."
I think that sums up "biblical" studies quite well.
@satansgirl661 Have a look on here at the "Davey Falcus" testimony video on here. He was a hardened gangland villain who had a supernatural experience in which is saw a vision of Jesus Christ and picking up a Bible one day and then praying.
@satansgirl661 Wrong a lot of good has come from Christianity, what about church run soup kitchens and night shelters for the homeless. And homeless hostels like the YMCA and St Mungos and Salvation Army hostels. Also there have been many changes in people from extremely bad to good. Look up "Davey Falcus" on here and watch his video of how he went from gangster to a good person after finding Christianity.
Jesus could have been a legend, based on a real person like Robin Hood. The story of Jesus could therefore contain some truth. People have to remember that before the Bible was written down it was told to people by word of mouth for many years.
of course no man ever walked the earth by the name of jesus or whatever name you give him, all of this christian stuff started with pltolomy 1 back in 300 b.c, this guy named soter/serapis , he started this christ image worship and then years later the roman church tried to convince people that the image was god,and there was people at that time that understood the origins of that christ back to serapis and didnt want to worship it,thats another reason islam poped up it was a new slavery waiting
well if you dont have a heart and dont believe in him then no one can froce you to belive it but thats what exactly it says in the bible many people will fall down of my way , satan is trying on everysingle person around the world to take you away from God so that he becomes stronger and you say he never existed? then who existed satan ???? how can you not belive it just wait up till the judgement dday then you will regret it
what the heck peopel u are chattin bullshit sorry for my bad language but u say in america you got lots of jesus and in the past, thats peopel that are antichrists. Jesus did exist he died for us on the cross and this wasnt a story made by humand catholic tyhat what the apsotles wrote when they went around the world and told the people about jesus then how are we on this world then? because god made us thats what it is saying in the bible many people will turn away from gods way like some of you
@PostITnoteGUY Sometimes it takes getting to the end of oneself before you finally look up. How can I show one love and forgiveness if I truley did not know what love was, love is a choice one makes toward another no matter what he she does not because he was good or bad so untel I experanced God's love I could finaly show it to the one hurt
@PostITnoteGUY I donnot deserve anything for I am a sinner, But God offers His love grace and mercy as a free gift just like a christmas pressent you acept that, why not His forgivness. I should suffer, but Jesus bore my sins on the cross for he loves us all "the free gift"
@PostITnoteGUY I did not commit the rape but yes on the violence.Romans 1: 22 Professing to be wise, they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man and birds and four footed animals and creeping things.Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love torward us,in that while we were still sinners,Christ died for us. I tell you as a warning out of love Jesus is the Way the Truth the Life
I think Jesus existed but he definitely didn't come here to get nailed to a cross, that is bullshit, the fact people would take kids to see a 33 year old man get brutally and savagely torn apart and crucified is quit frankly awful. Jesus probably tried to show us that we are all beings of light and that there are beings of light and beings of darkness in this world. Then knowing the truth they murdered him and called it all part of the 'plan'. Really, what plan, to get tortured to death?
Well before Jesus changed my life He did not mean much to me either but when I was being charged with rape and domestic violence awating my court date I was sitting in the woods and started looking around at the trees,somebody created this just like your computer then it dawned how much of a sinner I was I decided to submit to Gods will and ask Jesus's forgiveness of my sin's and a weight lifted off me I realized He loves me and you all more then we ever will know on earth He stands and knocks
Would we need theology, apology, religious establishments and priests if god existed? Those things in my view, is the clearest evidence for the nonexistance of all this bullshit. (excuse my French)
There Jesus of the NT never existed, if he did I'd be a Christian. However there were lots of Jesus' back then. Heaps of Jesus' now... a lot of them live in South America :D (jk)
WOW. Few videos are packed with as much error as this one. At no time in history until modern times as anyone, including people that have been hostile to Christianity and much to gain by stamping it out early on, has anyone believed such nonsense.
Well he may have been Julius Caesar. Google "Gospel of Caesar". Almost everything in Jesus' life has a parallel with the life of Julius Caesar, including a Crucifixion! -And Julius Caesar was called "Christ" before Jesus supposedly existed!
@neolia23 Dr. Bart Ehrman a "secular" historian totally disagrees that Jesus never existed. He does state clearly that Jesus was nothing more than a well known holy man, NOT divine, and not a healer, etc. Please check out Dr Ehrman and other "historians".
