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  • All that said, thats just what the theory books say, and what teachers reccomend, and I for sure use and so does everyone. BUT like FuchsFran said you can still use Lydian dominant over a resolving dominant chord. It sounds awesome too. thats the sweet thing about dominants, pretty much anything goes.

  • How are Joe's eyes - does anyone know? BTW supercool stuff. I'm oft to practice.

  • waaaaaay out of my league.

  • Just learn the chords in each scale position by heart ,then add the three remaining scale tones and get used to seeing c melodic minor as seven different chords with scale or interval possibilities.It takes time but it,s not as hard as many believe.For example position seven yields b super locrian ,just see bm7b5 as the chord and practise seeing and playing any flat interval in terms of b,introducing them gradually as scale fragments or chords.It,s the learning of these intervals that is key.

  • I had a teacher once who taught like this. Just played absurd licks that I couldn't catch if to save my life. Then a simple explanation. It's not the most effective way of teaching, but it can work, it just forces the student to take more responsibility.

    Was kinda looking for major pentatonic stuff, but good video anyway.

  • @mattpolofka Certainly not for beginners, I wouldn't teach this stuff to my beginner/intermediate students but it's great for the advanced players.

  • Okay, this is a serious question, why do jazz players play with their guitars so close to their face? I'm a rock guy trying to broaden my horizons, and I see jazz players with the upper bout of their guitar practically hitting them in the face. What's up with that?

  • @WoWintosh Allows you to do way bigger stretches and generally gives you better access to the fretboard with less effort in your left hand.

  • @RaymondFRevalee I thought the same thing too at first, but the more I listened and transcribed the more I realized that each player is unique. and as long as the player knows what he or she is doing, there is a lot of artistry and creativity involved.

  • does his explanation of what chords this works with make sense to anyone??? how can one possibly remember all of that?

  • hahahah... aaahahhaahha.. HAAAHAHAHAHAHH!

  • Anyone know how Joe's health is. Is he still around?

  • @johnhguitar Yes, he is still alive (he'll be 75 this August)

  • C melodic minor.....

    2 things added to it of course HAHAHAHAH... 2?!?!?!

  • basketball and jazz guitar are the best things in the world!!

  • @BeatBay Wonder what are the worst ones.

  • Check out "The Color of Sound" a wonderful duo recording with Joe and David Becker. It was Joe's last before his Stroke.

  • He seems like an amazing guitar player, but there was no indication that it was for the mega-advanced player!

  • tight, great teaching

  • Awesome lessonI I have incorporated many of your techniques into my playing! Thanks! Joey Vaughan "World Blues Attack"

  • ant reason in perticular the guitar is at mouth level . . . hes scaring me . . .

  • Fat ass

  • workshop jazzguitar cologne

  • Great demo, but the theory stuff losses me, jazz is so complex or maybe it's just me. Love the tone of the guitar, it looks like a Gibson but which model Joe?

  • @ColinPRS Looks like an ES-175

  • For x-mas I want your jazz guitar skills.

  • ol' Joe looks like he's about to pop

  • zebopper, I don't mean to be nit picky but over the maj chords it is EbMaj7b5.

  • He has a secret talent too: he can see his right and left hand at the same time ;) Thats why he hides his secret weapon with a sun glasses... Any way, he is a great guitarist and I have his Creative Jazz Guitar video tutorial and its great!

  • the human toad.

  • AHAHAHAH! SO TRUE! SO TRUE!

  • but u dont use mixo over every dominant chord .B flat is

    sharp 9 on a G7 - very normal.

  • hi

    Ronold

  • I have always loved Joes playing. He's the bosanova king.

  • As to Joe's final comment: No thanks, I'll use your imagination instead. : D

  • OMG this guy is a walking book! and his phrases are awesome.

  • you're always a half step away from a right note

  • there are no wrong notes!

  • @awesomewelles90 so you can just play whatever and call it music then?

  • Well, if you really mean it (if it's your true expression, what you feel) then it doesn't matter how horrible or atonal it may sound to somebody. It's not wrong!

  • Of course. And that's the most obvious "in" example you could give. But again, i'm speaking HARMONY...making chords with your hands...not melodic single note playing. Concerning single note playing, I've played waaaaay more "out there" sounds than your example. But that's not to what my comment referred. Gotta pay attention bro! On a side note: the reason the minor pen works over dom grooves is the b3 can also be looked at as a raised 2nd (sharp two), and #9's sound hot in a blues groove!

  • I said CHORDAL form. One of the comments was playing this scale over various chords, including Ebmajb7 and Ebmaj9b7, and unless we unknowingly lapsed into Narnia, that 'chord' doesn't exist. It's major or dominant, thats it. It's written as Eb7 or Eb9. It can be a major triad, but when the b7 is introduced it's no longer referred to as a 'major' chord. I wasn't referring to single note playing. Yeah you can play whatever the fuck you want in those terms.

