CAIR Not Happy Hasan's Islamic Faith Is Discussed; "So What" If He Said "Allahu Akbar!"

[KingdomAwaits]

Allah Akbar, ALLAH AKBAR!

Yes! We'll never know, not god damn clue! God, Chris Matthews is such a douchebag... but nowhere near the levels of douchery as the pigman, Ed Schultz.

Another thing is this wasn't truly an act of "terrorism." It was an act of hostility... act of war... against this flag, this military, and this country by an hostile Islamic adversary embedded in this country. One out of many.

[rodeo179]

Why wasn't the faith of Tuscan killer discussed? double standards! Why wasn't he called a terrorist?

[oxopig]

@rodeo179 because he didnt have any faith, idiot. Nor did the Oklahoma bomber - wasnt Christian though there is compelling evidence that McVeigh had two Muslim accomplices - swept under the rug by the Clinton administration.

[WhiteRose052]

@rodeo179 The "Tuscan killer" never expressed any kind of religious belief, whereas islamic nutcase Nidal Husan did! - even while he was gunning down his own colleagues in cold blood. May be this is the reason why people are talking about his religlious beliefs. Also no one in their right minds would say the "Tuscan killer" was driven by an insane belief system. He was driven by nothing except his own warped mind. Both however should fry.

[rodeo179]

muslims are demonized and hence, the current atmosphere.. you demonize to rationalize violence against them (Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanietc), illegal prosecution, etc

[oxopig]

@rodeo179 makes sense to demonise the devil you retard. Oh youd have us praise the devil wouldnt you.

Youre really intelligent.

[rodeo179]

@oxopig no sir, you are the intelligent one on this board as evident by your paranoid comment. travel and communicate with others. actually, learn to communicate first cuz it looks like stupidity runs in your upbringing.

[nica777777]

He is Happy in his Heart....Lier dont beliv them...all muslims are Happy ..!!!....he is a good muslim.

[Quranite]

Just because someone says Allahu akbar it does not mean that they are religously motivated. Anyone who is raised in a Muslim fashion will use this phrase as a courage-giver whether they are right or wrong in their actions. They may also use it in other ways. But if this guy was crazy so what? If some crazy white 'christian guy'' screamed out Jesus is lord before he did something crazy does that make him a real religious extremist? We won't know untl Mr. Nidal Hassan speaks for himself.

[Wintermute01001]

When someone commits violence in the name of Christianity, his religion is always a side-issue. When someone commits violence in the name of Islam, his religion is always the focus. The people who benefit most from political correctness in the US are the majorities. The whites, the straights, and the Christians.

[AtheistRhypocrites]

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.(Koran 41:6985)

[Quranite]

AtheistRhypocrites. That is NOT in the Quran. Where did you get this from? That is not from the Quran it is from a Hadeeth. Who told you that this is in the Quran? I am a Quranist Muslim and don't support hadeeths. You should either erase this or correct it. It is not in the Quran.

[AtheistRhypocrites]

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (Quran 5:51)

[Quranite]

this IS in the Quran. ANd the word 'wali' does NOT mean friend. It means 'patron', someone whose support and aid you both need and welcome. THe QUran tells those who are Muslim to rely on each other alone, but to be fair, just and friendly to all. Do not distort the Quran.

[azizfawziah]

@AtheistRhypocrites They mean don't take jews or christians as brothers in religion, because they are not or your religion. "And he amongst you that turns to them is of them." it doesn't mean friendship it means to turn to there religion.

[dinavienna]

well it does matter - IF someone shouts "God is great" before killing people, he kills in the name of God. If a guy shouts "God is great" before shooting women or abortion doctors it is a religiously connotated crime.

[kelly6726]

he was a crazy who snapped not a terrorist

[dinavienna]

could be. But IF he spoke Allahu akhbar this hints at him being religiously motivated. That would make his crime a religious terror act, possibly aside personal despair and conflict of interest, or pure loneliness, or experience of harassment by peers. Many terrorists experienced the same - terrorism rarely is built on purely ideological ground.

[sabaw1172]

Nihad, rhymes with Jihad! It was a terrorist attack!

It was a Jihad that took place. I'm tired of this heavy accented-spoke hole for CAIR, that its isolated incident-please...talk to your people in your mosques...STOP KILLING AMERICANS!.beating around the bush!..Religion is the motive...you guys want to fight, fight like men...stop this coward shooting.

[chrisbraly]

CAIR is a tax free non-profit org that Holder supports. If Hasan had strapped a bomb to himself, the 'terrorist or not' debate would be a moot point.

This was the first terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. The Army needs to rethink their 'don't ask don't tell' policies, especially when the suspects have names similar to detainees at Gitmo!