@mythicalhell E.A.Wallis Budge translation of, 'The Papyrus of Ani' (1500BCE comp O.T.800-300BCE ish), other great writings are by Donald A. Mackenzie,' Egyptian myth and legend', James G Frazer, 'The Golden Bough', For sceptical Bible scholars try Joseph Wheless, Robert Ingersoll, C.Dennis Mckinsey, Victor J Stenger, Robert M Price, Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Bart Ehrman, Gary Greenberg, Richard Carrier, David Mills, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
@zytigon Ken Humphreys is full of horseshit. There are almost NO scholars and historians who agree with him. Plus Humphreys is a damn amature. He is NOT a real scholar. Also it IS interesting that the one scholar who does have a Phd in Christian origins, Robert Price, had Jesus Seminar leader Robert Miller, Phd on his show and Dr. Miller told Price the samething Ehrman holds as does John Dominic Crosson and most other liberal scholars, Jesus was a teacher and not divine. Price did not challenge
@boblackey1 You've made some interesting points. Humphreys is examining the idea that Christ is total myth, in man on the street terms. I think his main point is that the 'Jesus', ministers fabricate never existed. Ken gives links to other interesting sites & authors eg Earl Doherty, 'The Jesus puzzle'. I've read Kens site many times, I admire his courage to question &break taboos, it amuses me. It is up to each individual to decide what scenario they think is most likely. Be your own detective
@zytigon Earl Doherty is yet another amature and almost NO Phd level scholars take him seriously. Only Robert Price, Phd does that I've found. Yet when Price recently had Jesus Seminar scholar Robert Miller, Phd on his show, (see youtube video) Miller tells Price what the evidence shows concerning the historical Jesus. He was but a wandering preacher/teacher who considered himself the Messiah but not divine, not son of God and not virgin born. Here Price had the chance to challenge but DID NOT!!
@zytigon Also E.A. Wallis Budge was full of horseshit too. He is NOT considered a very careful and reliable scholar. I know with certainity. I've check him out with Egyptologists and he is a hack! There is almost NO chance that Jesus didn't exist and NO chance that Paul didn't exist. Indeed because Humphrey's is a fucking amature, he doen'st seem to be aware of the vast scholarly work done on Paul. Including those who doubt Paul was really a Jew but that DO accept that he existed, wrote 7letters
@boblackey1 I think the main body of Budge's work is accepted as correct. The Egyptians dreamed up ideas about an afterlife & judgement by Osiris a thousand years before the Hebrews. How come the language & ideas on the 1500BCE Papyrus of Ani are so similar to Christian doctrine? How come Moses condemns neighbouring cultures that are no worse than the Hebrews? The Egyptians practised circumcision & abstenance from pork in pre Hebrew times. Paul talks of meeting Jesus but it was only thoughts.
@zytigon When you follow amatures such as Earl Doherty, Acharya S. and Ken Humphreys, you will never discover what the evidence shows Jesus probably was historically. You have to go to REAL scholars such as Robert Miller, Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crosson, Burton L. Mack etc etc. The original Jesus movement (which had little Christian doctrine) began with John the Baptist THEN Jesus. When Jesus was crucified by Pilate, which his original followers were not expecting, his brother James took over.
@zytigon Paul claims to have meet Jesus in a spritural manner on the road to Damascus. Jesus had been crucified before Paul launched his own Jesus movement which differed greatly from the Jerusalem movement which then involved James and Peter. Paul admits he fought with them over doctrine. Paul also claims in Galatains that he when to Jerusalem and met Peter and he also met James whom Paul called "the brother of the Lord". So Paul met Jesus' brother in the flesh.
@zytigon Paul also claims to have met the apostle John and a couple of early second century Christians met John and heard him speak in the late first century. John claimed to have heard and met Jesus in the flesh. But Kenneth Humphrey's as well as Acharya S. advance the idea it is unlikely that Paul even existed too. Yet even the most skeptical secular scholars grant SEVEN of the NT letters attributed to Paul AS FROM PAUL!! This is the kind of horseshit you get dealing with amatures such as Ken.
@boblackey1 I agree with you that people should read everything or a cross section or works. See where they agree & disagree. I don't advize people to accept everything that Humphreys writes. He is trying to think down the path of Jesus & Paul being total myth to see if it can fit. I liked exploring that option & knowing it. I tend to agree with Ehrman that perhaps there was a human Jesus. He may well have accepted what Pharisees told him about h. &hell. I think he was mistaken about that.
@zytigon Well writers such as Humphreys, Doherty and Acharya S dislike Christianity and really want religion in general to "go away". Acharya S. takes pride that her work "Is a bridge to atheism". So they are amatures and motivated by a bitterness toward Christianity and want to knock it over, thus go for the throat and posit that Jesus never existed. But that is not the way scholarship should work. It should not have an agenda other than critical investigation.
@boblackey1 It's true that scholarship should be neutral. But is it ever ? The paymaster calls the tune . Look at Ehrmans proposition. There was a human Jesus who had apocalyptic delusions, he thought he could teach better than officialdom. He thought that he could be a human sacrifice to save people from hell. He drew a crowd & irritated the rulers too much by insulting them, so they killed him. End of Jesus. People mistook their dreams & notions as messages from God. Legend & myth grew up.
