what an idiot, a book written in a script with no comma, no vowels and no paragraphs is having perfect surrahs :)
and on top of that, when you lost the football match you just said you never challenged the other team it was meant for somalians who dont play football at all, what a lame excuse.
ofcourse if i throw a challenge of making a play like shakespear on somalians they wont respond, but if i throw the same on americans? your thought has no logic, its pure bullshit.
what an utterly chutiya justification.This is what they call "logical approach to Islam"gosh! Dr khalid zaheer's ridiculous clarification of the "surah like it" challenge can convince only simple minded religious people.The fact is that the "surah like it" challenge was just a rhetoric.It has no logic in it coz logically it is an irrefutable assertion thus meaningless.
@Deen354 what part of this are nt you getting ? the wotrks of doctor moore and all the other embryologists go against what the koran says and no where does it say that life comes from a clot as a matter of fact when the word clot is used it usually means the death of the fetus and dont you think some like the formation of the bone before the flesh would be mentioned ? but it does not say that at all in any way ,, as matter of FACT it shows the entire first tri mester to be bone free
@Deen354 i comprehend what i read ,that means i under stand what i read and its very clear and ill give you a hint see if it says the bones form before the flesh , thats what you want to be looking for and it doesnt say that so to answer you i understand what his book says enough to know for a fact with out a doubt that the bones do not form before the flesh , and that no clot has ever came to life good night deen ill talk tommorrow that will gave you time to look up NUN
@lesterclaypool1 still waiting for my 2 letter or 3 letter word.
if you type anymore than that in response to my question,you really have no interest in having an itelligent debate,its apperent cuz when i ask a simple yes or no question you refuse to answer it cuz in your answer ur level of intelligence will become apparent and ur denial will be seen by everyone.If i a m lying answer my question.
do you know his book better than he does.Yes or no?
@Deen354 you idiot ,,, how many time must you be told the same thing ? just read the answer ,,, 8 ] ,,, so is the earth pushed into the back of a whale ? yes or no
@lesterclaypool1 do be like paul and try to decieve me,you havent given me a yes or no yet but now u attempt to change the subject.y?is that what paul taught u?or did jesus teach u that?
@Deen354 as i have said over and over ,,, and this will be the last time ,,,, i see why you have no friends ,, and you have just lost this one ,,, badgering a person who has answered you repaeted ly does amek the answer change unfortunatly you dont see this and think the answer will change ,,, so im verging on blocking you and leaving you in this darkness the stew in your stupidity , its not a simple yes or no ,,, ask again and i will end our conversion
@Deen354 thats because our to stupid to read the answer ,,,, and your not bullying me at all ,,, you are a moron ,,, so that whale ? you know the one muhammad said the earth is on ? what you just ignire that ? and the buraq ? and heres a good one the wings of a fly,,, they hold both the cures and illnesses for every thing ? how about the flying carpets mentioned n the koran ? ya ok looser
@lesterclaypool1 see how u abrubtly try to change subject in light of the truth.
you have the tendancies of a coward in denial.
Dont come on my page wanting to comment things but then block me on ur page becuz u cant stand the truth,then come here and try to change the subject weve been debating on 4 50 pages and 2 weeks because truth hurts so much.
your credibilaty is shot,you cant be like a typical christian and run away from and block the truth all ur life.
@Deen354 i changed nothing,,, it was your own cut and paste from the doctors note that blew your koran apart ,,, and no where at all in any of his works or any one elses does it say life starts as a clot or the bone form before flesh does it ? does it ? ,,, well does it you wont be finding that in any medical manual on this planet .. so after you disproved the koran i changed subject which you cant and wont address ,,, like the buraq , the whale , ect ect and im all for the truth !
@Deen354 actually here you go again show me where ,,, where i said god prays to any one ,,, jesus showed us how to pray and i dont believe as i have said over and over again that you wont a verses that sayd god prayed to any one ,,, but on the other hand the koran does say the angels prayed to adam ,,, why ? uhm? seems like the words of the koran have beaten you again ,,, you just dont know enough to debate ,, you dont even know your koran ,,, you havent read it have you ?
By the end of the 3rd week, the paraxial mesoderm divides into paired bodies called somites, located bilaterally of the neural tube (p. 64, fig. 4-10).
The somites give rise to the axial SKELETON (vertebrae, ribs), associated musculature and adjacent dermis of skin.
The first pair of somites develop a short distance posterior to the cranial end of the notochord, and the rest of the somites form caudally.
you pasted the doctors words , you are the one who showed what he actually said ,,, you are the one who denied the truth , i guess what it blew up in your face it fucking fact ,dont the truth dont care it remains and your bull shit koran is wrong ,, now go cry about that to your imama,, bwaaa ha ha ha what you want more ? ,,, want another debate ?, how about the world beening oushed into the back of a whale ? or tell me what does camel urine cure HA HA HA or how about flting carpets?
@lesterclaypool1 i posted what the doctor said and then who was the one who said he must mistaken or paid or blah blah blah.lol denial is a sickness deep within ur heart.u come post the same stuff u post else where to try and change subject.a pathetic tactic,u never answer me where does it say that whale stuff in the quran?nor did u answer my question on how many embryologist do i need to bring before u finally realize u hate the truth.
wat r u goin to say,thats wat ur translation says?lol
@Deen354 no your are lting because the doctor clearly mentions the time in weeks when the bones appear ,,, and thats after the flesh is there weeks after and what no BONES ! he also never mentions the CLOT no life comes from a clot zero zip zilch NO LIFE ,,, your koran is WRONG and i dont care if you like it or not ,, and i was changing subject because you lost this debate ,,, bring the embryologists that say bones appear before flesh or life starts as a clot ,,, do it
@lesterclaypool1 like i said,the doctor agrees with the quran,i showed u his quote,and now r u saying im lying or r u saying he doesnt agree with the quran?
@Deen354 Upper limb buds become recognizable during week 4 (day 26 or 27) and the lower limb buds become present by the end of week 4 (day 28; p. 84, fig. 5.12). The patterning of the limb development is regulated by Homeobox-containing (Hox) genes.
The upper limb buds appear low on the embryo DUE TO the dominant development of the head and neck.
The upper limb buds form opposite the caudal cervical segments and lower limb buds form opposite the lumbar and upper sacral segments
It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God or Allah". notice dr moore never said that the statements where scientific , he took the cash and went home
clearly islam just copied already know sientific facts from 1000 years before islam was invented
by the way islam/the quran also contains many errors but muslim will never ever say its true and the just try to bend the words and tell you that you need the quran in arabic like iff most 99.8 % off the muslims suddenly can read ancient arabic LOL
The first evidence of knowledge about embryos goes back to ancient Sanskrit and Egyptian hieroglyphics. Sarasvati, Indian Goddess of KnowledgePlato (427-347 B.C.) introduced the concept of “souls” in his studies of development. The vegetative soul brings about life (plants stop here).
The sensitive soul enables sensations (giving rise to animals). The spiritual soul enables thinking (unique to humans).Aristotle (384-322 B.C.) was the first person to conduct systematic observations of embryos. He recorded different stages in the development of chick embryos. He also recognized that there are multiple ways that organisms reproduce.
this is the evidence that islam wassent the first one who talk about of embryology
so it cant be a miracle or whatever muslim try to claim
The quran just simply copied those so called miracles from already know facts from sience doctors ect
History like below shows us that islam is just a scam and all the so called miracles in the quran are invented by sientist,doctors ect way before islam was invented
islam just copied and sometimes translated into wrong translations
The first evidence of knowledge about embryos goes back to ancient Sanskrit and Egyptian hieroglyphics. Sarasvati, Indian Goddess of KnowledgePlato (427-347 B.C.) introduced the concept of “souls” in his studies of development. The vegetative soul brings about life (plants stop here).
@Deen354 and what did he say ? uhm i like what he says it exactly what i said step by step ,,,, but if you read the koran the orders not quite right is it ? and the descriptions totally out of context with reality and that is the fact ,,,, thank you dr moore
@Deen354 dr gave i indepth look at pregnacy in his book and that disagrees with what the koran says ,,,, and dr maurice came out and said he felt pressured at that meeting ,,, so on the spot i dont think he really care what he said ,,, because in his book it proves the koran WRONG doesnt it ? yes it does as you showed us
@lacossanostra At a conference he presented a research paper and stated:
“It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah.”
“…Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur’an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.
@lacossanostra The intensive studies of the Qur’an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D… the descriptions in the Qur’an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century…”
but he is wrong right,cuz u know better than him rite?
The sensitive soul enables sensations (giving rise to animals). The spiritual soul enables thinking (unique to humans).Aristotle (384-322 B.C.) was the first person to conduct systematic observations of embryos. He recorded different stages in the development of chick embryos. He also recognized that there are multiple ways that organisms reproduce.
so according to dr moores own writtings ,,, have just shown that the flesh is before there is any bones ,,,, thank you very much now read the rest ,,, it gets very interesting ,,,, oh but you goofed up
@lesterclaypool1 Towards the end of the 3rd week proceeding into the 5th week, cubodial bodies appear on the embryonic mesoderm resembling blocks. The term “mudghah” has been used to describe this stage in the Qur’ān:
@lesterclaypool1 The second word is “lahm” meaning intact flesh. Maurice Bucaille explains this distinction stating that the bone structure DEVELOPS INSIDE the MUGHDAH called mesencheyma. The bones that are later formed are covered, but this time with “Lahm”, intact flesh. In fact this can also be seen as referring to the muscular system
have you read this ? it supports my claims exactly .... and no where have i read yet that the bone form before the flesh ,,,, this is exactly what im saying ,, to a TEE ,, as a matter of fact i will use DR Moores note in future debates ,,, this is better than i thought , its perfect you need to read this ,,, just like i said the bone do not form before the flesh ,,,,
@lesterclaypool1 By the end of the 3rd week, the paraxial mesoderm divides into paired bodies called somites, located bilaterally of the neural tube (p. 64, fig. 4-10).