If a sergeant in WWII had gunned down his own men yelling 'Heil Hitler' I'm pretty sure we'd all know how to react. Our president sadly doesn't.

[deveousdevil]

blaming the victim is something i expect more from conservatives, not chris matthews, but what can i say, he's a pussy unless hes arguing with a republican, but once theres a emotionally sensitive muslim bigot, you gotta be nice, wouldnt wanna offend them now would ya?

[deveousdevil]

what utter cocksucking i just witnessed. Chris Matthews go fuck yourself. seriously. the second it's about islam ppl have to shut up in fear of offending the religious bigots.

2nd, though i think all religion is illness, when theres some pro life fanatic blowing shit up CHRISTIANITY IS BLAMED, but not all christians, just like not all muslims now, just the fuckheads like Hassan. CAIR is nothing more than a fucking terrorist enabling group and chris matthews is a pandering jackass.

[YadhiraZ]

To Hasan god was great because god allowed him to kill the infidels.

[TheIpsoFacto]

Terrorists are, indeed, disturbed individuals. That's why Hasan wanted to become an army psychiatrist in the first place. He wanted to influence/brainwash his patients, who are depressed soldiers who just came back from war.

Muslims have done that to convert hopeless/depressed convicts, like Mike Tyson, in jails.

He even posted his support to suicide bombing on the internet, come on... there's must be a religious motive here.

[PotheadPundit]

A disturbed individual who felt was justified in his actions because of his religion.

If it's a bastardised version of islam, then come out and say it. But to act as if religion wasn't a factor at all is simply ignorant. It was a factor.

[TRUTHvsDECEPTION]

This is a double tragedy for me.

One tragedy by it self.

Second shooter religion was Islam.

My condolences with all my fellow American who are sadden by this acts of Terrorism.

I believe shooter was just a mad man.

[azbaldy5]

islam is a gutter religon it preaches hate and violence it should be banned in the united states

[StarDolphin1]

This swine muslim probably said the same about the WTC.

hasan is crafty - when he petitioned for discharge he was acting in pre-meditation for this racist hate crime he pulled off - murdering the white Infidel in the name of islam and cinching omaba's re-election

just like the wtc cinched obama's election.

obama was installed in the white house by muslim terrorism.

[Paulsur]

CAIR is a public relations front group for Islamic extremism and it's members need to be arrested deported to Gitmo, and tried in military tribunals for accerories to terrorism.

[IamInfidel]

Screw Chris, idiot savant. CAIR should be removed from the airwaves and islam should be banned as the cult of death. All that follow islam should follow mohamood (piss be upon him) to death.

[shreddmonkey]

It's unclear Chris??? well I guess you are a deliberate MORON.

Shouting Allah Akbar while he is shooting unarmed people including a pregnant women????

Nahhhhhhh, can't be!!!

[SHMUJEW]

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[SHMUJEW]

sllahu akbar actually means "our god is greater than",,,,that is the actual translation.....and it is used to PROVE in the Primitive mind that G-d is a tribal thing and you should war against all other G-ds, THIS IS THE CULT OF A PRIMITVE MIND and ALL ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED

[elcuco88]

Actually no. Not at all. Akbar is the superlative form of kabir which means great. Akbar means greatEST. The phrase Allahu Akbar is composed of two words only. Allah = The God (as in The One and Only God) and Akbar = Greatest. The verb "to be" is not used explicitly in the present indicative tense and is taken to be understood when a noun is followed by an adjective without a definite article. Therefore the phrase Allahu Akbar means. The God is Greatest.

[elcuco88]

Of course that's a literal translation and is the equivalent of the phrase "God is great." Because when we say God is great, we aren't merely saying He is GREAT, but that He is the GREATEST (and ONLY He since He is the only god, THE-God = AL-Lah) . For one to say "our god is greater than" the statement would have to have a possessive for the word Allah, the word KABIR instead of Akbar with an -an ending, then the word men which is basically "than"--

Basically you're wrong. and you're welcome

[SHMUJEW]

The g-d is Greatest indicates the beleif in a PANTHEON of gods...not ONE g-d....this is the truth of the matter ...that muslims are PAN-THEISTS who do not have their own original document...they have one that is stolen, and perverted stolen from the Jewish Holy Books and perverted to suit the pedophilic mass murdering prophets behaviour

[candidskeptic]

"Allahu Akbar," an Islamic exclamation called the Takbir in Arabic which means "Allah is the Greatest".

If someone someone says "Allah is the Greatest" before murdering a whole bunch of people, YES RELIGION HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT!

"So what?"??? Are you kidding me? Sure it was an isolated incident. But the "disturbed individual" is yelling the that the god of Islam is the greatest before he acted out his massacre! Religion is clearly playing a motivating force for his disgusting actions.