@zytigon I an angostic about religion and a creator. But to me, the works of many critical scholars such as Ehrman demonstrate NO DOUBT that Jesus did exist. The work of Loisy showing years ago how the gospels were written in layers with the oldest layers presenting a Jesus who preached the "Kingdom of God is at hand" and was not divine or virgin born with other parts interpolations and redactions. The "Q" source document, Josephus, Tacitus etc provide clear support that Jesus DID exist as a man
@zytigon I an angostic about religion and a creator. But to me, the works of many critical scholars such as Ehrman demonstrate NO DOUBT that Jesus did exist. The work of Loisy showing years ago how the gospels were written in layers with the oldest layers presenting a Jesus who preached the "Kingdom of God is at hand" and was not divine or virgin born with other parts interpolations and redactions. The "Q" source document, Josephus, Tacitus etc provide clear support that Jesus DID exist as a man
@zytigon Check out the website wwwdotjosephusdotorg for several pages that demonstrate to me that Josephus' famous TF passage DOES contain some "interpolations" but the passage as it reads in the oldest manuscripts which date only to the 10th century, is NOT the original. BUT!! The original by Josephus does confirm that Jesus existed and was crucified by Pontius Pilate. Tacitus in 110 AD reports that Christos was the origin of the name Christian and he was crucified by Pilate.
@boblackey1 I definitely don't take the whole story about what Jesus did & said to be the truth. I think probably the writers of the Bible wrote historical fiction. Yes maybe there was a human Jesus. But they ascribed to him a whole load of sayings & acts that he maybe never did. Lots of folk had a shot at putting words into his mouth. I've heard a Christian Bible scholar say that he wouldn't teach from John 8v1-11 as it's probably forgery but to me that is one of the most ethical Bible bits.
@boblackey1 I definitely don't take the whole story about what Jesus did & said to be the truth. I think probably the writers of the Bible wrote historical fiction. Yes maybe there was a human Jesus. But they ascribed to him a whole load of sayings & acts that he maybe never did. Lots of folk had a shot at putting words into his mouth. I've heard a Christian Bible scholar say that he wouldn't teach from John 8v1-11 as it's probably forgery but to me that is one of the most ethical Bible bits.
@zytigon Yes the story in John's gospel about the woman caught in adultery and Jesus saying to those who wanted her stoned to death under Jewish law "Those among you without sin cast the first stone", is a wonderful story of forgiveness and a sharp reminder that ALL of us fall short of the 10 commandments, even those who are religious. But it is true that the oldest copies of John's gospel do not contain the story. And copies a bit younger have the story, but it's in the margin or brackets.
@boblackey1 ' Fall short of 10 commandments ' is meaningless religious speak. Have a look at Gary Greenberg, ' 101 myths of the Bible ' in which he points out there are over 3 versions of 10 Cs. The only set called 10Cs is Ex34 where 10th is 'Do not boil goat in its mothers milk' or see Hitchens Youtube lecture on 10Cs. Bible rules are a distraction. Current law of your country is the relevant ones to watch not to break. U.K 2011 are law is superior to Bible laws.
@boblackey1 ' Fall short of 10 commandments ' is meaningless religious speak. Have a look at Gary Greenberg, ' 101 myths of the Bible ' in which he points out there are over 3 versions of 10 Cs. The only set called 10Cs is Ex34 where 10th is 'Do not boil goat in its mothers milk' or see Hitchens Youtube lecture on 10Cs. Bible rules are a distraction. Current law of your country is the relevant ones to watch not to break. U.K 2011 are law is superior to Bible laws.
@zytigon In an epistle attributed to John (most liberal scholars say we don't know who actually wrote it) the commandments of God means "believe in the name of Jesus Christ and love one another". Nothing about adultery or keeping the Sabbath holy. My mention of the 10 commandments had to do with Jesus dealing with the Jewish leaders who want to stone to death the woman caught in adultery and Jesus points out to them they are not keeping them perfectly either. None of us measure up that standard.
@boblackey1 If you have lived within your country's laws then you've done well. But within that, most decisions are a trade off between conflicting priorities. For you body- excercise for the good of your flesh- muscles, circulatory is healthy but too much can wear skeleton. Balance between too little & too much. Watch not to work too hard physically or you could end up shortening your lifespan. Health & memory & job skills & staying in legal employment is a key to keeping out of trouble
@zytigon I have some of Ehrman's books..I will have to read them again as I'm not sure Ehrman thinks that Jesus thought his death would save people from hell. Many of the liberal/skeptical scholars hold that Jesus was first a follower of John the Baptist who was killed and Jesus took over that movement probably called "The Nazarenes" in Jerusalem. His brother James and Peter and John were part of it. Jesus probably thought of himself as the Messiah but not divine & without supernatural power.
@zytigon I have some of Ehrman's books..I will have to read them again as I'm not sure Ehrman thinks that Jesus thought his death would save people from hell. Many of the liberal/skeptical scholars hold that Jesus was first a follower of John the Baptist who was killed and Jesus took over that movement probably called "The Nazarenes" in Jerusalem. His brother James and Peter and John were part of it. Jesus probably thought of himself as the Messiah but not divine & without supernatural power.
