Battle of Chancellorsville Part Two, The Wounding of Jackson

[KyleBarlow93]

If StoneWall Jackson wasn't killed, the Confederates would have won the war.

[projectbrumaire]

6:00 for the reason why we aren't the Confederate States of America

[MrMrgen]

omg, it was General "Larry"'s troops who shot Jackson...

[hollywoodwerewolf]

no blood, no gore, fake beards, Stephen Lang weighing down every scene he's in (at least to me) and don't get me started on how flat the acting style of whichever London twin that is.....

[buccephalus2011]

to take them when encamped to sweep them up - to show such initiative - to attack fast and not wait - to see the opportunity and take it - only jackson amazing !!! such risk and he paid though too bad

[Shafeone]

Who are all these fat guys pretending to be Civil War soldiers?

[innit27]

maybe if they ducked just before they shot they wouldnt get hit

its all a bit gay

[AUG351]

"Any victory would be dear at such a price."

Robert E. Lee, on the death of Stonewall Jackson

[pitatapiu]

"General, lie quiet, or you most certainly be killed"

[longof99]

why did men continue to run in the face of bullets flying at them? was it about honor?

[seth15100]

@longof99 it was called courge they new men had to die to win and that going out there 1 by 1 would never win so they formed rankes and charged and if there was a volly amied at you you just kept going because if you died you died for you country and comrads......something modern day armies will never under stand.

[longof99]

@seth15100 Thank you...that was a great answer...

[robbiesmile3]

I'd always admired Union General Oliver O. Howard. Why was his encampment so poorly guarded?

[seth15100]

@robbiesmile3 because he was a yankee fool who new nothing about warfare and im not saying this as a proud southerner i love the confederacy and im from Indiana

[Shafeone]

This battle is often portrayed as a great Southern victory but really it was more about Lee extricating himself from a tough spot...and he got very lucky along the way. But his cost in infantry, 13,000 was severe. These were men that he could barely replace by casting out for reinforcements all down the eastern seaboard. He invaded PA with not many more footsoldiers than were at Cville. He lost Jackson. And the AoP was fine after the battle. A phyrric victory at best...hardly a smasher.

[TheLoyalOfficer]

@Shafeone Luck also played a role. Union General Hooker was almost hit by a cannon ball which put him in a daze for most of the battle. His (understandable) lack of leadership at the critical juncture also hurt the Union during the battle.

[Shafeone]

@TheLoyalOfficer Absolutely this played a key factor. Hooker was concussed by a pillar knocked by aa shell right at the crucial time midday May 5 just as Lee was taking punishing losses and both Couch and Meade realized that the AoNVA was dangerously divided and could exploit the gap that the Rebs were desperately trying to close. But Hooker was too dazed to give coherent orders, yet too conscious to relinquish command. Lee got very lucky. May 5 1863 was the second bloodiest day of the war.

[aspect974]

@TheLoyalOfficer Hooker was a failure throughout the battle. He halted his army in the Wilderness and let it sit there for a day while the Rebels marched around for their big flank attack, and ignored rumors of enemy troops on his right flank. After Jackson's big attack, the AoP had a council of war. ALL of the Union corps commanders advocated standing ground and counterattacking. Hooker overrode them and ordered a retreat.

[TheLoyalOfficer]

@aspect974 Fair enough. Far be it for me to defend Joe Hooker.

He was pretty lame.

[hollywoodwerewolf]

@TheLoyalOfficer two good things he did for the Army of the Potomac: institute the Badge system, where each corps, division and brigade had its own badge, to make it easier to identify the army on the battlefield, and he allowed prostitutes to visit the camps. Made the men happy until they caught something....

[snakes3425]

@Shafeone

The goal of the Gettysburg Campagn was to deliver that knock out blow, Lee hoped that by wining a big victory in the North he could weaken the resolve of the Northern population and force the Union to seek an armistice his real target was Harrisburg the site of a major Union Supply Depot, but a foriging party ran into the Union Army at Gettysburg. The victories that weren't the knock out blow Lee wanted cost him resources and manpower, especally veteran forces for little gain

[jackasskidzify]

6:07 R.I.P. the Confederay

[RegDawg101]

so was the gun battle friendly fire?

