Emergency braking with an ABS-equipped motorcycle

[BMWBiker2]

I went from riding jap bikes - non abs to a BMW roadster with abs. Wow, I didn't know what I was missing. Excellent video! I agree ALL bikes should have it.

[andyvh1959]

Ever notice that ALL the cycle ABS stop videos only show the bike braking in a straight line, upright. I don't recall ever seeing a video of a cycle during ABS braking, run through a swerve manuever like a car. Because a bike has to lean to swerve, and swerving uses a LOT of traction, trying to rely on ABS when swerving will react much WORSE than a car w/ABS.

[andyvh1959]

Good video wit good info. But to other replies, ABS on a cycle DOES require slight tire slip. Not enough to actually "skid" but it HAS to slip to achive maximum braking, which occurs with wheel rotational speed 10 to 20% LESS than the actual bike speed. This also means when a bike is leaned over, using traction, you cannot clamp on the ABS equipped brakes and fully expect the bike to remain stable and upright. Some farly violent chassis reactions are VERY likely and may be incontrollable.

[icemako]

Been doing a lot of reading on ABS & think it should be put in all motorcycles. I hate how ppl are against it because they feel it reduces the size of their "manhood". Many motorcyclists make themselves feel like they're more entitle to da road than "cagers". What if all cars didn't have ABS because they were equally selfish?! Another key point is YOU are no Rossi. On your best day you probably won't push the brakes hard enough to use ABS, but it can help U safely reach close to da elusive edge.

[milky1081]

I have a question, why not, NOT pull in the clutch and allow the engine to assist in breaking, if you stall once stop, does it really matter? or is it best practise to pull the clutch in? thanks.

[Birdcage67554]

@milky1081 because you lose control of the motorcycle. and if you have to quickly shoot out of the way, lets say you avoid someone who cuts you off. But the blonde bitch behind you is txting, she doesnt see you and you drop the gears and hit the throttle. but if you let it stall....your fucked

[SFOplayer1]

I think this is an excellent step forward for motorcycle riding, as many accidents happen because either the back breaks lock or people brake insufficiently in fear of that happening. A+

[hadiraza512]

I LIKE THIS VIDIO

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[HJC1950]

Correct braking with ABS: get on both brakes very quickly, but not full force. Get the front brake to bite, but pause before applying full force. Even on an ABS equipped motorcycle, full force on the front brake too quickly will tend to lock the front wheel, or in this case, activate the ABS. It's better to begin braking, and then apply more front brake after the weight shift has occurred.

ABS isn't about dry pavement, it's about having to stop very quickly on wet pavement.

[CaneFu]

@HJC1950

Correct braking with ABS...but not full force..dry pavement"

Actually you're completely wrong. Correct braking with ABS in a panic situation IS to apply the both brakes full force and let the computer take over - that's the whole point of having them. With ABS the front wheel will not skid no matter how hard you jam on the brakes. Please, learn more about ABS before you start posting bad advice to riders....you are describing braking with non-ABS and you are stuck in that mindset.

[ammerockrock]

I have a question.

When doing a emergency brake, say at high speed, would I pull in the clutch or just forget about it ?

Some say yes, some say no, I'm so confused. Help me.

Thanks !!!

[vicenti85]

EL ABS es un sistema estupendo. Todas las motos deberian llevarlo. Pero este video es una cagada total. Que calidad mas mala. Y una presentacion penosa...

[kathisterimata]

interesting video. i am a new rider. i own a bmw f 800 st abs equiped. wanted to ask you something about the breaking tips. i know and try to apply 4 out of the 5 tips you give at my breaking. i didnt know about the releasing the clutch thing. shouldnt we be using the gear to break as well? thanx a lot

[afajefla]

I thought abs in a bike was mandatory like a car and an airbag system.

[ardvarkkkkk]

@afajefla No and I, like a lot of other people, would not like to see it that way. Damn sure would take it off my car and truck if I could.