@zytigon Also these scholars I'm talking about hold that his earliest followers and Jesus himself were not expecting Jesus to be executed. That came as a surprise and after his death, they had to explain it. But they also hold that much of today's doctrine in Christianity comes from the theology of Paul and it is very different than the teachings of the original Jesus movement. And they hold it is NOT likely that Paul's theology included the virgin birth. That doctrine came post Paul.
@boblackey1 If the Aztecs had written stuff, their manual would say, "We offered the human sacrifice to appease the gods so they may spare us from the volcano or famine" They had a hypothesis about what was going on, the person dies and things will be better than they would be if we did nothing. Often the victim had consented thinking they were playing a glorious part in saving society. They were all mistaken about a link or god. How could they not recognise no good was coming from sacrifices?
@zytigon Yes I agree with that. But you have to remember that we are dealing with people who lived thousands of years ago. Even most educated people then thought the earth was flat, the sky was made of metal, the stars were holes letting the light of heaven through, that evil spirits were all around us.
@zytigon To me, it seems almost, if not completely, certain that Jesus WAS crucified by Pontius Pilate about 30 AD. Tacitus in that passage calls the Christian religion "an evil superstition which was eleminated for awhile but broke out again and spread all the way to Rome". That seems more like what Tacitus knew from either offical records or his education or what he had heard all his life rather than Christian hearsay. Of course we don't know with certainity how Tacitus knew that.
I have written a couple of Egyptologists and spoken with another on the phone and Budge's work is considered as unreliable by many Egyptologists working today. According to Dr. Mack in "Who Wrote the New Testament, the making of the Christian Myth", the original Jesus movement had nothing to do with Egyptian gods and doctrine. Paul meets Jesus brother, Peter and John, yet never mentions the virgin birth in his letters!?. Why? Paul probably never heard of such a doctrine.
@boblackey1 The British museum put the Papyrus of Ani on display early in 2011 & I have a copy of the accompanying book "Journey through the afterlife, Ancient Egyptian book of the dead " Editied by John H. Taylor. P289 -291 This translation is by R.O.Faulkner. The gist is that the priests considered their texts to be magic spells to get to the land of the living. How is that different to how religion considers Holy Writ today ? A question raised by J.G. Frazer in 'The Golden Bough'?
@zytigon Dr. Maccoby, a Jewish scholar, has studied Paul extensively and doubts Paul told the truth about being a Jew! And Dr. Maccoby finds it was PAUL who borrowed ideas from the mystic religions for his Jesus movement and the original Jesus movement did not. The Christianity of today received more of it's doctrine from Paul than the Jerusalem movement. And doctrine such as the virgin birth, Sunday rather than the Sabbath, December 25th etc etc were added well AFTER Paul's time on earth.
"Antiquity Unveiled" supports the theory that Jesus never existed. The book can be downloaded for free.
k0smon 5 days ago
congratulation Satan you done it well.
hseolnnya 2 weeks ago
I'm tired of these fools denying the existence of shrimp baby.
suplexthetrain 1 month ago 2
boblackey1 are you aware that the NT "story of the adulterous woman " ie, "let those among you without sin ,cast the first stone " is a parable added by some anonymous scribe SEVERAL century's after the death of Christ .this much beloved story was simply NOT in any of the original texts and has NOTHING whatever to do with the original gospels
woodenmajor 1 month ago
anti christ shit
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In 1950 they discovered ossuaries, amongst others, belonging to a Simon Bar Jonah, a Mary, a Martha, and an Eleazar. There were even crosses inscribed on some ossuaries and the epithet "He was crucified" on others. And coins dated to 42 CE at the latest. Yet no reference to any resurrection whatsoever or to any Jesus. This was in Jerusalem, not Rome. So if this Simon was Kephas, and was Peter, Peter wasn't crucified in Rome! Hmmm... curioser and curioser.
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Jesus is real and did and still does exist, you can not believe a word this Kenneth Humphries says, he is a liar and is just trying to make a name for himself just like the conspiracy nutters that believe that the moon landing was a hoax and that the holocaust never happened and that the US government was responsible for the 911 attacks, these people are sad and no one with any common sense takes them seriously.
MrJohnboy1984 3 months ago
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MrJohnboy1984 3 months ago
Jesus, did you kill Rita?
MetalVikingGreg 3 months ago 2
yoo0o0or what rubbish JESUS EXSITED!!!!!......
lilladione 3 months ago
Didn't Mrs. Ramirez teach you anything?
MoonshadowCaz 3 months ago 4
Ah, the blind leading the BLIND... Gotta love it
TrunkMonkey3000 9 months ago
i listen to what you say and I will say. I wasted about 7 minutes of my times !
turtle4aire 11 months ago
@turtle4aire seems you have a lot of time to waste as well as your lying mind
martlut 11 months ago
Some YT Christians put out videos trying to "prove" Jesus was a historical figure. Well , what do REAL scholars say?
- From Wikipedia
John Meier, University of Notre Dame, "...people claim they are doing a quest for the historical Jesus when de facto they’re doing theology.."
