Like the mail horses of years past they know the routine. OK, this is where we stop for the tourists to look around, now where are my oats? Come on now, I'm waiting.... He looks content and well cared for.
The horse was given oats so it wouldn't walk away while the driver was helping the passengers down. Did you see it turn it's head to the driver as he was getting down? He was expecteing/waiting for his treats!
So you've never sweat before?? My thoroughbred sweats just standing in the field yet she drinks about 4 five-gallon buckets of water a day. It's normal, it's what horses AND people do! The reason he have him grain was because it was the end of the ride and he was a good boy, not because he saw you with a camera. Stop trying to be an animal cop, and let the horse do the job he was bred to do.
That looked like normal procedure for that horse. Did you see him look to his driver for the bucket?? That tells me that this is the routine. He doesn't look mistreated or anything. In fact, he looks very well cared for. Also, as others have said, sweating is healthy. If it wasn't sweating slightly after that pull, then I'd be worried. Those horses are very strong and are able to pull big loads. One more thing, carriage horses can't move their body from side to side because of the shafts.
im sorry but you are wrong . this horse looks in very good health. their is something wrong with you . im an animal lover. i have owned horses. i think you know nothing about them . cheers from australia . your a moron . and it isnt nice to stir up trouble for people who have done nothing wrong. you should be ashamed of yourself . your revolting . hello from australia by the way.
I thought the same thing before reading your info in your vid, look at him acting like he is rewarding the horse for good work. I would never get on these things, they live in ungodly conditions after dragging on for many hours in 100 degree weather or below freezing. I think anyone that goes on them are either knowing selfish or living in a dream world that this is not abuse.
@brooklynlulu I dunno bout central park horses, but i worked with carriage horses and they were very well taken care of and not abused or over worked.
Gosh I don't see any sweat on that horse. Just because they are sweating does not indicate any mistreatment or overwork. What it indicates is a healthy horse with a normal cooling system. My horses sweat just standing in the pasture. What I do see is a healthy, well trained horse doing a job it was meant to do.
That is horrible. This abusive, outdated industry has to be banned and the horses sent to sanctuaries, instead of "retirement" to the slaughterhouse (as so often happens).
I've been there so many times I can't even begin to count. No I don't live there but I have visited the place multiple times in different seasons. Horses have always been a huge passion of mine so of course out of curiosity I'd always take a look at these guys. I have seen a couple horses that sweat, but nothing ever major. All the horses I've seen are fat and content horses that are loved by their drivers.
HHAHAHA funny. The drivers I saw were substitute drivers, happy to not be bagging groceries. With the ASPCA nowhere to be found, ever (and stop his lying saying they get inspected everyday!) these boys flogged those poor horses over the rutted ground of 59th Street back to the line I had trouble keeping up on a bike made for that terrain.
Shameful, particularly the way one assholes eyes glistened while he counted his money while his horse was in obvious distress
You know, I should show you the pictures of the lame, skinny pony that I saw in Cozumel. The driver was going up and down the street with a small pony (one that I would only put younger kids on) with a carriage that could carry 4 or more. As the horse was going up and down the street, it was extremely obvious how lame the poor thing was. On top of that, it's feet were positively disgusting in over 100 degree weather. Now, I have a major problem with that, not this.
I have a problem with both. The abuse is the same. If you came here and were subjected yourself to what the horses have too deal with constantly, you wouldn't be talking shit on behalf of a guy who makes a lot of money using the horses as a machine.
I am not against a horse earning it's keep or against the carriages which are Iconic NYC, I am against the terrible conditions they endure.
It is punishing for me for a little while, imagine the poor horses
I am not talking shit on the guys behalf. I have been there personally, with my own eyes and my own opinion. So with what I have seen, I can make my own judgement. I have been multiple places and I have seen multiple things. If you knew anything about horses, you'd know exactly what to look for to tell if a horse isn't in good shape. All the ones I have seen are in good shape, which means they are not abused and looked after.
Right and you followed them for the full 9 hour shift, followed therm back thru the dangerous Lincoln Tunnel traffic without any safety equipment, like lights, turn signals or mirrors.
Did you notice that some of the same horses were brought right back out for another punishing 9 hour tour on hard hot pavement?
No you did not. You just talk shit because the effin Lies told you to
Are you that ignorant that you can't read the words that I am writing? I said my opinions are mine, they are not shaped by anyone else's. Yes, indeed I came across those videos but they are just that, videos. At the same rate, they are there to speak out on behalf of their side. Are you there by the horses side 24/7? Are you there constantly to know exactly where they go at all times of the day, how about the week, month? No, you are not.
Lastly, the abuse is not the same, it is VERY different. The horse I have seen in other places are absolutely horrible looking. Skinny, nasty feet, lame, hot as could be. There have been some that have just dropped to the ground out of pure exhaustion. When those horses can't be used anymore, they have no chance what so ever. So yes, the abuse is extremely different because they have no regulations and hardly anyone breathing down their neck.
"they have no regulations and hardly anyone breathing down their neck. "
Same here, it appears the politicians have been bought with some of the $15 million in cash they take in yearly. They wouldn't even discuss it in City Hall hearings nor respond to questions on it
Lying sacks of greedy shit, you are helping to abuse the poor horses
Sadly, it is you who is ignorant, BLiSSFULxFiLLY. These horses are suffering. This cruel industry MUST end.
NY CLASS has proposed exchanging the horse carriages with environmentally-friendly antique electric cars and sending the horses to sanctuaries. It's a win, win situation for both horses and drivers.
I am not the ignorant one in this. I am simply stating that they are not being abused or suffering. If you know anything about horses, then you'd know simply by taking one look at them if they were being abused or not. When I look at them, I see a horse in good health. I see good feet, nice weight, a good eye and a healthy coat. Instead of yacking about this, why don't you all focus your attention to things that are truly bad such as PMU, suicide race, horse-tripping, slaughter?
Respond to this video... Fortunately, Chance's darkest days are behind her. Today, the former carriage horse spends her days freely roaming the lush grounds of a 50-acre farm in Long Valley, N.J. At night, Chance sleeps in a roomy stall that is large enough for her to lie down in and she has unlimited access to hay and water.
Respond to this video... "She's gone from a horse with dead eyes and no interest in her surroundings to a very active, alert, happy animal who loves people, other horses and loves to be ridden," said Steve Nislick, who runs Edison Properties and advocates on behalf of carriage horses. "It took her three months to finally lie down."
"She's gone from a horse with dead eyes and no interest in her surroundings to a very active, alert, happy animal who loves people, other horses and loves to be ridden," said Steve Nislick, who runs Edison Properties and advocates on behalf of carriage horses. "It took her three months to finally lie down."
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY , these horses are far from healthy. Many are old, and some become some infirmed and exhausted, they drop dead on the job. The very act of placing horses in the midst of chaotic, unyielding NYC traffic is, in and of itself, abuse.
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY, Add to that, working 9 hours a day in ALL weather extremes with very minimal restrictions and no enforcement, and inadequate watering and housing, and it is absolute torture. And if they somehow survive this bleak, painful existence, they are often "rewarded" with "retirement" to the slaughterhouse.
If the electric cars were implemented, the drivers would not lose their jobs. They would just drive cars, instead of horse carriages.
It's people like you who stopped the horse slaughter in America and sent it over the boarder to Canada and Mexico. Congrats. We have an overflow of horse, more are being abused/abandoned then ever before, horses sent to slaughter farther away with inhumane methods of everything. So now you want to take away these horses jobs, send them to who knows were because YOU believe it's bad. You need to think of the consequences of these actions because we've seen already what happens.
Before you think I am for horse slaughter, I am not. I am upset by the consequences it created. I am all for these horse having this job because they look good and they look healthy. You get rid of their job, then 300 horses will have an uncertain future, not because of their owners but because this is their jobs also, this is their livelyhood also. So congrats, you figured out the electric cars, but that solves nothing in the end because now you have over 600 jobs lost.
