Project M: Lucario Demonstration

[Nazrat84]

Implement this with every character, and watch the shit fling between the player base.

[KumaOso16]

@Nazrat84

OMG game's so hard because we have to learn actual combo strings. This isn't Smash, this is Street Fighter!

[Nazrat84]

@KumaOso16 Exactly.

[sirblac100]

please guys help my i dont know what is ssbm hack.its that a game for pc or what do that do?? please i want to know im a big fan of that games please please guys help my if that a game i want it

[TheChiefRockah]

Can I patch an iso of Smashbros and play that on Gamecube?

[EternalFuu]

Just a couple questions:

Do Lucario's attacks still gain power as he takes damage?

and

Are diminishing returns part of the mechanics in Project M?

[Maplewolf283]

Is it possible if the PSA were sure to replace the without aura animations and having the old but a rapid combos and strikes i know that if they say it were true it could be either replace new combos or the combination combos if thats fine.

[RicksSpine565]

Would PSA imports such as shadow freeze in project m? please reply

[Famicomnoobation]

Damn... I hope the next smash is like this

[PaRoDiEr1993]

Does every character have a OHC?

[ClickOnYourSide]

@PaRoDiEr1993 no , only Lucario

[TheCompetitiveDojo]

Sakurai, take notes for real.

for anyone playing fighting games, you can say "Lucario now has Target Combos" lol

[Lo0kuaz]

Lucario wants to learn Shoryuken.

Gains aura power... Lucario wants to learn Shinku Hadoken.

[MsHalfAmazing]

so how exactly do you do the canceling

[KumaOso16]

@MsHalfAmazing

I haven't played this one yet, but my guess is that it's like other fighters with the chain system. What you're doing is that as soon as one attack lands, do the input for the next attack and it'll automatically go into it. Not all attacks can chain into something else or certain attacks, but that's character specific.

[jadeboy007]

On project m the only download available is the Feb 7 demo version which has limited c haracters. Do you know where i can get the full download for all the characters together like this one?

[MisterN617]

@jadeboy007 It hasn't been released to the public yet.

[XZerosr388X]

I hope he stays this way. Please dont change him!

[tintinytdj]

Sakurai, take notes.

[Fuzunga]

OH SHIT THE SPRIT BOMB. He really IS Goku...

[Slayermarth101]

So when will this be released for the public to use?

[sparkaura]

*faints at the epicness*

[SamOliver4]

In other words, Lucario was made into a Street Fighter character. Lol.

[ultimatenoir]

@SamOliver4 Aura Sphere=Hadouken. Up Smash=Shoryuken. Nair=Tatsumaki. WTH were they doing?! Playing SFIIHD REMIX or something?!

[geekgo4]

@ultimatenoir Well, they are turner Super Smash Bros into a serious brawler.

What better than Street Fighter?

[ultimatenoir]

@geekgo4 XD

[TheXYZProject]

Seems broken.... way broken. Even with proper di. Seems way to MK9 to me haha

[BrokeGamerJD]

Has this been released yet because I dl'd the one on the site and a lot of the modifications are there but the actual animations never changed.

Brawl- 2.1.1

[louman7777777]

Glowing hands? Spirit Bomb? Now all we need is a Kamehameha for a side super and Gokario will be set!

[Mahareshi]

Is it close to being done yet?

[EternalYoshi]

@Mahareshi No. But we made a lot of progress in 2011 so far. A LOT. Stay tuned.

[Tailsmilespower]

So, does the new aura system replace Lucario's old one?

[HappehLemons]

@Tailsmilespower Yes.

[toushiro555]

@HappehLemons Does that mean he wont get the passive aura increase from stock/ percent?

[LawBayBe]

This is badass =o

[KaizaDarkhunter]

I really didn't like Lucario too much, though he was a bit fun. Loved him in Pokemon lol, But this makes me wanna pick him up as a character :D

[mariodkzz]

can´t wait to this lucario is out :D(can use it as base for some attacks on DBZ movesets Goku,Gotenks i making)

[adjmonkey]

Man I hope you guys make a second demo over time , with this in it..