Dale Allison, Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, "...We wield our criteria to get what we want...We all see what we expect to see and what we want to see...."
I think that sums up "biblical" studies quite well.
LoopQuantumGravity1 1 year ago
Dale Allison, continued , "Biblical scholarship is also seen as so low standard that even apologetics passes for scholarship."
There you have it, folks! Even people who earn their paychecks doing "biblical studies" admit it's all bullshit.
Was anyone actually surprised??
LoopQuantumGravity1 1 year ago
if there no jesus why is it 2011
fromcle2israel 1 year ago
@fromcle2israel They now call it CE instead of AD
k0smon 1 year ago
How in hte world do you know that Jesus never existed?
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis
Because the stories , dates, etc don't match up. Also read my posts below - even biblical scholars admit it's all malarkey.
LoopQuantumGravity1 1 year ago
@1954phyllis Read "Oahspe" and " Antiquity Unveiled".
k0smon 1 year ago
@satansgirl661 Have a look on here at the "Davey Falcus" testimony video on here. He was a hardened gangland villain who had a supernatural experience in which is saw a vision of Jesus Christ and picking up a Bible one day and then praying.
BurntOakTree 1 year ago
@satansgirl661 Wrong a lot of good has come from Christianity, what about church run soup kitchens and night shelters for the homeless. And homeless hostels like the YMCA and St Mungos and Salvation Army hostels. Also there have been many changes in people from extremely bad to good. Look up "Davey Falcus" on here and watch his video of how he went from gangster to a good person after finding Christianity.
BurntOakTree 1 year ago
Jesus could have been a legend, based on a real person like Robin Hood. The story of Jesus could therefore contain some truth. People have to remember that before the Bible was written down it was told to people by word of mouth for many years.
BurntOakTree 1 year ago
of course no man ever walked the earth by the name of jesus or whatever name you give him, all of this christian stuff started with pltolomy 1 back in 300 b.c, this guy named soter/serapis , he started this christ image worship and then years later the roman church tried to convince people that the image was god,and there was people at that time that understood the origins of that christ back to serapis and didnt want to worship it,thats another reason islam poped up it was a new slavery waiting
mrblackaliens 1 year ago
well if you dont have a heart and dont believe in him then no one can froce you to belive it but thats what exactly it says in the bible many people will fall down of my way , satan is trying on everysingle person around the world to take you away from God so that he becomes stronger and you say he never existed? then who existed satan ???? how can you not belive it just wait up till the judgement dday then you will regret it
MiSScG4life 1 year ago
THUMBS UP THE PEOPLE THAT BELIVE IN JESUS AND LOVE HIM.!!!!!!!!
MiSScG4life 1 year ago
what the heck peopel u are chattin bullshit sorry for my bad language but u say in america you got lots of jesus and in the past, thats peopel that are antichrists. Jesus did exist he died for us on the cross and this wasnt a story made by humand catholic tyhat what the apsotles wrote when they went around the world and told the people about jesus then how are we on this world then? because god made us thats what it is saying in the bible many people will turn away from gods way like some of you
MiSScG4life 1 year ago
@PostITnoteGUY Sometimes it takes getting to the end of oneself before you finally look up. How can I show one love and forgiveness if I truley did not know what love was, love is a choice one makes toward another no matter what he she does not because he was good or bad so untel I experanced God's love I could finaly show it to the one hurt
keysdaddy2 1 year ago
@PostITnoteGUY I donnot deserve anything for I am a sinner, But God offers His love grace and mercy as a free gift just like a christmas pressent you acept that, why not His forgivness. I should suffer, but Jesus bore my sins on the cross for he loves us all "the free gift"
keysdaddy2 1 year ago
@PostITnoteGUY I did not commit the rape but yes on the violence.Romans 1: 22 Professing to be wise, they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man and birds and four footed animals and creeping things.Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love torward us,in that while we were still sinners,Christ died for us. I tell you as a warning out of love Jesus is the Way the Truth the Life
keysdaddy2 1 year ago
I think Jesus existed but he definitely didn't come here to get nailed to a cross, that is bullshit, the fact people would take kids to see a 33 year old man get brutally and savagely torn apart and crucified is quit frankly awful. Jesus probably tried to show us that we are all beings of light and that there are beings of light and beings of darkness in this world. Then knowing the truth they murdered him and called it all part of the 'plan'. Really, what plan, to get tortured to death?
tienen23 1 year ago
Oh, great! I love it!
I look forward to your next expose: Mohammed never eexisted!
Now, will you have the courage, the gall, the COJONES to do that?
Go public lwith it- write about it- do radio intgerviews on it.
Or did yuo just choose the weakest link- knowin g that christians won't ciut your throat?
But if you open your big mouth and say out loud "Mohammed never existed" the islamics will accept it, and be happy, and love you?
What say you?
