There is stem-cell research. What you are arguing for is Embryonic stem-cell research. From what I understand, the source would be embryos not used for fertility treatment. What happens to unused embryos now? Are they kept in storage until MaybeSomeday or until they become useless, or are they destroyed before then?
Great point about stem cell research. I believe secularists should be relentless on this issue, when you consider how much potential suffering it could alleviate.
Stem Cells can be harvested from the placentas of newly born babies and not just from aborted fetuses. Bone marrow also contains stem cells and with enough research and thought we will be able to grow small voluntary donations into larger useable samples. I hope one day i can go and donate stemcells just as i donate blood today.
Oh, I WISH I could...but...I believe in freedom, even the freedom to be a frickin' idiot if you choose. That includes being religious, much as I hate that fact.
I would only make it illegal for religion to have an unwanted impact upon the lives of those who are not in the religion; your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose, and your religion's right to fuck with people ends outside your congregation.
0:30 "Without religion interfering this planet would be in a very different state; more advanced, and less conflicted."
I'm not sure what you mean here. I'm all for showing it's a concept we should have outgrown by now and is presently holding us back, but it sounds like you're saying we'd have been better off if it had never existed, and I'm not convinced that's the case. I'd in fact say that due to our social nature, something like religion was inevitable and we'd have died off without it.
@firefly4f4 or at least been completely different beings. That isn't to say we shouldn't discard it now, but I don't believe the "we'd be more advanced" without it holds in that scenario. I don't think there's any basis to say WHAT we'd be like if there never was a concept like religion.
@firefly4f4 Religion holds us back scientifically and socially. Religion is a source of science-denial; need I point out religion's stance on evolution, among other things? Religion is a source of bigotry; need I point out their stance on homosexuality? Religion is a source of wars.
Think about it...religion has caused so many fucking problems in this world that calling for its complete destruction hardly seems like ENOUGH!
@BionicDance Keight, as I said in my first post, "I'm all for showing it's a concept we should have outgrown by now and is presently holding us back". So do not misunderstand me; I think religion is an outdated concept we should NOW discard.
It's the phrases, "we'd be more advanced" and later on "religion has been anything BUT beneficial to humanity" that I have a problem with. Religion, per my understanding of it's history, were the first forms of government and community building. (cont)
@firefly4f4 Without those early forms of community and government, I don't think we'd even be around having this discussion, and that those particular statements of yours are unsupportable. IF religion had never existed, there's no way to say IF we would be more advanced or not -- the best you could say is that it would be different. Similarly, saying it has had no benefits is simply, demonstrably wrong. Now, if you say we can have those benefits NOW without religion, I can agree with.
@firefly4f4 Then you're thinking of this out-of-context. If you've already acknowledged that religion is holding us back, THEN YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE MESSAGE.
@BionicDance Again, keight, it's only the historical context "if we had never had it we'd have been better off" part I have an issue with :). We no longer need it, and it should be discarded, IMO.
I really don't mean to start "drama" about this -- I saw those points as weaker parts of the video, and figured it would be better if someone who usually agrees with you points out potential pitfalls of the argument rather than someone who believes religion presently AND historically is/was useful.
Rick Perry prayer and pledge: The pledge supports a proposed federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and would take away the rights of states to choose whether they support same-sex marriages.
Sadly, Spaying and neutering does not stop the transmission of a disease that infects our society. -- lol good try though. It is bullshit how a group (i.e. Christians) can ostracize another group of Americans (i.e. Gays, Atheists, Mexicans, Amerindians) with a moral impunity because of an imagined and perceived position they hold with a god delusion. I guess i missed this country being christian and all others subject to their grace and love. Borg--resistance is futile!
Theist: Please play nice with me, while i count you as an inferior person going to hell. Oh, i don't mean to devalue you, but the bible tells me god hates you. You see your an object , a threat to god's plan not mine, so please understand and play nice with me. You see I am much like a program needing to run as i am programmed, oh is that your life blood flowing from your throat, don't worry god is in control, please play nice with me because " I AM GOD." ---Hate the theology, not the theist.
@ryktan And there we have it. Another Nazi white supremest is exposed. While you watch the WORLD economy collapse (keeping in mind that effects everyone on the planet, including you) I will watch the plague of Islam conquer Europe. I'd rather be broke than a Muslim, enjoy. sieg hiel ,,!,,
@ryktan You just contradicted yourself and proved my point, thanks. It is an ideology, not a breed of people. We have a BINGO. Also, I didn't realize victims had to do anything wrong to be victimized, like you claim above. You are coming across as an arrogant goof with a superiority complex. Miss Hitler? Miss his way of life? There is a reason that the SS scum only lasted 15 years. The other 2.3 billion people on the planet at that time would not tolerate it. This conversation ends now.
@ryktan Let me ask you this. What % of muslims/christians, from the middle east carry those same genetic markers? I will make this a simple as I can. Anyone from anywhere, including me, with time, effort and desire can become Jewish. I can't become African, or Asian. Do you see the difference?
@ryktan I assume you are referring to the Halakha? It includes biblical laws. Therefore religious. As far as the genetic issue, 20+ centuries of genocide and slaughter from every angle could make a gene pool sorta small. I am sure had ancient Jews won against, Christians and Muslims, the genetics would be a little different.
Do you have religious friends? Because I do, and I'm an Atheist who does think that religion is crazy and harmful. I however try not to "rock the boat" and avoid religious conversation at all because I fear losing them. Every now and then though they bring it up and I just nod politely..and doing so makes me feel uncomfortable. Have you ever had this problem?
Had to have this convo with a fellow atheist recently. When the fundies invade the beach with their "god hates fags" signs, my skeptics group goes out to the beach with an atheist sign to present the logical argument . My fellow says its too aggressive of us to have a poster that reads "I read the bible and now I'm a proud atheist." I thought it was tame in comparison to "Sinners, repent or burn in hell!"
a thing i already noticed, that your fighting a monster, religion. But do not become the monster yourself. "and everybody who thinks otherwise is clearly doing so in oposition of the facts" (2:22), These are dangerous hatefull statements for people for running on automatic. I just warn you, do not create a dogma yourself.
during WWII the vatican and pope, at the time, never spoke out against what hitler and the nazis were doing. they didnt support hitler by any means, but they never publicly stood against hitlers regime ethier.
Good video. However, one of the downsides of being a grammar Nazi is you no longer get to say things like "reek" havoc, instead of "wreck" without being called out.
You might be technically correct, but we're not doing ourselves any favors by alienating all religious people. Not all religious people are our enemies. Not all of them are nutjobs. What's that saying about getting more bees with honey than vinegar?
@emagneticboy97 The moderates should be policing their own, telling the rabid-and-screaming zealots who're ostensibly on their side to shut the fuck up. You know...more flies with honey and all that.
And given how these chowdermonkeys all seem to be attracted top the preachers that tell them they're damned sinners and going to hell, maybe givin' 'em shit is EXACTLY what's called for; shame and ridicule seem to work on these people!
@emagneticboy97 I think it's "you get more bees with honey than vinegar." You almost had it! The people following religion to the letter are the ones doing it RIGHT. Religious moderates provide a safe haven, an air of legitimacy, and new recruits for these people.
Religion was established when there was not even basic scientific understanding among humans. And now look how much we've advanced, the stem cell research being the perfect example of such achievements. But hanging on to fairy tales in ancient book written about HUMANS about a separate dude chilling in the magic cloud land is like a forty-year-old believing in Santa Claus. You'd think they would have grown out of the stupid childish belief a VERY long time ago.