[AFunnyWhisper]

@adjmonkey

There will be a second demo, but even they don't know what to put in it (other than updated physics). Pretty much the only thing confirmed is that Ice Climbers won't be in it.

[SiLeNtDo0m]

I do dislike it when people just assume stuff is broken because it's out of the ordinary or just plain good. The Project M team are some of the best of the best when it comes to Brawl modding. These guys are absolute pros and know what they're doing, especially when it comes to stuff like balance. They've definitely put a lot of thought into this.

Keep up the good work Project M team!

[lgdsmasher]

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[KumaOso16]

If you take DI into consideration, can I still chain with Lucario so long as I guess the direction of DI right? If so, I'm rather excited. I get my chains while still having my beloved mixups.

[MonkUnitBrawl]

@KumaOso16 Yes. Lucario is extremely technical if you want to get strings more than 4-5 hit strings. You have to make the right decision as to what move to use and think ahead of time of where they are going to DI.

[KumaOso16]

@MonkUnitBrawl

Now here's another question. DI still matters even when doing the chains, right. Does this mean I have to decide between doing either FTilt or Utilt as I'm attacking with the previous attack.

[smk2]

@KumaOso16 You do have to make decisions based on how they DI, yes.

[MonkUnitBrawl]

@KumaOso16 Yes, thats why you want to try and make the best decisions of what moves to chain into. :)

[KumaOso16]

@MonkUnitBrawl

Yay mixups!

[MiracleMagypsy]

Are these like target combos in street fighter?

[metaXzero]

@MiracleMagypsy

Yes. OHC is just their name for Target combos/chains applied to Lucario here.

[CaveStoryChaddical]

This is cool and all, but this isn't really Melee-ish at all. Or even like Smash at all.

[AFunnyWhisper]

@CaveStoryChaddical

Yes it is. It's like Fox's shine cancel, but for a lot of Lucario's attacks. Even so, don't worry. Lucario's the only character that's going to have cancels as extensive as this.

[CaveStoryChaddical]

@AFunnyWhisper No it's not. Smash has been all about being creative, not mashing out some bread and butter combo.

Fox/Falco shine is one move that can be canceled by jumping but not instantly into a huge combo on hit, you actually have to react to where they go(if you hit them and not just on shield) and how they DI and what character they're playing and what stage your on and a ton of factors. This seems like they could hit you once and just close their eyes while finishing up on you.

[DrLoganski]

@CaveStoryChaddical Well, I understand the skepticism but you are completely wrong. DI, stage, character weight, percent, all factor into OHC, but to a much higher degree then what you are mentioning above. To compensate for his new linking, the damage and kb on a lot of lucario's moves have been nerfed, and right now he is one of the most technical characters in the build. The stuff shown in the demo was without proper DI,thats it looked easy. But it isn't. The skill gap is there. don't worry.

[CaveStoryChaddical]

@DrLoganski I'll wait and see I suppose but I'd like to see more to confirm/deny my suspicions of how it works. Either way the people working on project m are working really hard so I wish you guys good luck

[metaXzero]

@CaveStoryChaddical

Marth F-airing you until you get to the edge and then D-airing you is creative in this day and age? Or Fox Shining you until either he shine-spikes you off or U-Smashes you? Or Falco Doing Shine ->D-air repeatedly?

Don't get me wrong. I love seeing these combos.

And obviously, Smash has DI. You can't close your eyes and do a simple string because your opponent could DI out and smack you if you aren't paying attention.

[CaveStoryChaddical]

@metaXzero With that response I can tell you know very little.

[metaXzero]

@CaveStoryChaddical

You still didn't explain the "creativity" of those combos. Nor the fact that DI is going to prevent this chain system from being exactly like most fighters with chains.

[CaveStoryChaddical]

@metaXzero The examples you give are very basic and something only a player who knows very little would get hung up over. They don't work on every character, most good players won't get caught often by them, and many great players don't focus on one specific combo. They use many moves in different ways to continue to keep pressure and chain farther.

I won't comment farther whether or not I think this system is a good idea but it is not like Smash at all. No character in Smash can do this.

