Socrotes's game wasn't for self preservation in the courtroom (knowing he called upon a dead friend and a god as a witness, and said he should get free meals for his service), it was to unearth and understand the truth. He stayed true to principal as a philosopher and as an Athenian. Ancients believed that you aren't human when you live outside a city; and socrotese refused to leave and would rather be put to death.
Socrates implies that one cannot break a law and keep the institution of law and order intact, this was introduced in his dialogue with crito. there he clarifies that he is submitting to the laws introduced by society, this is because y choosing to live in a society with laws, obligates you to abide by them, all of them, because it is an implied contract, and by not doing so you are an advocate for anarchy and a danger to the institution that is law and order. Now MLK had a third option....
@harorules to submission and anarchy, he showed taht you can weed out the unjust law by breaking it, but then submitting to the penalty thereafter. This is clearly pointed out in his letter from Birmingham jail.
@harorules to submission and anarchy, he showed taht you can weed out the unjust law by breaking it, but then submitting to the penalty thereafter. This is clearly pointed out in his letter from Birmingham jail.
Plato was probably the greatest ancient greek philosopher of literary merit, but he seems to have had a great deal of admiration for Socrates who was preserved in Plato's writings since Socrates himself wrote nothing at all. It is selflessly ironic that someone as brilliant as Plato should therefore be upstaged by one of his own characters who represented the greatest ancient greek philosopher of them all; if we are to believe Plato that is, and there is no reason why we shouldn't in my view.
@rodencirio How? The whole point is Socrates didn't change his principles and chose to die rather than submit to anyone, how does that instill fear and submission to the government? It does the opposite.
@ELYASELYAS Because the people around then see what happens to you if you don't change the principles, (that is, you die) it would seem natural that they would fear to do so themselves and would more likely submit to the the government.
It's understandable that a man like Socrates (old, no children) chose death rather than denying his ideals, but what about a person who has to care for his children? That kind of person will likely upon seeing something like this submit to the government.
No way is the story of Socrates "just a tool to manipulate society..." I really doubt that what happened to Socrates truly happened exactly as it was written down; however, there's reason to believe it was similar. Yes, Plato was using the story to express his own philosophy (and probably the philosophy of Socrates as well), and because of that, parts of it are probably not true. But much of it must be true because Plato was writing for his contemporaries who would know if he was lying.
Compare and contrast how and why Socrates and Dr.Martin Luther King Jr. operated as a "gadfly" in their society. Do you think that a "gadfly" is a necessary component to a healthy society? why or why not? Argue your answers with references to the readings, personal experiences and/or hypothetical scenarios.
Compare and contrast how and why Socrates and Dr.Martin Luther King Jr. operated as a "gadfly" in their society. Do you think that a "gadfly" is a necessary component to a healthy society? why or why not? Argue your answers with references to the readings, personal experiences and/or hypothetical scenarios.
"He knows nothing but thinks he knows everything and I know that I know nothing. " I always think of this quote (or varient of it) that humans dont progress communally so much as they do individually for socrates to understand these things so many years ago when many people today are still as foolish as that politician. What gives me hope though is that there must then also be people like socrates in this "modern" world of ours.
Why doesn't Socrates further explain corruption of the youth? Such as,If I corrupt the youth, then I make them wicked. Evil people harm those around them. No one intentionally does what is harmful to himself/herself
@Hellzing123 I don't know if your referencing just this video as I am in the middle of watching it. However, in the actual translation of Plato's Apology(defense) that is in my Classics of Western Philosophy textbook he uses your exact defense if I remember correctly.
Socrates knows he is guilty. Xenophon's account of Socrates defense speech tells us that he wanted to be convicted. The question is why? possible answers are 1 he didn't fear death 2 to become a martyr for philosophy 3 to teach future philosophers and his students a larger lesson about the dangers inherent in being a philosopher in the context of the political regime in which they live 4. so that he did not compromise his principles of virtue. there may be others or better explanations- not sure
Socrates didnt think he was guilty. The fact is that he didnt WANT to be convicted nor to be saved and that is the most weird thing of all. But before i continue please tell me for which thing do think he knew he was guilty??
@iSeenthatB4 you miss the whole point. he was guilty. his defense is not a defense at all- he did 'corrupt' the youth insofar as he got them to challenge the laws and customs of the city. And he didn't believe in the God's of the City. The jury wasn't corrupt, they simply obeyed the law while some of the jurors followed passion- Socrates wants to be convicted- he could easily have defended himself by succumbing to the customs of the Athenian law court... begging, traditional defense speech etc..