[snakes3425]

@RegDawg101

Yes, it was dark and Jackson's party ran into a Confederate patrol and in the darkness they couldn't tell if they were Union or Confederate

[IronBrig4]

This movie was pure Southern hagiography... and boring.

[novakmast21]

@IronBrig4 I know. I think Turner pictures needs to stop making civil war movies because he did the same thing in the movie Gettysburg. He made the south look like smart people and they were so generous to black people. *sarcasm*

[Shafeone]

@novakmast21 Turner is based in Atlanta. What do you expect?

[novakmast21]

@Shafeone ya i know i hate to admit it

[Colton8646]

@novakmast21 The American Civil War was not about slavery.

[novakmast21]

@Colton8646 I know it was just a little about slavery, it was mostly just political views and different rights that they wanted

[Shafeone]

@novakmast21 The right to do what?

[novakmast21]

@Shafeone just live the way they wanted to live

[Shafeone]

@novakmast21 And upon what institution was the foundation upon which their cherished "way of life' was constructed? I'll give you a hint...they called it their "peculiar institution." So I ask a again, the right to do what exactly? When someone says they're fighting for their "rights" I assume it means it the right to do something yes?  So what was it? (It's okay, you can say it. Jefferson called it the 'death knell' of the union way back in 1820).

[Shafeone]

@novakmast21 Yeah. And getting pregnant is just "a little about having sex." LOL. Keep whitewashing my man. The "Lost Cause" and Jubal Earley mentality need minds like yours.

[stellalouise1]

@novakmast21 "he made the south look like smart people...." Who told you that there were/are no "smart people in the south? These movies were about Jackson (a very smart person) in Gods & Generals and "smart people" in Gettysburg on both sides. Your objection is that "smart people" in the south were depicted accurately? Are you KIDDING ME? Are you some kind of bigot? Do you know no people from the south? Do you not get out much? Drink much Kool-Aid when told to?

[IvanBeSerious]

How ironic, until the death of Jackson...the CSA proved they werent all inbred-rednecks

Its a shame then that a small regiment of idiots decided to shoot one of their best generals and likely changed the course of the war..

/golfclap

"Just beacause its pitch black doesnt mean that everything that moves out there is a damn yankee"

[Colton8646]

@IvanBeSerious What a racist prick you are. What about Fredericksburg and Cold Harbour, it is evidenced throughout the Civil War that despite having less men, less supplies and not as efficient weapons. the South were the superior army.

[catsareweapons]

@IvanBeSerious Even if Jackson had survived, he couldn't have prevented a Union victory. The South's resources were extremely limited, Jackson would've eventually just run out of men.

[IvanBeSerious]

@catsareweapons We will never know for sure. But personally I think that IF jackson had been present at Gettysburg, the outcome would surely been alot different.

But like you said, the South didnt have the economic means or the manpower to keep fighting a prolonged war.

[LegoRepublicese]

@catsareweapons You're right. NO matter how many battles you won, you will lose the war because they Union won battles on the West and I think the Union is trying to draw alll South's best commanders on East so that they can gain more victories on the west and gain vicksburg. The Union has more resources than the South and did they master plan.

[myhome123ful]

wow that's why stonewall got shot by his own men

[WHickox83]

Only in a Civil War movie do you get stirring music when the bad guys win the battle!

[sjbaseball6]

@WHickox83 the south werent the bad guys

[Colton8646]

@WHickox83 Bad guys? You fucking joke the South were not the bad guys.

[StevenVerd]

Damn, I want to slap those nervous a-hole Confederate pickets who shot down Gen. Jackson.

[CrazyShakaZulu]

Divine Providence!