One thing, though, religion has been useful to humanity, and in some religions, still is.
Take, for example, native Australian tribes - their religions include stories and fables that they believe as true, but also helps them pass on the knowledge of the land. For example, their religion might tell them where water is, or what kind of food is edible.
I remember one example, they believe a giant had been killed and petrified, and they believe...
@Vehementi believe...that this giant is now a massive stone. This gives them two things, it helps with navigation and tells them where they can find shelter from the sun if they need it.
Religion isn't entirely useless, for tribes living as they have for thousands of years it keeps them alive, it just has no place in modern society.
@Vehementi - The Human Immunodeficiency Virus isn't "entirely useless," either. There are definitely situations where it could be useful to have around. Cancer can also be useful, in certain situations. Do we now decide to tolerate these things instead of trying to eradicate them?
@LeksServices So you're saying we should eradicate the beliefs of many African and Australian tribes - myths and legends that they believe because it shows them how to survive in some of the harshest environments on Earth - just because the other 99% of beliefs in the world are fucking the world up?
True, these tribes are never going to be the first civilisation to colonize other planets, or discover the unifying theory of physics, but they don't need to...
@LeksServices All they need to do is live, and survive, and they're taught these things from a young age to make passing on the knowledge to survive in these harsh environments easier. Their beliefs teach them what foods are safe to eat, where to find these foods, where to find water, how to build shelters, how to find their way around vast, arid deserts. Their religion has a practical, beneficial use.
@BionicDance The Jews weren't prosecuted for their religion but for their RACE! Religion has nothing to do with that, at least not chrisitanity. Maybe if you want to call the blind belief into the nazi doctrine a religion, it is religious, but it's not because of christianity.
Hitler may or may not have been a christian, all we know is that he claimed to be catholic. Christians claim Hitler did his crimes because he was an atheist and I think we shouldn't go into that level...
@Rakly3 Facepalm on you. I am German, so we learn this stuff very thoroughly in school.
The nazis hated the jews as a RACE! That's a fact. Just like they wanted to breed their aryan RACE.
You couldn't escape the nazis by simply converting to christianity!
You should know that most people have the religion of their parents. So Jewish parents (and they mostly only married other Jews) have Jewish children. And jews originally come from Israel, so they were an own RACE to the nazis.
I don't see how that makes you right. (We see this stuff throughout our entire education too)
It's not because the Nazis believed Jews were a race, that that means it's true.
Aryan isn't a race either, they just believed it was.
I know most people inherent their parent's religion, that still doesn't make it a race. What if I convert to Judaism and move to Israel, does that mean my race changes?
@Rakly3 Dude, I said that Jews were prosecuted for their race and you facepalmed and said that the Jews were prosecuted for their religion for christian reasons. That was the argument. Nothing else.
This means, this isn't about whether Jews actually are a race, but about whether the nazis thought so and prosecuted them for their race instead of their religion. And the nazis did prosecute them for their race. I never said that what the nazis said was true.
All I said was that the nazis prosecuted the Jews for their race, not their religion, and why Jews were regarded as a race by the nazis. I never said the Jews were a race.
You, however, said they were prosecuted just for their religion, which is clearly wrong.
So we agree now that the nazis regarded the Jews a race and prosecuted that "race", but they aren't actually a race, right? I hope that is worded unambiguously now. :)
However, I really don't like people prematurely facepalming on me or similiar. That's not cool. This discussion would have been somewhat nicer if you said the same thing without that facepalm. ;)
@Rakly3 Well, I didn't. I guess I can see why you facepalmed there, but imagine me, reading how some dude facepalms on me, on a topic I'm pretty sure I'm right. For me, it reads "This guy doesn't want a civil discussion, he wants to flame".
And btw, claiming I regarded Jews as a race made me kinda look like a nazi, which would be a rather bad accusation...
It's ok now, it was just a misunderstanding. :) I just wanted to say what bugged me about this. :)
@Rakly3 Hmm, I propably would have called him a bigot or an idiot, because it does the job if I understood him right, but wouldn't be too bad if it was a misunderstanding.
Maybe in the past I would have just facepalmed but meanwhile I have a rule not to use any swear words worse than "idiot" on discussions, because want to maintain a level. I actually have seen flamers/trolls who didn't fall to that level either, so it would look like they were the civil ones and I was the "stupid flamer".
@Rakly3 And by the way, I said that I'm German because we learn about our own history more than other countries learn about our history, because they focus more on theirs. Well, you're Belgian, so you I guess you learn much about European history in school, but you could have been American...
@Lukas4C756B6173 - While I agree you could have used the term "race" in 1938, the fact of the matter is religion does not show up in genes. Today, you can say it was a "race war" all you want, but the simple fact of the matter is it was actually a "religion/culture war." Claiming a group of people who share the same religious belief is a "race" is absurd, and leads directly to muslims claiming to be victims of "racism." Historically, we can say "race," but not in the modern context.
@BionicDance And btw, "Gott mit uns" has been used by Prussian kings since 1701. It says so on the German Wikipedia. It was later also used by the German emperors (which were of course also kings of (actually "in") Prussia) and was later put onto the belts by the nazis.
@AceofDiamonds0 Well, the sentence was kind of a German tradition, going back to 1701. But I don't actually know if the soldiers perceived it more as German or more as christian.
And you asked "if THEY were not christians". Right! Hitler didn't have to be christian, the soldiers had to, so it might motivate them!
Don't get me wrong though, I think it is pretty likely that Hitler was a christian, but even if he wasn't he at least wanted everyone to think he's catholic.
Just wondering - what do you think about Buddhism? It's a religion without god and if you ask a Buddhist theologian whether those things in their religion are true, he responds "no, those are only states of your consciousness".
CONT- Of course some Christians will say they are like that, but they support some views. How many humdrum middle class Christians flip out over the gay rights issues, despite the fact that adultery, premarital sex and promiscuity pose more a threat to their traditional marriage values than gay couples? Most of them sit in a church on a Sunday as pious as a Saint and the rest of the week are glib or shallow enough to walk past a beggar. Most are biggoted or sectarian and dont realize it.
Look at the human rights disaster of the Old Testiment with the 'god of furious anger' or the medieval witch burning. The torture and suffering of people willing to burn people in the name of god. Modern times the distain people because of their sexual orientation, killing abortion doctors, holding back stem cell technology, the beating to death of children and the rape by priests. AIDS rampant in sub-saharan Africa. Really moralistic I think not.
Of all the things that Theists are completely unable to figure out for themselves, how could they not notice that we're just now hopefully maybe getting towards the end of World War III?
I even saw Fred Phelp's daughter wonder why we would hate Religion so much, even though whenever we list the reasons we hate religion so much, SHE HERSELF often makes the list.
@TLSlayer1 -nods- There are many problems with religion. It preys on the weak, Children who can't think for themselves, the sick, the mentally ill. I stayed at a hospital for a week a few years ago, and a nurse sat down with me and tried to tell me about god. I was 14. Luckily by that time I thought of god the way I thought of Santa Clause, if santa were like that Homicidal santa robot in the futurama christmas episode...
I stumbled on these videos by pure chance. I like what you say even though you are wrong 99% of the time. I just appreciate you having an opinion and taking the time to do some research. Plus, you have a cool voice. You should think about doing some voice over stuff.