[elchino37]

I agree with the author of the video in reference to pulling the clutch lever when braking. Not applying the clutch lever means that the breaks will also need to contain the momentum (revs) of the engine. Race-car drivers say that they stop more quickly in neutral than when in a gear. In addition, it is helpful because it means that the engine won't stall after you have stopped. In some cases you could save yourself from an accident by accelerating depending on the circumstances, so it's a good

[koimaster]

There is phenominal amount of motorcyclist that come off because situations arise where they have to grab the front brake hard, ending up locking the front wheel and sliding over.

I just hope they start adding this to all bikes

[bobba84]

The momentary wheel lock is by design, it should happen.

[01joydivision]

its actually wrong to pull in the clutch while emergency breaking because it eliminates engine breaking which can cut your stopping distance by a decent amount. It doesn't really matter if you stall in an emergency because youre trying to stop anyway.

[Gallone112]

@01joydivision 100 % best post

[piffs]

@01joydivision In my experience, I will come to a full stop quicker if I pull the clutch in, then if I don't. A different thing is downshifting, which can however result in rear wheel lock if you don't give it a little throttle. Might be a good idea on the track but during an emergency stop, you might just want to focus on making sure your front wheel doesn't lock, while applying as much braking power as possible on both wheels. Again, just my experience on both sports bikes and hinckleys.

[ardvarkkkkk]

@01joydivision When in a hard stop, weight transfers forward to the point that a light tap on the rear brake will lock up the wheel. In that case, what good is engine braking? And for the stalled engine not making any difference, what about getting out of the way of the guy behind you that didn't stop fast enough. The MSF and the police motor course both teach to grab the clutch, apply brakes and downshift into first. Come to a stop in any other gear and you fail that part of the course.

[fmincer]

if i try to brake that hard on my old little 1991 kawa i either lock the front tyre or i do a stoppi.. depending on tarmac and weight i put on the front fork at beginning..

most important is that you know how to brake and have lots of expirience. i understand that it is usefull for beginners or ppl that just do their 2000km per year.

but it kinda scares me that they could end up hide bad engineering with good electronic that safes your ass like it has happend on some cars!

[extreeeeeemist]

screw the abs its just one more thing to go wrong, plus no endos...hahahahahah

[FordsRule351]

i coulda stopped my bike way sooner then this guy without abs. abs might be ok for cars but i dont really care for it on motorcycles.

[sidwills]

@FordsRule351

Or flown face first over the bars trying. ABS eliminates some of the chance elements such as change in road surface that will send you ragdolling down the road if you go from 'nearly locked' to 'locked'. It's happened to me and it wasn't pretty, nor was it predictable. One moment the bike was braking normally, the next minute the front wheel hit the TINIEST of ruts, locked, and threw me head first into an intersection. I have no doubt ABS would have prevented it.

[Dennissays]

Someone tell me WHY THE FUCK DID IT TAKE TIL NOW FOR THIS BE POPULAR?! At least, popular with 600 cc bikes as Honda is applying this technology to the CBR now.

[cvid2]

Can I have ABS put in to my 07 CBR 600rr

[bobsutube]

You can talk about why is it needed and you could do this instead, etc. But the statistics show that there is a 1/3 drop in fatalities between identical model bikes with and without ABS. Don't want to adopt? Don't bother. I just bought a bike yesterday and a good portion of my decision was because of the ABS.

[mazbymoto]

" At all times keep brakes fully applied..." is a LIE and should be forbidden by law! Why? Because somebody might do it during a turn, in a curve...what will send him in the ditch!!! The principal of ABS is measuring the speed between the wheels. Ok on car , but bike takes the turn leaning on one side. In a turn "evening" the speed between the wheels by ABS don,t help. Publicity movies about the "genius" ABS and "apply brakes full" is HARMFUL !!

[atilla000]

@mazbymoto Only retards think these tips also apply during a turn.