Oct 02 2010, New York — In her former life, Chance worked nine hours a day wedged between the shafts of a horse carriage and wearing blinders.
When she wasn't navigating her way through Central Park and congested Manhattan traffic, the Percheron draft horse was cooped up in a tiny stall at West Side Livery, a stable located in a tenement building on W. 37th St. The cramped space didn't allow for the statuesque horse to lie down - or even move around.
but you seem to think there is only the worst abuse there and speaking without knowlege you become mute. get some real video of abuse. at least others on here have shown some bad but you make things up.
I wonder since this looks like spring and the horse looks like he has his winter coat if he was sweating because of that. not that i can see much from the video how sweaty he was. I have seen horses in spring on a mild day in the pasture sweating with winter coats on a mildly warm spring day.
No he's sweating because he's had to drag a carriage up an incline I have to work to ride a bike up. That's provably the 12th time today. Fat assed tourists and a driver and a carriage up the hill.
These horses are used as machines, that's the problem
@RadioReporter01 hmmm i really think you don't have a clue after looking at your other comments and videos. just curious what is your view on horses doing endurance, showing and such since i see more sweaty horses in that and also horses trainig harder than this? with intensity and kept in stalls and brought out only for training?
@RadioReporter01 BTW been to NYC as i have family there and leave if it is so bad. and why not answer my question about the other things with horses and your opinion. guess you probably have no idea what i am talking about? you can name call and assume but not answer a question.
Been here 50 years. Family been here 400 years. I am thinking of leaving because NYC is now full of foreigners like Stop Lies who seem to think this is a place to pull of any scam that can be imagined.
If it is intolerable for me, imagine the horses, used as machines, driven on pavement and never touching grass or another horse. If you know about them, you know that is vital to their mental and physical health. They are not machines!
Are you KIDDING me?! They never touch grass or another horse?! You are such an idiot. The Stop lies is someone who is actually within the business, unlike you. I do not understand why you'd sit there and continue to say that person is lying when they are giving you VISUAL proof of their horses life. They are not always in the city, they know grass. If I were you, I'd go and be a savior to the PMU horses. Those are the ones who really need help.
Right. Anything stop lies says is bullshit. But let me ask you this: He claims to personally tuck these horses in and they get 9 months vacation , how many eefin horses does he have 5? What about the other 262?
Don't tell me one asshole with a farm and 5 horses shows how well the horses are treated. he's full of shit
Show me all 262 touching grass or be labeled an asshole yourself for falling for such a line of crap
He is showing something that you claim NO ONE does. For heavens sake, these horses have a job and that is more then I can say for a lot of horses. I will admit, there are assholes in everything thing, so I am sure there are a couple in that bunch but I am going to go out on a line and say that I bet most horses are well loved by their drivers. Please give me visual proof of a horse with horrible feet, lame, and skinny. Not a healthy weight like this guy is in the video.
Lame and skinny is not the issue. These horses are overworked on pavement and then back to horse jail for months. So what if one asshole has a farm and 5 horses get a vacation there. The only reason they do is stop his lies runs a B&B in Honduras
Lame and skinny would be the issue. You know when a horse is obviously not right. They'd be skinny because their health would be deteriorating, they'd be lame because they'd be over worked or their joints would be messed up. However, I don't see that! These people have to follow regulations, it's not like a free for all. Besides they have millions of eyes on them, do you think they'd really abuse their horses in publics eye? Nope. I have yet to see that.
What idiot in their right mind would straight up abuse a horse in the public eye? These horses are NOT being abused. They are working, yes, but they are healthy looking. They are fat (fat in the sense that you can't see their ribs), their coats are healthy, their feet are in good shape. For heavens sake, if you knew ANYTHING about horses, you can tell immediately when one isn't in good shape. Lack of energy in the eye, dull/not there expression. I have yet to see that.
Seriously? You think that's a sweaty horse? When a horse is really worked on a hot day, he'll have great gobs of foam coming off of him, and the pavement where he's standing would be saturated with the drippings... And that doesn't do the critter a bit of harm. Strolling around with a carriage and a few people is nothing to a draft horse. Most horses actually suffer from insufficient work, rather than too much.
Uh... Yeah. "Strolling" is a leisurely walk, which exactly what carriage horses do most of the time. They rarely trot, certainly don't canter.
So the horse is sweating a little on a mild day? And you think this is a BAD thing? Compared to what these animals are bred for and capable of, carriage work is hardly work at all.
@RadioReporter01 What PAIN??? I see a fat, content horse. And my guess is the driver put the grain in front of him to keep him occupied. My only criticism is this driver should not get down from the carriage until his passengers are off.
I am so over this YT crap. Everyone thinks they KNOW how the horse is feeling, what hes thinking, etc etc. Its ALL based on opinion crap. Only the horse knows how he feels, and his driver can only try and interpret what the horse needs based on his animals behavior, whether the driver responds accordingly is to be debated. Since you cannot know what the horse is feeling since you are not a NYC carraige horse, just look at the facts. Regardless whether the horses are well fed and watered...
...look at where they are kept, and how they are kept. The caretakers do not allow public inside stables and the majority of the stalls are standing stalls which do not allow the horses proper rest. The horses are worked in inclement weather, and there is plenty of documented proof of that. 99% of those horses NEVER get any turnout, because of the fact that their owners have no land to turn them out on. A very small amount have proof of turning out their horses for a few months of the year.
And if you know horses, you should know HOW IMPORTANT that turnout and interaction with other horses is to a horses mental well being. Any trainer at Riverdale Riding Center or Pelham Bit Stables both in the Bronx will tell you that...and I am familiar with both facilities who provide both turnout and adequate rest for their working horses. And last but not least, the veterinary care and "disposal" of the carriage horses is debated. Since the majority of owners do not have land to retire their
horses, they are mostly sold at auction where their future goes largely unknown but most end up at a slaughterhouse in Canada or Mexico. There you go. Fuck Youtube. Decide for yourselves. I still will never put money in the pockets of a greedy driver.
Go to central park and see and smell for yourself. I guarantee you will see a lame/underweight horse being worked. You can smell a stinky carriage horse 3 miles away, a horse only smells that bad when his living conditions are bad. I run by the police horse mounted unit all the time at pier 76, run by the cops who are riding them, and they do not reek like the carriage horses do.
I see a healthy horse used to traffic and noise. Not scared not being pushed to hard. Just doing a job. Why is excercie such a bad word for animal rights activists
The horse is NOT sweating. At all. If it was REALLY overworked, you'd see it lathered in the stuff.
As it happens, this is a draft horse - a Belgian, if I'm not mistaken. Draft horses were bred to pull loads - and they used to make them pull much heavier loads than these in days gone by!
You REALLY need to pull your head out of your arse, mate, and start listening to people who know a bit more about horses than you do...
I looked for sweat but didnt see much-- what if he was really sweaty?? does it matter?? We sweat when we work too.....he is obviously well cared for- the horse is not intimidated- he enjoyed his grain- hooves looked good- and they stopped on a level area...so where is the abuse? Are you simply upset because the horse is pulling a cart? we do that for fun here ( in town(gasp))...our horses enjoy the time out and exercise- do your research- go to an auction and look for intimidated horses there!
How the heck do you KNOW what horses live in a stable or in town- or what horses go back to a pasture?? You clearly have never seen a horse WORKED before- pulling a carriage all day is not a bad job for a horse. Owners have multiple horses- you bet your butt those horses get days off- you are just a silly person who thinks if the stall is not 12X12 and in the country it must be torture- PLEASE think about where these animals would be if not used for carriages(slaughter), they serve a purpose.
I have seen the stalls- there is plenty of room to lay down- EVERY stable has some form of bars to keep the horses from hurting one another- some indeed have an open space so the horse can poke his head out- but you have to consider that if the aisle has traffic during shift change that simply would not be safe! The bars still allow socialization.