  • In the end, after you learn basic music theory, you realize you can play anything over anything. Where the notes you play land, strong beats or weak beats for example, is more important than what note it is. Sure, using guide tones works great but mix things up and see what colors you can create. Thelonious Monk and Joe Zawinul, for example, used to get away with all sorts shit that wasn't "correct" but they put the notes in the right places and made great music with it.

  • All I'm saying is not to get so caught up in the "use this for this and that for that" kind of "in the box" thinking. Support the music, not your ego and be a good listener.

  • Escale C D Eb G A Use over F7/9/13 Am7b5 Am9b5 Cm9 Cm6 EbMAJb7 EbMAJ9b7 B7alt (b9,#9,#5)
  • I think at the end there it was an Ebmaj7b5, correct? You can't have an ebmaj7 with a b7, that won't work haha. Anyway, too confusing for me. This type of "lesson" can't be given in a minute time.

  • You CAN use the b7...but it does sound better if you use it as a passing tone into the maj7 or ninth

  • No, the chord is an Ebmaj7b5, that's what he meant. Im talking about chordal form. It's either Ebmaj7 or EbDOM7, not both.

  • Ebmaj7 b5

    Ebmaj9 b5

    Not b7

  • @rodrigohurtado1

    actually he says:

    EbMaj(b5)

    n

    EbMaj9(b5)

  • Melodic minor scales over V7 chords -great way to break out of the old white bread myxolydian sound. As Joe rattles off all those possible chords to play over however, it depends in what context the the chord is moving, e.g.; to use C melodic minor over an F7/9/13-type chord the F should be a non-resolving dominant chord; if the F7 is resolving back to the "1" chord (C) then the Db melodic minor scale works best. Emily Remler and Don Mock both explain these concepts very clearly in their videos.

  • You can still use mixolydian #11 over resolving V7 chords, but the altered dominant scale or the dominant diminished (half/whole) create more tension and "pull" harder toward the chord you're resolving to. Try phrygian or locrian ideas from the root of a dominant chord...there are many valid choices.

  • @zebopper Duhhhhhh...... What? No, please don't explain it. I just know my brain will explode... Criminy, I just want to play guitar, not learn string theory... Lol...

  • @zebopper if F7 is resolving to its respective i or "I" chord, Bb would be the tonic, not C. In this case, F#/Gb melodic minor would be the common alt mode, offering every possible alteration to the F dominant chord.

  • @zebopper earlgray626 is correct. like wise, using c mel. min. over an F7 type chord would yields the 9/13/#11 tensions, thus making the resulting F7 9/13/#11 a tritone sub of B7, which mean the F7 9/13/#11resolves chromatically to some type E maj or e min tonic chord.

  • @egyptianminor also to Bb maj or min tonic

  • @marinopposite To my ears,if the F7 has b9/#9/#11/b13, ie F7 altered dominant scale, or Gb melodic minor scale, (or B/Cb Lydian dominant; tritone sub.) would I hear it resolve to a Bb maj or min tonic. If you say F7 9/#11/13, I hear F7 lyd.dom, hence a tritone sub of B7 alt, resolving to an E maj.min tonic, but if I hear F7 b9/#11/13 (D/F), THEN I hear an alt chord of the diminished family, Gb sym diminished scale resolving to Bb Major only, since,the D(13th of F) would clash w/ Db-min 3 of Bb

  • @zebopper how's that? Db mel min doesn't have either F or A.

  • @zebopper What you are saying is theoretocally correct but you could use C melodic minor over an F7/9/13 resolving to a C without any problem. You can use a lot of different scales over dominant chords, it all depends on how you resolve the frase and your intention and conviction while playing.

  • @FuchsFran Exactly...

  • BTW Joe is one of the finest musicians and human beings that has ever graced us with his presence.

  • @zebopper You Got the right idea. Wrong notes. C melodic over F7 creates F Lydian dominant, theory books say that when its not a resolving chord to use this scale. That is correct. Just one note I think you prob just weren't paying attention to the notes you typed. C is not the I chord of F7, Bb is. The scale you said to play instead of Lydian dominant was melodic minor from the Db, we would move that down to B.

    This isnt correct either, you play Gb melodic for F7 giving altered scale.

  • just kidding

  • Great player and all but looks like a psycho killer qu'est que c'est!

  • joe soares

  • i am not kidding

  • I swear to god my name is joe diorio

  • Diorio is great.

    This lesson was pretty basic and common-place though.

  • rs hilly pol jazz.eraene ...rs tonto. nryc tev uic molt. eraene eraene eraene eraen .Irene is the best in her house because she is the only woman,so there is a female dog too

  • Es ciego?Is he blind?

  • Joe owns :-)

  • This is great stuff. Thanks for sharing.

  • Thanks for everything Joe. Your always an inspiration.

    Check out my stuff too guys.

    Jack

  • one how can anyone say who has soul or not and two (witzwalter) life is to short not to learn from one of the great jazz guitar educators!