EarthaKit2 1 year ago
Well before Jesus changed my life He did not mean much to me either but when I was being charged with rape and domestic violence awating my court date I was sitting in the woods and started looking around at the trees,somebody created this just like your computer then it dawned how much of a sinner I was I decided to submit to Gods will and ask Jesus's forgiveness of my sin's and a weight lifted off me I realized He loves me and you all more then we ever will know on earth He stands and knocks
keysdaddy2 1 year ago
Would we need theology, apology, religious establishments and priests if god existed? Those things in my view, is the clearest evidence for the nonexistance of all this bullshit. (excuse my French)
prakkari 1 year ago
There Jesus of the NT never existed, if he did I'd be a Christian. However there were lots of Jesus' back then. Heaps of Jesus' now... a lot of them live in South America :D (jk)
supercrevolution 1 year ago
WOW. Few videos are packed with as much error as this one. At no time in history until modern times as anyone, including people that have been hostile to Christianity and much to gain by stamping it out early on, has anyone believed such nonsense.
faithandpractice 1 year ago
i agree totally jesus was never a hystorical figure he was created by the roman catholic church.
neolia23 2 years ago 17
@neolia23
Well he may have been Julius Caesar. Google "Gospel of Caesar". Almost everything in Jesus' life has a parallel with the life of Julius Caesar, including a Crucifixion! -And Julius Caesar was called "Christ" before Jesus supposedly existed!
BoyintheMachine 1 year ago
@neolia23 Dr. Bart Ehrman a "secular" historian totally disagrees that Jesus never existed. He does state clearly that Jesus was nothing more than a well known holy man, NOT divine, and not a healer, etc. Please check out Dr Ehrman and other "historians".
mythicalhell 10 months ago
@mythicalhell E.A.Wallis Budge translation of, 'The Papyrus of Ani' (1500BCE comp O.T.800-300BCE ish), other great writings are by Donald A. Mackenzie,' Egyptian myth and legend', James G Frazer, 'The Golden Bough', For sceptical Bible scholars try Joseph Wheless, Robert Ingersoll, C.Dennis Mckinsey, Victor J Stenger, Robert M Price, Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Bart Ehrman, Gary Greenberg, Richard Carrier, David Mills, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon thanks, I'll checks some or maybe all of them out. :)
mythicalhell 5 months ago
@zytigon Ken Humphreys is full of horseshit. There are almost NO scholars and historians who agree with him. Plus Humphreys is a damn amature. He is NOT a real scholar. Also it IS interesting that the one scholar who does have a Phd in Christian origins, Robert Price, had Jesus Seminar leader Robert Miller, Phd on his show and Dr. Miller told Price the samething Ehrman holds as does John Dominic Crosson and most other liberal scholars, Jesus was a teacher and not divine. Price did not challenge
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 You've made some interesting points. Humphreys is examining the idea that Christ is total myth, in man on the street terms. I think his main point is that the 'Jesus', ministers fabricate never existed. Ken gives links to other interesting sites & authors eg Earl Doherty, 'The Jesus puzzle'. I've read Kens site many times, I admire his courage to question &break taboos, it amuses me. It is up to each individual to decide what scenario they think is most likely. Be your own detective
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon Earl Doherty is yet another amature and almost NO Phd level scholars take him seriously. Only Robert Price, Phd does that I've found. Yet when Price recently had Jesus Seminar scholar Robert Miller, Phd on his show, (see youtube video) Miller tells Price what the evidence shows concerning the historical Jesus. He was but a wandering preacher/teacher who considered himself the Messiah but not divine, not son of God and not virgin born. Here Price had the chance to challenge but DID NOT!!
boblackey1 5 months ago
@zytigon Also E.A. Wallis Budge was full of horseshit too. He is NOT considered a very careful and reliable scholar. I know with certainity. I've check him out with Egyptologists and he is a hack! There is almost NO chance that Jesus didn't exist and NO chance that Paul didn't exist. Indeed because Humphrey's is a fucking amature, he doen'st seem to be aware of the vast scholarly work done on Paul. Including those who doubt Paul was really a Jew but that DO accept that he existed, wrote 7letters
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 I think the main body of Budge's work is accepted as correct. The Egyptians dreamed up ideas about an afterlife & judgement by Osiris a thousand years before the Hebrews. How come the language & ideas on the 1500BCE Papyrus of Ani are so similar to Christian doctrine? How come Moses condemns neighbouring cultures that are no worse than the Hebrews? The Egyptians practised circumcision & abstenance from pork in pre Hebrew times. Paul talks of meeting Jesus but it was only thoughts.