Most of the things you complain about aren't built into religion, it's only from idiots that claim religion backs them.
Christianity is divided into over 32,000 types. If it was built-in to convert others to their own religion, it wouldn't be that divided. Most Christians don't have a clue about their religion and haven't even studied the most important thing to them, the goddamn Bible! It's not the religion's fault, it's the idiot people that claim to be Christian but barely know shit.
On a sidenote, don't tread stem cell research like it's going to be the cure for everything. While we know a lot more about stem cells, we also learn more about it's limitations(for example we know what surfaces will lead to which result(such as bone, marrow, flesh etc) but you can't just inject stem cells into a body and expect them to solve things.
It's largely useful for creating organs in combination with other technologies, which could resolve shortages in the medical world.
@TLSlayer1 I like TJ and BionicDance. The reason he has more subs is because he does a number of things.But I do agree BionicDance do need more subs.I wish TJ and other big YT atheist give her and others shout-outs
I just don't see why atheists can't just live and let live. I mean why do they have to come around knocking on your door on Saturday morning? Why do they have to lobby public officials for special treatment? Why do they have to get fact-based initiatives signed into law?
Why do atheist organizations insist on tax shelter status?
Stem cell research has the possibility to cure or treat many disorders. The potential for this research is mind blowing. And then religious people have to go ruin it for the rest of us by slowing down, and even in some cases stopping the continuation of stem cell research.
I understand opposing the use of stem cells taken from abortions. After all, we dont have a definitive answer yet as to when the brain is capible of creating a conscious being. However these are not the best cells to use anyway because they have already differentiated. The best ones are from eggs that were fertilized for thet very purpose of making stemcells.
If a single cell can be human, then what about the 70% of fertilized eggs that fail to develop?
Living in Alabama, religion hurts me every day. Working with diabetic patients, religion hurts them every day. The really sad thing is most of them are very religious and opposed to stem cell research which has the potential of helping them. I would love for my company to go out of business because a cure is found rather than just watching people die because of religious interference. We need more science and less dogma.
@BionicDance I've just finished a History course and World War II was more to do with race than religion. The Nazis persecuted those who they belived were not prefect humans. At the same time the economy in Germany was suffering and unfortunately they wanted others to blame. That is not to say that religion was not a factor, it was, but not the main factor. Romanies, disabled people, homosexuals, Political prisoners, communists, jewish, non-europeans and more were all targets.
F+T ^. Your message is more clear when you sound ANGRY. Great vid; religions are NOT advocates of tolerance; far from it. Religions say, "Our way is the right way, we're sure of it, and it's the right way for you too. If you disagree, you're wrong." The catholic church deserves special mention in this area. Catholics have made it a point to be in public policy debate for a long time (birth control, abortion, sex ) and some bad laws have passed. SO BE ANGRY !
I could not agree more with this video. Inflection and all. Sometimes the nutters really make me angry at the things they try to pull, nevermind the things that they have already succeeded at. This is one of many reasons why I am going back to school. I'm going to go watch it again I like it so much.
@Brandt761 I think ,just think that is, she's referring to the Holocaust. Also, Hitler's propaganda claimed the Catholics of say France and Eastern Europe were inferior. And the Japanese worshiped their Emperor as a living God .
@geraldyui well, as one of my teachers used to say: yeah but, no but. Propaganda may have claimed all sorts of things, but religion was not an issue of conflict. The Nazis were just as Catholic as the French or Polish. And don't forget, many Eastern Europeans, especially Hungary and Romania were in the Axis. As was Italy, home of the big Papa himself. So nope. no religious reasoms.
@geraldyui The Japanese weren't killing the Chinese for being Buddhist. The Japanese are actually rather laid-back about religion, about half of them being Zen Buddhists, the slightly smaller half plus the Emperor practicing Shintoism.
@geraldyui As for the holocaust, while primarily directed at Jews, it dealt in the same way with Gypsies, Homosexuals, and the non-German "minority" in Poznan and Silesia. And arguably, the Nazis didn't even see the Jews as a religious group (to be frank, I'm not certain the Jews do, entirely) Hitler certainly didn't. While the war was fought for secular reasons (terrritory, ideology, revenge), most of the infamous bigotry was focused on race. Which is not a religion.
@Brandt761 "Primarily" has nothing to do with it; I'm fairly certain there'z bunches of Jews who felt pretty unhappy about Hitler and his gang pickin' on 'em. That's good enough.
@BionicDance yeah, but that had almost nothing to do with religion. During the war, people all over the world were obsessed with race. The Nazis considered Germans to be a superior race, and the Jews as one that had to be destroyed. This was an issue where birth and heritage played the main role, and actual religious belief almost none at all.
i agree with you,bdance.religion has done much more harm than good in the world.the only one worth it's salt is probably buddism, (but i can't speak authoritatively about that..and i am not converting to it, either.)
Honestly, I understand why you attack religion. The reason why I don't is because I can't change anybody's mind. Hell, I couldn't even convince a 8-year-old that the Easter Bunny exists. And believe me, I tried. Also, I don't think you can get really get rid of religion, no matter how hard you try. But what do I know, I'm running on automatic.
All I will say is that you can't 100% disprove God, you can come close. And all who say he can't be are bland to, I like your videos and you make good points, but you still can say there can't be an all powerful god.
My thoughts exactly bionicdance, Religion isn't happy just minding its own business, it poisons everything (as Hitchens says, personally I like to think of it as a virus.) Have you watched 8: The mormon proposition?
yeah, I hear the same bull all the time by theists crybabies "I'm sick and tired of atheists arguing on the internet, or attacking christians/theists/religion. People believe whatever they're gonna believe so just let it be" They might not even know what they're doing, but essentially they're saying we have to shut up and accept the status quo (dominated by the religious who are shoving their beliefs down our throat). Not gonna happen. Religious faith is tearing this world apart. Lose it.
@TLSlayer1 I think TJ's success derives from his complete transparency about himself and his opinions on other matters. He wont shy away from talking about controversial matters or accepting claims about himself that are true. Also... TJ didn't exactly have an easy way to the top. If you've seen any of his old videos you'll see that his success was very gradual. Although you may see him as too big (in more than one sense) I think he has earn't his place in the youtube community. :P
They can't really attack stemcell research on that note anymore, as fetal stemcells have been phased out in favour of a bunch of other stemcells which you can find in any living person.
@BionicDance I made a suggestion on that video where you changed ur hair a lot and asked for suggestions on what to do and I said to make videos on all the bad things religion does like try to prohibit stem cell research, stop abortion and kill abortionists etc.
although I agree on the overall message there are 2 points I would like to address
first is a minor one:laying all the blame of the dark ages to religion is a bit shady if you remember that at the same time there was the byzantine Empire still at Roman technological level but with a branch of christianity(orthodox) as their state religion
second:world war 2 was a religious war? Did I miss something in history class?
@BionicDance and the "reasons" given for this genocide were a combination of racism and conspiracy theories (that jews would "pollute" other races by mixing with them and that they would secretly agitate nations against one another to gain world domination), not that they "didn´t accept jesus christ".
Plus this genocide was but one of their goals for the war (beating france their "mortal enemy", get lots of territory in eastern europe and russia to breed like crazy, destroy communism...)