Yes, I am saying a horse, if given the option would rather work part time, than be DEAD! These horses have special training that not everyone can use or needs. I would love to lay in bed all day and not go to work- but I need to eat--- and I would much rather go to work than be "euthanized" because I was useless. Are you a PETA freak ? Do you think we shouldnt have pets period? I think that is what it all comes down to. Horses cost plenty of money to care for. Have you ever had to pay for a vet?
Who is your source? what do you know? Who cares if they make money! ? Horses are still expensive! Vets, keeping shots UTD, FEED, stables/ property, shoes, emergency care, equipment, blankets, etc- Gimme a day and Ill get back to you on the facility names- I dont live there so I had no need to write it down for refrence! I have seen at least one hundred other stables as well- I know how they work and the costs associated- Does my name mean Im a trucker?? Nope. Your name means nothing to me.
PS: One of the stables gets below market rates in a rental from the city. These people don't get summonses but the competition is hounded endlessly (pedicabs.)
The cops told me they don't go after the carriges, even if they blow the light with children in the back.
These people are protected and coddled by a mayor who is a thief, looking to steal a third term with his money.
the horse doesnt even look tired. its a Clydesdale breed, they have been bred for this type of thing. cant you "reporters" get a real job and stop making peoples lives miserable
Around and around for 9 hours and then thru the Lincoln Tunnel traffic? On pavement?
The roads were made of dirt and horses didn't have to go in a circle or stand totally still for long periods of time because riding in a carriage was usual, not novelty as these horses are presented
I remember those days. That's why when guys like you even try to touch me it ends tragically.
You've been warned. I have a state law backing me up, as well as I don't take shit in the street for the very reason I'm not in the third grade and actually have some real strength.
I need it for when guys twice my size come at me with a girly voice while interrupting my efforts to make the drivers comply with the law
just to add to everyones comments. horses wont eat if they are thirsty so if he needed water he wouldnt eat his oats + thehorse knew he was getting food coz he was lookin at his owner for the food before the guy even had the bucket!!! i watched the vid wi no sound on and didnt see anythin wrong. oh and i was amazed at how well behaved the horse was wen the van wi blue flashing lights on went past, good happy horse!!
This is NYC, not London pal. The animals here are not living normal lives. The racoons come out in the daylight and eat pizza, not the rats they were brought in to change.
It's a tough environment and leads to some strange animal behavior. These horses are not well kept and happy, just fearful.
The horse takes the oats becuase he may not see them again.
I'm sure, since you were there, you saw the look the driver gave the cam before he gave the oats, never before given at that spot.
Man, the description is nothing like the video. What I see is a healthy horse, not sweating that I can tell... not even breathing hard. In fact, a skater passed him, he was walking so slow, LOL. Oh, and then I saw the driver pulled a classic trick on the horse - gave him a bucket of oats for a reward..and so he didn't wander off on his own. ;) This isn't horse abuse... and if you want ME or anyone else to believe you, don't lie & also.. get videos of those 'lame' horses. I haven't seen any lame
I am only going to point out that if the horse was not well cared for it would not behave as it does. The horse is obviously in good health. Its barrel and hindquarters are nice and round. It obviously is taken care of.
I own carriage horses and most often, when working or even with a bit in their mouth they will not drink. And if the horse was "sweating" you would want to wait until the horse cooled down to give it water so it would not colic.
OK so the horse is NOT sweating, it is NOT a hot day and the horse would not eat the oats if he was dehydrated . Horses have been eating with bits in their mouths for thousands of years and have neither died of starvation nor given themselves any kind of injury as a result. As Radio Reporter is probably unaware , horses do not have teeth all the way round their mouth, only at the front and at the very back, there is a large (hand sized) space with no teeth which is where the bit lies .
Not necessarily ; contrary to the popular belief of the ignorant ara's, horses do not need to drink water 24/7 indeed if they did they would explode . Wild horses drink twice a day, sometimes once, and captive horses follow this pattern also when left at liberty . A working horse may need to drink after strenuous exercise but as has already been pointed out, this horse does not show ANY signs of dehydration , is not sweating and is not doing anything strenuous.
Tell me do YOU drink every time you go for a walk ? Does ANY human being force water down themselves every time they go for a walk ? Why on earth do you imagine a horse needs to stop and drink every time he walks down a road ? I bet if you had rushed over with a bucket of water, he would've carried on eating his oats .
These horses are just not properly taken care of. I am not against carriages by any means, but when the horses live like this, I am. Apartment building stalls, intense heat and snow storms, no socialization or turnout.
Most NYC carriage drivers do not care about the well being of their animals. They only care about the money being thrown at them by the tourists, as they have a horrible reputation for overcharging. The horse is merely just a machine for making money, and will be treated as such.
The horse is sweating and that's not an incline. It is a big hill that I have to struggle to get the bike up, and the drivers have to use brakes on the carriages going down.
I'm not an ara as you call it. I'm a guy who ministers to the homeless in Central Park and see's what the horses have to put up with.
RR maybe you should make a lot more effort to make your videos show what you say they show because what you say is not what I see in the video. I see a horse walking slowly up a slight incline being over taken with no effort at all by people on skates and pedal cars . I do not see any sweat on the horse ; perhaps its neck is a bit damp ? I can't really tell no matter how hard I look . This video is put up here for people to SEE what you say, so the fact I'm in a foreign country shouldn't matter
Show me a horse with rivulets of white salt drying on it's legs, show me a horse with moisture dripping off its neck and belly; show me a horse with it's flanks heaving like a bellows and it's legs shaking with exertion and THEN tell me how cruel the driver is for not offering water ; untill then you are just talking rubbish.
What? Why does a horse even need to get to that point anyway? Just take care of the poor thing. A little water isn't too much when after 9 hours of work in the intense heat and cold they go back to a stall to wait until they are worked again....no turnout, no time to socialize with other horses, nothing. Just put away and taken out, every single day. AND then only to be sent to auction and slaughter when the drivers are done with them.
You are implying the horses don't get water all day, which is a lie; you are implying the horses work for 9 hours straight which is a lie . You mention extreme heat & cold yet this horse is walking in normal over cast conditions. Your other comments about socialisation and turn-out are based on ignorance of the facts and also have NOTHING to do with whether or not this horse needs water .
I have lived in this city for a year now and have seen 8 lame horses being worked! How can these people CARE about their horses when they are working them LAME.
You are missing the whole point. Why does an animal have to be in severe medical distress for you to care about it? Are you only going to feed your horses when they lose 300 pounds of body weight?
Well, the description I gave was NOT of an animal in distress , which just shows how much you know about horses . Do you even know the medical signs of dehydration in a horse ?
No they aren't, they are signs of having exerted oneself ; my horse does it after galloping joyously round the field; if it distressed him do you think he'd do it ?
Joyously galloping in the field is a privilege that these horses NEVER get. Anyway, if your horses legs are TREMBLING after something like that then you need to have it seen by a vet. That should not happen.
I do not have the time to be arguing with some person who knows nothing about the horses and how they are treated here.
Its perfectly simple; if you want me to understand what it is these horses go through that is so cruel, SHOW IT . Stop showing videos of perfectly happy healthy animals doing normal routine things and expecting people like me to ask you ' where is the cruelty' when we don't see any. SHOW the cruelty, or shut up , because other-wise, we just don't believe you.
Oh well, just keep telling yourself how well these horses live going from work to stall constantly and never have a minute of freedom or to play with other horses. Yeah....keep telling yourself they live in the park too.....whatever makes you feel better.
Actually a horse in distress would never be that calm. Horses are prey so they have the flight or fight response. The horse is a good looking horse that shows no signs of distress. And the reason for not giving a horse water when it is oh-so-dehydrated is because they will drink to much and colic and could possibly die. The driver did the right thing by feeding him.
i see no sweat on the horse and a horse can eat oats with a bit in they are still able to chew. you dont give them grass or hay with a bit in their mouth cuz it can get caught on the bit a choke then oats are just fine.
that is a sorry excuse for horse care. I also hate how these scummy people force their horses to eat with bits in their mouths. I, nor any of my friends or family (who have been caring for horses our entire lives) would NEVER do that. We advise people to not feed our horses or any other horses treats while they are wearing a bit.