The somites give rise to the axial SKELETON (vertebrae, ribs), associated musculature and adjacent dermis of skin.
The first pair of somites develop a short distance posterior to the cranial end of the notochord, and the rest of the somites form caudally.
@Deen354 yes but that doesnt say the bones form first ,,, bnice cut and paste ,,, but you see there what it says,,[ associated with the MUSCLULATURE ,AND DERMUS OF SKIN ,, which means there is muscle there does nt it ? yes it does ,, oh and we both know that somite appear before bones right ? i explained that already ,,, so if theres flesh before the somites whats that tell you ,,, thats theres flesh before the somite ,, which is before the bones right ,,,, THANK YOU
@Deen354 no they got it bang on read it read it ,,, but ni where NO WHERE does it say leech ,,,, clot ,,, bones before flesh ,,, ,,, SO SHOW ME ANY WHERE IN ANY MEDICAL MANUAL THAT SAYS THEBONES APPEAR BEFORE THE FLESH ,,,, THE KORAN SAYS SO and thats what your trying to defend ,,, oh and i asked you where in dr moores book does it say the bone are formed before the flesh ,,, actually his book says exactly what i have read and told you ,,, and the bone are after there is flesh not before
@Deen354 so now what ? who right ? the koran or what we have proven ? i think it very very clear the fetal growth process dont you theres no clot , the bones arent just waiting to clothed with flesh , your reproductive organs are not between your back bones and ribs , they are well below your hips centered at the pubic bone ,so the truth ? you really thought the bones ormed before the flesh ? and that we were just clots that got lucky ? and really dude what about galens works ?
i just proved that your quran copied already know facts about embryology
The first evidence of knowledge about embryos goes back to ancient Sanskrit and Egyptian hieroglyphics. Sarasvati, Indian Goddess of KnowledgePlato (427-347 B.C.)
@Deen354 no but if you take a real look at the doctors that are agreeing with what im saying ,,,, and the facts are the facts ,,, i gave them to you straight from the top right of the shelf and some of what i pasted where dr moores words and works and fought it tooth and nail , and the koran order and its description are WRONG , and thats the facts just because moore says one thing then goes into detail showing different thats not my problem you even paisted what i was saying
@Deen354 ha ha ha ha ya nice ,,, you such a loser and your funny ,, the very source that you called upon the only dr i know of who says such a thing totallt disproves it in his own book ,,,, maybe he tring to teach you some thing ,,, maybe hes trying to make islam understand and look at the truth ,,, but if got a list ya ill take a look because there are litteraly thousands of doctor that disaree with dr moore on the koran and i have more
@Deen354 i dont disagree with the experts at all i agree with them it them that say what i have said ,,,, read it your self the bones do not form before the flesh [skin , muscle , conective tissues hearts ect ect ] and no life comes from a clot ,,, get it ? you should by now ,,, you must have read wehat the experts said and they dont say clot CLOT ,,, they dont say the bnes form first or before flesh ,,, you read it ,, you pasted it ,,, you must have noticed ,want me to point it out ?
@lesterclaypool1 yea u r right,the very source i gave you disagrees totally with the quran,thats why the author of the book said the quran is right.lol
@Deen354 no the author took the money ,,he was well paid for this ,,, then he went home and wrote the truth ,,,, just like maurice ,,, only maurice came out and told the truth publicly ,,,, and those are the FACTS ,,,, get it the author lied to get paid ,,, you can read all about just google it
@lesterclaypool1 lol o ok,so now he only agrees with the quran cuz of money right???loll
like i said,would you like more embryologist who studied embryos and the quran and see what they have to say,since now according to u dr.moore isnt a credible source(lol)?
@Deen354 ok bring it lets see one embryologist who agrees with the koran and says the bones are formed first , or life starts as a clot ,,,, when we started this you didnt even know what surahs said this ,,, you dont even know your koran ,,, and here you are learning ,,, at least your beening force to learn and thats a great thing because you will learn the lies that make the koran ,,, i will also teach you about the false prophet who killed, stole, raided, took slaves , and lied ,
@lesterclaypool1 dont star lying after u come bac after a week,and dont start making false assumptions,no body came to help u cuz they probably see how retarded ur argument is,and how u run from truth and logic(last post was a week ago).
now tell me,how many embryologist do u need so that u can finally stop denying the truth?
@Deen354 bull shit no one has come to your rescuse because you dont know your koran or the cant face the FACTS even you posted the word of the good doctor and he blew apart your koran , come smart guy show me in any fucking edical book in the entire world that syas we start as a clot , and i have no troubles with the truth it is you who doesnt know what truth you lied several times and have lost this debate hands down ,we do not start as a clot and the bones dont form first !
@Deen354 notice how no body has came here and interupted us or gave you aid ? why do you think that is ? could it be because you were loosing aso badly ? could it be because everything i listed is the latest and most up to date truth ? ,,,, well yes it is ,,, but wait it still goes totally agaist the koran ,,, and verified 100% truth look it up see with your own eyes hows a fetus forms ,,, not like the trash and lies of your koran ,,, your koran failed
@Deen354 i used only the works that all agree and they his works too and they all agree and the koran differs ,,, dont like it to bad ,,,, not my words the words of the experts not the words of the koran at all
A cavity, the mycocoele, forms within each somite but disappears.
Each somite becomes differentiated into ventromedial sclerotome (for vertebrae and ribs), myotome (muscles) and dermatome (skin; p. 340, fig. 14-1).
At the beginning of the 4th week, the somites (4) are well formed and the neural tube is also formed but it is opened at the rostral and caudal neuropores (p. 81, fig. 5.8).
@Deen354 ya but where does it say the bone form first this does nt ,,, it says Each somite becomes differentiated into ventromedial sclerotome (for vertebrae and ribs), myotome (muscles) and dermatome (skin; p. 340, fig. 14-1).
At the beginning of the 4th week, the somites (4) are well formed and the neural tube is also formed but it is opened at the rostral and caudal neuropores (p. 81, fig. 5.8).
and that doesnt say what you think it does ,so where dose it say the bones form first
@lesterclaypool1 Upper limb buds become recognizable during week 4 (day 26 or 27) and the lower limb buds become present by the end of week 4 (day 28; p. 84, fig. 5.12). The patterning of the limb development is regulated by Homeobox-containing (Hox) genes.
The upper limb buds appear low on the embryo DUE TO the dominant development of the head and neck.
The upper limb buds form opposite the caudal cervical segments and lower limb buds form opposite the lumbar and upper sacral segments
@Deen354 so where it say the bones form first ????????? because so far it verifies they dont ,,,, and it verifies what i have been saying all along ,,, so show me where it say the bone form first please
@Deen354 well galem wrote the same thing 1800 year before the koran was even thought of ,,,, look up galen , shit fool even galens drawing are used on islamic website in the description of the leech ,,, open your eyes face facts ,,, like it or not the koran is wrong on this one ,,, and it was written as well before this ,,,, now are you done with this ? want to move on ? because theres a few questions i have for you about the koran
@Deen354 tell me your right are the bone formed first and is the koran right about this ? im agreeing with the experts ,,, i even used his own words to prove and agree with ,,, it is you who is saying the koran is right,, and well even you cut and paste the very words the go against your koran you are the one who proved me correct ,,, your the one who cut and paste the word that drmoors said which are what i have said but thats not what your koran says
Author and editor of over 20 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. Co-author of The Developing Human (5th Edition, with Keith L. Moore). He received the J.C.B. Grant Award in 1991. Professor Peraud presented several research papers.
“It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn’t read, didn’t know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate…
@lesterclaypool1 We’re talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature…
I personally can’t see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements.”
Consider that word khalaqnaa ("we created/formed") appears in three times in Soorat al-Moominoon 23:14: (1) khalaqnaa al-nutfata alaqatan - "we formed the nutfa into an alaqa"; (2) khalaqnaa al-alaqata mudghatan - "we formed the alaqa into a mudgha"; (3) khalaqnaa al-mudghata izhaaman - "we formed the mudgha into bones." So the question that needs to be asked is how one properly interprets the logical structure khalaqnaa X,Y.