@TLSlayer1 I wouldn't say he's an idiot, there are some things that he is seriously ignorant about (like what the UK is) but he makes some good points. His success is probably because he's been here so long, if you have subscribers it's easier to get more subscribers (a lot like money). Which of course isn't fair on smaller youtubers but I don't really see a way around it. Also most atheists are nice, or heavily science based. A lot of people (myself NOT included) find that boring so watch him.
I'd prefer to align my resources with a knowledge base that acts like the formation of a diamond. The more heat and pressure, the more SCRUTINY that falls upon science, the STRONGER it gets. Just can't say the same for religions and any other form of bullshit, which is utter destroyed under such forces. Like roaches when the lights come on, reason exposes it for what it is
so it run hides in the darkest corners of human ignorance so it can regroup. GET THE RAID!
Science is the way to go Religion is a downfall to us all. well religions like Christianity and Muslims of the radical kind. it seems like your talking about the religion like The ones that think being Milative and Radical and think their way is the best way when they cause wars in the name of "God" Those people need to be fought stopped and made to see what they are doing while the ones who arnt doing anything to hurt anyone should be left alone.
@TLSlayer1 I don't even know what the secret is of TJ's success...is it just that he's unapologetic and in-your-face or what...? Wish I knew...I'd emulate it long enough to get a hundred thousand subs and then go back to making my usual kinna vids; hook 'em and keep 'em, neh?
@BionicDance Tj likes to use lots of profanity and such. He is a lot more, out there. Under no circumstance will he restrain from saying something. It is like a moderate case of tourettes.
@BionicDance He experiments, he has many different videos and does different things to get new subscribers, I think his success is because of Cody Webbers editing and such, because TJ wasn't that big till he came along...
I completely agree. I'm SICK of religion holding society back, and harming this planet, all because of a book of perverse fairytales.
MEareCAT 3 weeks ago
There is stem-cell research. What you are arguing for is Embryonic stem-cell research. From what I understand, the source would be embryos not used for fertility treatment. What happens to unused embryos now? Are they kept in storage until MaybeSomeday or until they become useless, or are they destroyed before then?
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Great point about stem cell research. I believe secularists should be relentless on this issue, when you consider how much potential suffering it could alleviate.
soulsinger73 2 months ago
Rise Rebel Resist. I'm an Atheist who thrives against Christians with my fist in the air.
KIDNROLL 4 months ago
like the way u think :)
epicwinname 5 months ago
Stem Cells can be harvested from the placentas of newly born babies and not just from aborted fetuses. Bone marrow also contains stem cells and with enough research and thought we will be able to grow small voluntary donations into larger useable samples. I hope one day i can go and donate stemcells just as i donate blood today.
FattyMcFox 6 months ago
would u make religion illegal if u could?
FilmXKicks06 6 months ago
@FilmXKicks06 Honestly? No.
Oh, I WISH I could...but...I believe in freedom, even the freedom to be a frickin' idiot if you choose. That includes being religious, much as I hate that fact.
I would only make it illegal for religion to have an unwanted impact upon the lives of those who are not in the religion; your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose, and your religion's right to fuck with people ends outside your congregation.
That's egalitarianism, baby.
BionicDance 6 months ago 2
0:30 "Without religion interfering this planet would be in a very different state; more advanced, and less conflicted."
I'm not sure what you mean here. I'm all for showing it's a concept we should have outgrown by now and is presently holding us back, but it sounds like you're saying we'd have been better off if it had never existed, and I'm not convinced that's the case. I'd in fact say that due to our social nature, something like religion was inevitable and we'd have died off without it.
firefly4f4 6 months ago
@firefly4f4 or at least been completely different beings. That isn't to say we shouldn't discard it now, but I don't believe the "we'd be more advanced" without it holds in that scenario. I don't think there's any basis to say WHAT we'd be like if there never was a concept like religion.
firefly4f4 6 months ago
@firefly4f4 Religion holds us back scientifically and socially. Religion is a source of science-denial; need I point out religion's stance on evolution, among other things? Religion is a source of bigotry; need I point out their stance on homosexuality? Religion is a source of wars.
Think about it...religion has caused so many fucking problems in this world that calling for its complete destruction hardly seems like ENOUGH!
BionicDance 6 months ago
@BionicDance Keight, as I said in my first post, "I'm all for showing it's a concept we should have outgrown by now and is presently holding us back". So do not misunderstand me; I think religion is an outdated concept we should NOW discard.
It's the phrases, "we'd be more advanced" and later on "religion has been anything BUT beneficial to humanity" that I have a problem with. Religion, per my understanding of it's history, were the first forms of government and community building. (cont)
firefly4f4 6 months ago
@firefly4f4 Without those early forms of community and government, I don't think we'd even be around having this discussion, and that those particular statements of yours are unsupportable. IF religion had never existed, there's no way to say IF we would be more advanced or not -- the best you could say is that it would be different. Similarly, saying it has had no benefits is simply, demonstrably wrong. Now, if you say we can have those benefits NOW without religion, I can agree with.
firefly4f4 6 months ago
@firefly4f4 Then you're thinking of this out-of-context. If you've already acknowledged that religion is holding us back, THEN YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE MESSAGE.
BionicDance 6 months ago
@BionicDance Again, keight, it's only the historical context "if we had never had it we'd have been better off" part I have an issue with :). We no longer need it, and it should be discarded, IMO.
I really don't mean to start "drama" about this -- I saw those points as weaker parts of the video, and figured it would be better if someone who usually agrees with you points out potential pitfalls of the argument rather than someone who believes religion presently AND historically is/was useful.
firefly4f4 6 months ago
@firefly4f4 Then you're off-topic, taking what I'm saying out of context.
If you don't want to start drama, ACCEPT THAT AND MOVE ON. Please.
BionicDance 6 months ago
You, Keight, are my hero!!!!
727Phoenix 6 months ago
I'm sorry. i am persecuting them and not playing nice.
JusticeIsWhere 6 months ago
Rick Perry prayer and pledge: The pledge supports a proposed federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and would take away the rights of states to choose whether they support same-sex marriages.
JusticeIsWhere 6 months ago
Sadly, Spaying and neutering does not stop the transmission of a disease that infects our society. -- lol good try though. It is bullshit how a group (i.e. Christians) can ostracize another group of Americans (i.e. Gays, Atheists, Mexicans, Amerindians) with a moral impunity because of an imagined and perceived position they hold with a god delusion. I guess i missed this country being christian and all others subject to their grace and love. Borg--resistance is futile!
JusticeIsWhere 6 months ago
Theist: Please play nice with me, while i count you as an inferior person going to hell. Oh, i don't mean to devalue you, but the bible tells me god hates you. You see your an object , a threat to god's plan not mine, so please understand and play nice with me. You see I am much like a program needing to run as i am programmed, oh is that your life blood flowing from your throat, don't worry god is in control, please play nice with me because " I AM GOD." ---Hate the theology, not the theist.
JusticeIsWhere 6 months ago
@ryktan And there we have it. Another Nazi white supremest is exposed. While you watch the WORLD economy collapse (keeping in mind that effects everyone on the planet, including you) I will watch the plague of Islam conquer Europe. I'd rather be broke than a Muslim, enjoy. sieg hiel ,,!,,
CATWProductions 6 months ago
Testify sister!
OWC2000 6 months ago
@ryktan You just contradicted yourself and proved my point, thanks. It is an ideology, not a breed of people. We have a BINGO. Also, I didn't realize victims had to do anything wrong to be victimized, like you claim above. You are coming across as an arrogant goof with a superiority complex. Miss Hitler? Miss his way of life? There is a reason that the SS scum only lasted 15 years. The other 2.3 billion people on the planet at that time would not tolerate it. This conversation ends now.