And yet the ever present propaganda machine the carriage horse people have has given you a thumbs down
They have an army of trolls using an bag of tricks to keep those who would protest against the horse abuse off balance.
But it doesn't work. I caught them more than once making threats and have called them on it
One such asshole was making noise about one having bothered a little girl until I pointed out little girls aren't allowed on that site and then they shut up because they were busted
The reason people are taught not to feed horses with bits in is because a) the bit gets dirty and is hard to clean with encrusted food on it and b) because it is thought bad manners for a horse to eat while working . The carriage drivers seem more concerned about having a happy horse than a polite one . Shame on you for being so mean to your horses .
shame on me? Yeah, shame on me for taking in rescues and abused horses by stupid people like the person in the video and rehabilitating them so they can have happy lives. Yes. Shame on me.
You gracefully dance around the fact that.....THE HORSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN WATER. Are you stupid?
I don't know why people abuse their horses for money when they could sell me their horses for more that they would ever get from driving horses or slaughter.
that could have been a big mistake , being a driver my self . he should have never left that horse alone on a main hwy like that . gee some people just don't have any brains.......
Like the mail horses of years past they know the routine. OK, this is where we stop for the tourists to look around, now where are my oats? Come on now, I'm waiting.... He looks content and well cared for.
remedyfarm 1 month ago
He forgot his emergency flashers.
metalbeast99 1 month ago
The horse was given oats so it wouldn't walk away while the driver was helping the passengers down. Did you see it turn it's head to the driver as he was getting down? He was expecteing/waiting for his treats!
dragnkypr 4 months ago 4
So you've never sweat before?? My thoroughbred sweats just standing in the field yet she drinks about 4 five-gallon buckets of water a day. It's normal, it's what horses AND people do! The reason he have him grain was because it was the end of the ride and he was a good boy, not because he saw you with a camera. Stop trying to be an animal cop, and let the horse do the job he was bred to do.
iLoveRileyy 4 months ago
That looked like normal procedure for that horse. Did you see him look to his driver for the bucket?? That tells me that this is the routine. He doesn't look mistreated or anything. In fact, he looks very well cared for. Also, as others have said, sweating is healthy. If it wasn't sweating slightly after that pull, then I'd be worried. Those horses are very strong and are able to pull big loads. One more thing, carriage horses can't move their body from side to side because of the shafts.
Apsenniel09 5 months ago
im sorry but you are wrong . this horse looks in very good health. their is something wrong with you . im an animal lover. i have owned horses. i think you know nothing about them . cheers from australia . your a moron . and it isnt nice to stir up trouble for people who have done nothing wrong. you should be ashamed of yourself . your revolting . hello from australia by the way.
planes100 5 months ago 2
You must be crazy. The horse looked well cared for, happy and healthy. You must know nothing about horses.
apprider 6 months ago
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Chopchopchop 6 months ago
I thought the same thing before reading your info in your vid, look at him acting like he is rewarding the horse for good work. I would never get on these things, they live in ungodly conditions after dragging on for many hours in 100 degree weather or below freezing. I think anyone that goes on them are either knowing selfish or living in a dream world that this is not abuse.
brooklynlulu 6 months ago
@brooklynlulu I dunno bout central park horses, but i worked with carriage horses and they were very well taken care of and not abused or over worked.
Seldenta 5 months ago 2
try drinking water while you are running or just after....you get dizzy or tire faster
the horse seems healthy
luthientassard 8 months ago
The horse looks well fed and is not lame. If it was dehydrated it would collapse, dont see the problem.
TheOldHerbaceous 8 months ago
Gosh I don't see any sweat on that horse. Just because they are sweating does not indicate any mistreatment or overwork. What it indicates is a healthy horse with a normal cooling system. My horses sweat just standing in the pasture. What I do see is a healthy, well trained horse doing a job it was meant to do.
seancarm 10 months ago 17
That is horrible. This abusive, outdated industry has to be banned and the horses sent to sanctuaries, instead of "retirement" to the slaughterhouse (as so often happens).
rrrina 1 year ago
@rrrina
You are ignorant. Stop listening to the bull crap this dude posted. These horses are well loved and the driver isn't "performing" for the camera.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
And you are in NYC and have persona;lly inspected the horses to be able to say that?
Or just talking shit from far away. At Stop Lies suggestion?
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
I've been there so many times I can't even begin to count. No I don't live there but I have visited the place multiple times in different seasons. Horses have always been a huge passion of mine so of course out of curiosity I'd always take a look at these guys. I have seen a couple horses that sweat, but nothing ever major. All the horses I've seen are fat and content horses that are loved by their drivers.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
HHAHAHA funny. The drivers I saw were substitute drivers, happy to not be bagging groceries. With the ASPCA nowhere to be found, ever (and stop his lying saying they get inspected everyday!) these boys flogged those poor horses over the rutted ground of 59th Street back to the line I had trouble keeping up on a bike made for that terrain.
Shameful, particularly the way one assholes eyes glistened while he counted his money while his horse was in obvious distress
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
You know, I should show you the pictures of the lame, skinny pony that I saw in Cozumel. The driver was going up and down the street with a small pony (one that I would only put younger kids on) with a carriage that could carry 4 or more. As the horse was going up and down the street, it was extremely obvious how lame the poor thing was. On top of that, it's feet were positively disgusting in over 100 degree weather. Now, I have a major problem with that, not this.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
I have a problem with both. The abuse is the same. If you came here and were subjected yourself to what the horses have too deal with constantly, you wouldn't be talking shit on behalf of a guy who makes a lot of money using the horses as a machine.
I am not against a horse earning it's keep or against the carriages which are Iconic NYC, I am against the terrible conditions they endure.
It is punishing for me for a little while, imagine the poor horses
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
I am not talking shit on the guys behalf. I have been there personally, with my own eyes and my own opinion. So with what I have seen, I can make my own judgement. I have been multiple places and I have seen multiple things. If you knew anything about horses, you'd know exactly what to look for to tell if a horse isn't in good shape. All the ones I have seen are in good shape, which means they are not abused and looked after.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
Right and you followed them for the full 9 hour shift, followed therm back thru the dangerous Lincoln Tunnel traffic without any safety equipment, like lights, turn signals or mirrors.
Did you notice that some of the same horses were brought right back out for another punishing 9 hour tour on hard hot pavement?
No you did not. You just talk shit because the effin Lies told you to
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
Are you that ignorant that you can't read the words that I am writing? I said my opinions are mine, they are not shaped by anyone else's. Yes, indeed I came across those videos but they are just that, videos. At the same rate, they are there to speak out on behalf of their side. Are you there by the horses side 24/7? Are you there constantly to know exactly where they go at all times of the day, how about the week, month? No, you are not.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
Lastly, the abuse is not the same, it is VERY different. The horse I have seen in other places are absolutely horrible looking. Skinny, nasty feet, lame, hot as could be. There have been some that have just dropped to the ground out of pure exhaustion. When those horses can't be used anymore, they have no chance what so ever. So yes, the abuse is extremely different because they have no regulations and hardly anyone breathing down their neck.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
"they have no regulations and hardly anyone breathing down their neck. "
Same here, it appears the politicians have been bought with some of the $15 million in cash they take in yearly. They wouldn't even discuss it in City Hall hearings nor respond to questions on it
Lying sacks of greedy shit, you are helping to abuse the poor horses
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
Sadly, it is you who is ignorant, BLiSSFULxFiLLY. These horses are suffering. This cruel industry MUST end.