[Charles2337]

@mazbymoto

Yeah but without it, during a turn while braking will cause your back wheel to lock up and end up with a crash.

[mazbymoto]

@Charles2337 DURING A TURN with it or without it Your wheel slides! Moto ABS works only in straight line, in turn its useless.

I am driving Honda and BMW ABS bikes... always the same...

[mazbymoto]

Yeah, yeah!... all looks nice driving straight. On the curve Your ABS throws you off the road.

Other thing... the braking with ABS sends You mauch more far, so You drive over anyone on a zebra crossing.

With no ABS You have a full control on the distance.... sorry I find ABS not ready for bikes yet!

[scudnut]

The brakes will lock up in the wet ABS or not, like me you may even slide into a Ford Galaxy.

[gs400s]

Want to know if ,on the DL650 abs version, you can disable the abs ( via a switch) ?

[alleyhse]

It would have been nice to have ABS 5 years ago when the deer herd started coming into the roadway. But I had been riding for 30 years and knew how to use the brakes, plus I was young and invincible at 45 years. My advice - go buy an ABS motorcycle and take advantage of the technology.

[Christine102938]

Have you tried this while leaned over?

[ooohsullivan]

it is possible in theory to brake faster without ABS. What ABS does is letting the wheel turn when it senses that the two wheels turn at different speeds, when a wheels locks. ABS is not magically applying the right amount of force to the brakes. it just corrects if the force is to high. In theory you can find the perfect balance between braking force and traction in order for the wheel not lock and brake efficiently and faster then abs, but it is very very hard. Almost impossible for a human.

[pooqoo]

You are right..

And i can say why ABS is better..

The surface you'll be stopping on is so different, and the traction is different

it is a hard job to stop quickly without loosing your front..

[bikedemon99]

great thing for bikes, never used it on a bike but must be good to have

[beemerdoctor1]

outatime86. bmw abs does nt sense the deceleration or what so ever ur saying..wheel sensor senses only the locking of the wheel due to hard brake loss grip and modulates the pressure to regain traction coz ull never know when ur gonna loose grip while hard braking...are u a super hero who can sense a wheel when it will lock when ur gonna hit something...when ur gonna hit somthing and u only have a fraction of a second ur instict will tell u to brake hard....u said so many none of it makes sense

[Umaxen]

Seems to me that 80% of the braking is done by the front tire. (Probably the same in a typical non-abs emergency stop) Why don't they use fatter tires on the front wheels then? Looks like this bike has a 100 front? Needs as fat as it can fit. Am I wrong? JJ

[ratheads]

Too fat a front tire makes handling suffer, a real pain to corner.

[jhardy66617]

pain to corner and more rolling resistance and more weight

less gas mileage and more poor handling

and its like 70

[Outatime86]

ABS is a safety net. When you go beyond thresh-hold braking, the ABS has to kick in. Many say they can stop faster than the ABS, that is true because ABS only kicks in when you go just beyond maximum braking. ABS is not the fastest way to stop. Braking as hard as you can without engaging the ABS is the fastest way to stop but very difficult. - On a side note, BMW ABS does not actually lock the tires, it senses deceleration of the wheel and releases the brake.

[ROBBYKINZ]

great vid

[markbackshall]

I have a great idea - why not just tap off and keep well behing the car in front. High tech is just self defeating in that the risk factor goes up, so you go nearer the limit. Read the road and use less hand fulls. Riden since I was 12 now over 60, in every country in Europe, Africa , Aus NZ and parts of USA and done Enduro , sprint / drag . You dont need better brakes if you dont ride like a looney. I rode when drum brakes were rubbish. Adjust your speed to the bike and conditions.

[Outatime86]

True, but random stuff happens in real life and you gotta stop NOW!

[CaneFu]

@markbackshall

"why not just tap off and keep well behind the car in front"

That won't help since studies show that the most motorcycle car / accidents happen because a car turns left in front of a motorcycle from the opposing lane of traffic. The second most common accident occurs because a car pulls out from a side street directly in front of a motorcycle. ABS brakes were invented to account for these situations when a rider suddenly has to go into a panic stop & often locks his wheels up.