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon When you follow amatures such as Earl Doherty, Acharya S. and Ken Humphreys, you will never discover what the evidence shows Jesus probably was historically. You have to go to REAL scholars such as Robert Miller, Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crosson, Burton L. Mack etc etc. The original Jesus movement (which had little Christian doctrine) began with John the Baptist THEN Jesus. When Jesus was crucified by Pilate, which his original followers were not expecting, his brother James took over.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@zytigon Paul claims to have meet Jesus in a spritural manner on the road to Damascus. Jesus had been crucified before Paul launched his own Jesus movement which differed greatly from the Jerusalem movement which then involved James and Peter. Paul admits he fought with them over doctrine. Paul also claims in Galatains that he when to Jerusalem and met Peter and he also met James whom Paul called "the brother of the Lord". So Paul met Jesus' brother in the flesh.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@zytigon Paul also claims to have met the apostle John and a couple of early second century Christians met John and heard him speak in the late first century. John claimed to have heard and met Jesus in the flesh. But Kenneth Humphrey's as well as Acharya S. advance the idea it is unlikely that Paul even existed too. Yet even the most skeptical secular scholars grant SEVEN of the NT letters attributed to Paul AS FROM PAUL!! This is the kind of horseshit you get dealing with amatures such as Ken.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 I agree with you that people should read everything or a cross section or works. See where they agree & disagree. I don't advize people to accept everything that Humphreys writes. He is trying to think down the path of Jesus & Paul being total myth to see if it can fit. I liked exploring that option & knowing it. I tend to agree with Ehrman that perhaps there was a human Jesus. He may well have accepted what Pharisees told him about h. &hell. I think he was mistaken about that.
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon Well writers such as Humphreys, Doherty and Acharya S dislike Christianity and really want religion in general to "go away". Acharya S. takes pride that her work "Is a bridge to atheism". So they are amatures and motivated by a bitterness toward Christianity and want to knock it over, thus go for the throat and posit that Jesus never existed. But that is not the way scholarship should work. It should not have an agenda other than critical investigation.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 It's true that scholarship should be neutral. But is it ever ? The paymaster calls the tune . Look at Ehrmans proposition. There was a human Jesus who had apocalyptic delusions, he thought he could teach better than officialdom. He thought that he could be a human sacrifice to save people from hell. He drew a crowd & irritated the rulers too much by insulting them, so they killed him. End of Jesus. People mistook their dreams & notions as messages from God. Legend & myth grew up.
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon I an angostic about religion and a creator. But to me, the works of many critical scholars such as Ehrman demonstrate NO DOUBT that Jesus did exist. The work of Loisy showing years ago how the gospels were written in layers with the oldest layers presenting a Jesus who preached the "Kingdom of God is at hand" and was not divine or virgin born with other parts interpolations and redactions. The "Q" source document, Josephus, Tacitus etc provide clear support that Jesus DID exist as a man
boblackey1 5 months ago
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@zytigon I an angostic about religion and a creator. But to me, the works of many critical scholars such as Ehrman demonstrate NO DOUBT that Jesus did exist. The work of Loisy showing years ago how the gospels were written in layers with the oldest layers presenting a Jesus who preached the "Kingdom of God is at hand" and was not divine or virgin born with other parts interpolations and redactions. The "Q" source document, Josephus, Tacitus etc provide clear support that Jesus DID exist as a man
boblackey1 5 months ago
@zytigon Check out the website wwwdotjosephusdotorg for several pages that demonstrate to me that Josephus' famous TF passage DOES contain some "interpolations" but the passage as it reads in the oldest manuscripts which date only to the 10th century, is NOT the original. BUT!! The original by Josephus does confirm that Jesus existed and was crucified by Pontius Pilate. Tacitus in 110 AD reports that Christos was the origin of the name Christian and he was crucified by Pilate.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 I definitely don't take the whole story about what Jesus did & said to be the truth. I think probably the writers of the Bible wrote historical fiction. Yes maybe there was a human Jesus. But they ascribed to him a whole load of sayings & acts that he maybe never did. Lots of folk had a shot at putting words into his mouth. I've heard a Christian Bible scholar say that he wouldn't teach from John 8v1-11 as it's probably forgery but to me that is one of the most ethical Bible bits.
zytigon 5 months ago
@boblackey1 I definitely don't take the whole story about what Jesus did & said to be the truth. I think probably the writers of the Bible wrote historical fiction. Yes maybe there was a human Jesus. But they ascribed to him a whole load of sayings & acts that he maybe never did. Lots of folk had a shot at putting words into his mouth. I've heard a Christian Bible scholar say that he wouldn't teach from John 8v1-11 as it's probably forgery but to me that is one of the most ethical Bible bits.
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon Yes the story in John's gospel about the woman caught in adultery and Jesus saying to those who wanted her stoned to death under Jewish law "Those among you without sin cast the first stone", is a wonderful story of forgiveness and a sharp reminder that ALL of us fall short of the 10 commandments, even those who are religious. But it is true that the oldest copies of John's gospel do not contain the story. And copies a bit younger have the story, but it's in the margin or brackets.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 ' Fall short of 10 commandments ' is meaningless religious speak. Have a look at Gary Greenberg, ' 101 myths of the Bible ' in which he points out there are over 3 versions of 10 Cs. The only set called 10Cs is Ex34 where 10th is 'Do not boil goat in its mothers milk' or see Hitchens Youtube lecture on 10Cs. Bible rules are a distraction. Current law of your country is the relevant ones to watch not to break. U.K 2011 are law is superior to Bible laws.
zytigon 5 months ago
@boblackey1 ' Fall short of 10 commandments ' is meaningless religious speak. Have a look at Gary Greenberg, ' 101 myths of the Bible ' in which he points out there are over 3 versions of 10 Cs. The only set called 10Cs is Ex34 where 10th is 'Do not boil goat in its mothers milk' or see Hitchens Youtube lecture on 10Cs. Bible rules are a distraction. Current law of your country is the relevant ones to watch not to break. U.K 2011 are law is superior to Bible laws.