[metaXzero]

@CaveStoryChaddical

Did you really just say the BnBs that I just listed won't work on anyone. The BnBs that are in nearly every Melee vid with high level players and you say "most good players won't get caught often by them". I guess the likes of Ken, Mew2King, Dashiz, etc. are nonexistent eh?

Yes, U-throw 10 times to U-tilt to F-Smash is "many moves". Indeed. So is any Falcon going F-air to F-air or U-air to U-air to F-air

I love Smash, but I wouldn't call most combos -cont-

[metaXzero]

@CaveStoryChaddical

a variety of moves. The general Smash combos boil down to chaining aerials (which are usually the same aerial done multiple times), chaining SHFFL aerials to either grabs (which lead to chain grabs or some aerial chain), U-tilts for alot of guys, or just the finishing Smash attack.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I have no problem with this. I love Smash. But I'm not going to call its combos "a variety of moves" compared to combos in most fighters. Most of it is pressure rather--

[metaXzero]

@CaveStoryChaddical

then true combos. But the BnBs are there and are used. Again, I don't hate Smash.

As for target combos being alien to Smash, we already did have a REALLY basic chain in Brawl. That DACUS thing where you could cancel a Dash attack into U-Smash. It wasn't limited to on hit, but it was easiest on hit and functioned like a chain

[CaveStoryChaddical]

@metaXzero ok

[AFunnyWhisper]

@CaveStoryChaddical

DI is directional influence, in case you didn't know. My point is that the victim is capable of escaping the combos, so Lucario players have to think and react in order to succeed.

[sheitruis]

oh dear god. OHC is amazing :O

[TBoydSteam]

Lucario won't be broken in project M. with no more ledgesnap his recovery is complete garbage

[xOvErLoRd1022x]

hopefully this isnt easy to do because that would be gay....

[AFunnyWhisper]

@xOvErLoRd1022x

He's said to be one of the hardest characters to play as. Consider this: Lucario's moves by themselves aren't very strong, so he's forced to do complex combos. In order to string together attacks, you'd have to know exactly how every character in the game would physically react at every damage percentage. That's... a lot to keep in mind when playing. Also, the combos are probably escapable with DI and such.

[xOvErLoRd1022x]

@AFunnyWhisper thanks for the explanation thats what i wanted to know also i didnt mean to sound like a troll in my last comment but did hahaha

[kirox777]

ahh you gave him the ability to use hit confirms.. nice

[pkmaximum]

Locario is garbage!

[kasus]

will project m also work with the upcoming wii u ? greetz from germany :>

[L3phili3Tjosh]

@kasus Probably not. Think about it. Wii U is even more powerful than ps3 and xbox 360, and it was more difficult to mod a ps3 or an xbox 360 than an original Wii. The Wii U is gonna be modded, but it won't be as public as the Wii's mods.

[AFunnyWhisper]

@L3phili3Tjosh

Not necessarily. This mod could run on an SD card over Brawl itself. As long as the Wii U has a card slot, and Wii backwards compatibility, this will work.

[Samsasrenjet]

Wow, it seems as though a considerable amount of effort has gone into making Lucario that much more fun to play with. It was probably stressful putting all of these changes together!

[AeroFast101]

Wow.

That's awesome. =D

What program did you use to make the video?

[KanoleonRedgrave]

Wow, that was awesome!!!

[SeigneurTurel]

I actualy love Lucario in Brawl.

But this, this is just awesome ahah.

[jayloonar]

OH SHIT!

I SEE WOMBOZ

[tdivv41]

Looks cheap

[DarkNinjaT]

I like what I've seen here today.

[dengel3587]

I don't understand the point of this at all.

[DrLoganski]

@dengel3587 brawl is bad and this is better lol

[SuperMortmort]

Afterdawn, take a second (or possibly first) look at the name of this system: ON HIT cancel. Meaning shielding should ruin any potential combo because Lucario isn't actually hitting the opponent.