[VSUPARHAM]

@markbackshall

I hear your point, but what about when a vehicle cuts us off, or pulls out in front of us? No matter how much space we were giving the vehicle in front, ABS will help us avoid a crash. What about on US highways when a big rig blows a tire and the chunks are flying all over the road. The ABS system will help us stay safer. If i were to use the logic of your argument i could say the same about helmets. Why wear them? They only make the rider ride closer to the edge.

[R3L4X1N6]

tks for this vid! very nice made.. but... can u make a new one... with rain... i think that thats the real thing about abs system... on dry termac i can brake allmost like u did.. and make some skid marks in the processe but at the rain,,, well only with the rear well...any way nice vid..

[asdfg11]

Thank you for the video. I knew the theory, but this is much better!!

[jaimgom]

Such a good video! 5 well deserved stars

[ActiveStorage]

im not discussing anything. im saying that quote "it's way easier to feel ur brakes on the bike than on a 4wheel vehicle"

[ActiveStorage]

i drive fukin kia spectra with NOABS system and it feels just fine. Did have few emergency braking situations on the freeway and look at me! Still alive making useless comments on youtube! xD

talking about bikes.. i dont own any but I bet it's way easier to feel ur brakes on the bike than on a 4wheel vehicle

[stewartx5]

With ABS braking in an emergency stop, bodjo7, one absolutely must pull in the clutch lever quickly to prevent the engine from stalling. While stopping hard with ABS, you're virtually locking up your tires, with ABS the only thing keeping them from sliding by momentarily releasing the brakes several times a second. Those repeatedly locked up tires will very quickly stall the engine if the clutch isn't disengaged.

[bodjo7]

yeah, but only if you're using (locking) rear wheel brake (or drive Honda with CBS - XX, VFR). Personally my european Kawa ER-6f ABS (EX650 in US) doesn't stall the engine so it doesn't need to pull the cluch before the bike stops

[Belgianbanshee]

Well, it's nice to inform people about how to brake with ABS. But first learn to 'feel' your brakes so you don't need to use ABS.

[stewartx5]

ABS rarely part of normal braking, Belgianbanshee. System allows one to stop very quickly in an emergency. ABS only kicks in fully during times of very hard braking, with normal braking tactics used otherwise. I've practiced braking hard with my Peugoet Satelis maxi-scooter and ABS does work well. Only complaint is it's slight tendency to grab at slow speeds, requiring gentle touch on front brake when stopping gradually. Otherwise, bike jerks to a stop too quickly - very unelegant looking. LOL.

[aolex]

what speed are you braking at?

[Bshelton18]

so awesome.... my sv would be flying through the air!!

[bikersrule07]

any tech that brings better saftey to riding is good.

most motorcycle messengers who do roughly over 50, to 100,000 miles a year say abs is must... how much more exsperianced can you get. ? how much needs to be said.

[bodjo7]

Pulling clutch lever at high speed is not a good idea, you schould pull it when the bike is slowing and rpms falls to idle level as it prevents from slipping and 'burning clutch'

[Sburv]

Although you are right in saying that you shouldn't pull the clutch lever at high speed. Having the lever pulled, fully disengaging the clutch will not slip / burn the clutch.

Avoid using the clutch during an emergency stop. The engine will naturally help slow the bike with the throttle off. Simply use the clutch to save the engine at the last second, preventing it from stalling.

[buzzz999]

Excellent video. I also have a DL650AK7. Thanks for posting.

[wendelgyutb]

At what time the rear wheel locks? i didnt see it...If someone could put the time...

And congratulations for the work!