When we reach izhaam we find another problematic part of the verse. Consider that the text reads: khalaqnaa al-mudghata izhaaman, fa-kasawnaa al-izhaaman laHman. First note that khalaqnaa is past tense, and the pre-fix fa means "then." So the verse reads: "we formed the morsel into bones, then we clothed the bones with flesh." Thus, it implies bone forms before soft tissue, which is a blatant error, not to mention one that parallels Galen.
so how is three months of devleopment of flesh the bone first ? how are the bones before this ? duuuuuuuhhhhh so explain how your going to twist this ? you relise that at this point the fetus has a head ? its not a lump as a matter of fact its visable to the nake eye easily at about three to four inches it has a heart , and the bones are stating to from a wonderful thing growing
@lesterclaypool1 so how is three months of devleopment of flesh the bone first ? how are the bones before this ?
yup the little lump(of flesh) was there before bones,as the quran says,as far as bones not being present before three months,ull havta take that up with embryologist.
its not a lump as a matter of fact its visable to the nake eye easily at about three to four inches
the koran says that the bone of a clot form before then are covered with flesh ,,,, well thats not the truth at all in any way ,,, tha word of allah are WRONG dont like it dont care the truth remains !
you who deen345 read this is what the koran means ? well is it ? Ectopic means "out of place." In an ectopic pregnancy, a fertilized egg has implanted outside the uterus. The egg settles in the fallopian tubes more than 95% of the time. This is why ectopic pregnancies are commonly called "tubal pregnancies." The egg can also implant in the ovary, abdomen, or the cervix, so you may see these referred to as cervical or abdominal pregnancies.
None of these areas has as much space or nurturing tissue as a uterus for a pregnancy to develop. As the fetus grows, it will eventually burst the organ that contains it. This can cause severe bleeding and endanger the mother's life. A classical ectopic pregnancy never develops into a live birth.
but it still would have been funny to watch you lie for days and say u never said that,but then ud take the fun rite out of when when youd say i was mistaken for saying it gets diagnosed as a clot i change my answer now.But Mashaallah
so your saying that a fluid from between the back bones and ribs ,,, is how the process starts ? thats not the truth ,,,, so your saying we start as a clot thats not true ,,,, and guess what the bones do not form first ,,,, all of these are lies ,,, weather your saying it or the koran ,,, like it or not the koran is wrong get it ? AGAIN FOR THE LAST TIME WE DO NOT START AS A CLOT ,, THE BONES DO NOT FORM FIRST ! and this is what your koran says
@lesterclaypool1 yea yea what ever,there is no point proving this now is it,even if i bring scientific information to prove that u r jus ignorant and just choose the side thats in opposition of Quran you wont believe me anyway now would u.And if you say something that agrees with what im telling u ull jus deny it for a week and then finally say that u made a mistake.y argue with a person like u?i told u,tell ur frends u won ,u have bragging rites if thats wat u seek,i no longer care
@lesterclaypool1 say im running or cant handle the truth,but me and you both know when the truth manifeses thats wen u change wat u say so u can be in oppostion to it,doubt that? read how many times i asked u a simple yes or no question and read how many times u lied and then read wen u finally couldnt say u didnt say it any longer becuz proof was brought read ur response then
@Deen354 look i dont give a flying @#$!5z* the koran does not say blastula does it ? it says alaqa and what that mean ? CLOT so is the koran right ? NO ,, weither im right or wrong has no bering on the wording of the koran weither i make a mistake or not does not change the wording in the koran and it is wrong ,,, wrong wording wrong meaning ... get it ? the koran did not use the correct terms at all in any shape or form ,,, inmedical terms or street terms it is wrong !
@lesterclaypool1 ok so if i call you a mammal instead of a human im wrong rite,according to ur theory.
my point being alaq is translated into many english words,clot being one and blastula(as u said) being another,leech like and blood clot or others.So because ur translation uses one of these terms and not what scientist say it has to be false.because it doesnt go into scientific detail and gives u a general term to refer to ur development it has to be false right?
@Deen354 no i didnt say that did i ? and thats not my [theory ] and your point is a terrible deffence you would make a losing lawyer apperntly alaqa can mean what ever you wish it to mean but acording to arabic dictionarys it means clot personally i dont care if you like it or not thats what the word means and as i have said before many many times thats not how we start , and this is not my translation even yusuf ali used clot ,, why because thats the first meaning ,,
@Deen354 mucsle is made out of flesh but the koran does not distinguish between them it says flesh does nt it ? WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ? read paste it here WHAT DOES IT SAY ? and when it devolps in the womb iit is aovum like it or not it is alive ,,, not just a clot living cells ,,, tell me where it says blastula is a clot ,,, tell me blastula is a group of living cells usually 128 that cleve into 2 or more groups ,,, so whats the koran say tell me WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ?
ok for the record ,,, alaqa is not the same as blastula it is not the same as ganin ,,,, alaqa means clot and we all know that no life starts as a clot ,,, no life
@Deen354 im saying if you read the medical manuals and still believe that life starts as a clot then you dont comprehend what you read , if you think the bone form first then you really dont comprehend what you read and if you think the reproductive organs are above the hips or that a fluid from between the back bones and ribs as the koran says then you are unfortunitly stupid ,and if i said that blastula and alaqa are the same than it would be a mistake!
@lesterclaypool1 of coarse its a mistake now,thats wat happens when the truth manifeses,u back track and say mistakes are made,and thats y i call you a waste of time,someone who says the truth and then denys it wen it goes along with the Quran has no intention of learning,jus argueing for arguments sake.i dont have time for ignorance,my advice would be to chnage ur answers wen the truth is in front of ur face.had u known id say u said alaq was blastula u wuld have lied and not answered
@Deen354 your a idiot ! ,,,, a mistake is a mistake ,,, the word blastula is greek and did not appear in the koran ,,, and the truth is not whats found in the koran you are a waste of time and arguing facts against your koran ,,, and the facts win no life starts as a clot get through your head ,,, and the bones do not DO NOT FORM FIRST ! like it or not your koran is WRONG ,, wrong wording wrong meanings my advice to you is go to school and learn the truth !
@lesterclaypool1 well the embryologist i believe say they know first hand that cartilage models form fisrt and then muscle grow on top of them shortly after,of coarse ull disagree with them becuz it proves the quran true.Of coarse ull say alaq doesnt mean blastula anymore or that blastula isnt in the quran(a blastula is a sticky lump of cells with fluid exactly like a clot but of coarse u hold this untrue) becuz u dont want the truth in quran.u would hate that
@Deen354 ya well the koran does not say muscle it says flesh ! and you your self looked up arm bud right ? ,,,,, blastula is a greek term ,, and today means cleving of the cells and happens at 128 cells generaly not a clot ,,, what does the koran say does it say blastula ? NO ,,,,it does not does it ? does the koran actually say this greek word ? NO it did not !
@Deen354 does it say muscle ? NO the koran says flesh argue with the korans wording ,,, because it says flesh ! you changed it to muscle ,,, those are your words and even then the bones dont form before the muscle or flesh ,,,, you dont understand what you read do you ? read the words then understand theri meaning dont just change it to your liking ,,, the koran says the bones are then clothed with flesh ,,,, give the surah that says muscle please ,,, i cant find it
@lesterclaypool1 in fact,an ectopic pregnancy usually gets diagnosed as a blood clot until further testing,well most of the time any way,but of coarse ull deny that too becuz it shows that if the ovum develops outside the womb it gets mistaken as a clot.But of coarse the doctors are lying or my information is wrong simply becuz ur heart chooses not to believe that fact.And even if u say ectopic pregnancies are not diagnosed as a clot everytime so what most of the time it is,until further testing
@Deen354 even if u didnt know this ull still deny it and say its wrong becuz if u agree it just proves my point,and we cant have that now can we.im thinking if i should have had u look up ectopic pregnancies first and asked what it usually gets diagnosed as,but i remember even if u say it gets diagnosed as a clot youd call that a mistake becuz u cant have ur own words proving the quran true now can u?o no u must deny deny deny at all cost.thats y ud deny this fact i just mentioned.but its ok
@Deen354 your point is mute first your changing the wording of the koran it does not say blastula does it ? NO it does not say muscle does it ? NO it does not say ovum or fetus does it ? NO so what does it say ? clot ... flesh ,,, and like it or not you are wrong and your changing the wording of the surahs ,,, so what that tell us ? your changing the meaning but dont worry i wont let you do that ,,, lol
@Deen354 your to stupid to see or understand the answers and to lazy to look it up ,,, yes and that diagnoses is wrong why ? figure it out ,,, if you can think for once ,,, and the koran does not say muscle it says flesh ! you should read what you written ,,, now go read a book and learn some thing , for goodness sakes LEARN ,,, you compare things that are not even close grasping for any thing ,, and falling short big time !!!!!!!!!!!!
@lesterclaypool1 maybe its says muscle instead of flesh for disbelievers like you to would hav a reason to reject it.flesh and muscle are the same thing u can use either.
as far as the clot,thats the whole point,u were a lump of cells with fluid and BEHOLD! now u r doubting your Lord.
yup ectopic pregnancies USUALLY die,but my point being they are almost always diagnosed as a clot,but ur little brain cant understand why
@Deen354 you dont know the difference ? they devolop different they have differennt jobs , hear let me help you meat you eat ,,, flesh is all over you except for toe and finger nails hair ect ect and mucsle actually has a hydrulic abilities ,,, moron
@Deen354 your an idiot ! is that what i said NO ! your to stupid to understand ,,, but i am glad you did leave all this wreckage for every one to read ,,, stupid waste of time you debate like a child who can read or under stand
@lesterclaypool1 and yes i do hope readers read this,so they can decide for themselves who uses logic and facts and who uses baseless whims and desires.
who is the child who cant read or understand now?
and yes u r right u r a waste of time because u r one who believes flesh and meat and muscle or different.lmao
or you can be humble and admit u r mistaken,so we can move on to other issues,which i will gladly help u understand if ur arrogance is put to the side
@Deen354 is that what i said NO ! your to stupid to understand but i am glad you did leave all this wreckage for every one to read ,stupid waste of time you debate like a child who cant read or under stand trust me read these comments you cant answer question and dont know your own koran ,, it says flesh , and as i have proven the bones do not appear before the bone go watch fetal development video you can see this your self ,,, the koran is wrong and you cant change that!