@SurvivingTheHorizon yay finally someone to talk to about this. I would say it would be hard to call him guilty. The Jury was mad up of Athenian Soldiers not politicians. Thus the would any war loving man confined in a peace loving Socrates. That's like the average poor man calling Dick Chaney a hero of our times. But Socrates is an educator so how can you be guilty of making people think more on the life. You are right on something, he didnt do much in a defense.
@iSeenthatB4 Socrates was a soldier and a bit of a war hero. Education can be harmful. If I live in a Democracy and I teach people that Nazism is the best political regime- then I am clearly at odds with the democracy i live in. In the era of free speech we allow these contradictions to take place- but this was not always the case. There is a natural tension between a political regime and philosophy, properly conceived. Socrates students were associated with the 30 tyrants who ruled in...
@iSeenthatB4 404 BC Athens and were extremely tyrannical and oppressive. The regime lasted for a year before democracy overthrew them. This is the context in which this trial takes place. No doubt, Socrates' followers association with the 30 tyrants was what most scared the Athenians about Socrates.
@iSeenthatB4 Thinking about it a little more I think the point he is trying to make is that there is a disconnect between the laws (which proclaim to uphold justice) and justice properly conceived (embodied, by the life of Socrates). Just because he is guilty does not mean that his life does not represent the proper conception of justice- to be just may well mean, that you will come in conflict with the laws and customs of your society. But ya, sorry for going on, just really like this stuff.
the actor playing Socrates does well but I wish they would have found someone who actually looked poor and ugly like Socrates was. Socrates was often said to be one of the ugliest men in Athens, and his poverty wouldn't have left him quite as "fluffy" as this actor. I understand an ugly main actor isnt necessarily a popular idea, but at least someone a bit more distinctive looking instead of just throwing an obnoxious amount of hair on him
Socrates! You might be smart but you can`t do maths...You said if 30 votes had went over to the other side then you would`ve been acquitted....Wrong!..it`s only 15 votes you dumb greasy haired Greek fucker
king solomon was the wisest man ever, his wisdom is well documented throught ancient history books, socrates on the other hand is the among the greatest if not the greatest ancient philosopher alongside plato, men like jesus, socrates, plato, gandi, and confucious are hard to come by..
Aristotle was around before the death of Socrate's? I ask because he, at least here in the play, which i take to be an direct extraction from Platos work the Apology, was mentioned by Socrates here (1:13: "a comdey by Aristotle"). I'm guessing that this was another Aristotle..perhaps the name was common in these days...
He is talking about the comedy by Aristophanes called "The Clouds" which depicted Socrates as a crazed corrupter of Athenian youth. The play was popular in Athens when Socrates was about 40 or so. His trial was about 30 years later.
He is talking about the comedy by Aristophanes called "The Clouds" which depicted Socrates as a crazed corrupter of Athenian youth. The play was popular in Athens when Socrates was about 40 or so. His trial took place about 30 years later.
He is talking about the comedy by Aristophanes called "The Clouds" which depicted Socrates as a crazed corrupter of Athenian youth. The play was popular in Athens when Socrates was about 40 or so. His trial took place about 30 years later.
I have to write a paper for Philosophy 102 on the Apology. I'm getting lost in the wordiness of it. Is there any other video that delves more into it - perhaps another movie or play version? (the Apology portion/sentencing) Thank you, Beky
This is an illustration of his dialectics - a dialogue, questions and answers, through which he shows that the assertions of his opponent lead to a contradiction, and the opponent himself is lead by the questions to pronounce this contradiction and in this way to refute himself.
Did y'all know that back then it was normal and expected that the older men would fuck the little boys in the city? I just found that out.
inmotion86 1 week ago
This is Victor Buono from the 60's television series Batman, He played the villain King Tut. He was awesome.
dmesuda 1 week ago
i want to know where this came from!
VOZZIFY 2 weeks ago
i want to find this...i cant...what is it???
gbp4gbp 1 month ago
PLEASE POST THE WHOLE PLAY
gbp4gbp 1 month ago
Does no one know what movie/tv special/extremely obscure film this is from? Really?