CATWProductions 6 months ago
@ryktan Let me ask you this. What % of muslims/christians, from the middle east carry those same genetic markers? I will make this a simple as I can. Anyone from anywhere, including me, with time, effort and desire can become Jewish. I can't become African, or Asian. Do you see the difference?
CATWProductions 6 months ago
@ryktan I assume you are referring to the Halakha? It includes biblical laws. Therefore religious. As far as the genetic issue, 20+ centuries of genocide and slaughter from every angle could make a gene pool sorta small. I am sure had ancient Jews won against, Christians and Muslims, the genetics would be a little different.
CATWProductions 6 months ago
Do you have religious friends? Because I do, and I'm an Atheist who does think that religion is crazy and harmful. I however try not to "rock the boat" and avoid religious conversation at all because I fear losing them. Every now and then though they bring it up and I just nod politely..and doing so makes me feel uncomfortable. Have you ever had this problem?
Osungru 6 months ago
in the ear?!?!
morleydotes666 6 months ago
Did anyone else see the single muslim add next to this video? I would think that the muslims who follow BD are people looking for a fight.
jdwjeffrey 6 months ago
Had to have this convo with a fellow atheist recently. When the fundies invade the beach with their "god hates fags" signs, my skeptics group goes out to the beach with an atheist sign to present the logical argument . My fellow says its too aggressive of us to have a poster that reads "I read the bible and now I'm a proud atheist." I thought it was tame in comparison to "Sinners, repent or burn in hell!"
AtheistAthlete 6 months ago
Fuck religion! It's for lazy pussies!
talkingprimate 6 months ago
a thing i already noticed, that your fighting a monster, religion. But do not become the monster yourself. "and everybody who thinks otherwise is clearly doing so in oposition of the facts" (2:22), These are dangerous hatefull statements for people for running on automatic. I just warn you, do not create a dogma yourself.
lompeluiten 6 months ago
I agree mostly with everything, and I like the video. But world war two?,I don't think it started over religion.
diazmgl3211 6 months ago
Technically every god myth I have read about all have horrible human like qualities, which in my opinion is never ever worth worshiping.
realigiousrayne 6 months ago
during WWII the vatican and pope, at the time, never spoke out against what hitler and the nazis were doing. they didnt support hitler by any means, but they never publicly stood against hitlers regime ethier.
AceofDiamonds0 6 months ago
I loved the video.:D
Also, did you hear about the mormon mother that hot sauced her child? What are your thoughts on this?
Aluenvey 6 months ago
@Aluenvey Pain as discipline is sick.
BionicDance 6 months ago 6
@Aluenvey
Hot sauced?
88Keyz101 6 months ago
Absolutely PERFECT!
Woodchuck1949 6 months ago
God's will fucks us all in the ear. Bwahaha! Great video!
Feralg33k 6 months ago
Good video. However, one of the downsides of being a grammar Nazi is you no longer get to say things like "reek" havoc, instead of "wreck" without being called out.
blurglide 6 months ago
@blurglide It's "wreak", dude. You WREAK havoc.
BionicDance 6 months ago 10
Nobody expect the Spanish Inquisition!
startreking2007 6 months ago
Can't forget the burning times, love.
HimesInu 6 months ago
I know you're lesbian and I don't want to offend you, but after watching this video...
Take me right here! Right now!
Rakly3 6 months ago
terrific vid. religion sucks.
gothatfunk 6 months ago
@gothatfunk Indeed.
Thanks! :)
BionicDance 6 months ago
I couldn't agree more
Jack529Teal 6 months ago
You fuk'n won me girl!
Wallabytrack 6 months ago
You might be technically correct, but we're not doing ourselves any favors by alienating all religious people. Not all religious people are our enemies. Not all of them are nutjobs. What's that saying about getting more bees with honey than vinegar?
emagneticboy97 6 months ago
@emagneticboy97 The moderates should be policing their own, telling the rabid-and-screaming zealots who're ostensibly on their side to shut the fuck up. You know...more flies with honey and all that.
And given how these chowdermonkeys all seem to be attracted top the preachers that tell them they're damned sinners and going to hell, maybe givin' 'em shit is EXACTLY what's called for; shame and ridicule seem to work on these people!
BionicDance 6 months ago 2
@emagneticboy97 I think it's "you get more bees with honey than vinegar." You almost had it! The people following religion to the letter are the ones doing it RIGHT. Religious moderates provide a safe haven, an air of legitimacy, and new recruits for these people.
blurglide 6 months ago
Religion was established when there was not even basic scientific understanding among humans. And now look how much we've advanced, the stem cell research being the perfect example of such achievements. But hanging on to fairy tales in ancient book written about HUMANS about a separate dude chilling in the magic cloud land is like a forty-year-old believing in Santa Claus. You'd think they would have grown out of the stupid childish belief a VERY long time ago.
DimSimToughBitch 6 months ago
Agree with about 98% of your vid.
One thing, though, religion has been useful to humanity, and in some religions, still is.
Take, for example, native Australian tribes - their religions include stories and fables that they believe as true, but also helps them pass on the knowledge of the land. For example, their religion might tell them where water is, or what kind of food is edible.
I remember one example, they believe a giant had been killed and petrified, and they believe...
Vehementi 6 months ago
@Vehementi believe...that this giant is now a massive stone. This gives them two things, it helps with navigation and tells them where they can find shelter from the sun if they need it.
Religion isn't entirely useless, for tribes living as they have for thousands of years it keeps them alive, it just has no place in modern society.
Vehementi 6 months ago
@Vehementi - The Human Immunodeficiency Virus isn't "entirely useless," either. There are definitely situations where it could be useful to have around. Cancer can also be useful, in certain situations. Do we now decide to tolerate these things instead of trying to eradicate them?
LeksServices 6 months ago
@LeksServices So you're saying we should eradicate the beliefs of many African and Australian tribes - myths and legends that they believe because it shows them how to survive in some of the harshest environments on Earth - just because the other 99% of beliefs in the world are fucking the world up?
True, these tribes are never going to be the first civilisation to colonize other planets, or discover the unifying theory of physics, but they don't need to...
Vehementi 6 months ago
@LeksServices All they need to do is live, and survive, and they're taught these things from a young age to make passing on the knowledge to survive in these harsh environments easier. Their beliefs teach them what foods are safe to eat, where to find these foods, where to find water, how to build shelters, how to find their way around vast, arid deserts. Their religion has a practical, beneficial use.
AIDS and cancer don't.
Vehementi 6 months ago
How did World war two have anything to do with religion
Danzul23 6 months ago
@Danzul23 Jews. Concentration camps. Remember?
"Gott Mit Uns" on Nazi belt buckles. Remember?
BionicDance 6 months ago 6
@BionicDance But Hitler wasn't inherently religious in fact he disliked Christians his hate of the Jews was racially based not religious.
Danzul23 6 months ago
@Danzul23 Oh, come now...Hitler WAS christian; he says so in "Mein Kampf".
BionicDance 6 months ago 11
@BionicDance The Jews weren't prosecuted for their religion but for their RACE! Religion has nothing to do with that, at least not chrisitanity. Maybe if you want to call the blind belief into the nazi doctrine a religion, it is religious, but it's not because of christianity.