  • Joe Diorio and Joe Pass played together quite often. Both are, and were, amazingly talented artists.

  • Yes he is. I had not seen him for 11 years at one point and I went into Steamer's Cafe in Fullerton, CA when he was sitting with Ron Eschte and other friends waiting to start his set. The room was over-filled with people. I just wanted to say "hello" and I wasn't sure if he would remember me. As I got about 15 feet from his table, he stood up, walked over and hugged me like a father would a son. He is truly remarkable. A gentleman on all counts. (Then he played his ass off!)

  • His classroom and office were always filled with guitar players clamoring to learn from him. Both his approach and his humility are what they aspired for. There were the heaviest of metal guitar players sitting with him to learn along with jazz players of all levels of ability.

  • hello i can see where you're coming from, but also witzwater. just from the feel of his music it seems as though he is playing what is in his fingers, not what is in his head. the theory schpeel sounds like hes overcomplicating things. definately not a true alpha dog like joe pass...

  • Joe Diorio wrote the first MASTER' SERIES article in Guitar Player in the late '80's. It was on "Right-Brain Thinking".  Joe is a painter and makes pottery to keep his creative muse in shape. All you have to do is listen to him play once and you will see how he incorporates this "mathematical" approach into beautiful, improvisation. In his book "Intervallic Designs" he wrote that it took him 28 years to be free from keycenters and to just play. Good art is a lifetime commitment.

  • theres no doubt in my mind that joe diorio is a phenomenal player, and he has certainly paid his dues, with regards to technique. In many ways he is actually better than the players i would consider the "alpha dogs" off jazz. its just that its so mathmatical it seems to lose its soul

  • ...Until you hear him play live or on record and not just in a lesson session.

  • You have never heard Joe play either live or on recordings. That is made obvious withh your comment.

    If you look at something like a beautiful car say a Ferrari, you see the unmatched style and performance...and the beauty. There is a lot of math and logic required to build that car that only the "insiders" see. In his teachings, Joe shows you the inside...what it takes to make beautiful art. Listen to his recordings and your opinion wil change.

  • I had the priveledge of meeting Joe and taking some private lessons with him. Also saw him play in Venice Beach and Fullerton several times. He is a true artist. Full of humility and a willingness to share what he knows. He is one of those guys who makes you comfortable even though he is lifetimes ahead of you in ability. Having lunch with Joe is even a lesson in being a gentleman. Thank you Joe.

  • Joe is one of the all time best. Incredible creativity and a completely unique player. His books are lifetime projects and he is also a great, warm, compassionate person. I had the pleasure of spending some time with him after his stroke. He's working on getting his playing back together, and he'll always be tops for me.

  • Jimmy Bruno Sorry, brain fart< His dvd is priceless he makes learning jazz easy and understandable

  • This is the real deal in guitar playing!! Why I didnt learn this tuff years ago, Joe is one of the best and much to be leanred from him as well as Joe Pass Pat Martino Frank Bruno has a awesome dvd out!!

  • Jazz players, The atomic scientists of guitar playing. Did you catch what he was saying? Not our taste but props to him. Did you see that sweep picking? Awesome

  • great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Thank you Joe.

  • I went to GIT in the early 80s when Joe was teaching there. Great guy, hilariously funny. Great player, too.  Very spiritual dude.

  • good lesson !! jazz !! vini Brazil !

  • Check out his right hand,so tension free. He can solo effortlessly for extended periods of time.

  • Very informative tutorial! I've always had difficulties when figuring out the melodic minor, you've cleared a lot of things up! Thanks.

  • Joe teaches a lot in 1 minute! I saw him play once and he owns " the Days of wine and roses"

  • your really mister couch potato

  • Hey, talkin about C D Eb G A isn't pentatonic but C Eb F G Bb is but I get the picture about the rest of the theory(use it alot too)Anyway what's the use of words without wonderfull music and indeed this is a great player whom every jazz player can learn from.

  • pentatonic only refers to the number of notes in the scale any grouping of five notes is a pentatonic scale. C Eb F G Bb is the minor pentatonic and the most common.

  • incredible

  • i think he needs to lose weight. The guitar looks strangely-position on his tummy.

  • my biggest influence! also a wonderful person.

  • what's so funny???? this is a perfet lesson. i like

  • Well put erod1944, Joe is an amazing guitar player, and a very inspiring human being, and "Intervallic Designs" is such a great book. Thanks to the poster of this clip.

  • You are welcome~~

  • You guys need to go out and MASTER the Joe Diorio "Intervallic Designs" guitar study book and call me in the morning. If you Can. It's readily available for ADVANCED PLAYERS like yourselves. Please Post a Video when complete. Thanks in Advance. Ed

  • I prefer to use an Alt. Pent/5/9 that way I can fit in 11ths for that honky tonk style.

  • LOL!

  • certainly not his gut!

  • LMFAO

  • Flat what?

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