[jhardy66617]

the point is trying not to lock it, when u see the wheel change speed from stopping to rolling again youll notice the ABS

[vmanphoto]

Grogroar,

Nice job on the video. This is done very well and most people will understand the benefits of ABS. If you do not get why ABS are so necessary, then you should not be riding. Seriously, this is pretty much self explanatory. Consider the fact that California Highway Patrol has switched to motorcycles with ABS for officer safety. Those guys know what is going on. Do you?

[hateutubepolicy]

i dont see any supersport street motorcycles on the street so looks like it is an option for touring bikes. Correct me if i am wrong but ones you start driving abs bikes and you useto it you will have a problems on non ABS bikes. In ABS you press brakes hard if you'll do that one supersport going fast you died.

[Neil6000]

hateutubepolicy:

You are right, mostly it is just touring bikes that have ABS now with one or two sport models that I have seen. Both my cruisers are older and don't have ABS but I sure wish they did.

In the future I am sure that ABS will become standard on every new motorcycle; but of course the manufacturers will wait until many thousands more have died before doing that.

Things change slowly, and it is the "old school" way of thinking that is responsible even though better tech exists.

[nicoo2k]

Hello Neil,

I'm thinking about buying a BMW F800GS to travel from Argentina to Alaska, and ABS is optional (700 dollars).

You fully recommend me to buy it with ABS, right?

Thank you for your advices.

[Neil6000]

nicoo2k:

$700 is a very small price to pay for an option that may easily save you from having numerous broken bones and spending months in a hospital or even save your life.

If you are going travel several thousand miles there will undoubtedly be cagers that will pull out in front of you. Paying for the ABS option will probably be the smartest investment that you will ever make in your life.

Have a great trip!

[nicoo2k]

Thank you very much Neil. I asked this because I never drive an ABS motorcycle, and I can't understand why ABS is an option if it can save your life... it's weird.

Thank you very much. Definitely I will buy it with ABS :)

[War10ck1004]

@Neil6000 what you call "better tech" is in fact, making braking distance longer

[CaneFu]

@War10ck1004

ABS will allow one come to a stop faster & safer in an emergency braking situation. It does no good to stop quicker if you end up dumping your bike & slamming into the pavement. And don't reply back to me talking about your perfect braking skills & how you are somehow better than human because you're not. While ABS is fairly new to motorcycles it has been used on cars for decades, is proven technology & saved countless lives - ABS is even more beneficial to 2-wheeled vehicles.

[CaneFu]

@War10ck1004

Furthermore the only time ABS will increase stopping distance is on a loose surface such as sand, gravel, or snow in which the wheels can dig into the soft material and stop the vehicle quicker -- and this does not apply to street motorcycles as people don't ride them in the snow or soft sand. ABS will stop a rider quicker on hard dry or slick surfaces - the street. Everytime someone like you posts misinformation you potentially cost lives by discouraging a rider from getting ABS.

[War10ck1004]

@CaneFu but...you're so wrong...just test the CBR...with and without ABS...

You'll see...

Of couse ABS is a good think for everyday riders, but it's not the ultimate braking system...at all.

My english is not good enough to discuss about braking techniques, but, in a dry condition, it will release the pressure, several times, to avoid the wheel from sliping...

It will, every time, make the distance longer.

[CaneFu]

@War10ck1004

"in a dry condition it will release the pressure several times, to avoid the wheel from slipping"

Yes, at the rate of 7-10 timers per second - this is what ABS does to prevent skidding, so what's your point? Surely you're not suggesting that a person is capable of doing this in an emergency situation because they are NOT.

"ABS is a good thing for everyday riders"

Uh...YES, that's the whole fucking point! ABS isn't for pro riders on a race track, it's for Joe on public streets.

[War10ck1004]

@CaneFu Yes it does it very fast, but it's enough, even on dry.

What i mean is, for a new rider, it's a good thing, but, believe me, the feeling is not good at all with ABS system, but any experimented rider, will find it bad on dry tarmac.

Did you tried one?