[wmpope100]

@adam1234911 Yes, Name is: Death of Stonewall Jackson: Part 3 of Battle of Chancellorsville

[emorph]

its too bad this movie is under appreciated. this whole damn scene has oscar written on it. "hold your fire these are your own men here! It's a lie pour it into em boys!"

[spoukas]

We will cut them off general!

[mawyera24]

My professor was the lead adviser on this he talks about it all the time

[battlestar9]

This battle was the high point and low point of the Confederacy. It was their greatest victory due to Jackson's flank attack but it was also their greatest defeat due to his death. Had he lived this would be a different country today.

[44foggell]

my uncle was in this movie

[markmason1000]

Figures General Hancock could steady the line.Probably the one of the best officers in the Union army "General it isn't safe for you"

"sometimes a corp commanders life doesn't matter"

[demeandr121]

@markmason1000 Actually, it was "General please get down we cannot spare you." "There are times when a corps commanders life dose not count." But you were close.

[markmason1000]

@demeandr121 ah my bad

[markmason1000]

before anybody says anything foolish remember the Army of the Potomac was just as brave as any rebel army,how many times was it defeated and how many times did it get back up again to give the rebellion hell?

[rohirrim90]

@markmason1000 Shelby Foote has even said, and I agree with this, that the Union troops at Fredericksburg were the bravest units in the war, you'd have to be to be able to charge Marye's Heights time and time again on the same day.

[markmason1000]

@rohirrim90 my god I accidentally hit the down button my bad

[rohirrim90]

@markmason1000 It's alright, your previous comment more than made up for it (very funny).

[Shafeone]

@markmason1000 George Pickett said it well when he was asked why his charge at Gettysburg failed: "I think the Union Army had something to do with it."

[nythreefer]

lololol...sure whatever u say, the north tried to bait the south into a war. thats y they scrambled to find a compromise to avoid war after the election. sorry buddy, u've been giving me mediocre arguments at best. try and spin it anyway way u want but after all is said and done the very obvious fact remains that if the south did not shoot first there would be no war. this was a war of the south's making, deal with it.

[markmason1000]

@nythreefer nah the secessionists started the mess when they fired on the star of the west Jeff Davis knew there was on food on it but he ordered the shore batteries to open up on it because letting a federal ship into the harbor would "diminish" the sovereignty of the Confederacy.General Sherman probably said it best after a group of women approaced him asking why he burned down columbia "I didn't burn down your city and neither did my men your husbands brothers and sons started it when they 

[markmason1000]

@markmason1000 on fort Sumpter

[nythreefer]

@markmason1000 lol yeah thats a good line....,he did kinda burn atlanta tho, but eh war is war.

[TroutDancert]

If you South haters would clean up your language someone might just listen to you. But politically correct people, especially Yankees don't know any other language but profanity.

[XxxWinterWarsxxX]

fuck all you that disgrace jackson and the confederate memory! This is the hatred that started the civil war in the first place!!!

[nythreefer]

@XxxWinterWarsxxX yes i remember reading that in a text book. The civil war started because youtube users insulted General Jackson and the south simply would not stand for such disrespect.. o no wait, it started cuz they wouldn't give up their slaves and threw a little hissy fit when Lincoln won the election. u fucking idiot. Please try to argue the North started this please. u have no idea how dumb u'll look if try that shit.

[TheQuadStuff]

@nythreefer

Actually you're the one wrong here.

The union wanted to abolish slavery but the south heavily depeneded on it but when Lincoln wont the election and the "rebels" rebeled the U.S it was cause they didnt want cahnge cause if the slaves were gone basicly the souths economy would be gone and no one would want that except the north. cause the osuth sent literally tons of letters of demands dating back as early as 1820 so in actuality it was the U.S fault cuase they didnt listen.

[nythreefer]

@TheQuadStuff hm think thats a bit opinionated it could go either way. thats sort of like saying al quaida and the taliban didn't start the war in afganistan we did by maintaining a presence their. Any rule change no matter how big or small is going to upset some people. but u compromise or work it out, u dont pack up and leave cuz u didn't get ur way. also the civil war didn't start overnight. like u said this goes back to 1820 which means they had 30 years to prepare for a non slave economy.