@Deen354 excellent you what i said is truth muscle fat and flesh are all different but still flesh ,, but as you said earler in the comment the flesh takes longer to develop , while the bones are formed before the muscle the flesh that soround them is formed first ,,, and yes you eat meat but thats still a different version of flesh and fat is also flesh but different agaim is store nutrients for later useage ,, and the koran says the bones form first but we both know thats not right
@lesterclaypool1 see how variously u reject the truth.you say they are different but still flesh. u say meat is flesh,u say muscle is flesh,u say muscle is flesh.u admit all of these but then u get mad at the Quran becuase it says flesh instead of meat,or muscle,or fat.
see how ur argument is baseless.
if meat,muscle,fat,tissue are all considered flesh then y u do despair?
becuz meat,muscle,fat and tissue is different?
so what they are all still FLESH as u have said numerous times.
@Deen354 and they do not wait for the bone to form look it up , tell me at what week in the pregnacy the bone form before the flesh ,,, you wont because it does not thats final i dont care if you dobnt like it you can watch videos of this process ... the end FOOL
@Deen354 you moron it matters not why ? because the koran does not make any disstiction ,,, it says flesh not muscle not fat ,,, it says flesh and it says the bones form first which they do not ! what you really think that a skelleton form them get covered with flesh BWAAAA HA HA HA HA YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT
@Deen354 your a fucking idiot both the words flesh and muscle appear in the dictionary look them up their is a distiction and the medical books also make a clear difference now go away your to stupid for this and you are making your self look bad child ,,,
@Deen354 ya i consider my self lucky because i was given a chance for education and i dont care about muscle or flesh or fat the korans says the bones form before the flesh and it is wrong ,,, argue that do the bones form before the flesh NO ,,,, I HAVE PASTED THE SURAHS and even in corals the bones dont form first muscle , fat , flesh ,,, all of them the bones dont form first epic epic failure
@lesterclaypool1 now u say u dont care,first u say the quran is wrong for saying flesh instead of muscle,now when i prove they r one in the same u say u dont care.
now u say it is an epic failure when i hav shown u that muscles cannot form without a cartilage model forming first.but ull probably say a cartilage model is not bone jus like how u said flesh and muscle are different.lol
@Deen354 i dont care what flesh forms but the FACTS is that flesh forms before there is bone the flesh carries nutrient for the bones to form so what your debating is different types of flesh but not when what forms and we both know that the flesh form before the bones in every living thing go debate that ! not what are the types of flesh bwaaa ha ha ha you fool ! dont loose your focus i dont care what type of flesh there are the bones dont form first
@lesterclaypool1 i dont care what flesh forms but the FACTS is that flesh forms before there is bone the flesh carries nutrient for the bones to form so ....
yes u r right,no one is diputing that,in that little lump the Quran refers to nutrients are being brought so the bones can form.u r right.
and after it gets its nutrients while it is a little lump the bones form,and then the bones are clothed with flesh.u jus agreed with the quran
@lesterclaypool1 ur lack of understanding does not make the quran false buddy,the flesh u r talking about that is there before the bone is the flesh is referring to when it says a little lump.hope that clarifies,unless now u say u were never a little lump.lol
@Deen354 your lack of understanding and the wrong wording in the koran is what makes you look idiotic ,,,, the bones do not form before there is flesh that the final word on the subject ,,, look up what i listed endderm , ectoderm ,,, argue with the embrotic experts fool ,, or go watch the videos on how a fetus froms with your own eyes see for your self fool that the bone do not form before the flesh as your idiot koran says ,,, big failure loser now fuck off ok ? your a moron
@lesterclaypool1 y r u sending me away becuz science proves the Quran rite?
"the bones do not form before there is flesh that the final word on the subject "
i told u,u r correct,that flesh u r talking about that is there first is the little lump the quran refers to before bone is even mentioned.dont curse at me becuz u dont like facts.
What a childish argument!
- What is the definition of "like"?
- Who is the judge?
- What is the objective criteria?
- Will it be compared to a play by Shakespeare?
- Is it sufficient to correct an error to be a better Koran?
StopSpamming1 1 month ago
what an idiot, a book written in a script with no comma, no vowels and no paragraphs is having perfect surrahs :)
and on top of that, when you lost the football match you just said you never challenged the other team it was meant for somalians who dont play football at all, what a lame excuse.
ofcourse if i throw a challenge of making a play like shakespear on somalians they wont respond, but if i throw the same on americans? your thought has no logic, its pure bullshit.
amazonsongs 1 month ago
what an utterly chutiya justification.This is what they call "logical approach to Islam"gosh! Dr khalid zaheer's ridiculous clarification of the "surah like it" challenge can convince only simple minded religious people.The fact is that the "surah like it" challenge was just a rhetoric.It has no logic in it coz logically it is an irrefutable assertion thus meaningless.
dominant28 1 year ago
so is the earth pushed into the back of a whale ? muhammad said so ,,,,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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@lesterclaypool1
Week 1-2: formation of zygote, implantation and formation of bilaminar embryo (p. 3-4, fig. 1-1).
Weeks 3-8: Embryological period (p. 4-5, fig. 1-1).
Weeks 9-38: Fetal period (p. 5-6, figs. 1-1 and 1-2).
Limb bud (p. 366, fig. 16-2)
Week 6 (p. 354, fig. 14-14; p. 371, fig. 16-7)
Further differentiation of the limb buds during week 6 (p. 367, fig. 16-3):
Limb rotation begins (p. 373, fig. 16-9):
i hope u dont argue with top embryologist as well
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 i hope u arent stupid,
i asked u,am i lying or is the author of that book i showed u(that u asked for) disagreeing with the quran
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 what part of this are nt you getting ? the wotrks of doctor moore and all the other embryologists go against what the koran says and no where does it say that life comes from a clot as a matter of fact when the word clot is used it usually means the death of the fetus and dont you think some like the formation of the bone before the flesh would be mentioned ? but it does not say that at all in any way ,, as matter of FACT it shows the entire first tri mester to be bone free
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 o ok so u understand his book better than he does?correct?yes or no
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 i comprehend what i read ,that means i under stand what i read and its very clear and ill give you a hint see if it says the bones form before the flesh , thats what you want to be looking for and it doesnt say that so to answer you i understand what his book says enough to know for a fact with out a doubt that the bones do not form before the flesh , and that no clot has ever came to life good night deen ill talk tommorrow that will gave you time to look up NUN
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 i told u,a simple yes or no will do,u dont have to run,i just want either a 3 letter answer or a 2 letter answer.
yes or no?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 good night deen
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 THATS 13 LETTERS.
i jus want 2 or 3
y give me more than wat i ask for?
or u dont have any intention of answering a simple yes or no?
y not?
i typed way more than 3 letters so uve shown it isnt hard
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 u*
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 still waiting for my 2 letter or 3 letter word.
if you type anymore than that in response to my question,you really have no interest in having an itelligent debate,its apperent cuz when i ask a simple yes or no question you refuse to answer it cuz in your answer ur level of intelligence will become apparent and ur denial will be seen by everyone.If i a m lying answer my question.
do you know his book better than he does.Yes or no?
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 yes or no?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 you idiot ,,, how many time must you be told the same thing ? just read the answer ,,, 8 ] ,,, so is the earth pushed into the back of a whale ? yes or no
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 do be like paul and try to decieve me,you havent given me a yes or no yet but now u attempt to change the subject.y?is that what paul taught u?or did jesus teach u that?
now be a good christian and give me my yes or no.
so,yes or no
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 as i have said over and over ,,, and this will be the last time ,,,, i see why you have no friends ,, and you have just lost this one ,,, badgering a person who has answered you repaeted ly does amek the answer change unfortunatly you dont see this and think the answer will change ,,, so im verging on blocking you and leaving you in this darkness the stew in your stupidity , its not a simple yes or no ,,, ask again and i will end our conversion
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 u say u answered,yet i still see no simple yes or no?r u being like paul and lying again?if not,show me where u said yes or no
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 thats because our to stupid to read the answer ,,,, and your not bullying me at all ,,, you are a moron ,,, so that whale ? you know the one muhammad said the earth is on ? what you just ignire that ? and the buraq ? and heres a good one the wings of a fly,,, they hold both the cures and illnesses for every thing ? how about the flying carpets mentioned n the koran ? ya ok looser
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Deen354 and im not going to ,,, i already answered you but you are to stupid to understand it
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 never quoted the ayah talking about flying carpet,never quoted the ayah talking about this whale of urs,never gave me a yes or no
i dont wanna bully i just want to turn u from a monkey to a man
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 i sent you the video ,,, and most cetinly do give the ayah ,,,,or go watch the video on my page ,,,, bye deen
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 see how u abrubtly try to change subject in light of the truth.
you have the tendancies of a coward in denial.