[CaneFu]

@War10ck1004

I am an experienced rider of more than 30 years and own 2 street bikes - one with ABS and one without out. I hope to god that I am on the bike with ABS for the next emergency stop I have to make. Anyone that says ABS is not an advantage for street bike riding hasn't used it much as they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

[War10ck1004]

@CaneFu May be it's always raining where you live...

[CaneFu]

@War10ck1004

No, you just don't know what the hell you are talking about. Go troll somewhere else.

[War10ck1004]

@CaneFu Lol, you're funny, you answered me first...

I've tested several bikes with ABS, hondas, and bmw, and with all these bikes, the lever feeling was not good, you can't feel anything, the only thing you have to do is to pray for the system to work correctly, if it's your choice, fine, but don't say it's because of people who say that ABS makes braking distance longer that some riders die...

[CaneFu]

@War10ck1004

ABS is meant to be used by jamming on the brake pedal & hand lever which I bet money you didn't do - you pumped it whether you realize that or not. The danger in panic braking isn't so much in stopping distance as all motorcycles stop rather quickly - it is in staying upright on 2 wheels and coming to a stop safely. This is the point that you keep missing.

And the ABS system ALWAYS works correctly and stops one without tipping over. Human reflexes cannot compete with a computer.

[War10ck1004]

@CaneFu Am i speaking about your riding?what is your problem?

I use both, but it doesn't matter, we aren't talking about me!

The fact is, when the road is dry, if you need to stop quickly, a non-abs bike will be better if the rider knows how to brake correctly...

In wet conditions, i agree with you about the fact it's better than most riders.

Just don't say it's the only way to brake well.

And i say it again, try it, in hard conditions (track is the best), you'll see how it is to brake with ABS

[CaneFu]

@War10ck1004

Again you are wrong, wrong wrong. Testing ABS brakes on a track in a controlled situation doesn't mean a damn thing. When ABS is always superior to human reflexes is when you are cruising along on your bike and that teenage girl,pulls out dead in front of you in her dad's SUV and your reflexes take over in a panic stop. ABS will keep you from over-braking and tipping your bike over in that situation every damn time - something no one can say about their braking skill without ABS.

[War10ck1004]

@CaneFu Yes, but you're then speaking about the rider, i'm only speaking about the system in itself.

But no matter, i've understand what you think, and vice versa...

Where are you from?

[CaneFu]

@War10ck1004

"you're speaking about the rider, i'm only speaking about the system in itself"

An irrelevant point since the rider and system are inseparable in a panic stop situation and this is why ABS is superior. Even the best rider is only human and prone to over braking in a panic stop - ABS is the cure.

I live in the U.S.

[lee4samurai]

@CaneFu My motorcycle is activating ABS at 40km/h, I believe it's quite high.. shouldn't it activate at lower speed ?

[CaneFu]

@lee4samurai

It sure sounds like something is wrong with your bike but that's a question that a motorcycle tech needs to answer. I wouldn't fool around with that any longer but take it in for some immediate service - if the brakes are malfunctioning you are risking your life every time you ride.

[CaneFu]

@lee4samurai

ABS should activate at ANY speed that will throw you into a skid in a panic stop whether the road is wet, dry, or loose gravel - and that could be as low as 10 MPH with the right road conditions. It isn't about speed, it's about not losing traction in emergency stops when you have to to stop in the shortest amount of distance to avoid hitting something.

[lee4samurai]

@CaneFu Thank you kindly for the reply.

The thing is that the ABS of my bike IS activating, but not under 40 km/h... above it starts functioning... it's very very weird.

[CaneFu]

@CaneFu

Let me sum it up this way before you reply again with some more nonsense...

ABS brakes are by far and away the best way to go for people that ride motorcycles on public streets and highways in everyday situations. If you disagree with this you are simply wrong, wrong, and even more wrong.

[alexunder77]

If you have to choose between bike with or without ABS the I wouldn't consider the latter at all. In cars lack of ABS is not so dangerous when you lock your wheels but in bikes ABS is a real life saver.