DiLovesBeauty 1 month ago
Is this part of a movie?
hentai3737 1 month ago
the one ignorant fool who disliked this...
eric204 2 months ago
Socrates is awesome
omgitsaghiles 2 months ago
Meletus is so annoying.
tbaby673 2 months ago
wait a sec is this the actor who played king tut on the adam west batman??
deadman00 3 months ago
How should one write a summary over this? Signed, One of Mrs. Montgomery's students. :)
comedycort 3 months ago
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comedycort 3 months ago
Terrific! Thanks. Please post the rest!
ginga189 3 months ago
is this a series?
Novas546 4 months ago
I've read this whole thing, but still don't understand how he lost, this seemed one sided to me.
darkAce100 5 months ago
they must have been REALLY board....
IceLordCryo 5 months ago
@IceLordCryo Board?
CaitlynRide 3 months ago
This is excellent! Thanks!
Chemgirl99 5 months ago
isnt there another part to this??
1992csl 5 months ago
Socrotes's game wasn't for self preservation in the courtroom (knowing he called upon a dead friend and a god as a witness, and said he should get free meals for his service), it was to unearth and understand the truth. He stayed true to principal as a philosopher and as an Athenian. Ancients believed that you aren't human when you live outside a city; and socrotese refused to leave and would rather be put to death.
CraftyMiscreant 5 months ago
Socrates wouldn't have done well in Sparta heh
b1gr1g 5 months ago
Socrates implies that one cannot break a law and keep the institution of law and order intact, this was introduced in his dialogue with crito. there he clarifies that he is submitting to the laws introduced by society, this is because y choosing to live in a society with laws, obligates you to abide by them, all of them, because it is an implied contract, and by not doing so you are an advocate for anarchy and a danger to the institution that is law and order. Now MLK had a third option....
harorules 5 months ago
@harorules to submission and anarchy, he showed taht you can weed out the unjust law by breaking it, but then submitting to the penalty thereafter. This is clearly pointed out in his letter from Birmingham jail.
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@harorules to submission and anarchy, he showed taht you can weed out the unjust law by breaking it, but then submitting to the penalty thereafter. This is clearly pointed out in his letter from Birmingham jail.
harorules 5 months ago
@swag2dangeeous Socrates versus Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.? Really? How are they even relatable?
b8sam6cash 5 months ago
Plato was probably the greatest ancient greek philosopher of literary merit, but he seems to have had a great deal of admiration for Socrates who was preserved in Plato's writings since Socrates himself wrote nothing at all. It is selflessly ironic that someone as brilliant as Plato should therefore be upstaged by one of his own characters who represented the greatest ancient greek philosopher of them all; if we are to believe Plato that is, and there is no reason why we shouldn't in my view.
bootheven 6 months ago
Although rather ugly, Socrates was brilliant.
riverlioness 7 months ago
Someone has to know what this is from?
mjvoce 8 months ago
I wonder if the story about Socrates is real or just a tool to manipulate society to be submissive and fear who question the government.
rodencirio 8 months ago
@rodencirio How? The whole point is Socrates didn't change his principles and chose to die rather than submit to anyone, how does that instill fear and submission to the government? It does the opposite.
ELYASELYAS 7 months ago
@ELYASELYAS Because the people around then see what happens to you if you don't change the principles, (that is, you die) it would seem natural that they would fear to do so themselves and would more likely submit to the the government.
It's understandable that a man like Socrates (old, no children) chose death rather than denying his ideals, but what about a person who has to care for his children? That kind of person will likely upon seeing something like this submit to the government.
TAndoljsek 1 month ago
@TAndoljsek Socrates had a wife as well as children.
GojiraKenshin 3 weeks ago
@TAndoljsek He had two children in fact.
imadude113 2 weeks ago
No way is the story of Socrates "just a tool to manipulate society..." I really doubt that what happened to Socrates truly happened exactly as it was written down; however, there's reason to believe it was similar. Yes, Plato was using the story to express his own philosophy (and probably the philosophy of Socrates as well), and because of that, parts of it are probably not true. But much of it must be true because Plato was writing for his contemporaries who would know if he was lying.
manmythlegend12 3 months ago
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Compare and contrast how and why Socrates and Dr.Martin Luther King Jr. operated as a "gadfly" in their society. Do you think that a "gadfly" is a necessary component to a healthy society? why or why not? Argue your answers with references to the readings, personal experiences and/or hypothetical scenarios.
swag2dangerous 10 months ago
Compare and contrast how and why Socrates and Dr.Martin Luther King Jr. operated as a "gadfly" in their society. Do you think that a "gadfly" is a necessary component to a healthy society? why or why not? Argue your answers with references to the readings, personal experiences and/or hypothetical scenarios.
swag2dangerous 10 months ago
@swag2dangerous I wouldn't equate Socrates and MLK no matter how great MLK was.