Dont come on my page wanting to comment things but then block me on ur page becuz u cant stand the truth,then come here and try to change the subject weve been debating on 4 50 pages and 2 weeks because truth hurts so much.
your credibilaty is shot,you cant be like a typical christian and run away from and block the truth all ur life.
u need help
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 i changed nothing,,, it was your own cut and paste from the doctors note that blew your koran apart ,,, and no where at all in any of his works or any one elses does it say life starts as a clot or the bone form before flesh does it ? does it ? ,,, well does it you wont be finding that in any medical manual on this planet .. so after you disproved the koran i changed subject which you cant and wont address ,,, like the buraq , the whale , ect ect and im all for the truth !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 and not from prophet jesus,But from the God your "god" used to pray to.
or are you going to say Jesus only prayed because blah blah blah.
well if your god has to pray regardless of what excuse u come up with he isnt God.because God has no need to pray.
stop commenting,u said u r done right,you said the truth makes u feel bullied,so u can leave me alone now.
notice i havent blocked u,but i will if u keep acting like a punk,be a true christian and stand up 4 truth
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 actually here you go again show me where ,,, where i said god prays to any one ,,, jesus showed us how to pray and i dont believe as i have said over and over again that you wont a verses that sayd god prayed to any one ,,, but on the other hand the koran does say the angels prayed to adam ,,, why ? uhm? seems like the words of the koran have beaten you again ,,, you just dont know enough to debate ,, you dont even know your koran ,,, you havent read it have you ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 goodbye lester,i dont talk to deniers and cowards
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 you have no friends do you ? you just sit there waiting for me to come home so you can be an ass .... well thats to bad good bye
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 seekth the truth and the truth will set u free
dont run from the truth lester for then u will never be free
bye
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 a simple yes or no will suffice as an answer
Deen354 1 year ago
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By the end of the 3rd week, the paraxial mesoderm divides into paired bodies called somites, located bilaterally of the neural tube (p. 64, fig. 4-10).
The somites give rise to the axial SKELETON (vertebrae, ribs), associated musculature and adjacent dermis of skin.
The first pair of somites develop a short distance posterior to the cranial end of the notochord, and the rest of the somites form caudally.
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
you pasted the doctors words , you are the one who showed what he actually said ,,, you are the one who denied the truth , i guess what it blew up in your face it fucking fact ,dont the truth dont care it remains and your bull shit koran is wrong ,, now go cry about that to your imama,, bwaaa ha ha ha what you want more ? ,,, want another debate ?, how about the world beening oushed into the back of a whale ? or tell me what does camel urine cure HA HA HA or how about flting carpets?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 i posted what the doctor said and then who was the one who said he must mistaken or paid or blah blah blah.lol denial is a sickness deep within ur heart.u come post the same stuff u post else where to try and change subject.a pathetic tactic,u never answer me where does it say that whale stuff in the quran?nor did u answer my question on how many embryologist do i need to bring before u finally realize u hate the truth.
wat r u goin to say,thats wat ur translation says?lol
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 no your are lting because the doctor clearly mentions the time in weeks when the bones appear ,,, and thats after the flesh is there weeks after and what no BONES ! he also never mentions the CLOT no life comes from a clot zero zip zilch NO LIFE ,,, your koran is WRONG and i dont care if you like it or not ,, and i was changing subject because you lost this debate ,,, bring the embryologists that say bones appear before flesh or life starts as a clot ,,, do it
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 like i said,the doctor agrees with the quran,i showed u his quote,and now r u saying im lying or r u saying he doesnt agree with the quran?
which 1?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 Upper limb buds become recognizable during week 4 (day 26 or 27) and the lower limb buds become present by the end of week 4 (day 28; p. 84, fig. 5.12). The patterning of the limb development is regulated by Homeobox-containing (Hox) genes.
The upper limb buds appear low on the embryo DUE TO the dominant development of the head and neck.
The upper limb buds form opposite the caudal cervical segments and lower limb buds form opposite the lumbar and upper sacral segments
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Deen354 the doctor very works show the koran is wrong ,,, you read it here wait ill go and get what you worte as the doctors own works
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God or Allah". notice dr moore never said that the statements where scientific , he took the cash and went home
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
clearly islam just copied already know sientific facts from 1000 years before islam was invented
by the way islam/the quran also contains many errors but muslim will never ever say its true and the just try to bend the words and tell you that you need the quran in arabic like iff most 99.8 % off the muslims suddenly can read ancient arabic LOL
lacossanostra 1 year ago
@lacossanostra u still havent answered my question silly atheist,not here or the place where i first asked u my question,how come?
DO YOU BELIEVE IN ENERGY?
Deen354 1 year ago
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The first evidence of knowledge about embryos goes back to ancient Sanskrit and Egyptian hieroglyphics. Sarasvati, Indian Goddess of KnowledgePlato (427-347 B.C.) introduced the concept of “souls” in his studies of development. The vegetative soul brings about life (plants stop here).
lacossanostra 1 year ago
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The sensitive soul enables sensations (giving rise to animals). The spiritual soul enables thinking (unique to humans).Aristotle (384-322 B.C.) was the first person to conduct systematic observations of embryos. He recorded different stages in the development of chick embryos. He also recognized that there are multiple ways that organisms reproduce.
lacossanostra 1 year ago
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@lacossanostra Aristotle (384-322 B.C.) was the first person to conduct systematic observations of embryos
so if he copied why did he only copy the accurate parts and none of the mistakes?
Deen354 1 year ago
this is the evidence that islam wassent the first one who talk about of embryology
so it cant be a miracle or whatever muslim try to claim
The quran just simply copied those so called miracles from already know facts from sience doctors ect
History like below shows us that islam is just a scam and all the so called miracles in the quran are invented by sientist,doctors ect way before islam was invented
islam just copied and sometimes translated into wrong translations
lacossanostra 1 year ago
@lacossanostra how come he only copied the true parts and left out the wrong parts,how did he know what to choose?
im curious to know,since u want to come to some one's aid and help them disbelieve
and after u giv me ur dumb reason asnwer me,do u believe in energy?
Deen354 1 year ago
The first evidence of knowledge about embryos goes back to ancient Sanskrit and Egyptian hieroglyphics. Sarasvati, Indian Goddess of KnowledgePlato (427-347 B.C.) introduced the concept of “souls” in his studies of development. The vegetative soul brings about life (plants stop here).
lacossanostra 1 year ago
@lacossanostra ok,so lets see what dr.moore has to say about ur dumb claims
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 and what did he say ? uhm i like what he says it exactly what i said step by step ,,,, but if you read the koran the orders not quite right is it ? and the descriptions totally out of context with reality and that is the fact ,,,, thank you dr moore
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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@lesterclaypool1 and the descriptions totally out of context with reality and that is the fact ,,,, thank you dr moore
lol so doctor moore is gravely mistaken for saying the quran is accurate now rite?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 dr gave i indepth look at pregnacy in his book and that disagrees with what the koran says ,,,, and dr maurice came out and said he felt pressured at that meeting ,,, so on the spot i dont think he really care what he said ,,, because in his book it proves the koran WRONG doesnt it ? yes it does as you showed us
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lacossanostra At a conference he presented a research paper and stated:
“It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah.”
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354
wow many comments but no facts LOL
is this the way so my proof islam is just a scam will disapair to the next page:)
you islamic cunts cant handle the truth
and dr moore!! who the fuck is dr moore
You cant deny history and the already know facts about embryology 1000 years before islam was invented
lacossanostra 1 year ago
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@lacossanostra and dr moore!! who the fuck is dr moore
one of the top 5 embryologist of the world,but he is a nobody now rite?
and dont avoid my question silly atheist,DO YOU BELIEVE IN ENERGY?
Deen354 1 year ago
@lacossanostra Professor Moore also stated that:
“…Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur’an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.
Deen354 1 year ago
@lacossanostra The intensive studies of the Qur’an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D… the descriptions in the Qur’an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century…”
but he is wrong right,cuz u know better than him rite?
cuz u studied embryology better than him rite?
Deen354 1 year ago
@lacossanostra lol u disbelievers are so funny
Deen354 1 year ago
The sensitive soul enables sensations (giving rise to animals). The spiritual soul enables thinking (unique to humans).Aristotle (384-322 B.C.) was the first person to conduct systematic observations of embryos. He recorded different stages in the development of chick embryos. He also recognized that there are multiple ways that organisms reproduce.
lacossanostra 1 year ago
@lacossanostra since u want to join in,i have a question for u cuz u are a foolish atheist,u believe in energy?
Deen354 1 year ago
so according to dr moores own writtings ,,, have just shown that the flesh is before there is any bones ,,,, thank you very much now read the rest ,,, it gets very interesting ,,,, oh but you goofed up
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 and mughdah correctly describes exactly what an early embryo is,all before bones are mentioned in the quran
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 Towards the end of the 3rd week proceeding into the 5th week, cubodial bodies appear on the embryonic mesoderm resembling blocks. The term “mudghah” has been used to describe this stage in the Qur’ān:
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 The second word is “lahm” meaning intact flesh. Maurice Bucaille explains this distinction stating that the bone structure DEVELOPS INSIDE the MUGHDAH called mesencheyma. The bones that are later formed are covered, but this time with “Lahm”, intact flesh. In fact this can also be seen as referring to the muscular system
Deen354 1 year ago
have you read this ? it supports my claims exactly .... and no where have i read yet that the bone form before the flesh ,,,, this is exactly what im saying ,, to a TEE ,, as a matter of fact i will use DR Moores note in future debates ,,, this is better than i thought , its perfect you need to read this ,,, just like i said the bone do not form before the flesh ,,,,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 By the end of the 3rd week, the paraxial mesoderm divides into paired bodies called somites, located bilaterally of the neural tube (p. 64, fig. 4-10).