NY CLASS has proposed exchanging the horse carriages with environmentally-friendly antique electric cars and sending the horses to sanctuaries. It's a win, win situation for both horses and drivers.
rrrina 1 year ago
@rrrina
I am not the ignorant one in this. I am simply stating that they are not being abused or suffering. If you know anything about horses, then you'd know simply by taking one look at them if they were being abused or not. When I look at them, I see a horse in good health. I see good feet, nice weight, a good eye and a healthy coat. Instead of yacking about this, why don't you all focus your attention to things that are truly bad such as PMU, suicide race, horse-tripping, slaughter?
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Fortunately, Chance's darkest days are behind her. Today, the former carriage horse spends her days freely roaming the lush grounds of a 50-acre farm in Long Valley, N.J. At night, Chance sleeps in a roomy stall that is large enough for her to lie down in and she has unlimited access to hay and water.
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
Respond to this video... "She's gone from a horse with dead eyes and no interest in her surroundings to a very active, alert, happy animal who loves people, other horses and loves to be ridden," said Steve Nislick, who runs Edison Properties and advocates on behalf of carriage horses. "It took her three months to finally lie down."
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
"She's gone from a horse with dead eyes and no interest in her surroundings to a very active, alert, happy animal who loves people, other horses and loves to be ridden," said Steve Nislick, who runs Edison Properties and advocates on behalf of carriage horses. "It took her three months to finally lie down."
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY , these horses are far from healthy. Many are old, and some become some infirmed and exhausted, they drop dead on the job. The very act of placing horses in the midst of chaotic, unyielding NYC traffic is, in and of itself, abuse.
rrrina 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY, Add to that, working 9 hours a day in ALL weather extremes with very minimal restrictions and no enforcement, and inadequate watering and housing, and it is absolute torture. And if they somehow survive this bleak, painful existence, they are often "rewarded" with "retirement" to the slaughterhouse.
If the electric cars were implemented, the drivers would not lose their jobs. They would just drive cars, instead of horse carriages.
rrrina 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY, ... and the horses would be sent to sanctuaries.
rrrina 1 year ago
@rrrina
She says she's been here but I doubt she saw any of that. Tried to tell me how good they have it because 5 out of 200 horses go to a farm.
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@rrrina
It's people like you who stopped the horse slaughter in America and sent it over the boarder to Canada and Mexico. Congrats. We have an overflow of horse, more are being abused/abandoned then ever before, horses sent to slaughter farther away with inhumane methods of everything. So now you want to take away these horses jobs, send them to who knows were because YOU believe it's bad. You need to think of the consequences of these actions because we've seen already what happens.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@rrrina
Before you think I am for horse slaughter, I am not. I am upset by the consequences it created. I am all for these horse having this job because they look good and they look healthy. You get rid of their job, then 300 horses will have an uncertain future, not because of their owners but because this is their jobs also, this is their livelyhood also. So congrats, you figured out the electric cars, but that solves nothing in the end because now you have over 600 jobs lost.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
Oct 02 2010, New York — In her former life, Chance worked nine hours a day wedged between the shafts of a horse carriage and wearing blinders.
When she wasn't navigating her way through Central Park and congested Manhattan traffic, the Percheron draft horse was cooped up in a tiny stall at West Side Livery, a stable located in a tenement building on W. 37th St. The cramped space didn't allow for the statuesque horse to lie down - or even move around.
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@rrrina ur a moron.
shawndw1000 3 months ago
@shawndw1000 , maybe, but at least I'm not illiterate.
rrrina 3 months ago
@rrrina wow..good one liberal freak.
shawndw1000 3 months ago
ummm why was the pedi cab on the wrong side of the road???
SaddleEmmUp 1 year ago
@SaddleEmmUp
Road's closed so anything goes...
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
I feel bad for those horses if I bought one I'd let him just play in the field for like the first 2 weeks I had him
TheJockeygirls101 1 year ago
@TheJockeygirls101
The horses thank you for that my love
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
but you seem to think there is only the worst abuse there and speaking without knowlege you become mute. get some real video of abuse. at least others on here have shown some bad but you make things up.
mlposten 1 year ago
@mlposten
I can't read your unpunctuated nonsense. Banned!
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
I wonder since this looks like spring and the horse looks like he has his winter coat if he was sweating because of that. not that i can see much from the video how sweaty he was. I have seen horses in spring on a mild day in the pasture sweating with winter coats on a mildly warm spring day.
mlposten 1 year ago
@mlposten
No he's sweating because he's had to drag a carriage up an incline I have to work to ride a bike up. That's provably the 12th time today. Fat assed tourists and a driver and a carriage up the hill.
These horses are used as machines, that's the problem
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01 hmmm i really think you don't have a clue after looking at your other comments and videos. just curious what is your view on horses doing endurance, showing and such since i see more sweaty horses in that and also horses trainig harder than this? with intensity and kept in stalls and brought out only for training?
mlposten 1 year ago
@mlposten
You are the clueless one, telling me about NYC when you are nowhere near here and haven't seen just what these horses have to do.
This is a punishing town for me, the horses have it worse.
You are friends with "Stop Lies" and he's clown. The situation in NYC is not like anywhere else. Come see for your self before you give me shit
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01 BTW been to NYC as i have family there and leave if it is so bad. and why not answer my question about the other things with horses and your opinion. guess you probably have no idea what i am talking about? you can name call and assume but not answer a question.
mlposten 1 year ago
@mlposten
Been here 50 years. Family been here 400 years. I am thinking of leaving because NYC is now full of foreigners like Stop Lies who seem to think this is a place to pull of any scam that can be imagined.
If it is intolerable for me, imagine the horses, used as machines, driven on pavement and never touching grass or another horse. If you know about them, you know that is vital to their mental and physical health. They are not machines!
Stop defending those that use them as such.
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
Are you KIDDING me?! They never touch grass or another horse?! You are such an idiot. The Stop lies is someone who is actually within the business, unlike you. I do not understand why you'd sit there and continue to say that person is lying when they are giving you VISUAL proof of their horses life. They are not always in the city, they know grass. If I were you, I'd go and be a savior to the PMU horses. Those are the ones who really need help.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
Right. Anything stop lies says is bullshit. But let me ask you this: He claims to personally tuck these horses in and they get 9 months vacation , how many eefin horses does he have 5? What about the other 262?
Don't tell me one asshole with a farm and 5 horses shows how well the horses are treated. he's full of shit
Show me all 262 touching grass or be labeled an asshole yourself for falling for such a line of crap
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
He is showing something that you claim NO ONE does. For heavens sake, these horses have a job and that is more then I can say for a lot of horses. I will admit, there are assholes in everything thing, so I am sure there are a couple in that bunch but I am going to go out on a line and say that I bet most horses are well loved by their drivers. Please give me visual proof of a horse with horrible feet, lame, and skinny. Not a healthy weight like this guy is in the video.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
Lame and skinny is not the issue. These horses are overworked on pavement and then back to horse jail for months. So what if one asshole has a farm and 5 horses get a vacation there. The only reason they do is stop his lies runs a B&B in Honduras
? I asked about the other 262 horses.
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
Lame and skinny would be the issue. You know when a horse is obviously not right. They'd be skinny because their health would be deteriorating, they'd be lame because they'd be over worked or their joints would be messed up. However, I don't see that! These people have to follow regulations, it's not like a free for all. Besides they have millions of eyes on them, do you think they'd really abuse their horses in publics eye? Nope. I have yet to see that.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
They are abusing them in the public eye and the public thinks it's funny.
Tell ya what, give me your horses and lets see how long they last at this. Then they can be sold to the glue factory
Regulations? What's that? There is no enforcement, no matter how hard lying shit says there is
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
What idiot in their right mind would straight up abuse a horse in the public eye? These horses are NOT being abused. They are working, yes, but they are healthy looking. They are fat (fat in the sense that you can't see their ribs), their coats are healthy, their feet are in good shape. For heavens sake, if you knew ANYTHING about horses, you can tell immediately when one isn't in good shape. Lack of energy in the eye, dull/not there expression. I have yet to see that.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
from far away, you can't see it, shut up already
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
Excuse me? What do you mean I can't see it, the condition of the horse? I can see it, I've seen multiple horses there. So yes, indeed, I can see it.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 1 year ago
@BLiSSFULxFiLLY
What's the matter? Suddenly deaf? Check your page for horse abuse stories in today's NYC newspaper
Good bye, banned for your lies and bullshit
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
It's not great to have horses working in the city but I have seen worse than this.