[MisterCrispian]

Listen from 2:06

And then take note of what is said at 2:15

According to Matthews, Hasan was just "being too disciplined" by going on a shooting spree.

[welovesarahpalin]

The only thing we're witnessing here is the Radical Left married to Radical Muslims. Political Correctness Gone Mad!

Thought Experiment: Imagine how Chris Matthews et co would be handling this story if a Fundamentalist Christian had been the perpetrator.

[LordAtrocities]

Chris Mathews is a fucking douche bag. Fuck him. If this shooter were Christian he'd be all over it like a fly on shit. He is a fucking hypocrite and I hope he dies soon.

[muslimwhacker]

ALL muslim fucktards shout "allh u snackbar" before they kill innocent people...fuck this mother fucker...DEPORT THEM ALL!

[wavecats772]

Matthews needs to mobe his show to the Comedy Channel. He can debut before the Jon Stewart Show.

[noiwudnttrip]

Don't want to go to war? Don't join the military. It's a very simple concept.

[StoryBalloon]

Are you really this naive or do you just play an idiot on YouTube?

[noiwudnttrip]

What are you talking about? I'm playing devil's advocate to one of Chris' last statements. I'm fairly certain religion played a role. You want to shut the fuck up now?

[StoryBalloon]

It's a stupid point and if you don't like people commenting on your comments then...well.. don't comment.

[noiwudnttrip]

How is it a stupid point. If Chris Matthews says why isn't there a system to say if you don't want to go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan, isn't that system called not joining the military in the first place. Is that a hard concept for you to wrap your brain around?

[StoryBalloon]

Again. If you don't like people disagreeing with you then don't comment.

:best impression of a baby crying:

[noiwudnttrip]

Explain to me your opinion on the subject then.

[StoryBalloon]

And then?

[noiwudnttrip]

And then I can be enlightened by your brilliance.

[StoryBalloon]

And then?

[noiwudnttrip]

OK, if you're scared, I understand.

[StoryBalloon]

annnnnnnd thennnnn?

[noiwudnttrip]

I don't know, am I your day planner?

[noiwudnttrip]

That's what I thought, just a comment troll.

[StoryBalloon]

You must have a slow and uneventful life if you expect people to respond to you like they are having a conversation.

But, I digress.

And then?

[noiwudnttrip]

LOL, whatever. Is "and then?" what passes for intelligence at the mental hospital you reside at?

But, I digress.

[dinavienna]

Not every citizen nor every military member needs to agree with every war. In fact history of the 20th century puts a burden on Prussian army leaders for having gone with their chief commander Hitler (which is a precarious situation for men bound by military honour - obedience to orders vs. your own conscience is never easily resolved, but less so in the military).

So apparently German generals would have been required to disobey, to refuse war.

I thought the US was bigger on individualism.

[noiwudnttrip]

For starters how does something known now put a burden on things that happened in the past? Time machines perhaps? Should we travel to the past and tell german generals they are "required" to disobey? We don't have a dictator here, there are checks and balances in our government and one person doesn't make decisions unilaterally. Joining our military is a choice for an American and he/she is sworn to an oath of allegiance. It's not just free school and then do whatever the hell you want.

[dinavienna]

Hitler was elected. When he started taking undemocratic measures, large parts of society thought it was against a bigger threat, and necessary. You can see many Americans trading in basic civil rights because they feel threatened. So America may be on the verge of falling into an authoritarian regime just like Germany was in the mid 1930s. Ethical decisions can never be judged ex post - every individual has to make their choices with their own conscience ex ante.

[dinavienna]

Besides a democracy can engage in morally wrong wars - few would doubt soldiers who disobeyed for Vietnam had a case. Ex post it would have been better for your country had more exercised their own freedom of conscience (which besides is a fundamental right like religious freedom that cannot be bid away by employment contracts in any functioning democracy of the 20th century and later).

So yes, if you join the military and later this military engages in a morally wrong war every soldier has the

[dinavienna]

right and even the DUTY to follow their conscience.

No need for time machines - the German generals shouldered considerable guilt. Just like the American ones in wars like Vietnam.

[noiwudnttrip]

We volunteer and sign a contract and then we are under the uniform code of military justice. That means you have to live by different rules than average citizens throughout service. People that join know this, you obviously don't. There is no conscientious objection for non-draftees. Our army is constantly deployed, every soldier gets deployed also. Quit acting like you know something about our military. Quit trying to defend some sick jihadi.

[lucentedg]

These guys are awesome. They are killing us as fast as we can, and we spend massive resources and time apologizing for them as they do it. We cannot even generate one shred of outrage that we are being slaughtered. All the outrage is directed towards those being slaughtered for daring to mention the reasons. They kill us and laugh as they do it knowing we will only hate ourselves more, instead of them.