The somites give rise to the axial SKELETON (vertebrae, ribs), associated musculature and adjacent dermis of skin.
The first pair of somites develop a short distance posterior to the cranial end of the notochord, and the rest of the somites form caudally.
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 yes but that doesnt say the bones form first ,,, bnice cut and paste ,,, but you see there what it says,,[ associated with the MUSCLULATURE ,AND DERMUS OF SKIN ,, which means there is muscle there does nt it ? yes it does ,, oh and we both know that somite appear before bones right ? i explained that already ,,, so if theres flesh before the somites whats that tell you ,,, thats theres flesh before the somite ,, which is before the bones right ,,,, THANK YOU
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 lol so now the embryologist are mistaken too rite?loll
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 no they got it bang on read it read it ,,, but ni where NO WHERE does it say leech ,,,, clot ,,, bones before flesh ,,, ,,, SO SHOW ME ANY WHERE IN ANY MEDICAL MANUAL THAT SAYS THEBONES APPEAR BEFORE THE FLESH ,,,, THE KORAN SAYS SO and thats what your trying to defend ,,, oh and i asked you where in dr moores book does it say the bone are formed before the flesh ,,, actually his book says exactly what i have read and told you ,,, and the bone are after there is flesh not before
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 lollllll
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 so now what ? who right ? the koran or what we have proven ? i think it very very clear the fetal growth process dont you theres no clot , the bones arent just waiting to clothed with flesh , your reproductive organs are not between your back bones and ribs , they are well below your hips centered at the pubic bone ,so the truth ? you really thought the bones ormed before the flesh ? and that we were just clots that got lucky ? and really dude what about galens works ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 now what ? who right ? the koran or what we have proven ?
loll,o so dr moore didnt prove in the book i gave u that the quran was rite?
so we are wrong for saying dr moore is better than you and understands more about embryology than u do,correct?
cuz he says the quran was right,and u say it is wrong.
so you know better about embryology than he does,correct?
Deen354 1 year ago
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@Deen354
silly fool!!
i just proved that your quran copied already know facts about embryology
The first evidence of knowledge about embryos goes back to ancient Sanskrit and Egyptian hieroglyphics. Sarasvati, Indian Goddess of KnowledgePlato (427-347 B.C.)
lacossanostra 1 year ago
@Deen354 no but if you take a real look at the doctors that are agreeing with what im saying ,,,, and the facts are the facts ,,, i gave them to you straight from the top right of the shelf and some of what i pasted where dr moores words and works and fought it tooth and nail , and the koran order and its description are WRONG , and thats the facts just because moore says one thing then goes into detail showing different thats not my problem you even paisted what i was saying
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 lol ok lester,dont ask for books and manuals and pages if u are gonna come up with reasons to disbelieve in them anyway
cuz then that just proves ur nature
and the fact that u dont want to believe
so instead of gooing with top embryologist u go with the ones that side with u,the ones who never opened the quran in the 1st place.
but thats ok
you choose the sides of the disbelievers
like a jew (only)asking about the messiah to jews who dont believe he was
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 ha ha ha ha ya nice ,,, you such a loser and your funny ,, the very source that you called upon the only dr i know of who says such a thing totallt disproves it in his own book ,,,, maybe he tring to teach you some thing ,,, maybe hes trying to make islam understand and look at the truth ,,, but if got a list ya ill take a look because there are litteraly thousands of doctor that disaree with dr moore on the koran and i have more
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Deen354 i dont disagree with the experts at all i agree with them it them that say what i have said ,,,, read it your self the bones do not form before the flesh [skin , muscle , conective tissues hearts ect ect ] and no life comes from a clot ,,, get it ? you should by now ,,, you must have read wehat the experts said and they dont say clot CLOT ,,, they dont say the bnes form first or before flesh ,,, you read it ,, you pasted it ,,, you must have noticed ,want me to point it out ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 yea u r right,the very source i gave you disagrees totally with the quran,thats why the author of the book said the quran is right.lol
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 no the author took the money ,,he was well paid for this ,,, then he went home and wrote the truth ,,,, just like maurice ,,, only maurice came out and told the truth publicly ,,,, and those are the FACTS ,,,, get it the author lied to get paid ,,, you can read all about just google it
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 lol o ok,so now he only agrees with the quran cuz of money right???loll
like i said,would you like more embryologist who studied embryos and the quran and see what they have to say,since now according to u dr.moore isnt a credible source(lol)?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 ok bring it lets see one embryologist who agrees with the koran and says the bones are formed first , or life starts as a clot ,,,, when we started this you didnt even know what surahs said this ,,, you dont even know your koran ,,, and here you are learning ,,, at least your beening force to learn and thats a great thing because you will learn the lies that make the koran ,,, i will also teach you about the false prophet who killed, stole, raided, took slaves , and lied ,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 dont star lying after u come bac after a week,and dont start making false assumptions,no body came to help u cuz they probably see how retarded ur argument is,and how u run from truth and logic(last post was a week ago).
now tell me,how many embryologist do u need so that u can finally stop denying the truth?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 bull shit no one has come to your rescuse because you dont know your koran or the cant face the FACTS even you posted the word of the good doctor and he blew apart your koran , come smart guy show me in any fucking edical book in the entire world that syas we start as a clot , and i have no troubles with the truth it is you who doesnt know what truth you lied several times and have lost this debate hands down ,we do not start as a clot and the bones dont form first !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Deen354 notice how no body has came here and interupted us or gave you aid ? why do you think that is ? could it be because you were loosing aso badly ? could it be because everything i listed is the latest and most up to date truth ? ,,,, well yes it is ,,, but wait it still goes totally agaist the koran ,,, and verified 100% truth look it up see with your own eyes hows a fetus forms ,,, not like the trash and lies of your koran ,,, your koran failed
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@Deen354 i used only the works that all agree and they his works too and they all agree and the koran differs ,,, dont like it to bad ,,,, not my words the words of the experts not the words of the koran at all
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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A cavity, the mycocoele, forms within each somite but disappears.
Each somite becomes differentiated into ventromedial sclerotome (for vertebrae and ribs), myotome (muscles) and dermatome (skin; p. 340, fig. 14-1).
At the beginning of the 4th week, the somites (4) are well formed and the neural tube is also formed but it is opened at the rostral and caudal neuropores (p. 81, fig. 5.8).
THEN
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 ya but where does it say the bone form first this does nt ,,, it says Each somite becomes differentiated into ventromedial sclerotome (for vertebrae and ribs), myotome (muscles) and dermatome (skin; p. 340, fig. 14-1).
At the beginning of the 4th week, the somites (4) are well formed and the neural tube is also formed but it is opened at the rostral and caudal neuropores (p. 81, fig. 5.8).
and that doesnt say what you think it does ,so where dose it say the bones form first
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 Upper limb buds become recognizable during week 4 (day 26 or 27) and the lower limb buds become present by the end of week 4 (day 28; p. 84, fig. 5.12). The patterning of the limb development is regulated by Homeobox-containing (Hox) genes.
The upper limb buds appear low on the embryo DUE TO the dominant development of the head and neck.
The upper limb buds form opposite the caudal cervical segments and lower limb buds form opposite the lumbar and upper sacral segments
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 so where it say the bones form first ????????? because so far it verifies they dont ,,,, and it verifies what i have been saying all along ,,, so show me where it say the bone form first please
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 ok,lets see what doctor moore says,the top embrologist
Deen354 1 year ago
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@lesterclaypool1 Dr. Moore taunted, "Maybe fourteen centuries ago
someone secretly had a microscope and did this research, making no
mistakes anywhere. Then he somehow taught Muhammad and convinced him
to put this information in his book. Then he destroyed his equipment
and kept it a secret forever?. Do you believe that? You really should
not unless you bring some proof because it is such a ridiculous
theory."
Deen354 1 year ago
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@lesterclaypool1 When he was asked "How do you explain this information in the
Qur'an?"
Dr. Moore's reply was, "It could only have been divinely revealed."
On the other hand a polished, bent glass is less a
miracle and could have been used a while earlier
than in the 16th century
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 well galem wrote the same thing 1800 year before the koran was even thought of ,,,, look up galen , shit fool even galens drawing are used on islamic website in the description of the leech ,,, open your eyes face facts ,,, like it or not the koran is wrong on this one ,,, and it was written as well before this ,,,, now are you done with this ? want to move on ? because theres a few questions i have for you about the koran
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 but ok,now muhammad(saw) copied right,when keith moore agrees with the quran now its copied.
after i give u a scientific manual&the page number that goes along with the quran every one is wrong now rite?
now its copied rite?
so how come muhammad(saw) copied all the right parts of these philosiphers u quote,&none of the wrong?
go ahead,give a dumb reason to justify ur disbelief
but since dr.moore is wrong now,ill give u other embryologist thats smarter than u
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 but of coarse u understand his book better than the author,cuz you are never wrong
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 tell me your right are the bone formed first and is the koran right about this ? im agreeing with the experts ,,, i even used his own words to prove and agree with ,,, it is you who is saying the koran is right,, and well even you cut and paste the very words the go against your koran you are the one who proved me correct ,,, your the one who cut and paste the word that drmoors said which are what i have said but thats not what your koran says
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 T.V.N. Persaud
Author and editor of over 20 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. Co-author of The Developing Human (5th Edition, with Keith L. Moore). He received the J.C.B. Grant Award in 1991. Professor Peraud presented several research papers.