[TheQuadStuff]

@nythreefer its not really opiniated its the truth the north wanted the south get rid of there slavery that the south depended so heavliy on but the south didnt and the south sent letters of demand to the north and they didnt listen so in fact the south succuded from the union (which alows them to under the constitution cause if basicly says that if the people are opressed the PEOPLE have the right to LEAVE the union) so basicly the north didnt listen and the south didnt listen

[nythreefer]

entirely opinionated and completely ignorant. simply stating they wont abolish slavery does not absolve them of blame. you do know lincoln did everything to appease them and offered to let them continue slavery right? obviously not otherwise u wouldn't say the south did not start this which means u also dont know what the corwin amendmen is. and im just wondering how firing the first shots of the war unprovoked is not their fault. did the union threaten invasion? um no, there was no threat

[TheQuadStuff]

@nythreefer Sir you do not know your civil war both sides of the war thoguht they weree each bluffing till the confederates bombed and toke fort sunder and then the union had to re act to the situation. And if you known your civil war youd realize that te civil war has started BEFORE lincoln ever made it into office yes he did try to appease them but the confederates had to show they were being serious case the union toke this "rebellion" as a joke until most of the southern states and W.V rebel

[nythreefer]

@TheQuadStuff ur sumter argument is just flat out dumb. the union raised a sizable army only after the south fired on fed troops. so what exactly was their bluff? The north did everything it could to solve this without blood through thte political system defined by the constitution. and in return they received cannon shells. the south sent a clear signal they had no wish to compromise, only to fight. so again, how exactly did the north start this war?

[TheQuadStuff]

@nythreefer The union that the rebellion was a bluff and the south thought the union was bluffing since they had really no army. that was both sides bluff

[nythreefer]

@TheQuadStuff and get that bluffing idea outta ur head, step back and look at that objectively and u'll see how unintelligent that argument is. even if it was true it still doesnt change anything. they fired on a military base unprovoked, it makes no difference whether or not the north thought they'd go through with it. so ur saying b/c the north didnt believe the south would start a war makes it their fault? how does that logic work? ur ignoring fact and just being stubborn so im done.

[TheQuadStuff]

@nythreefer There is no bluffing idea at the time before the Civil war their armys were at best militia but thats a differnt story. and also i never said said it was the south fault they wanted rebellion and change so since the union didnt take this rebel threat serious they knew they needed to ante up so they attacked Fort Sunder then they attacked several Gun smiths and toke all their supplies so they can start making guns for them selves guns and so then Union called apon the army of the mil

[TheQuadStuff]

@nythreefer And simple stated fact why troll history? is my next question also what i said in my last previous post about a couple days ago is true The South wanted rebelllion and so forth but if you realize the south should of won with out war simply cuase the constitution gives the right for ANY state to succeed from the Union on any grounds like High taxes for be a good example though i would of fought for the north to keep the union as one you obviously dont see the part

[Regnal64]

@nythreefer There`s no doubt. Lincoln send a fleet of supply ships to the well known fort. He was clever and unscrupulous enough to know that the south would react on this provocation with an act of war. And so the bombardement at this well known day started. At last he was inspired from the will to save the union

at the expense of hundredthousands of americans. God be merciful to his criminal mind.

[bh5496]

@Regnal64 i'm pretty sure Presedent Lincoln wasn't a criminal mastermind

[markmason1000]

@bh5496 no he was,he fought Superman several times especially after Jefferson Davis joined the Justice League.Haven't you read the comic?

[gobabygo90809]

epic fail on jackson. its what you get for betraying the united states

[mrose1506]

I'm happy that they killed the osama bin laden of their time. Death to all confederates from 1861 to today. I could watch this all day.