IndieB3 1 year ago
Seriously? You think that's a sweaty horse? When a horse is really worked on a hot day, he'll have great gobs of foam coming off of him, and the pavement where he's standing would be saturated with the drippings... And that doesn't do the critter a bit of harm. Strolling around with a carriage and a few people is nothing to a draft horse. Most horses actually suffer from insufficient work, rather than too much.
rajvader 1 year ago
@rajvader But it's not a hot day and you are far away. The fact that youy call what these ahorses do "strolling" shows yopu have no clue.
This is not your farm. This is NYC and every thing that come here is punished, whether beast or machine just by the sheer size of the place.
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@rajvader But it's not a hot day and you are far away. The fact that youy call what these ahorses do "strolling" shows yopu have no clue.
This is not your farm. This is NYC and every thing that come here is punished, whether beast or machine just by the sheer size of the place.
And I see your only friend is the "stop Lies" clown That makes you a clown also.
Enjoy the circus....
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
Uh... Yeah. "Strolling" is a leisurely walk, which exactly what carriage horses do most of the time. They rarely trot, certainly don't canter.
So the horse is sweating a little on a mild day? And you think this is a BAD thing? Compared to what these animals are bred for and capable of, carriage work is hardly work at all.
rajvader 1 year ago
@rajvader But it's not a hot day and you are far away. The fact that youy call what these ahorses do "strolling" shows yopu have no clue.
This is not your farm. This is NYC and every thing that come here is punished, whether beast or machine just by the sheer size of the place.
And I see your only friend is the "Stop Lies" clown That makes you a clown also.
Enjoy the circus....
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
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DellaGirl100 1 year ago
OMG a sweaty horse! I bet that yellow pedicab cyclist sweats even more and smells a lot worse!
DellaGirl100 1 year ago 2
@DellaGirl100
Yeah so? What does that mean?
Ignore the horses pain because the bikers smell worse?
And again you are being a moron, assuming what you don't know.
These bikers have to charm the patrons into riding and no one wants stinky.....
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01 What PAIN??? I see a fat, content horse. And my guess is the driver put the grain in front of him to keep him occupied. My only criticism is this driver should not get down from the carriage until his passengers are off.
DellaGirl100 1 year ago 10
I am going through your vids now to form an opinion on this.
Could you do us unknowing a favor and actually show the abuse.
and would you mind also showing us how you interact with your horses.
Please show if and how they greet you at the pasture fence each morning.
What is your horses favorite tickle spot?
I think making a video of this would greatly help your cause.
Please,Sir and Thankyou in advance. your fellow horse love james manley
cody481 1 year ago 2
@cody481
Unfortunately these horses don't do or get to do any of that before they are sold off for whatever they do with broken horses.
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
I am so over this YT crap. Everyone thinks they KNOW how the horse is feeling, what hes thinking, etc etc. Its ALL based on opinion crap. Only the horse knows how he feels, and his driver can only try and interpret what the horse needs based on his animals behavior, whether the driver responds accordingly is to be debated. Since you cannot know what the horse is feeling since you are not a NYC carraige horse, just look at the facts. Regardless whether the horses are well fed and watered...
lmarieaa 1 year ago
...look at where they are kept, and how they are kept. The caretakers do not allow public inside stables and the majority of the stalls are standing stalls which do not allow the horses proper rest. The horses are worked in inclement weather, and there is plenty of documented proof of that. 99% of those horses NEVER get any turnout, because of the fact that their owners have no land to turn them out on. A very small amount have proof of turning out their horses for a few months of the year.
lmarieaa 1 year ago
And if you know horses, you should know HOW IMPORTANT that turnout and interaction with other horses is to a horses mental well being. Any trainer at Riverdale Riding Center or Pelham Bit Stables both in the Bronx will tell you that...and I am familiar with both facilities who provide both turnout and adequate rest for their working horses. And last but not least, the veterinary care and "disposal" of the carriage horses is debated. Since the majority of owners do not have land to retire their
lmarieaa 1 year ago
horses, they are mostly sold at auction where their future goes largely unknown but most end up at a slaughterhouse in Canada or Mexico. There you go. Fuck Youtube. Decide for yourselves. I still will never put money in the pockets of a greedy driver.
lmarieaa 1 year ago
Go to central park and see and smell for yourself. I guarantee you will see a lame/underweight horse being worked. You can smell a stinky carriage horse 3 miles away, a horse only smells that bad when his living conditions are bad. I run by the police horse mounted unit all the time at pier 76, run by the cops who are riding them, and they do not reek like the carriage horses do.
lmarieaa 1 year ago
@lmarieaa
I'm in Central Park and I don't smell them. They just seem unhappy and I know they can't frolic or lay down or interact which is important.
I'm not a horse guy, I'm a cameraman. But I have a heart and I see them struggle.
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@lmarieaa
True that
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@lmarieaa
Very true that
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@lmarieaa
Don't worry those police horses get abused. I'm a crime scene reporter after all so I'm around when they are in use
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
I see a healthy horse used to traffic and noise. Not scared not being pushed to hard. Just doing a job. Why is excercie such a bad word for animal rights activists
linustheferret 1 year ago
@linustheferret
Yeah, all right. More of the bullshit.
I've been fighting another YT war. It's amazing how similar the lies of both are....
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
This fucknut again?
The horse is NOT sweating. At all. If it was REALLY overworked, you'd see it lathered in the stuff.
As it happens, this is a draft horse - a Belgian, if I'm not mistaken. Draft horses were bred to pull loads - and they used to make them pull much heavier loads than these in days gone by!
You REALLY need to pull your head out of your arse, mate, and start listening to people who know a bit more about horses than you do...
DazDaMan 2 years ago
This fucknut again? Remind why you are so important, I forgot.
I don't dispute that horses like to work, were bred to do this kind of work, or anything else.
What I have a problem with is the environment these horses are used to do the same hard task over and over and over, all on concrete.
They go over rutted roads full of scary noises they can't see back to a cell not big enough to lie down in. Driven by drivers who will abuse them.
Used as machines in a punishing environment.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
The POKICE HORSES AND PARK RANGER HORSES DO THE SAME.The horses have box stallsm not cells and you know that.LAIR
animalwrongs 2 years ago
Really? I know about the police horses but this is about you.
It looks like a cell to me. I'm sure you, of all people here know what a cell looks like!
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RadioReporter01 2 years ago
I looked for sweat but didnt see much-- what if he was really sweaty?? does it matter?? We sweat when we work too.....he is obviously well cared for- the horse is not intimidated- he enjoyed his grain- hooves looked good- and they stopped on a level area...so where is the abuse? Are you simply upset because the horse is pulling a cart? we do that for fun here ( in town(gasp))...our horses enjoy the time out and exercise- do your research- go to an auction and look for intimidated horses there!
Skippytrucking 2 years ago
You take your horse out and he enjoys the time outside?
That right there shows you have no clue as to the problem.
I'm not against a horse earning it's keep. It's not the carriage I object to.
It's the daily grind for these por horses. They work in horse hell and then go back to horse jail.
If you treated your horses like this in your little town, there would be an uproar and you would be arrested and most likely beaten.
Don't comment from far away on only what's on a small screen
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
How the heck do you KNOW what horses live in a stable or in town- or what horses go back to a pasture?? You clearly have never seen a horse WORKED before- pulling a carriage all day is not a bad job for a horse. Owners have multiple horses- you bet your butt those horses get days off- you are just a silly person who thinks if the stall is not 12X12 and in the country it must be torture- PLEASE think about where these animals would be if not used for carriages(slaughter), they serve a purpose.