“It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn’t read, didn’t know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate…
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 We’re talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature…
I personally can’t see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements.”
want more embryologist?
Deen354 1 year ago
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@lesterclaypool1 Week 6 (p. 354, fig. 14-14; p. 371, fig. 16-7)
Mesenchymal models of the BONES in the limbs undergo chondrification to form hyaline cartilage.
The clavicle develops by intramembranous ossification and LATER develops articular cartilages.
The cartilage models form SOONER in the upper limb than in the lower limb and in a proximodistal sequence.
Further differentiation of the limb buds during week 6 (p. 367, fig. 16-3):
Deen354 1 year ago
Medical Library: Clinically Oriented Anatomy by Keith L. Moore ,,, is this the one ? because thats the only one i can find that has to do with moore
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
Consider that word khalaqnaa ("we created/formed") appears in three times in Soorat al-Moominoon 23:14: (1) khalaqnaa al-nutfata alaqatan - "we formed the nutfa into an alaqa"; (2) khalaqnaa al-alaqata mudghatan - "we formed the alaqa into a mudgha"; (3) khalaqnaa al-mudghata izhaaman - "we formed the mudgha into bones." So the question that needs to be asked is how one properly interprets the logical structure khalaqnaa X,Y.
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
When we reach izhaam we find another problematic part of the verse. Consider that the text reads: khalaqnaa al-mudghata izhaaman, fa-kasawnaa al-izhaaman laHman. First note that khalaqnaa is past tense, and the pre-fix fa means "then." So the verse reads: "we formed the morsel into bones, then we clothed the bones with flesh." Thus, it implies bone forms before soft tissue, which is a blatant error, not to mention one that parallels Galen.
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
so how is three months of devleopment of flesh the bone first ? how are the bones before this ? duuuuuuuhhhhh so explain how your going to twist this ? you relise that at this point the fetus has a head ? its not a lump as a matter of fact its visable to the nake eye easily at about three to four inches it has a heart , and the bones are stating to from a wonderful thing growing
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@lesterclaypool1 so how is three months of devleopment of flesh the bone first ? how are the bones before this ?
yup the little lump(of flesh) was there before bones,as the quran says,as far as bones not being present before three months,ull havta take that up with embryologist.
its not a lump as a matter of fact its visable to the nake eye easily at about three to four inches
no one said it was an invisible lump.lol
Deen354 1 year ago
the koran says that the bone of a clot form before then are covered with flesh ,,,, well thats not the truth at all in any way ,,, tha word of allah are WRONG dont like it dont care the truth remains !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
you who deen345 read this is what the koran means ? well is it ? Ectopic means "out of place." In an ectopic pregnancy, a fertilized egg has implanted outside the uterus. The egg settles in the fallopian tubes more than 95% of the time. This is why ectopic pregnancies are commonly called "tubal pregnancies." The egg can also implant in the ovary, abdomen, or the cervix, so you may see these referred to as cervical or abdominal pregnancies.
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
None of these areas has as much space or nurturing tissue as a uterus for a pregnancy to develop. As the fetus grows, it will eventually burst the organ that contains it. This can cause severe bleeding and endanger the mother's life. A classical ectopic pregnancy never develops into a live birth.
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
but it still would have been funny to watch you lie for days and say u never said that,but then ud take the fun rite out of when when youd say i was mistaken for saying it gets diagnosed as a clot i change my answer now.But Mashaallah
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 you not very bright are you ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
so your saying that a fluid from between the back bones and ribs ,,, is how the process starts ? thats not the truth ,,,, so your saying we start as a clot thats not true ,,,, and guess what the bones do not form first ,,,, all of these are lies ,,, weather your saying it or the koran ,,, like it or not the koran is wrong get it ? AGAIN FOR THE LAST TIME WE DO NOT START AS A CLOT ,, THE BONES DO NOT FORM FIRST ! and this is what your koran says
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 yea yea what ever,there is no point proving this now is it,even if i bring scientific information to prove that u r jus ignorant and just choose the side thats in opposition of Quran you wont believe me anyway now would u.And if you say something that agrees with what im telling u ull jus deny it for a week and then finally say that u made a mistake.y argue with a person like u?i told u,tell ur frends u won ,u have bragging rites if thats wat u seek,i no longer care
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 say im running or cant handle the truth,but me and you both know when the truth manifeses thats wen u change wat u say so u can be in oppostion to it,doubt that? read how many times i asked u a simple yes or no question and read how many times u lied and then read wen u finally couldnt say u didnt say it any longer becuz proof was brought read ur response then
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 look i dont give a flying @#$!5z* the koran does not say blastula does it ? it says alaqa and what that mean ? CLOT so is the koran right ? NO ,, weither im right or wrong has no bering on the wording of the koran weither i make a mistake or not does not change the wording in the koran and it is wrong ,,, wrong wording wrong meaning ... get it ? the koran did not use the correct terms at all in any shape or form ,,, inmedical terms or street terms it is wrong !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 ok so if i call you a mammal instead of a human im wrong rite,according to ur theory.
my point being alaq is translated into many english words,clot being one and blastula(as u said) being another,leech like and blood clot or others.So because ur translation uses one of these terms and not what scientist say it has to be false.because it doesnt go into scientific detail and gives u a general term to refer to ur development it has to be false right?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 no i didnt say that did i ? and thats not my [theory ] and your point is a terrible deffence you would make a losing lawyer apperntly alaqa can mean what ever you wish it to mean but acording to arabic dictionarys it means clot personally i dont care if you like it or not thats what the word means and as i have said before many many times thats not how we start , and this is not my translation even yusuf ali used clot ,, why because thats the first meaning ,,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 ok,so where did u make the mistake and get that blastula is translated as clot?
and y when it develops in the womb you say it was never an alaq
but wen it develops outside the womb doctors believe it is,until it further develops?
y isnt muscle considered flesh?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 mucsle is made out of flesh but the koran does not distinguish between them it says flesh does nt it ? WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ? read paste it here WHAT DOES IT SAY ? and when it devolps in the womb iit is aovum like it or not it is alive ,,, not just a clot living cells ,,, tell me where it says blastula is a clot ,,, tell me blastula is a group of living cells usually 128 that cleve into 2 or more groups ,,, so whats the koran say tell me WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
ok for the record ,,, alaqa is not the same as blastula it is not the same as ganin ,,,, alaqa means clot and we all know that no life starts as a clot ,,, no life
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@Deen354 what you break your key board ? cant look it up your self ? ,,, well ok it alaka,,,
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
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1 week ago @lesterclaypool1 are you going to give me the arabic word for blastula?you said you would
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 you answer me elsewhere
dont run from the truth,whether you do run or dont it remains the same.
im waiting for ur response,are you telling me what i posted previously of you saying what i said you said is a lie again?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 im saying if you read the medical manuals and still believe that life starts as a clot then you dont comprehend what you read , if you think the bone form first then you really dont comprehend what you read and if you think the reproductive organs are above the hips or that a fluid from between the back bones and ribs as the koran says then you are unfortunitly stupid ,and if i said that blastula and alaqa are the same than it would be a mistake!
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 of coarse its a mistake now,thats wat happens when the truth manifeses,u back track and say mistakes are made,and thats y i call you a waste of time,someone who says the truth and then denys it wen it goes along with the Quran has no intention of learning,jus argueing for arguments sake.i dont have time for ignorance,my advice would be to chnage ur answers wen the truth is in front of ur face.had u known id say u said alaq was blastula u wuld have lied and not answered
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 your a idiot ! ,,,, a mistake is a mistake ,,, the word blastula is greek and did not appear in the koran ,,, and the truth is not whats found in the koran you are a waste of time and arguing facts against your koran ,,, and the facts win no life starts as a clot get through your head ,,, and the bones do not DO NOT FORM FIRST ! like it or not your koran is WRONG ,, wrong wording wrong meanings my advice to you is go to school and learn the truth !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 well the embryologist i believe say they know first hand that cartilage models form fisrt and then muscle grow on top of them shortly after,of coarse ull disagree with them becuz it proves the quran true.Of coarse ull say alaq doesnt mean blastula anymore or that blastula isnt in the quran(a blastula is a sticky lump of cells with fluid exactly like a clot but of coarse u hold this untrue) becuz u dont want the truth in quran.u would hate that
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 ya well the koran does not say muscle it says flesh ! and you your self looked up arm bud right ? ,,,,, blastula is a greek term ,, and today means cleving of the cells and happens at 128 cells generaly not a clot ,,, what does the koran say does it say blastula ? NO ,,,,it does not does it ? does the koran actually say this greek word ? NO it did not !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 so now muscle is not flesh??lolwhats the arabic word for muscle.wait nevermind.