Hitler may or may not have been a christian, all we know is that he claimed to be catholic. Christians claim Hitler did his crimes because he was an atheist and I think we shouldn't go into that level...
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173 :facepalm:
Do you even know what 'race' is? Race even shows in your DNA. Being a jew does not.
The Nazi party was a -political- movement built on and backed by christianity, just like the modern day Tea Party.
Rakly3 6 months ago
@Rakly3 Facepalm on you. I am German, so we learn this stuff very thoroughly in school.
The nazis hated the jews as a RACE! That's a fact. Just like they wanted to breed their aryan RACE.
You couldn't escape the nazis by simply converting to christianity!
You should know that most people have the religion of their parents. So Jewish parents (and they mostly only married other Jews) have Jewish children. And jews originally come from Israel, so they were an own RACE to the nazis.
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173 You're german, i'm belgian
I don't see how that makes you right. (We see this stuff throughout our entire education too)
It's not because the Nazis believed Jews were a race, that that means it's true.
Aryan isn't a race either, they just believed it was.
I know most people inherent their parent's religion, that still doesn't make it a race. What if I convert to Judaism and move to Israel, does that mean my race changes?
Rakly3 6 months ago
@Rakly3 Dude, I said that Jews were prosecuted for their race and you facepalmed and said that the Jews were prosecuted for their religion for christian reasons. That was the argument. Nothing else.
This means, this isn't about whether Jews actually are a race, but about whether the nazis thought so and prosecuted them for their race instead of their religion. And the nazis did prosecute them for their race. I never said that what the nazis said was true.
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173
"This means, this isn't about whether Jews actually are a race,"
You are the one who said they were.
Rakly3 6 months ago
@Rakly3 "You are the one who said they were."
Quote me where I said that!
All I said was that the nazis prosecuted the Jews for their race, not their religion, and why Jews were regarded as a race by the nazis. I never said the Jews were a race.
You, however, said they were prosecuted just for their religion, which is clearly wrong.
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
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Rakly3 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173 I think we are saying the same thing but misunderstanding each other :)
Rakly3 6 months ago
@Rakly3 Maybe so...
So we agree now that the nazis regarded the Jews a race and prosecuted that "race", but they aren't actually a race, right? I hope that is worded unambiguously now. :)
However, I really don't like people prematurely facepalming on me or similiar. That's not cool. This discussion would have been somewhat nicer if you said the same thing without that facepalm. ;)
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173
"This discussion would have been somewhat nicer if you said the same thing without that facepalm. ;)"
I really thought you said that jews were a race, that's why I facepalmed.
Rakly3 6 months ago
@Rakly3 Well, I didn't. I guess I can see why you facepalmed there, but imagine me, reading how some dude facepalms on me, on a topic I'm pretty sure I'm right. For me, it reads "This guy doesn't want a civil discussion, he wants to flame".
And btw, claiming I regarded Jews as a race made me kinda look like a nazi, which would be a rather bad accusation...
It's ok now, it was just a misunderstanding. :) I just wanted to say what bugged me about this. :)
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173 Yes we agree
But wouldn't you facepalm if some one said that jews were a race?
ok ok ok, I now see that you didn't say that, but at that time I thought you did.
My sincere apologies for that!
Rakly3 6 months ago
@Rakly3 Hmm, I propably would have called him a bigot or an idiot, because it does the job if I understood him right, but wouldn't be too bad if it was a misunderstanding.
Maybe in the past I would have just facepalmed but meanwhile I have a rule not to use any swear words worse than "idiot" on discussions, because want to maintain a level. I actually have seen flamers/trolls who didn't fall to that level either, so it would look like they were the civil ones and I was the "stupid flamer".
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Rakly3 Anyways, I don't blame you for facepalming, if you sincerely thought that, I just wanted to show you how it looked in my side. ;)
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Rakly3 And by the way, I said that I'm German because we learn about our own history more than other countries learn about our history, because they focus more on theirs. Well, you're Belgian, so you I guess you learn much about European history in school, but you could have been American...
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173 I hear you (I love how your English grammar is better than most american's btw)
I'm not sure if you saw my previous reply to you so i'll quote it real quick:
"I think we are saying the same thing but misunderstanding each other :)"
Rakly3 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173 - While I agree you could have used the term "race" in 1938, the fact of the matter is religion does not show up in genes. Today, you can say it was a "race war" all you want, but the simple fact of the matter is it was actually a "religion/culture war." Claiming a group of people who share the same religious belief is a "race" is absurd, and leads directly to muslims claiming to be victims of "racism." Historically, we can say "race," but not in the modern context.
LeksServices 6 months ago
@BionicDance And btw, "Gott mit uns" has been used by Prussian kings since 1701. It says so on the German Wikipedia. It was later also used by the German emperors (which were of course also kings of (actually "in") Prussia) and was later put onto the belts by the nazis.
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@Lukas4C756B6173
no matter where the term 'Gott mit uns' comes from the nazis still had it on their belts and why would they wear that if they were not christians?
AceofDiamonds0 6 months ago
@AceofDiamonds0 Well, the sentence was kind of a German tradition, going back to 1701. But I don't actually know if the soldiers perceived it more as German or more as christian.
And you asked "if THEY were not christians". Right! Hitler didn't have to be christian, the soldiers had to, so it might motivate them!
Don't get me wrong though, I think it is pretty likely that Hitler was a christian, but even if he wasn't he at least wanted everyone to think he's catholic.
Lukas4C756B6173 6 months ago
@BionicDance you actually read his book? I am not going to ask why if you did
amosyboy1 6 months ago
@Danzul23 Jew is not a race, it´s a religious affiliation!
kirafan68 6 months ago
@BionicDance meh pointless of having a youtube war espically when I respect you so much lol from a fellow atheist live and let live :)?
Danzul23 6 months ago
Just wondering - what do you think about Buddhism? It's a religion without god and if you ask a Buddhist theologian whether those things in their religion are true, he responds "no, those are only states of your consciousness".
DevelX666 6 months ago
@DevelX666 Fluffy-bunny bullshit that avoids giving a straight answer.
BionicDance 6 months ago
@BionicDance Fair enough.
DevelX666 6 months ago
CONT- Of course some Christians will say they are like that, but they support some views. How many humdrum middle class Christians flip out over the gay rights issues, despite the fact that adultery, premarital sex and promiscuity pose more a threat to their traditional marriage values than gay couples? Most of them sit in a church on a Sunday as pious as a Saint and the rest of the week are glib or shallow enough to walk past a beggar. Most are biggoted or sectarian and dont realize it.
MsOneiroi77 6 months ago
Gods law is a moralistic waste of time.
Look at the human rights disaster of the Old Testiment with the 'god of furious anger' or the medieval witch burning. The torture and suffering of people willing to burn people in the name of god. Modern times the distain people because of their sexual orientation, killing abortion doctors, holding back stem cell technology, the beating to death of children and the rape by priests. AIDS rampant in sub-saharan Africa. Really moralistic I think not.
MsOneiroi77 6 months ago
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MsOneiroi77 6 months ago
Damn right!
Of all the things that Theists are completely unable to figure out for themselves, how could they not notice that we're just now hopefully maybe getting towards the end of World War III?