[shanus19]

@SuperMortmort you can cancel on shield, however, his moves give such low shield stun due to low damage that most are unsafe on hit even with frame perfect cancels

[TsurioProsper]

I can't help but feel a bit worried about OHC into grab.

also Lucario is so obviously based on classic fighting games lol look at that shoryuken

[Berxerkable1]

I'm an avid Guilty Gear fan. This pleases me to no end.

[xAfterDawnx]

this is gonna fuck over shields waaay too much.

[DrLoganski]

@xAfterDawnx lol i know right based on how much you've played project m you're clearly an expert

[Apotheosis275]

This looks fucking awesome

[b2j135]

*criticism begins*wtf is this street fighter!?!?!?

take this shit out it's bad enough Mario is uber broken now you've got this shit! NOOOOOO!*criticism over*

But seriously please balance this to make if fair...

[OmegaMuffin498]

@b2j135 He used NAir, not FAir...

[b2j135]

@OmegaMuffin498 i meant fair as in "like this isn't fair" not fair as in forward air...

[OmegaMuffin498]

@b2j135 Lol I know, it was a joke...

[spyaxel11]

@b2j135 His combos are DI-able tho. This is not broken. Broken is like in brawl. Falco chaingrab to Dair spike. That's broken.

[KOFXIKula]

I think people will find ways in utilizing this new ohc stuff when it gets released to the public. Seems like they are trying to make lucario like a 2d fighter character.

[spyaxel11]

@KOFXIKula It's cool. Something new. Not as generic as other fighting styles in the ssb series. This game needs something like this. Only problem now is that he's not really close to mewtwo anymore. :[ I miss him. </3

[drsusredfish]

did you guys get rid of the sword dance thing on down B. I hope you did.

[TehLilAzn47]

Lucario looks really cheap...

[DrLoganski]

@TehLilAzn47 ur dumb lol

[spyaxel11]

@TehLilAzn47 The combos don't seem cheap. It's not like it's keeping you in place of the combo. It's DI-able so you can escape it. It's not like a super combo to instant death.

[LANBlasterDawn]

..but can he FADC into an ultra?

[DrLoganski]

None of this is OP. Ever heard of DI? See the limit to it that appears at the end of the video? You people have no idea what you are talking about and you haven't played as him/against him at all lol. That's what playtesters are for. If it were OP, it wouldn't be here.

[lolrobtwashlol]

hmm that seems a tad op imo



[link1616]

seems a little to broken guys, you probably should limit the amount of percentage damage those strings do, and lower his weight so he is easier to kill.....combo creativity like that needs to come at a trade off, either easier kills or a nerfed Up.B recovery

[HappehLemons]

@link1616 It seems like a lot of people are worried about him being broken, don't worry. The example combo was only possible without proper DI.

[IYMsmasher]

@HappehLemons

i saw a match between C falcon and lucario, lucario is really fast, but his OHC is OK, he isnt so strong.

[crossfire340]

@HappehLemons All i have to say is that you gave Lucario a shoryuken. I hope its not as vulnerable as shoryukens in other fighter games.

And just to make sure, I hope you dont make this OHC system the only way lucario has a chance. I hope he still has combo's like every other character but his OHC system is where he makes the money at. Oh and make sure he has combos that disregard DI, then it'd just be a guessing game of where they'd DI and hoping you hit the right move.

[DaAcester]

Cool, he fights like a Dragonball Z character lol

[NsGymdude]

wow

[thefirstwhiteknight]

Looks hella broken which is okay since this is a gimmick anyways.

[ETWIST51294]

OHC - fancy for chains.

[heylookitsrob]

@ETWIST51294 fancy for target combo. fancy for smash players dont know fighting game terminology.

[ETWIST51294]

@heylookitsrob I hope that's not an insult. I really hope it isn't. You have no idea how many fighters I play. BTW, only SF4 scrubs say target combos. That term wasn't made till SF4. They were referred to as chains before that, and they still are for the most part.

LOL But yeah, Smash players don't know FG terminology but I'm def not one of them.

[metaXzero]

@heylookitsrob

The traditional fighting game community is never going to truly be open to Smash. Smash community just has too much of a different mindset of how things should run. And neither are right/wrong in long run. Whatever works for the groups.