Tell me u think the Quran ment it was bone and then it got clothed with skin,lol
i dont understand how muscle cannot be considered flesh,explain
y have u not disputed and denied my ectopic pregnancy yet,im still waiting for u to say thats untrue too
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 does it say muscle ? NO the koran says flesh argue with the korans wording ,,, because it says flesh ! you changed it to muscle ,,, those are your words and even then the bones dont form before the muscle or flesh ,,,, you dont understand what you read do you ? read the words then understand theri meaning dont just change it to your liking ,,, the koran says the bones are then clothed with flesh ,,,, give the surah that says muscle please ,,, i cant find it
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 in fact,an ectopic pregnancy usually gets diagnosed as a blood clot until further testing,well most of the time any way,but of coarse ull deny that too becuz it shows that if the ovum develops outside the womb it gets mistaken as a clot.But of coarse the doctors are lying or my information is wrong simply becuz ur heart chooses not to believe that fact.And even if u say ectopic pregnancies are not diagnosed as a clot everytime so what most of the time it is,until further testing
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 even if u didnt know this ull still deny it and say its wrong becuz if u agree it just proves my point,and we cant have that now can we.im thinking if i should have had u look up ectopic pregnancies first and asked what it usually gets diagnosed as,but i remember even if u say it gets diagnosed as a clot youd call that a mistake becuz u cant have ur own words proving the quran true now can u?o no u must deny deny deny at all cost.thats y ud deny this fact i just mentioned.but its ok
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 your point is mute first your changing the wording of the koran it does not say blastula does it ? NO it does not say muscle does it ? NO it does not say ovum or fetus does it ? NO so what does it say ? clot ... flesh ,,, and like it or not you are wrong and your changing the wording of the surahs ,,, so what that tell us ? your changing the meaning but dont worry i wont let you do that ,,, lol
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 yes ur translation says clot or flesh
whats the difference between flesh and muscle?
whats the difference between a clot and a blastula?
why is it in an ectopic pregnancy the complicatios are exactly the same as is with a clot,thats y doctors diagnose it as one??
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 what is the wording of the koran ? WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 lol u r foolish
again,you have not answered any of my questions,how come.
what is the difference between flesh and muscle?
Why when an embryo develops outside the womb they diagnos it as a clot?
Whats the difference between a lump of cells with fluid in it and a blastula?
i look forward to ur answers
dont giv me the quran didnt say muscles or 128 cells,show me the difference.
The quran talks about the sky because it doesnt say its blue its false?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 your to stupid to see or understand the answers and to lazy to look it up ,,, yes and that diagnoses is wrong why ? figure it out ,,, if you can think for once ,,, and the koran does not say muscle it says flesh ! you should read what you written ,,, now go read a book and learn some thing , for goodness sakes LEARN ,,, you compare things that are not even close grasping for any thing ,, and falling short big time !!!!!!!!!!!!
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 maybe its says muscle instead of flesh for disbelievers like you to would hav a reason to reject it.flesh and muscle are the same thing u can use either.
as far as the clot,thats the whole point,u were a lump of cells with fluid and BEHOLD! now u r doubting your Lord.
yup ectopic pregnancies USUALLY die,but my point being they are almost always diagnosed as a clot,but ur little brain cant understand why
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 flesh instead of muscle*
when they are the exact same thing yet u despair.lol
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 no the are not the same thing ,, they are made out of the same thing ,,, you reallt dont understand do you ?
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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@lesterclaypool1 no the are not the same thing ,, they are made out of the same thing ,,,
exactly.so if i call meat or muscle flesh im talking about the same thing
but of coarse ull disagree with this becuz u r a simpleton
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 you dont know the difference ? they devolop different they have differennt jobs , hear let me help you meat you eat ,,, flesh is all over you except for toe and finger nails hair ect ect and mucsle actually has a hydrulic abilities ,,, moron
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 ok,so when u eat the meat of chicken,for instance a chicken wing,u arent eating the arm muscle?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 your an idiot ! is that what i said NO ! your to stupid to understand ,,, but i am glad you did leave all this wreckage for every one to read ,,, stupid waste of time you debate like a child who can read or under stand
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 and yes i do hope readers read this,so they can decide for themselves who uses logic and facts and who uses baseless whims and desires.
who is the child who cant read or understand now?
and yes u r right u r a waste of time because u r one who believes flesh and meat and muscle or different.lmao
or you can be humble and admit u r mistaken,so we can move on to other issues,which i will gladly help u understand if ur arrogance is put to the side
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 is that what i said NO ! your to stupid to understand but i am glad you did leave all this wreckage for every one to read ,stupid waste of time you debate like a child who cant read or under stand trust me read these comments you cant answer question and dont know your own koran ,, it says flesh , and as i have proven the bones do not appear before the bone go watch fetal development video you can see this your self ,,, the koran is wrong and you cant change that!
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 im glad u answered me so people can see ur foolish arguments
Deen354 1 year ago
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flesh /flɛʃ/ Show Spelled[flesh] Show IPA
–noun
1. the soft substance of a human or other animal body, consisting of MUSCLE and fat.
2. MUSCULAR and fatty tissue.
3. this substance or tissue in animals, viewed as an article of food, usually excluding fish and sometimes fowl; meat.
4. fatness; weight.
5. the body, esp. as distinguished from the spirit or soul: The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 excellent you what i said is truth muscle fat and flesh are all different but still flesh ,, but as you said earler in the comment the flesh takes longer to develop , while the bones are formed before the muscle the flesh that soround them is formed first ,,, and yes you eat meat but thats still a different version of flesh and fat is also flesh but different agaim is store nutrients for later useage ,, and the koran says the bones form first but we both know thats not right
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 see how variously u reject the truth.you say they are different but still flesh. u say meat is flesh,u say muscle is flesh,u say muscle is flesh.u admit all of these but then u get mad at the Quran becuase it says flesh instead of meat,or muscle,or fat.
see how ur argument is baseless.
if meat,muscle,fat,tissue are all considered flesh then y u do despair?
becuz meat,muscle,fat and tissue is different?
so what they are all still FLESH as u have said numerous times.
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 and they do not wait for the bone to form look it up , tell me at what week in the pregnacy the bone form before the flesh ,,, you wont because it does not thats final i dont care if you dobnt like it you can watch videos of this process ... the end FOOL
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 and i have shown u in the dictionary,u cannot properly describe flesh without using muscle/and or meat.
yet u still say calling muscle flesh is wrong.even tho u admit muscle is flesh.
wow,ive never met someone whose arrogance would make them look so foolish
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 you moron it matters not why ? because the koran does not make any disstiction ,,, it says flesh not muscle not fat ,,, it says flesh and it says the bones form first which they do not ! what you really think that a skelleton form them get covered with flesh BWAAAA HA HA HA HA YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 ur dictionaries make no distinction as well,does that mean it is wrong for saying flesh is muscle as well?
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 your a fucking idiot both the words flesh and muscle appear in the dictionary look them up their is a distiction and the medical books also make a clear difference now go away your to stupid for this and you are making your self look bad child ,,,
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 see consider urself lucky becuz had i not been fasting i would not hav remained so patient with the likes of u.
mus·cle /ˈmʌsəl/ Show Spelled [muhs-uhl] Show IPA noun, verb, -cled, -cling, adjective
–noun
1. FLESH composed of cells or fibers, the contraction of which produces movement in the body.
flesh
–noun
1. the soft substance of a human or other animal body, consisting of Muscle and fat.
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 ya i consider my self lucky because i was given a chance for education and i dont care about muscle or flesh or fat the korans says the bones form before the flesh and it is wrong ,,, argue that do the bones form before the flesh NO ,,,, I HAVE PASTED THE SURAHS and even in corals the bones dont form first muscle , fat , flesh ,,, all of them the bones dont form first epic epic failure
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 now u say u dont care,first u say the quran is wrong for saying flesh instead of muscle,now when i prove they r one in the same u say u dont care.
now u say it is an epic failure when i hav shown u that muscles cannot form without a cartilage model forming first.but ull probably say a cartilage model is not bone jus like how u said flesh and muscle are different.lol
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 i dont care what flesh forms but the FACTS is that flesh forms before there is bone the flesh carries nutrient for the bones to form so what your debating is different types of flesh but not when what forms and we both know that the flesh form before the bones in every living thing go debate that ! not what are the types of flesh bwaaa ha ha ha you fool ! dont loose your focus i dont care what type of flesh there are the bones dont form first
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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@lesterclaypool1 i dont care what flesh forms but the FACTS is that flesh forms before there is bone the flesh carries nutrient for the bones to form so ....
yes u r right,no one is diputing that,in that little lump the Quran refers to nutrients are being brought so the bones can form.u r right.
and after it gets its nutrients while it is a little lump the bones form,and then the bones are clothed with flesh.u jus agreed with the quran
Deen354 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 ur lack of understanding does not make the quran false buddy,the flesh u r talking about that is there before the bone is the flesh is referring to when it says a little lump.hope that clarifies,unless now u say u were never a little lump.lol
Deen354 1 year ago
@Deen354 your lack of understanding and the wrong wording in the koran is what makes you look idiotic ,,,, the bones do not form before there is flesh that the final word on the subject ,,, look up what i listed endderm , ectoderm ,,, argue with the embrotic experts fool ,, or go watch the videos on how a fetus froms with your own eyes see for your self fool that the bone do not form before the flesh as your idiot koran says ,,, big failure loser now fuck off ok ? your a moron
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
@lesterclaypool1 y r u sending me away becuz science proves the Quran rite?
"the bones do not form before there is flesh that the final word on the subject "
i told u,u r correct,that flesh u r talking about that is there first is the little lump the quran refers to before bone is even mentioned.dont curse at me becuz u dont like facts.
Deen354 1 year ago