I even saw Fred Phelp's daughter wonder why we would hate Religion so much, even though whenever we list the reasons we hate religion so much, SHE HERSELF often makes the list.
dechha1981 6 months ago
@TLSlayer1 -nods- There are many problems with religion. It preys on the weak, Children who can't think for themselves, the sick, the mentally ill. I stayed at a hospital for a week a few years ago, and a nurse sat down with me and tried to tell me about god. I was 14. Luckily by that time I thought of god the way I thought of Santa Clause, if santa were like that Homicidal santa robot in the futurama christmas episode...
LotusPhoenix93 6 months ago
@sharlamane - She's actually right 99% of the time. But, it's good that we can agree to disagree 99% of the time.
richardpweiss 6 months ago
I stumbled on these videos by pure chance. I like what you say even though you are wrong 99% of the time. I just appreciate you having an opinion and taking the time to do some research. Plus, you have a cool voice. You should think about doing some voice over stuff.
Sharlamane 6 months ago
I look forward to the day that Religion is no longer allowed to sit at the grown-up table of political discourse.
IkedaHakubi 6 months ago
Don't you just love the "you scratch my back I stab yours" mentality?
MageGrayWolf 6 months ago
Most of the things you complain about aren't built into religion, it's only from idiots that claim religion backs them.
Christianity is divided into over 32,000 types. If it was built-in to convert others to their own religion, it wouldn't be that divided. Most Christians don't have a clue about their religion and haven't even studied the most important thing to them, the goddamn Bible! It's not the religion's fault, it's the idiot people that claim to be Christian but barely know shit.
pengabob 6 months ago
@pengabob I care a lot less about what religion says and much, much more about how the god-botherers BEHAVE.
BionicDance 6 months ago
@BionicDance Ah yes, I can see that after watching again and what you mean by "running on automatic."
pengabob 6 months ago
On a sidenote, don't tread stem cell research like it's going to be the cure for everything. While we know a lot more about stem cells, we also learn more about it's limitations(for example we know what surfaces will lead to which result(such as bone, marrow, flesh etc) but you can't just inject stem cells into a body and expect them to solve things.
It's largely useful for creating organs in combination with other technologies, which could resolve shortages in the medical world.
88gertjan88 6 months ago
@TLSlayer1 I like TJ and BionicDance. The reason he has more subs is because he does a number of things.But I do agree BionicDance do need more subs.I wish TJ and other big YT atheist give her and others shout-outs
MrBlackatheist 6 months ago
I just don't see why atheists can't just live and let live. I mean why do they have to come around knocking on your door on Saturday morning? Why do they have to lobby public officials for special treatment? Why do they have to get fact-based initiatives signed into law?
Why do atheist organizations insist on tax shelter status?
lazyperfectionist1 6 months ago
Nailed It! <3
signalduck 6 months ago
@ryktan You need to know that the world Jewish does not refer to a race, or breed of human. It is a religion.
CATWProductions 6 months ago
Imagine no religion.......
gaglamesh731 6 months ago
Stem cell research has the possibility to cure or treat many disorders. The potential for this research is mind blowing. And then religious people have to go ruin it for the rest of us by slowing down, and even in some cases stopping the continuation of stem cell research.
coda623 6 months ago
I understand opposing the use of stem cells taken from abortions. After all, we dont have a definitive answer yet as to when the brain is capible of creating a conscious being. However these are not the best cells to use anyway because they have already differentiated. The best ones are from eggs that were fertilized for thet very purpose of making stemcells.
If a single cell can be human, then what about the 70% of fertilized eggs that fail to develop?
Felhaven 6 months ago
@Felhaven that would mean that if you have 2 kids right now then, statisticaly, you also have 4-5 dead children that you didn't even know about.
Felhaven 6 months ago
Living in Alabama, religion hurts me every day. Working with diabetic patients, religion hurts them every day. The really sad thing is most of them are very religious and opposed to stem cell research which has the potential of helping them. I would love for my company to go out of business because a cure is found rather than just watching people die because of religious interference. We need more science and less dogma.
MsReasonAddict 6 months ago
VERY GOOD WORK-- RIGHT ON
paulahare2 6 months ago
@ryktan Remember all those Jews in concentration camps?
BionicDance 6 months ago
@BionicDance I've just finished a History course and World War II was more to do with race than religion. The Nazis persecuted those who they belived were not prefect humans. At the same time the economy in Germany was suffering and unfortunately they wanted others to blame. That is not to say that religion was not a factor, it was, but not the main factor. Romanies, disabled people, homosexuals, Political prisoners, communists, jewish, non-europeans and more were all targets.
SuperGate1 6 months ago
@BionicDance Not to mention Hitler's certainty that he was following the will of God.
lazyperfectionist1 6 months ago
YEA, angry Bionic my fav type!
Cade57 6 months ago
F+T ^. Your message is more clear when you sound ANGRY. Great vid; religions are NOT advocates of tolerance; far from it. Religions say, "Our way is the right way, we're sure of it, and it's the right way for you too. If you disagree, you're wrong." The catholic church deserves special mention in this area. Catholics have made it a point to be in public policy debate for a long time (birth control, abortion, sex ) and some bad laws have passed. SO BE ANGRY !
thereforeithought 6 months ago
ur cute
gangbang955 6 months ago
I could not agree more with this video. Inflection and all. Sometimes the nutters really make me angry at the things they try to pull, nevermind the things that they have already succeeded at. This is one of many reasons why I am going back to school. I'm going to go watch it again I like it so much.
Eldrave20 6 months ago
ok, I'm new here. Who the hell is TJ?? and why should I care?
geraldyui 6 months ago
@geraldyui TJ Kinciad AKA TheAmaingAtheist, AKA TJDoeslife, AKA that obnoxious fat fuck.
Fuctmentality 6 months ago
Great logic!!!
cosmos11 6 months ago
Um, WWII was not primarily fought over religious issues.
Brandt761 6 months ago
@Brandt761 I think ,just think that is, she's referring to the Holocaust. Also, Hitler's propaganda claimed the Catholics of say France and Eastern Europe were inferior. And the Japanese worshiped their Emperor as a living God .
geraldyui 6 months ago
@geraldyui well, as one of my teachers used to say: yeah but, no but. Propaganda may have claimed all sorts of things, but religion was not an issue of conflict. The Nazis were just as Catholic as the French or Polish. And don't forget, many Eastern Europeans, especially Hungary and Romania were in the Axis. As was Italy, home of the big Papa himself. So nope. no religious reasoms.
Brandt761 6 months ago
@geraldyui The Japanese weren't killing the Chinese for being Buddhist. The Japanese are actually rather laid-back about religion, about half of them being Zen Buddhists, the slightly smaller half plus the Emperor practicing Shintoism.
Brandt761 6 months ago
@geraldyui As for the holocaust, while primarily directed at Jews, it dealt in the same way with Gypsies, Homosexuals, and the non-German "minority" in Poznan and Silesia. And arguably, the Nazis didn't even see the Jews as a religious group (to be frank, I'm not certain the Jews do, entirely) Hitler certainly didn't. While the war was fought for secular reasons (terrritory, ideology, revenge), most of the infamous bigotry was focused on race. Which is not a religion.
Brandt761 6 months ago
@Brandt761 "Primarily" has nothing to do with it; I'm fairly certain there'z bunches of Jews who felt pretty unhappy about Hitler and his gang pickin' on 'em. That's good enough.
BionicDance 6 months ago 4
@BionicDance yeah, but that had almost nothing to do with religion. During the war, people all over the world were obsessed with race. The Nazis considered Germans to be a superior race, and the Jews as one that had to be destroyed. This was an issue where birth and heritage played the main role, and actual religious belief almost none at all.