[ultradumbass]

friendly fire is really sad and as time goes on friendly fire is more common. for example in the industrial wars, 15% of casualties were by friendly fire. by ww1 it was 20%. in ww2 it was 30%. the korean war was 40%. the vietnam war is the first war where more died by friendly fire. and in the middle east today 60-70% die by friendly fire. most by shells.

[confederatekid3]

They lost stonewall. the biggest mistake made in the entire war. Perhaps if stonewall had lived lee wouldnt have made pickets charge or invaded the north. but alas it was not so and jackson was called home to heaven. The confederacy lost one of its greatest and bravest generals here.

[demeandr121]

at 0:05 isnt that an american flag?

[confederatekid3]

@demeandr121 no demean its not. it looks very similar however but not quite. no it was the original american flag but the confederates took up its use since they considered this a second revolutionary war and I couldnt agree more. and that flag only has 13 stars.

[demeandr121]

@confederatekid3 Wit how can u tell it has 13 stars? U cant even see it.

[confederatekid3]

@demeandr121 Because I do my research. And what other reason would a confederate be carrying a striped flag? You can simply make an educated guess.

[demeandr121]

@confederatekid3 It could have been the STARS AND BARS

[IvanBeSerious]

^^ they seriously needed Night-vision goggles at that time

[chesykin97]

I love anything concerning the Civil War but the battle of chancellorsville was very grave because the Confederates lost Stonewall Jackson and now I understand why they called him Stonewall. I agree with haynes1776. It was very confusing because of the dark.

[lubec10]

What a horrible mistake! I cansee how some mistake like that could occur in the dark. Everyone is on edge and nervous.

[haynes1776]

from haynes1776: Late in the day at Chancellorsville, there was confusion. Units got mixed up with other units. Gen A.P. informed Jackson that they had little knowledge of the ground and Inacurate maps were used. The darkness made both sides nervous, fearing that they might hit their own men. Sadly, Jackson and his staff were mistaken foe Union calvary by a North Carolina Regiment. I also heard that a member of that regiment was so full of shame for what happened that he commited suicide.

[haynes1776]

The Army of N Virginia was never the same again after Chancellorsville. They paid a terrible price for their greatest victory: The loss of Stonewall Jackson and over 12,000 men

[DrStrangebomb1993]

@haynes1776 I wouldn't say Jackson was all that important, sure he was a good strategist but Lee was really the main cogwheel in my opinion. Gettysburg was far worse, 28,000 casualties and the loss of many skilled subofficers and officers such as Armistead. Chancellorsville was a good victory in my opinion, and unlike Gettysburg against overwhelming odds.

[Cionaodh57]

@DrStrangebomb1993 Read Bevin Alexander's _How The South Could Have Won The Civil War_, New York: Crown Publishers, 2007. Jackson was the true genius, north or south, for innovative and decisive tactics. Lee was innovative, but more a traditionalist. Jackson knew that head to head Southern armies could not defeat a foe with superior numbers; Lee by contrast continued to rely on the frontal assault, as at Gettysburg.

[360Nomad]

@haynes1776 Chancellorsville was a tactical victory at best. General Lee overall goal was to destroy the Army of the Potomac. An objective that was next to impossible at best.

[Eddyisrich403]

WHO IS THE DIPSHIT WHO GAVE THE ORDER TO THE 18TH NORTH CARALINIA TO FIRE!

[360Nomad]

@Eddyisrich403 Brigadier General John D. Barry

[Eddyisrich403]

@360Nomad I'll go to a reenactment and kick his ass

[edyoung44]

@360Nomad he needs to get his ass whooped for that i mean isnt that treason firing against their own men.

[360Nomad]

@edyoung44 Well Jackson did ride ahead of his men, at night, and was wearing a blue overcoat similar to the Union uniform when he was shot. Jackson's death was the result of his own recklessness.

[edyoung44]

@360Nomad so he was his own death of him, and i bet that general was put to death that shot all those men of the confederacy. like im for the union but that incident really made me feel sad for them