[alexunder77]

ABS is the best thing to have on your bike. If you have experience then you may stop quicker than with ABS but this is true in a controlled environment (on a racetrack etc.).

In real life a diesel spill, wet road mark or any other thing may cause front wheel blocking and loosing control of your bike.

People who claim that ABS is shitty because they know how to brake are idiots. Other less experienced chaps may listen to such opinions and have a lot of problems because of it.

[Nhecas]

totally in for neil6000 opinion!

abs for the win

[mrradoslaw]

looks a little jerky at times. I guess it would be something you have to get used to.

Also it seems that ABS will be standard equipment on V-Stroms from now on.

I like!

[Outatime86]

It's not jerky

[jhardy66617]

its not jerky, thats the ABS kicking in. it prevets the wheel from staying locked by momentarily releasing the brakes which lets the wheel roll with no forces other then friction on the ground and air resistance slowing it down

it basically keeps its speed for a very brief time before re applying the brakes

this keeps you from sliding either wheel out and either high or low siding neither of which is pretty or fun

its a safety feature that has to deal with braking not the other way around

[Acibeb]

1. I don't trust ABS (my old Civic has it and it doesn't work)

2. You can't block any wheel on purpose with the ABS

[mrradoslaw]

why would you wnat to lock up front wheel when breaking at high speed? no, seriously, i want to know. is there some sort of stunt you do? or is it helpfull when crash-testing your new helmet?

[Acibeb]

Who said anything about the front wheel? And yes, I often deliberately lock the rear wheel, especially when parking... Having the choice and the skill is the fun of riding! And yet there are people like you who prefer to have it all automated. Why not take a train then?!

[JesseGk]

bullshit.

[Neil6000]

Acibeb:

"Having the choice and the skill is the fun of riding!"

ABS can pump the brakes 10 times in 1 second, can you do that?

Is locking your wheels and crashing also fun?

Do you think you would enjoy spending a month in the hospital?

Do you think your family would enjoy mourning your loss because of your stubbornness?

"And yet there are people like you who prefer to have it all automated."

The gasoline engine is more than a small amount of automation, why not automate the brakes too?

[Acibeb]

i ride since I was fifteen - that is nearly 20 years. i also used to work as a motorcycle courier, that is 12 hours, and up to 600 miles a day. i am no stranger to track days, and tour frequently.. according to you, i should be dead, or at least hospitalized?! yet the only time when i lost control was when i was 15. so try to undersand that good riders don't need to 'pump the brakes' as log as they develop near perfect feel for them.

the gasoline engine is automation of what exactly?

[Neil6000]

Acibeb:

"the gasoline engine is automation of what exactly?"

Ignoramus, look up the definition of "automation" and you will see that's what a gasoline engine is.

[Neil6000]

Acibeb:

"so try to undersand that good riders don't need to 'pump the brakes' as long as they develop near perfect feel for them"

The only way to develop a near perfect feel for using the brakes would be to go to the absolute limit with them before losing control.

The only way to know exactly where that loss of control is would be to lose control - and that would mean that you would have to crash to learn the absolute limit.

That's why a human can never learn to brake better than ABS.

[Acibeb]

says someone who admits does not have the skill, the experience and therefore doesn't know how to learn it. and in another thread, showing lack of sense of humor as well.

but you do have an auto-pilot on your bike and therefore totaly know what you are talking about when you say automation.

i didn't realize i'm talking to a child. that's it from me.

[Neil6000]

Acibeb:

Again, you lack the knowledge to understand ABS. Unless you can pump your brakes 7-10 times per second (which is humanly impossible) you can't stop as fast as you could with ABS and that is a simple fact.

Sometimes accidents are avoided by very narrow margins and if ABS allows one, no matter how much skill they have, to stop a few feet shorter, it may save their life.

After 31 years of motorcycling, I doubt that anyone on YouTube has lost more friends to bike accidents than I have.