After all, you really agree with the general fighting game community's view on items in Smash?

[TheAlibiofTyrants]

@ETWIST51294

Listen to this kid.

He's the homie.

[JNAinTexas1994]

For those wondering what the song is, it's Foregone Destruction from Unreal Tournament 3.

[behindthemyth]

@JNAinTexas1994 its also the Facing Worlds music from the original game

[Ron457X2]

I approve

[poklin]

Anyone know what song this is?

[MSFClan]

so pro!

[ssbkid]

That is fucking sick, I love how Lucario looks to have his own special classic 2d fighter engine. It would also be nice to see some other characters able to do similar things.

[biggadicrecords]

do this with link. and i'm sold. lol

[mugwhump666]

Wow. Quite cool.

[THTB614]

P:M Luke looks pretty sick. What's the name of the song, also?

[MaxThunder]

LUCARIO looks so friggin awezome now...

[Mahareshi]

OHC Lu + Good Sheild Stun/Shield Damage Ratio = High Tier.

[GoldenHeartNeko]

YOU GUYS ARE ALL WELCOME.

[Geekawaii]

the music is awesome, DL or tittle please ? thanks :)

[HardCoreGamer94]

Really like the changes you guys are making to Lucario so far..

[Gregory2590]

as a lucario main i approve of this video

[yarksnaw]

@shaqnel me too

[xkilla999]

Giving Lucario a magic series was probably the most genius thing I've ever seen.

[Doomolish]

This will cause infinites and imbalance.

[smk2]

@Doomolish I hope you're joking.

[GoldenHeartNeko]

@Doomolish No it wont. Like wow.

[drsusredfish]

i bet they made this OHC sytem balanced by having alot of end lag at the end of each move when he misses a cancel.

[GoldenHeartNeko]

@drsusredfish no. the lag on moves that he doesn't cancel have the same lag as normal. the frame advantage on moves that have no KB are in the negatives for him. Also his moves are unsafe on shield.

[Zeffing]

wait, you're part of the backroom? wat

[Tailsmilespower]

Implementing a somewhat classic fighter system to Lucario? Fucking.... awesome!

[Garethaxz]

@Tailsmilespower Fucking Awesome is the only way to describe the whole project

[unholydeath123]

Lucario's new Nair is just hilarious. There's some double dragon helicopter kick influences in there xD

[GoldenHeartNeko]

@unholydeath123 ...more like SF Hurricane Kick. :V

[unholydeath123]

@GoldenHeartNeko Ah yes. I'm anxious to try out Lucario for myself :D

[oloolopatrolo]

Teh Description is false! You can't play on PAL!

NERDRAGE!!!!

[jalued]

@oloolopatrolo the final release will be PAL compatable I'm sure. And you can always buy an NTSC disc and use homebrew if you want. That is what i do

[Strongbad338guy]

@oloolopatrolo You can USB load if you really need to.

[oloolopatrolo]

I won't pirate....

[Strongbad338guy]

@oloolopatrolo If you own a PAL disc, is it really pirating? <__<

[computervirus04]

this nigga looks like he's going to have some intense combos.

[manoloegghead]

hm, I see his shoruyken hits 3 times...Lu-KEN-rio?

[haviklink]

My jaw literally dropped lol

hope he's not too broken

looking good tho! keep up the good work!!

[Strongbad338guy]

@haviklink No need to worry about balance, we got you covered.

[ShunOne]

Looking forward to playing around with Luca-ryu. I'll have a lot of fun messing around with this guy, thanks for the vid, PM team

[jalued]

The tier system after the credits doesnt include grabs.. can anything cancel into a grab?

[shanus19]

@jalued Remember how you can cancel into a special? Neutral B -> charge -> shield cancel -> grab or JC etc

[XahGee]

Can't wait to see what other combos will be possible with his new cancels.

[SuperLearningCenter]

glad aura works on damage against others now

[louman7777777]

Damn! 50% in a flash! The Final Smash glow on the hands is a nice touch to it.