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon In an epistle attributed to John (most liberal scholars say we don't know who actually wrote it) the commandments of God means "believe in the name of Jesus Christ and love one another". Nothing about adultery or keeping the Sabbath holy. My mention of the 10 commandments had to do with Jesus dealing with the Jewish leaders who want to stone to death the woman caught in adultery and Jesus points out to them they are not keeping them perfectly either. None of us measure up that standard.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 If you have lived within your country's laws then you've done well. But within that, most decisions are a trade off between conflicting priorities. For you body- excercise for the good of your flesh- muscles, circulatory is healthy but too much can wear skeleton. Balance between too little & too much. Watch not to work too hard physically or you could end up shortening your lifespan. Health & memory & job skills & staying in legal employment is a key to keeping out of trouble
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon I have some of Ehrman's books..I will have to read them again as I'm not sure Ehrman thinks that Jesus thought his death would save people from hell. Many of the liberal/skeptical scholars hold that Jesus was first a follower of John the Baptist who was killed and Jesus took over that movement probably called "The Nazarenes" in Jerusalem. His brother James and Peter and John were part of it. Jesus probably thought of himself as the Messiah but not divine & without supernatural power.
boblackey1 5 months ago
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@zytigon I have some of Ehrman's books..I will have to read them again as I'm not sure Ehrman thinks that Jesus thought his death would save people from hell. Many of the liberal/skeptical scholars hold that Jesus was first a follower of John the Baptist who was killed and Jesus took over that movement probably called "The Nazarenes" in Jerusalem. His brother James and Peter and John were part of it. Jesus probably thought of himself as the Messiah but not divine & without supernatural power.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@zytigon Also these scholars I'm talking about hold that his earliest followers and Jesus himself were not expecting Jesus to be executed. That came as a surprise and after his death, they had to explain it. But they also hold that much of today's doctrine in Christianity comes from the theology of Paul and it is very different than the teachings of the original Jesus movement. And they hold it is NOT likely that Paul's theology included the virgin birth. That doctrine came post Paul.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 If the Aztecs had written stuff, their manual would say, "We offered the human sacrifice to appease the gods so they may spare us from the volcano or famine" They had a hypothesis about what was going on, the person dies and things will be better than they would be if we did nothing. Often the victim had consented thinking they were playing a glorious part in saving society. They were all mistaken about a link or god. How could they not recognise no good was coming from sacrifices?
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon Yes I agree with that. But you have to remember that we are dealing with people who lived thousands of years ago. Even most educated people then thought the earth was flat, the sky was made of metal, the stars were holes letting the light of heaven through, that evil spirits were all around us.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@zytigon To me, it seems almost, if not completely, certain that Jesus WAS crucified by Pontius Pilate about 30 AD. Tacitus in that passage calls the Christian religion "an evil superstition which was eleminated for awhile but broke out again and spread all the way to Rome". That seems more like what Tacitus knew from either offical records or his education or what he had heard all his life rather than Christian hearsay. Of course we don't know with certainity how Tacitus knew that.
boblackey1 5 months ago
I have written a couple of Egyptologists and spoken with another on the phone and Budge's work is considered as unreliable by many Egyptologists working today. According to Dr. Mack in "Who Wrote the New Testament, the making of the Christian Myth", the original Jesus movement had nothing to do with Egyptian gods and doctrine. Paul meets Jesus brother, Peter and John, yet never mentions the virgin birth in his letters!?. Why? Paul probably never heard of such a doctrine.
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 The British museum put the Papyrus of Ani on display early in 2011 & I have a copy of the accompanying book "Journey through the afterlife, Ancient Egyptian book of the dead " Editied by John H. Taylor. P289 -291 This translation is by R.O.Faulkner. The gist is that the priests considered their texts to be magic spells to get to the land of the living. How is that different to how religion considers Holy Writ today ? A question raised by J.G. Frazer in 'The Golden Bough'?
zytigon 5 months ago
@zytigon Dr. Maccoby, a Jewish scholar, has studied Paul extensively and doubts Paul told the truth about being a Jew! And Dr. Maccoby finds it was PAUL who borrowed ideas from the mystic religions for his Jesus movement and the original Jesus movement did not. The Christianity of today received more of it's doctrine from Paul than the Jerusalem movement. And doctrine such as the virgin birth, Sunday rather than the Sabbath, December 25th etc etc were added well AFTER Paul's time on earth.
boblackey1 5 months ago
your head gets shiny and shinier as the years go by.......
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