Skippytrucking 2 years ago
These horses go back to tiny stalls with bars. Horses need roo to lay down to get a proper rest.
And if you think these horses get a day off, you are wrong. Not to mention they have been caught double shifting these poor things.
I don't have a problem with a horse earning it's keep, but this is brutal.
And don't give me the old "it could be worse so this is ok" routine.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
I have seen the stalls- there is plenty of room to lay down- EVERY stable has some form of bars to keep the horses from hurting one another- some indeed have an open space so the horse can poke his head out- but you have to consider that if the aisle has traffic during shift change that simply would not be safe! The bars still allow socialization.
Skippytrucking 2 years ago
At what stables have you seen the stalls?
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
Yes, I am saying a horse, if given the option would rather work part time, than be DEAD! These horses have special training that not everyone can use or needs. I would love to lay in bed all day and not go to work- but I need to eat--- and I would much rather go to work than be "euthanized" because I was useless. Are you a PETA freak ? Do you think we shouldnt have pets period? I think that is what it all comes down to. Horses cost plenty of money to care for. Have you ever had to pay for a vet?
Skippytrucking 2 years ago
PETA freak? no, I'm a reporter, I think my name makes that clear
Pay for a vet? These people make $15 million a year, all cash
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
Who is your source? what do you know? Who cares if they make money! ? Horses are still expensive! Vets, keeping shots UTD, FEED, stables/ property, shoes, emergency care, equipment, blankets, etc- Gimme a day and Ill get back to you on the facility names- I dont live there so I had no need to write it down for refrence! I have seen at least one hundred other stables as well- I know how they work and the costs associated- Does my name mean Im a trucker?? Nope. Your name means nothing to me.
Skippytrucking 2 years ago
That fact about the $15 million was reluctantly given by the industry itself at hearings last December.
When I asked the the city's tourist people, NYC & Co to break it down, they hid from me.
All cash, no crds or checks. Many complaints of over charging. Many reports by the city on this.
Check horsesinnyc, I 5hink she has links to the reports.
That's 15 million reported, not counting overcharges, tips and taxes not due but bare collected.
You've seen 100 stables, only a few in NYC
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
PS: One of the stables gets below market rates in a rental from the city. These people don't get summonses but the competition is hounded endlessly (pedicabs.)
The cops told me they don't go after the carriges, even if they blow the light with children in the back.
These people are protected and coddled by a mayor who is a thief, looking to steal a third term with his money.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
bitch bitch bitch, thats all you fucking hippies do.
drzipperhead 2 years ago
And just what is you're here doing little boy?
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
the horse doesnt even look tired. its a Clydesdale breed, they have been bred for this type of thing. cant you "reporters" get a real job and stop making peoples lives miserable
drzipperhead 2 years ago
You may be an Olympic sprinter but if your track is in Hell, you will suffer.
Same shit, different horse.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
im not a olympic runner but this horse is bred for this job , so go bother someone else you greasy paparazzi.
drzipperhead 2 years ago
"bred for a job" True.
"not bred for the abuse" True also.
And I'm neither greasy nor paparazzi. And the last time I checked, it was you that was on my page and you in another country.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
well hopefully one day your crossing the street while im driving my 13 mpg beast, theres a story for you. "why do rednecks drive gas guzzlers"
drzipperhead 2 years ago
Stupid. Banned. Goodbye
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
@drzipperhead exaclty right. what the fuck were people riding before cars?
FUCKING HORSE AND CARRIAGES.
DeadGoodMusic 2 years ago
Around and around for 9 hours and then thru the Lincoln Tunnel traffic? On pavement?
The roads were made of dirt and horses didn't have to go in a circle or stand totally still for long periods of time because riding in a carriage was usual, not novelty as these horses are presented
And you're not even in the USA, what do you know?
Dismissed.....
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
YOU ARE A CONDESENDING FCUK.
You are nothing but a midget moron, any little boy could kick you ass. Remember you school days ?!? he he he
animalwrongs 2 years ago
I remember those days. That's why when guys like you even try to touch me it ends tragically.
You've been warned. I have a state law backing me up, as well as I don't take shit in the street for the very reason I'm not in the third grade and actually have some real strength.
I need it for when guys twice my size come at me with a girly voice while interrupting my efforts to make the drivers comply with the law
HAHAHAH Loser. I'm tired of your shit: BANNED
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
@RadioReporter01
you sad boy. get laid asshole.
DeadGoodMusic 2 years ago
I guess you spend your quality time with the ladies speculating about my sex life.
I guess that means there are no ladies to speculate with because they don't find that interesting
The ladies love me when I speak up for the horses. As opposed to you, the horse's ass.
And you call me sad?
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
just to add to everyones comments. horses wont eat if they are thirsty so if he needed water he wouldnt eat his oats + thehorse knew he was getting food coz he was lookin at his owner for the food before the guy even had the bucket!!! i watched the vid wi no sound on and didnt see anythin wrong. oh and i was amazed at how well behaved the horse was wen the van wi blue flashing lights on went past, good happy horse!!
taznrick 2 years ago
one can supply all the facts to these people until doomsdays and they, with their blinders on, will not hear a word.
desertblbuesman 2 years ago
This is NYC, not London pal. The animals here are not living normal lives. The racoons come out in the daylight and eat pizza, not the rats they were brought in to change.
It's a tough environment and leads to some strange animal behavior. These horses are not well kept and happy, just fearful.
The horse takes the oats becuase he may not see them again.
I'm sure, since you were there, you saw the look the driver gave the cam before he gave the oats, never before given at that spot.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
If it was like that, most of the drivers would be dead, in the hospital or jail.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
Anyone can treat someone like shit. Not just here.
21Sarabi 2 years ago
Man, the description is nothing like the video. What I see is a healthy horse, not sweating that I can tell... not even breathing hard. In fact, a skater passed him, he was walking so slow, LOL. Oh, and then I saw the driver pulled a classic trick on the horse - gave him a bucket of oats for a reward..and so he didn't wander off on his own. ;) This isn't horse abuse... and if you want ME or anyone else to believe you, don't lie & also.. get videos of those 'lame' horses. I haven't seen any lame
EnglishOnly1 2 years ago
The horse is too intimidated to go anywhere, the driver gave him oats after seeing me filming.
The skater passed the horse going uphill and you say that shows how easy the horse had it?
You're a clown
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
I am only going to point out that if the horse was not well cared for it would not behave as it does. The horse is obviously in good health. Its barrel and hindquarters are nice and round. It obviously is taken care of.
I own carriage horses and most often, when working or even with a bit in their mouth they will not drink. And if the horse was "sweating" you would want to wait until the horse cooled down to give it water so it would not colic.
happyphantom83 2 years ago
Fine, but that's not how it happens.
Lucky for the poor horses it wasn't a scorching summer like it usually is.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
OK so the horse is NOT sweating, it is NOT a hot day and the horse would not eat the oats if he was dehydrated . Horses have been eating with bits in their mouths for thousands of years and have neither died of starvation nor given themselves any kind of injury as a result. As Radio Reporter is probably unaware , horses do not have teeth all the way round their mouth, only at the front and at the very back, there is a large (hand sized) space with no teeth which is where the bit lies .
nags2bitches 2 years ago
And by the way, that isn't a hill, it's a slight incline.
nags2bitches 2 years ago
And if they are so concerned about having a "happy horse" as you put it, then the jackass should have been giving the horse WATER.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
Not necessarily ; contrary to the popular belief of the ignorant ara's, horses do not need to drink water 24/7 indeed if they did they would explode . Wild horses drink twice a day, sometimes once, and captive horses follow this pattern also when left at liberty . A working horse may need to drink after strenuous exercise but as has already been pointed out, this horse does not show ANY signs of dehydration , is not sweating and is not doing anything strenuous.
nags2bitches 2 years ago
Tell me do YOU drink every time you go for a walk ? Does ANY human being force water down themselves every time they go for a walk ? Why on earth do you imagine a horse needs to stop and drink every time he walks down a road ? I bet if you had rushed over with a bucket of water, he would've carried on eating his oats .
nags2bitches 2 years ago
These horses are just not properly taken care of. I am not against carriages by any means, but when the horses live like this, I am. Apartment building stalls, intense heat and snow storms, no socialization or turnout.