[Outatime86]

Acibeb is right on one thing. Racers can easily beat ABS on flat dry pavement and they don't pump the brakes.

[jhardy66617]

this is incorrect to an extent, abs allows your wheel to roll again for a brief period, if you can perform maxium braking without locking the wheels you will stop faster then with ABS, ABS saves you if you brake to much but doesnt necessarily stop you faster then without it

[CaneFu]

jhardy66617

Actually you are wrong unless you think it's humanly possible to brake 7-10 times per second - which is what ABS automatically does. You aren't thinking realistically with what humans are capable of doing.

[jhardy66617]

do you not understand ABS also lets the wheel go 7-10 times per second? which means 7-10 times per second your not slowing down, if you can perform maxium braking without locking the wheels up then your gonna slow down faster then ABS which lets the wheels roll up to 10 times per second! abs is a safety feature it saves you when you screw up and go past maxium it doesnt stop you as fast. explain to me why pumping the brakes would stop you faster then holding them(not locking)under maxium braking

[CaneFu]

jhardy66617

It is humanly impossible to beat ABS breaking and if you believe otherwise you are delusional.

[jhardy66617]

ABS braking lets the wheels roll

plain and simple you can brake faster then ABS, but it takes more control then most people have

it has nothing to do with a human pumping the brakes because if they dont have to because theyve acheived maxium braking theyll slow down as fast as possible in any given condition without locking a wheel

ABS keeps you from locking a wheel by letting it roll during that time your not slowing down at all, which you would be doing under maxium braking

[rearwheelslider]

You must not be a good rider....

[CaneFu]

You must not be very intelligent....

[Neil6000]

Acibeb:

If that's you and your woman in one of your videos, then you let her ride on the back of your motorcycle wearing shorts and flip flops.

What a thoughtless bastard you are.

Now I understand your bad attitude towards safety equipment - you're nothing but an ignorant squid.

[alchemyx]

You've been riding for almost 20 years and you still don't have any clue what would happen to your friend when she falls off the bike wearing short skirt?

[drinkchai1]

It bothers me to see those 2 bicyclists on the sidewalk watching you do the demo......move along buddy.

[hussaruk]

Just got my honda varadero xl 1000 with ABS on saturday at 1400 hrs, after a bit of carpark testing I did my first emergency stop at approx 1600 hrs when a bus pulled out on me, after pulling over to stop shaking i realised it was good it happened, its really given me confidence in my new bike. The ABS is amazing, stopped me writing the bike off and probably me too with about 16 miles on the clock!

[twodozeneggs]

The ABS does lock for a split second, it is supposed to do this!!! repeatedly, that is why you get the click click click vibration. You obviously have not done the real research and tried it. The ABS has saved my back side on a couple of occasions. Had my bike of 30 years ago been equipped with ABS, I would not be limping today. Believe me, it works!!!!

[dbauernf]

Great video! I'd like to see more of those.

[thumbwave]

Interesting. You can see as the front wheel lock-up for split-second on occasion.

[jssiler]

Thank you for the tips. The V-Strom has such a loose (a little sloppy in my opinion) front-end. I've never liked that diving feeeling on the bike. My DL1000 is not ABS equiped, but my GL1800 is and there is a huge difference. I can stop the Gold Wing at twice the weight better than the V-Strom. It amazed me how the anti-dive could be so effective.

Good clip. Safe riding.

[pdcouto]

Wich tyres do you have on the Strom? If they are stock they are the Bridgestone Trailwing (wich I think are a bit lousy), they should be worst at tarmac than the tyres you have on the GW.

For a more fair comparison the Strom should have some Michelin Pilot Road or equivelent.

[jssiler]

Fair enough. Tires can make a difference but I think it is just the stock suspension/front-end. I don't mind it, except in heavy breaking. The V-Strom is a comfortable and capable motorcycle. Safe riding.

[c2100]

Thanks for sharing, now I know what I'm missing