ELYASELYAS 7 months ago
Socrates: the original smartass.
MrNobody47710 10 months ago 2
I would really like to see all of this. I have to ask where did this clip come from? From what movie or show?
star221990 10 months ago
"He knows nothing but thinks he knows everything and I know that I know nothing. " I always think of this quote (or varient of it) that humans dont progress communally so much as they do individually for socrates to understand these things so many years ago when many people today are still as foolish as that politician. What gives me hope though is that there must then also be people like socrates in this "modern" world of ours.
XXGDUBSXX 11 months ago
What movie is this from? I wanna see it.
reynirorn 11 months ago
Why doesn't Socrates further explain corruption of the youth? Such as,If I corrupt the youth, then I make them wicked. Evil people harm those around them. No one intentionally does what is harmful to himself/herself
Hellzing123 1 year ago
@Hellzing123 I don't know if your referencing just this video as I am in the middle of watching it. However, in the actual translation of Plato's Apology(defense) that is in my Classics of Western Philosophy textbook he uses your exact defense if I remember correctly.
vtguy429 1 year ago
Does this film address the informal charges?
Hellzing123 1 year ago
Weird that Skaespeare didn't write a play on Socrates.
Zachdudeio2 1 year ago
Socrates knows he is guilty. Xenophon's account of Socrates defense speech tells us that he wanted to be convicted. The question is why? possible answers are 1 he didn't fear death 2 to become a martyr for philosophy 3 to teach future philosophers and his students a larger lesson about the dangers inherent in being a philosopher in the context of the political regime in which they live 4. so that he did not compromise his principles of virtue. there may be others or better explanations- not sure
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@SurvivingTheHorizon
Socrates didnt think he was guilty. The fact is that he didnt WANT to be convicted nor to be saved and that is the most weird thing of all. But before i continue please tell me for which thing do think he knew he was guilty??
tasospolis 1 year ago
@tasospolis both of meletus and anytus charges- corrupting the youth and impety toward the gods of the city.
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
thank you so much for posting this video. After reading the Apology, its nice to get a visual of what I was reading.
SpaceBandit666 1 year ago
Socrates shitted on him lovely, but sad not a enough to sway the corrupt jury, hence corrupt.
iSeenthatB4 1 year ago
@iSeenthatB4 you miss the whole point. he was guilty. his defense is not a defense at all- he did 'corrupt' the youth insofar as he got them to challenge the laws and customs of the city. And he didn't believe in the God's of the City. The jury wasn't corrupt, they simply obeyed the law while some of the jurors followed passion- Socrates wants to be convicted- he could easily have defended himself by succumbing to the customs of the Athenian law court... begging, traditional defense speech etc..
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@SurvivingTheHorizon yay finally someone to talk to about this. I would say it would be hard to call him guilty. The Jury was mad up of Athenian Soldiers not politicians. Thus the would any war loving man confined in a peace loving Socrates. That's like the average poor man calling Dick Chaney a hero of our times. But Socrates is an educator so how can you be guilty of making people think more on the life. You are right on something, he didnt do much in a defense.
iSeenthatB4 1 year ago
@iSeenthatB4 Socrates was a soldier and a bit of a war hero. Education can be harmful. If I live in a Democracy and I teach people that Nazism is the best political regime- then I am clearly at odds with the democracy i live in. In the era of free speech we allow these contradictions to take place- but this was not always the case. There is a natural tension between a political regime and philosophy, properly conceived. Socrates students were associated with the 30 tyrants who ruled in...
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@iSeenthatB4 404 BC Athens and were extremely tyrannical and oppressive. The regime lasted for a year before democracy overthrew them. This is the context in which this trial takes place. No doubt, Socrates' followers association with the 30 tyrants was what most scared the Athenians about Socrates.
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@iSeenthatB4 Thinking about it a little more I think the point he is trying to make is that there is a disconnect between the laws (which proclaim to uphold justice) and justice properly conceived (embodied, by the life of Socrates). Just because he is guilty does not mean that his life does not represent the proper conception of justice- to be just may well mean, that you will come in conflict with the laws and customs of your society. But ya, sorry for going on, just really like this stuff.