Brandt761 6 months ago
@Brandt761 Brandt, are you gonna be ok? I got it: we don't agree.
Let's shake hands and move on.
geraldyui 6 months ago
@geraldyui where to?
Brandt761 6 months ago
i agree with you,bdance.religion has done much more harm than good in the world.the only one worth it's salt is probably buddism, (but i can't speak authoritatively about that..and i am not converting to it, either.)
practicalmagic9 6 months ago
Live and let die!
sandform 6 months ago
Honestly, I understand why you attack religion. The reason why I don't is because I can't change anybody's mind. Hell, I couldn't even convince a 8-year-old that the Easter Bunny exists. And believe me, I tried. Also, I don't think you can get really get rid of religion, no matter how hard you try. But what do I know, I'm running on automatic.
Justinfh2point0 6 months ago
@Justinfh2point0 The only solution to the bullshit that religion has caused is to keep it separate from government. LOL, good luck with that.
Justinfh2point0 6 months ago
All I will say is that you can't 100% disprove God, you can come close. And all who say he can't be are bland to, I like your videos and you make good points, but you still can say there can't be an all powerful god.
goku48071 6 months ago
My thoughts exactly bionicdance, Religion isn't happy just minding its own business, it poisons everything (as Hitchens says, personally I like to think of it as a virus.) Have you watched 8: The mormon proposition?
LotusPhoenix93 6 months ago
@TLSlayer1 yeah, we don't have to agree with everything they say.
TheMundaneMadcap 6 months ago
yeah, I hear the same bull all the time by theists crybabies "I'm sick and tired of atheists arguing on the internet, or attacking christians/theists/religion. People believe whatever they're gonna believe so just let it be" They might not even know what they're doing, but essentially they're saying we have to shut up and accept the status quo (dominated by the religious who are shoving their beliefs down our throat). Not gonna happen. Religious faith is tearing this world apart. Lose it.
viridismonasteriense 6 months ago
@TLSlayer1 I think TJ's success derives from his complete transparency about himself and his opinions on other matters. He wont shy away from talking about controversial matters or accepting claims about himself that are true. Also... TJ didn't exactly have an easy way to the top. If you've seen any of his old videos you'll see that his success was very gradual. Although you may see him as too big (in more than one sense) I think he has earn't his place in the youtube community. :P
InsertComicalName 6 months ago
They can't really attack stemcell research on that note anymore, as fetal stemcells have been phased out in favour of a bunch of other stemcells which you can find in any living person.
xxhellspawnedxx 6 months ago
Amen!
kilroy227 6 months ago
@BionicDance Did you get the idea of this video from me? :)
dawnbringerSO 6 months ago
@dawnbringerSO Don't think so...where would I have?
BionicDance 6 months ago
@BionicDance I made a suggestion on that video where you changed ur hair a lot and asked for suggestions on what to do and I said to make videos on all the bad things religion does like try to prohibit stem cell research, stop abortion and kill abortionists etc.
dawnbringerSO 6 months ago
@dawnbringerSO Ah. Quite.
Well, at the beginning of the vid, I DO mention my motivation: the people who tell me to just live and let live with religion.
BionicDance 6 months ago
Good video. The title led me to think that you would be attacking the "go forth and multiply" commandment, but no. Not this time anyways. ;-)
GottaReboot 6 months ago
although I agree on the overall message there are 2 points I would like to address
first is a minor one:laying all the blame of the dark ages to religion is a bit shady if you remember that at the same time there was the byzantine Empire still at Roman technological level but with a branch of christianity(orthodox) as their state religion
second:world war 2 was a religious war? Did I miss something in history class?
DeHerg 6 months ago
@DeHerg Remember all those Jews in concentration camps? *raised eyebrow*
BionicDance 6 months ago
@BionicDance and the "reasons" given for this genocide were a combination of racism and conspiracy theories (that jews would "pollute" other races by mixing with them and that they would secretly agitate nations against one another to gain world domination), not that they "didn´t accept jesus christ".
Plus this genocide was but one of their goals for the war (beating france their "mortal enemy", get lots of territory in eastern europe and russia to breed like crazy, destroy communism...)
DeHerg 6 months ago
This video is badass, just like all of BionicDance's videos.
CCPcakes 6 months ago
great vid, great point but don't hold your breath for them to go first
Moontanman 6 months ago
@TLSlayer1 I wouldn't say he's an idiot, there are some things that he is seriously ignorant about (like what the UK is) but he makes some good points. His success is probably because he's been here so long, if you have subscribers it's easier to get more subscribers (a lot like money). Which of course isn't fair on smaller youtubers but I don't really see a way around it. Also most atheists are nice, or heavily science based. A lot of people (myself NOT included) find that boring so watch him.
TheMundaneMadcap 6 months ago
Trying to get creationism add to science text books is the one that bugs me the most, if they manage to do it, you get a crop of idiots...
bigfatbaataed 6 months ago
I love you.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
I'd prefer to align my resources with a knowledge base that acts like the formation of a diamond. The more heat and pressure, the more SCRUTINY that falls upon science, the STRONGER it gets. Just can't say the same for religions and any other form of bullshit, which is utter destroyed under such forces. Like roaches when the lights come on, reason exposes it for what it is
so it run hides in the darkest corners of human ignorance so it can regroup. GET THE RAID!
FadingEvil 6 months ago
@TLSlayer1, i must ask, how is TJ an idiot? more or less how are these people with thousands of subs idiots, i'm just curious
Mokenofrs 6 months ago
Damn right.
moonlightavenger 6 months ago
Right on. Stem cell search probably could cured my physical disability. Religion needs to die out so humanity can prosper, grow, advanced.
TheStarTreker 6 months ago 17
Science is the way to go Religion is a downfall to us all. well religions like Christianity and Muslims of the radical kind. it seems like your talking about the religion like The ones that think being Milative and Radical and think their way is the best way when they cause wars in the name of "God" Those people need to be fought stopped and made to see what they are doing while the ones who arnt doing anything to hurt anyone should be left alone.
blackcat445577 6 months ago
agreed, put me in to this war.
Gemeni3insane 6 months ago
I DISAGREE A BIT AND AGREE
bellyzbad 6 months ago
@TLSlayer1 I don't even know what the secret is of TJ's success...is it just that he's unapologetic and in-your-face or what...? Wish I knew...I'd emulate it long enough to get a hundred thousand subs and then go back to making my usual kinna vids; hook 'em and keep 'em, neh?
BionicDance 6 months ago 9
@BionicDance Tj likes to use lots of profanity and such. He is a lot more, out there. Under no circumstance will he restrain from saying something. It is like a moderate case of tourettes.
DeathsWill228 6 months ago
@BionicDance He experiments, he has many different videos and does different things to get new subscribers, I think his success is because of Cody Webbers editing and such, because TJ wasn't that big till he came along...
foofiter9097 6 months ago
@BionicDance It's a combination of a few things of why TJ is popular.
1. His username. Hate to say it, but this is probably the number 1 reason, unfortunately. Seriously, that's how I first found him.
2. He's crude, but in a funny way. Sure, it's unintelligible, and often distasteful, but it IS entertaining.
3. He's angry, and he's really good at it. Good to empathize with.
He got a subscriber out of me. But then again, so did you, and I watch all yours, so who am I to say anything.
Yiroep4 6 months ago