Most NYC carriage drivers do not care about the well being of their animals. They only care about the money being thrown at them by the tourists, as they have a horrible reputation for overcharging. The horse is merely just a machine for making money, and will be treated as such.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
The horse is sweating and that's not an incline. It is a big hill that I have to struggle to get the bike up, and the drivers have to use brakes on the carriages going down.
I'm not an ara as you call it. I'm a guy who ministers to the homeless in Central Park and see's what the horses have to put up with.
You are in a foreign country talking shit
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
RR maybe you should make a lot more effort to make your videos show what you say they show because what you say is not what I see in the video. I see a horse walking slowly up a slight incline being over taken with no effort at all by people on skates and pedal cars . I do not see any sweat on the horse ; perhaps its neck is a bit damp ? I can't really tell no matter how hard I look . This video is put up here for people to SEE what you say, so the fact I'm in a foreign country shouldn't matter
nags2bitches 2 years ago
Show me a horse with rivulets of white salt drying on it's legs, show me a horse with moisture dripping off its neck and belly; show me a horse with it's flanks heaving like a bellows and it's legs shaking with exertion and THEN tell me how cruel the driver is for not offering water ; untill then you are just talking rubbish.
nags2bitches 2 years ago 2
What? Why does a horse even need to get to that point anyway? Just take care of the poor thing. A little water isn't too much when after 9 hours of work in the intense heat and cold they go back to a stall to wait until they are worked again....no turnout, no time to socialize with other horses, nothing. Just put away and taken out, every single day. AND then only to be sent to auction and slaughter when the drivers are done with them.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
You are implying the horses don't get water all day, which is a lie; you are implying the horses work for 9 hours straight which is a lie . You mention extreme heat & cold yet this horse is walking in normal over cast conditions. Your other comments about socialisation and turn-out are based on ignorance of the facts and also have NOTHING to do with whether or not this horse needs water .
nags2bitches 2 years ago
I have lived in this city for a year now and have seen 8 lame horses being worked! How can these people CARE about their horses when they are working them LAME.
lmarieaa 2 years ago 2
You are missing the whole point. Why does an animal have to be in severe medical distress for you to care about it? Are you only going to feed your horses when they lose 300 pounds of body weight?
lmarieaa 2 years ago
Well, the description I gave was NOT of an animal in distress , which just shows how much you know about horses . Do you even know the medical signs of dehydration in a horse ?
nags2bitches 2 years ago
heaving and trembling legs are distress dumbass.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
No they aren't, they are signs of having exerted oneself ; my horse does it after galloping joyously round the field; if it distressed him do you think he'd do it ?
nags2bitches 2 years ago
Joyously galloping in the field is a privilege that these horses NEVER get. Anyway, if your horses legs are TREMBLING after something like that then you need to have it seen by a vet. That should not happen.
I do not have the time to be arguing with some person who knows nothing about the horses and how they are treated here.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
Its perfectly simple; if you want me to understand what it is these horses go through that is so cruel, SHOW IT . Stop showing videos of perfectly happy healthy animals doing normal routine things and expecting people like me to ask you ' where is the cruelty' when we don't see any. SHOW the cruelty, or shut up , because other-wise, we just don't believe you.
nags2bitches 2 years ago
They do not let the public inside the stables. A horse cannot get proper turnout and socialization in the CITY. Its common sense.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
Wait, are you one of those ignorant kind of people who think the horses live pretty lives in the heart of Central Park? You sure should like it.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
Oh well, just keep telling yourself how well these horses live going from work to stall constantly and never have a minute of freedom or to play with other horses. Yeah....keep telling yourself they live in the park too.....whatever makes you feel better.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
Dehydration!? Why does the damn horse have to be dehydrated before you give it any water?
lmarieaa 2 years ago
Actually a horse in distress would never be that calm. Horses are prey so they have the flight or fight response. The horse is a good looking horse that shows no signs of distress. And the reason for not giving a horse water when it is oh-so-dehydrated is because they will drink to much and colic and could possibly die. The driver did the right thing by feeding him.
baskin64 1 year ago
@baskin64
I think a sweaty horse made to pull up hill could use a little water. He didn't seem to go for the oats
I understand about the colic but these horses are used as machines,in constant service. When do you water them?
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
@RadioReporter01
You should water them after they have had a cool-down. Walk them around a
little and let the heart rate slow. If they are in constant service, then the horses should know.
baskin64 1 year ago
@baskin64
That is true and never happens. They are in constant service an then put into horse jail.
That is the main complaint, they are used as if they were machines
RadioReporter01 1 year ago
Basically he/she is classifying all NYC carriage owners as bad. Not true though
21Sarabi 2 years ago
And you, being in the suburbs of Kansas City, just happen to know that because you've met all these drivers personally?
Or just talking shit like he rest of the 20 somethings in the USA dribbling crap on YT?
Check horsesinnyc for a few vids of how the drivers treat a lady.
I'm sure if you came here and were called a c%nt by these guys you would wake up to who these people are and how they treat their horses.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
i see no sweat on the horse and a horse can eat oats with a bit in they are still able to chew. you dont give them grass or hay with a bit in their mouth cuz it can get caught on the bit a choke then oats are just fine.
HorseDiva20 2 years ago
that is a sorry excuse for horse care. I also hate how these scummy people force their horses to eat with bits in their mouths. I, nor any of my friends or family (who have been caring for horses our entire lives) would NEVER do that. We advise people to not feed our horses or any other horses treats while they are wearing a bit.
lmarieaa 2 years ago
And yet the ever present propaganda machine the carriage horse people have has given you a thumbs down
They have an army of trolls using an bag of tricks to keep those who would protest against the horse abuse off balance.
But it doesn't work. I caught them more than once making threats and have called them on it
One such asshole was making noise about one having bothered a little girl until I pointed out little girls aren't allowed on that site and then they shut up because they were busted
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
The reason people are taught not to feed horses with bits in is because a) the bit gets dirty and is hard to clean with encrusted food on it and b) because it is thought bad manners for a horse to eat while working . The carriage drivers seem more concerned about having a happy horse than a polite one . Shame on you for being so mean to your horses .
nags2bitches 2 years ago
shame on me? Yeah, shame on me for taking in rescues and abused horses by stupid people like the person in the video and rehabilitating them so they can have happy lives. Yes. Shame on me.
You gracefully dance around the fact that.....THE HORSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN WATER. Are you stupid?
lmarieaa 2 years ago
Yikes...Section 17-330 of the code: b. Horses shall not be left untethered or unattended except when confined in a stable or other enclosure.
Big mistake that driver made.
PitytheHorses 2 years ago 3
Thanks I'm going to demand a summons next time.
What code is this?
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
I don't know why people abuse their horses for money when they could sell me their horses for more that they would ever get from driving horses or slaughter.
XxTheNewGenerationxX 2 years ago 3
$15 million a year they make, that's the problem...
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
Wow, I get to take a ride in a horse carriage where someone just farted on a horse that isn't treated properly and get to pay $50 for it! Yay.
XxTheNewGenerationxX 2 years ago 4
I wish somebody like you could come and study it to give specifics.
All I know is it just seems inhumane to the horses.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago
that could have been a big mistake , being a driver my self . he should have never left that horse alone on a main hwy like that . gee some people just don't have any brains.......
mrbigpaws 2 years ago
And that's our complaint. These are the people in whose hands the horses are in.
Give a thirsty horse oats when you're supposed to be carrying water.
That's 2 summonses.
RadioReporter01 2 years ago