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
the actor playing Socrates does well but I wish they would have found someone who actually looked poor and ugly like Socrates was. Socrates was often said to be one of the ugliest men in Athens, and his poverty wouldn't have left him quite as "fluffy" as this actor. I understand an ugly main actor isnt necessarily a popular idea, but at least someone a bit more distinctive looking instead of just throwing an obnoxious amount of hair on him
Shiner1991 1 year ago
The vote count was :
Against 263
For 234
Socrates! You might be smart but you can`t do maths...You said if 30 votes had went over to the other side then you would`ve been acquitted....Wrong!..it`s only 15 votes you dumb greasy haired Greek fucker
rhetoricalparadox 1 year ago
@rhetoricalparadox this might have seemed clever when i was 16
nurbSoldier 1 year ago 3
It's King Tut.
HConstantine 1 year ago
where is the rest of it??
sahmoen 1 year ago
Goddamn! He's a beast
DemonicCollusion 1 year ago
@DemonicCollusion
He's Socrates. :D
Kinin4 1 year ago
Excellent dramatization.
Naturalist1979 1 year ago
Victor Buono - was also in an episode of Night Gallery ("Satisfaction Guaranteed")
srrecords 1 year ago
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srrecords 1 year ago
this is great. what is it from? there seems like there would be more to this.
cupanther56 1 year ago 16
@cupanther56 It is produced by Britannica Encyclopedia; its actually thirty minutes long.
gaelicsaint 1 day ago
AWESOMENESS!
AQRoyalty 1 year ago
king solomon was the wisest man ever, his wisdom is well documented throught ancient history books, socrates on the other hand is the among the greatest if not the greatest ancient philosopher alongside plato, men like jesus, socrates, plato, gandi, and confucious are hard to come by..
nabuchiznasar 1 year ago
LOVE socrates
VenusSatanas 1 year ago
Beautiful thank for posting
andrewzot 1 year ago
Aristotle was around before the death of Socrate's? I ask because he, at least here in the play, which i take to be an direct extraction from Platos work the Apology, was mentioned by Socrates here (1:13: "a comdey by Aristotle"). I'm guessing that this was another Aristotle..perhaps the name was common in these days...
philomypillow 1 year ago
@philomypillow
He is talking about the comedy by Aristophanes called "The Clouds" which depicted Socrates as a crazed corrupter of Athenian youth. The play was popular in Athens when Socrates was about 40 or so. His trial was about 30 years later.
sanyopoweraid1 1 year ago 13
@sanyopoweraid1 They used the play as evidence on his trial. Sad...
scramignon 1 year ago
@sanyopoweraid1 Thank you and very interesting. your quite the socratic scholar :)
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@philomypillow
He is talking about the comedy by Aristophanes called "The Clouds" which depicted Socrates as a crazed corrupter of Athenian youth. The play was popular in Athens when Socrates was about 40 or so. His trial took place about 30 years later.
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@philomypillow
He is talking about the comedy by Aristophanes called "The Clouds" which depicted Socrates as a crazed corrupter of Athenian youth. The play was popular in Athens when Socrates was about 40 or so. His trial took place about 30 years later.
sanyopoweraid1 1 year ago
@philomypillow He says the play is by ARISTOPHANES, not Aristotle...the play was called, "The Clouds"
yekdeli 4 months ago
No man is wiser than Socrates.
nikriazachii 1 year ago
What's the name of the movie or where could I find it please ? Thank you
n0th1ng2 1 year ago 2
great dramatization.
ssinharulez 1 year ago
This is Victor Buono
BorgMX5 1 year ago
Socrates is my jesus :)
Xero 1 year ago
I have to write a paper for Philosophy 102 on the Apology. I'm getting lost in the wordiness of it. Is there any other video that delves more into it - perhaps another movie or play version? (the Apology portion/sentencing) Thank you, Beky
djbex77 2 years ago
look up socrates apologia on google, and theres a copy of the apology in a little more comtemporary language.
hbknutjack 1 year ago
wonderful
claitontesch 2 years ago
Wonderful! Wise words by Socrates.
This is an illustration of his dialectics - a dialogue, questions and answers, through which he shows that the assertions of his opponent lead to a contradiction, and the opponent himself is lead by the questions to pronounce this contradiction and in this way to refute himself.
dewinthemorning 2 years ago
Brilliant!
2bsirius 2 years ago